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Good day to you. I'm Tom Busby, and we begin today's program with fresh reads on US economic growth that's for the final quarter of last year, and the Fed's preferred measure of consumer inflation for last month. For more on what it all means, we're joined by Stuart Paul Us economists with Bloomberg Economics. Well, Stuart, thank you for joining us. Did the economy continue to grow in the fourth quarter and what's behind that growth?
Well, we knew that the economy grew in the fourth quarter. Our previous estimates that we got from the Bureau of Economic Analysis showed two point three percent annualized pace of growth in the fourth quarter, mostly supported by consumer spending, which was pretty robust, strong, healthy spending through the holidays. We're likely to see the same two point three percent estimate in the final reading of that fourth quarter GDP number. If anything, risk might be skewed a little bit to
the upside. We do know that there was some adjustments that firms were making into imports. We know that some foreign countries were trying to get ahead of any sort of escalating trade tensions as the Trump administration was gearing up to come into office in the first quarter. So, if anything, maybe there's a little bit of risk that GDP will be revised up just to touch. But we do know that there was a healthy, robust pace of growth in the fourth quarter. Probably not going to see
the same degree of growth this year. We know that amid policy uncertainty, but I think that we did end twenty twenty four in a relatively strong place.
Well. To your point, consumer spending the big driver of all that, and there are indications though in this current first quarter, which is about to end, there has been a significant pullback though in consumer spending, unlike what we saw leading up to the holidays.
That's right, the first quarter is going to be especially choppy. In January sales, we're just dismal. Spending in January decline zero point two percent. A big part of that was a pullback in autos, and a big part of that was that there was a polar vortex in the lower forty eight states. When it's snowing in Houston, folks aren't going to be wanting to walk around an auto dealer's lot. We do expect to see quite a rebound in February. Again, a big part of that is a rebound in auto sales.
We're estimating that February personal spending growth will register zero point six percent. That's pretty strong, and that is the type of number that's going to justify the Fed's decision to hold rate steady when it met just last week. But I think that when we decompose what's driving the spending,
it's not all sunshine and rainbows. After January's polar vortex, the February data we're going to be so we think we're supported by spending on autos again, just a rebound on healthcare because of the rise in the number of flu cases, and a little bit of an increase in discretionary goods. But we also do know that people pulled back on their spending at foods services, in drinking places. They were dining out, which is one of the key measures of discretionary spending.
That was the biggest decrease right in bars and restaurant.
That's right in the retail sales report. So when we think about what we should expect from the personal spending report coming out this Friday, I think that the headline number for spending is going to look pretty solid zero point six percent growth, But some of the details, some of the composition under the surface is just going to illustrate this choppiness in the first quarter.
Well, let's talk about an even stickier subject related to that, and that's inflation. We have the PCE for February that's out this week. What are you expecting to see there.
We're expecting to see a very hot core number, core inflation of thirty five basis points during the month. That's going to push the year on year measure of core inflation up to nearly two point eight percent from a touch under two point seven. And what's a little bit troubling is that we did see a nice cool CPI measure. What could it be that's driving core PC the E
inflation higher. Well, if you track all the components that come from CPI and that come from producer prices the PPI and combine those to create the PCE measure, which is what the FED is really good at estimating before it even meets, we see that the composition of all the different spending categories are going to boost the Fed's preferred measure. You had hot financial services inflation, you had
hot food services inflation despite the pullback in spending. You had rising healthcare costs, possibly just a continuation of the annual resets that typically take place in January. And we saw a lot of goods inflation, typically core goods, particularly durable goods. Way on headline inflation over the past couple months. In February in particular, goods were boosting inflation, which is
something that's troubling, especially as tarot's start to hit. We only saw just the first little wave of tariff's in February taking effect. As we get reciprocal tariffs in April April second, as we've been told to expect.
We could expect right now anyway, at least for.
Now, that's right. As we get those reciprocal tariffs, we should expect a little bit more goods inflation. So it is the sort of thing that should be troubling for the Fed. And again we'll justify that decision to hold RAID steady just last week Q.
Four GDP a third and final reading on GDP. That's how this Thursday, February's PCE out on Friday our thanks to Stuart Paul, us economists with Bloomberg Economics. Well, we turn now to housing, and spring has sprung, the busiest time of the year for the US housing market. Bud
boy has it struggled. Skyrocketing home prices, elevated mortgage rates, a dearth of homes on the market despite pent up demand, and now a new worry President Trump's tariffs against Canada, Mexico, and China, and for more on how those policies could impact housing and home building. We welcome Drew reading Bloomberg Intelligence US home building analysts. Drew, thank you for being here.
I tell you, the timing could not be worse for builders, contractors, buyers, people that want to replace their back deck or renovate their kitchen. I mean, could it be even worse for them right now?
Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of factors conspiring against the home building industry. You know, whether it's high home prices as you mentioned, elevated rates, declining consumer confidence, potential tariffs, immigration policy. So there's a lot of things that builders and investors in the space are having to digest right now. So definitely a difficult period.
And these tariffs, these numbers are staggering. Twenty five percent on certain imports from Mexico and Canada that went into effect early March, and that includes softwood lumber and the US gets what like forty percent of its lumber from Canada. Also the appliances in Mexico and China that come in twenty percent tariffs there drywall out of you know, the gypsum and drywall out of Mexico, and we're expecting even more tariffs on April second. As of today anyway.
Right, So for just for a little bit of context, the US imports about thirteen billion dollars worth of goods used in residential construction. So that's about seven percent of all goods used in the industry coming from other countries. Within that, you have about forty five percent coming from China, Mexico, and Canada, which is you know, have kind of been at the forefront of all this tariff talk. China is about thirty percent of imports, Mexico about ten in Canada
almost ten percent. And you're right, it's it's there's products you mentioned, it's you know, appliance isn't lighting from China, it's drywall from Mexico. And I think you know, the real biggie, as you mentioned, is lumber from Canada. That accounts for about seventy percent of all US lumber imports, and it's about thirty percent of the lumber used in
US construction. So certainly an important thing to watch. Now, keep in mind we're already paying a fourteen and a half percent tariff on imports of Canadian lumber, so you know, when these go into effect in April will be at forty percent, So certainly a real threat to the builders.
Wow, big builders of Last week, the National Association of Home Builders said tariffs on lumber, appliances, steel aluminum piping could add as much as ten thousand dollars. That's just to the cost of building a home. I mean, what does that mean to a buyer?
Yeah, it's a great question. So typically builders are able to pass their costs onto the consumers.
You know.
The concern I guess from an investor perspective would be, you know, home shoppers have become increasingly sensitive to costs, whether it's financing costs or you know, the actual cost of a home. So you know, I'm not sure in this environment how much they're going to be able to absorb. So I think you're going to see builders take some of that on the margin side. So I think it's going to be a little bit on the builder side as well as consumers having to pay a higher price for a new product.
And it's not just the builders. Of course, you want to replace your deck or your kitchen cabinets, I mean you are going to pay more aren't you.
Yeah, we're going to see it across the industry. So you're going to see it in the repair and remodeling space, which is dealing with its own issues with As consumers continue to battle with the cumutive impact of inflation over the last couple of years, you know, people not wanting to go out and make big purchasing decisions. So we're seeing pullback indiscretionary categories, and of course, you know, lumbers
a big component of that. You know, the appliance market has also struggled over the last couple of years, so you know, on appliances that are imported from China and other countries, you're starting going to see higher prices there.
Now, we did get some encouraging data last week on housing. New home construction sharply higher in February. But is that more because of the all that wicked winter weather in January? I mean, what's behind that push on construction?
Yeah, I think you're right there. I think a lot of is some payback from some of the weather disruption we've seen. Within that same report, our preferred measure of activity is really building permits. It's a much less volatile indicator, and it's a better leading indicator of production, and they were actually down eleven percent compared to last year, and that jives with the data we saw in builders sentiment. You're definitely seeing a more cautious approach to the market.
What they're doing is matching starts with demand, and with the market slowing, you're seeing a corresponding pullback in new production. The other important piece is the fact that the industry was so aggressive in ramping up speccom production to fill the void left by resales that you know, there's a lot of inventory out there that's already under construction, so there's a lot less incentive for builders to be aggressive
until they start to work through that inventory. And to do that, we think they're going to have to continue to lean on incentives, particularly given the increase as you allude to before, with the increased competition that we're seeing in the resale market in key markets in Florida and Texas.
Yeah, does that mean maybe there's too many houses out there, too many new houses, or maybe not the right kinds of houses. People are looking for more affordable houses instead of you know, five bedrooms four bats.
Yeah. I certainly think when you talk about a lack of for sale inventory over the last couple of years, it's really for more affordably priced products. Now it's an area where the builders have been shifting to over the last couple of years. They've done that through smaller square footage floor plans, are less amenotized home so they realized that's where the gap in the market is. But now, you know, when you start to pile on additional calls, it gets harder and harder for them, you know, to
make that product work. But by and large, if you look at the inventory picture, I mean, over the last couple of years, the lack of resale supply has really been what's driven demand into the new home market. It's been certainly been a key factor.
Well, we get more housing data out this week, new home sales for February coming out on Tuesday. Our thanks to Drew Redding Bloomberg Intelligence US home building analysts. Coming up on Bloomberg day Break weekend to look ahead to UK Chancellor Rachel reeves hotly anticipated spring statement. I'm Tom Busby and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Day Break weekend, our global look ahead at the top stories for investors in the coming week. I'm Tom Busby in New York.
Up later, our program will look ahead to earnings from Chinese ev maker byd But first UK Chancellor Rachel Reeves presenting her hotly anticipated spring statement this week. She faces contentious a contentious environment, including recently slash growth figures and expensive promises on defense. Now there's also a question of silencing critics, some of whom may be from within her own party. For more, let's go to London and bring in Bloomberg Daybreak Europe anchor Caroline hepgar.
Tom On Wednesday, the twenty sixth of March, the Chancellor is expected to announce billions of pounds of spending cuts to ensure that she meets her key fiscal rule, which requires day to day government spending to be covered by tax receipts. Her task is not an easy one. Rachel Reeves left herself an historically slim nine point nine billion pound margin against that time target at her budget in October, a buffer that has since been eroded by higher government
borrowing costs and lower growth forecasts. Net debt for Britain stood at ninety five point three percent of GDP in January. That is close to levels last scene in the early nineteen sixties. The deficit in the first ten months of the year was one hundred and eighteen billion pounds, and that is nearly thirteen billion more than the Office for Budget Responsibility forecasts only in October. But Reeves is standing strong.
She told Bloomberg that she is committed to bringing down government borrowing despite the obstacles.
We've already made some substantial changes on regulation. Last week the Prime Minister announced that we're going to be getting rid of NHS England, the biggest quango in the world. We announced last week getting rid of the Payment Systems Regulator and just today the merger of the Community Interest Companies Regulator into Company's House. So you can see that this government are determined to make it easier for businesses to do business in the UK, to get building and
to get on with things. Over Burdensome regulation, overlapping regulation has held back Britain for too long and we're determined to turn that around.
Well, what's the metric for success here, how soon and how much do you expect this to boost GDP?
Well, we've made a commitment to reduce the regulatory burden, the administrative burden by twenty five percent during the course of this parliament. That's across all regulators, whether it is in the environment or financial services, right across the economy, and that is to meet our ambition to grow the economy, to make working people better off, and to make our country and our economy more competitive. So next week the new growth forecast will be published by the Office of
Budget Responsibility. But this is just one of a range of measures, along with the Planning an Infrastructure Bill that was published last week, the Pensions Bill which is coming soon to turn around the lackluster growth performance that has affected the UK for far too long.
Well, the OCD published its forecast today has cut its growth forecast for this year and next. Do you accept responsibility for that or is it all the fault of Donald Trump and the Conservatives.
Well, if you look at what the OECD have done today, they have downgraded most major economies growth forecasts. The UK is not immune from those global headwinds. But if you look at the forecast for next year for the UK, with forecast to be the second fastest growing economy in the G seven, that is up from the third fast is the last time they published their forecasts. But if you're asking am I happy with those numbers, of course not.
I want to see the UK economy create more jobs, create more prosperity, to lift the living standards of working people, and that's what this regulatory drive is all about, unlocking growth, making it easier to do business in Britain.
What I'm asking is, do you accept any responsibility for the downgrade? Is it anything to do with your gloomy messaging or your tax risers in the October budget.
Well, of course there are costs from any measures on tax, but there are also costs of irresponsibility. And if in the budget last year I hadn't have dealt with a twenty two billion pound black hole that I'd inherited from the Conservatives, if I hadn't put our public finances on a firm footing, then we wouldn't have been able to increase defense spending in the way that we did just a couple of weeks ago, and we wouldn't be able
to weather the global economic headwinds. So we made the right decisions in that budget to return stability to the economy. And since the general election, of course, there's been three cuts in interest rates, only possible because we've returned stability to the economy.
But do you regret not giving yourself more breathing space against your fiscal rules at the time of the October prodject.
Well, in October we set the fiscal rules for this Parliament that we would balance day to day spending with tax receipts and we would get decked down as a share of GDP. But significantly we changed the way that we measured investments. So for the first time ever we
count the benefits of investment, not just the costs. And because of that we were able to invest in an additional one hundred billion pounds during the course of this parliament in capital projects, transport, digital energy and of course a housing that's pro business, that's pro growth and it's pro working people.
That was Chancellor Rachel Reeves speaking two Bluebags Lizzie Burden ahead of her big day in the Commons. This is an event the government, though, has tried to play down, even as Work and Pension Secretary Liz Kendall announced the plan to save five billion pounds a year by twenty thirty with cuts to welfare benefits. So what will we learn from the Chancellor's spring statement? Can Rachel Reeves keep markets on side and also fend off her political opponents.
I ask putting bogs UK government reporter Joe mays, how difficult the backdrop is for Reeves given the UK economy shrank in January and Britain has many long standing and now some new expenses.
Yes, the backdob is a stagnating economy. It's barely grown since Labor took power last year. And indeed the budget that rich Reeves had in October is seen to have not made things much better. Indeed, the increase in the Nation Insurance payroll tax has led to a decrease in business confidence. It's been a hit to hiring as well. And rich Reeves has tried to get growth going with these initiatives announced such as Heather expansion, developing the Oxford
Cambridge art but these will take time. So in the immediate term there's that there have been headwinds to growth and so yeah, the backdrop is difficult for her, and it's within that very tight space of low growth that she's having to manage these public finances. And now, as we'll talk about, she has to find spending cuts, make sure she keeps hitting her main fiscal rule and that will be a big political difficulty for her.
Yeah, spending cuts rather than tax increases. Where do we think the cuts are going to come from?
Well, what we expect Richarl Reeves to announce on March twenty sixth is a reduction in the overall spending envelope, so the overall amount the government's going to spend on public services through the end of the parliament. It's currently it's set to grow at one point three percent on average until twenty thirty and economists thinks she could hit it down to one one percent, but she won't crucially
have to spell out where those cuts will fall. That's something that will be revealed at the Spending Review in June, which is where each government department is allocated its budget. So yeah, that can be that'll come later. But we do know that welfare is already earmarked for five billion pounds in savings. Governments already announced that. Well off, the waiting scene has a where the rest of the cuts do for?
Okay, will we get more details on that then? Do you think potentially on Wednesday, given the pressure that Rachel Reeves will be under, how much does Reeves need to gain in terms of savings in order also to keep to her pledge of sticking to her fiscal rules.
So we think that she might announce up to ten billion pounds of production in public spending in addition to the welfare savings that have been announced, and that would help her get back to a fiscal buffer of about ten to fifteen billion pounds against her fiscal rule. Because that's another question here, you know, what headroom does she build back against that rule. I mean, we saw that headroom eroded in recent months because of the weaker growth
forecasts because of higher borrowing costs. I think Rachel reads it alive to the problems that can happen when you don't have much headroom to absorb these kind of fiscal shocks. So you expect to go back to ten fifteen billion funded through that ten billion pound production in public spending. I think that's where the explanitions are.
In terms of that cut to welfare. That has been a hugely significant that announcement, and a lot of backlash around that sort of cut to welfare is especially from within the Chances Own party. That's a very difficult issue.
Yes, we've already seen signs of what could be quite a PUNCHI rebellion here on the labor backbenches. I think that the concern is that the welfare cuts that were anounced might not necessarily achieve what the government says they want them to achieve. The government says that too many people are claiming benefits and it creates a disincentive to work. But the particular benefit they are targeting and reducing the
accessibility of is really unclear. Why reducing the availability of that benefit, which is prominally taken by people who are disabled and have to meet various quite strict criteria to receive the benefit, Why reducing access to that would necessarily lead to a particular increase in access to work. And at the same time, the government is increasing above inflation the Universal Credit benefit for everyone else, so that's increasing an incentive to stay on that benefit, which would perhaps
reduce the likely that people go into work. So yeah, it's a confused package in that sense. I think lots of labor and PE's are worried about it.
I say that the problems with the UK economy and for the government's violences are familiar, but actually the defense spending is something quite new. This idea that we must ramp up a defense spending. How do you think that labor is addressing that issue now and thinking about it fiscally, I mean it's something of a massively long term need and desire.
Yes. So the increase in spending from two point three percent of GDP to two point five percent of GDP by twenty twenty seven is funded by moving money across from the foreign aid budget, and that obviously has caused some upset in the labor ranks, but it does give the government a kind of very credible and definite way of funding that uptick. And then they have the line that will increase a three percent over the course of
the next decade. But that line quite conveniently parks the question in the next parliament, so the government can say I'll get to thirty percent, but won't actually have to say how really until after the next election, which is kind of in political terms, a very long way away. So yes, they have a pretty immediate, plausible uplift. But then Rachel Reeves does know that funding pressure is going to be significant, sustained and high, so yeah, it does add pressure to the public finances.
In terms of the other sort of part of this story, which is the sluggish economic growth that Britain has seen and the fact that the economy contracted in January, the chance has talked about global uncertainty. We know that there has been an increase in global uncertainty in terms of the tariff risks and so much more. When we heard from the Chancellor, she pointed to worldwide volatility as a contributing factor to the country's recent obl growth downgrade. Is
that a fair assessment? How much is global uncertainty a factor for Britain?
I think that it is true that across the peace. You know, governments around the world have seeing boring costs increase. We have seen global growth forecasts hit by the trade engiins, tariff wars being instigated by the United States and stad Trump was lected. So all of that it is true and fair. I think they're just a UK element in that there's a vulnerability that we have given the significant debt stock that we have, and that makes us even more kind of susceptible and at risk when it comes
to boring costs increasing. And then and there is that also domestic element of the impact of the budget did have in hitting business confidence and making conditions to operate in the UK at hard. So you have to combine the two things.
That was Bloomberg's UK government reported Joe Mays My thanks to him for joining me. So all the country's first female chancellor managed to balance the books amidst stormy Global Seas will have full coverage of the spring statement. Here for you on Bloomberg. I'm Caroline Hepek. You can catch us every weekday morning for bluemberg Daybreak you at beginning at six am in London. That's one am or Wall Street. Tom.
Thank you Caroline, And coming up on Bloomberg day Break weekend, we'll look ahead to earnings from Chinese ev giant BYD. I'm Tom Buzzbeak and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg day Break Weekend, our global look ahead of the top stories for investors in the coming week. I'm Tom Busby in New York. Earnings this week from BYD. That's the Chinese evy giant that's battling Tesla to be that nation's top selling automaker. Let's get to Daybreak Asia podcast host Doug Prisner for a preview Tom.
Last year, BYD nearly took over Tesla as the world's largest maker of electric vehicles and so far this year, shears and BYD are up more than fifty five percent. For a closer look at the story on BYD, I'm joined by Danny Lee. He is Bloomberg Asia Transport reporter. Danny joins us from our studios in Hong Kong. Danny, it's always a pleasure. Thanks for taking time to chat with us about this story. What is your sense of what we may hear from BYD in the coming week?
Well, he from b YD over the past twelve months and twenty twenty four, the record number of sales it has delivered in terms of passenger electric vehicles and hybrid vehicles four point two five million of them in the past year. That will feed into record amount of earnings, and in particular it's going to be quite a landmark the fact that for the first time it will be able to deliver we expect one hundred billion US dollars worth of sales and that's for the first time ever.
And also it's a contrast to one of its near rivals, Tesla, which it will overtake if they can deliver on expectations that investors and the market is looking for, and by quite some margin. So it's yet another metric that we see potentially BYD overtaking Tesla on in a growing list of numbers that we are closely watching for.
So I have to ask you about this new charging system that BYD recently. Do you think it's going to show up in the outlook? Will be WYD say that essentially this new technology really will pave the way for a jump in earnings growth.
Well.
BYD has already flagged it expects to sell five to six million units this year of evs and hybrids, and I think when you think about the numbers that it has already guided towards, it already knows over a very long lead time what products and innovations and developments will be coming out over twenty twenty five, and we've already
had some of those developments emerge already. For example, we've had big details on its autonomous driving strategy, driver assist vehicles, things that putting in much more tech into its vehicle at no extra cost, which will really grab the attention of drivers who are weighing up how to, particularly in China, how to find more value for the cars that they
are going to buy, particularly in electric vehicles. And so with the announcement last week that they will install or have and create fast charging ultra fast charging vehicles that
can charge four hundred kilometers in five minutes. That in itself is way better than what other competitors Tesla, for example, Mercedes Benz is putting out, and so it has set a high benchmark for other competitors to try and chase down, not just outside of China, but even in China where there is a much more narrow sense of competition given the advancements in in the EV space that there has been, and so therefore the kinds of developments that bid has
already got in train, This will already feed into the expectations and also the pressure for them to deliver five to six million units this year, which is going to be around one potentially two million more. So every year they're having to pull out for my act trick. So this is always going to be a challenge for them, and for now this is them delivering on that promise.
So in terms of this new charging system Danny, is this something that BYD developed on its own. Is it proprietary or has the company partnered with a battery manufacturer to arrive at this level of speed and sophistication.
Now, this is very much BYD pursuing its own in house development with its frankly army of R and D technicians, developers, researchers, over one hundred thousand of them, very much in China working on these kind of innovations and breakthroughs day and night. And so they know they have the resources, they have the firepower to do all of this, and so it's important to understand for a global audience just how many people BYD employees. We are getting close, if not already
at a million employees, predominantly in China. And they have been so aggressive in their push to higher not just on the R and D side, but clearly on their manufacturing side, and so you know, they have really rapidly expanded its workerforce BACE, and so this all feeds into them trying to push out very quickly new innovations, new developments, and so this latest push with ultra fast charging is
a big step forward to them. However, one of the fascinating things about last week's announcement was, you know, we were anticipating and expecting developments in this space like ultra fast charging, more durable batteries, but the one kind of
phrase that was not mentioned in last week's announcement. In last week's event was Blade two refers to type of battery product that BID initially produced in twenty twenty called Blade, which changed the game for them in many ways to really get them to where they are today in terms of selling millions of vehicles, and that Blade, which is lithium ion phosphate battery, really durable, very low cost to make. We were expecting an upgrade on that product this year
and it hasn't been announced yet. And so whilst we all thought that this fast charging was related to that, technically yes and no, but it does appear that this Blade too battery upgrade is still yet to come. So in terms of other innovations in twenty twenty five, this is another one to watch.
So away from the kind of the technological advancements, I'm wondering about the extent to which BYD has kind of benefited from maybe missteps on the part of Tesla. There really hasn't been anything in terms of a material redesign that any of the Tesla vehicles have had recently. But at the same time BYD has been constantly refining and redesigning its cars is that one of the other things that has kind of contributed to the enthusiasm around BYD.
There is always a criticism of Tesla that its lineup is very thin, it's very stale, the fact that there's
no wholesale upgrades of its mass market product. And when you look at Tesla as it's rolled out more narrowly produced products such as a cyber truck, which is not being sold around the world either, and now it's pushing its focus into robotaxis autonomous style driving, which is yes, very similar to what the Chinese EV producers such as BID are focusing on, but they're not necessarily pushing into a severe where they are really going to be over
aligned on effectively what we call so called autonomous driving to the ultimate extremes that someone like Tesla is pushing to.
But then the same criticism could be leveled at other foreign automakers when we look at someone like a Ford or a GM who have lagged behind significantly on such a strategy as they have this huge gasoline lineup of cars, and you know, it's really hard for those legacy automakers to try and transition as we have seen, as we've seen with targets on for twenty thirty twenty thirty five being pushed back in terms of investing in a strategy of evs which is very costly, and where the Chinese
EV brands and automakers have had bigger bets and more bold bets and so far at least in the world's biggest auto market of China is paying off handsomely, And which is why we're seeing this leadership, this makeup of the auto domination kind of shift a little bit when you look at the numbers and the way in which foreign automakers are seeing sales get pinched, and the likes
of BYD, who are very much high up there. You know, the BDY was so close to overtaking Ford Motors in terms of annual sales in the past year, just fell short. And when you look at the twenty twenty five targets, if they can even reach the top end, that will take them beyond potentially General motors.
So what is BYD doing to expand markets outside of China right now? And I think I think we have to talk a little bit about the tariff story because that seems to be a threat to further expansion, does it not?
Well?
The tariffs is a fascinating component, and let me answer it in two ways. So tariffs obviously being put on in markets such as Europe where BYD is really being aggressive in that's part of a hindrance. And one of the fascinating conversations with automakers generally in China is how
do they approach such an imposition of tariffs. They are actually generally swallowing the cost of these extra tariffs on behalf of the consumer because they know what it means to try and gain entry into a market and build a reputation and build sales, you know, And for someone like be D, they have found it tough in Europe because they're starting on basically zero to a low base, but they are making gains in their steadily increasing sales,
clearly nowhere near enough for the investment they have put in across Europe. But then outside of Europe a mature auto market in the emerging market space, BYD in particular and generally like most Chinese automakers have been aggressive where there are no tariffs, where they have been warmly welcomed, and they are selling thousands and thousands of cars every month, and that is to a testament to see how well
they have gone up in the rankings. But BYD, who are leading in electric vehicle sales and the number of countries, whether it be a Thailand or Brazil, they are delivering and squeezing on the existing competitors, not just in the EV space, but particularly in the traditional gasoline and the overall sales space. So there are lots of games to
be made. And BYD, who has got bigger targets to sell overseas, has been able to deliver so far this year, doubling the number of sales overseas a month or month, and so that is a sign of just how well they're doing and they're not going to be slowing down. We talk about or we see ships that BYD has
bought several of them. We had one or two come online last year and now we are coming up to at least five ships now, so they will have their own dedicated fleet of ships to export, particularly more and more cars around the world, on top of localizing production, which will see the benefits of not just in Thailand where they have localized productions, soon in Brazil in the coming year or so, and also in Hungary in Europe,
so there's lots of excitement to come. But when we look at the developments, as you said, of targets of pushing into markets, clearly when they localize production, the risk of tariff's lessons, even if they're not in the one of the world's because the auto markets such as such as the United States.
Danny, thank you so much for joining us and helping us understand more about what's happening with BYD these days as we look ahead to the company's earnings report in the week ahead. Danny Lee. There, he is Bloomberg Asia Transport reporter, joining from our studios in Hong Kong. I'm deug Christner. You can catch us weekdays here for the Daybreak Asia podcast. It's available wherever you get your podcast. Tom.
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