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Skipping US Debt Drama And Pride at Work

Jun 01, 202324 min
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Your morning briefing, the business news you need in just 15 minutes.
On today's podcast:

(1) US House of Representatives avoids theatrics and passes the debt limit bill.

(2) Fed officials call not for a pause, but for a skip on the next interest rate hike despite a surge in job openings.

(3) The former Bank of England rate setter Michael Saunders tells us the worst is yet to come for the UK economy.

(4) As Pride month begins, we speak to City workers about navigating their LGBT+ identities in the office. 

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Speaker 1

This is Bloomberg Daybreak here for this Thursday, the first of June in London. Coming up today to spend your disbelief.

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US House of Representatives avoids theatrics and passes the deathlimit bill, a.

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Tough job bed officials call for a policy skip after job opening search.

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This is going to hurt UK executives and a former Bank of England rate setter tell us the worst is yet to come.

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Cash for ash and taxing times for UK politics. Those are the stories we're looking at in today's papers.

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And I'm Leanne Gerrins plus Pride in the office. We speak to city workers about navigating their LGBT plus identities.

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That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business news you need to start your day in just one fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business App and everywhere you get your podcasts.

Speaker 2

Good morning.

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I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Caroline Hecker. Here are the stories that we're following today.

Speaker 2

The US House of Representatives has passed by partisan legislation to suspend its debthlimit until twenty twenty five. The agreement won the backing of two thirds of House Republicans an important show of confidence in Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Tonight we all made history because this is the biggest cut and savings this Congress has ever voted for. The bill now goes from McCarthy's House to the Democrat controlled Senate, where

its passage is near certain. Although it will create some tough spending changes for some government services, Morgan Stanley economists to estimate the entire package will have a quote negligible impact on the overall US economy.

Speaker 1

Now the fashionable new word among Fed policymakers is not pause, but skip. Federal Reserve Governor Philip Jefferson says that it would allow better analysis of the economy.

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A decision to hold our policy rate constant at a coming meeting should not be interpreted to mean that we have reached the peak rate for this cycle. Indeed, skipping a rate hike at a coming meeting would allow the committee to see more data before making decisions about the extent of additional policy.

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Firming the data Jeffson once is still spooling in. Though US job vacancies unexpectedly surged in April to the highest level in three months, the numbers set up June's rate meeting to be a debate between inflation hawks and officials worried about financial strain.

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The former Bank of England policymaker Michael Saunders says the UK economy still hasn't whether the worst of the storm now. A senior advisor at Oxford Economics, he told us fixed rate mortgages have slowed down some of the pain of interest rate hikes.

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This is going to be a period in which inflation will still be quite high and so real wages will be falling. The job plusrate is likely to be going up. We haven't yet felt much of the effect of the big rises and rates. That pain will come through, and it'll come through in the next few quarters.

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And you can hear that full interview with Michael Sandras on the Bloomberg UK Politics podcast.

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Well, Saunderson isn't the only one who fears the worst is yet to come. British business confidence stabilized at quote just below neutral in May, with the executives fearful that the shocks hitting the economy are far from over. Bloomberg's U and Parts reports.

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Top company bosses are not convinced that the worst is over yet for the economy, After five months of increasing optimism, a key gauge of sentiment from the Institute of Directors edged down one point to a reading of minus six that puts confidence levels last felt before Russia's invasion of Ukraine last year. The findings published today well feel concerns that inflation is weighing on momentum. Firms say they remain concerned about labour sources, and only a third of bosses

believe that inflation has peaked. In London, i'm une pots Bloomberg Day Break.

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Europe, around fifty credit Swiss bankers are suing Switzerland's financial regulator for rendering their bonuses worthless. A Swiss federal court spokesman says they're suing over the right down of so called contingent capital awards. The bonuses were based on eighty one bonds which were wiped out in the emergency rescue of credit Sweese. Those are some of our top stories this morning.

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Okay, so yesterday, remember we brought you the interview with JP Morgan's a Jamie Diamond. Well, there's been a follow up to that. He tantalizingly sort of talked about maybe serving his country and so of course there is this idea of would he go into politics. Bill Ackman says that actually Jamie Diamond should run for US president, and not in the distant future, but in the twenty twenty four cycle. Thought that was quite interesting. Apparently it was all over.

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Tweet with friends like these. Yes, who needs bankers? Right, Well, that's one of the stories that we're watching. It's also, of course the first two June, so it's the start of Pride Month, months traditionally to celebrate LBTQ plus identities.

And actually we have a fascinating conversation coming up a little bit later with four workers from across the city and financial industries talking about how they navigate their identities at work, the importance of things like role models, and also what they want to hear from companies during Pride Month. So that's coming up a little bit later on.

Speaker 1

Yeah, absolutely looking forward to listening to that reporting. Right, and let's unpack then the story around the US debt ceiling, which did pass the House of Representatives by three hundred and fourteen to one hundred and seventeen. Bloomberg's John Harney joins us now from Washington for the latest. John, thank you so much for staying up late for us, So a big relief then for Joe Biden and Kevin McCarthy. Does that mean that the crisis is averted now?

Speaker 8

Well, it's maybe not a big relief, it's some relief. This still has to go before the upper house, the Senate, And while there seems to be a desire to get this thing over with, to vote on it relatively quickly, remember the deadline or the default deadline. It could come as early as Monday. It's not. It's not completely assured. So the relief will come when it goes to President Biden's desk and he signs this measure.

Speaker 2

Does this help Joe Biden in his re election campaign? The fact that he's managed to get a bipartisan deal and get it passed at least, as you say, just at the House for now, but to get it passed through the Republican control House.

Speaker 8

Well, you know, it depends how you know, what happens to the economy this will mean, although you know, some analysts are saying that it won't have a huge effect overall, it could well mean some cutbacks and less money to spend if a recession materializes. You know, also, it may also weigh in what the Federal Reserve does. Uh? It does? It does show uh. He you know, he did demonstrate that he once again was willing to forge a deal

with the other, with the UH opposition party, the Republican Party. However, he did it after saying he would not negotiate whatsoever on a on a debt ceiling bill. So it remains to be seen how all this plays out for both President Biden and and the Republicans.

Speaker 1

Well, do you think it does weaken the Republicans at all?

Speaker 8

It Well, Joe Kevin McCarthy Beaker McCarthy spoke tonight and and presented it as a great victory. Yeah, he did as I as I just said, get President Biden to negotiate, and he got the He got the bill passed in his in his chamber and got got the billing or got a bill passed and forced buying to the table, and then got this measure passed after weeks of negotiations. However, it got more Democratic votes than Republican votes, paradoxically, and and seventy one of his own people, his own members

of his own party, voted against it. Also on the horizon, of course, is the next election and both former President Trump and his chief rival Ron DeSantis are in agreement that they didn't like this deal. But we'll have to see again again. We'll have to see what happens in the near future and how how voters respond to it, how the donors respond to it, and how the conservative commentariat what they think about it.

Speaker 2

This is a bipartisan agreement. It does set the outlines for how much the US government can spend until just after the next election. Are there con acquienances for where policymaking goes from here given the events of recent days.

Speaker 8

Well, certainly, I mean the the federal government will have less to spend the this Uh, this deal took away from the Internal Revenue Service, the tax uh tax Department of the U. S. Treasury.

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Uh.

Speaker 8

There was there was they won't have the money, some of the at least some of the money.

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Uh.

Speaker 8

They wanted to have to conduct audits of wealthy people who might be of appording taxes that would have brought money. So so so Democrats said, uh, created more revenue it Uh, you know it. There's there's like and and I guess the question is how much you know, just how much energy is there left to do a lot more. I mean, this was this, this required this, This was the big

focus of attention in Washington for months now. Really, and I guess you have to wonder how much how much verb do they have to pursue anything else either either party?

Speaker 1

Yeah, absolutely, John, I feel like we're asking you the questions, but you should be telling us really in your view and your experience, what should we take away just very briefly from this whole episode so far.

Speaker 8

Well, it shows well, it shows two things. It shows just how divided the United States is and its government is, and how it is how difficult it is to reach consensus, to reach agreement, and you know, and and there's there

are divisions within the parties. I mean I didn't I didn't quite get into this, but there were there were There was a lot of grumbling in the Republican Party that Kevin McCarthy got a bad you know words, a bad deal and they were to even talk of replacing him a speaker he only got he only got it in January. At the same time, an agreement was made the parties. Did you know, as I said, Democrats more Democrats voted for this field of Republicans. McCarthy got two

thirds of his caucus two to say yes. To get to yes. He and Biden ultimately agreed. So I guess what we can take away from it is something can be done.

Speaker 2

Okay, John Harney in Washington. As always, we appreciate your time and analysis on this story. Now today mark's the start of Pride months dedicated to celebrating LGBT plus communities, and to mark this, we brought together four people who were in the early stages of their careers in finance, law and in engineering. It's a fascinating conversation about how they navigate their identity at work, but also how important policies around diversity and inclusion can be to them. Take a lesson.

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My name's Klobe Walley. My pronouns are dai she and I'm a data engineer at BP.

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My name is orn Devlin. My pronouns are he him and I work within City Global Sourcing Staffing Office.

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I'm Jackie Roaldeger. I'm a litigation lawyer at Hogan Level's International, LLP. My pronouns are sheet and her.

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My name is Harry Randall. My pronouns are hear him. I'm an associate in the UK Investment Bank at Jeffrey's International Limited.

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I have previously worked in organizations where I wouldn't have been comfortable in being out in the workplace, and I suppose that that was a factor whenever I was looking for new roles and new opportunities. I went into the recruitment process with insteady knowing where they stood on social issues, and that was a key aspect of where I wanted to work next.

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When I first entered the legal industry, I was so deep in the closet that I could have been mistaken for Aslan from the Lion the Witch in the wallsrobe complete with the hat. My Monday morning routine typically consisted of rehearsing lines on the tube to the much dreaded question what did you do at the weekend? Because I was terrified that if I revealed too much, I would out myself.

Speaker 10

There's this really interesting statistic, actually research on twenty eight team that states that over forty percent of young people, that's people ages eighteen to twenty five go back in the closet and they start their first job. And that

was definitely my initial experience. As soon as I realized that it was a safe space, and as soon as I saw other people in the industry, in the office at work being out and that being okay, I immediately reverted to how I had always been very vocal, very active in the community.

Speaker 12

Moving into the workplace was the first time that I was fully out as a gay man, and I think, particularly at university, the decision to actually come out was something that was taken out of my control because words travel quick, So I was very keen to make sure that when I moved into the workplace, I was in control of that, and I chose on what terms I

told people. I picked the right conversations at the right time, because you will never stop coming out and making sure that you feel comfortable doing that around so people is driven by role models who have done that in the past. You can see from their experience that actually everything turns out quite a right.

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When I started as a trainee lister at Clifford Chance, I had the privilege of meeting more senior lesbian lawyers, and you know, they were fine. They'd been at the firm throughout their whole career, and that gave me a lot of confidence, and I became the firm's LGBTQ app.

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But when I left.

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Clifford chance to go to the US firm. I didn't see any role models, and so I went back in the closet and it was quite difficult because it's very It is a distraction being in a closet. You're wasting a lot of energy thinking about am I going to be found out? You know, it's quite CAZy and your answers. You can't really bond the people as well because you're sort of hiding things and so normal as I can't

emphasize the importance of them, because visibility matters. If you don't meet people like you, you can start to think there's something wrong with the way that you look.

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I think when we talk about leadership and role models, you know, Sadi has had a milestone moment in a financial services industry with having Jane Fraser as the first

female CEO of Wall Street Bank. You know that change in that culture, you know, has brought with it representation and progress for all marginalized groups and voices within our organization, and in terms of role modeling, we I have various senior leaders on the training floor here and now I am more comfortable in coming out and being out in the workplace, which has historically been misogynistic, chauvinistic in sexuality.

Speaker 11

It's something that I do take into consideration for everything. Really, I think the best you and I initiatives do you have an intersectional focus When we look at discrimination. We have to consider the fact that characteristics can be complex and interconnected. So you can't separate my blackness from my gender and my sexuality. They're all interwined, and so I may experience homophobia differently to a white woman on account of my race, and I may experience racism differently to

a black man on account of my gender. Having those things in mind is very, very important.

Speaker 10

We simply cannot continue to do things the way that has always been done because it isn't working anymore right, So for the energy and it's more about shifting mindsets and getting people on board with the fact that change has to happen. I think there are in each company, in each business a group of dedicated allies, employees, resource networks that are on board with that.

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I really want to see that happen.

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But it's about how we bring the rest of the industry in and meet them where they're at so that we can change together.

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What I would love to see from corporates moving forward is for us to progress as some form of a dual track process, in that companies have an obligation to protect all of their employees, be it sexual orientation, gender or other. But I think we also, if we can, need to try and use our platform to raise awareness

outside of our immediate environments. There are a lot of people in the world who aren't in as fortunate positions as we are to have that voice, to be able to express how they feel and how they think, and actually for some of the decision is being taken out of their hands and they don't have a say at all. So I would really like to see corporates progressing sort of outside of their immediate as well.

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So that was Harry Randall, Chloe Walley, Jackie Rule, Dagger and Oran Devlon speaking to us on day Break Europe. Up next, Cash for soda Ash and Taxing Times for UK Politics.

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Now the paper review on blue Bird Daybreak Europe, the news you need to know from today's papers.

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Mostly and go and joins us for more. The Financial Times has a headline soda Ash Group aims to be big fish in London with a seven and a half billion dollar valuation target. Oh, it's an IPO for the city lean.

Speaker 3

Indeed it is and we did talk about this yesterday, but we're going to discuss more in the Financial Times because that's a story on the its front page. And the decision to actually up for London over New York comes after a bruising start to the year for the London Stock Exchange. So We Soda, which is the world's largest producer of natural soda ash, has really given the capital this absolute boost of confidence, which I think it

desperately needed. IPOs are down eighty percent year on year, with only two listings on the main market in the first quarter, and that's according to data from e Y Now. Speaking to the FT, the CEO Alistair Warren said, in London we can be big fish in a relatively modest size pool and fears for the future of the London

market have really deepened. And I know Caroline has been speaking about this, and that's after arm the chip designer, announced plans to switch its listing to Wall Street, not to London, which was a bit of a blow definitely for the city Now and We Soda is a UK based group that produces the glass making ingredient. It is actually controlled by the Turkish media mogul Turgate Sinner and is targeting evaluation of about seven point five billion dollars big money.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, given all the negativity there has been around listings in London, the comments Alastair Warren definitely worth noting that they chose London because they're a europe centric business, They're a UK based and their founders are resident here, so perhaps some of the reasons that other companies didn't find sufficient to be able to choose to list in London.

And he said that within industrials and extractives, it's a good place to be listed, and perhaps that's the point to take away, is that for this industry it's a good place to be listed, whereas others have chosen to go elsewhere.

Speaker 1

Yes, absolute, and I thought it was interesting that you mentioned that Turgay is immediately I mean, he's got a massive conglomerate in Turkey, so he spans loads of different industries. But yeah, such a good story. What about the I news paper And actually there's a bit of back and forth about this around taxation, so the IE has this headline labor policy pledges would cost the same as a three P rise in income tax analysis show.

Speaker 3

So, Caroline, I was just thinking about this. Obviously, labor are leading the polls. We've got about a year to elections, so it's only fair that newspapers do start scrutinizing their policies that they're starting to outline. This is exactly what the I newspaper has done, and basically the opposition Labor parties policy pledges so far would cost the equivalent of a three pence rise in income tax.

Speaker 10

Now.

Speaker 3

This is according to this in depth analysis by the newspaper. Writing in the paper, the head of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, that's Paul Johnson, is warning that the side that the party will struggle to meet its spending promises without raising taxes. Now, Kirstarmer has promised not to borrow for day to day spending and to bring down the size of the overall public debt as a percentage of GDP.

But analysis suggests that labor policies will require an additional twenty billion pounds of funding every year that is equivalent to this three pence rise. It's important to say that's not happening now. It's all according to analysis. But I did think that something was really interesting. Something a lot of people have been saying about Labor is they haven't really you know, talked about their policies and outlined where

they're going to get the money from. Yes, they've talked about ending non dom tax status, but people are saying that's only going to re raise three point two billion pounds.

Speaker 1

It's not going to be enough.

Speaker 3

They've not been transparent enough with exactly how they're going to raise all this money.

Speaker 1

Well, hang on a second. The manifestos have not come out yet and there is still up to eighteen months before the next general election, so they haven't.

Speaker 3

Detailed and it's always easier when you're in opposition.

Speaker 2

Well, let's go to the Telegraph next and talk about the character that's in government. The Telegraph headline Tories demand Richie sonacscrap Morrilly Wrung inheritance tax LA.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so the Telegraph has launched this campaign to abolish the death duty is what they call it, and the newspaper says this is a move should be put at the heart of the Conservative's next election manifesto. And growing fears that Labor is plotting to target savings and assets to fund even higher levels of state spending, so pretty much intertwined with a story just been talking about and

how the different parties are going to approach it. Now more than fifty Conservative MPs are demanding that Rishi Sunak scraps inheritance tax and they're basically saying the proportion of homes under threat from this levee has more than doubled since the Conservatives came to power. That's what the Telegraph

is saying. I just want to say Former Chancellor Nadim Zahawi has been talking and to the newspaper and basically says this is morally wrong, the inheritance tax and warns that it is adding to inflationary pressure to house prices.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

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