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Growing Pains For China And An Exit From Credit Suisse

Mar 06, 202316 min
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Your morning briefing. The news you need in just 15 minutes.
On today's podcast:

(1) China's 5% growth target offer's little relief for the global economy.

(2) Harris Associates reportedly sell their entire Credit Suisse stake.

(3) The Chancellor looks to cap energy prices and freeze fuel duty.

(4) Brexit blues hit London's investment appeal. 

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This is Bloomberg Daybake here for this Monday, the sixth of March in London. Coming up today, growing pains, China's five percent growth target offers little relief for the global economy. There is a question about the future of the franchise, the parting words of Paris Associates CIO, as they reportedly sell their entire credit suite stake making ends meet. The Chancellor looks to cap energy prices and freeze fuel duty in next week's budget, showing out elsewhere, burning through billions,

and a twenty four million dollar question for CEOs. Those are the stories we're looking at in today's papers. I'm James Walcock Plus. Is London at risk of losing it's luster? Brexit blues hit the capital's investment appeal. That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The Business Views you need to start your day in just one fifteen minute podcast on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business app and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning. I'm Lizzie Burden and I'm

Caroline Hike. Here are the stories that we're following today. China has set its economic growth target for the year at a round five percent. The goal was announced during the National People's Congress that began on Sunday. Bloomberg's China Economy of editor Jill Disis says it's a conservative target. They want to be able to hit their target. I think, you know, somewhere around five percent gives a Beijing quite a lot of room to work with. But they also

want to They don't want to overstimulate the economy. They kind of want to keep things on track, and ultimately, I think what Beijing is looking for this year is economic growth that's really going to be driven by a rebound in demand. We'll be getting more of Jill's thoughts in just a few minutes time. Economists had expected a more ambitious target of above five percent in the wake

of rebounding consumer spending. Premier Leka Chang also said the government will work to prevent what it calls the unregulated expand of the property market. Now, Harris Associates has reportedly sold its entire Staking Credit suiss, ending a decades long relationship. The investment firms. CIO David Hero told The Financial Times that quote, there is a question about the future of

the franchise. Those comments follow an interview with hero In that Bloomberg did last August, in which he had this warning for the Swiss Lander, but you can't keep doing the same thing as they've been doing over the last decade and get zero results. They have to put an end to it. At some point. They either have to fix it or to look for other options. That was Harris associates CIO David hero speaking to Bloomberg's Fancy and

Laqua last August. Harris was the biggest shareholding Credit Suiss for many years and halved it's ten percent holding towards the end of twenty twenty two to five percent. San Francisco FED President Mary Daily says rates need to head higher and stay there for longer. In a speech Atton University on Saturday, she had this to say. It's clear there is more work to do in order to put

this episode of inflation high inflation behind us. Further policy tightening maintained for a longer period will likely be necessary. Well Daily doesn't vote on policy this year, she is part of the fomc's meetings and Discussions. Federal Reserve chair During poll heads to Capitol Hill this week, where he's expected to echo her view that more hikes are needed now.

With just over a week to go to the UK budget, the chance of Jeremy Hunt faces a range of competing pressures, but economic think tanks have warned that there's very little headroom for permanent giveaways. Bloomberg Samuel Etienne reports strikes, the cost of living crisis and a dangerously tight labor market all calling for physical support. There are no easy answers

for a cast strapped chancellor. Although UK borrowing is running well below official forecasts, a Resolution Foundation and IFS are warning the government not to consider policies like fuel duty or a drop in corporation tax. One think tank estimates a state will need five billion pounds just to top up public set to wages by two percent this year. In London Samuelettian, Bloomberg, Daybreak, Europe SoftBank's arm is seeking to raise at least eight billion dollars in a US

initial public offering. According to Reuters, the British chip designers expected to confidentially submit paperwork for its IPO in late April. Companies have been choosing to list outside the UK as higher liquidity, larger access to capital, and better sentiment all prove more attractive than going to London Stock Exchange. Okay, those are a few of our top stories for you this morning. So we've got the budget that comes up

next week. We also have the routers reporting around ARM eight billion dollars expected to be raised by soft Bank. But ARM is not going to list in London obviously, is going to list in the United States. I think that is a key blow. And there's a big piece kind of science and technology and innovation that is supposedly going to be part of the budget next week. Yeah, the aims to make Britain as science superpower by the

end of the decade. It's Caroline. I think it might be a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. You've seen armscrh. But maybe I'm being a little too gloomy here. Yeah. Absolutely, I think that you can't and shouldn't count London out. But having said that, it won't be very viassuring that. Also on the terminal of this morning, City is planning a new trading floor, not in London but in Paris, doubling the number of

traders that they have in Paris. Yes, they've said London is still the main hub, but apparently they're going to build, Yeah, a much bigger office. And also I thought this was quite interesting. It's not going to be the ros and

rows of trader desks. It's going to be pods, circular desks. Oh, the post pandemic world, Caroline, Well, it'll be interesting to see whether that development comes up in the discussions between Emmanuel Macon and Richie Sunac when the British Prime Minister heads across the channel for discussion as later this week on Friday, can they reset relations with this windsor framework in the bag? Oh, this is this Franco British summit that is taking place. I hope you're going to be

there on the ground. I have the playing that you might be okay up next shelling out elsewhere, burning through billions at a twenty four million dollar question for CEOs. Now The Paper review on blue Bird day Break Europe. The news you need to know from today's papers. Well, Carolina, as I say, fresh from what looked like a pretty good week for Rishie Sonak, he's planning to continue diplomacy

pushes with France's President Emmanuel mccron later this week. The Guardian, The Times and The Mail all lead on the proposed small boats changes that might come from that meeting, and James Wolcock joins us in the studio Bright and Early for a deeper look into some of the business stories in the news today. James, let's start off by talking about the interview in The Times with Shell's CEO. Yes, Lizzie, I mean I want to put an application for a

pod where they go away. But Shell, it's the UK's largest company, which made a record forty billion dollars last year, so it's all the more worrying that their new boss wealth to one that said Britain is less attractive and investment destination for both the US and Europe because the UK is failing to match them on his green energy subsidies. Now. So this is fascinating because the UK is always stressed.

By leaving the EU, it could have be standing on its own two feet, yet now it finds itself caught between two juggernauts, the US on one side with three hundred and seventy billion dollars incentives and the EU on the other side saying they will match any incentives that go to companies that aren't European. The UK and the middle is sort of pushing for this free market ideology. Grant Chaps in Davos called it dangerous. That's the UK Business Secretary. But so the question now is that is

an ideological problem. Can they economically back it up? The other thing I find fascinating here, it's worth pointing out this is a large, multi billion dollars oil company that's talking about going green and is pushing to try and carbon neutralize, and its big push to try and be at the four front of the green transition. The big fear the Shell is saying is they would like to invest in the UK, but if there's no money there,

they will get left behind. And the one thing I want to sort of tease out here is that so one said that the energy profits levy, the windfall tax to your government is putting on profits, is disincentivizing investment. Now that is completely different to what the previous CEO, Bernard Looney says. So it's not all sort of you know, black and white here. There is some layers of gray mixed into. Okay, the ft are talking about a US

tech cash crunch. M Now, what is fascinating. Obviously we've been talking about arm Carolina, but it's not all sort of golden sunsets and uppitlets sort of valleys up over in the US. There is a big trap here that

the ft are reporting on. And the way it goes is you go to the US, you look for a higher evaluation, you get it, and then you get a load of cash and a lot of these sort of big tech companies then burned through that cash and the ft have run through the company's filings of the ninety one companies that have reported last year and they burned through twelve billion dollars. And the trap is now interest

rates are up. If you need a lot more cash because you're still a developing company, how do you get it? And you could be caught into extreme cost cutting. You could be snapped up by private equity, or you could take out a pricey loan. One of their sort of global auditors they spoke to you for the piece, summed it up very well. Often when you were private, these kind of things would be sort of behind closed doors

and could be done quite sort of gently. Now they're having to face public markets when maybe their products wouldn't be quite as ready as if they were, say an emerging company to three decades ago. And finally, James the Wall Street Journal has an interesting story about changes to the way we talk about CEO pay. So normally, Lizzie, when we talk to CEO pay, you get a snapshot, you get here's their current salary and maybe here's a bonus. But a lot of this is now being tied up

in stocks and shares. That's how a lot of them make their money. And so the SEC, the US regulator, has said, actually, we would like to see your compensation actually paid, and you're calculating how much you're going to get back in stocks and shares. Now, for Olivier the Push, who is the CEO of the oil field services company Slumberge, that is a twenty four million dollar difference. He has paid a lot more when you take into account the

booming oil stocks. And if you go the other way, the fastened out new equity awards for their CEO downiel floor and is he lost nearly half his value because of their tanking shares. So it's an interesting new way that the SEC is sort of looking to calculate these things. It's often been used by private ants for a very long time, but it's intertantly how traders might react to sort of having that big number in bold next to

the company's results. Yeah, I mean, I think the idea has always been that it takes a long time, you know, depending on when those stocks and shares you know where, Yeah, when you take them effectively over time, how much they're actually worth in reality. So yeah, I think that's quite fascinating that there might be a big red number attached to these CEOs. Thank you so much, James Orcott there with a look at the newspapers are really a very

interesting round up. Let's also turn our attention though to what happened over the weekend. China has set an annual growth target of around five percent, rather than above that level. The national budget was released on Sunday, suggests that fiscal support will be restrained. Joining us now Aisboomberg's China Economy editor Jill Dices, Jill, good morning, Thank you so much for being with us. The key takeaways them from China's NPC,

these sort of political in quotes gathering over the weekend. Yes, um, well, you know we'll start with the growth target and I'll also just remind you that it's the NPC is going to continue through this week where I think we're going to see a lot more changes, including you know, maybe some big shakeups at the high political you know, executive levels where she's probably going to president. She is probably going to consolidate as power more and sell some more allies.

But what we've seen already is that that growth target that you mentioned in quite conservative, probably signaling that there's not going to be a ton of stimulus coming out of China this year, and we're seeing that kind of reflected into commodity markets. Right. It's doesn't seem like China is prepared toduce growth through you know, real estate, infrastructure, those kinds of things, and instead it is probably going to rely more on this consumer driven recovery that's already underway.

So what we've seen out of some data, especially in February, is that spending is really picking up now that they've dropped all those COVID controls. COVID zero's gone. People are you know, finally able to leave their houses and spend more money again. Um. And it seems like that's probably where China is gonna, you know, hope that that growth picks up. So yeah, I think probably a bit disappointing,

um that this this target wasn't more aggressive, um. But that does kind of indicate that uh, um, you know, it's it's it's we're going to be better than last year, but not is uh you know, not extremely strong. But Jill, they missed the target last year. So I wonder how much of a case of under promising and over delivering this is trying to restore Beijing's credibility and also how much the hangover effect will be for international investors who

are hoping to be boosted by Chinese recovery. Oh yes, I mean absolutely this is on the minds of everybody in Beijing. Like Beijing does not like missing their targets whatsoever. Last year, as you mentioned, it was a pretty big miss um. So I guess what this target does do is it gives them more flexibility. I mean, if you

say around five percent, um. You know, China also does that thing a lot of the time where it's like, oh, like we'll give you a range of where we want to, um, you know, how we want growth to perform, all that kind of stuff. And I think that, um, this at least shows that if you know, the economy does grow by five point five percent this year, maybe even you know, six percent of things really really pick up, then you know, they'll they'll certainly um uh you know, they'll certainly match that.

But yeah, I think that ultimately it's it's it's just kind of shows that maybe, UM, China is also probably a bit worried about what those international risks are looking like. I mean, you know, as growth kind of drops off elsewhere, is demand is waning in places like the US and Europe. Um, you know, exports uh, major major contributor to the Chinese economy is probably not going to do um, you know, it's probably gonna underperform this year. UM. These officials are

looking out for those kinds of effects too, UM. And I think that that's probably presenting some some risks that they're concerned about as well. He also did mention the shake up that could come in terms of those top roles under she the regulatory overhang. Those also quite crucial. Is she's sort of industry by industry crackdown. Actually overall does that continue? Yeah, we'll see. I think we've been getting some conflicting ideas about what exactly that's going to

look like. UM. Now premiere La Kishang. He gave his final address as a premiere yesterday, talking about the GDP targets and the government work report, and he kind of you know, suggested that you know, they're going to be regulating real estate for example, Um, they don't want to.

They want to prevent like unregulated expansion of the market. Um. But ultimately, you know, was saying that they wanted to boost market expectations and confidence for private businesses for example, which I think investors have traditionally taken at least over the past couple of years as a sign that oh,

maybe they're maybe they're easing off the crackdown. But at the same time, I think back to last week when President she was talking about, you know, um, wanting to roll up plans for deepening structural reform and you know, tightening things for the financial sector and you know, exercising more control over technology and stuff. So it does seem like there is some element of that regulatory overhang that's

still existing there. So I don't know that we're done with that quite yet, but it does seem that at least the government understands that they need to strike some kind of a balance between you know, boosting that confidence that the market house and them. But then also what are they whatever they're doing with the regulatory sector. This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the stories

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