All right, thank you, Richiel. They went and saying that they would establish red lines. Wanted to be very clear. The first upshot as President Biden saying that he will dispatch Secretary of State Anthony blink And to work on further ties, So that should be optimistic. Now joining us live is Bloomberg's Ian Marlow, Bloomberg diplomatic correspondent. Ian, thanks so much for joining us. Our main focus obviously Taiwan. Are we hearing any progress and understanding each other? Yeah.
I think both sides went in here thinking that there was the miscommunications and misperceptions to address. I mean, some of that was from Biden's own comments about Taiwan about whether he was, you know, pledging to defend it militarily if Chinese invaders try to invade it. And we had heard some some talks from Blinken on Taiwan as well in recent weeks. They came out of here kind of stressing that that was a red line for Taiwan. Biden
said that the US policy and Thailan hadn't changed. This was kind of low hanging fruit to some extent for the talks, But both sides came out and I think allies in the region will be reassured by that sort of kind of new talk of stability between the two powers on this now some of the analysis that I've seen and maybe new to new people and those who are watching closely not so much so, but that from China's perspective, they were very worried that ties with the
West might lead to a call of independence, but talking about chips and the kind of trade that had been happening and had been morphing slowly, so they felt it was in their own interest in one country to be be beefing up a little bit. Does that make any sense, Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I think China has complained for years that the US, by you know, supporting Taiwan with arms sales, with talk of Taiwan's democracy, that they've been basically emboldening elements within Taiwan who wanted to push the island for
formal independence. But I think in general in Taiwan, the the sort of general atmosphere is one for the status quo where Taiwan kind of a little bit uneasily kind of basically the fact though uh nation to some expen within the fold where it's not recognized by you know, diplomatic organizations and the United Nations other things. So, Um, I think the the US has always kind of walked the final because they're trying to look like they're supporting Taiwan,
they're supporting democracy there. You know, there are a lot of sort of people generally before on the Republican right that wanted more support for Taiwan with arms, sales and you know, legislation, and so this is this sort of a lot of both sides to come out of these talks with something to to show for it, even though to some extent the positions aren't radically different going in. I think they're just going to tone down the rhetoric on either side. Now, did did they say anything that
that you've seen? I haven't seen a whole lot on Ukraine, on human rights, on COVID. I mean they came out, they talked about Taiwan, but anything on the others. Yeah, there was a little bit. I don't think anyone really expected China to fully reverse course and start condemning Putin and calling you know, and and the war in Ukraine. Um, but they both agreed to say that you know, talk of you know, loose talk of nuclear weapons, use things like that that that is not a direction that the
world should be going in at the moment. And I think that was again a little bit of low hanging fruit, because Chinese President Shi Jimping had said as much to the German Chancellor on On on his recent visit to to China. So um, to some extent it was a reiteration of China's policy, which is, you know, which is to some extent being you know, both sides are a
little bit to blame. NATO was pushing Russia. You know, Russia you know didn't do you know, invaded and it wasn't the best, but you know it took a sud surprise and that sort of thing. So I think now I think both sides are a little bit um on more more even footing there, I think, and I think on health and security, after her speaker Nancy Pelosi visited
Taiwan and and sent relations into a tailspin. Um they China cut off a bunch of talks with with the US on climate change and a bunch of other things. So they have agreed to restart those which will you know, both include health security and uh and other things that climate change. All right, great, Ian, You're terrific. Thank you so much for giving us perspective there that is. Ian Marlow, Bloomberg Diplomatic correspondent,