This is Bloomberg Crypto, a daily Bloomberg I Heart podcast, and I'm Stacy Marie Ishmael, Managing editor of Crypto for Bloomberg News. It's Friday, September sixte by now you've probably heard and definitely on this podcast that El Salvador became the first country in the world to adopt bitcoin as legal tender, all the way back in September of one.
But did you know that the Central African Republic has made a similar move in April, becoming the first country in Africa to welcome a cryptocurrency to its sovereign ranks, que to no one's surprise, almost immediate expressions of skepticism and concern from organizations like the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, to say nothing of internal disagreement and confusion within cr itself. Why would a country with very low levels of access to electricity or the internet follow
the path of a digital token? Who stands to benefit and who stands to lose? Joining me now is it's difficult to see how they're going to move forward. It's almost like they're learning as they're going. Katarina, welcome now. Our listeners will be more than familiar by this point, with the fact that last September one, El Salvador became the first country in the world to accept bitcoin as
legal tender. Following the Salvadorian news, a number of politicians in Latin America, many of them younger on the millennial side, signaled their affinity for bitcoin as well. This is a really bold first move, very central American country. What it means for bitcoin is um there are businesses in El Salvador that will be required to accept this if they're technologically able. But now there's a number two. Yes. So the Central African Republic adopted bitcoin as legal tender in
April this year. It was met with shock, confusion, and also a bit of enthusiasm from from some bitcoin experts and and enthusiasts. I guess that people you know sort of saw another country adopting bitcoin after El Salvador, but it probably didn't expect it to be a small African country that many have never heard of two to be the one to follow suit, especially as car might not have the paper it might look look like the country
that would adopt bitcoin. With low internet connectivity and an ongoing conflict that has sort of both plagued the economy the country for the past basically for the past decade.
You've also reported on a You and your colleagues have reported on the fact that unlike in El Salvador, where you know, the government seemed to be unanimous with the central bank and maybe not all of the population, but they had a lot of internal support for we're going to do this thing, the story in car seemed to have shaken out a little bit differently, like what what's
been happening. I mean, it was voted by by parliament, but if it also voted by by handclapping, and a lot of the lawmakers didn't really seem to know what they're voting on. Now. The one who's been pushing this this initiative through is the president for Santa Change, who has a pH d in mathematics and at least seemed to understand the logics of of cryptocurrencies and bitcoin. But
the opposition was against the proposal from the beginning. Very early on, you had backlash from the center, the Central Bank, who noted that actually adopting bitcoin as a second currency next to the Central African Front, which is used by by six countries in Central Africa, would be illegal, and that could actually lead to the expulsion of the Central
African Bank from the Regional Monetary Union. There's also been pushed back from the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, who bold against the adoption of bit kind of legal tender in car, which they've been very consistent on because they told us alf the exact same thing that you know, like the the i m F and the World Bank are generally not keen on sovereign countries exposing themselves to a degree of you know, risk and volatility and currency
fluctuations on top of everything that they're already dealing with. But let's talk a little bit more about in practice, like what does it mean for cars to accept bitcoin? Is legal tender? Is it now that you can walk into any shop and pay in bitcoin or people doing that? Like what has changed materially in the country. Not much underground as far as I am aware, only about eleven percent of the population actually has Internet connection, and I
mean many people don't even have bank accounts. It's it's a very poor country on paper, and most people wouldn't be be able to invest in bitcoin at all. So from from the outlook of it doesn't seem like it has changed. Much underground of course a CAR. This hasn't stopped CAR from moving forward and also launching their own cryptocurrency and continuing to to promote investments in though countries
mintal sectors. CAR has large natural resources of gold, diamonds and other mintals, even timber, and one one objective of launching or adopting bitcoin as legal tender was actually to be able to to at act investors to those sectors. Well, before we talk about whether they've been successful in attracting external investors, let's talk about the fact that they also launched their own cryptocurrency. You say, say a little bit more about that. So this was a product that was
launched in July. That's when the CAR launched the single coin, and the president for Santa Seanstrada said famously at an online event marketing the crypto project that for them, the formal economy was long an option and the cryptocurrency was the future. For CAR and obviously have a very young population, so if if they could invest in benefit from it, it would be it would be a good solution. CAR then moved on very quickly to to open up the sale of sanle coin, which would allow well you could
get an e residency. There was the possibility of acquiring land through through the single coin, but it was also done at very high risk. No one really knew what it was. Pegg two was actually securing that this currency and some of these investments would require a ten era locking period of your investment. So so far, investment has been slow. Investment hasn't fluent into sango coin. What does
sango mean? Sango is the actually the local language which is spoken across car So there's kind of an idea in addition to what you're saying about this being something that folks can feel proud of, feel attached to, that like represents the country in this digital forum. But to your point, it does seem to be have been pitched to external investors more and than necessarily the people in
the country itself. Right, with eleven percent internet penetration, sporadic access to electricity, they're probably not a lot of people day to day who are going to add this to their list of things that they're super keen on. Have international investors shown interest and appetite for any of this, well,
approtetite has been slow so far. I think that the last time I checked, single coin had sold for about one point six million dollars, and the initial value that they put on the market in the first round it's going to be twelve sales in total was about twenty one million, so again very slow interest. That they extended the period I was supposed to actually end last month until end of this month, stating that the enormous interest
would needed to extend the period. But if you look at the sales, it doesn't really match what they're saying in in statements because the numbers are not reflecting kind of the same enthusiasm, not not at this point. And I guess that's I mean, that's a risk part of the project effected. Again you have a long locking period. And it was also said that the single coins that you used brought either by through ethereum or a bitcoin,
couldn't be traded back. Wow, okay, so very significant constraints on your ability to get in and out of a single coin position. In other words, I want to ask you a little bit because I saw a story that you and one of your colleagues published around the end of August around the country's highest court, saying that an incentive program the government was trying to offer to people who bought single coins was unconstitutional. What was that program? The CAR has been offering people to buy land for
investing in sanle coin. There was also an e residency program and also the possibility of getting Central African nationality by investing sixty tho dollars and then the locking period of up to five years. Now, obviously the Constitutional Court said that this is not how we allocate land in CAR. Just need to go through a government to decision of the Parliamentary Parliament actually has to be in there the decision. And also our citizenships are not to have for grab
food investing in cryptocurrency. And thirdly, the option of the residency doesn't exist in the CAR at this moment, so it wouldn't be a possibility. Now CAR is actually in the process of adopting a new constitution and it seems like authorities could be changing that document into possibly fitting
the Sango projects objectives. Got it. So this is one of those we'll just have to wait and see, you know what actually what actually shakes out there exactly, And that's only the residency and the and the land acquisations is only up in the in the following it rounds. It's not on the table or not for sale at
the moment when we talk about the residency. As far as I'm aware, Estonia was one of the first places in the world to offer this, and the idea is like, you know, for the folks in the US world saying to this, it's like a digital green card almost where you don't become a citizen, but you get access to to certain elements of the economy, to stat us. You know,
you kind of get like an identity card. Does that framework even exist at all in car for them to be able to offer something like this or is it more like if you buy this, at some point in the future, you may have access to something that looks like this. I mean, at the moment, this doesn't exist, but the Constitutional Court was was very clear about again this is this is something that they're hoping to offer
in the future. So it's still not up for sale, but it seems like the framework to even offer any residency is not there at the moment. Coming up, more from Bloomberg reporter Caterinaa on how bitcoin is shipping up in the Central African Republic. We'll be right back for folks who have you know, maybe this is the first time they're encountering Car in the wild. What are some of the key things that they should understand about the challenges that the government is facing in trying to drive
adoption of these policies. Well, I mean, first of all, the internet connectivity. Again, car is one of the least connected countries in the world. It also has one of the lowest GDPs about two point three billion according to World Bank. The population for the most part is kept outside of the financial system, while they do use the mobile money service providers. That was just four pc of the Placian eight fifteen years or more, again according to
World Bank data. And if you want to compare, the percentage of El Salvadose population with access to the banking system was around this is in twenty seventeen. So already indicators that are a bit lower than the than El Salvador or this little infrastructure in general, again the Internet connectivity, but even things like like Rhodes, they don't have enough electricity.
If they want to tax to set up a bitcoin mining operations that that probably wouldn't be possible in card and you would then the whole country would go go black or whatever it split up would probably be in darkness. Social indicators are pretty dire. People don't, like you pointed out, people don't have the money to invest in in bitcoin
and crypto. What's interesting hearing from you is these are very similar to some of the concerns that places like the I m F and the World Bank and cryptos skeptics. More broadly, we're raising about Al Salvador. Obviously, as you've mentioned, Al Salvador is significantly further along on several of those indicators,
including internet penetration, consistency of electricity. You know, Salvador is like, well, we have a volcano, so we have a totally different way of thinking about the possibility of of bitcoin mining. But despite them being more ahead on on many indicators, they still haven't seen widespread adoption of bitcoin among you know,
the rank and file of the population. Right, They too have really seen an influx in tourism, in foreign investor interest, and sentiment, but not so much your average person in the market trying to buy something being like, hold on, let me whip out my bitcoin wallet and and pay for this thing. Do you expect from your knowledge of your previous experience of the region that this will be something that two years from now, you know, the government is like, Okay, we tried it, it was an interesting
marketing campaign. We're going to move on to something else. Or is there any indication that this is something they have actually really high conviction around and they're going to keep trying to make successful despite the challenges you've identified. I mean, maybe it's a letter challenge again that not a lot of people in government understand its prodict totally. The president he seems to know what's going on, but
but at a government officials don't. I don't want to out rule the projected yet, but I mean, so far with interesting being low, I I don't. Yeah, it's difficult to see how they're gonna move forward. It's almost like
they're learning as they're going. And of course another obstacle is the fact that they are part of the c IF A franc zone which is packed to the Euro and also controlled by the French Treasury, which means that they have limited the say over the monetary policies for example, and again, launching bitcoin or cryptocurrencies could possibly go against this system, which would which would then cut them out
of the regional monetary union. It's interesting though, however, that since cars adoption of bitcoin the regional monetary union has actually started looking at possibly a digital currency, so it seems like they're warming apotlune idea, but but so far nothing has really moved forward on that end. So there are two things that you said that that are really
interesting that I want to hold in on. One is, you know, much like Al Salvador, which uses the US dollar, lacked control over its on monetary policy, like cars, facing something very similar there, except they're using the euro uh instead of the dollar. But the other thing is that idea of this being a learning experience, not just for
them but potentially that monetary union as a whole. That me in you know, twelve twenty four, Who knows how many months from now lead to something that looks more similar to like a digital euro, but for that union specifically exactly. I mean that sort of fits into the whole narrative across this region. That the fact that they need to keep at least fifty centers foreign assets with
the French treasury. Again, the former colonial power has been facing growing criticism, partly for holding back economic development, so creating creating a single or even as a national currency or even a regional courtesy. I mean South Laftrican Authorities has promoted as a pan Affrican project could potentially attract other countries and you know, offer a bigger pickup at least give countries the idea that if going into crypto is a way to sort of move away from the
from the French dependency and the dependency on the Euro. Well, Katharina, thank you so much for joining us and helping us understand what's been happening with car and crypto. A pleasure to have you on the show. On the next episode of Bloomberg Crypto, we're going to talk about exchange traded funds and specifically crypto et f s. These are products that are designed to give people exposure to things like bitcoin or to ether or two broader companies in the
market without actually having to hold those things directly. There's some interesting and perhaps unhelpful stuff that's happening with their performance these days, and you'll hear more about that on the next episode. They is Bloomberg Crypto, a daily podcast from Bloomberg and I Heart Radio. For more shows from i heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Send us your comments, questions or suggestions for the show to Crypto at Bloomberg
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