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The season is underway. The global e commerce and payments platform company ACI Worldwide says friendly fraud is expected to increase twenty five percent between Thanksgiving and Cyber Monday. That's according to an analysis of billions of transactions of global e commerce businesses. That's what they do. They see a lot titting us with more is and kind of on that story as well as their business. In our latest
installment of CFO Briefing is Robert Leebrock. He is CFO of the more than four point eight billion dollar market cap company ACI Worldwide, the stock by the way down about nine percent year today, and also with us here in studio as Nina Trentman. She's Bloomberg News Senior editor. She writes the CFO Briefing newsletter, which you can subscribe to at Bloomberg dot com slash CFO Briefing. A new one comes out every Sunday. Bobby, welcome, Welcome, Nice to
have you here with all of us. I'm not sure everybody's familiar with what you do share with us a bit on what the company does, who are your customers, the type of categories, so that our investing audience has a good picture of what your business is all about.
Yeah, that'd be great, and thank you for having me, Carol. I think, as you described earlier, we're right at a peak season for our company. We're right in the middle of all of the payments that run through the economy, not just here in the US, but around the world. And as you think about what ACI does, it's the infrastructure of payments. You know, we know around computing, there's cloud,
there's data centers, there's the edge around payments. We are the infrastructure that does that across all the banks, all top ten banks, sixty of the top one hundred banks. Also across three thousand customers here in the US, they need bill pay technologies. If you paid your US tax bill, you've probably used our platform your insurance bill. And then a big you know this weekend actually is when you
talk about friendly fraud and uptick. We're seeing there. We service eighty thousand merchants globally with our technology around payments.
There and as you step back, you know what where ACI really comes in is a mission critical layer of software and as a service technology that allows them to scale, provide the reliability, the fraud detection that you need across those As you think about what we can do across those platforms, it is it is perfect to come in, you know, on the Wednesday here before Thanksgiving here in the US. Like I said, it's a big peak season.
As we look at the transactions at this time of the year, you know, they were up more than twenty five percent last year. We're expecting that to happen again this year. Through our platform. There's lots of fraud that can come along with that. It's one of the areas we're infusing AI into that for these merchant providers. As you think across ACI, you mentioned almost five billion dollar
market cap, almost two billion in revenue. You know that we have globally with a very healthy performance underneath about five hundred million in aibita. You know, I joined just under six months ago, so you know, relatively new to the team here and think about what we do. It's really a big reason on why I joined. I was excited to come in the middle of a company that's mission critical to everything we do around payments and the
ecosystem and the economy. But the other equally important part of why I was excited to come was we're a fifty year old company that's rapidly transforming. About two years ago we had a new CEO come in Tom Moresop, and he's really jolted the company. Increased our growth about two actra grow ten percent last year, run track to nine to ten percent growth this year. And as you look at that, the other big jolt was innovation. We have a new platform that we're bringing out around cloud Native.
It's our ACI Kinetic platform. And those were two big things that I'm excited to join this team and the transformation run.
Thanks Bobby for for joining us here. Nina here, just wanted to actually follow up on the data that you have from your businesusiness. We earlier talked here on the program about the key shaped economy and the divergence between sort of affluent spenders in the US and those with lower incomes. Is that something that's reflected in your numbers, and what are the trends telling you for this holiday season?
Yeah? I think good question and good to see you again, Nina. I think the underneath of that and let me provide the global scale of ACI. We operate in about ninety countries globally, and our banking business is actually about seventy five percent outside the US. And as you think on how that's developed, a lot of it has to do
with Nina. How we're servicing economies that are either undercredited or under banked and giving them the ability to do digital payments through a debit transaction or other types of electronic payments is really important to our culture and our mission. So as we go do that, we're seeing good demand across Asia, Latin America for these different payment schemes and real time payments provide to those those folks. As you think about you know this this season I mentioned, you know,
we're this is a peak season. We think the shift more and more towards digital payments is continuing to happen. We see that through our platform. When we last talk, I mentioned on a year to date basis, we're going twelve percent, so a really nice demand and that's across both of our businesses here in the US or internationally as well as you look across our payment software business.
Yeah, just curious, Actually do you see this growth in and buy now pay later transactions that we've seen across platforms is also that's showing in your business.
Yeah, and I will say, I mean our business is largely agnostic to how you want to pay, but that is a good reason why to use a digital electronic payment versus let's say cash, and the ability to do that. It's one of the reasons we're taking good market share within our bill pay business. This is a business that you know, we've we've gotten it from lower to mid
single up to market levels at growing twelve percent. And to the point of your underlying up your question there, that is providing more payment types is why a lot of customers in this space are choosing to no longer write their own bill pay technology and their app or their website, but come to a leader like ACI to do that for them. They can give them more options around pay later, use credit, use other forms of payments as well.
Well.
On that, Bobby, we actually had Tom Morse up on Bloomberg Crypto just about five weeks ago, back in the middle of October. He was here in the city to talk a little bit about stable coins, speaking of different types of payments, and I'm wondering how big of a business at this point, you see that getting use of stable coins, especially for cross border transactions. Do you see it sticking?
Yeah? I think I remember. I think he said that, you know, you and he were talking about the death of cash is greatly exact rated right when he saw it. And admittedly, what we were trying to you know, lean into there was we don't see you know, any one payment type really going away, and I think that's the reason why there's such a need. You know, as stable coin sees more adoption continues to ramp, you know, I will know as you look underneath of that, it's it's
definitely an emerging payment type. Provides you know, faster, cheaper, more transparent ways to transfer money, particularly cross borders like you mentioned, but it adds a ton of complexity for our customers to add this as an additional payment type. It's one of the core reasons when we went out and surveyed two hundred customers about two years ago, we
asked them, you know, where should we invest. You know, it was a very customer oriented product, market fit for our new platform ACI Kinetic, and this is a payment's hub. It doesn't bias one payment type one rail. It can lean across all these payment tups. It helps you orchestrate them because the complexity of adopting stable coin. You see a lot of banking announcements on either their own stable
coin or their ability for tokenized deposits. It's great optional and in ACI, we love the idea of giving consumers and more optionality and choice and flexibility, but that provides a lot of complexity for our customers, which is where they need our help and is right in our sweet spot.
Just wondering actually in terms of stable coin payments, is that consumers using those on your platform? Is it business to business? What is that looking like?
Yeah? I think so. As you think of our multiple platforms within our bill pay, our merchant business, we've provided the option ouity. We had a strategic partnership with BitPay that we announced last quarter that unlocks the ability to use those across those platforms. If you think of our critical banking business, that's really a mission critical layer that banking banks are using around the world that those volumes.
We have the capability there. You know, we have the payment infrastructure, we support stable coins, tokenized deposits of the new payment type, the interroperability, most of the volumes I see their need are within the crypto universe themselves. It's going from a highly volatile cryptocurrency and if you want to get the stability to move that, you'll see a transaction of going from you know, a bitcoin over to
a stable coin. There, we don't see a lot of transactions that you know, you know, compared to the you know, we do billions of transactions every single day with trillions of dollars attached to those transactions. And within those there's still more across the traditional payment types that we see within our banking data.
Hey, you know we kicked off, Bobby, our introduction to you talking about the so called friendly fraud expected this holiday shopping season in particular, we're looking at the weekend and all the way through. How much risk is there from this and especially when compute customers dispute transactions following a purchase.
Yeah, I think you know. The friendly fraud for you know folks, this is a new term to This is things like wardrobing, buying something, wearing it for a long time, returning it or you know, stolen goods that you try to return to the provider. And there's they're getting more and more sophisticated and admitally is yeah, this is growing upwards of twenty five percent. And if you think of the average return, it was about one hundred and fifty dollars.
If I remember last year, it's up to about two hundred dollars the average transaction that's going through these types of friendly fraud. We have a platform, so I talked about servicing eighty thousand merchant globally. You know, through our product and our software there we have payment intelligence and we can get up to ninety eight percent prevention within that space. So it's really a big value add there.
And we talk about you know, I'm a I'm a believer in you know, the use cases around AI, and this is one of them that I love talking when I'm meeting with investors because it shows them a real life example around where our customers are seeing an ROI on reducing this friendly fraud with the capabilities we have on our.
Platform, maybe we shall all take an ethics lesson. I don't know, I hadn't heard it.
I hadn't heard friendly fraud before.
Right, It's just, oh my gosh.
You know it when you see.
It, you know it apparently when you see it Hey, listen, Bobby, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving Bobby Lee Brock. He is CFO of ACI world Wide. Nina Trentman, thank you always. Happy Holidays, Bloomberg News senior editor. She writes the CFO Briefing newsletter. You can find it at Bloomberg dot com slash CFO Briefing and for more Bloomberg coverage of CFOs. Be sure to check out the
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