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Black Women Navigating Generational Wealth from AfroTech Executive Brooklyn

May 10, 202242 minSeason 3Ep. 62
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We can’t have a conversation about wealth in the Black community without highlighting how Black women build it, as, there’s nuance. It’s different for Black people to build wealth than it is for white people, and it’s different for Black women that it often is for Black men.

On this episode, which is a conversation held at AfroTech Executive Brooklyn 2022, Morgan DeBaun, CEO at Blavity, hosts a conversation between Samantha Tweedy of the Black Economic Alliance Foundation, coalition of business leaders and aligned advocates committed to economic progress and prosperity in the Black community and Latraviette D. Smith-Wilson who is Chief Marketing & Equity Officer at Horizon Media which is the largest US Media agency.

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At both the beginning and end of the day. This podcast is about helping you find your way as a black person to wealth, generation of wealth, in fact, wealth that allows you to employ people, acquire assets, leave inheritances, and liberal phenomenal life yourself. And we can't have a conversation about wealth in the black community without highlighting how

black women build it. As there's nuance it's different for Black people to build wealth and it is for white people, and it's different for Black women than it often is

for black men. So today's conversation is one between more and the bond who see your at Bravity And she's talking with Samantha Tweeting, the Black Economic Alliance Foundation, the coalition of black leaders and aligned advocates who are committed to economic progress and prosperity in the Black community, and the Trevia Smith Wilson, chief Marketing Equity Officer at Horizon Media, which is the largest US media agency. Let's listen to this conversation. So this is Samantha Tweetie um that she

is the first president of the b A Foundation. So I'm gonna let you explain a little bit about b A and b A Foundation so people know what's going on. Well, First, thank you Morgan, thank you, Apporte, thank you, beautiful room. It's so good to be here with you all today. The Black Economic Alliance Foundation is focused on building generational wealth for the Black community at large. We do it through policy work, we do it through partnerships that cross

public private sectors. And what we're trying to do is flip the infrastructure. We're all living within the current economic infrastructure of this country that as we all know, has been set up since the beginning to leave us behind. And that's the most play way that I can talk about it. And so what we're trying to do at the b A Foundation is to figure out how we build a new economic infrastructure, one that PRIORITIS has is building black wealth. Amen, we can get a clap for

at you don't have to be shy. And next I have lab Triette Smith Wilson Welcome, good to see you, Thank you, and please introduce yourself. I am Latreviette Smith Wilson. I am currently Chief Marketing and Equity Officer at Horizon Media, which is the largest US media agency and the largest independent in the world. So helping marketers drive business outcomes. If you are familiar with media agencies and what they

do that is horizon. UM and I am in what is an industry first role that is focused on bringing and putting d E and I at the core of the business. So rather than sitting it in HR as it has historically set as an enterprise function, it is in the marketing function under me, so that we can actually show how it's driving business outcomes. So powerful, these

are two powerhouses right here. So for before we get into it all and we're gonna talk about wealth, we're going to talk about our own career journeys because we both have had quite the careers before your current roles today. UM, what were your biggest takeaways from that incredible conversation with Ursula? There were so many, but what Yeah, what's sticking with me is basically, you can do what you want. You can show up, you can sit at any table, and you can do it in the way you want to.

But don't call yourself a black director, don't call yourself a black CEO, don't call yourself a black foundation leader if you're not about it for our people. And I think that was so strong because it just gave all of us permission and in different times, in different spaces to do different things, but also to note if you're claiming it, then you have to be bringing the rest of us along with you. That's right. We are at Blavity.

When we were first starting the company and we were building out our team, we had this metric that we said, is this person about it? About it? That was what we said. You know, we've been sitting in a room. We'll be like, Okay, they have the technical skills, yes, the chrismatic, can they leave people, etcetera, etcetera. And I'm like, okay, but are they gonna be about it about it at the end of the day. And some people were not

and they did not get the job. You know, that X factor was really important that you were going to bring other people with you along the way and that you were motivated by that because we knew that this job was a privilege. You know, the work that we all do is a privilege, and it's our responsibility to bring people with us to who much has given much is required. That's it And that's one of the things I loved most And just how always shows up right.

She called it like I'm real right, but there's there's something to that, and and she even said, you know, if this is not you, don't try to be me, right. So I think so often we we feel as though we have to assume other personalities right to succeed, or we say, okay, this is how this person did it, and that has to be the recipe, right, that has to be the map to get there. And really the map to get there is what you saw sitting in the seat when she said, if this doesn't work for you,

don't do it right, just be you. When there's something in that that is so you know, we hear all the time authenticity, authenticity, authenticity. Okay, what does it really mean? In a world right where we're told right, we're pushed often to be something else. And I think that was just one of my biggest I was like, yes, please, can we get more of that? It is be you. You don't have to be Ursula, you don't have to

be La Tribe yet. You don't have to be Samantha, you don't have to be Morgan, be you, and and I promise you it'll be more than enough. Absolutely. So let's start with wealth. This is a conversation about um black women not being rich but being wealthy. What does wealth mean to both of you? I'm sure it's financial security,

it's generational wealth. It is the ability to wake up in the morning and to do what we want to do and not what we have to do right, um and and for me, the generational wealth pieces is the

biggest That's what I'm working for right now. Right. It has so little to do with the individual sitting here or the immediacy of oh oh I can know m. My thinking is real different now, um and I wish I had the benefit of the knowledge that I have now in my mid twenties versus my late forties, right, and so having the opportunity and the benefit to hear from people like us and so many more who are awakened right to what it really means, to to why we have had the plight that we have had, and

what we have to do to change it going forward to ensure rich means nothing right. Wealth is the goal, So yes, all of it. I think for me, it's really about that agency piece. It is the agency to do what you and your family need and want. And I think one of the biggest problems is that still

when folks think about wealth and let's be real. Particularly when they think about black wealth, black women wealth, they're thinking about vacation houses, right, They're thinking about fancy cars, And when it comes to our community, they're thinking about things that they don't think are good. And so long as we allow that to stay as the definition of wealth, we're just going to be adding to the uphill battle that we're fighting. We need to be really clear when

we talk about wealth. We're talking and it's simplest terms about owning more than you owe. How can that be something that's still is the exception instead of the rule for any community in this country in how can that be the case? So I think a part of this is in our conversations with each other, because even there is necessary. But certainly anytime we're talking to anybody who has the influence and the power to make systemic change, what we have to be saying is, let me spend

twenty seconds on what I mean by wealth. Right, It's being able to buy at home and pass it on to your kids. Right, Maybe start a business where you can hire folks from your community, pay them well. And let's just not pause when we say wealth, because we know the pictures that are in folks heads when we do that, especially when we talk about it for us, and we need to change those pictures if we're going to change the way that people are prioritizing generational wealth

building and what is right for our community. Absolutely, okay, So walk us through your career and the work that you've done to get to where you are at b a foundation. So I'm going to just make a bunch of assumption assumptions here, But I would assume that, like many of you, you know, in my house, education was it and it wasn't just it for us. I mean,

that was the legacy of our family. My grandmother left home and put herself through college when she was sixteen, went on to get married, have five kids, raised those kids, and then go back to law school, and then spend her legal career litigating to make the school system in Philadelphia more just right for kids who look like us. And so it just was the expectation and such. It was so rooted in all of us that education was

path to liberation and freedom for black folks. And I spent much of my career fighting for that, you know. I went off and went to law school and litigated to make the school system more fair I opened a school, all girls school. I became an executive, you know, at

a big organization that was building school serving kids. It is from the lowest income communities across the Northeast who were graduating from four year colleges right at rates that were as high as kids from the highest income households across the country. But the data kept slapping me in the face, because what the data tells us is that to date, right our average black college graduates are earning less and amassing less wealth than our average white Americans

who dropped out of high school. So something is wrong in how we are approaching fixing the problem. And it's not just about what we earn and about how much wealth we have. It's about every aspect of our well being, in our livelihoods. Right in the city we're in right now, one of the wealthiest in the country. Black women eight times more likely to die in childbirth or from pregnancy

related causes than white women. But again same trend. Black women who have graduated from college more likely to die than white women or women of any race who have not graduated from high school. So what that says to me is we can't keep expecting to educate our way out of this. All right, it won't work. It won't work. That's a tough reality for many of us, it is, and so Black Economic Alliance Foundation, what we're trying to do is say, you got to be laser focused on

asking the question around wealth building. You can't look at all the other pieces and expect it to get us there, because with the data tells us is that if you apply a solution across everyone in this country, it's going to keep leaving us behind. Also though, and this is the harder part. I gotta be honest. I got a six year old daughter named Stokely, I got a three and a half son named Ever. Guess what what do I clap for them for their school work? Right? What

do I talk to them about college? Right? It is so ingrained in us that that is how we as individuals and we as a community you're gonna thrive. And so what I'm trying to also do is figure out, as a mama, how do I change that for my kids so they see the world and have that leg up to know that that can't be It's necessary, but it's not sufficient. How did they know that from the start? Mm hmmm, Well, we can come back to that. That

was a lot. Vitrio. Well, no, I wanted because you are from the on the private side, right, and I think that your career, um, you know, you've advocated for black women consistently through your career sun Dial and as ventures, and so walk us through your career choices as well. Absolutely. Um So I always say that if someone in any time, I'm asked, you know, how did you get here? I did not have a roadmap, right, There was nothing that said I'm going to make this choice and this choice

and this choice to get here. What I've always done is follow my purpose first and then my passion. Right.

So I actually started my career in journalism, and in the late nineties when this noble profession that I thought was there to serve others and tell the stories of those untold, right, was really about sensationalism and sweeps and everything that I was seeing in the news room at the time, I just decided, I have to be able to look at myself in the mirror when I wake up in the morning and I'm not feeling this, right,

So what is it? What's next for me? And I said, Okay, there's a skill set that I have right strategists, communicator, maybe I'll try this agency pr thing, and I thought I'd be back in the newsroom in six months because there is nothing about me that was appealing to go to a nine to five right, So not necessarily an entrepreneur, but always had quite the entrepreneurial spirit and joined an

agency that thankfully also was rooted in entrepreneurialism. It was the largest private agency, it's actually the largest our agency now in the world, and I was able to follow my purpose and my passion there right. So it was in corporate for a while. Then I built up what they were then calling the Diversity Solutions multicultural practice. But for me, it was always about how do I use what I have to serve the community that I love, and that's really the place in the center in which

I sit. UM went on heading Global Diversity and Inclusion for American Express. Um father passed, decided I was taking a sabbatical, started a consulting company, did that for a couple of years, and then joined friends of mine at Sundial Brands if you're familiar also the makers of Shame moisture, and I joined about six months before we did our first p deal and that was bringing Bain on in twenty fifteen. UM from that continue to grow the company scale,

expand Africa Nigeria. We were kind of the growth of that company in five four years was phenomenal. A lot of you know the story UM, but what was it

that drove us right? That was the story of when you are serving and of service and building community, right, you you can sell any we were making soap, in lotion, in shampoo, in conditioner, right, but there's this amazing community of people that we were in service to who rallied around us, right, and so everything from you know, UM co ops in in Ghana who you know through the work that we were doing with them and producing the shape, but are we're able to to start their own micro

lending right within their communities, to bring running water in, to send you know, an education right for their girls, to all of these things. But it was rooted, right, if you see a threat, it's rooted in passion and in purpose. And so following the seal of of sund Out to Uni Leaver, we started another company called Essence Ventures, used that to acquire Essence UM and I spent the last four years helping to stand essence Again, this is about community, right, This is about serving us. This is

what is the content that we need? It's not just the products that we need. What is it that we need as a community to be feel okay? Right, and not just to survive, but but to thrive. And so that is what I have spent my career, in all of its various iterations doing because that is my my center, right, that is the place and every decision that I make.

Can I really make impact? Here's impact and its people And it's especially that at this point, right, Like, if I can't make impact and it's not with people who I believe believe in what I'm doing, I'm not interested. Fast forward to Horizon right, very different um than Sundial in essence and essence ventures, but with people who I believe believe in what I'm doing and who are going to allow me to take the fullness of what my experience has been to impact, right, not just their agency

but an industry. How do you feel like you had to convince people that it was important for your role to exist because the role didn't necessarily exist before you were there. No, So they were separately looking for CMO and a cdo and they had called me about the CMO role and after learning about my background, said you know, hey, are you interested in the CDO role? And I told them no. And I said no because you know, we always say the definition of insanity is doing the same

thing over and over and expecting a different result. And I said, if you look at the trajectory of of D and I, over the last thirty years, companies right have been doing the same thing right and then question why there's not the return that they thought or why this didn't happen and stuff. Then it becomes a failure and so there's less investment in there versus saying, maybe

we're just going about this the wrong way, right. And so I wrote a whole kind of um uh, my hypothesis on what it should be and what the role should be, and I really I was like, I think I probably just stalked myself out of a job. Uh. And I was okay with it though, because again, I only want to be someplace where I feel I can make the impact. And they came back and they were like, if you are willing to do what we are willing

to do it with you, Oh wow, that's beautiful. I want to talk a little bit about passion and purpose. You know, many of us, you know, we all went through a pandemic. Um for a lot of us, we probably thought more and more about the work that we do because of that. And um, how many of you all switched jobs sometime in the last two years. Yeah, keep your hand up if it was because you wanted to feel more connected to the work that you did

every day and get paid more. Right. Also that I cannot raise my hand, but I wanted to say that because I think that a lot of us, especially Black women, we want to feel good about the work that we do every single day. It's not just about having a job and collecting the check and then going home. Every day.

We throw our hearts into it. And so I wanted you to share some advice with those women in the room who are in their early thirties who are balancing a lot, maybe some life decisions, some family decisions, um, and also still are very committed to living their life and purpose in the work that they do every single day. What advice would you share to her? So, I think one of the things that we have the opportunity to do in this moment is to redefine some of the

pieces that we have been forced to run away from. So, for example, this idea of being strong right in so many places that has been used to malign us. But let me tell you now, I am committed to when my daughter is our age, Yes, I'm I'm taking the hour on this our age right, that she's not running away from strong black woman because strength is power, it's beauty, right. And so in this moment, what I'm thinking a lot about, and hope we're all thinking about, is there was this

you know, there was this crack. COVID brought the country to its knees, right, COVID brought the Black community doubly to our knees. Right. COVID just crushed black businesses. But are other folks in here from Bedstide living in bedste right, Tompkins Avenue, Tompkins Avenue in Bedsta right, Okay. As the community has gentrified, Tompkins Avenue has continued to flourish as this gorgeous, vibrant right business community led by black people,

led by black women. What happened in when COVID wiped out of black businesses by April, the women right, the black women of Tompkins Avenue banded together, work collectively, called each other and said, here's how you get those loans, coached one another through the loans, helped each other figure out how to change their businesses. Oh, you make clothes, let's talk about making masks. We gotta figure out how to be outside. Let's get creative about outdoor seating. Right

and fast forward. Now, Tompkins Avenue is thriving. Now if we think about that and what it means for each of us, look at the data and look at what people think women behave act, work at home, at play, more collaboratively in our at a collaboration is seen as weak. Right, it's go at it alone, right, be at the front of the pack, be the one individual who came up with the idea, right, which so often is associated with men and is more male behavior. Data shows right, that's

seen its strength. What is Tompkin happens Tompkins Avenue prove? Right? Is there a stronger definition of strength than what happened there? And so, just as we're all moving into new jobs, or new roles within jobs, or just new ways of thinking ourselves in the work, I would just push all of us to think about how instead of needing to run away from some of those things. We can lean into redefining it, but we have to do it together.

So when after this there's like a happy hour and a DJ right, okay, so right, we know people are gonna ask who are you? To each other? Wait, we're gonna go, We're gonna ask what do you do? Right? We know, especially post COVID, a lot of us ask how are you? Let's all also ask what do you need? Yes, and let me tell you what I need? How can I and how can you help me? And let's not see that as anything other than strength. That is not weakness,

That is strength. Beautiful. So in my early thirties, what I wish someone had stressed for me was self care, and I just I have this thing now, right. I actually repeat it to myself almost on a daily basis. Self care is not selfish, right, It's just in my head. Self care is not selfish. Self care is not selfish. Self care does not mean that I'm going, you know, any less hard. It doesn't mean that I'm any less committed.

But there is as hard as we go and as much as we pour right into other things and other people and even the goals that we are striving for it's so critical to maintain your center. It's so critical, um because it's so easy to lose, and it's so easy to get off balance, right, and you can't be your best, and you can't show up in the way that it is that you want to show up, in the way that it is that you need to show up to win. And often it becomes the last thing.

Right again, Black women, that's what we do right for ourselves last, And somehow it's a badge of honor. It's not, it's not, it's not. I wish someone had told me that fifteen years ago, right, ecstatic at this point that I learned it, because now that I have, there's no

going back, right. But I think that is critical. And the other part would probably be that you have a vision, right, whatever it is, whether it's your founder, CEO, whether it's your leadership at another company, what effort If you have a vision, and it's okay if other people can't see your vision, even our families, right, Like I'm as close as they come. Like my family we ride or die, like, we go hard for each other. But it's okay that

all of them don't understand my vision. Even sometimes my husband. I will be like hey, I and he's like, but I don't understand, Like this is good, And I'm like, yeah, this is good. But the vision, right, if you think this is good? Way to use the vision? Right? And if I thought for a time I was like, there's something wrong with me? Like am I just asking for too much? Like? Is it? Am I just not you know, I consider myself a grateful person, right, I live in gratitude.

But am I just not satisfy them? That's not it? Because the vision that God gave me, he's not given to anybody else. And I'm okay with that, So be good with the vision that He gave you. We get a hand clos So I'm looking at the clock and it says one minute left. So and I didn't go to any of my questions. Um, so I'm gonna do the last question on my card and then we're gonna

open up to questions from you all. So what do you want to see in the next ten years in terms of changes in black women's wealth and health and financial empowerment? So as a starting place, we need to be at a point where the investment matches the talent, drive excellence of black women. Right, We're we're coming out of COVID and black business ownership thirty percent higher than pre pandemic rates, led by black women. New study out

this week. Point four percent. Let's pausive. That's less than half of a percent, right, A venture capital investment in when everyone was russiing to support black folks, less than half a percent went to black women. Yes, so it's not surprising at all. It's also something we need to say out loud and to think about because we are in post times and that is what the data tells us.

We have to flip the entire infrastructure. We have to say that we are going to talk explicitly and directly about wealth when we are talking about anything that we need to change in this society, and we have to match the investment with the talent. The one thing I want to say, because I know is our last question is, you know, basically the real answer should just be Whateversla Burns would do, That's what we all should do, and like that's let's be clear, but we also need to

recognize it's hard. Like we're all sitting in here right saying be yourself, purpose, self care, right, balance, come in take others with you, right, bringing you be a boat about it, right, bring the multiplier effects, and none of us can pretend that that's not hard. And to what I carry with me. My grandfather he was in World War two. He went and he enlisted. Like he he went from running sit ins at the Walgreens counter when he was in Springfield, Illinois, twenty years old, right to

war because he believed in this country. Now. He was one of those warriors who's going in and fighting with the double V right in his pocket, the double V that said we're gonna be victorious abroad and warri are going to be victorious in beating racial terror at home. He got wounded in Italy. He went to the hospital, he saw they had a blood drive. He tried to give blood to contribute, and they would not take his blood, not because he was sick, not because he had been,

you know, out in the battlefield, because he was black. Now, the only remarkable thing about that story is what he would say when he told it to us. He would say that and list a host of other stories quite similar, and he'd say, that's what made my resolve stronger. And I think we have to remember that we are in this new place, in this moment in time, and we

need to embrace hashtag what would Ursula Burns do? Right, But we also can't pretend that it's not hard, and we have to be able to have those conversations with our community and with each other about yes, that happened to you. Yes he said that, Yes she did that. Yes I saw their face that you were right, and how you read that. It needs to still make our resolves stronger. Yeah, I think for me over the next ten years, right, I could offer, um, you know, some

grandiose you know, into racism, right, all of these things, right. Um, What I hope to see in Earnest is us step into our power as we never have. Something happened in a lot of things happen in right. But I really believe there there was a shift, or at least I cannot not believe right that a shift didn't happen. Isn't happening. Um, I keep saying that we can't go through the things that we've been through and come out the same, and

we shouldn't. Right for us, what I'm hoping that means is a recognition and realization not only of our power but of our value. Right, because it really does start there, um and how we truly do have to lock arms literally and figuratively, right, because sometimes it's just locking arms to keep each other, you know, held up and standing. Other times it's using the resources that I have to put you onto whatever it is that you want to do.

But there is is there is a palpable power that we have in that collaboration that we don't see as much in our community as right because again, you know, we all know the history because it's the competition we bring each other down. Um that collaboration. There's something there,

the spirit of it. There's a something there that I believe if we just if we nourish it right, if we nurture it, what we will see happen in business in our communities and what this generational wealth actually looks like and being able to begin to experience in mass that's what will change for us in our communities. Beautiful. I love these visions for us. All Right, We have some questions. Do I see ouh, Mike? Maybe I'll give

my Mike will has got me? Hello, ladies. My name is Monica Monique, and I'm a fashion designer and I've been in the retail industry for about seventeen years, on my brand for fourteen years, and had my clothing store for seven years. In the pandemic, just like you said, I kind of my specialty was evening where gowns, weddings, specialty suits, all those things. Though, see you I need one bus. We're lucky, so you know I needed a

Ladybugs suit. Um. But yeah, So in the pandemic, I had to pivot and I started developing an app where it's basically like door Dash but for retail stores, where it's called shop Mo and Mo's about M A U X and basically you find local retail stories through the app. You shopped their collection and get it delivered or or you can pick up and and we're launched in this summer.

But the difficulty I'm having with investors is them saying it's too soon for me to invest in the amount of money that I'm asking for or valuing my company or the concept with the amount of money that I feel like I would need to compete with the other company. How much are you raising? I want to raise five thousand. Oh, that's not too much, And I don't feel like that's

too much. I don't know, like that's too much. But a lot of the people that I'm speaking to are saying, like, oh, well, this is your first tech tech company, even though retail is what I've been doing for a long time. How do I secure and ask for the investment that I feel I need to actually give myself some leeway to succeed. So I have this conversation with every single person in this room. Seriously, this is where it starts. Right, Look,

we know the problem. The problem is that we all are expected to raise end some family money because venture capitalists, despite the fact that risky investments is the whole name of their game, right, they look at this room and they say, oh, that's too much risk, right. And then we also know that we are just barred in so many ways from traditional commercial lending. Right, So it is that it's the burden we bear, right. And then we don't come from communities of wealth, and so friends and

family money is really hard to raise, right. So that's the whole issue. So I'm not saying again it's not easy, but you got to say that to every single person here, because you saw Morgan's reaction wor It's like, oh, that's not that much money, right, We can get that, We can get that done right. But again it goes back

to we got to ask ask everybody you know. And if you see somebody who doesn't look like us who's raising all that money, we need to go ask them too exactly what those intent secrets are that we aren't talking about. Right. So my point here is these things are hard, they're not impossible. We got to change the system so they're no longer hard. But until we do, and as we do, this is the room. Walk around. Hi, this is who I am. What do you need? Right? This is high This is who I am. This is

what I need. Get the question. Hold on one second. Will I think we might have some angel investors and investors in the room. Give me a big hand raise if you've an angel invested before in this room. Yeah, we got a couple of people in the room. There you go, so we'll start here. Awesome. Um, Hi everyone, my name is Rebecca Gordon. I'm from Brooklyn, New York,

off of Tompkins Avenue. Saw that story is right for me. Um. I actually graduated Northwestern School of Law in the pandemic and thank you, cool blood, I got honors, Thank you. I worked for that. UM. But like many people during the pandemic, it just shifted the world upside down. So I had a whole vision of my graduation, and graduations canceled. I was like, wait a second, I'm creative. So I designed my whole virtual graduation by myself and did everything

production and music artists, all that stuff. Um. But one thing about law school. They farmed you right into law firms. Worked at a law firm for two years, made good money, but was like eating at my soul, and finally decided to, um, just put into my company, which is digital marketing media,

a brand management in our business, and legal advisement. UM. So my question to you is for those who are in seasons of transition and pivoting, what are some of the markers you consider when you're about to make that next business move or that next transition. What are the markets you're looking for as you're forecasting your next move? Okay, that one I'm trying. I'm going through. Um, this is gonna sound well, I don't know my gut. I will tell you, UM, I know things here oftentimes before I

know them here. So I'm gonna start there right Because sometimes we don't listen to this and we will intellectualize, rationalize everything, and you know it's what I call paper perfect in real life crazy. Right, So this for me is where it's arts. And then there's kind of the analysis right of the things that So it's is this getting me closer right to where I want to be? Right? So for me, my want to be is it's I'm

of service. I believe that's my purpose. Right. Is this brooting you and centering you and your purpose or is it taking you from that? Right? If it is, I want to be of service to my commute, is this helping with that? What? And I can't answer that what for you? But I'm just saying some of the questions to ask, um, I'm gonna throw one back at you really quickly. Do you feel like you know what your purpose is? Okay, boom? That's it if it's getting you

closer there? And if it's not. They're always pivots, right, we pivot and everything. And in that pivot, I think one of the other things I want to make sure the stresses. We often sit so long and I don't want to make the wrong decision, right, what if I fail? What if this? Like it's called we're human? Right, the best of us don't get it right all the time.

Fail fast, learned, pivot right, but stay centered because whatever that purpose in that north star that's guiding you, as long as you focus on that, I promise you the individual steps and pivots they'll fall into place because you're looking there and you know that the path. You know what the path is to get you there. Right. You might not be able to map it out, but you do know the steps when they're in front of you. Absolutely.

Next question right here, this is our last question. Hello, greetings, um, Siva Morrigan And before I say anything else, I would like to thank you sisters. But what do you guys are doing right now? Um? I really wasn't sure if I should attend AFRO Tech or not because I was separating from the corporate world. Um. I'm currently a sales force developer for a Healthy, Healthy and Health I t UM. But I did start my own LLLC Nano Tree LLLC

as a health coach. My masters is from Georgetown and biophysics, and I did not want to go the medical route anymore. Latrevia, latrevia, latrevia. I see you and I'm very grateful that you're on the stage walking in my purpose and finding exactly what

am I supposed to do for the corporate world. And that's why I was worried about attending afro Tech conference, because I do feel like a lot of black wealth and black important people means your corporate and that's I want to find a way that I can still be impactful to the community very much, very much stay in my purpose as a health coach and self care like you've mentioned, but I still will like to be find a way to be financially stable and make that difference

if I if it's possible for someone like us to still stay in our purpose while in that place beautiful, we see you, We see you, and it is possible. You have three examples here and so many more in this road Ye Black Tech, Green Money is the production of Black atiafro Tech, Black Effect Podcast Network and I Hurt Media, and it's produced by Morgan Dabon and me Will Lucas, with additional productions supported by Love Beata Merissa Lewis. Special thank you to Michael Davis, Jermain Hall, ne Van

neces Serrano. Learn more about my guests and other technics innovators at afrotech dot com. Enjoy your black tech, green money. It was a five star raping on iTunes. Go get your money. He's in love.

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