¶ Intro / Opening
Hi friends, welcome back. I'm excited this week to bring you a conversation with Dan. He's the cannabis ingredient specialist at the Boston Beer Company makers of teapot iced tea. Welcome to Bite Me the show about edibles where I help you take control of your high life.
I'm your host and certified Gongé, marge, and I love helping cooks make safe and effective edibles at home. I'm so glad you're here and thank
¶ Creating Cannabis Beverages
you for joining me today. Hi friends, and welcome back to another episode. I'm super excited that you're here and you're listening along. If you've been a long time listener, thank you so much for supporting me.
If you're new to the show, you're in for a treat today because I have Daniel Kloomstra of the Boston Beer Company and he's the cannabis ingredient specialist. Makers of teapot iced tea. If you're in Canada and you haven't tried that yet, you should go to your nearest store right now and pick some up because it's a great beverage.
But you're going to learn why in this conversation. Daniel is not only the cannabis ingredient specialist, but he's a husband, a father, a veteran and also a certified Gongé. That is how I first met Dan. He's one of the few Canadian Gongé's in Canada. I must warn you ahead of time I have a bit of a cold at the time of the recording of this episode.
It's probably still sticking around a tiny little bit. You may hear it in my voice, but if you notice it, that's what that is. It is the season for cold and flu right now. I know so many people who aren't feeling too well, so you'll just have to bear with that during the episode.
But this is a fun and informative conversation about teapot, the cannabis beverages space, what goes into making a cannabis beverage, and a whole lot more. I hope you enjoy the episode. Be sure to check out their show notes, because there's a lot of great stuff there too that you can get into to deepen your knowledge about tasting and cannabis beverages as well.
Without further ado, please enjoy this conversation with Dan. Cannabis ingredient specialist, certified Gongé with the Boston Beer Company. I guess it didn't count down. Hello everyone. I just want to say welcome to Dan, who is joining us today. Dan, can you take a second and introduce the listeners of Bite Me yourself and what it is that you do?
Hi everyone. My name is Dan Clomstra. I'm a veteran, a father I did a tour overseas I'm a husband, a certified Gongé, and currently I'm the cannabis ingredient specialist for the Canadian subsidiary of Boston Beer Company, meaning I develop the liquids that you put to your lips.
That's really cool and that's exactly why I wanted to have you on to talk about today. But I didn't know actually that you were a veteran and a father and all those kinds of things. But we did meet via the Gongé forum.
Maybe, before we get started, you could talk a little bit about your experience becoming a Gongé and maybe we can talk a bit also about how that helps you in your work right now.
Jeez. My experience becoming a Gongé was kind of a very unique journey. I've been a medical user of cannabis for almost a decade now, working in the industry for a handful of years, and I've became a steadfast proponent of quality cannabis and the methodology behind it. What makes it quality? What can we do to improve the product?
Coming up at all times, I'd have to say the benefits of the certification are really multifaceted in my field Insight into cannabis culture, knowledge of processing methodology, cultivar expression, expectations, general overall knowledge they tend to benefit me greatly.
Yeah, well, that all makes sense. I'm sure you're bringing all of that to your work. I have to say that one of the benefits I've found with the Gongé program is just the network of amazing people that you connect with, and that's one of the reasons why we're talking today. I should mention we're both Canadians, so that's kind of a cool thing.
There aren't a ton of Canadians certified Gongés, so that's a little check mark there too, I guess. But how did you get into the world of product formulation in the first place?
Well, as we've seen in cannabis space over the last few years, it's kind of turbulent and tough for many in the space. I was at the point of looking for a new role within cannabis and I came across the product development role for Boston Beer Company. It wasn't something that I thought I was overly qualified for, but it definitely piqued my interest.
I hit many of the qualifications and kind of decided to apply. I'd always enjoyed twisted tea. I thought it was that something cannabis like would be quite nice. I applied to kind of what would be a dream role in my mind. Lo and behold, I was accepted.
There are multiple interviews but I landed the role Right two weeks before I was prepping to head down to Garberville for my Gongé two-day hands-on and examinations.
Oh, right before that, before you were even certified, you managed to land this dream job. That's amazing. You mentioned twisted tea. For those listeners who don't know what Boston Beer does, can you talk a bit about what other things that they make, twisted tea being one of them? Some people may be familiar with that.
Okay, on the alcohol side, boston Beer has many, many big brands. Some that we had known in Canada are Sam Adams, twisted Tea, angry Orchard, Truly Seltzers. In the States they also have Dogfish Head, which is, like they call it off-centered ales for off-centered people. It's really a unique craft approach to making a very unique and delicious liquid.
Right. So American and Canadian brands. I have sampled Sam Adams and angry orchard a few times myself, so that just helps to give people context that now they're breaking out into the cannabis beverages space with a teapot.
Maybe you can walk us through the process of developing a formulation for cannabis beverage, from initial concept to getting the product on the retail shelves. Yeah, no problem.
That's a big question but I'll let it end here. So usually we'll be given the product brief, which is like a description of what the brand stands for, as well as what realm of taste the beverage should fall into, Setting up some expectations and a little bit of a landing zone for what to aim for.
We start with a very wide array of ingredients, picking, choosing the best as we progress through multiple blending iterations. After those many blends and sensory sessions, we do sensory on everything we do. We run stability testing to ensure it's shelf stable for the consumer, that they're receiving the cannabinoid content they're expecting and flavor profile they expect.
So even though your beverage may be only a month or two old, we have tasted it up to one year to ensure that it will meet those expectations. Once we have our master formula, we hand it over to our co-manufacturer who skills up our recipe and we dictate critical control points to them to hit to ensure that we're giving it the best.
Well, we're bringing out the best liquid.
Right, can you talk a bit about those sensory sessions, because that sounds interesting. I guess that's what you're really getting into dialing in the flavor profiles.
Yes. So, whether through development or lot release or stability, we perform, or even benchmarking, we perform sensory on all of our beverages and a lot of other beverages. What that means is we sit down in a very non-exciting room, right you know, and you're handed the sample.
You're encouraged not to speak, not to impress any thoughts on the other people of what you think the beverage is, or even like a sound or a face can do it. So you have to take it quite seriously. When you're doing it they're still fun, but you do have to take it seriously.
So we sample the beverage, we go over the sweetness, the bitterness, the sourness, we go over all the kind of flavor and aromatic points that we may be looking for, as well as points that might be control levers to pull on to maybe make that lemon juicier instead of peely or something like that, maybe candied instead of juicy.
So this sounds like a pretty collaborative process. That's part of the research that goes into creating like a unique flavor for a cannabis beverage.
Then yes, it's quite some time. All that sensory feedback is brought back into our formulations to progress those forward and even for testing it up to long term. We still look for rather potentially improvements we could make in the future to bring that flavor and shelf stability longer.
And to someone like yourself, do you sort of bring forward some ideas? Because I understand and you can correct me if I'm wrong the mango green tea in Pedro's Sweet Sativa was sort of your baby, so can you talk a bit about that?
Yeah, that beverage took a lot of iterations. It's green tea and mango challenging. Everyone has an expectation themselves of what green tea should be and what mango should be, and when you mix them together, there's almost new combinations created. So, yeah, going through those constant iterations of you know, is our mango aroma there?
Well, maybe the aroma is not there, but the body of it is. You know the flavor, so there's many ways to approach that.
Right? Are there any specific challenges or considerations you have to think about when it comes to formulating flavors like that?
Yes, yes, there are. There's a lot of challenges. Many cannabis beverages will utilize a nano emulsion for getting the cannabis into it and while that's great for uptake and effects, there's things we have to consider that we don't want other particles, droplets, interacting with the emulsion. That can cause some issues.
There's also the potential of ingredients containing certain compounds that may not drive well with others, so ingredient to ingredient interactions kind of critical over time. Maybe an example of that is cranberries or something quite acidic or tan and heavy could could cause some issues.
Right. So a lot of things to consider. It sounds like and you said earlier, are you? It's like a year probably process to get start from the brief of what they kind of want to do to a finished product on store shelves. Are we talking even longer than that?
We're talking maybe three quarters of a year to a year, Considering that we do up to a year stability testing. The whole entire process is, you know, almost approaching a year and three quarters to two years.
Wow, okay, so that was a year just to get the product, I guess, to a point where you can then test it for another entire year to make sure that it shall stable and what it's labeled as I guess.
Yeah, it's, it's. It can be challenging in cannabis because every time you put an emulsion or, you know, spike it I call it spiking it there's there's a series of testing that you have to go through. It has to be, it has to have a batch record and be released for us to do so.
Yeah, we have our supermen out there and super women who believe they're all powerful and sometimes an edible will set them in the right place if they go that far. Secondly, the edibles you're used to prior to legalization can vary widely. In policy, you know, there's there's no real limits, there's no guidelines for how it goes out.
We can always try to get as close as possible to what we believe is an accurate dose, but without a lab test, you truly don't know. You know you may think you have a higher, low tolerance and be surprised with something. You think that's a low dose that may send you out to space. Third, what cannabinoids are in it, you know.
Are you aware of the effects of those? Are you ingesting CBG, cbn? Are you aware of maybe? Maybe some of those are stimulating or somewhat sedating? That's pretty important because you know you want to assess your set and setting, you want to kind of figure out what you want to get out of your edible or what you're consuming.
And if you're not consuming the proper cannabinoids and ratio thereof, you're not going to get the expected outcome and go low and slow. You know, if it's your first beverage, even if it's five milligrams, drink half, wait, wait 15, 30 minutes. You know the nano emulsions are reported to have a little bit faster of onset.
So I'd usually wait 15 to 30 minutes if you're not feeling anything. And if you don't try that last bit, you know what. It's only five milligrams in the can. If it all hits you later at a certain time, you are still limited to that five milligrams in your system. You're not just right, I'm not back to try to catch up to your expected effects.
Yeah, that's all great advice and if you can, I would probably suggest even starting with 2.5 milligrams, which is, I guess, drinking half a can or buying something with just two and a half milligrams, because I see that over and over again where somebody has like a monster tolerance to like smoking or vaping cannabis and then they go to the edibles world and they
are shocked to find that that does not translate and has nothing to do with, like, your height, weight, any of that stuff, it's just your personal physiology. I know big, large men that have a five milligram tolerance like that. That's their sweet spot.
I know teeny, tiny people that you know a hundred pounds soaking wet and they could ingest 600 milligrams of something which would make me high for probably a week. So going low and slow is wonderful advice. So I'm glad that you mentioned that.
I will add in that, since teapot is a still beverage, you know it's not carbonated you can drink half and, covered up, put in your fridge. You have to worry about losing carbonation.
That's a great point. Yeah, that's a really good point, so worry about losing some of your beverage.
You can go back to it.
Yeah, okay, I'm glad you mentioned that too, because I do like a lot of the carbonated beverages. But you're right, if you don't drink it all it's going to go flat and it not be nearly as a nice of experience as you were hoping for the first time around. So that's a really great point.
Can you take a minute to also discuss the role of terpenes in the cannabis beverage formulation and how they're going to contribute to the experience?
Okay. So right now, with teapot, we're blending for no cannabis taste. We're trying to appeal to new consumers people coming over so there's very little terpene content in that beverage. That being said as well, you know terpenes are bitter
¶ Terpenes in Cannabis Beverages
and so is the cannabis we put into these beverages. So adding additional terpenes can exacerbate a bitter profile in some undesired ways.
You know I could think CBD is quite bitter too, but in edibles we're focused highly on the array of cannabinoids for effect, whereas terpenes affect more of your aromatic and flavor experience versus inhalation, where you know, terpenes can drive much more of your actual experience.
Right Now I am seeing sometimes a few drinks on the market that claim to have, like terpene profiles in them. Is that sort of, in your opinion, maybe a little marketing?
There's some marketing to it, but you know some of these flavor hoses, these large flavor providers, have very sophisticated laboratories and product development teams. So some of them are analyzing cannabis down to two to 500 individual compounds and then rebuilding that backup and putting it into, you know, a beverage to hit that flavor profile.
It's definitely unique, but I've, you know, I was in Humboldt last week and I had a beverage that was infused with 6% cannabis terpenes and what I found from it was it was. You know it was good, it was really good. They had a nice flavor profile to it.
It was rounded, but the taste that you got from the terpenes because there's probably only so many they put in there was really singular. You know, it went in a direction and it didn't. It didn't have any body to it.
So working with terpenes, yeah, can be very challenging, because usually when we smell things or taste things, it's a bouquet, it's a larger group of aromatic compounds, whereas a terpene is just one of those that we feel expresses that that thing well.
Right. So basically, what you're saying is some of those terpene like the terpenes that we think of is a singular point, but out in the wild, if you will, we're, we're enjoying it, with a whole bunch of other things along with it.
So it's not just one singular terpene that we're experiencing when we're smelling a lemon, or whatever the case might be, or a flower.
We're even smelling cannabis, you know, we can go through a ton of ton of different terpenes, but each of those in in even very some small amounts, depending on the person and your level of detection, can can make a huge difference.
Right that's something I'm still always working on is improving my palate. It's always challenging, but a worthwhile pursuit for sure.
I guess one of the questions I had for you as well is if you've had any particularly interesting customer feedback or stories when it comes to your cannabis beverages maybe the one that you developed specifically, or the suite of of flavors available through teapot.
Unique customer feedback. I actually run into it more often than not and I've been surprised a lot of the places I find it. You know Discord groups, instagram, a few other, reddit, of course, but also I myself.
I'm not a sales rep or anything or a marketing activation, but I actually just like to go into dispensaries and talked about tenders, about well, about what I make, to just to make it more interesting to them and bring that passion forward. But I also take the time to ask them do you have any questions? Do you want to know how that thing is made?
You know what's, what's the process behind that? What do these things mean on your ingredient list as to what, what you're ingesting as a you know, even some of these pre-rolls can, if you use pre-rolls, can have quite an ingredient list. So, yeah, so unique feedback.
I entered a dispensary near to me recently, asked to purchase a few cans of teapot, which I normally do, and the bartender really was enthusiastic and started telling me how awesome teapot tastes and it's sessionable and that's a nice compliment to routine.
She said you know a lot, of, a lot of beverages out there can kind of stack with bitterness over time, especially if they're high cannabinoid content that's. That's going to kind of build
¶ Exploring the Rise of Cannabis Beverages
on your tongue. And you know she, she called her thing sessionable. It was, it was enjoyable over over many, which was great to hear. I then you know they told me that they generally sell it by the case, not by the unit. Also great to hear.
I've been to a few dispensaries like that where you know beverages aren't exactly a unit format that many people are buying they're. They're buying a case a week, they're bringing it home, they're, they're consuming it just like they would anything else. So you know things like that people returning to purchase more, recommending it to others. That's memorable.
It gives gives me a warm feeling that our approach is justified and embraced Right.
So does that mean you're going into dispensaries and engaging in these conversations and then telling them that you're with? You're working with Boston beer and teapot?
No, I usually go up I ask about teapot If they have it. I usually that's my intro that I talk about a little bit. You know why I work as a product developer for this. I could tell you more about it if you have any questions.
That really approach it from an education standpoint more than anything else, because there isn't a lot of education out there and a lot of people don't know how Edibles or beverages function right then, honestly, a lot of the processes, even for Concentrates, extracts from these pre-roll types and these other product formats.
There's very little information out there for people, so they love any chance to Become more informed, to be able to guide a consumer In a more appropriate direction.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense and I feel like the cannabis beverages space. It's still relatively small, I think, compared to other product formats like you're talking about, but I See it growing myself and, like you said, those bud tenders that are saying it's sessionable.
There's a lot of people that I've spoken to that were like cannabis beverages are kind of bullshit or whatever, and they've totally changed their mind on it and I see that as pretty exciting because there is a lot of great aspects about beverages, like the faster onset. It doesn't last as long.
So if you're looking to, you know enjoy cannabis high when you're out with friends, or you know Using that instead of alcohol, for instance, you're not going to be High for six hours because you don't always necessarily want that, but there's so many great advantages to them.
A lot of can is can a curious people, I think, are particularly interested in beverages too. Have you been finding that as well?
Yes, honestly, one of the unique challenges I found recently is still getting to the majority of the population that Cannabis, on the cannabis, is recreational, that there's dispensaries for one, which you know it's been five years now yeah, you think they know but that that beverages are a thing, well, my question is usually well, where can I buy it, the LCBO and
Right, if you don't have knowledge about cannabis? A lot of people just start stepping into the dispensaries and just taking that leap of faith Because it's not familiar for them. It's a. It's quite a unique Situation that's pretty interesting.
I never would have thought of that. But you're right. If you're not really Familiar with the legal landscape and you're not really super into cannabis and you haven't been to dispense or you're like well, do I get them at the LCBO? That's where I pick up my wine and beer, so why wouldn't you be able to get your your cannabis beverages there?
But yeah, exactly so. What I tried to do honestly is I I Give out a lot of my my teapot, my own teapot, to people like I bring it to family gatherings, just so even you know my family could try it.
I bring it to gatherings with my friends even extended gatherings and people are often very intrigued because they've never seen anything like that and they find it's quite enjoyable once you kind of break over that stigma with them of cannabis.
Right right now? Are you seeing any particular kinds of flavor profiles that happen to be popular right now on the I guess more specifically the Canadian Market, but or Ontario perhaps?
There are a lot of seltzers.
Yes, there are a lot easily.
There are a lot of seltzers, you know there's. There's a lot of different flavor profiles out there.
I, like you said, there are a ton of seltzers. I've tried a number of them just because I find the seltzers tend to be a lower calorie beverage, because some of the beverages are pretty crazy high in sugar.
But a lot of the times they can Not have much of a flavor either, and sometimes when you want to drink and you're paying, you know A certain amount of money for it. It's nice to have something with a little more flavor kick to it.
So lightly favored. You want full flavored, right Even on your your calorie point. That's a that's an interesting point to bring up because you know the Cali silver movement is something that's becoming more prominent and Even with people looking to monitor if their caloric intake, cannabis beverages are generally half the calories of any alcohol, you know right.
So it's very appealing to people when, when they do see you know generally calories Below a hundred, you know, sometimes average around 35 to 50. So that that's a great way forward.
I think that's a very Something that'll be in demand and people are looking at and people are coming back now and asking about what type of sugar, what type of sweetener are you using?
People are just becoming more health conscious and looking at that and I think that might be driving them maybe more to canvas beverages and that that Cali silver Lifestyle right, and it's funny that sounds like just another nail in the coffin for alcohol, because it seems like these days there's a lot of people are sort of looking for other options to alcohol because
of its you know the health factor hangovers and how bad it is for you.
And that's not even considering, like you said, the caloric intake of having several beers, for instance, and when you compare that to you know however many cannabis drinks you might need to enjoy in an evening, that the differences are pretty Profound. So that's just another. Yeah, drink cannabis.
You know 350 calories in your evening versus a thousand and you know if you're having 5 or 7 cannabis drinks, even 5 milligrams or 10 milligrams, I don't think there's any way that you couldn't feel that. No, I just need one cannabis drink myself.
Typically, I find it
¶ Exploring Cannabis Drinks and THCV Cultivars
interesting because, like, a 10 milligram drink is a very good drink Typically. I find it interesting because, like a 10 milligram drink, I will feel that, even though when I'm ingesting cannabis more traditionally, that a 10 milligram Limit is too low typically. So I find that interesting. So I don't really need to like be stacking a whole bunch of drinks.
But the other advantage too is, when you're consuming cannabis, whether you're drinking one drink or a bunch, I don't feel like ordering pizza at 11 o'clock at night. There's that other thing whereas you have a bunch of alcohol to drink, it's usually leads to some bad choices Dietary choices, often so.
I okay this. This leads me into an awesome one. Last week I brought a Workgroup down there. Yeah keep them about cannabis, and One of my bigger quest to the host was alternative cannabinoids. So we had five cultivars with THCV. One Was called get shit done and it was 18 and a half percent THCV. Total THCV it was. It was unreal.
The morning I, you know, consumed. That Was probably the only day that I couldn't eat my lunch. Later that day, the entire lunch and you just yeah, it's, it's, it's simulating it's, it's, it's energetic, it's, it's great. And we even had some teas with it too. With with THCV, it's, oh, it's my new favorite thing.
So because you don't see a lot of THCV out there. I've heard a little bit about it myself. Some say you're saying it's a get shit done cultivar, which sounds interesting, and so it's highly like motivating, like you said. But I've also heard that some people have talked about it as a weight loss aid or something, or there's a whole bunch of things.
Yeah, there's a bunch of words floating around that it's connected as a a suppressant.
Right.
So now I would never suggest consuming THCV in the evening, because you probably won't get to sleep at any time, but during the day you know if you're. If you're consuming it, you don't have to worry about crushing the bag of chips next to you or going and in my case, maybe raiding my kids school snacks.
We've all been there, okay. So basically you're saying that the THCV was like highly stimulating, but then also did. That's why you didn't want to eat your lunch, because you were not necessarily that hungry.
Exactly, exactly, and I'm interested. The lunch was really, really, really good, like it was Alex. Normally yeah.
Alex sure he's been on my show before too. He's great and his food looks amazing, so I'm sure you guys all ate very, very well and enjoyed a lot of wonderful cannabis.
It's like he can predict the amount of calories and nutrition nutrients that you burned prior to that meal and create something that is just perfect you know it's not too overfilling. It hits every energy requirement Right, delicious.
That's awesome. Now is there anybody doing THCV flower in Canada right now? Your?
flower. No, there is a company with an edible and, I believe, a fake cart. Okay, you know into who the company is. We cannot find that ourselves easily, but yeah, that that's all there is in Canada right now.
It'll be interesting to see that that cultivar kind of come up, come up here in some higher percentages and just yeah, even the kind of the aromatics you relate to it with, with the flower it smells itself. We're interesting.
I found it either came out and express itself with, you know, the terpenes and everything else, has quite piney with a bit of earth to it or even some citrus or kind of a real musky. Dank, if you were, you were finding it in lower concentrations.
Right, I mean that's pretty interesting. I would be definitely interested in that because I like the sort of stimulating stuff, was it? But sometimes I can find the stimulating cultivars can make me also a little anxious. So I don't know if you found that.
This one, not with this one, but that's me.
Right, we're all unique, so yeah yeah, well, I would give it a shot anyway. So they just maybe not before bed, like he said. But what's next for you and teapot in the coming months or or year, perhaps a couple years? What's on the horizon?
Well, I'm always working on new formulations for teapot or, you know, maybe maybe other brands that we work on are working on. You know, I have a lot of things in my back pocket that I'm excited to to see on the market and, you know, actually come January we'll have our Blackberry Roy Boss tea coming out.
I think, yeah, yeah, I'm actually really excited for that. When it's a, I quite enjoy it. We've got a lot of good feedback, you know, otherwise it's.
There's a lot of exploratory blending, looking at the future concepts, and then you know, even even at home I'm getting into, you know, a little bit of testing, a little bit of bench top blending, just stuff that you can't legally do at commands or at production facilities. So try to get a head start on the day that we might be able to do those things legally.
Right right, the black is that Blackberry, roy Boss, I guess that would be a tea, another tea.
It is under teapot.
Yeah.
But but that. We can be technical here. Roy Boss is a tazane.
Right, ok.
It doesn't come from the synopsis, which is the tea plant. Ok, so there's that differentiation, but honestly, everyone calls it a tea anyways. We know it as a tea. So right. It's, it's Blackberry, roy Boss coming in.
Well, I like that because I find that the I've tried numerous of the teapots out there maybe all of them, I think but the flavor combinations are really interesting and I think that's one of the things that sets you apart from some of the other beverage makers on the market where it's just, I don't know, boring or a seltzer with a little splash of flavor or
whatever you know. So the teapot flavors are really nice. They're very sophisticated. So for anybody who's looking for something nice to bring to you know, a little gathering, family gathering, some of the instances Like you were talking about earlier, it's a great idea and I'll link to those in the show notes so that people can find them in Canada.
Is there anything else that you're excited about, whether it's professionally, personally coming up for you want to share?
professionally or personally. Geez, you know I'm. I'm always big about continuing education. So even though I'm almost 40, I'm looking at going back to university and getting my masters. Just, you can never stop learning.
You can never know enough right and and that kind of speaks true for cannabis to you know, absolutely, and legalized Research is only now being done outside of Israel and and other countries. Like there's so much we don't know. There's there's so much even about the aromatics that we don't know.
You know, we, we claim THC is king, but you know after a little bit of time, oh well, thc isn't king, it's kind of singular on your high it's it's, yes, not rounded. And then you know, we start talking about terpenes. That's awesome. We're talking about more and more things but still, you heard, we don't have that whole pie yet.
We still have like only two-thirds of it that we know about. And the future, where you know some of these laboratories for fragrances and other things that test for Thiles, aldehydes, esters, everything else will will run some Cannabis through. I think they're. You know they're probably limited due to legalities, they're probably all something.
But Finding out more about that and finding out what causes these aromas, so we can even Dive deeper into finding something very appropriate for you, for your own self, so that you can go to the dispensary and Really own in on something.
Yeah, I love that because I find continuing education for myself, whether you're someone's getting a Entry into a master's degree program. Congratulations on that. That's going to be challenging for you, I'm sure, with your work and family life, but I've no doubt that you'll be a success at that.
But the continuing education is so important and that's why Prohibition has been such a detriment to learning more about cannabis, because that stops all the research and we, like you said, there's so much that we don't know. It feels like we know, but we just don't.
Case-in-point thcv, that's just an alternative cannabinoid that they're talking, starting to talk about now and the potential for that is Huge. And, like you said, the esters, flavonoids, all this kind of stuff that make up cannabis is just like such a nuanced plant that's. It's really exciting to be in this space and learning about it.
So I'm really grateful to you, dan, for the work that you're doing out in the world and you're helping to educate people, and even in your small way, when you're bringing your teapot beverages to a family function Like.
Those small things not only help educate people, but they also help break the stigma as to what a cannabis user looks like, because they come from all walks of life I've found. So I just want to thank you for your time today and I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.
Thank you, and if I could just have a moment to plug teapot, you know we can follow us on Instagram at drink teapotcom. Our website is wwwdrinkteapotcom. We do have some solid merch going on with with grassroots and Whole. Stop the stigma campaign where a portion of our our sales goes towards paying for Canadians. Cannabis partons right, I believe.
The last metric I heard was we've paid for 10 10 people's partners so far.
That's amazing. Actually it's a. I'm really glad you mentioned that. I didn't know that teapot was doing that. I'll make sure to link to all that in the show notes as well. But a lot of people don't realize that even though it's legal in Canada, you still have to apply for a pardon if you've had any kind of cannabis charges, and it's not inexpensive.
So that's amazing. That has been able to help people with that, because it's costly and it can affect your life. So that's that's amazing. So thank you for that damn, for your time today and we'll be. Well, friends, I hope you enjoyed that conversation and you learned a little something about the process of making a cannabis Beverage.
And, of course, be sure to check out the show notes. Like I mentioned earlier, there's lots of good stuff in there, and you can see where to connect with teapot Online and their website to learn more about their specific cannabis beverages and what they have coming up. And now I turn the question back to you Do you enjoy cannabis beverages and, if so, how often?
What ones do you like, if there are any kind of brand that you enjoy? I know there's a lot of American listeners here, so they might have access to a whole different array of cannabis beverages, but I happen to really love them, which is why I've been talking about them on the show for a little while. It's the new.
It's a new frontier when it comes to beverages, because a lot of people are Is shewing alcohol and looking for healthier alternatives, and cannabis beverages really do fit into that space quite beautifully. Now, if you enjoyed this episode, please consider sharing it with somebody that you care about that you think would also enjoy it. You can always talk to me.
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