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time we've subbed for Willie, Yeah, or four something like that. I enjoy it very much. Hell yeah, thanks to him for letting us do it. Absolutely Hey, if you want to be part of it tonight eight six six six four seven seven three three seven. Well, the only thing I can say, Mike, is what a week? Yeah plenty. I mean, I feel like I'm back in the sixties again. Onching these idiots protesting on campus. Yeah yeah, they're taking over buildings, they're intimidating people

on the way to class. Uh, and just generally acting a fool. So what else is new? You know? Right? And it's all there for the world to see. And just like in the sixties, the majority of the college administrators aren't doing anything about it. No, I mean, if you've if you've been watching it, they're actually either ages being totally passive

or be actually helping the protesters. But I think the question is is why are especially when you look at Columbia and it's not like there's not enough going on in New York here right down the street, but especially the ones at the Ivyley schools, Why are the most privileged, rich kids in the history of the world pretending to be terrorists because you see some of them walking around, you know, literally dressed like hamas mea rights. And I think the

answer is as simple as it is scary. They just want revolution. And if you look at revolutions throughout history, you know from the Russian Revolution to the American Revolution, they need mainstream support. Now you know, in this case enter the American media, the American Democrat Party, and academia. And you know, for example, you see like the Communist Revolution of Russia, you know that you have other parties throughout people supporting it, and what happened,

well they execute anybody afterwards. But the point is is when it comes to American radicals, nothing's changed. You have bored upper class kids. Just like in the other revolutions, like the Russian Revolution, you had upper class people. So here you got upper class, beyond belief kids in a country that's basically handed them absolutely everything, including admission to universities like Columbia. But the problem is they don't really have a purpose given to them by society or

their parents. They just are supposed to be, I guess, finding themselves for four years. But they're told they're going to be America's best and brightest. And just like we did, and this is a good example of it as to how we got where we were we are with the media, federal

law enforcement, the tech industry. Is you get these kids from places like Columbia that are just totally indoctrinated and they're and they're absolutely bombarded with this leftist propaganda for lack of a better term, and then they go out into the institutions like the media and like like in politics and like in in public health or the tech sector, and they take all the stuff they learned at the Marxist you know, training ground known as Columbia and other colleges campus, right,

and then they destroy whatever industry they go work for, whether it be the media or whatever it is. It's just like a recycling thing. It really is, and it was. There were some comical aspects to this thing too. To listen to these idiots explain, try to explain what they're they're there for. There was one and maybe we can get the clip where. Uh the reporter asked this one young lady, well, what why are you out here? She got, well, you know, then she looks at

her friend. She looks at and you can google this. It's on it's on there. She looks at her friendstance, why are we here? Uh? Let me let me say this. There is some good news and all of this and I wanted to share this. I already shared it with you. I want to share it with our listeners. Not every college president is a wuss. There is a college president. His name happens to be Ben Sass. He is the president of the University of Florida. He is a

former Nebraska US Center. That sounded really fun. Yeah, okay, it's it's just a paragraph, but man reads really well. Okay, here we go. This is Ben Sas, the president of the University of Florida. Actions have consequences at the University of Florida. We have repeatedly, patiently explained two things to protesters. We will always defend your rights to free speech and free assembly, but if you cross the line on clearly prohibited activities, you

will be thrown off campus and suspended. In Gainesville. That means a three year probation to secret probation, prohibition from campus. Then he goes on to say, that's serious. We said it. Listen to this. We meant it. This is the best part. We enforced it. We wish we didn't have to, but the students weighed the cost, made their decisions, and will own the consequences as adults. We are a university, not a daycare. We don't coddle emotions, wrestle with ideas. Hey, that's like

I feel like I'm in church. That's just preaching right there. Man. You know what I even put in the weather aside. I want to pack my car and move. Yeah, they're not. They're not gonna put up with this down there. But I will say one thing, and I Sherik I think is her last name, I can't remember, of Columbia. She's another serial plagiarist. She as you recall, she went in front of Congress when at least Dephonic absolutely excoriated all of the presidents of the universities. And

let's keep in mind how long ago that was. This anti Semitic nonsense on the college campus has been going on for three months or so, and literally since the since maybe three days after the October seventh, the Thanks, we've been dealing with this, and that's none of them have done anything. But she has to resign, and I really don't see how she holds on at

this point. But but at some point, these colleges have got to be held accountable, and if that means defunding them, especially if there's a Republican administration after this with a Republican House, if that means taking federal funding from the universities, then do it. You know, I heard somebody, I forget who it was, a commentator who was asked the question, what in the world do we do about higher education? And he said, what you

said, but he added this, and he's right. It's got to be the trustees of the university, the ones that are appointed by the governor or some political appointment. As you know, I served on the board of the University of Cincinnati. It's about twenty years ago. But we had a good president. We didn't have any of this nonsense. But the board, the board of trustees, has to keep an eye out for what's going on on

these universities or you know, we're going to be screwed with that. Well, the one thing that gives me hope is I can't remember what day it

was. It was maybe Tuesday or Wednesday this week. I'm sitting there watching TV when I go home from work, and I see these these frat boys at the University of North Carolina. Did you see that where they walk in with my kid and they raise the American flag and I'm like, they keep showing this picture of all of them, and then there's this one kid turned around who's videotaping the protesters around him, and he's just got this bleep eating grin on his face, and I'm like, man, that should be that's

gonna be my generations. Like the Ewajima flag going down, is all these all these kids go And that's the one thing you like. And then you saw at the University of North Carolina. The president of the university was out there with those kids helping to do that. So there are some of them

are are you know, doing the right thing. But again, it's just astonishing that in twenty twenty four you have stuff like this going on, and protests are fine, but when you're trying to intimidate Jewish students, that's that's astonishing. Well, let me ask you something. And we've talked about this, but and I got a few years on you, obviously, did you have any idea of the level of anti Semitism in this country? Because I gotta tell you, yeah, I didn't. Yeah, well I do.

We're here in Cincinnati. I do a local show Sunday nights before Willie, and I've been saying anybody who listens to me, they'll tell you. I've been saying it for months and months, maybe years and years before October seventh,

which is the Democrat Party has a serious anti Semitism problem. So I know own it right right and you And it's because you had stuff for the last seven or eight years, Rashida talib ilhan Omar saying patently anti Semitic offensive stuff, and nobody, no, not Nancy Pelosi, not not Joebama or Joe Biden and Barack Obama, nobody in Democrat leadership ever called them out on

it. So I knew that Democrats were anti Semitic. Anybody you know who's been around for the last time, I mean, that's what I'm to see. The way that it has just exploded. I didn't I thought it was just a few kooks in the Democrat Party, right. I didn't think it was their entire base. And it's frightening, it's scating when you think about it. I mean, do these kids are they about six million dead? Public public schools. Every single kid in America and in junior high or high

school literally takes an entire course on the Holocaust. So these kids that have all gone out there have taken an entire course. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, it's mandated. They must have been they must have been sleeping, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's the other thing too. It's more than the quote students unquote the majority and I think pretty much the overwhelming majority of people that were out there protesting and rioting, they're

not students. Just a couple examples here Mike University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the police arrested thirty people, only ten were students. Ohio State this week thirty six arrested, only sixteen were students. Northeastern University ninety eight arrested, only twenty nine were students. But I see, I think, and look, those are some schools. But the stuff that I saw when they're pulling the masks off them, these are students. These are some of

those numbers. I'm not sure about because when I see these kids, they take their mass off when they're finally getting arrested. I don't see crazy activists. I see, I see students. But I mean, what do you expect when you're coming out of an indoctrination place like college? Amen? And not only college, it starts in grade school and goes through high school. Now, hey, listen, we have to take a short break. If you want to be a part of this. Eight six six six four seven

seven three three seven, give us a call. Mike Allen Mike Allen Junior in for Willie Live on Sunday Night. Hey, we're back, Mike Allen Junior, Mike Allen Senior Live on Sunday Night with Willie. We are talking about this insanity on the college campus. And Dad, you wanted to talk about some well, yeah, and that these guys are saying the cops. The way they treat the cops. I mean, it's just unbelievable, the cops. It's just like last summer, right right, you know, just

to give you an idea, these liberal ya who's on the campus. I read this this week. This lefty by the name of Saul Staniforth tweeted out on x this week about the campus riots. Quote It's hard to overstate the degree of outrage and betrayal of the faculty. The outrage who cares anyway? Going on? The irony that, in the name of student safety, the encampment will be facing a you're ready, militarized police invasion. It's hard to

say how fully many of the faculty are finding this. You know, what can I tell you some I don't give a tinker's damn what the faculty thinks about it. Yeah, they're literally, and I mean this quite literally. The only thing more arrogant than a college professor is a law professor. But I'm telling you, but what we were talking about, this stuff is going to Cary what is it now? May the conventions are coming up. I'm telling you right now, if Joe Biden does not get the ceasefire that he

desperately needs. This is going to go into the convention, no doubt, just like in nineteen sixty eight. It's in Chicago, and God help us.

And you know what happened in Chicago. There was riots right outside the convention and a lot of people I think that ended up voting for Nixon saw that, and that was what pushed them over the other Roques for Nixon because and I'm telling you right now, if it's the same thing a bunch of idiot kids dressed like terrorists outside the convention in Chicago, Donald Trump's going to

just run away with this damn thing, you know what. And it's interesting that they picked Chicago because you talk about the perils, right and you know, you think about it. I just wonder if there'd be any way we can channel Mayor Daily to come back Mayor Daily about the thing. Far as a thing from uh Mayor Daily. They've got the channel back the Chicago PD, you know, and they're talking about the way the cops handled it. If anything, I thought the response, frankly, was a little too mild.

One more of these these idiots here. There's a guy named Vulker Turk who happens to be the UN Human Rights Chief. He said this this week quote, I am concerned that some of law enforcement's actions across a series of universities appeared disproportionate in their impacts the Well, no, they didn't say that yet, you know, they didn't say that. But here's the thing,

and you probably already know this. If there is one thing that binds the left together, and it's always then this way, is their hatred of police. Yeah yeah, I mean I just think they hate everybody. I mean, if you stop and think about it, it's not just police, it's literally anybody who is not some ism part of the LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign. Basically, if you're just white and straight, they hate you. Well, and they don't make any bones about that. They hate food with

gluten. Yeah, yeah, that's you see that the door dash, Well, I like the one where they're trying to get the pizza up to the uh they're trying to get the pizza roped up to the top and they can't get it into the milk rate. It's like, good God, But these are America's best and brighter Oh yes, yes, And they're so dedicated as long as they get their non gluten food. Yeah, of course, of course, I don't know. I'll tell you. You know, you see this stuff, and I mean, I worry about this country. I guess

that's probably an understate. Well, you stop and think about it. In sixty eight when they went nuts at the convention, I remember watching that with my Well, what happened was Nixon one and they all got forced underground, right, and then you probably remember this in the early seventies, at one point there was a bombing every fives I'm telling you, they were tearing it

out right, weather underground of black panthers, et cetera. What what I guess my question is is what makes us think that these people aren't any different that if Donald Trump wins this election, they see that as an existential threat to democracy? Is it such a far cry to go? They're taking over buildings now, they're going to be setting off bombs a year from now.

I don't think that's an exaggerated stretch either. I'm telling you, I mean, the the parallels are definitely there, and you're right about what happened in the early seventies. I mean, things were blowing up all over the place. The Symbinese liberation army, all these ya who's But again, I think so much of it, Mike, And I guess I'm just saying what you already know and everybody else does. It's all about the damn indoctrination, which

now starts in grade school and goes through high school. Any parent who does not look at their child's Civics book, citizenship book, if they dare to teach that to see what's going on, they're crazy. Yeah. Yeah, And it's like you said, these are people that are out, you know, intimidating Jewish kids trying to go to class, all in the name of a terrorist organization. But these are kids that, literally to all of them, were mandated taking a specific class on the Holocaust. That's what just floors

me. Well, you know what, you taught me something I didn't know. Frankly, that only makes it worse. And you know what, I'd like to ask one of them. I wish somebody would when they're out there talking about Palestine and the mosque being so great, blah blah blah, you know the genocide over there that is the most offensive. Excuse me a minute, did you ever hear of October the seventh? You know, fifteen hundred people, napped, babies beheaded, grandmother's raped. I guess, you know,

we don't need to worry about that. So when I hear that, I think the best idea is to dress up just like them and to go out in the middle of street and chant for them. I mean, that's just what's amazing about all of it. But yeah, and that's the thing is you wonder where the administration is, You wonder where the professors are, And here we have it, the professors. I think a Columbia actually formed a line around these people to try to protect them. But what I want

to know is who's paying for this stuff? He's paying for the tents, well, keeping them fed? Who's keeping them supplied? That's my question? Well, the ply would, I mean, those things cost money. I was watching something over the weekend where the cops were scooping them all up. These are some like really nice tents, you know, And I think at the end of the day, and they're already figuring this out, it comes down to the usual suspects to with one George Soros and some of these others.

Yeah. Yeah, And that's the other thing too, is you know, we figured out who January sixth rioders were within I don't know a day of this. Oh yeah, if they can find January sixth riders, we'll be able to find these riders well if they care to. Quick question before we break, where in the heck is the FBI? Where is the DOJ? Too busy prosecutors? Anyway, we gotta take a break when we get back your calls Mike Allan, Mike Allen Jr. Live on Sunday Night.

Hey, we're back, Mike Allen, Mike Allen Jr. Live on Sunday Night. You know I'm gonna go to the calls here, Mike, like I said it was. But before before I do that, I gotta throw this out here. Did you happen to see some of the demands that these little snow boats made they across the board, but some were just okay, let me just give you some. They demand knee and elbow pads. Glove Now, I don't get this, gloves without reinforced knuckles. I don't get

that. They wanted rope, they wanted helmets, they wanted non steroid inhlers, and make no mistake, hot food for lunch, however, it better be gluten free. Damn straight and package food. Uh, listen to this, no package food, no bagels. I wonder why I was discussed it really is. It just shows the level of the immaturity of these clowns. Let's let's talk to Enzo in New York. Hey, Enzo, how you doing. I'm doing great. You guys have a great show there tonight.

Thank you, thank you. Oh I love it. I mean you're hitting it right on point. Hey, whyn't we just do this? Why don't we just take all those students that are that are protesting and give them a gun, let them send them over to the Middle East and see they makeout. Yeah, right, good luck with that. Let's take them, like you guys said, let's take the funding away from them, because it's our

taxpayer of money that's paying for their schooling, absolutely, you know. And then and then find the parents a million dollars for every for every child they have in school that's protesting, period. I like that. And you know what, some of these ivy leaguers could afford that too. Of course they can't, of course. So I think I listen, I think I think every one of those those kids that are that are spoiled, rotten, and

I think it's owed to them. Let's put them in jail, just like those so called the insurrection January. Those people still haven't gotten the court date yet, right right, and confinement the ones that have been sent and said, And Mike and I both are criminal defense lawyers. Yeah, the punishments

so distant. Yeah, you know, disgusting, disgusting, which means that Merrick Garland when he's told by H Joe Biden to get tough, he can you know the other thing too, And so throughout this whole thing, have you heard one peep one word out of our attorney generally about this, not once, not once. And they're making terrorst stretch like that the old Mala crazy woman over there in Chicago. I mean, these people are these these

are not representatives, are insane. They're fueling the fire. It's ridiculous if we were if we were to do that, if we were to do that, as uh you know some of the conservatives, we'd be in jail by now, trying to hold us contempt, right right, right, Really it's a bad situation, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, And so appreciate the call, buddy, thank you. Yeah, that's that's the point, is is mark my words, we don't need another

example of a two tier justice system. But mark my words, mark my words. And we already know if they wanted to find these people, the d o J and the FBI can find them. And and I guarantee you, I can guarantee you six months from now, there will be no federal charges, there will be no you know, congressional and create none of that because we all know that Merrick Ireland in the Department of Justice and the FBI are there. They're only interested in locking up and going after people on the

right. Well, we don't need another example. Christopher Ray, you know he's not that, he's not camera shy. Where has he been on this? Not a word? And you know what, Mike, I mean, there's so many sad aspects of this, but one of the saddest is the reason a lot of this stuff is happening. And some might say it's simplistic. I don't think it is all because Joe Biden wants to pick up Muslim

votes in Michigan. Yeah, I mean that is just reprehensible, right right, But that's the thing is he's lose lose no matter what, because did you see the college where They had the pro Israeli and anti Israeli protests, all of them chant F Joe Biden. That's the only thing that they can agree on. You had the leftist protesters and the right protesters channing f but F Joe Biden. Hey, I don't think he has a clue. Yes, but that's the thing too. And then you see his response to this.

It is the trademark of Joe Biden. There's two things. Unbelievably late and he gets it wrong. And what happened this time he was two weeks too late before he said anything about this right, and then when he said it, it was just some mealy mouth. Also Islamophobia and to throw that in, didn't he That don't get him what forty to fifty votes? And yeah in Michigan. Yeah, it's pretty astonishing. And that's the thing is, why would you want votes from people who hate this country? I just

well, because he just wants to remain in power. Hey, let's talk to russ in Indiana. Hey, Rush, how you doing, man? Hey, guys, how's it going? Good? Good? What you got gred? Hear you? Hear you back on the on the radio. Thank you, sir. I call it a while back, and but it's just crazy in terms of the political situation and the campus protests that are going on. But you guys probably remember what happened back in the day with Kent State.

Yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem like history kind of repeat itself. I mean, over and over and over, the same things are happening. But one thing I wanted to ask you about, why don't we hear more about the sensible center instead? It doesn't the left and the right all the time. It's just right. Sometimes I wonder if it's even there anymore. I mean, as far as the center, you can't find a moderate Democrat

with a search warrant. But that's a very good question. I mean, what do you think, Mike, Yeah, I mean if you take a look at it and you see the polling in this everybody's always talked about after election after election about the coveted independent voter, and those numbers just keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller. So yeah, I mean, I think we're just that polarized. There is no middle at this point, and that's why the center won't hold at some point. No, at some point, and

I'll tell you what, in my lifetime and We've discussed this. In my wildest dreams, did I ever think that there would be college students supporting a group like a moss murders, thugs and killers and being overtly anti semitic to Jews. I would not have thought that. But when you've seen the squad say whatever the hell they want about Jews without anybody in the Democrat leadership condemning them for it, what can we expect? You know? Good point.

Hey, we got Joe in New Hampshire. He wanted to talk about an ABC poll that came out today about the Democratic Convention. Hey, Joe, tell us about that. Hi, Mike, Hi Mike. How are you doing man? Good? Good? Hey great? You work well together. Great, We've been doing it for about thirty seven years, so I figured something good together. Hey, a few things I called. Because that ABC poll, any any poll from ABC, CNN, MSNBC, you can add

five even ten points to the Trump count. Yeah, because they oversample Democrats, et cetera, et cetera. So they come out and say it's basically a dead heat. They're really tight, which is ridiculous at this point. Well, Joe, but if they do it on the issues, you know who do you support on the economy, on immigration, Trump is up by ten points on those things. Well, I was, I was just about

to say. They went on to say that, you know, other points, Trump is way ahead, but they said on one important issue Biden is way ahead on is integrity and honesty. And that is so ridiculous. It's unreal because the Biden, the Biden crime family, it's well known on the laptop, all these uh you know, kickbacks, you even go back to

when he's in college or law school. The plagiarism. I mean, this guy's just been a bs or for what I mean, what we haven't heard anything lately about you know, his family and stuff and millions of dollars in their integrity. Give me a break. Where is the DOJ and the FBI on that. I'm telling you you're talking about movies dollars that makes water look like Tiddley wings. Yeah. All the all the national news, mainstream news

networks all day long and tonight they're reporting the ABC poll. It's neck and neck. Trump's ahead on you know, all the points that we know about, He's significantly ahead. But the one point that's significant that Biden is way ahead on his integrity and honesty, and the voters, you know, think a lot of that. So you know the ABC poll is a fraud. Just to say that, Yeah, you know, it makes it. It really does. But you know the interesting thing, Joe Trump is always complain

about Fox News polls because he thinks that they undersample him too. So who knows, you know what, there's the margin of er and everything else. Yeah, here's the other important thing that came out this weekend. They have RFK at about twelve to thirteen percent of we polled, and he's increasing and a lot of people that I've talked to you say he could end up with twenty. But again, bid into such an honest, integrity person, but

he won't provide RFK with secret Service protection. Isn't that amazing? Look happened to his father, right? I mean, why would it shock anybody who who had literally goes after and has indicted his political opponents, Not just Donald Trump, he's the FBI's gone after Catholics, Christians, anti abortion groups. I mean, it's it's stuff that shocks you but doesn't surprise you, if that makes sense, you know what I mean. It shocks you because that

stuff's always shocking, But it doesn't surprise me. Sometimes I think about in dream world. Yeah, I have a very important question I'd like to ask both of you. And if you say you don't want to go there, I understand. I've asked this of a lot of talk show hosts across the country the past few months, and most of them don't want to go there. But let's say, you know, they're been I'm putting Donald Trump in jail even for twenty minutes, I judge in New York, I contempt the

court. He's threatening jail time Georgia. They want to you know, end up. But my question is this, if Donald Trump was put in jail even for twenty four hours, so it's the secret service that he's provided right now follow him into the jail to make sure that Jeff Epstein doesn't happen. Good question. I heard that brought up. I didn't know there's an answer

from what I've heard, and I don't have a source on this. I just know it's been kind of the you know, the the going thing here is yes, he would get he would and I think that what would happen is is there would be some sort of deal work where he would probably do some type of House arrest. But conceivably Donald Trump could be president from a New York jail cell. That's unbelievable. It's unreal to me that the commander

in chief could be in an eight by eight New York. Maybe he'll he'll get one of those deals like good Fellows, wine and steak medium rare an aristocrat. You know, we laugh about it, but it makes us no different than Chile, you know below. Yeah, No, I've been saying it for us. Yeah, I've been saying it for months years at this point where we lit there is nothing now that the justice system and you and I Dad were defense attorneys. We know this. Once the justice system's gone,

we have gone off the rails. Man, it really is. Yeah, Hey, listen, we got to take a break, but we'll be back and we'll go back to the phones. And by the way, if you want to be a part of it. Eight six six six four seven seven three three seven. Mike Allen Mike Allen Junior Live on Sunday Night with Not with Bill Cunning and Bill will be back next week. Hey, we're back. Mike Allen Junior Mike Allen Senior Live on Sunday Night in for Willie

We're gonna take some calls here real quick. We got John, John, and Cleveland thinks we're being too kind or not hard enough on the protesters. John, what's going on up in Cleveland? Brother, John? Letter rip? Man? I'm I'm atural you'dn't want me a letter rip in that direction.

But I think that this is this is a major, vast conspiracy by the military industrial revisiting of the nineteen fifties MacArthur hearings h and to create a system of a multiplication sphear and disinformation against anyone who criticizes the US or Israel's

war policies. We're back to Joe McCarthy now, and the new word is not blaming comedies, but blaming anti Semites, which has nothing to do with these protests against genocidal That many Jews are among those protesters, and they're against it because they don't want to be associated with that kind of bombing of forty thousand. I gotcha, I got you, John. I appreciate your point of view, man, I really do. Yeah, he talks about Joe McCarthy. Let me tell you something, Joe McCarthy, I know he was

not bad. Well, they opened up the files when the Soviet Union collapsed. And guess what a lot of what he said was right. Yeah, but we talk about what they're doing to January sixth people and the right and stuff like that, and I just we can't say that January sixth prosecutors are going too far. And then back with Carthy, all I'm saying is all the same. And I'm not saying I back him. I'm just saying the man is just he's criticized till the cows come on. And he wasn't all

bad. No, but there is and like I guess, like communism, there is a structure to this. I mean, and and you and I were talking about this before, is who the hell is paying for all of this? Well, he's paying for the tech. Like there's something there is and you and I talk about it all the time. Is you say what you want about the Democrats in the left, they are organized the minute something happens. There is this massive movement of it. And it's just they have

their act together in a big way. But here's their achilles foot heel. I mean, you and I talked about this too. They just can't help themselves. No, they always have to go too far in their arrogance,

thinking that they're right about everything. They always overdo it. What blows me away is this is you have mainstream Democrats, you know, whether it's people in Congress or whatever, talking heads that are coming out, even like you know, Mika and Joe on MSNBC coming out and saying these protests don't help.

They're going to get Donald Trump elected. And these same people will show up at the Chicago convention and probably riot and probably protests, and then when Donald Trump is elected because of their violent protests, then they'll lose their mind. It is so it blows me away that they don't realize that their actions right now are going to put Donald Trump back into the ovall history repeating itself. Yeah, and then they'll they'll go nuts over that. It just don't

make any sense. Well, I tell you the point you made. Who's paying for it? I think Congress are are are very slight Republican majority. I think they're going to rank up the Judiciary Committee or one of them and get to the bottom of it as best they can. Yeah, And that's like I said, Within twenty four hours of January sixth, people they knew everybody, they knew where they shop. The banks were giving over people's debit card purchases and stuff like that. If they wanted to find out, they

could find out. But I won't hold my breath because we've seen how the Justice Department. Do you think it might be a two tier justice system? I mean when the guys who's running against you is looking at like seven hundred years of prison. Yeah, and that's the other thing too. You got to wonder, and we're going to talk to Steve about the trial is is you think they really wanted this one to be the one that's right before the election. Well, we shall see. Hey, we got to take a

break and we get back. We're going to talk to legal analyst extraordinary, Steve Gooden. Steve's a former federal prosecutor, military prosecutor, and county prosecutor. He's been watching the trial since the very very beginning and he's an excellent, excellent legal analyst. And I think you're going to want to hear what he says, sir, And we'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen, Mike Allen Jr. We will talk to Steve when we get back.

I don't know you said you saw something just before Mike as we got the TVs on here in a room. What was it about, uh about Trump? Something about oh yeah, he's got something's going on with the feds. They they said something about how some of the evidence coming in and we can maybe talk to Steve about this is getting thrown out of the classified documents. The oh okay, yeah, yeah, they're admitting it. So finally we'll ask him about that, and we'll do that when we get back.

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and only Bill Cunningham. Bo I'm sorry, not Bill Cunningham. You got Mike Allen, Mike Allen Jr. And we are still working on our first Marconi. Yeah, maybe we can split one. Yeah, there you go. Hey, listen, we had the Manhattan hush money trial. It really got kicking gear this week. I think it's the third week when you count jury selection, which I was surprised how quickly they got a Joyeah, you know, I've shocked to even got one. I know, I know it's

going to be interesting. But anyway, we are going to talk to a man who's been following this thing from Jump, and that's legal analyst extraordinary, Steve Gooden. Steve's a former federal prosecutor, a military former military prosecutor, former county prosecutor. He is now with the law firm Porter right in Cincinnati. Steve, thanks for calling in, Hey, thanks for having me, Mike and Mike my pleasure. Hey, can you just kind of give us

a rundown of where things stand with the trial? Now? Yeah, you know, it's one of the strangest trials really in American history. It's a thirty four count and dyet that's kind of based on this concept that Trump and basically falsified a series of business records to high payments he made to Stormy Daniels into the National Inquirer to help cover up other alleged affairs or indiscretions that he might have had. And it's the whole concept here. Is that those funds

would have been campaign contributions had they not been masked as legal fees. So that's really the whole grabaman of the case. It's this idea that he hid these personal indiscretions not for personal reasons, but for political reasons. And his defense is bluntly what they're calling the Milania defense, which is, you know, I had other reasons to keep these things quiet. Yes, absolutely,

and that's really what his attorneys previewed in their opening statements. So we're about two and a half weeks into the prosecution's case, and it's a very interesting one, and that you know, two of their key witnesses are Michael Cohen, who who has now been a convicted perjurer and someone who has admitted to

campaign finance violations and has actually served from jail time. And Stormy Daniels, who apparently did have some sort of affair with Trump or encounter with Trump, and is also you know, works in the sex industry and in the borne

industry, so their credibility isn't the best. So what these prosecutors are very smartly doing is they're trying to minimize the impact of their testimony by calling a bunch of other witnesses from what I would call Trump World, people who were friendly with Trump, to try to build sort of a predicative facts around so that we're really not so the jury isn't wholly reliant upon these two individuals, Cohen and Stormy Daniels, who are going to get obviously eviscerated on cross examination.

So that's where we are, and really what happened last you know, the first witness was and again you can't make this stuff up, but getting Nelson Pecker, who formerly was the publisher of the National Inquirer, who was one of Trump's really good friends and who helped facilitate some of these payments. We also heard very quickly from another lawyer who was sort of engaged in this. But Friday was kind of the first real strong witness who was from the

formerly from the Trump inner circle. Her name was Hope Hicks, and Hope Hicks had gone to work for Trump in the Trump organization before he got into politics, basically right out of college. She was the only only boss she'd ever had. She was part of his press operation. She basically ran the press operation for the campaign in twenty sixteen and then went on to the White House with him, left briefly and then came back to the White House again

in twenty nineteen and twenty to help with that campaign. And her testimony was both good and bad for Trump. I mean, she basically testified that, yes, we where I was, we were, we were aware of these allegations that Trump would often overrule us and put out his own tweets and press releases, which seems very consistent with everything that we've heard. So she did put him right in the mix of making decisions about what the public would know

and wouldn't know. But at the same time, on cross examination, she broke down and cried, and she told the story that I that seemed very impactful about how worried Trump was about Malania hearing about this, and that the day that this broke in the press, he actually instructed the doorman at Trump Tower to pull all the newspapers so that Milania wouldn't, you know, possibly see right. So, so you know, that was that was a powerful, powerful moment as well. So she she kind of, you know,

she gave to both sides here. She clearly did kind of at least advance the idea the prosecution wanted her to advance, which was that there were some campaign considerations here, sure in terms of why they did this, but also she she also you know, basically kind of gave some help to the defense by saying, well, but it was more complicated than that, Steve. Another you know, sort of side show to this entire circus is the gag

order. Judge Murshawn slapped Trump with thousands of dollars and sanctions and even threatened him with incarceration for future violations of this gag order, all the while Michael Cohen is free to talk trash to Donald Trump over social media until he's blue in the face. In my view, and you know, we're all lawyers here. In my view, the order and even the sanctions with the order are wildly, for lack of a better term, unconstitutional. What are your

thoughts on that, Well, you know they're there. I don't know if they're unconstitutional per se, but they're certainly unworkable here. Now. You know, I've practiced it in New York a bit. You know, I prohacked in there over the years, and they're very limited, the judges in New York in terms of what they can do for criminal contempt. You can basically find someone three thousand dollars per time or give them up to thirty days in jail. So that's really all this guy can do. And gag orders in

criminal cases, you know, they're not that uncommon. But we've never had a situation in our two hundred and thirty four years as a constitutional democracy in which a presidential candidate has been on final Yeah. Okay, so during a campaign, right, So that's where the constitutional overlay has to come in.

I mean Trump's team has chosen not to litigate this. I mean I think there would be an argument that there's a federal, a constitutional case that could be brought here, but of course the timing is such that it doesn't make a lot of sense probably for them. But yes, I mean, his rights as a candidate to political speech should trump anything that this gag order puts in place. I mean, typically gag orders in a criminal case are there

to avoid people disparaging or threatening or intimidating witnesses. We have a case where at least three or four of the people are public figures. I mean, this Nelson Pecker guy's a public figure, as you alluded to. Michael Cohen actually has a podcast in which he called me a kulpa, and he talks about the case NonStop. That's how he meets his living now is as a

podcaster. And Stormy Daniels apparently has a like a three or four hour documentary series about her life in the case in Trump that's on Netflix right now. So they seem to be not only able to talk about it, but talk about it for profit. And Trump is, of course totally can't do anything. He was fine nine thousand dollars last week, which is a drop in

the bucket. But I found this fascinating. On Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Secret Service has had meetings about what to do if Trump is actually given thirty days in jail's criminal contempt, because they would have to provide protection for him there. And I can't see now Mershan is conflicted and has his own issues this judge, But again, I cannot see him pulling a presidential candidate off the campaign trail and putting him in jail for a court

order that arguably conflicts with his rights to political speech. So it's the bizarre. It's the bizarre. We're in an upside down world. Yeah, we are talking to legal analysts. Steve Gooden Steve you alluded to just before Judge Mersham's conflicts. Of course, you know that lawyers obviously can't have any impropriety if you will, with their client's dealings with them and everything else. And we also have to avoid the appearance of impropriety. This guy's daughter, and

Trump's been all over it. She's a consult political consultant. She raised ninety three million bucks and use this case in solicitation emails. She works for or did at least one time work for Adam Shiff It's amazing, and the judge contributed to Joe Biden's twenty twenty campaign. Now, in fairness, it was only fifteen bucks, but still, Oh, it's the appearance of impropriety. Your thoughts on that, well, I think their approach is there's nothing to

see here. No, of course, there's an obvious appearance of impropriety, and I just under the laws of a lot of different states, I don't see how Mrshaunt could stay on the case. But again, there's there's been this awful appearance of political impropriety about this case from the beginning. I mean recalled like the federal prosecutors looked at this whole campaign finance theory and passed on this case. Yeah, but yet an elected prosecutor, Alan Brat took the

case and he's brought it forward. So there's there's politics right there. Mershawn is an elected judge and a deep blue city, you know, in New York City, in Manhattan proper. So I mean, I mean, nothing surprises me here. But no, I mean I think most judges, certainly most elected state court judges throughout the country, if they had a daughter who was involved in this in political activity, that alone would be enough reason for

them to step aside just so their judgment wouldn't be questioned. What's really fascinating and what could be a teed up for tomorrow morning is over the weekend, Trump, using his truth social retweeted a Steve Bannon clip going after Mershaw's daughter. It's almost like he's sort of just putting his thumb right in the judges. I have to see what he'll do in terms of the gag order. So that happened on Saturday, it happened yesterday, So we'll see what the

judge has to say about it. Tomorrow. I'll get Trump will be hey, I didn't say it, but I'm kind of retweeting it and reposting it. It's pretty tough stuff. So we'll see, we'll see what happens. But that's like heve that very much he's aware of and it's one of the reasons I think when you look at the polling that a lot of people seem to be giving Trump the benefit of the doubt about this. I see that the judge is an issue. They see the prosecutors an issue, and they

read these charges and they don't really understand them. I mean, they very uncommon sort of legal theory to go after someone, certainly on a criminal basis. Yep, it's Steve, you know, like you we were talking about before. Obviously the man we're all waiting for is Michael Cohen. It looks like the state may be close to wrapping it up. I'm guessing he's probably going to be the last witness, or one of the last ones. I would imagine, how much longer do you think this thing's going to go?

And when do you think we'll see Michael Cohen? Well, a lot of the experts seem to think that it's going to probably the prosecution case goes another two weeks, So I mean, if you remember this judge does not he has a civil docket on Wednesdays. Yeah, so he only goes four days a week, and he goes eight thirty to four thirty and stops properly at four thirty. So there's a lot of stops and starts, and then there's usually about a half a day somewhere to talk about contempt in that. So

you really got about three and a half days of testimony a week. Now, if these guys are going to follow the regular sort of like the even though they're not federal prosecutors, it's there's a former federal prosecutions involved in this case. The typical playbook will be to try to make Michael Cohen what they call a sandwich witness, which, as you know, you got to call him, but he's difficult. You're going to try to put him in between

some really good ones. So I think it's conceivable that they call him toward the end of this coming week. Just again, I wouldn't want to end with him, and I sure wouldn't want to begin with him, So I would want to put he and Miss Daniels in there somewhere in the middle around more credible non felons to try to capture their testimony, so you don't end on that note. Stee, We're running out of time here, but I want to ask you this question. I think we got a little bit under

a minute. Do you think there is any way on this earth that he is acquitted of these charges? You know, I think there is a possibility.

And again I'm sort of in the minority of that, but I keep looking at that John Edwards case in twenty twelve or twenty thirteen North Carolina, where he was charged with essentially the same thing, a different set of laws, but he was accused of using actual campaign dollars, not personal dollars like nd IT here, but campaign dollars to basically pay off a mistress with whom he had had a child during the campaign two ten or twelve campaign, and

he was acquitted, wasn't there He was acquitted, Well, he was acquitted on one count and they deadlocked on the jury deadlocked on the others, and then they just adopted not to retry him. And his defense was essentially a version of the Milannia defense, which was, hey, I didn't want to tell my wife and who was very sick at the time and actually passed away shortly after the charges were brought, so you know, the jury, the jury really struggled with it. And and a lot of this I think will

depend on whether or not Trump indeed testifies and asserts that defense. And I think that's a very real possibility. And remember these in the lawsuit about the NDA that she signed. You know, his lawyers have essentially admitted what happened. I do. I think he's really going to be in the position to deny that something happened between he and Stormy. Yeah, it'll it'll be interesting, Steve. Unfortunately we're out of time, but we should spend more time

on this. But really appreciate your input on this. Obviously you've been watching this thing closely and I'm sure we'll be checking in with you again. Hey, it's my privilege. Thanks gentlemen. Good evening, Okay, you too, Thank you. Mike Allan, Mike Allen Jr. In for the Great American Bill Cunningham. Got to take a break. We'll be back. We are back, Mike Allan, Mike Allen Jr. In for the Great American Willie Cunningham, who will be back next Sunday. That was a good interview

with Steve don't you think that was his stuff? Man, I'll tell you what. He pays attention to it. Yeah, it is, uh anything you disagree with that, he said, Uh No, It's just the thing it's just been astonishing to me is how this entire thing a was indicted. How you stretch thirty four counts into one transaction. I mean it's like each count is one dot of an I and cross of a T or something like that. But so you have a judge that's totally conflicted, I mean absolutely

conflicted. You have a prosecutor that is taking the place of a guy in Alan Bragg that his predecessor didn't bring the charge, the federal government didn't bring the charge. You're prosecuting a federal crime in state court. Does happen? Right? And then on top of all of it, you slap a gag order on a guy who's running for president how many months out from the election.

I mean, it's just that's the thing is you and I have talked about this, and everybody knows it, but you and I really know this. When you lose the justice system, when you lose the appearance of fairness in the justice system, you are now living in a Banana Republic. This is third world crap, that's what it's turning into. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it really is. Let me ask you what I asked Steve,

and I know you followed it too. Do you think given the jury and they got two lawyers on the jury, which is interesting, But given the jury, and given the fact that I think the district is like ninety two percent voted for Biden, do you see any chance of an acquittal? Yeah? Yeah, And it's simply for the reason that you and I both know is you never know what a jury's gonna do you know what I mean.

I mean, it's just that means like a tagging, right, they could tag him, but the answer they could they find him not guilty. Yeah, And I think it is if you're on this jury, you have to be able to ask yourself what's more important to me my own partisan bull crap or the legitimacy of the system. And I find it very hard to believe that that many people. There's not you know, a fair amount of them that could say hey, and you know, you look at some of

the ones that during juris selection, Donald Trump's attorneys bounced a lot. They seem like they and then they found out that, you know, they had some seated that had backgrounds that people didn't know about, and they yanked them off the jury. So I mean, yeah, I mean anything could happen. I don't think so. If I had to make a prediction, I think they're going to hang. That's exactly what I think too. And you mentioned something that I had forgotten about. His attorneys really did work the dire

process. I mean even to the point where, from what I understand, all the potential jurors, they got their social media history. Yeah, and in front of them with it. And you know what, you and I both be in trial lawyers. I'm afraid that that's the future. Yeah, this kind of stuff. Yeah, And that's the other thing you talk about the future is where does this end? I mean truly, where does this

end? Because you ask yourself, could it be that maybe an attorney general or a county prosecutor in a deep Trump state when Joe Biden leaves office, decides to indict him in multiple jurisdictions. I mean that this is just a flagrant, flagrant abuse of power. You know as well as I do. In politics, there's this thing called payback, and it's sure as the sun rises tomorrow, you're going to have it, and it's going to be a problem. Well. Hey, even prosecutors a few months ago said Joe Biden's

an old man that can't be processing. Oh that's right, he's probably not mentally compens You familiar the senile old man defense. Yeah, like Junior, listen, we gotta take a break. We'll be back. Mike Allen, Mike Allen Junior in for Willy. They we're back. Mike Allen Junior, Mike Allen Senior in for Willie on Sunday nights. Let's go to the calls here. Let's talk to h Edward in Tampa Bay. Edward wants to talk about immigration. What's going on? Edward? How you doing? Yeah,

thank you guys. Well formerly of Chicago. It's going to be my one year anniverse in a couple of weeks. You made it out alive and without any bullet holes. So congratulating. Billy knows me. I've been calling him for years. But let me move on here to Mexico on the Sinko to Mao Day. Yeah, this speedboat and this has happened a second time. Newport Beach, California. Uh, let's speaking of finding people, let's hope

they find those illegals that jumped off that speedboat. Yes, and speaking of Chicago, Uh, they believe this kid three years old got took it from one of the shelters. Surprise, surprise. And in Mexico. This is uh. I just saw this on the Spanish news as uh. You guys were on break Uh the Australian to Australians and the American. Apparently what they're saying is that they were going for their tires in that car jacking over there. Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. That's so horrible.

So it's just why are we even still going? Be said, it's celebrating to go to Maya. Why are we still going to Mexico? There's so many other places that you can I'll be honest. Here in the US, I think I would think twice before going on vacation down there. Man, you love it down there. I do love it there. Used to be. I think it's Dan taking Americans. I think they have they're pretty competent, they have the wins of the back. They have a weak administration,

unlike the previous administration that they could just pick on anybody. Yeah, even Americans. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, Edward. And that's the thing too, you were out there Americans, Yeah you're Americans. Yeah, yeah yeah. And that's the the all bets are off at the border at this point. I mean, the cartels know that they run the show and they can just do whatever the hell they want. You know, they're not scared on anybody. No hell nos, back in there. They'll have second

thoughts there you go. Yeah, I would hope. So he did the job the first Thanks a lot, Edwards. Yeah. And to segue on that, you know, we talk about the open border, and there's been plenty of people and I saw somebody and it might have been on Fox News Sunday today, some Democrat on their shilling and saying and saying, well, there hasn't been any terrorist a terrorist attack yet, and it's like, well, wait a minute, there's all these people on the terror watch list coming

across the border. And to that point, we're talking about what's going on in the college campuses with with you know, the Jews and the anti Semitism in the back last with October seventh and all of that, you know, rather than doing something proactive, you know, I'm talking about President Biden doing something proactive to help everyday Americans, i e. Everyday Jewish Americans with kids in college. His solution now, and we all know how he is on

taking action. The action he's taking now is proposing that we bring in more Palestinian refugees. Oh, it's just it's I could not believe my job about drop to the It's almost like he's doing this stuff on purpose. Yes, yeah, yeah. And what's what's what's scary about it is is you wonder how it hasn't happened yet? Do you know what I mean? Like, how when you have a completely open southern border on top of this guy wanting

to bring in Palestinian refugees, how it hasn't happened yet. But I mean that's the other thing too, is you got all these college kids running around dressed like terrorists. Hey, if they need somewhere to stay, they can go stay, you know, in a in a building that's been commondeer to Colombia, you know, the University of Columbia. I don't know, it's just we live in clow Way. It's it's the bizarro world. I mean, we've already got Syrians We've got Iranians, we got Chinese, we got

Russian. Why do we need Palestinians? Now? I get it. We are a humanitarian country, we help people. I get all that. But at some point don't you have to say, hey, enough, we're gonna start concentrating on Americans. Yeah yeah, And he, you know, finally came out and said something Thursday talking about sleep Joe. And of course he's weeks too late. And we all know what happened. The White House saw the polling on the issue and realized, oh crap, we got to trot

him out there. That's how he does it. But the problem is a timely and you know, full throated condemnation of anti Semitic protests at college campuses is what you would expect from the American president. But what we got was a wishy washy condemnation of this, but a reminder that we all should keep an eye out for islamophobis. Oh yeah, well that's going to pick him up a couple hundred votes. Somebody, please please point it out to me.

Find me some evidence of Islamophobia at these college campus protests. Will I will pay you if you can find it for me. Well, and they also criticized the cops, calling him racist. There was a black cop and I heard one of these idiots yelling at him, calling him and uncle Tom. Oh yeah, I've heard. I heard some of them calling them the N word. And what's astonishing to me is these same people are the ones that were last summer protesting in the Black Lives Matter protest. But if he's

a he's not really black, That's what It's just like black Republicans. If they're black and a Republican, well they're not really black. Well yeah, all right, Well let's talk to Paul in Idaho. Hey Paul, thank you for hanging in there with us. Hello Paul, Yeah, what you got? Well, one thing I want to discuss first, Two things quick. One is we're spending we're spending an eighth of our military hardware an armament money on three things. One is undeniable and needed by by the Jews.

They've got to have it. They're fighting five different countries at one time. Do they need to back up? Yeah, then they've got to have the money. In the Ukraine, you can't say no to him. They are trying to become a democratic Nathan similar tours. You can't deny that even with Biden pulling all the Shenanigans, he bowled in there holding the billion dollars, getting the Senate job there, hold him in the gunpoint for money, you name it. And then on top of those two, then you've got Taiwan.

Yeah, you know, no idea what they's got planned for that, But it has to be operation next thing that's gonna go off, Paul. I'm afraid I'm surprised it hasn't already. Well, we shall say I appreciate the call, Paul. We got a bunch of people, thank you. Yeah, you know what, you haven't heard anything about the situation in Taiwan. Well, it's I've said it last time we were on here. I said, Jesingping is negligent if he doesn't make a move before November. I

don't understand. I'm not a stupid man. Well, is he gonna make it under Donald Trump? No? Absolutely not. And that's what that's. You know, we didn't see and make a move on Ukraine with Donald Trump. So I'll tell you what. It is a scary world we live in. Let's talk to John in Minnesota. Hey, John, how you doing good? Thanks guys here Fox News and CNN reported today that Biden is suspending

shipment of ammunition to Israel. Oh really, all I possible. I mean, he's forcing them into a ceasefire and they have to do what they have to finish the job. Now, Biden came out pretty strong immediately after ten seven, but then when he started getting blowback from the Michigan contingent, he started buckling, and he's gotten worse and worse and worse. Then. This plan to bring over Palestinian civilians, Yeah, great, it's ridiculous because the

a third three quarters of the Palestinian civilians agree with hamas they elected. I don't think there's a damn dimes worth of difference between Amas and the Palestinians. John, I got to ask you again, did you say that you saw where Biden is cutting off the military aid for Israel. There's suspending shipments of ammunition. This was reported on the Fox News Ding and CNN great yesterday.

Well, what a great, what a great ally? We all, Yeah, he's right, Yeah, he's It's just unbelievable that well, not only his administration what they're doing, but this wave of anti Semitism that has crawled out from whatever rocks that was under Now he came out with a speech Friday about you know, peaceful protesting is good. Uh, violent protesting bad?

Yes? Is not America? Well apparently it is, yeah, because it's going across the country and most of our some of our most prestigious universities, and my own minute University of Minnesota had a protest that didn't get violent. But the board of reas, the board of regents is going to negotiate. Oh yeah, that's that's what we need. Hey, John, I'm sorry, we're out of time. We got to take a break, but thank you, very very good call. Yeah, negotiate with him. Oh that's

going to really work out. Well, Mike, did you confirm while I was taught? Yeah, I just saw the headline from CNN. He suspending ammunition. We'll you know what he ought to be drawning quarter of that. We'll get to it because we got to take a break, but we'll be back. Mike Allen Mike Allen Junior in for Willie Cunningham. They were back Mike Allen Junior, Mike Allen Senior in for the Great American Willie Cunningham. On Sunday Night Live, our last caller schooled schooled me and dad to some

stuff that we did not know. I mean, he's right, apparently, And I'm reading the headline right now. It's a Biden administration pauses uh and ammunition shipment to Israel. Reason unclear. Now it says here one ammunition shipment, but it doesn't really say why. But here's here's the issue. And you may be asking yourself self, why do we keep shoveling billions and billions of dollars at Ukraine but we're hesitant to fund of war against the terrorist organization

in Hamas Ukraine is a war the Democrats like for whatever reason. Yeah, That's what I was gonna say. Is the reason is is that we all know it. They blame Russia for Donald Trump winning the election in twenty sixteen. So I swear to God billions of dollars of your taxpayer money, thousands and thousands of lives and screwing over the only democracy in the Middle East simply to appease the babies who think that Donald Trump was a Russian spy. You

can literally, I mean I'm not that's not bs or exaggeration. We are there. Every anybody who knows anything about the war in Ukraine knows that war is not winnable. For Vladimir Putin or Vladimir Zelenski, the war is not winnable. It's a stalemate. At some point, some adult in the room, because remember when the Biden administration got elected, the adults are back in

the room. Oh, some adult in the room should maybe try to negotiate a ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine, a war that has been going on for three years with no progress whatsoever on either side. But we're gonna stop shipping ammunition to the only democracy in the Middle East. And like, like what I'm saying it is because Democrats hate Russia because they think Trump was a Russian space Let me ask you something, what country is going to trust us think

about? I mean that that's pulling the rug out from a Yeah. I mean granted it says one shipment, but for God's sake, they can't even give a reason why. I mean that this is something we're gonna have to keep an eye on. But still, I mean it is it is staggering that that that Joe Biden is saying, don't telling bb in the war cabinet, don't go into Rafa. I'm looking at the polling here seventy two percent. This isn't Republican or Democrat. Seventy two percent of Americans think that Netanyahu

should be able to finish a mass off before there's a ceasefire. He has to do. So, let's let's just break this down. Joe Biden is upending decades of foreign policy because we've always, like you said, with Nixon, we've always helped Israel. He's upending decades of foreign policy for a what seventy two percent My elder Mas says, twenty eight percent of the country yes for voting. It's staggering. You had mentioned and I know you think I

got a Nixon. You gotta get like Roger Stone and get the big Nixon tattoo on your back. Well, I'll tell you what I think. The man was an extremely extremely effective presidence. What could have been with him? Man? We can use him now, Okay. Nineteen seventy three, the Yam Kapoor War. I've read this more than one place. Yam Kadpoor War. Watergate is raining down on Richard Nixon. I mean he's getting he's getting

it from all ends. Well, Henry kissing Heer walks into the Oval office and says, mister brizz didn't go to May here needs this chit in that tank and it and Nixon said stop, Henry, just stop. He said, whatever she wants, double it. Now, get your ass out of here and get it done. Yeah. Yeah, that's an ally. Yeah

yeah. And it's again we get wishy washy statements and and him yelling at but not and Yahoo to cool it and all this stuff and all the while, you know, like like we said, you're upending decades and decades of foreign policy and again once again. And that's the thing. You can't count how many times this guy has shown our allies that we don't give a blab I know. I mean think about it, from Afghanistan to Israel to all I mean, it's just if you're an ally of the United States, you've

got to be asking yourself, where do I stand. Well, we talked about it before, you right. Think about the Taiwanese. Yeah, I mean they're watching this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what's keeping Zizeningping from making a move. I really, he's negligent. If he doesn't, he's still got he's still got some time. Just that makes me sick. Like you said, what do you say, It shocks you, but it doesn't surprise me. No, No, And that's the thing is nothing

surprises me when it comes to this guy. Because even his statement, it's if there's two things about Joe Biden, it's this is this is it. He's going to be late and he's going to be wrong. If you stop and think about it, every reaction he's ever had to anything has been late and wrong. And again, close to eighty percent of the country thinks he's

dead wrong about this. So we are for two reasons. We are upending all this foreign policy because A Democrats hate Russia, so we're going to continue to fund that war, and b Democrats hate Jews, so we're not going to fund that war. I mean, it really does come down, and I don't have an issue saying that. No, I'm glad. I don't

think that. I think that the Democrat Party has a deeply I mean, it is in their blood anti Semitism because again Rashida to lee ilhan Omar, they have been saying anti Semitic things for the last five or six years and nobody has called them out on it, and we wonder why this is happening. Come on, this is a joke. Well, you know who was it? It was Obama's I think Defense secretary, I forget his name, said, Joe Biden has been on the way wrong side, has been on

the wrong side of every foreign policy issue since he became a senator. I mean, we we're seeing it live. But remember Barack Obama said, never ever underestimate Joe's ability to f things up. Man. Yeah, that one too, That is absolutely positively true. Well, you know, I mean the thing about Biden, think about it. And I've been around longer than you, but I know you you are a student of history. If you think about Joe Biden, what issue do you attached to him? What is

he passionate about appeasing his left far left base zero zero? There's no principle at all. And didn't you love his inauguration speaks, I'm gonna bring everybody, We're gonna work across. The man is a damn liar. Yeah, And that's the thing is we are now asking ourselves, and they're legitimate questions. Does he even know that these are his polis? That's you know, I think Joe Biden is starting to wade into Edith Wilson. You know, what I mean. Yeah. And that's the other thing too, is we

are all. It's hard because usually the simplest answer is the right answer. We are all going through this because Joe Biden was jealous of Michelle Obama. I am convinced because anybody, Dad, if you had an inferiority, com imagine someone you love going out and making a complete fool of themselves every time, falling down the stairs and all that stuff. You would say, come on, buddy, I know you get off the stage. We're gonna ruin your legacy. But you know, not for her. That's what I mean,

you know, I guess that's what they want to do. I mean, I blame it on Jill, doctor Jill. Joe. Come on, man, you know you've got a legacy. You beat the evil Orange Man. It's ruined. He's toasted. It's just he's gonna go down as the worst president in American history. He makes Jimmy Carter look like Ronald Reagan.

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Allen Mike Allen Jr. In For Bill Cunningham. And we are still working on our first Mark Cone. Mike, I guess so we can split one. They're cheaper. There you go. Hey, let's talk to Bill and Marilyn. He's been hanging on forever. Hey, Bill, thanks for hanging in there. Sure. By the way, it was Bob Gates who said, Bob Gates, Okay, Biden, Biden never correct, including uh, going into Pakistan to get a solid a lot you know that. Actually,

Hell, have a vote of confidence, isn't it? Wow? And and then and then when he said with Afghanistan that the general said to go ahead and evacuate the military first and the pedestri and then the civilians and uh, and they interviewed the generals and they said, well, we cannot disclose our conversation, but if you ask me what my opinion is, it would be to evacuate the civilians first, and they said, did you hold that opinion

back then? And they said, yeah, so yeah, how Biden, Well, the way they've got he's gotten away with all this is that the media never course. Yeah, well hey, Bill, let me ask you this, and Mike, I'll ask you too, who has ever been accountable for that backled in Afghanistan? Who has ever been accountable for anything in his life? I don't think he's fired that one person, especially Bill. I mean, do you know of anyone that's been held accountable for that? Hey?

It's like when with Hillary, when that day had He's like like, why why are we going over all this? You know it's over with. The passes that the Democrats get is just beyond belief, it really is. I'll tell you. I'll tell you a crazy story. There's a guy who

used to be in Baltimore. The name was Juius Wesheimer. He was a presidential reporter and he told the story that once they're all meeting with the president and somebody asked a dumb question and the President told him to go stand in the corner h until he told we could come back for asking that dumb question. And it's just it's just amazing how the press are now that they get

away with any and everything that they want to. You know what, it just makes our job all harder because you're right, in many ways, the right Republicans, Conservatives, whatever, we're fighting with one hand tied behind our back because not only the mainstream media, social media, academia, the entertainment industry, you know, they all do they run those things too, and the Justice Department. Well that's right, and TikTok, yeah, and they

that bill. You had a question about it Trump is convicted. What was the question. Yeah, yeah, it's just I mean, so, you know, people are saying it's likely he's going to be convicted. So if he's convicted. And I was a lawyer, but I didn't do criminal law. My guess is that if he's convicted, then I'll go right up to the Supreme Court because of the critical nature for the country. Is that what you think would happen in And would he go to jail right after his conviction

until it's it's heard by the Supreme Court. What's your question, Mike, Well, so I think here's what I think. On the first part, Would it go to the Supreme Court and Dad, you and I were talking about this in a break. New York is very weird where their trial court is called the Supreme Court, like their state court. Yeah, and then I can't remember what their version of their state Supreme court is. But I

think what you're asking about is the United States Supreme Court. And yeah, I would say, because of the critical nature of the proceedings that the United States Supreme Court could just grant itself cerciori or whatever and insert itself. But the other thing, as far as going to jail, too, there's two components of that. One one the judge Mershawn whatever, I can't remember his first name. He wants nothing more than to lock Donald Trump up. I

mean, he's he wants to lock him up. I think over over the

over the gag order thing now. But what I think could happen is, and this would be the best, in my view, the best outcome for Trump if there is a guilty verdict and that somehow between you know, because the reality is is if he's found guilty, that judge could lock him up that day if he wanted to, the only thing I could think of is if that if the judge does not lock him up, that there's some sort of emergency injunctive relief wherein the Supreme Court goes, hey, we now have

jurisdiction over this, and we're staying the sentence. That's yeah, so I can. I can, yeah, And they could stay the sentence. But like I said, this judge could in theory, I mean just say, okay, we've come back guilty. I'm not proceeding the sentencing. Now. The defense could ask for like a pre sentenced investigation. I imagined that to

stall time. But yes, I mean the reality is is if that jury comes back guilty, this judge, who again his daughter has worked for you know, every leftist, leftist organization you could think of, could conceivably take him, put him in handcuffs, and lock him up that day. You know, I think there, if he is convicted, there is absolutely no chance, zero, that it does not fall on appeal. But you're right, in the cases that were involved in here, you're found guilty, you

go to jail, and you got thirty days to appeal. I just can't see that with the president. Yeah, and that's the thing, and I've talked about this, and this is something that that judge is gonna have to think about whether it's Alvin Bragg, whether it's Jack Smith with the document stuff, which, by the way, there's late breaking stuff in that where it seems like the chain of custody in that has been completely blown in a lot of cases. But but you see all these cases across the board, and

you got to ask yourself, you know, what's the endgame here? Because if Donald Trump's convicted on the state charge, he can't he can't pardon himself on the New York thing. So this conceivably Donald Trump could be president from a eight by eight cel. It's amazing, just like Venezuela. Right, yeah, yeah, this is just so everyone's aware. This is not how the justice it's not. This is astonishing. Bill. Appreciate the call.

The Democrats have dragged their feet for so long for doing this, you know, like the January sixth. I mean they still haven't prosecuted that one. Yeah, oh, I know, Oh yeah, I mean they're on that like White on Rice. Yeah yeah, all right, Well, I appreciate the call. You know, you and I are part of the legal system, and I'm proud of it. You know, lawyers they tell jokes about him and everything else, and it breaks my heart a lot of emotions,

but that's one of them. To see what's becoming of Really, this is just not right. It is the one place where all of this crap is supposed to die, and it's where it's flourishing and something. A law professor and you know this guy, I quote him all the time on the air, the late great Denny Green, Oh of the group, the music group shan On. No. I was lucky enough to have the late great former president of Sony. Denny Green is my constitutional law I know he's president of

Yeah, he was president of Sony before he became a law professor. He fell in love with a woman from southern Ohio, which is how he ended up at Dayton. But but but yeah, what he what he said is is it's pretty simple. It's just because you can doesn't mean you should. Yeah, when it comes to this kind of stuff. And I don't think Danny Green was a far right guy, but I he would be. He would be doing three sixties in somersaults in his grave if he saw something like

this. This is astonished. And at the end of the day, we're better than this. Yeah, we're supposed to be We're supposed to be right, And like I said before, Mike, I mean, you know politics as well as I do. You don't think some of these Republicans in Congress aren't licking their chops to have their their run at Joe Biden. I mean,

think about this, think about this conceivably. I mean, if this is what Alvin Bragg has done, let's say that, like you know, in Hamilton County and here in Cincinnati, the prosecutor Melissa Powers or in Claremont County the prosecutor Mark to Calvey just said, you know what, I I'm going to indict Joe Biden for everything he did. And you would say, oh, that that's insane. But now now after that's the thing is, they have broken the emergency glass on a lot of that way of putting on

a lot of things. They've pulled the fire alarm on a lot of things in our society that it had no business, you know, having the fire alarm pulled on. And where do you go? You know what I mean, Well, how does this get better? Again? Like we were talking about, and I've seen it as long as I've been paying attention to this stuff, and that's a long time. They always push it too far. They always push it too far because they're so freaking arrogant yea, and they

think they're right and moralistic about everything. And I think that's what might be happening here. Yeah, I mean, and then you look at DEI that's have you been following out that's starting to go by the wayside. Yeah, and that's that's you see. Uh, cities that were all about defunding the

police now starting the fund. So I mean, look, I guess in some cases you can put the toothpaste back in the tube, But I don't understand how you put the toothpaste back in the tube on indicting a former president in multiple jurisdictions for like six hundred I just don't know how you do that. You live with it, and you know, it becomes a part of our system now, you know what, which is a damn shape. Yeah yeah, yeah, it is very scary, but well do we got to

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needs to instruct that woman that the job is to defeat Joe Biden. Get on the damn team. Woman. Yeah, she's she's she's a one woman band. Huh, it's all about her. Yeah, I don't. I really don't understand it, because the thing is the knock on Republicans is Big Ben, is that they can't govern. This is a perfect and shining example served up on a silver platter. And I'm sorry that that's been my beef with Republicans rowing the same damn direction. I mean, I gotta be the

Democrats do. Yeah, and that's it blows me away, It really does blow me away. And look, I didn't me and you talked about this last time. I didn't like Kevin McCarthy. I thought he was a terrible speaker. This is ridiculous, and we're coming up on an election, for God's sake, just behave for a few months, and we're telling the American people, we're asking the put us in charge, put us in charge. We can't even run our own damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

pretty pathetic, especially when the Democrats are this bad. Well it's that idiotic rule that that that they made that anybody can uh can raise the speaker getting rid of him. Yeah, yeah, No, Mike Johnson I think is doing a good job. I do too, with what he's dealing with. I mean, and that's the thing is you just you can't always get what you want. And we cry and whine about leftists being spoiled and entitled when we have yeah, exactly, this woman by behind me on the screen,

Marjorie Taylor Green being spoiled and entitled. So hey, all about her? Yes, she can't do math. Yeah really, yeah, there you go, thank you, Thank you, Danny. So, so you wanted to say something about the Yeah, the documents case. Something broke on that today. Yeah, let's see what the date may fifth? Yees, So it is today And this is this is from the Daily Wire. It's it's Ben Shapiro's outfit. It looks like the classified documents case. That's the one with

mar A Lago. As you recall, apparently Donald Trump took some classified documents from the Oval, brought them to mar A Lago FBI, and the records people said give it back. He said no. All the while, and he's claiming that he has immunity from the the Presidential Records Act. All the while, Joe Biden takes unbelievable classified documents from the skiff as a senator, he has no authority whatsoever to do it. Yeah, and he skates while

Donald Trump's on her indictment. But at any rate, there's something in criminal law you and I have talked about called chain of custody, wherein evidence has to be part of the test for reliability of that evidence is the police officers, the law enforcement have to show who handled this evidence and in what way you know, from the day it was collected to the day of the trial, it looks like now and I'm going to read from this, it says

former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe. They're quoting him as saying that this is basically what happened during crossfire Hurricane. Apparently, Jack Smith, he's the prosecutor. His legal team conceded last week that documents sees by the FBI have been messed up and jumbled, despite previously saying otherwise and giving those representations to the court. All documents, a lot of them, is what they're saying.

Now here's let me keep going here, it says Jack Smith admitted in court this week in his own words, that they mishandled the classified documents and then misrepresented the contents of those documents to the court. Oh yeah, he's saying, and reckless, saying that the prosecutors got caught when Trump's lawyers and other co defendants raised the issue that scanned copies were not matching up with the

records that were taken from mar A Lago in twenty twenty two. Something doesn't smell right here, and color me shocked that the federal government would lie and or mess with evidence to get Donald Trump. I feel like I may have seen that movie a few times. Yeah, I know, And in my wildest dreams, I never thought I would say that. Yeah, you know, back when I was a cop in law enforcement, the FBI was go way up here on a pedestal, and you just knew there was no political

considerations with the FBI. They didn't give damn one about politics. It's out the window. It's out the window, and it's a shame. And speaking of which, and this is something that bothers me, and I'm not this isn't the bolster of Marjorie Taylor Green, but how many Republicans voted to fund that FBI facility the billions of what? Why are we giving them more? We should blow up the DC office. Not physically, but I mean, like, go, you know what we're done. We're breaking you guys up

your terrible gang. I gotta be honest that it's stuff like that that gets the base of the Republican Party mad at the leadership of the Republican Party. Not that I'm excusing Marjorie Taylor Green, but for God's sake, when you the FBI has stuck is in your words, it's fat thumb on the scale of how many elections and what do Republicans do they reward them with new facilities. It's Republicans just can't get it together. It's gonna be interesting to see

if Trump wins what he does with Christopher Ray. I don't see. I think it'll be like five minutes after he gives the inaugural I think he needs to what I propose he does a cut the FBI DC office by thirty percent, cut them by thirty percent, and then I think count on that. I think that there should be no centralized Washington d C Office at all.

I don't think that they should do that the Baltimore office. You know what, there should not be a special gestapo in Washington, d C. To go do the Democrats dirty work, because that's what we've seen from them. That's all they do is go harassed. January six, people claim that, you know, Donald Trump's a Russian spy. I mean, name one good arrest that the DC office has made in the last seven or eight years. What terrorist plot have they stopped? No, Oh, you're right, I

mean to do is harassed people. For the last couple of months, he's been Ray chrisph Race telling anybody that'll listen, Hey, it ain't a matter of if we're gonna get hit, it's a matter of win. Do I have confidence that they're doing what they need to do from an investigative point of view to find out about that. No, No, I think they're too busy harassing Republicans. Exactly, totally honest here, man, exactly. You

know you mentioned something about decentralizing it. I think that makes sense. Yeah, if Donald Trump wins, then you talk about the swamp, you know. Yeah, yeah, it'll be I hope he takes blow towards this man, because I think this time he's going to realize I should have done it before. Yep. Yeah, Hey, we got to get out of here just for a minute here, But when we come back. When we come

back, we're gonna be talking to the reporter for the Epoch Times. And by the way, if you haven't familiarized yourself with the Epoch Times, you should. I mean their stories are I mean, sometimes you know, like Wall Street Journal, which I think is great, they'll go four or five pages. Epoch Times will go twenty as they dive into things. Her name is Janis Heil. We're gonna ask her, and she covers Trump, that's

her assignment. We're going to ask her how Trump's holding up with all this lawfare, and I'm gonna ask her is he turning it to his advantage? I think I know the answer to that. I mean, look at the polls. I mean that's the other thing too, is a lot of the CNNs and the msnbcs are out there saying that if he's convicted, that there's all these voters are going to walk away. I don't sure about all that. I think if he's convicted, his poll numbers are going to go up.

Oh I agree, Yeah, I agree. I want to ask her about that stuff going in Marlago or the vice presidential retreat or whatever they're calling it, where everybody's little Marco's there. Imagine Trump and Little Marco making up and teaming up. Apparently they are buddies now. And you know what, Trump's not stupid, and nor is uh little Marco. Yeah, lion ted or arrest. You know, they said, okay, Trump haunt them off. He did what he did, but hey, I got to work with

the guy. I'll tell you one thing. I think Marco Rubio would be a great vice president. Yeah, I think he would be good too. I think Tim Scott I agree. I think Doug Bergham would be good too. He's a dark horse candidate. But yeah, we'll talk to We'll talk to Janis about all that stuff. And you talk about the Book Times. It's not like we don't need any any more decent news outlets, you know. Oh yeah, really well, I'll tell you what conservative news outlets are

starting to grow, and we definitely we need that. We sure didn't have it when I was coming up. Anyway, we will talk to Janis Heiseel when we get back. Mike Allen, Mike Allen Jr. In For Willie. Hey, we're back, Mike Allen. Mike Allen Jr. In For the Great American Bill Cunningham on a Sunday night, Mike, I don't know you saw it. There's a title to an article in the Epic Times that just sums everything up. I'm going to read it to you. Tied to

courthouse. Trump conducts gorilla campaign on evenings weekend. And we have got the author or one of the authors of that great article, Janis Heisel. She is the reporter from the Epoch Times that is assigned to the Trump campaign. Janis, thanks for joining us. Thank you. I really enjoyed talking with you. You know that, Mike, Yeah, it works good. I

think we work well together. But at any right, you know, one of the things that says in this article, janis that, frankly, I was surprised that Trump actually thinks and he's going to make a play for New

York. Yes, and this is pretty interesting. I got very intrigued by that whole notion because a lot of people are kind of rolling their eyes and going, wow, that's pretty pie in the sky, because there are parts of New York is supposed to right around Manhattan where this trial has been going on, that voted over ninety percent for Joe Biden in the twenty twenty Holle, Yeah, I saw that. So. But some of the people kind of in Trump world, I've been really making some inroads there, and some

people that are telling me that here's how that would shake out. If Trump could actually get that just ten percent to go up to about thirty five percent in the city of New York itself, he gets up to thirty five percent threshold, he would win the entire state of New York. Wow, Because most like most states, New York, the metropolitan areas, the big cities tend to be blue, and the suburban, more rural areas tend to be

red or more Republican. And so if you look at a map of New York, you pretty much see that same pattern there and many other states across the country. So as you know, kind of high in the sky that might sound to some people. There are people in Trump world who think it's possible. Now you know, it would be require quite a shift to get

there, but he's making a play for it. And I have talked to some people that are kind of in his orbit, and they're telling me that he is taking this very personally, that he would be willing to almost like sacrifice working as hard in some other states to try to win New York because he is, even though he's moved Florida, he considers himself a New Yorker,

art is what I'm being told. And he really doesn't like seeing what's been happening there, you know it kind of it's really heartbrending from him. According to people I've spoken to, that he sees, you know, the people on the streets and the overrun with the illegal immigration and the migrants that that are coming in and being you know provided, you know, all of the government benefits we've heard about, and there's a lot of concerns about the

crime also. And you know, I talked to one New Yorker who told me that even like the CBS, you go to your drug store to try to get anything, like he said, a pack of cash, hus you have to go get the clerk to open a lot of the crime is so bad. Yeah, so there is. You know, Trump is really pushing and he's kind of trying to take this situation where he stuck in New York for this trial and maximizing the opportunities he's able to do there. Why not.

So yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon for sure, And we'll have to see if these efforts succeed at all, if the pain is so bad that people feel like they want to switch over to Trump. But you know, I've talked to a number of people who told me that people won't publicly admit it, but they feel like they want to vote for Trump, and that they get like, don't tell anybody, Hey, Janis, I saw when

I was reading about, you know, getting ready for the show. I was reading about Trump and some of these swing states and ones that maybe aren't aren't right at the forefront. A state that's been generally blue, but it went for Glenn Youngkin was Virginia. And I've read an article and of course it's you know, it's campaign insiders and all that stuff. But to think

that that Virginia is actually in play. Do you see Donald Trump to vote in any you know, resources or time to Virginia, Because, like you said before, I could see him maybe you know, places like Ohio and strongholds for him, you know, maybe he doesn't need to campaign is hard there. He can devote his time to somewhere maybe like Virginia or even in Minnesota that where you have a lot of the Muslim population as well. Extremely

upset with Joe Biden. It seems like maybe those two states could be in play. Do you think he's going to actually really go for those two I think he would like to go for as many things as he can, But you know, I think you do have to kind of pick and choose to a certain extent, especially under the circumstances that he's in now, where he is kind of stuck in court a lot that Virginia has not really been something

that has been mentioned to me personally. But I will say that the Trump campaign tends to play things pretty close to the vest, and so they don't They just don't want to broadcast exactly what they're doing. A lot of times they won't announce their rallies till like a week out. Uh, So it's really hard to say how much of a play they'll make for Virginia. But I hear what you're saying, and it actually makes sense me based on you know, everything that I have, I've seen that it would it would make

sense if he does. But I also think that Minnesota is probably one of the biggest ones that that he's going to be pushing hard for. Pennsylvania is kind of on a razor's edge. So Biden is originally from, uh that state. Of course, lives in Delaware now, but I've been there a couple of different times and interviewed people about you know, is a very divided

state when it comes to Biden versus Trump. So but there are again people that are resenting that the Biden administration has been taking a lot of action to shut down coal production, right and uh, that's the lifeblood for a lot of people in Pennsylvania, especially in Scranton. It used to be called the cold capital, answer site capital of the world. And that's where Joe Biden

is from. And now people are you know, resentful of you know, the actions being taken for all of the quote Green New Deal type things to go against coal production, which a lot of people again they depend on that for their livelihood in Pana. I think he really put his foot in it there. We shall see. I guess I got to ask you this. We all know how important fundraising is in a presidential campaign. Do you think this trial has affected his fundraising? I thought, janis that I heard something

that he's having something that mar A Lago. Maybe you're somewhere in Florida two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a pop. Have you heard that? Yeah? Yeah, Actually that was a fundraiser that I tried to get into, but it was closed to the press. That one was locked up like a drum. But I don't know what the outcome was. It was a weekend retreat.

I don't know if it was up Mara A Lagos specifically. I do know it was in Palm Beach, but I was I do know that the the RNC Republican National Committee and the Trump campaign released some figures earlier today about fundraising, and based on what they're reporting, it sounds like that they are raking in some decent coin. I know there was one fundraiser where fifty million dollars came in in just one fundraise. WHOA, yeah, I'll tell you

what you can put that to work. That's crazy. Well speaking, I guess of gatherings at mar A Lago, we have won this. I guess. I don't know if it's still going on, but last week with potential suitors for the vice presidential candidacy give in the headlines this week, it seems like Christy nom is likely not in the running for that. Do you think that the president or the former president has somebody picked out? I know that he had said, like in a Fox Town hall for him that maybe in

his mind he has someone he's already picked out. Or is it really just one of those things where he's just doing what he does, kind of playing psychological games, or do you really think there is someone that's sort of separating themselves. You know, if the people there are people who know they answer to that question, they are sworn to secrecy, I think, but Matt said, I have heard from people in Trump world telling me that for quite

a while now. Trump has made very positive remarks about Doug Bergham. Now he has one of his biggest drawback is his name recognition. He ran for president. A lot of people like who right heard of him? Uh. He is the still the governor of North Dakota. Uh. Of course the

Christi Noman is in South Dakota, to the neighboring state there. Uh. But he Doug Bourbham, from what I've been told, one of the reasons that Trump really likes him, even though he doesn't have that name recognition publicly, he actually has a lot of credibility within Silicon Valley kind of uh circles. In fact, he turned the state of North Dakota into like a Silicon Valley tech place, and it was it's been a very fast growing A lot of people. You know, here in Ohio, we don't hear a lot

about North Dakota. It feels like it's it's like in the frozen tundra or something, and just like we don't know anything about North Dakota. But I will say I've been hearing some things and and you know, he that is something that Trump very much values, is the the tech credibility and also knowledge of AI are artificial intelligence, which is a huge, you know, game changer for every aspect of our society. And and a lot of people find

it to be kind of scary. And I think that, uh, there there will be a lot of things that will have to be adjusted in our society. And and you know, does it go too far? And how much do you believe in? And how can it be manipulated? And you

know, we've we've all seen I don't know if you saw this. I know I saw the Uh you would go on to one of the AI things I think Google put out where you asked your the artificial intelligence program show us what a pioneer looks like is from the Patriot days and they had a dude with a powdered wig, but he was have black skins. We know that that wasn't what was happening in the United States. I did see that. I didn't know it was AI though. That's interesting. Let me ask you

this question. Donald J. Trump has found a new and unique way to campaign. He doesn't have any choice because he's got to be in the courtroom. But it sure seems like it's working. Janis. I mean, he went to a bodega I think was in Harlem. He's well received everywhere he goes. Is that one of the reasons that you and others, You're not the only one think that he could possibly take New York? You know, I will say based on I haven't been to New York because we have staff

there. I've been there for like a staff meeting or two, but I haven't been there to cover the Trump trial or any of these events. So with that as a disclaimer, from what I've seen on the videos, the articles I've read, he does seem to have a lot of you know, positive reception, just you know, outpouring for him. I've even seen you know, other news outlets interview people on the streets of New York who say that they're set up with the way things are and that they're willing to look

at Trump or actually go for Trump. There they're being you know a lot more willing to consider that at this point, also earlier today, even uh, it's Trump has this unique quality about him, I think because of his background not only as a real estate developer, but as a quote unquote celebrity,

so to speaking his own right from the Apprentice TV series. A lot of people knew him from that that he does have kind of like a star appeal, probably much more than any president in our lifetime just because of that. And so he was just at the Formula one race in Miami, Yeah today, people were chanting for him USA USA, And then he made sure he put out on true Social that the team that he visited ended up winning, and I think he said something like, it's like America needs to be

winning. Of course, that's good. Hey day. Really, you know, been a commendate for his his ability to strike that tone and you know, message the messaging to come out with things like that. Hey, I wanted to ask you, Janis. We got about two minutes left and I want to save some time at the end so you can tell my listeners, our listeners about the Epoch Times, because I'll tell you what, it's a great, great newspaper with a lot of good things in it. But here's

what you only have a minute for. In the story. We're just talking about Wall Street Journal poll. I think it was late April. Thirty percent of black men in the battleground states intend to vote for Trump. That's amazing. It really is. When you think about I frankly think he'll probably do

better than that. Your thoughts on that, Jannis, and about the minute or so we have left, Well, I will say that based on people I've interviewed, ranging from a former Black Lives Matter organizer uh to Trump's diversity coordinator, it does seem like and and there's been many polls out there that seem to be substantiating that. Yes, there are a lot more people who have any black who are willing to consider voting for Trump at this juncture.

Uh. There's a whole bunch of reasons why that might be happening, or one of them is, Uh, people see the the persecutions or prosecutions however you want to play of President Trump, and they kind of identify with that, and they're like, wow, they're willing to do this to him. I've read and then James, we got only we only got a few about a half a minute left. I'm sure I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I do want you to make your pitch for the Epoch Times because people

need to know about it. It's a great, great newspaper. I appreciate that. So I just what I'd like to leave people with is, uh, don't believe what you read from some of the other mainstream outlets. I would like to invite your listeners to a one month free subscription. Please get out of pen and write this down. The address to go to online to

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but as always, really appreciate your input. Absolutely. Thanks thought guys. Okay, thank you. All right, we gotta take a break, but we'll be back. Hey, we're back, but we're going to have to get out of here. Mike. That was really fun. Absolutely, it was. It was and hopefully some people learn some things. Always, Hey, the Great American will be back next week, and we want to thank him for letting us try to fill his shoes, which of course is impossible,

but at any rate. Mike Allen Mike Allen Jr. In for Willie Conneyham on a Sunday night