Pelly cunning in the Great America. Welcome with larious Wednesday afternoon the Tri State Red Space Bar. I'd listened last night. Incredible Reds come from behind again when six to five, and they're outed again this afternoon to five forty is Dan Hill's nose. And then tomorrow is a business special, so I may not be with you tomorrow. The weather in Detroit looks perfect. The weather's been perfect everywhere, a little bit chili. Don't tell the global warming experts
on that though. And then the Reds are outed to New York Mets and back home with the Twinkies. One game out of the wild Card. It is still possible, and I believe they're going to get to the playoffs and if anything can happen. But this morning there was an arrangement of a man accused of viciously assaulting a police officer in the city of Cincinnati appeared in court for the first time. His name is I may say the first name incorrectly,
Jermichael Williams, nineteen years old. He dialed nine one, claiming to be the victim of a robbery and attack the officer who arrived to help him. Joining you and I now is Dan Hills, the president of the FOB and Dan Hills, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you give us the facts of what occurred so that I may have a few of the facts incorrect so the American people can know what cops are facing. Well, Willie, I think he gave a pretty accurate outline to start. That's
what happened, Ker Michael, I like you. I think that's how he pronounced. Mister Williams calls nine on on and says, hey, I just got robbed. I think he even gave it the description of a car and was awaiting police officer to arrive to make a report of something that never happened. The whole thing was a ruse. And as soon as the police officer arrived on the scene, he went and started knocking on the side door expecting to speak to a victim, and the suspect came from around behind and again
we're getting bull rushed again. Even when you're responding to a robbery or a robber report, that's pretty everyday stuff for since they police been you're not thinking this is why I'm about to be attacked. It'd be different if you're approaching
the suspect identified vehicle or described the vehicle. But you're expecting to talk to a victim of a crime, and instead here comes this crazy man throwing punches to knocking the officer down to where he didn't even have a chance to react and defend himself until he was completely tied up with this guy on top of
him. He tried to pull out his dayser, tried to I think he even fired a dayser but probably missed as they were just right on top of one another, and then at one point even considered reaching for his firearm, but the suspect beating to that to the punch, shall I say, pun intended as he reached for this officer's firearm and tried to pull it away from him. It was it was a brutal We don't know, sixty seconds, ninety seconds. I don't know if they've they've worked all that out yet.
The officer estimated at two minutes, and I wouldn't blame him if he thought it was two hours, because when you're getting punched over and over and over again, time kind of drags along. It seems like it's a long time. So your friends arrived actually before the other police officers arrived because he was out able to get out of call for help. The family of this suspect came out and actually started grappling wrestling with the suspect to get him off of
the police officer. This is a very young man, a fit man that that attacked the police officer. I think he was about six foot tall, about one hundred and ninety not as big as the the guy that attacked Officer McGuffey, but a very young, fit and strong man that apparently wasn't going to feel any pain and they had no conscious whatsoever out of attacking, and
probably later on he started making threats about killing police officers. I believe that the only thing that really is different between this case and Sonny Kim, because in both cases they call the police to lure him in and attack him, is that this suspect didn't have a gun, or if he would have had a brick or anything like that, we might be talking about a totally different set of circumstances we have. We have people out there that think it's okay
to attack and try to kill police officers. I think there's a two sides of this story. Willie, you and I talked a little bit when talked yesterday about the mentally ill and one our criminals. The other side of this
story is a society thing in general. We keep we keep telling certain segments of their population, of the population that the police are their enemy and the police are out there trying to hurt them, which is an absolute blatant why but for political reasons they got that they go out there and do it and uh, and that probably has an effect on people that are less stable.
If you hear all the time, if you hear in school and you hear in the media that policemen are out there trying to hunt you down or hurt you or something like that, that's going to have an effect on you if you're less stable, because that becomes your reality. I know the reality. Will you know the reality that you know why there might be a rotten apple
and every barrel across the board. And in general terms, police officers are really good people that are out there helping folks and risking our lives doing so. But you know, we have we have a media and and a segment
of society that's constantly out there pushing this narrative that policemen are bad. So again, an unstable person like Jermichael h can can easily take those messages and uh and is not so fit mind and turned it into a reason to attack a police officer, Sergeant Dan I would imagine in this case, but for the intervention of family members, I think this uh Jeremichael Williams was at his grandmother's home. But for the intervention of the family members, this could have
had a terrible outcome. Much like Terry McGuffey down saw your point that this guy was. It was crazy. And one thing you can say, you can use a taser on someone like that and it bounces off of them. It has no impact at all. And UH, the CCA, the Citizens Complaint Authority, and other instrumentalities and institutions are prepared to launch on any police officer who makes a split second decision that might be questioned or might be wrong.
In this case, but for the intervention of family members of this mentally ill to range attempt to murder of a police officer criminal who's on a one now and a one million, one point one million dollar bond, this could
have been easily a Sunny Kim situation. There's something in the culture or something in the music, something in the society that says police officers are racist pigs that need to be eliminated, and for the mentally ill, they hear a different message than sane people do. But even the same people can get crazy with these mythical attacks on police officers, as if you guys and women are out there trying to hurt people when you're trying to help them. It's awful.
Now as far as solving the problem, I watched one of your interviews, and there was a long time, for about one hundred and fifty years that we had a state mental hospital called Longview and which individuals were placed there. There were about eight hundred residents at Longview, which was in bond Hill that had a big barbed wire fence around it, many many acres. It
was very pastoral. There were visitors, people could be put there. The mentally ill criminal that tried to kill Officer McGuffey is up in the Columbus area. But we got rid of all the mental hospitals because of a movie One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest when Jack Nicholson Head had the electrodes put on his brain. Guess what all the mental hospitals began to shut down. Then we had group homes and therapy goes. It wasn't fair to somebody to get them
locked up. You made reference to this. If somebody wants to solve this problem, it can't be done by letting individuals walk around the streets and live on or off meds. It's got to be done with a state mental hospital somewhere in the tri State, hopefully still in bond Hill, where eight hundred people can be put. If we had the same long View state mental hospital system that we had in the nineteen forties, fifties, sixties and seventies,
would this have been prohibited? Would this had been stopped? Well, I can't speak on this specific one, but in general it would sure be a lot less. You know, we know the guy that attacked Altra McGuffey is
not able to have a trial. He's not confident for trial, right, And I can pretty much I can pretty much go to Vegas and bet that's the same results going to happen on this one as well, Right, And so we're gonna have these folks that can't they're not competent for trial, So maybe they go to some friends to hospital for a short pep portion of time. But you just said it, Willie. We don't have enough room because we've shut down so many institutions. So the guy that attacked Terry McGuffey,
this the guy that attacked this officer in both of these cases. I feared that they'll be back out there and able to do the same type of thing again. And they're at risk. They're at risk, not only police officers, at risk, the citizens and they're at risk to themselves. And we'll look at put the whole community at risk because you know, you know what's coming. Will You can see around the corner what's coming. One of these times, the police officer is going to have to use devily force to defend
themselves or they'll end up being killed. God forbid. But if they use deviily force to protect themselves. You already said, it's the CCA and every other organization that's anti police out there, it's going to line up, and the politicians that gain and in certain places geographic bears like the city of Cincinnati, when they bash police or they jump on board when something when something happens,
something that's tragic but necessary at times to save your life. And that's what always worries me, Willie, is that do we have hesitation on our police officers? That always concerns me. You know, in both these cases, I talked to the officers, and in both cases they felt more like they could get the gun used against them rather than that they hesitated because of
fears of community and media reaction all that stuff. But I always have to wonder in the back of my head, Willie, is you know is this a condition our police officers are finding themselves more and more in is like, oh my gosh, if I use if I use deadlie forche how will this all turn out? I watched last night of video out of Claremont County and which this guy was mentally ill at stabbed his own mother and he starts to run at two cops. The veteran cops says, don't use the taser.
This, don't use the taser, and he's yelling that because it's not going to have any impact. If somebody's running you with a knife and he's got blood in his eye and just stabbed his mother, good luck with a taser. Pull out a gun and let him meet his maker. And that's what happened. The veteran officer said, don't use a taser and the younger officer had the tastes are out. He said, don't use that, shoot him, and he shot him. I guess unfortunately, maybe he lived and now
he's on tropic. Sergeant Dan, we got to go. But you're putting out the message that the moment is coming when his normal citizens have got to stand up and say, you know what, this is what happens at the same case in Claremont County. Happened in the city of Cincinnati. Was some mentally ill, large person with a knife in his hand coming out an officer. I'm sure the CCA is gonna want that taser. You got to try
the baton and fight somebody who's crazy with a knife twice your size. But Sergeant Dan, we got to go and last and we have thirty seconds. What's the status? Can you give us the name of the police officer and what's his status? Well, I'm will let the police department release his name. I can tell you I text with him earlier today and he's having a hard time walking. His head injuries all tested negative, no skull fractures, no brain relieds. But he's his back is so bad today that he's not
walking I'm not really sure of his age. I know him a little bit, but I think he's probably in his late forties or fifty or early fifties. Is not a time when you want to be out there wrestling nineteen year old people who don't feel pain. It's a it's a it's a dangerous job, Willie. And we got lucky one more time. I don't know how many more times can you get lucky like this, but we survived again. Sergeant Dan, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you
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