By Billy Cunningham, The Great America. Let's continue. Whenever stop, we simply continue. Great book has been out for a few months now. It's really picking up stone each team because of it's because of its veracity. The Fall of the FBI written by Thomas J. Baker, who spent about thirty three years and that formerly great organization, fidelity, bravery, integrity. The name of the book specifically is The Fall of the FBI. How a once
great agency became a threat to democracy. Thomas J. Baker, Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And for those listening locally and around the country, can you give us some sense and a few paragraphs if you can, of the FBI that you knew for some thirty three years. You knew the FBI to be what Bill the FBI I joined was the square to tell the truth law enforcement organization. And during our training as new agents, and by
the way, thank you for this opportunity to give this explanation. During our training as new agents in the classroom, the thing that was emphasized with the constitution, the US Constitution. Of course, outside the classroom, we had a lot of firearms training and arrest techniques, but The Constitution was the main academic topic for three months that new agents got and then periodically they got updates
on Supreme Court cases. Part of the Constitution we learned most about was the Bill of Rights, and particularly the fourth, fifth and sixth Amendment, which impacts law enforcement and law enforcement operations. And the way it was taught to us by these wonderful instructors was we should not regard the fourth, fifth and sixth Amendment as an obstacle to getting our job done. We should embrace it.
And we even had one instructor gave us each a pocket sized copy of the Constitution to keep in our pocket, and he said, when you're out there and you're sitting down interviewing a citizen or searching somebody's home, if you have the Constitution in your pocket, you'll never do wrong. You'll never go off the tracks. I mean, that's how serious and how sacred it was taken. It sounds corny today, but most of us did take it seriously.
Then part of our job was preserving the Bill of Rights, and those whole thing's been turned on its head since Mala and then call me twisted the FBI into a free wielding intelligence operation. Rather than a grounded law enforcement operation. And Thomas J. Baker, what was some of the duties for your
thirty three years in the bureau? Can you tell the American people? I guess for credibility purposes, which I don't need, but many may want to know what kinds of things did you do in the FBI for thirty three years? And retire with great honor? Well, I was blussed, Bill, Thank you for asking that. I did virtually everything in the FBI that people would do. In the FBI was an assigned around the country. I worked
civil rights cases. I worked against domestic terrorists, criminals, bank rob as, organized crime, organized crime in New York, in Washington, DC, corrupt politicians. We had a lot of sensitive investigations in that regard, and as I explained in the book, I touched on a few historic cases, one being the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. I was the first FBI
agent on the scene and I managed the initial response to that incident. We talk about in the book, The Trash of twa eight hundred pan Am one oh three other historical cases like that, and of course kidnappings, several famous kidnappings. I'm not the main character or the hero in any of those stories, but I have some knowledge of them that I wanted to share with people.
After those thirty three years in the FBI, I continue to be engaged with the FBI and with law enforceman in general as a consultant on fingerprint matters and others, and also serving on the boards of several key organizations, including the Department of Justice's Credit Union. I want to ask you the question about politics because it's obvious until Muller and until Komey and Ray took over, politics
was completely irrelevant. You did not check someone's political affiliation before you began investigation and dealt with their acts and their behavior, not with their politics. And as evidence of that, John Durham, who's the Inspector General, the FBI
has a character, a personality, a department called the Inspector General. John Durham report laid out in detail the absurdity of the Russian collusion investigation against Donald Trump, which the national media in this country rolled for two and a half years, and every week or two there were breathless new revelations about Donald Trump's involvement with Russia, and it turned out to be ninety nine percent false, but the media ran with it for two years. The country was tied in
knots about Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. We now know a lot more about it than we knew then. But tell the American people in a synopsis, what did John Durham, the Inspector General the FBI report about the predicate for the Russian collusion delusion involving Donald Trump. Well, basically, and it all became public well over a month ago, now almost two months ago.
John Durham, in a three hundred, three hundred and six page report, documents really documents that there was no absolutely no justification for opening the investigation of the Trump campaign, Trump's presidential campaigner, of Trump himself at that time. It's shocking read it. Of course, in my instance, a lot of the stuff he says in there is already in my book, and in the sense he validates my book, which is nice to be validated, to
be vindicated. But at the same time it's shocking and disappointing that a thing could go so far off the track. Absolutely absolutely no justification for opening that case whatsoever. Well, last week, after the most recent Trump indictments out of Washington, d C. Christopher Ray testified, which it must watch television.
I'm sure most Americans don't watch it, but it is embarrassing to watch Christopher Ray, the director of the FBI, I call him Jay Edgar Ray, and talk about the few heads that have rolled the bad apples, who began the investigation of Donald Trump for two and a half years without a predicate.
Talk about from the perspective of John Durham and the recent problems in the FBI, what has needed a few heads to roll for the illegalities or something deeper, That there's a cancer loose in the FBI in Washington, and these are not the field officers here in Cincinnati, the field offices, etc. That this is the heart of the FBI in Washington. What did Christopher Ray say about the snooping of the private emails? What did he say about the
predicate for the Russian collusion delusion that was false? What did Christopher Ray talk about the poor leadership of James Comey give the American people that information? Well every time, not just in his testimony before the House about two weeks ago. Now, every time this comes up, he to some extent he acknowledges there was a problem in that he says, the people, the miscredence who created these problems, if you will, the bad apples are no longer with
us. And in the case of Durham, he goes back and he points out that, you know, Comie McCabe struck, they've all been fired. Then we have these other fiascos like the investigation of the attempted kidnapping of the Michigan governor. Two agents were fired over that, and on and on, and each time he falls back on, well, the bad apples are no longer with us, And in this congressional testimony two weeks ago, he's still it was a missed opportunity. He could have come up and said, listen,
we know we got a cultural problem. We're going to change the culture. We're going to reform the FBI. But instead he keeps weaving and dodging
and making excuses, which is so unnecessary. He even tried to deny, and it's and played on some of the TV channels over and over again that there was this attempt so contrary to the spirit of the First Amendment to control the free speech the free expression of Americans, which is very well documented now in the Twitter files that the FBI collaborated with Twitter and other companies to censor and monitor American speech. That's something that should never happen, and yet he
tries to weave around, weave around that. That has to be done forthrightly. Congress can do something about that. Congress can do something about reforming FISA, the Foreign Intelligence of Aillance Act. But the FBI and the Department of Justice, at the end of the day have to reform themselves. And the first thing to reform yourself, you have to recognize the problem. And now we have the President Donald Trump and die of for corruptly trying to influence a
national election. How would you describe the FBI meeting with tech company executives during the campaign to stop them from reporting objectively on the Hunter Biden laptop because it may refer to criminal behavior by Joe Biden, who sought to be president. Didn't the FBI leadership itself corruptly involved itself in a national election. A lot of people are saying that, and in fact, we know now that the FBI had the computer at the time that these fifty some odd former intelligence officers
were saying it. It is so probably is Russian disinformation. The FBI knew it was not Russian disinformation. That's on the record now. They knew it then. Of course they have the technical capability with a laptop like that in a matter of days, if not hours, to analyze it and determine it was all legit. So there was a lot to investigate even back then.
And we're going back almost four years at least four years now, I believe, And yet it was buried and Christopher Ray again acknowledges that to some extent, an ASAC, that's the Assistant Special Agent charge in Washington Field who tried to bury in slow walk the laptop investigation last December, only six months ago, was allowed to what he was essentially dismissed from the FBI. And Ray points out to that as another example if they got rid of a bad apple.
But there's a lot to be done now on the Hunter Biden investigation, which quite frankly now is broadening out into an investigation and involving a lot of the bidens Well suspicious activity reports obtained from banks by the House Oberate, the ten twenty three information that large amounts of money flowed out of the Ukraine Barisma Romanian interest, the mayor of Moscow's wife communist read China, and this information
ought to be a bombshell. However, whether it's the FBI, they've had the hunter bit or laptop now for many years, it looks as if they're not interested in pursuing it. If we had the FBI that existed twenty years ago, when you were in your prime in the FBI, and you had dropped in your lap a laptop that had a roadmap of serious corruption by high government officials in the good old days, you would have pursued it to its
logical conclusion. But now the FBI waits till the statutes of limitations run and do nothing. How disappointed are you in that? Well, I'm hot broke, and as are others. I mean to say, how things were done in the Washington Field office. When I was there, we had several cases in involving public figures, members of Congress, in one case a US judge, and those cases were followed so meticulously. But let me tell you this,
but we investigated people for a ten thousand dollar bribe. Here there's documentation of very suspicious money in the tens of millions, and as you mentioned, the stars, the suspicious activity reports flowing from foreign sources through a series of paper companies to members of the Biden family. In any other universe that would be that would get so much investigative focus. I mean, you drop everything else to work on that, and yet it seems to be slow walking.
Now. I have no doubt. I have no doubt that people in the BI and then the IRS, and maybe a few in the Department of Justice who are trying to work this thing are running up against a lot of headwinds from Attorney General Garland and all the others who are trying to protect the Bidens.
But it is there. There is so much out there, and as you use the correct word corroborate, the informant report from the Ukraine alleging a specific bribe is corroborated by these and I believe it's well over a hundred suspicious activity reports. That's the truth I mentioned earlier, right was on the board of directors of the Justice Credit Union. We'd get one or two suspicious activity reports a year. This is incredible. Over a hundred suspicious activity reports documenting
millions of dollars moving through paper companies to members of the Biden families. I don't see how any citizen, no matter how liberal a democratic they are, could look at this. I say, boy, there's something wrong here. On paper, it looks as if the Bidens have monetized the office of Vice president, and then also Hillary Clinton secretary of State, and after that they've
all monetized it. And it looks as if here's the information, here's the money coming out of the Ukraine. Here's the billion dollars of American money flowing into the Ukraine. And here's the dismissal of the prosecutor looking at Barisma, and here's the ten million dollars in Barisma going to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden each getting five million dollars. And it's like, well, you know what,
we can't put this together. We don't know where it's going. It wouldn't take a rocket science just to figure out at least to look into it. And these stars reports, there's hundreds of them, and you said it's quite unusual to get one or two, and the FBI has given hundreds of them. And Christopher Ray that's been now for five or six years, he
just can't figure it out. Is that conceivably true? Yeah, it's the almost five years since he was made director in twenty seventeen, and that's about the same time that the the the laptop, the Hunt Hunter Biden laptop was recovered. There's no doubt some people, as I say, tried to slow
walk that, tried to bury it. And they could have spoken up much more strongly when these phony bologny in former intelligence officers tried to say it was Russian disinformation when they really had no, no firsthand knowledge to say that, and the FBI had already discovered that it was a genuine article. I'm plugged my own book, but let me mention Miranda Devine's book, The Laptop from
Hell. She lays out everything that's in that laptop in her book, and anyone who reads that just you just shake your head at the boldness of the Bidens shaking down people in China and the Ukraine and accepting these bribes. And even in there they talk about the meeting at Cafe Milanos when Biden, Biden and now the President came to Kathley Milano's and met with all these business associates, foreign business associates that Hunter and his associates were shaking down. It's all
documented. It's right there in black and white and we know it's genuine. Hi. Thomas J. Baker, thirty three years and the FBI. The book is the Fall of the FBI, How a great agency became a threat to democracy. It's all available. It's up to informed Americans to vote perform appropriately to these known facts that the media in which the FBI and the Department of Justice wants to keep secrete it. Thomas J. Baker. Once again, God bless you, and thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.
Thank you, Thomas. Bless you, Bill, and thank you for all the good you do. God bless you. Let's continue with more unbelievable. There it is and uh won't be covered well, but it needs to be covered because what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred, w lw Oney seven seven Collars Kids Ka