Uncuilly Cunningham, The Great American Reds Baseball kicks off the night about six ten. It's gonna be unbelievable. The Reds are impregnable, like the imagine O line. The Reds are unbeatable, like the Spartans at the Greek mountaintops. So against the Athenians. Right now, the Reds appear to be in first place by half a game at least. And they play the Brewers nine times in July ninth. That'll determine what happens with this year's ball club. The
division is very gettable. Coming up later as the reaction to Hunter Biden's all fallout. He's gonna plead guilty to three offenses, got a sweetheart deal one point five million dollars an income according to the indictment count two one point five million, and he pleads out to a misdemeanor, walks out of court. Not a bad deal, but nonetheless johnan you and I now is of course moeegar moe egar, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham show that when those of
us that are not Johnny come lately thought about this ball club. For those of us who bet on the over sixty five and a half wins, sixty six wins. Had it all it was because of a Hunter Green. It's cause of Ashcraft, it calls Lodolo. Those three guys are gonna carry the Reds pitching staff to glory and for some the judgment seat of God. As we sit here this glorious, wonderful, incredible Wednesday afternoon, guess what.
None of those three are even on the roster right now. Although it's possible that the Ascraft might come back and this weekend, but he's been terrible. Hunter Green's been up and down. I think he's got one or two wins all season. Lodolo's on the d elto sometime in twenty twenty seven. Don't know about Lodolo, who was the second coming of Randy Johnson. So why are those of us who had the courage to put their money down on the Reds to win sixty six games are more? Why are we being justified?
They put together a pretty good team, They put together a team with upside, They put together in an organization that's suddenly, almost overnight, become really good at cranking out big league players. I think you can make the argument the last four weeks have been the greatest stretch of Red's baseball this century. Now, he might say that's not saying much, but look, they've had long winning streets, they've won division titles. But pick up everything that's happened
over the last couple of weeks. Matt McClain makes his big league debut, highly heralded, right he ends up outperforming even the most the biggest expectations. Ellie Della cruz big league debut is an absolute smash. Andrew Abbott has been historically good in his first three big league starts, and then last night, Look what Joey Vado did last night would have been cool no matter what.
Let's say this is the middle of last season and Joey misses the first two and a half months, and the Reds are forty eight games at our first place, and he comes back and he has a whole run, a two run single, and he's basically the central figure in a Reds win. We would say that's pretty cool. That's another moment in what has been an otherwise
outstanding career. But for it to come at the in the middle of this stretch of what the Reds are going through, to be the central figure in a ninth consecutive win, a win that Valtam in the first place, all by themselves, you know, on almost a nightly basis, I keep saying to myself, I can't believe that happened, or holy crap, I didn't expect that, and it's a it's an awful lot of fun. But but to get back to your question, Willie, they've done a really good job
of putting together a team. And I think the word here is upside. You know, I think you're being fair if you're wondering when that the bottom's gonna fall out of it, because youth is unpredictable and they've got to make their starting pitching better. But I think you're being awfully, awfully unfair if you shudder at the ocean that this team, the Cincinnati Reds, could be in the postseason and be in the postseason on a pretty consistent basis here in
the very very near future. When I compare the coming back of a great player, I think about what happened when Jose blaming on Rijo came back after two or three years, had a little bit of a run before his arm completely gave out. I think about Pete Rose coming back from the hinter lands. Where are those goofy Expo uniforms coming back to Cincinnati? Like in what was at August of nineteen eighty four, him coming back? Can you think
of a second coming of a great player? And despite the protestations of Tony Bender, I think that Joey Vado is the greatest Reds first baseman of all time, better than Tony Perez, better than Ted Klazowski, better than Todd Benzinger, the greatest of all time. Can you recall a time of a second coming of a player that was really good ten months after the fact to that kind of a welcome last night. Well, the Jose Rios thing sort of stands out on its owne because you know, he missed five and a
half years and I was there that front stadium when he came back. That was awesome. But you know, look, Joey's gonna be forty years old
year in less than three months. He is not coming off a good season, his best years aren't probably behind him, and he's joining a team where you know, and he acknowledged this book before and after the game yesterday, the expectation is for him to contribute, to be a big part of what they're doing because they're trying to achieve something that five or six weeks ago nobody even would have entertained. And so you know, who knows what this is
going to look like moving forward. But this wasn't merely a guy coming back off the injury list or coming off of surgery or rebounding from a significant injury. This was an iconic player, one of the best homegrown talents the Reds have ever had, a guy who is going to be in Cooperstown one day, a surefire Reds Hall of Famer, their best player of the last thirty
years. This was a guy sort of, at least for a night, defying time, defying aging, and offering a performance that sort of looked the exact opposite of what we saw last year, and they needed it to win the game. And when they won the game, they vaulted in the first place. I've seen a lot of guys come back from injury, but if you if you take all of those things and blended in, there's nothing like what the folks at GABP witnessed last night, and it continues tonight. About
Tiger Woods, I think about Georgie Patten. You might recall in nineteen forty four, Patten stands in front of Eisenhower and is dressed down for making positive comments about the Nazis, and Pattens then put into the hinter lands to give speeches in London, and then all of a sudden Eisenhower needs some clown, some full some tank commander to take the American forces against Western Europe, to bring down the Nazi symbols from Holland and France, from Belgium, and to
take the Nazi army on into Germany. That reminded me of Joey Vado when I think about Tiger Woods having all of his difficulties finally coming back and being the coket aptain of the Ryder Cup team about four years ago that beat the Europeans on European soil. Can you think of some historical model of someone coming back from the hinter lands and succeeding mightily the way that Patton, Tiger Woods and Joey Vado did. I think when Jim Scott went to go work in
another radio station and came back, it was very, very similar. I was there, I was there that day. I was there. Yeah, I know you were, No, I honestly I can't um. You know, look, Joe Burrow came back from a major knee injury and played Week one and led his team to the super Bowl. And nobody saw that,
right, nobody saw that coming. But Joe Burrow was entering his second season, he kind of thought, Okay, as long as modern medicine sort of takes its course, he's going to end up having an excellent career, and if he does, the Bengals are going to be better off for it. There has been a lot of chatter in recent weeks from a significant number of fans, certainly not the majority, but at least a significant number of fans wondering, should Joey Vado have a role on this team? What's his role
going to be? Is he going to and I find this to be absurd. Is he going to disrupt the very obvious Greek chemistry that these guys have? And so, you know, this was a return that I think was marked by a lot of skepticism, and I think, to a degree, to a small degree, some of the skepticism is earned. They've been fine without him, They've they've gotten reasonable production from players who have played first base.
He is thirty nine years old. He is coming off a down year, he is coming off a significant injury, and you know, looks who knows a month from now what his numbers are going to look like and what his role is going to be. But I think the skepticism from some that covered over Joey's return last night made what he did, I think extra special. Great athletes come back from injury all the time, Great athletes come back
from the hinterlands if you will, all the time. But I think if you take every factor that you know kind of loomed over last night, including the success of the team without Joey Vado again, I mean, had last night happened with the Reds eighteen games at a first place, we would have said, Okay, that's another great night, big performance in the long and storied career of Joey Vado. But in the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't mean all that much that victory last night, a one run win,
until the Reds in the first place by themselves. Now, look, they might be back in second place by the time they take the field tomorrow afternoon. But for a night, Joey Vado authored a special moment, and it came in the middle of what has been a month of special moments, and I think that's pretty damn cool. I look at Matt McCain, I look at Ellie, I look at Andrew Abbott. Those guys literally were in diapers when Joey Vado started playing for your Cincinnati Reds. He turns forty years
old in September. He's a graybeard. He's old. And so they're looking at a player that they watched when they were two, three, four or five years old, and hear their locker next to him, And I'm thinking tonight, we don't have a lineup yet for tonight's Tuesday night game, but let's face as Spencer Steer has done more than adequate at first base. Do you play Steer at first tonight or Vado? Well, it wouldn't stun me, as you and I talk right now, I haven't seen a lineup.
It wouldn't stun me at all to see Joey Vado used as a DH on a pretty regular basis. The reality is that's kind of what aging players do, right, They assume the role of designated hitter. He is coming off a significant injury, but he's also a guy who wants to play defense. I think there's room in the alfield for Spencer year he's played out there recently. What they do on a nightly basis with Tyler Stevenson is going to play a factor. There's also a day game tomorrow, and so I think the
timing event might play a role in where Joey plays. But Joey was always going to have a role when he came back. You know, for those who thought, well, he's gonna come back, and you know they're gonna keep him on the bench, that's ridiculous. That was never gonna happen. Now, I certainly do believe that how he performs in the short term is going to go a long way towards determining how much he plays later in the season where he plays later in the season, but we're not twenty twenty.
Joey Vatta was benched by David Belle, so if he doesn't perform, there's at least a precedent set where they cast Joey aside. But he's one of the most iconic players they've ever had. He's a guy who takes his craft very, very seriously, and last night, if you didn't know any better, you wouldn't have believed that he was coming off a bicep issue and a rotator cuff issue. He looked great at the plate, and so you're gonna
see him, and you're gonna see him a lot. And what I what I hope has happened is, uh, you know, you talk about how long Joey has been with the Reds. Joey was drafted by the Cincinnati Reds in two thousand and two, Great American Ballpark. They hadn't yet played a game inside two thousand and two, made his major league debut shortly after Labor
Day two thousand and seven. So you know, think about how many players have come and gone and and and all the different things that have happened just in that sport, just with that team since two thousand and seven, and he has been a constant. He has played his entire career here. None of us know what the future holds beyond two thousand and twenty three. But in terms of players the Reds have pushed through their system and had on their
team, Uh, he's one of the all time best. Unfortunately, he's not associated with winning through absolutely no fault of his own, and maybe just maybe with what the Reds are doing this year, he gets a chance for a big moment later in the season or maybe even in October, that could change that narrative just a little bit. And he was always kind of an eclectic character, but as he matured, as he got older, he's become a media mogul, and I can see him connected with the Reds for a
long time. Quick quick answer is Joey Vado on the Reds all time starting nine, is the first baseman over Tony Perez. Love Tony Perez. Tony Perez has the plaque in Cooperstown. He's an all time great central figure to two iconic teams. I can't say that about Joey Vado, but player for player, I'm taking nineteen. All right, Oh, thank you very much. I would note that the Joey Vado jerseys are out and that the Johnny
Come Lately's in the ne'er do Wells are now wearing the Vado jersey. When you and I were Vado, when Vado wasn't cool, well, that's usually what happened, you know. It's it's nice to have those it's nice to have those fans back. Remember what I said on Red's opening day, the Reds were marched for glory and beat the New York Yankees, which they should have done in nineteen sixty one and did in nineteen seventy six. The Reds and Yankees in the World Series. Would you bet on that I get great
value out of it. I don't know if I love the Yankees. Chances he's either quite frankly, who's more likely to be in the World Series? The Yankees are the Reds. Well, the Reds are an easier division. Well, that goes without saying. The Yankees are in a division that has two very good teams, one team that is setting a historic case if you went team versus team, I think the Yankees have the better squad. But the free thing about October Baseball, Willie is it's completely random. All you
gotta do is get in. And right now the Reds have a chance to get in, and five weeks from now, you could have a situation where Max is Sure comes to Cincinnati, the Mets get rid of him, and he anchors the Reds starting rotation. Now, wouldn't that be something? That would be something? What else would be something is if you came to a game, well, I'm thinking about it on Friday night. That's what I'm thinking about, well, you know, I'm taking the day off tomorrow.
It's a twelve thirty five game, which means you're not working. So you know, I've got an extra ticket if you want to come tomorrow afternoon. I'll be there Saturday afternoon for the four ten game, and we'd we love to have you, might go on Sunday afternoon, might take my daughter. That's right, I really want you around her all that much. But but you know, nonetheless, there are going to be some opportunities this homestand if you want to go, we'd we'd love to have you out during right field.
I promise. I'mlike Joe Biden. No, we're not smell or hair. I promise, so kind of Let's see what happens. All right, let's continue these discussions about my parents at my ballpark. I look forward. I look forward to it. Thanks Willy. That's Moe Egger, the best in the business, A savant when it comes to numbers and figures. Let's continue with more your reaction plus my reaction to the hundred Biden indictments this morning,
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Eddie and Rocket. This afternoon at three seven hundred WLW, the Reds welcome the Atlanta Braves to Great American Ballpark for a three game series June twenty third through the twenty fifth, presented by UDA American Rights. Baseball kicks off about six ten to night. I can't recall a more exciting time this side of twenty twelve, when the Reds have captured the heart of the American people. You take FC, which hasn't lost a game. I think this year,
think the Ben Galleys. The Bengals are picked by some to win the Super Bowl. Now the Reds are acting as if they're the ninety Reds all over again. It's unbelievable, and I'm so happy for Joey Vado, etc. And as we said, all the action starts about six ten to night, the Rocks in town tomorrow, business special tomorrow, and then the Braves in town Friday, Saturday and Sunday and more. Let's get into it on the issue of Hunter Biden. This has taken about a five year minimum investigation.
And according to the indictment that I had the displeasure of reading and the years twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen taxable years, that the combined tax liability over those years is one point two million dollars owed to the federal government one point two million. I would assume that covered income and the four to six million dollars range, and that those who spoke on the condition of anonymity, so those
the details yet to be made public. Whenever the DOJ wants to leak information to get out to the public to take away the ultimate impact, they leak to the Washington Post. By the way, it's a felony for someone in the Department of Justice to wrongfully leak information to the news media on a criminal matter not yet adjudicated in court. Soever leaked to the Washington Post from the
Department of Justice committed a felony, but that happens all the time. Whenever the DOJ leaks something to the Washington Post, it needs a compliant media lapdog to carry water for them, and it's always the Washington Post. And so by committing making this a big news story today, somebody at DOJ committed a
felony. But I regress, And previously the Biden representatives have said that hundred Biden paid back the IRRs what he owed, and so there was a well healed friend of Hunter Biden's in California where he stayed for many months, and a billionaire's home an extra home while negotiating with the DOJ controlled by his father, Joe Biden. So I can't imagine if someone owed the IRS one point two million dollars that taxpayer would strike a deal in which you would receive probation.
This was during a time when Hunter Biden was a raging crack cocaine addict, buying hookers and drugs. And I would assume the money, some three to five million dollars, an income that generated a tax liability of one point two million, came from illicit sources. Did they pursue the source of those moneys? Of course? Not reporting from the new York Post indicates that Barisma and other entities paid the Biden family something the range of forty million dollars over
a seven year period. I wonder if the grandchildren who had moneies to deposit in their accounts from made up LLC's actually filed tax returns. How much money did the big guy get Joe Biden. Well, that's on now foreclosed upon. Also, Biden plans to admit to illegally purchasing a weapon, which was a handgun in nineteen eighteen. I'm sorry, in twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen,
illegally bought a handgun. When you buy these weapons, and I've bought six or seven of them, you have to sign a form that you're not currently drug addicted and you're not currently having mental health issues. Of course, all you got to do is check the box and away you go. But this is a big part of Joe Biden's campaign on guns to make those who
lie on these forms accountable for the lying. And part of that deal is part of the admission that he did that he expects to enter another diversion program and a less pun a form of sentence typically applied to people with substance abuse problems, they're going to recommend. Prosecutors, according the Washington Post, is going to recommend two years of probation and diversion conditions, and if he meets all the conditions and program, the gun charge would be removed from his record
at the end of that period and away you go. And I'm an American that feel that too many people are locked up in prison for too long a period of time for committing criminal acts that probably half the people in prison and jail don't belong there. I don't think Martha Stewart needed to be in jail. And whatever happens many of those so called white collar offenses, none of us have to worry about that person breaking into our home and robbing and stealing
from us. To me, it's something that I think the criminal justice system in white collar cases exact too much revenge of those who are sentenced to five, ten, fifteen, twenty years in jail for stealing money when their talents
could be put to work doing other things. And if you put me in charge, if someone owes the irs one point two million and tax liability, and you pay all the money back plus interest, and there's nothing corrupt about In other words, you didn't get the money from some other source in order
to pedal influence because your daddy that that's okay with me. I've handled literally thousands of criminal cases and that there's a great disparity and what happens in courtrooms on criminal cases based upon who the judge is, who the prosecutor is, etc. And well, it appears from the Washington Post reporting today that Hunter
Biden will not go to jail whatsoever. You might recall that we currently have a president who wants to talk to about the one percent making big money doing their patriotic duty, that is the privilege one percenter, don't pair quote their fair shared taxes. Well, it looks like his own son and the president himself and the Biden family ducked out of paying millions of dollars of their fair share. We'll get off with nothing more than a slap on the wrist accounting
putting it all up to a crack cocaine addiction. In fact, right now, the families secure. The Biden family is secure because they have Secret Service protection. But he still wants to hire about eighty thousand new armed IRS agents
to go after you. And speaking of guns on a regular basis. Every time some insane nut job in America goes on a killing spree, which has been happening for many, many decades, Joe Biden would quickly leap in front of a camera to demonize the NRA, lawful gun owners and Republican voters who respect the Second Amendment by complying with the law. For those of us who have bought handguns, and I bought an a R fifteen at one point,
fill out the forms truthfully, and Joe Biden says that's not enough. Joe Biden has never met a gun control law he will not embrace, no matter how unconstitutional. So now his son, who he loves, which I understand that completely cops a plea on not paying his fair share and gun laws, and he goes home to dial up his favorite pimp in the future to send over some extremely young illegal prostitutes to his home for weekend parties. He's a
freeman. Let's party the lesson here, well connected, well known, or treat it differently than those schleps who simply show up in federal court having not paid in taxes one point two million dollars. This isn't some small taxpayer who put a deduction on the wrong line. This is somewhat serious stuff. But sometime today or tomorrow, by the end of the week, Hunter Biden's going
to saddle up, get the deal, and away we go. Lesson is we learned that when Donald Trump is charged with obstruction of justice and also in a sense spying for moving a box of documents from one room to another. On the other hand, when Hillary Clinton takes a hammer to hard drives containing thousands of top secret federal documents, there's one one kind of law for the goose and a different kind of law for the gander. Something is seriously wrong
with both this, but we'll see. And I would point out that the trial judge, Judge Cannon, has moved the federal case against Donald Trump about a one hundred and twenty five miles north to Fort Pierce, Florida, getting it out of Miami, getting an out of date, and she set a trial date around August the sixteenth, which is within seventy days of the indictment. So this is going to put the burden on the Trump defense to ask for a continuance. The US government is ready to go to trial in August.
That judge says one hundred and twenty five miles north of Miami. We're ready to go to trial and beginning in the middle of August. But it's going to be up to Donald Trump and as lawyers to go to court and file appropriate motions to delay the trial. So we'll see what happens with that. Lastly, after one o'clock today, I have James Bogan on. There's probably no attorney in the Try State who's more artfully handled aggravated murder death penalty
cases involving not guilty by reason of insanity than James Bogan. I would note that the baseball season has been canceled by the New Richmond Youth Sports Group under Kristin Bennett's a fine woman's leadership. I love New Richmond. I go there once a month or so to the French Street Cafe. I love walking around
New Richmond, the home of the Lions. It's a beautiful community. And the shock that was felt last week when a dad would line up his three, four and seven year old sons are are so beautiful and so filled with life, and to execute them. The only possible defense for that is going to be not guilty by reason of insanity or some other form of diminished capacity, and so James Bogan handles these cases on a regular basis for the judges
in the try state because he is certified to do so. In order to handle these cases now, you must go through a certification process through the State of Ohio Public Defender Program. I would assume that Chad Derman, the vicious murderer, is going to claim poverty. You won't be able to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in his own defense. And I don't know if Claremont County a prosecutor, Mark Tokolva, is going to treat this as a death
penalty case. I'd be shocked if he didn't, because that death penalty is on the books. And if you don't employ the death penalty in this case, with these little innocent children brutally murdered by their own dad, there's no reason to have a death penalty in a sense. If the only deal with one case, the other two are freebies. You've got to have the death penalty in this case. And I think the public in Claremont County would almost
demand the death penalty. So what comes into play then is a vigorous defense by the defense team. It can't be one lawyer, has got to be two or three, and it's got to have numerous psychiatrists appointment. You have to do a jury investigation in polling, you have to amount a vigorous defense.
Otherwise, if and when the death penalty is imposed by Claremont County juries and or a three judge panel, it's going to be scrutinized for the next fifteen to twenty years by every appellate process available in the state of Ohio, because we so rarely execute anybody anymore for anything, and so the Claremont County and the taxpayers are going to have to spend maybe up to a million dollars to try a death penalty case and see it through conviction and the appellate process
that may take fifteen to twenty years. This will go on and on and on long after lives in being because of the nature of the death penalty. And so the criminal defense team will have a choice of requesting a jury trial or a three judge panel to hear the case. And they must have available to them all the money necessary to hire every expert imaginable so that Chad Derman is given the due process he denied his victims So James Bogan is going to
be here in about fifteen minutes to talk about that. He's had a great experience in these similar cases, and I'm gonna ask him about the McNaughton rule and the standards in Ohio which is governed now by statute about how can you present a defense in this kind of a case. It must be extremely vigorous in order to withstand a pellet process. One of the favorite things to do in these cases is ineffective assistance of counsel and the lawyers involved in this case
who will take these cases. And James Bogan has not yet been contacted County. It's going to have to have a lot of money available to them to mount a very, very vigorous defense under the various standards of insanity. There's two aspects. One is at the commission at the time of the commission of the defense of the offense at the time ched Derman lined up his children to murder them, was he then suffering from a mental disease or deffect that made
it impossible for him to discern right from wrong? Then the second aspect is at trial, which will probably take place sometime toward the middle of next year, that is he mentally alert and can he stand trial? So number one, at the time the offense was committed, was he mentally ill as defined by statute? Therefore he's not guilty by reason of insanity? Or Secondly, the lawyers are going to have to determine at the time of trial, can
he counsel with him in his own defense? There's no the difference between right and wrong. Can he conform his behavior to the dictates of law? And so is he saying to stand trial? Is the second aspect when these offenses are committed. Number one, you think about justification or self defense. Obviously that doesn't apply. Or you think about you got the wrong guy. Well
he's confessed to the crime. I don't think that's gonna fly. Can you keep the confession out because he was mentally ill at the time he gave the confession. That's going to be a big issue in the case. Get over those hurdles. He didn't get into the fact that no reasonable person would ever do what he did. It's impossible, so therefore it was insanity by circumstance. I mean, if a husband shoots a wife or a wife shoots a husband, you can say, well that was a marital thing, and it
was. It might have been planned for a while. But a jury can sit there and saying, well, these things do happen. It's terrible, but it's awful. But when you have three innocent children brutally lined up and murdered execution style, the argument might be, well, Chad Derman thought they were a coke machine, or he thought that God was telling him to do it, or he wanted his angels to go to heaven, or Lucifer told me this had to be done. Those all feed into an n GRII not
guilty by reason of insanity. It is very, very very rare to have a jury, especially in Claremont County. You might find more in urban areas in which there's a more diverse jury pool, But when you go to Boone County or Butler County or Claremont County, I can't imagine if has there ever been a not guilty by reason of insanity in any of those counties. Maybe I'll talked to Rob Sanders about this. I don't think so. It's rare to prove that you had no idea what you were doing at the time the
offense was committed. By that I mean, according to the prosecutor's office, he planned this for many many weeks, and each day of those many many weeks, he got up in the morning, he put his socks and shoes on. He was cognizant as his circumstances. He maybe took a shower, he shaved, he put his clothes on, He drove a car, He stopped at stop signs, he stopped at stop lights, he yielded, He
did all those things, showing his mind was working in him. On the day of these fishes unspeakable murders, he probably engaged in behavior that showed a mind that was that was engaged. He did things that his mind worked and caused him to do certain other things, to point the rifle, to load the gun, to plan it out. Those are involved mental processes, and if they involved mental processes, that mean his mind was working, in which
case he could conform his behavior to the dictates of the law. We'll go into all those issues and more with James Bogan after one o'clock today, about one oh seven plus, I've scheduled an interview with Karen Johnson, the Great Karen Johnson of Channel five to talk about the sense in the community. I know the New Richmond baseball team. The boys are on to have stopped play and they're going to do a remembrance of life at six pm on Sunday.
I don't know the leadership of Kristin Bennett is the president of the New Richmond Youth Sports Association. I could not imagine a worse crime committed a more deliberate fashion, but will it be held criminally responsible? That's why we have a great jury system, and I would predict in this case knowing not that other than what's in the media about a year from now when it goes to trial, they're going to try to three judges making legal and psychiatric arguments and not
give a jury a fair shot. It's Chad Derman. Let's continue after one o'clock today. What would James Bogan do and what would he not do? Relative representing a vicious murderer on not Guilty by Reason of insanity? Twelve fifty six, Home of Your Reds going for ten straight tonight on news radio seven hundred Get Georgickets now four hour twenty twenty three. I heard radio music festival
coming back to usually coming into Great American about an hour or so. Would schedule to Karen Johnson of Channel five that you're here to talk about more of what's happening in Claremont County. And there's probably few lawyers in the tri State that have the same experiences of James Bogan when it comes to representing individuals charged with death penalty eligible offenses. There's not been an announcement yet they're going to
go for the death penalty. But to knowing Mark Catolva, who is the prosecutor there, and the fact Claremont County is a very tough place to have a criminal defense, it's made on an n GRI. I would anticipate some decision might be made in the next few weeks to try this as a death penalty case. That puts all kinds of things in play. And of course Chad Derman is facing I hope the death penalty soon for the murder of a seven to five and three year old sons. He lined them up and shot
them one by one. I assumed the seven year old made it out of the house, chased him down in the field, brought him back and executed him again. And James Bogan has great expertise in this area. And James Bogan, welcome again. To the Bill Cunningham Show and James tell the American people about how many aggravated murder cases have you handled and how many were not
guilty by reason of insanity? The so called n GRI. I've handled quite a few, not aggravated murder cases I've handled, but on three death penalty cases, two of them might did not go on to until completion, and the third one we tried it and he was got life without parole. And if you were all last year, I have that roseland Bar shooter where he was schizophrenic and was unmedicated at the time, but he was found by two
separate doctors not to qualify for not guilty by reason of insanity. So when the public says, oh, he'll get off on insanity, that's really a misconception. It's an extremely hard standard to meet. Let's talk about the standard because in this case, as far as the defense is, one might be I didn't do it. That appears to be off the board. Another one might be self defense or justification. That's off the board. The only thing
that remains is n GRII not guilty by reason of insanity. What are the standards in the state of Ohio if someone says I'm not guilty by reason of insanity, what are the standards to find somebody not guilty under that banner, Well, Bill, you would also be looking at competency and the serious mental
illness defense, which applies only to death penalty. But for not guilty better reason of insanity, you have to prove that as a result of a severe mental disease or defect, your client did not appreciate the wrongfulness of their actions. In the rose On Bar shooting case, the reason why the doctors felt that he knew right from was because right after he shot the guy in the
head, he ran, which tends to show that you're wrong. Trying to kill witnesses, trying to get away, or trying to kill yourself are three things that would indicate right from wrong. But in this case, what a lawyer would be looking at with this tragedy in Claremont County is the fact that the defendants did not try to kill any witnesses. He did not try to kill himself, He did not try to run after he shot these boys in
front of a bunch of witnesses. He sat down on the steps and with his rifle by his side, he wasn't holding it was laying by his side, just waiting for the police. And so in a case where he would kill the witnesses, I assume his wife, and in a case where he would try to kill himself and I guess and miss, or in a case he ran away, that would be cognizant of guilt that I know I did
wrong. Therefore I'm getting away from the wrong. And so the fact that Chad Dermot sat on the front steps with the rifle on his left side is indication of insanity. That those are things that his lawyers would need to look at and doctors would ultimately make the determination. But even if he's found not to qualify for ncuilty by reason insanity, there's a serious mental illness defense which
does qualify certain defendants with a serious mental illness from the death penalty. This is under the Ohio Revised Code. If you want me to describe that, yeah, describe amount oil. So instead of I didn't know right from wrong, I didn't know. I thought I was shooting a coke machine and it was my three year old. Assuming that doesn't fly, what is this serious mental defense that you lawyers sometimes look at to get someone free of these charges.
What is that This is actually something that now has to be looked at in every death penalty case. First, the defendant has been diagnosed with either
schizophrenia, schizo effective disorder, bipolar disorder, or delusional disorder. And the second prong is while not meeting the standard for being found knockultly by reason and sandy and being found competent to stand trial, is what significantly the mental illness significantly impaired the person's capacity to exercise rational judgment in relation to the person's conduct with respect to either conforming the person's conduct to the requirements of the law or
appreciating the nature, consequences, or wrongfulness of the person's conduct. Those are the prongs under the serious mental illness defense in Ohio. So he can claim, look, I'm seriously mentally ill. I think according to prosecutors Mark to Cova, he planned this for many weeks. There was a news conference held last week and which prosecutors said he planned this out. Does not work against
a not guilty of a reason of insanity or a serious mental illness. If someone is planning out, if for a period of three, let's say three weeks, he's planning how to do it. He gets up in the morning, he takes his shower, he brushes his teeth, he puts his shoes on, puts his clothes on. That's indication of the mind is working. I don't know if he had a job, but let's say he's working, gets in a car, has enough mental capacity to start the car. He
conforms to the traffic laws as he drives to work. Every day. He has conversations at work with individuals that are of such a character they don't turn him in for mental illness. He then leaves work. He's obeying stop signs, he's stopping its traffic lights, he's yielding to the right away. In other words, his mind is working every step along the way. Doesn't that work against the mental if a If a person's mind is working and there that
proves they're not mentally ill. Yes, that is a factor, and yes, that would be a factor in the probably doesn't possibly doesn't qualify column. On the other hand, what you'd also have to look at is why did he plan it? Did he think these boys were possessed by demons or something. Now I'm just speculating because I'm not a doctor and I'm not on this
case. But those are all things that need to be looked at. Well, tell what hold on on that point, James Bogan, What if God was telling him that he had to kill these three boys, that they had to be sent to heaven or maybe the hell, whatever his sick mind would say. There's some speculation that he was listening to God when he killed the
three boys. That's definitely something to look at that would show delusions. And one thing I was just getting at Bill is I saw an interview with his dad by WCPO, and the dad had indicated that his son had choked him back in twenty ten, or his son was charged with choking in twenty ten.
I'm wondering if thou could have been a sign of something else going on with him twenty ten at his age, that would be around the time where if he does have a mental health issue, that would be he's thirty two now, that would be around the time where first breaks tend to happen because of the male brain that develops by the time they're twenty five or thirty. So if you're a teenage boy or a teenage girl, there's a terrible events
taking place where teenage girls are performing self harm on themselves. That those are the times when mental illness tends to emerge. It's between the ages like fourteen and twenty five years old for a male. So this happened when he was like twenty years old, that would indicate he's going down the avenue of mental
illness. That's something that could be a sign. Now I could be way off on that, and I'm just speculating, but that's something if you're his lawyer, you want to make sure stuff like that is in front of the doctors who are evaluating your bait. You know, they like to have as much collateral information as possible, be as thorough as possible. Now, lastly, on the issue of mental illness, sometimes the quality and character of the
offense committed plays into it. If some man and woman gets into it and they're going crazy at each other and somebody pulls out a gun and shoots the spouse, you can say, well, you know it was a spouse fight. You get emotional, crazy stuff goes on. But when you kill a seven to five and a three year old, there can be no justification. I've seen the pictures and a way of Karen Johnson coming up in about an hour on this topic, they're beautiful little children. Does the quality of the
crime committed play into the fact that no sane person would do that? No, that does not play into it at all. I mean the one time I actually did have a client file found knock the starters in his sandy it was a robbery case where he knocked a guy off his bicycle, took it, and then just stayed right there in the area instead of trying to get
away with it. So, really, Derman, because he didn't leave the scene, because he was compliant, is an indication of n GRII because he didn't run, didn't kill the other witness A shot her in the hand, but he didn't kill the step daughter. That the fact he stayed in the scene helps his defense. I think it does. And he the wife was only shot in the hand. I believe when she was trying to defend the children, she was trying to grab the gun from him. So he did
not kill up with a target. Yeah, so she wasn't a target. He didn't try to kill her. He could have easily take them the gunback pointed at her and blown her away, and he could have easily blown away his stepdaughter or any other witnesses who are there. Now, how does this all fit in the mix? I don't know. Again, I'm just speculating,
but those are all things that would have to be looked at. So the fact that he didn't kill his wife and his stepdaughter and the fact that he stated the scene is more indicative of a mental illness than someone who would leave that you could interpret it is that now. I can't say that to a certainty, again because I'm not a doctor, but that's certainly something to
look at. How hard would it be when I did active cases of NGRII I could always find one or two psychiatrists that would say this person is mentally ill, could not conform his behavior to the dictates of the law, did not know the difference between right and wrong. It wasn't that hard. Since you're in the business actively today, is it somewhat easy or difficult to find a psychiatrist to say that someone is not guilty by reason of insanity? Is
that still somewhat easy to do? You really don't have rent and experts the court clinic. They tend to be well in Hamilton County at the court clinic. I've never used the psychologist or psychiatrist out in Claremont County. But the doctors who are brought in by the court to do the initial evaluation, I've always found them to be very objective. And then when you go and get someone like doctor Carla Dryer or something like that for a second opinion, they're
not going to be. In my experience, the credible ones are not going to be rent and experts. So right now, last question, when I was more actively involved, I wanted cases in Hamilton County, in Cincinnati. I didn't want them in Butler County. I didn't want them in Boone County. I didn't want him in Claremont County because the jury pool can be a
bit more difficult in Claremont County then it might be in Hamlet County. Is that still true, M Yeah, you have to be in my experience, you have to be more careful with jury such and out in the outlying counties. Now, I'm not saying that as a knock on anybody, but that's just by the numbers. But you know, I was, you know in my death Ponty case that was in Butler County, and we were able to get the jury to not even considered a death penalty and you're not being assigned
in the case. Let me ask you this, Jameson, You've got no communication in this case whatsoever. If the court would get a hold of you, because you're one of the few qualified, there's all kinds of certification you got to go through. Well, would you take this kind of case? Absolutely? I go by the old school rule, the unwritten rule that you know of, that when a judge asked you to take a case, you don't say no. And taking it not an endorsement of the client's conduct that
they're accused of. It's an endorsement of the constitution and due process us because if these rights get diminished for even people charged with the worst crimes, they eventually get diminished for the rest of us. And you remember when I was on here last year talking about the story of John Adams right right with a Boston massacre. Yeah, he said he took the case because he believed that every person charged with a crime is entitled to a fair trial and a competent
defense. He felt very strongly about that, and he considered that one of the most important services he ever rendered to this country. Are you looking forward to a telephone call? Because I would not look forward to do in this case. But you're saying you would do it. I would do it if I was asked. Now, do I actively solicit to do these cases?
No, that's ambulance chasing. But whenever a judge asked me to take a difficult case, which judges do, tend to trust me with difficult cases because in addition to my private practice, I do take these some appointm Yes, you do it because it's to make sure there's due process. It gonna be hard, it's gonna be yeah, without due process all of us and makes it it makes it certain the system make sure in the next case they cross all the t's and dot all the eyes by having a rigorous defense of Chad
Derman. I don't think I think it'd be damn near impossible to get a knock guilty in Clarmack County on this case. But otter things have happened. And James Bogan, once again, thank you for your expertise and thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show this Tuesday afternoon. Thank you, thank you very much to thank you Bill, always a privilege, Bill, Thank
you, God bless you. Let's continue with more line becomes available five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand pounds seven hundred to new at and T, and more likely they're going to try this to a three judge panel. I think that's the better. The legal arguments may fall upon more fertile ground to judges than juries, because I don't think jurors are going to give this guy any break at all. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred. Did you know that if you miss any part of our shows,
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What you what does she do on a daily basis? Kamala Harris. He's in charge of the border. Okay, she's doing a crazy job. Yeah, real good. Yeah, they're walking around. Yeah. Now you want to avoid the sound of the question. What answer the question? What is the question? We're getting things done and we're doing it together, so you don't feel misused or underused. No, I don't h The Reds like the
can I have her job? The Reds Yeah, have about the worst record and all of baseball when it comes to pitching e r A. So I don't mean the Equal Rights Amendment either. Well, they've won nine in a row and they're in first place. What first, let's get No, you don't want him. You won Verlander? Should him done? Get justin? You know who? I think they may may go after Zach Grinky of the Kansas City Royals. She had hurt that guy. No, he's he's like
nine eight and two career wise against the Reds. Why not if he can't beat him? Join him is the second worst r A in the National League, the Reds. Only the only worst team is the Rockies. Well, but who's won nine in a row and now in first place and sitting this this this city. I predicted it, of course. Well you know the guy that really laid on it that he didn't want Joey Vado the lineup and
all this stuff. Mo Rocky Rocky barn Lance Lance. Yeah, they wanted him to be fans certainly don't try tate home runs unless I try to hit home runs. He hit a home run, amen to that. Well, Rocky's been after Joey Voter for months. He's gonna chemistry, you know the chemistry, right, What does he know about chemistry? I note? Did
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He lined out in his first at bat. That was no doubt her, I mean absolutely destroyed it out of here to write way back into the seats. Wow, you know the old king looks pretty good in that Viking outfit. Well, what does he ever? Turns forty in September. First time they've been alone in first place since April of twenty twenty one, Well, that doesn't count a half game up on Milwaukee. I'm about toward the middle to end of June. When's the last time they were in first place?
Joel Luckup didn't say that? Where's Joe luck Up when we need him? Also, the most go ahead r R go ahead RBI's as a Red number one Hall of Famer number five Johnny Bench three hundred and seventeen, three hundred and seventeen, Joseph Daniel Vado, I'd say one hundred ninety five, three hundred and fourteen. Really the big dog Tony Perez number twenty four, two hundred and ninety six. Who's the all time Reds first baseman, Tony
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in dire need, Willy. I kind of hope in a sense it was one of those implosions and you're dead within like a split second, yep, instead of at the bottom in the dark and the cold, gasping for air and dying in the mini sub. Zoo animals are gonna meet and greet fans into fan Zone from five forty five to six fifteen to night and during the first inning. But about Fritzy, they're gonna bring in Bbu, Tucker, Fritz and Fiona. I heard those hippos. They're not gonna be they make
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on that line and vote for Reds dot com. I think Matt's been here less than a month, adn't he pretty much? And Elie de la Cruz has probably got a few votes too, So let's see what happens. I've been here long enough. Also, let's see Friday Night. Don't miss Quinn ninety two. Who's turning ninety two? Quinn ninety two is performing live at
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in the club at fifty to sixty million dollars a season. His debut for Inner Miami. He's gonna be July twenty first in a League's Cup match. Wait, and of course he's here in the Queens City August the twenty third. Now, who's gonna be bigger coming to town in about a week? Taylor Swift for two days or when the big m rolls into town. That's a flash pole item right there. That's what I want to know. So you're saying that Messi, Yes, it's going to play in Cincinnati August to
twenty third. Correct, he's debuting for Inner Miami CF July twenty first in the League's Cup match. I'll tell you what I would normally call Jeff burning at this point, but I'm not using my phone anymore on the air, so I'm done with her. Why he gets a signing bonus two? What's that? I don't know who knows an ownership equity in the club once he retires? Messi, Messi is coming to town. And also we say Willie congrats to Purcell Marion's own d Alexander. We had her here past couple of
years right on with us. She wins the gold medal with the United the Team USA and the PHIBA U sixteen America's Championship. I taught her how to shoot, and I also got a hold of one. I also got a hold of Walton Verona this morning. Walton Verona State Championship Track team will be in studio June twenty seventh, Tuesday at one thirty June. When June twenty seventh, I'll be here, all right, that's pretty good stuff. And
then we got the center Ville girls coming in the two days later. Julie Rodgers is going to be here on Thursday of this No, next week, next week right with the Centerville girls state golf team, the home of the Elks. Probably give you a few tips I could use. What about the other night the other day at the US Open, when that amateur guy was putting I saw it. You know what. Dj Hodge, our great golf expert here at the station, told me that something the group ahead of him
yanked the pin out of the cup and made the cup do that. It was like, oh, yeah, I've have you ever seen it? Yes? You have? The ball won in the middle of the cup and at the end of it a bit of flap up on the soil. The ball hit the flap on the opposite of the cup and threw the ball back and the ball went in the middle of the hole. But the flap calls it to throw the ball back. Well, that's because the group ahead some guy yanked the pin out and messed that cup. Well, then he ought to
be fired. Correct. What about Wyndham Clark though pretty good McElroy Again, those guys would have been five thousand under par if all those puts would have felled instead of right at the last second, left right. You don't have They don't have that problem. I'm dead center correct. You would have. You would have. You would have tamed lacc with no problem. You know, my buddies invited me to play there, and I think I will. Now that was a wo Mick Cronin, who by the way, he said,
is he a member there? Yes? By terrible gall Yes. I like playing them because uh always means take five bucks from It'd be Mick Cronin you, Uh, Wayne Cruci, Wayne Crucie, Mike mccau, Johnny Kraft, Johnny Kraft, get them all and and uh Uh, I could stay in the poolhouse and uh and uh, mister Gregory Downtown, Tom, Tom and Dean, Tom and Dean. Get them both there you go, get them all. Be a hell of a matchup right there. You ain't kidding
segment, Get me out of the stude repart. We have the great Karen Johnson of News five Yes coming up in about fifteen minutes talking about coverage of Chad A. Dorman, the thirty two year old murderer who three little boys or angels Willie yep, I we hit on a course, said James Bogan, who does specifically this kind of work, which is n g R eyes on egg murders, which is not guilty by reason of insanity. If you
sat on that jury, would you find Chad dorm and not guilty? I guess the answer the answers the answers no, God, I'd say no chance, which is why you try to three judges on a panel and don't try it to a jury. I can't imagine a jury saying, you know what, not guilty. How he's going to judge a judge deal instead of the jury. Yes. How are you going to find a jury out in that area? You know might be difficult or do you move it to handle change
of venue. You got a better shot here, and that's been Then you go in front of j G right, Justice Joe, Joe Dieters. He's got swords in one hand anymore. I haven't talked to him on the air. He's not he's gone. Joe Dieters is gone with those to be our buddy. And you stop in and say hello every so often. It's too big. He's got a smoking jacket, he's got some champagne. Jeez.
You go to the Supreme Court and you just forget about your friends. Put his feet up like me and you, and has a sword in one hand and lightning bolts in the other. Ruling from Afar. By the way, I have been asked to go to the Supreme Court and be of justice. Chief Justice has asked me to be involved in the unveiling of a portrait for Justice Douglas, and I told her yes, yes, So next Wednesday I'll be in Columbus with the unveiling of the portrait about that of Justice Andy Douglas.
Now what are they going to put one up for the first lady meet you and then jj JJ will have his own together on one wall. Yes, Justice, Joe will ask me to mc his function when his portrait is exhibited to the assembled multitude. And those are big two right, I mean those are masters six feet which in the back of a white horse with the sword of God in one hand and a lightning bolt in the other. That'll be justice that cowboy had on Sheriff Jones with some of Joe's classic cuts.
Sheriff, could you play a few of the cuts? He his voice, just hear his voice once again? Yeah, Nick, next time, the next Stuge will do that because we're gonna play calls or nothing. We miss him. He's too big a weeks too big. Yeah, now you know that's the way it is. Say give me out of the Studge report.
We have coming up in about twelve minutes. The great Karen Johnson of News five or five stands for sports William Utter of the first place, Red's nine in a row and make it at ten and not gonna lose the rest of the season. Well, Nick, crawl, gather pitching talent like Justin Verlander and maybe Max Scherzer. What do you think We leave you with the immortal words of the student report against Matt Morris in his career and officially counting today
is two four eleven against the cardinal's right hand. The pitch at a high five hit back into deep right. Ki, your head just knocked the board, but I'm hard block. Hey, Hi, bribing the Laura Gack in life lumber thirty touches at all? My boy, what a father thing you perceive. I have a text here from the great Bob the Bricklayer quote. If I'm on the jury, I'll show each day with a rope. Now that's an indication of what Clairemont County thinks about this Chad Dorman. It may
not get a fair trial. No, he will get a fair trial if Bob the Bricklayer is on the jury, because bringing the rope is fair. Would you agree? Sounds Let's continue Bill Cunningham with Karen Johnson next on his radio seven hundred w aught of you take it to Miami Valley Games. Baseball continues to kick off tonight about six ten going for ten in a row.
The REGI in first place. This is unbelievable what's happening. But something equally unbelievable on the dark side of life is the murder of these three boys in Claremont County. I had on about an hour ago, Attorney James Bogan lying out the possible lines of defense about insanity, incapable of conforming his behavior to the dictates of the statute. The fact I find this amazing Number one.
The fact that he didn't kill the witnesses I guess there were two, which is the step daughter and the wife, is in indications of perhaps mental illness. The fact that he didn't flee the scene, that he sat on the steps with the rifle on his left indicated that he didn't behave as a normal
murderer would have behaved, whatever the hell that is. And that somehow the criminal defense bar will come up with gymnastic arguments to indicate that Chad Derman, the murderer, the father thirty two years old, is not legally responsible even
though he committed the offenses. But a person that's been following this Matterson's last Thursday is the great Karen Johnson of News five and Karen, once again, welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. When this thing, when this thing broke last Thursday, I watched some of the coverage that you had of this, and it was like, well, police aren't saying much right now. But
they're standing around and the apprehension has taken place. But when this thing first broke on Thursday, and you cover offenses like this on a regular basis, what to struck you as unusual about the coverage? At least in the beginning, Glad to tell you, you know, the first one, we are hearing how three children were dead, So many thoughts go through your mind.
Did someone just snap to be flee the scene? But then when we started learning more that there were three young boys who were dead and the father was at home, started hearing more and more horrific details, how the stepdaughter was running down the road telling people my dad's killing everyone. The mom was shot. It was just there was so much happening at once, and every time
we heard another detail, it just got more horrific and more unbelievable. And as far as the community itself Claremont County and Monroe Township as a special place, Monrone Township, I think it only has seven or eight thousand people. And this is the second horrible event. I'm watching you last Thursday and Friday talk about it. This is the second time in a small little community a similar thing happened. Talk about what happened with that woman who snapped. Also,
yeah, that was I believe Ohio township. But both of them right outside New Richmond, New Richmond mailing addresses. We are here. You have a mom who killed her entire family except for her daughter. She killed her husband, her son, her father, her daughter. Her daughter survived, and you know she turned the gun on herself. That situation, you know, we don't have, you know, the court process like we do here.
We never really got any answers as to what happened. We understand their house was in foreclosure and she may have been hiding Matt from her family. Completely different situation than you have here, just several miles away from one another. Here, you have a father who is accused of murdering his three little sons. And according to all the witnesses and the police made their own mother watch what happened, it's and then he did not take his own life.
He just sat on the step. And if you watch that body camera footage, he's just sitting there on the step. Police come over to him, you know, they take him to the grounds. They you know, they get him and then he's like, they ask, what's going on nothing. Can you can you stand me up? I'm a little uncomfortable here on the ground. It's like what And when I had James Bogan on, he says, that's the indication of insanity because no reasonable person would what would stay at
the scene. He would have killed the witnesses. I'm thinking, well, you know, a criminal defense lawyers, god knows, I know how they think have to come up with something. That something is you have to come up say, Judgie, did it got You gotta say, well, a reasonable person having killed a three, four and seven year old would have killed the two witnesses and they would have left the scene. And I'm going, well, you gotta come up with something. Yeah, and that's a criminal
defense stands bow were the great, great defense attorney. Obviously that's his perspective. But you talk to prosecutors. You hear what they said in court last week. They're saying this was planned and Chad Dorman had this plan for several months. So can you And I'm not an attorney, but can you really say, Okay, you know, criminally insane, but yet you're planning a
murder of your three children. No, I've had murder cases and what's a woman killed her husband and two sons believing they were coke machines and that she had gotten a message that these were Coca Cola machines and she had to kill them because they were dispensing evil sugary products. You hear something like that, you're thinking, Okay, that woman's she might be crazy, but she thought that she was killing an inanimate metal object. But in this case, Mark
Catolva took alva. The prosecutor said he planned it for months, so that means you had I like to know do we know whether when the rifle was purchased? Do we know when the AMMO was purchased? In other words, if you're planning these things, how are you going to do it? And what is the mind a three year old just almost like a toddler who is shot down with a rifle in cold blood in front of the mother. I mean, this is so out of character. You'd have to say the person's
crazy that did it. But how can you be excused for that insanity? If you planned something that indications says the opposite of insanity, if your mind is working exactly. And we're so curious to see what prosecutors have they've been very tight. Lift understandably, they want to protect the investigation the Sheriff's office.
They haven't told us many details, but I'm sure once there's an indictment, which I do expect this to go to a grand jury sometime this week, so I think he'll be ended pretty quickly, and I think after that indictment we'll start learning more of those details. And on the scene that you have a Channel five that they released the body cam, the bodies appeared to be in the front yard, and so someone I would assume Chris Derman took the bodies from inside the house and put them in the front yard, as
if he's exhibiting something to the world. I'd have I'd like to know where when the gun was purchased, when the MMO was purchased. But there were indications then you do reporting. There was indications that neighbors had said that he was always barking at his wife and kids. Yeah. I spoke to one neighbor who doesn't live too far and he just said that there was violence, There was temper. There was a man who had threatened I guess the neighborhood
dog at one point to slit the dog's throat. So you have neighbors painting Chad Dorman as a violent man who had, you know, a lot of issues when it came to violence. You have other people who I've spoken to who say they've known him since high school and they should know what this surprises us because he was very normal, like we've never known him to have any kind of violent tendency. So but again, those are people way back when
what you know, fifteen sixteen, eighteen years ago. Neighbors, though, are seeing coming out saying now they've witnessed in recent years him being violent, maybe not physically, but verbally. And I wonder if the neighbors or his wife has got to be in a state of shock. She has to be in care herself at this point, feel a sense of remorse. I should have done this, I should have done that. And I always tell those individuals, look, you deal with these circumstances as they take place in real
time. Looking back, everything we've done in our life would be a whole lot better from twenty twenty hindsight. But the mother who was shot in the hand, I would think, and the neighbors are thinking to themselves, why didn't I stop this ahead of time? I know, but she tried. From what we're hearing, she tried. And you know, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. We don't know. You know, this
is all speculation at this point. I did speak to the stepdaughters, one of her good friends who would sleep over the house, and she said, you would't sleep over great family. Yeah, they were strict. There were bedtimes, there were curfews, but there were never any red flats. And this is someone who spent the night in that house. But yain, when people are inside your house, you just don't know what's going on when it's just Stuf the family and you're behind those doors. Thirty two years old.
As far as previous criminal offenses, there were some neighbors talking about, but it is I'm I right to say that Chris Dorman had no criminal contact for at least the last thirteen years. Yeah, Chad Dorman, he twenty ten. I believe he had a domestic violence charge against his father. That charge was dropped though, no conviction there, and we went through his criminal history and aside from that, you know, traffic offenses. That was about it.
So if you hear someone here's a man on who I'm on paper, you know, doesn't look like a bad person. And he went he worked. I don't want to give out the name of the company. That's terrible advertisement. But didn't he have like a regular job? Uh? Yeah, I you know, a little unclear on that. There's been some conflicting, you know, stories of what he did. Um. I heard he was basically handyman carpentry is one of the stories. But I wasn't able to really
get that confirmed. And you've been at this probably know more about that than I do. Yeah, I thought, I don't want to mention the name of the business. It's not the best problem. I don't blame you, um, as far as your career and television when you look back on it, hopefully ten or fifteen, twenty years from now, isn't this one of those things? So I kind of spoke to Brian Hamrick about this something you just can't you can't forget and can't put down. So this is and down
the worst story I've ever covered. I can tell you when we first pulled up to that scene, it was the day after Friday morning. The one thing that struck me there was this little kid's bicycle just laying there in the lawn, laying there on the lawn, and I just I can't get that image out of my head. Probably who knows, just hours before this happened, the kid might have been riding that bicycle. The family that the friends
in the neighborhood, So those kids were always outside. They love the outdoors, they love fishing, they love baseball, and they just love running their bikes. They love running. So here you just have this tire swing in the front yard in one location, and you have this bicycle playing there in another location, and you just have to think those boys will never get to
play on those toys ever. Again. It's so difficult being out there, and my heart goes out to the first responders, the dispatchers of firefighters, the police officers, because I can't imagine what they're going through having to have actually been the first responders on a scene like this. And Karen Johnson and
News five. I talked to Matt Alder about it. He's head of the union the firefighters and CPD and I'm sorry since I have fire department, and he talks about you can't unsee certain things that the worst cases are children that are brutalized by their loved ones. And you can't unsee a dead three year old shot you dead. You just can't unsee that they barely live a life. They're innocent, they have they did nothing wrong, and evil just took
them away from everyone. Have you heard about religious ideations that that God told him to do it? I went over this or James Bogan, you know a message from God to kill innocent children, a messvil a message that my angels have got to fly. And I talked with him about whether that works
on an n GRII and generally it doesn't. And I can't concede eva this case being tried before a jury because you don't want twelve jurors and Claremont County to get their hands on and Chad Dorman, you want three judge panel. And I would anticipate that Mark TOOKLVA the county Prosecutor's gonna later this week and died under the death penalty, which means you can choose a three judge panel
or jurors. And most of us on this side of the table thinks this is the kind of case you have to try to three judges because juris just don't understand completely. And maybe a psychiatric argument on legal grounds under the McNaughton standard or right from wrong and that kind of stuff. There might be one of the three judges that say, well, the guy was guy was insane. Yeah, I agree, I don't see how this could be a jury trial when it gets to that point. If it gets to that point,
there's just there's no way. I mean, if you look at all the comments, there's you know, every time you cover some kind of murderer homicide is a little bit of sympathy or the other side. In this case, you haven't seen anyone defending him in any way, shape or form, whatsoever.
Criminal defense team is going to have to be given all the money necessary to mount a strong defense because by the time this thing goes through the appellate process that can take ten to twenty years, everyone's going to scrutinize everything about the case. So you have to provide this is going to cause Claremont County upwards of a million dollars or more to defend Chad Dorman. Because so often
on appeal these things are reversed based upon ineffective assistance of counsel. And the first thing the lawyers will say, there's got to be at least two or three is we didn't have the money to hire the right psychiatric team, didn't have the money to hire the right investigators, didn't have the amount of money to talk about the jerry pool and the kinds of people that would sit on the jury. And so Claremont County has got to get ready to spend a
million dollars or more to defend Chad Doorman. And I think the good citizens of Claremont County can't figure that out. When a similar event took place in February, the murder suicide of Teresa Cain, she left a man, his son, another relative dead, at least in that case, she killed herself. And these were adults. But nobody can understand to look at the pictures you've put out of a three, four, and seven year old come up
with any reasonable basis to kill them in the manner they were murdered. And then when he chased down the one that got out, I would assume it was the seven year old who went into the field. Mentally, his mind was working to go chase that person down, to pick him up, I'm sure, kicking and screaming and bringing him back to the leaving room to kill
him in front of the dead bodies of his brothers. Those are all cognitive acts, and so I think Claremont County has got to get ready to number one for a change of venue, which probably would up be granted Number two. A multimillion dollar defense. The taxpayer have got to pay for Chad Dorman. But also you had some reporting on Kristin Bennett. Can you talk about the new Richmond Youth Sports what they're doing. Oh, they have really done
so much. Wednesday, the night before this happened, the four year old or seven year old played their final games and obviously all those kids traumatized people. You know, coaches never did a million years. I think that would be their last game. They have really come together. They had brought people together. Last weekend they have canceled some of the games. They've been raising
money for the family. And next weekend, next Sunday evening, they're going to have another vigil or service for the first responders as a thank you to them for what they did. But they've really stepped up to the plate, so to speak, to really help this family, as has so many people in the community. Last I checked yesterday between the two bold funding sites, the ones that we betted from the sister and the friends almost two hundred thousand
dollars right for the family. So there's been so many people, you know, through all these tragedies, that's what you see. You see the good people coming together, railing around the family, given their private giving them the privacy, but also helping them in any way they can, because you know, it's the mom here. She was a stay at home mom. From what I understand, she became a stay at home mom when the three year old was born to the last three year was the provider. So she has
a long road ahead of her. So I just think the community has been wonderful. Now, Karen Johnson, I can't imagine the funerals of these three boys with mom. I can't imagine the heartache. It's insufferable. I can't imagine what mom is going through. Once again, we'll be watching tonight Karen Johnson and News five. Thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Thank you, Billy you have do take care. God bless you. Let's continue unspeakable evil. I know God exists because evil is at
work in Monroe Township. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven is here to commit to work with the governor and the delegation to make sure that we get this fixed quick fast as well too. This is the president that is committed to infracturter Yeah. And then on top of that, the Jewel, a kind of a uh law of the ins in fresh Bill then is going to make sure that there's gonna be bridges all across like this, all across the America getting rebuilt. Hello, hello, hello client,
I'm broadcasting Rock. You have a choice. Is that is that Senator Diane Feinstein, Joe Biden or John Fetterman leader? Because I pulled the clip. Yeah, so we wouldn't need leadership. Two of our best leaders standing right next next to each other there, two together came laying it all out,
put it on. They don't at least und iq among the tree. And what if, I hate to say, what if there was a Republican president with Biden's mental acuity and a prominent US senator like Diane Feinstein or John Fetterman, what would the media be doing with that, killing him, breaking him to the coals, unfit trust the science. Hundreds of doctors have declared them mentally ill ill. Let's have more experts testify speaking mentally ill not youth.
Segment I had on a couple hours ago James Bogan, criminal defense attorney who does the work of egg murders, not guilty by reasons n gri He says he's got to come up with something, right. Yeah, Number one, the proof that he is not us saying is that he did not kill the two witnesses who's the mother, his wife and the stepdaughter, and that he didn't flee the scene. Therefore, a mentally fit person would have killed the witnesses in addition to the three boys and left the scene. So the fact
that he stayed is evidence of mental illness. Do you buy that one? No, he explained this to me because I've never understood this. Okay, whether he's mentally ill or not insane not, it still doesn't detract from what he did. So why would that be a factor in what his sentence would be for this maybe the most unbelievable crime I've ever seen. As segment knows, many states have guilty but insane? Right or would you factually commit at
the offense but you're not legally responsible for it? But you're going to go to prison until you're restored to sanity, and then once you're restored to sanity in the mental hospital, then you start serving to someone explain how you do that and then get thank you store to sanity, Thank you Rock. Come
on this show, Ohio has n gri notis insanity. That means if you can prove that at the time of the fence it didn't comport himself with the standards of the insanity law, or he can't stand trial because he's mentally ill presently, then you and as he did, so why should his punishment be less? You got to talk to the lawmakers. You were one at one point. Joe Dieters. Joe Dieters. Wait, just as Joe is gone,
he's he's up in the up the higharch. He would feel the same way about this as I. He's got a smoking jacket on, he's got a pipe cigarette holder. You know what, we had to start calling Melissa Powers instead of Joe anymore. I would expect prosecutors to act like prosecutors that Joe called him quick. There you go, quick one. But I'm telling you now that when this case is and God will lose their mind more so than that that woman that killed those people in the which was the car on
what was it? Oh? God? Oh South Carolina went into the water? Yes, killed the two boys right well? Hit And if he's found not killed him by reason, I'm insanity. He goes to a mental hospital. Then when he restored to sanity, he's released. Is that what you want? Oh? Because there's no personal responsibility as a part of the he's mentally elder there. The fact that it didn't doesn't matter reasonably means he's insane.
A reasonable person would have killed the witnesses and left the scene. That's a good argument, but he still committed that he should pay for That's what a just society. Would you buy it? I'd have to think about it, because, after all, you'll always ask gus, what about you taking to the top of a building, just just toss it's time? He would anybody object to that? Some lawyer out there would saying you can't take away his lawyer, his rights, his rights. What about the rights those three
boys? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well we'll see what I've ever heard of. Karen Johnson has covered everything bad in the world. She said, this is the way. Can you imagine the first responders going to the scene, Oh, those men and women need. You can't unsee something. I don't know how they're gonna honor them this Sunday at six o'clock New Richmond, and they should be honored. But the idea, and how about the mother
bearing her three children? Can imagine segment, give me some sports and try to be serious, Willy the stude reporters a proud service every local time Star heating and air conditioning dealers tame star quality. You could feel the Northern Kentucky called Johnson Heating and Cooling at eight five, nine, four, seven,
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Voto was. He's a thing of the past and we's all about the future now on the best first basement, don't don't try tit home runs unless I try to hit home runs. I mean, how do you argue with that? Tell me how adding a historically good baseball player to Ross Lance doesn't know what he's talking about. Uh, It's Zoo night at the ballpark tonight. Willie Lanzily joined the zoo animals as they meet and greed fans in the
fan zone at five forty five to six fifteen. And during the first inning some of those animals are going to be in a pregame parade around the warning track at six thirty. Geta and say, get Tucker the whole family out there about leading those boys? Oh man, So yeah, would you do that? Would you get? Lead them? By the negative? Would you
rather be in a submersible? At the bottom of the video of this hippo and where was somewhere in Africa And there's like a boat with a motor on it and it's going down this river and this hippo is chasing the bat. Yeah, it's like that boy can move. If Fritzy wanted to go one direction, nobody could stop him. No, I'm going this way, will go ahead, get a hot dog? Also, William golf News, Well, there's friends, right, now there's Fritz two Cincinnati area golf courses.
Recently among golf we fifteen private golf courses in the Buckeye State, not the Friendly Confines of the Kenwood country Club, Camargo Club ranted number two. I've shot sixty on the list there by the way, six mirror field of a number one in the state of Ohio, seventy five the cold Stream, I've shot sixty one, number fifteen in the state. Not on that list Avon Fields, the Friendly Confines right down the street from us. And also that's
Tony Tulusiac's fault co owned by Dale Donovan and mar Shearer. Macatee Wah Country Club. What thank you? What? Where's that at Von Hill? Aren't you remember there? Right here? Oh? Marty Brennaman in Amanda ars Swung Golf Club was last week? Though I don't know. I mean, but the proof is into pudding. Shall we say? It takes five years to join Kenwood country Clubs. Get four o'clock today, That's all I can say.
Some people rank country Club out to be ranked. It's the it's the home of the Kroger Classic, presented by P and G. By the way, someone's son is hospitalized. Herb Street is hospitalized at Ohio State. What do you know about that? What? What? That's what I'm saying? What Kirk has It's no, not Kirk's son hit the wire out of Columbus. I monitor all events simultaneously and I see that though, and it's not
Chase. So that say X, you gotta you gotta chase that. You gotta look at you gotta see what's going on, because uh, no one is saying anything. Got this pot event I'm doing with him on Saturday. Check it out next, I'm gonna check this out, check it out, see what's going on? Who else is there with you can't say can't say no. Luke myself didn't he didn't he raise He raised money for Deer Park too. I asked him about that. He said, you can't remember.
Dear like dear Field, dear playing Deer Park, dear zoo is. Of course Zach curb Street has been hospitalized. So I want you to check it out. The best to him, We wish him the best. Oh my god. I like Kirk curb Street despite the protestations of Rocky Boyman. I love him and Lee Corso on College. It's the best, best I wouldn't mention it, but it's a headline of the inquirer. Him buck eyes, tight end, zach herb Strad hospitalized to see what's going on? Got check
it out? Um, back to this for real quick. In your opinion, what are what are the two qualities that make a golf course great? What do you have for him? To have greens? You gotta be really good greens and architecture. In other words, is it a golf course you have to balls right to left, left to right? Does it have good party challenging? Challenging? You got to challenge every aspect of your game. Do you have knockdown shots? Do you have shots? You got to spin
the ball. It's the sand in great shape. Many times you got a sixty five yards shot and you have options the bump and run. Yeah, the Saint Andrew shot. You have options of the gap wedge to take it to the hole. Out of people, you got the sixty degree wedge. I've made a sixty three degree wedge. You can spin the ball up by the hole and suck it near the cup. So it depends on the greens, the contours of the golf course. To spin the archtop, you've been
out to Harrison at the Great Circling Hills golf Course. H huh, we mean it was he just read Circling Hills and Harrison Circling What has a couple of miles from my house? Circling Hills. Yeah, Circling Hills. Why don't you go out there for once? Yeah? Yeah, I'm scared of playing that course rock than the third hole. The people have got to decide in our club has the longest wait period and the most money to join of any club in the Midwest. Period. That's five years to get in and
one hundred thousand dollars put the money up front. Well, let's know when you can play. Now, who else does that? Do you have to pay for the round of golf? Now pay having paid one hundred grams, you get free than the cart and the hot dogs and the Bahama Mama mamas. I like Bahama Mama mammas. Yes, spicy. So if I wanted to join it would I would? I couldn't get in for five years. Met unless your name is Kirk Hurbstreet, then you get in immediately. Or
Joe Burrow. How long did you have to wait? About two and a half years. But that was back back in the Oh yeah, yeah, it got to a point where you could just pay the money and get in. But now it's something different. You got to go through the tribunal, unless you're Kirk Hurbstreet getting getting right away elitis or Joe Burrow there getting right away. Otherwise, get in line, your peng underlings, get in line, know your role and shut your mouth. Wow wow, And Kroger wannabes
get in line. What's your name, Rodney? What mcmahlin. Get in line, rod We call you a hot rod. Say give me some more sports make Barrett Barret, you're out of wait, John, I'm sorry, Bill pomp Evans, not Jim Evans or Dug Evans Evans herb straight Burrow and come come this way, but pay the money up front. I thought they had monthly payments. No, oh, you write the check right then, right there on my desk, right there, open up the briefcase layer right
there. Dan, did you just lay the green salad of Salve Ancient on him? In like I think Piles. I think it was tens of cash. What much money it was? It like ten or twelve thousand? I think? What does maintenance of a golf course like that costing six million dollars thirty six holds just to pay all the people pass and put it all at six mill and don't ask, don't tell Rock. That's all I'm saying. You've already said too much. We have. We have a producer coming and
whose name is Stone. He'll be known as Little Rock from this point for Stone and Rocky. And by the way, I threw that name by my wife is one of the names of our children. And she said that's not gonna work. Where I like that name. I say, a great name. Let's a country singer, yeah, or maybe a criminal with tattoos one or the other. Well, I'll say this. Women goersional arm wrestler. He can't do it now, Kenny, No, But women go through so
much in their lives to have babies. Feeling better, feel better? Still doesn't look are they down to cash shoe sides? They're still beach balls. Circumference is uny And you did it for your a woman didn't. That's exactly every day by every man, I tell. I told Penny on Sunday, there's two days a year I get my birthday and Father's Day. Other than that, the other three sixty three is yours. I get two that didn't
work either. I didn't even get that one. No, you still paid for dinner, right, absolutely, okay, get to do what you wanted to do to the dinner buffet of the KCC seven hundred dollars. But what you do buy for the whole place? No, I was just you paid the hundred friends that included anything. Wow, you'll pay and you'll like it. I know your role and shut your can I stop by the next next
Father's Day and check Christmas even or Christmas Eve buffet a thousand dollars. By the way, last time I was at KC, I was had to meet someone there for lunch. Can't say who. J I walked in to have dropping me hard nuts, walked in without a collar shirt. Didn't go over well, I'm sorry, sir. You must go down the shop with a mega death like, hey, sir, we can bring you a shirt and I'm like, no shirt, No, sorry, we can bring you one. What's his crime? We what's his crime? Shirt? Ninety five dollars?
Or do you just say put it on Cunningham's tab. That's what I should have done. Cross that. I'm sorry. When did they get a large an extra large shirt here. What what was that? Oh? He had a guy come in to bring one up. Put him on the tab, bring one up. I'm getting texts from my boys at Kenwood. Boy all I'm hearing his preach, preach, that's all. I'm hearing his preach. All. What's on the big show today? If anything, we got your girlfriend Tanya Rourke right out of the gate. I'm tired of her,
sired of her. Okay, well, I'm Karen Johnson now now going to Channel five. Huh five stands for news um and then let's see we are at ABC R Yeah, three thirty five. An update on the submarine contraction thing. What being like a billionaire and saying, you know what, I'm gonna get this thing. They made it out of used pipes, takes like seventeen bolts the locker from the outside, and they have like, you know,
pump some air in that thing. That's you any amount of money ground because of pressure after their first two to three hundred feet have forty hours of air left. Is with the latest calculation, I hope they had the implosion deal, in which case you're dead within a mini second. You're just thirty two hundred pounds of pressure where they were at going to six thousand eaten by krill. You'll be remains will be eaten by the other fifteen hundred souls at
the bottom of the ocean. Sounds exciting for today. Don't want to exactly, don't want to be in the Claremont County guy and submarine guys. You wouldn't find this guy not guilty, which you would have to you'd have to do some work on us one to throw them off the top of a tall building. One of the perspective jurors that I'll take rope with me every day to the jury bucks, take some rope man segment, Get me out of the Stege report, William and her of those red legs making it ten in
a row tonight unbeatable. But Lance mcgallaster is wrong once again. Who will be the hero battos on the Shall we say the d h tonight? We leave you with the immortal words of the stew report. Thank you, We're welcome said, Let's have a lot of spots to read Rocky, thank you, thank you segment. Thank you, Yes, sir, Let's continue with more. We never stop. We simply continue. On News Radio seven hundred ww Get your Tickets now dot com for our twenty twenty