Billy Cutting into Great American Red Baseball Off today. They got three games and used him starting Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Believe it or not, the Red Legs are now one and a half games out of first place, one and a half games out of first by the records thirty four and thirty five and one and a half games out of first place. And this could be a preview of the World Series. They used in astronomicals, of course,
of the reigning the World Series champs. But the Reds right now the hottest team in baseball, and most of their teams not coming back for another few weeks, they can win. They can win without their best players, supposedly, and even the Great Della Cruise at this point has gone goose egg the last three games. But nonetheless, you may recall a couple of weeks
back, and we had the story of Professor Scott Gerber. Scott Gerber, who was at Ohio Northern University College of Law for some twenty two twenty three years, received about every award that the law school could give him. Very well respected law school professor who was perp walked out of his own classroom by university security personnel because he wasn't thinking right about diversity and d EI and Professor
Scott Gerber, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Professor, for those who meant not have been listening a couple of weeks ago, can you tell the American people the circumstances that brought you to radio this Thursday afternoon on April fourteenth, I was teaching my constitutional law class, and just as my class was ending, just before one o'clock, multiple campus security officers came into
the room in front of my students. Came to the front of the room at the electorn where I was, and whispered into my ear something to the effect of your respected member of the campus community, please follow us quietly to the Dean's office. And then at the door waiting for me were armed town police and then they all they, all of them, the group of them led me to the Dean's sweet where the dean. They then took me into the dean's office where handed me a piece of paper and said I had one
week to either resign or he would institute the ten year revocation process. And so that's basically what got all this started at this moment and when they're whispering in your ear. You're a respective member of the community follow us. Did you what did you think? Was it like an active shooter in your mind? Was family member had died? What did you think? Well, I was confused when they did it. I was frightened. I looked up and
the students looked frightened, and of course I was humiliated by it. But you mentioned the active shooter scenario. In fact, the campus newspaper, a student who wrote an article about it, characterized it as it seemed like the school was on lockdown because of some active shooters. So that's how ridiculous this overkill with the armtown police was. So the number of armed guards would have been three, four or five, and you're walking to the dean's office.
You've got to be thinking, oh my gosh, what's going on? And so what precipitated this? Because I know what it is, but many may not know. At this point, you had been there some more than twenty years. You're well published. I've read some of your work in the passes an Attorney. The Wall Street journals are rated on this. In your mind, what were you told was the reason you were perp walked down to your own classroom. Well, the dean put on the piece of paper that it
was collegiality. I either insufficient collegiality, but of course that's not even listed in the faculty handbook obviously as the grounds for terminating a professor. But the timing of it was that, you know, earlier that week I had written an op ed in The Hill saying that Justice Clarence Thomas was allowed to have friends, including a rich friend like Harlan Crowe. And then the week before that I had done a TV interview, you know, criticizing these d EI
programs for drifting into illegality. And the week before that I had published two op eds, one in Your Cincinnati Enquiring one in the Washington Examiner making the same point. Earlier in the semester, I had pushed back against the fact that our d EI program declude viewpoint diversity, and the president herself said that they would not include viewpoint diversity when that's the most important type of diversity you
need in a college and in the university setting. And you know, I had objected to illegal hiring practices in the past in the law school and things like that, and so they just want to violate the law and get away with it. And as far as Clarence Thomas and Harlan Crowe, this is of course in national issue. And I've driven through Ada, I've driven through
High University, the county. But for those listening around the country, this is a small rural county, a little bit south of Toledo, and the most popular thing you see in that area are cornfields, and so one would not anticipate this isn't exactly Stanford College of Law or NYU or Michigan College of Law in which the so called best and the brightest might go there. Because I won the University of Toledo and I got a great legal education in the
University of Toledo up the road from o NU. So how would you describe to the American people listening around the country the quality and character of those living around Ada, Ohio. We're not talking about a hotbed of left wing politics, correct, Yeah, the community, it's it's Trump country where I'm at. But the university, not surprised, is on the left, you know, far left, and you know, and I love working with my students and all of that, but clearly I'm not allowed to oppose what I view
as illegal hiring practices that d EI has led to. And speaking of how small and will Aida and O and you are, I think that is. And someone's actually told me this that because it's so small and isolated, the administration thanks, no one will care what happens there, for example, what happens to me, No one will careres If I was at Ohio State, which is an urban, massive university, or if I was at Toledo, where you went to law school, it's more urban and larger and it would
get attention. So I think the administration is frankly shocked that this has gotten so much attention nationally. You mentioned the Wall Street Journal. I've been on your Great show now twice. Michelle Kafoya, her interview with me a couple of weeks ago, has the most used by far of anything on her show
her on their podcast series. There was an article this week and Just the News where they had yet another development where they published a quote from a recently graduated law student where the dean of the law school accused him of cheating on a paper that he had written for a class from from me that won a national award, a national award which got him five thousand dollars and the university five thousand dollars, simply because the law student had contributed twenty dollars to the
Scott Gerber Legal Fund go fund me page. Think about think about that? Sorry, harm expliment a student. Yeah, a student receives an award and references you and the university comes after him with hooks and claws. Yeah. It was the dean of the law school's necessarily Yeah, the dean the guy that had me that summoned armed police to banish me from the campus. A complaint was filed with the president of the university, Melissa Bowman. She claims
that she's sent it over to HR to investigate it. The student apparently has been interviewed you yesterday by HR. But it's clear to me that they're just going to try to cover it up and trivialize it and all of that because
one thing that they don't do it oh and youshold administrators accountable. And one other new development, even though the dean used the police to do this to me, even though the dean retaliated and accused the student of cheating, and even though the dean has a documented history of making digoted comments about people. They recently re upped them for another five years. That sends a message,
is to the outcome of your case. Isn't it ironic that you're teaching a constitutional law class about procedural and substantive due process and the dean of the law school to own you IO Northern ignores your own dess perp walks you out of your own classroom, and then puts a document quickly in front of you saying, signed this, We'll give you like fifty thousand dollars to shut up.
Isn't that ironic? Yeah, it's it's even worse than that bill, because you know Peter Wood, the president of the National Association of Scholars, and he's a major figure in higher education. He's written two public letters to own US President condemning how I've been treated. And so she finally finally had her
PR, her PR officer. She didn't do it herself, but finally had her P officer right to Peter Wood and actually claim that they're following all kinds of due process, which of course is not true because the American Association of the University Professors has already written them twice condemning how they're hand during this procedurally, and the American Association of University Professors. He's on the left. I'm
not on the left. But the violations of my due process are so egregious that they've written the university twice and told them to clean this up, and they just ignore it and then misstate what these other groups have actually said to them. Professor Scott Garber of Ohio Northern University College of Law, I guess formerly, hopefully in the future. Isn't the clear message being sent by a small law school and the state of Ohio. There's one way of looking at
jurisprudence. There's one way of looking at Clarence Thomas, there's one way of looking at DNI. And if you don't look our way, whether you're a student or a twenty three year tenured college law school professor, we will come after you and make your life miserable. Doesn't this have a chilling effect on any free speech in the future? Absolutely, and speaking of precisely that.
Just last night, the leading authority on mobbing i e. Group bulling and Higher Education UH posted an analysis of my situation at Ohio Northern University where he makes exactly those points, and he also sent it last night to the president of Ohio Northern University and he actually, you know, said there that listen, unless you guys stop doing that this kind of stuff to people like Scott just because he doesn't think like you do, your universities is at risk of
being shut down. That's actually what he wrote. What is group bullying? Because I think differently than my colleagues and the administration. Everyone's just trying to ruin me. You know, that's it. It's not just one bully on the playground, it's the whole the whole system, that's what it is. So yeah, go ahead, please, yeah, your listeners could you know if they google um Kenneth west Hoost w E S t h U S, you'll get to a scientific web page and there'll be a link to my that's
the case study he just posted about me. And it's incredibly sophisticated because he's brilliant. So they'll under they'll be educated better than I can do on what mobbing is. So to be accredited by a law school, your law school must be accredited by these various academic groups in order to have your law degrees recognized and to sit for the bar examine. Ohio you've got to be credited. Someone like Tony Benner just can show up in Columbus and say I'm going
to take the law school three day test to become a lawyer. You have to be accredited. You got to go to an accredited law school in order to be able to sit for the bar to become an attorney. So in this case, if they take away the accreditation of a higher Northern university law school, they're out of business. Yeah, but as you this won't surprise you either. Bill. You know, the ABA, who is our crediting body, is on the left. No clue a the ABA wants this DEI
stuff. But that said, I'm told that my situation is being brought to the attention of bodies like that. I don't have the specifics, but I've been told that Professor Scott gerber hero Ra the middle of June. I would assume law school is out, but I can recall taking some summer classes University of Toledo just to keep it and make it easier in me in the fall. Is this issue tamped down in the Aida, Ohio or is it still proliferating. Well, it's still getting you know, national at tension there you
know I'm talking to you. For example, that's not a minor thing. But you know, there was a newspaper story a couple of days ago. I got reached out to by the Chronicle of Higher Education. A periodical called Just the News just published a bombshell article and that was the one where they outed the dean for accusing the student that won the first a first prize ten
thousand dollars in a national competition. He accused him of having me write the paper form, which is about as far from two true as me being better at than bron James at basketball. It's not even plausible. I read the paper, gave him an a on the paper because it was fantastic, and encouraged him to publish the paper in Our Law with you, which he did. And then it goes even beyond that, and he won's a national prize
in Washington, DC. What do you want to see happen? I'm sure they're going to offer you some shekels of one type or another to kind of go away. What do you want to see happen in this case? Well, as I think I mentioned before, I want I want to keep my job. I'm great at my job. I love working with my students. I love writing about ideas. I'm very good at it. You know.
At one other point, I won the Teaching the Writing Prize this year and the Dean withheld it from me. Think about that comment, because he certainly can't call in the police for a professor that just won the writing prize, you know that kind of stuff. So I'd also like a public apology from the president. I'd also like whoever orchestrated this to be held accountable for it.
And you know that seems to me, you know, like it's the Dean, But Peter Wood actually thinks the President herself had to sign off on it. And of course the President's not going to hold herself accountable for it, and so instead they're going to try to ruin my life and ruin my career the president of their own misdeeds. The President's Melissa Bowman, Is that correct? Yeah? U M A N N yes, Professor. Well, and lastly, we'll see what happens. I'm going to continue to follow the
story to a logical conclusion. The lawsuit has not yet been filed. You want to work internally, as I understand it, and what is your a website? If people want to help you with your legal defense fund. If you google h Scott Gerber Legal Fund, it comes right up. It's it's a go fund me page, Scott Gerber Legal Fund. It'll come right up. I will continue to follow this to his logical conclusion. I will encourage my brothers and sisters and talk radio to do the same thing, because your
fight today will be our fight tomorrow. Professor Scott Gerber, once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Professor Well, thank you very much. Bill. I appreciate it. God bless America.
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