Hi Bermelda. Going back in history, I doubt John F. Kennedy would have been elected in nineteen sixty unless his dad worked things out with the mayor of Chicago to make sure enough votes were put in the ballot box so that Richard Nixon would not win the state of Illinois. And when George Bush won in two thousand, of course he was selected, not elected. He wasn't legitimate, and went through years and years the Democrats complaining constantly about Bush.
Forty three we have, of course, Stacy Abrams is still thinking she's the governor of Georgia, and she gets a complete free pass on that. So when Trump was elected in twenty sixteen, the Democrats, especially those running the FBI and the CIA, and also the PISA Court and the Pisa AFFI David, they went after Trump with hoax and claws for years to keep him from being effective as president. But he still did a pretty damn good job.
A new book is out Sacred Trust, Election, Integrity, and the Will of the People by US Congressman been there about eight years, retired a year or two ago. Jody heis and he's one of the founding members of the House Freedom Caucus, which is a great group, and the forward is by my good friend, the great Ken Blackwell and Jody Heist. Welcome, I think for the first time to the Bill Cunningham show. Your book is very
appropriate in these times because of what's happening with this particular election. But tell the American people why does election integrity matter? And if it fails, that is an awful thing for the United States of America. Oh, Bill, what has said? First of all, it's an honor to be with you, and you know, listen, Ken Blackwell as an awesome man. I'm glad you know him well. Well, Listen, Our entire system of governance
rest upon the consent of the governed. If there is no government, if it is not given to them by the people, not the other way around. And therefore, in fact, that's the reason for the title. This whole issue of election integrity is a sacred trust. It is something that is a civic dude, a civic responsibility and privilege that we have. It must be protected at all costs, both by the voters as well as by our government. And if ever that falls apart, and Bill, we are in
massive trouble. Well, we've got enough problems taking place in our country already. I mean, you look at the border, you look at the economy, whatever it is. But I don't know that there is anything more important than election integrity. If the will of the people at the ballot box has ever compromised or lost, then it's Katie Barbador. Where do we go from there? If we, as the citizens of this country don't have the right to control who's going to represent us by doing so at the ballot box,
Jody Heist. The Constitution says the state legislature set the rules and regulations for means and manner of elections. It's not done by other entities. When I have on various state secretaries of state, they will tell you that, for example, Ohio and Iowa, and Texas and Florida have a functional election system, while states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan do not. Let me explain.
As you may know, in the Pennsylvania the counties elect their own election leaders by ballot and most of the states is a Secretary of State electas state wide.
But in Pennsylvania, each county selects the person in charge, and so because of the pandemic, rules were put out by these various county officials that had different rules in different counties in twenty twenty because of the pandemic, and because of that, there was a great concern about the integrity the ballot with dropboxes, no signature of verification, no citizenship verification, etc. Is that
what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, I don't go down to the county level, but yeah, this is exactly Bill what got me involved in this whole issue. I did not go to Congress with this being a major issue on my radar, but I was a senior member of the Oversight Committee right in the middle of that thing when the pandemic came. In fact, it was the week after the first case in the United States of COVID.
The very next week, the Democrats held a hearing dealing with the need that we're going to have to address this upcoming pandemic at the ballot box.
And then week after week after week after week, as a whole series, one hearing after another where they were literally attempting to federalize elections, take it away from the state, federalize it, and then try to force states to implement such policies as you just mentioned, and many of them did, so that we have everything from ballot harvesting, the mailing ballots live ballots to everyone on the inaccurate voter files, to sending ballot requests to the voting voter file,
no voter idea, all these things started to fall in place, and COVID was the excuse of it all. And being a part of that battle and the Oversight Committee, this is when it first came on my radar. And then at the same time, they started talking about massive voter suppression across the United States, and as exhibit A, they used Georgia, which is my home state, and I knew that was a false claim, and so I started getting more and more and more involved in the issue, both from
the COVID perspective and what they were making allegations against Georgia. And then I just kind of became a leading voice, certainly from our state on this issue and in many regards, one of the leading voices in Congress on election integrity when the issue was dealt with in various states. I often hear the radical
left and especially so called news personnel like NPR. We know what their political bias is because of the comments of a senior editor, but also ABC, NBCCBS, etc. They keep saying that every federal judge has ever looked at this thing on the twenty twenty election says there was no evidence of massive voter fraud. And so let me give you what I think happened, but you're
the expert. I think what occurs is that when these lawsuits are fouled or a weak or two after the election, the judges don't have time to gather massive pieces of evidence, of documents of depositions, requests for interrogatories. They don't have time to try the case, and they say, well, the issue is not ripe because the Secretary of State is not determine who the winner
of the Pennsylvania electoral ballots are. Because that's true, we don't know yet because there might be several weeks after election day before the military ballots come in, and so it takes several weeks for each Secretary State to officially declare the
winner. So the federal courts say without issues, not ripe. And by the time it becomes ripe, which is like the middle of December, guess what the issue is now moot because we've got to swear in the new president in five weeks, so we can't have a long federal trial with the holidays here, so things are not ripe or they're not moot on the right track or not. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely on the right track. And that that is a lot of it. But look, I mean, we
have films of the two thousand mules. For example, we're on video. You have these people going from one drop off box to another, dropping off numbers about I mean, we are watching these people and a huge percentage of them doing so between midnight and five am. It's like, that's not just your typical time to go drop off a ballot, let alone dropping off potentially
hundreds and hundreds of them. And there were over two hundred people on video doing this type of stuff, and yet for some reason we don't have any evidence. And that's you know, it's look to me. To me, the issue is election integrity. We have to secure elections with everything we've got to make sure it's one legal vote cast, one legal vote counted, and
at all cost we secure the will of the people. Now, look, I may be upset that my candidate loses, but if it was a fair election, then look I can go back two years from now and fight again, try to get people to vote the way I want. But if the election is not secured, then all of us are up the creek without a paddle, so to speak, and we're in serious trouble. So I'm just
trying to provide a thirty thousand foot because you said accurately. The states are given the constitutional authority for the time, place, and manner of elections, and every state does it differently. But there are certain bird's eye view universal principles that ought to be common sense across the board that used to we all agreed upon. But now, for some reason, many of these common sense things are not even agreed upon, and as a result, we're potentially massively
compromising the integrity of our election system. In twenty seventeen, on January twenty, twenty seventeen, I would imagine you were at the inaugural of Donald Trump. There were thirty eight Democrats who said, we're not attending the inaugural because he's an illegitimate president. You had Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Barack Obama, the leaders of the Democrat Party told the nation on January twenty, twenty seventeen, this guy being sworn in is not
legitimate. And now we had a couple of weeks ago, more Democratic congressman said that if Trump wins, they're not going to vote to certify the election in November or December of this year. But of course the media says only the Republicans are concerned about elections being rigged. The Democrats have done exactly the same thing for a long time. He got away with it when Democratic leaders said in twenty seventeen, now Donald Trump was not legitimately elected, He's not
the legitimate president. When Stacy Abram says that I'm the true governor of the state of Georgia, what does that do in the minds of many Democrats that we have an illegitimate office holder. Oh yeah, we've got I mean, there are tons of Democrats for the last multiple election cycles have challenged whenever a Republican wins, at least they challenge it. They say it's illegitimate, they say it's wrong, they say there is cheating, there was fraud, whatever
the case may be. But when a Republican questions with a significant amount of evidence, or at least enough to say, hold on, there's at least some question marks here, where all of a sudden election deniers were threats to democracy. We need to be put in jail. Yeah, the Democrats have been doing this for decades and it's yet again shows a weaponized government in a two tiered system. But look, at the end of the day, I think both sides we've got the this. We've got to get the politics out
of the election process. The election process is about the will of the people, not about the will of a political party or a particular candidate. It is about the will of the people. Both sides need to come to agreement on that and understand, first and foremost what the people want must be accurately accounted for at the ballot box. And that's the first and the last question.
Everything else revolves around that. What's the best way to accomplish integrity, to maintain the consent of the governed and the wishes of the people as it relates to whom is elected? Jody, heis. You've looked at this thing from every angle from thirty thousand feet, isn't it true? Since the founding of the republic we are a republic when not a democracy? We are a republic. That especially federal presidential elections, maybe the bulk of them, have
had questionable practices surrounding the election of whoever happened to win. I can recall there's been at least four circumstances in American history or state capitals sent multiple different electors to Washington to actually vote for the president. And there are alternate slates of electors that have been sent historically from many states. Isn't that true? Yeah? And you know the thing is, I think we've always had those
type of circumstances. I mean, we all remember the hagging Chad's in Florida back Lyndon Johnson. I mean that's there's always been these cases that have raised question marks. But Bill, what concerns me now as it seems to be widespread. COVID became the excuse to implement multiple changes in the way states do elections, and many of those changes opened wide the door for potential shenanigans.
And that is the issue. Those are the doors the policies that need to be closed that we need to tighten up on the election process in every way. And yet this is not rocket science. We have the capacity to secure elections. We have the capacity to tighten up our inaccurate voter files. For that matter, I saw us on an article last week, it says between eight and eighteen percent inaccurate is the majority of states. When we're dealing with
our voter registration file. If ballpark ten to twenty percent of our files are wrong, that we don't even know who's registered and illegal to vote, we're starting behind the eight ball to have an accurate election result. And so these are the look Amazon knows who you are. Why in the world can we not figure it out before you come to the ballot box. You know this
stuff is not rocket science. We just have to have the will to make sure that we're securing our election process well by having a secure election, that's called voter suppression. Lastly, I would say, like in the state of Nevada, when you get your driver's license, and there's no citizenship proof requirement to get a driver's license, so I'm sure there's tens of thousands of illegals
in Nevada and seventeen other states that get their driver's license. Many of these states simply send out in the mail thirty days before the election the actual ballot. If you have a driver's license, you have to check a box that says, yes, I'm a citizen, but no one checks out either for verification. Isn't it if the state secretaries of state send out ballots to like everyone in the state, isn't that something right? For fraud? I don't
see how you avoid it. I honestly don't see how you avoid it in those kinds of situations. And again, this is common sense. If you're going to be in a state that lets anybody get a driver's license, then how can you and anyone who has a driver's license automatically is registered to vote. Then how in the world can you you secure the federal requirement that only US citizens vote. I mean, you can't do it. And these are the type of things that we must get serious about. Again, this is
a sacred trust. This is not just a political game. You talk about foreign interference. When we're allowing a situation like you just described, who knows who is registered to vote and what country they're from or whatever, is that not foreign interference? And every time you have someone who is an illegal voter, be it from another country or someone who in our own country is not legally registered or whatever. Whenever there is an illegal vote cast, it disenfranchises
and takes away suppresses a legal vote that was counted. And these are the type of things that we must protect. Again, it's a sacred trust that is the epicenter, if you will, upon which America risks in our system of governments. Jody Hies, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. The name of the book is Sacred Trust, forward by my good friend Ken Blackwell. You're a founding member of the House Freedom Caucus. Once again,
thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. The adventures continue, and hopefully we clean things up before November fifth of this year so we have a legitimate count and hopefully the election will not be rigged. Jody High thank you very much. Thank you sir, Thank you Bill. Let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham, the Great American, Live every day at your home of the Red's News Radio seven hundred WLW. Nice butt, Hey, can you
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