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About seventy nine. We're going to have the next three hours and many of his compatriots and friends and others and other anchors and other those in politics also. But to lead off, Brian Hemrick of the Power of five, we had planned to talk about the shooting of an eleven year old, but this news broke this morning about Jerry Springer passing of cancer at the age of seventy nine. And before we go much further, what are your memories of Jerry

Springer? Well, thanks again, mister Cunningham. Yeah, well we had just I just talked to him probably the I want to say, in the February. I think it was when he was in at the station and he came by, and he's always super nice to everybody when he shows up, and just you know, huge personality. Everybody can't wait to talk to him. And like I said, when he's one of those guys, when you talk to him, even if you don't know him very well, you feel

like you know you've known him all your life. He just had that kind of personality and I know I stopped and talked to him him there for a little bit. But yeah, that that news just a rifled through our our newsroom, you know, because there's still people there that worked with him and knew him for you know, and worked for years with him. John London worked for him, with him for years, and he just, uh, you know, he had so many accnes, so many things he had done.

The list just goes on and on and on. So he was one guy with a whole lot of different lives and a whole lot of different personalities. And for those around the country, I think we here we kind of embraced certain people and Jerry Springer is one of the characters that we embraced. And I'm not sure politically he represented what Hamlet and County was, shall we say, thirty or forty years ago, but when he ran against a guy named Donald Clancy. You may not recall Donald Clancy, but he was a

congressman for a long time. He was a conservative Republican. It was shocking that in nineteen seventy Jerry Springer ran against Donald Clancy and got forty five percent of the vote in a Republican district. And from that point on he would have had a start next to his name. Yeah, I think that was the thing. I mean, you know, you see a guy and he loses, but under the conditions he lost. But you know, I think he won a lot more during that race than he actually lost, because then

he ended up winning a bunch of other races. Now, in fact, when Springer was caught, shall we say, given a check to a lady of the night in northern Kentucky. By the way, that check was good. He often would tell you the check would have cleared. But nonetheless she kept it as insurance so that if she was pinched, she could pull out a check from Jerry Springer, who at that point was on city council. Like in nineteen seventy one, he resigned in disgrace. I can recall the

news conference. It was sorrowful. He admitted it. I did it. I shouldn't have done it. Of course he was not married at the time. He married Mickey a year or two later, but but nonetheless he simply said this is the truth. And then he got elected the city council, then became the mayor, and it was only for about a year, which is unbelievable. Who comes back from something like that, you know, I

mean, that's it's amazing really to be able to do that. But that's that's kind of a testament to his personality, and they kind of got because when he said, hey, I'm sorry I did it. I mean, like you said, you came up across with a guy and you're like, hey, I don't know if I like this guy or not. But at least he tells the truth, you know. And it was only the mayor for like one year, because you only served one year, you would elected

mayor, you were selected as the mayor. Then after that, I can recall that he was pitched a show by Tony Kernan about this, uh, this Jerry Springer show which would begin and Cincinnati end up in Chicago. And it began as a serious thing. It began with the serious issues and he was losing miserably and so the exact a producer said, look, we're canceled. They gave him three months to wrap it up. Well, why don't

we try something completely different? Him and Richard came up with this idea of the Jerry Springer Show, and within a year or two he was betting Oprah Winfrey and the ratings when she was in her prime. That was unbelievable. It was it was amazing, I mean, and he was amazed by He's like, why would anybody tune into this? You know, I mean, he always takes such a good sense of humor about his own persona, and

he just never took himself too seriously. And he and even like you said, even that he was I think he was a bit amazed that people were, you know, we're watching in the levels that they were. And you think about this, uh, Brian Henry that here he is born in England, his family, a lot of his family members were murdered during the Holocaust. He was poor, he was broke. He watched some political stuff out of America with John F. Kennedy and the guy said, look, I

want to get to America. So he made his way somehow to New York and then he was more or less assigned during sixty eight to come to Cincinnati, Ohio in order to work on the Bobby Kennedy campaign for the presidency. And that's why he came to say, if somebody would have said in nineteen sixty eight to this guy, who he would freely admit he did not have a good face for television, would you agree not the best? He would probably agree with that, yeah, yeah, And he said I'm not that

attractive and I'm Jewish and I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio. The odds of that guy in nineteen sixty eight within a few years being the mayor of Cincinnati. That would have been impossible at the time. It was impossible, And Jerry did it and naturally known, you know. I mean that's the other the way of people, you know outside the Cincinnati don't really know, you know, all this background on him and how where he came from and all of that. You know, we we have a pretty good sense of him here

because you know, we knew him back then. We knew him was the mayor. We knew him he was an anchor at Channel five for years, you know, we you know, kind of knew all that, and then he did the Jerry Springer stuff and we had a better idea. I know, this guy can be serious. We know he's just kind of joking around with this show. A lot of people thought that was him, you know, and when it was not, I tell you, here's this is an interesting little story about Jerry one time. It is one of these This is

how crazy sometimes the news business gets. Those of years ago when Jerry was an anchor here at Channel five and he was there and photographer Ron Schmidt, he just retired. He was our chief photog for years. And uh Ron got called into the news director's office back in those days, and the news director said, duh, Ron, I'll tell you what. He goes, I'm gonna get put a letter in your file because I got to complain about you. And Ron goes complaint. He goes, what what do you mean?

He goes, well, people aren't getting along with you. They don't work with you very well. And your photographer and your your reporter and your they all got to get along pretty good, because it says it's a type working situation. He goes, you're not getting along with people, and and Schmidty he gets along with everybody, and he goes, I don't what do you mean? He goes, I don't know that I have a problem. He goes, well, Springer, for one, He goes, Springer was

complaining about you. So Schmitty goes down the hall and springers down there and he goes. Then he goes, Jerry, was there a problem? What happened? And Jerry's like, what are you talking about? And Schmidty goes, well, the news director said you had an issue. And he goes We've never had an issue. What are you saying? He goes, let's go down here and settle it out with the news director. They go into the news director's office and the news director goes, he goes. Jerry says,

hey, well, what's the deal. I have a problem with wrong, We've never had an issue, and he goes, Uh. The new struct goes, hang on, wait a second, hold on, hold on the wait a second. Oh man, Ron, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I had a dream that Jerry complains. So, so I had this dream. It was a dream. It's gonna pedal letter and his flow over this dream. So anyway, but you know, that's the kind of stuff that happened. You know, it's just a normal kind of a one of

those odd ball work stories. But I always say, if I'm going to write a book about you know, TV news, that's that's the kind of story that's going in it, because that kind of crazy stuff happens. You know, that was one Jerry was when I saw him the other day, I said, I told him, I said, I had this idea that would have been a great if you were hosting Saturday Night Live. And he

got a kick out of this. I said, I always thought, you know, back when Bill Clinton was president and he had all his issues, it would have been a great Saturday Night Live to have Jerry host and then to have you know, like their imitator of Bill Clinton being you know, one the Jerry Trackers shuff and then you would say and Jerry, you know, and you would saying, and Bill, here's Monica Lewinski. She comes

in, and they got to pull apart. And just as soon as they get them apart, and he goes, well, Bill, you didn't know we got Hillary. You know, she comes in some other big fight and they got to separate him. He got a big kick out of he said.

No, he goes, but I could never Saturday Night Live. I guess they'd had some discussions about maybe him hosting, but he had been on opposite them, I think at one point somewhere and there was some kind of an issue that he couldn't be on there and host that he thought it would have been a great idea. You think about failure then success, and this

is a lesson for each of us. The odds of that kid in Cincinnati in nineteen sixty eight, rising politically like he did, he took over a TV show on your station that was last in the ratings with Norma Rashid. Within two years it was number one with a bullet And then he took over a created a television genre that didn't exist. What's so called tabloid TV did not exist until Jerry Springer said, um, and it began. Seriously what uh Tony Kernan and others at TV five one of a fellow talk show like

Phil Donahue, kind of a kind of a serious thing. But they didn't want to keep paying the carriage fees and so that let's and they said, well, Jerry said, I can, I'll try that. Well, it hurt my credibility on the air, and the decision made let's go with it did not hurt him. So he took Channel five from the bottom of the

top. He created an entire genre of TV talk shows. He got into the political world at the bottom, at the bottom because Al Shottlecott, he said, at the time, you know, Jerry Springer's political life is done within two or three years. Hell, he's the mayor of Cincinnati and all that with self effacing humor, a joy to be around and fun to be with, and uh, you know, it's fair to say we will never see his life again in a positive way because we disagreed politically and almost everything.

But when I when when Sean Compton got a hold of me, they're retired of the carriage fees at the CW that they wanted to do a TV talk show, and he and Randy Michael said, let's try Cunningham. So the first call I made was to who Jerry Springer? And he gave me four or five I'm Jerry Springer, Cincinnati and the first time I met him was in nineteen seventy eight when he was the mayor Cincinnati and I moved back

home from Toledo and I wanted to get into politics. So I'm made an appointment to see Jerry Springer in the Mayor's office in nineteen seventy eight and he said, uh, I said to what do he want to do? And I said, well, you know I have a law degree and and I've been a federal law clerk. And he said, uh, I'll give you a name of somebody to call. You. Give them a call and they'll get you involved from politics. And I looked at the piece of paper.

It was John Weathy, John Sacho Weathy, the chair of the Democratic Party. I wanted to see to see Sacho, and he got me involved in politics. To Avis defeated twice, in which case I said, to hell with it, I'm gonna keep practicing law. That's when I went to Gains and Gains Attorneys at Law. But Jerry Springer and I go back the nineteen

seventy eight and we had dinner together quite often. He stayed at the Waldorfer Historia, which is real close to to Central Park in New York City, and we're both doing our TV shows and you talk about a fun time with a guy. He never walked into a room as a stranger. You could walk into any bar, any restaurant, any facility from Hawaii to Maine, from Florida to Alaska, and people knew Jerry Springer. And he treated him and that we're saying about it, you know, and see him off.

He treat him just like you had known him all You're like like in other words, you go up to somebody sometimes you know like that and you feel like you know him, but you know they don't know you. But he made you feel like you didn't know him, you know, and that he didn't know you be he had that kind of a personality. There's not a lot of folks like that left, and there's also not a lot of folks now I'll imagine now here you are. I think some would say, maybe

you you've been to the conservative side a little bit. And here's Jerry, who you know obviously was to the left. But here you are, you know, able to have a great time and a conversation and even talk about politics and not go at each other's throats, but to have a good time with it and keep it in perspective. We spend time in sarah Sota. He had a house on the canal. There had a condo in which his daughter lived in Chicago where he died earlier today. And I tell you and

brings us to life one' zone mortality and the difficulty one. He was doing Air America down the hallway from US, which was a liberal national. He wanted to get into serious issues and we would spend a lot of lunches and time together on talk radio. From his perspective and mind television. I have great memories and great photos of him and I together on set, which was

fabulous. And it's more of a celebration of life when it comes to Jerry Springer and not really great sorrow, because when a seventy nine year old dies of cancer, it's not a shock to the system. But with Jerry, he will be forever young in my mind. Yeah, you know. And when he was here, like I said, just a few weeks ago, he probably knew that his time was short ed pancreatic and he never let on. And it was never you know, there was nothing you wouldn't know.

There were no indications, you know, no si Les roast. And he gave me a call a couple of months or two before the si Lease roast. We talked and he said, tell me about Cincinnati now, because I'm there every now and then, but you got your finger, and tell me about si Les. And we talked about size condition, what's going on with

sy We talked about the hard Rock Cafe. He's going to be there, and he was in his tucks and a few people afterwards said to me, morey, Jerry didn't look good, but he was funny, and he said, does he have something? I said, well, I'm not sure what. I'm not sure what he is. And I let it go with that. But one thing he coined a Channel five is take care of yourself and each other. And that's the way he ended all of his broadcasts. And I see Lester Holt has started doing the same thing, right now, take

care of yourself and each other? Right, yeah, oh well yeah, well, with your permission, Brian Hemrick will save the serious issues for another time. About this eleven year old girl that was shot seeming it might be more to it than meets the eye. But Cincinnati lost an icon. In fact, he's one of the great four newscasters. But he only spent about five or six years, and then Charlotte Charley Lucan took over. But here we are, thirty five forty years later, in the memory said Jerry Springer

fled back into my mind. But Brian Hemrick, give my best. All the folks an impact on this city, you know. I mean, that's one of the guys you gotta say really had an impact on Cincinnati. I think you take him and Nick Clooney and a few others. For some reason, out of this little town comes a whole bunch of media types and all began with Pale Crossley, all began with him. All right, I got to run, Brian Hemrika, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

Thank you, Thank you, Brian. Well, thanks again, mister Cunningham. We'll do it again. Thank you all. Let's continue with more your reaction. More remembrance is coming up. Bill Cunningham seven hundred WW. Rocky boyman here, I can vouch for Woody send your young man. Starting at seven hundred W LW about thirty five years ago. Sean Compton, who's now the CEO and president of many television networks, including New Nation which is twenty four or five, and also CEW and Moore, and once again Sean

Compton, Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Sean, give me your remembrances of the great Jerry Springer Willie. I was in a meeting I'm in New York today and I got the text from NBC, who syndicated Jerry's show and who I had worked with when I started at Tribune fifteen years ago, and it crushed me. And I'll tell you why. And I keep News Nation right actually right now, we're doing coverage. We've been doing, you know, borderline, wall to wall coverage on the passing of Jerry on News

Nation. And that's because so many people loved Jerry, And I'll tell you that I was a ten year old kid hanging out at three East fourth Street in Cincinnati at WLW Studios before we all moved to Mount Adams, And I was a ten year old kid hanging out with the truck and Bozo and you Willie and Springer was in there one night with Pat Barry. And Pat Barry and Jerry were very tight. This is when WLWT Channel five was at the top of the market. You know, you had Brandon tartakof programming NBC.

So their lead in was huge with a lot of big shows and you know Cosby and Cheers and Alf and all the family ties. The nineteen eighties fair that did so well, and so that was Jerry and Norman's lead in. And Jerry just naturally fit in as a Cincinnati and even though he originally came from New York, and just dominated and he was the biggest thing on the planet in Cincinnati. In the nineteen eighty four I was at LW and he

was so nice to me. You know, Pat would bully me around and by the way, a very lovable, sweet way, but Jerry would take the time to talk to you and what do you want to do when you grow up. And then I'm thirty four years old. Okay, fast forward twenty four years. I am responded for the fate of Jerry Springer's talk show, and Jerry called me and says, hey, I was always nice to you, wasn't I. And he remembered when I was a kid, and you know, he would joke about it. He was such a sweet guy.

And so when you hear all these wonderful things said about him today, they're all true. And we would tease about politics, you know, of Jerry was extremely far left and us being from Indiana and and uh Ohio, southern Ohio, even if even lefties in southern Ohio and Indiana are are are closer to the middle and um, you know, so Jerry was an odd fit in Cincinnati, but everyone still loved him. Such a good guy, you know. Um. And he was a good hearted person. He would

give money to people that needed it. Um. He didn't take for granted his success. Uh. He was always a little embarrassed at the show that he was performing. But because of that he was able to be a very wealthy, successful man and took good care of his his daughter and his wife, and he loved his grandson who lives Actually I'm in Chicago living and either just south of south of me at Evanston, and just a great grandfather, a great friend. And it's really a sad day in Cincinnati and across the

country. Seaun Compton, CEO of News Nation, talk about when you and Randy Michael said we need to do something that we don't pay so many carriage fees to Jerry Springer, why don't you try. Bill Cunningham explained the connection TV Chicago, Manhattan, and then we go out to Connecticut, Maury Steve him and we got that classic photo of the four or five of us together.

Explain the thought process. Well, when we were negotiating with NBC in the late two thousands, you know, the economy had gone to hell in two thousand and eight, and the ad economy he's for about you know, eighteen months, and so we were looking to to cut some of our program costs that were just out of line because they were set at earlier rates,

and so as programs would expire, we would negotiate a decrease. Well, that meant that Jerry and Morey and the other shows were going to have to take a pay cut and you know, people don't like that, by the way, nor do I blame them, but that was the reality of the environment financially that we were dealing with. And so we said, look, if you don't cut these shows, the pricing on these shows, or come up with something creative, then I'm going to launch my own show and it's

going to compete with Steve Wilkos and Maury. It's gonna be called Bill Cunningham Show. And they didn't think I was serious. Well, of course, Willie, I could throw that out there because I knew you would do it if I asked, so sure enough they wouldn't buckle. So I went ahead and we launched your show and it went for five years until you decided that travel to New York was too much on you. But we went five seasons and there was actually a promo and it's probably on YouTube. I'm sure it

is. If you type in Moray, Jerry Cunningham, it's going to come up where it's you, Moray, Jerry, Steve Wilcos and it's the four of you and you're all doing a promo for your new show. They even supported you and they brought you into the family. It was a wonderful experience.

It just goes to show you how good of a guy Jerry was that he you know, he knew you were going to be competing, yet he was willing to, you know, promote you and encourage and they and we ultimately got the deal done with NBC, and it was a fair deal and everyone was much happier. And the thing is, Jerry, when this was kind of announced, calls me and says, what the hell you doing? I said, Jerry, I will be absolutely no threat to you whatsoever. I said, but can I do a TV talk show? He said,

Look, if I can do it, anybody can do it. He said, you call me when you have fears, when you have concerns, give me a call. When he did Air America, down the hallway from us and down on the sixth floor of this building on the other side, he was there three or four days a week with the Galvins, and we would

get together on each others shows and go back and forth. A liberal conservative, I can recall Hannity and O'Reilly had his own Left and Right, and Hannity talked about a regular feature and as I said, Sean, I don't have the time and Jerry says, I have no time at all, but it we'll do it episodically. So we did about nine or ten left and right, and it seemed to work because we could be mean to each other on the air, but off the air he was as kind and gentle a

person as I've ever met. Yeah, he would often apologize to people about his TV show, you know, the one with the fighting prostitutes and the throwing chairs and you know, the randomness of his craziness of his TV show. And I said, Cherry, you got to stop doing that. No, I said, you don't ever have to apologize for something that some other person doesn't like. It's not like you're breaking the law. And but he was always, you know, kind of taken back that this isn't the show

I wanted to do. But if if you watch, you know, you read any of the books, you watch any of the documentaries on how television morphed in the late nineties, you know, Donna Hue and Sally Jesse Rafael though that format wasn't working anymore, even though it was, if you remember, Donna Hue was cutting edge in the early early eighties, late seventies, Donna Hue pushed the envelope and then and then Sally came along and pushed it further, and then it was Jerry, and Jerry actually beat Oprah for a

long stretch there in I want to say, early mid two thousands. Jerry had a like an eighteen month stretch where he beat Oprah and people have just completely forgotten that. But he had a very long run twenty seven years. And then he went on to do his Judge show, which he liked. And I actually was thinking about him the other day. I was going to call him because I hadn't heard from him in a while. And then I

found out today that he had pancreatic cancer and he didn't tell anybody. In fact, Richard Dominick, his former producer, was on News Nation earlier and I heard him say that he had spoken to Jerry a few weeks back, and Jerry didn't say anything to him about it, so he kept it very private and just a it's a big loss for Cincinnati because Cincinnati has produced such great star power for decades and um, you know, going going way back.

Um you know people Rod Sterling worked at WLW for Crying Out Loud and so um uh you know, it's just it's sad to see Jerry gone and the end of that era. You talk about the passing and that whole kind of a TV show. What Jerry always said it was stupid, made no sense, but it was fun. A lot of life is fun. It was called a circus. I remember an interview he did with Larry King and which he said Larry King went after him a little bit for being a circus.

Well, you know, William Shakespeare wrote lots of lots of place that had some body humor in it. And I'm not comparing Jerry Springer or William Shakespeare, but nonetheless it was a part of life that he created out of nowhere. Before Springer did what he did, he created a tabloid TV whatever is my mother's a prostitute? Who's your daddy? The one person that created that was Jerry Springer, and he perfected it and then alone came more a

few years later. Did He always did the lot of detect or tests and Steve Tent tends to do I don't know, sexual misadventures of one type or another. And when he was told by Richard Dominic and others, look we've been canceled, kind of tell the story about when he was told Jerry Springer was told that his show was canceled because it wasn't making it. But then the kind of like in my TV show, it won a different direction. Yeah, so Jerry went into syndication. If people don't remember the history,

and they probably don't, is a surpriser for you. When he went into syndication in ninety one. It was September of nineteen nine one at Crosley Square in downtown Cincinnati. What is that is it on ELM I think? And Crowsley Square. He's up on that one of the upper floors where they used to do the fifty fifty Club fifty five years ago, and so he was up there and so Jerry did the show there and then after there's those studios and they needed to get to the larger city where they could pack the crowd

and the audience and get more guests in and out. So they moved him to Chicago after a year and it just it wasn't clicking, So they canceled his show. And Richard Dominic, his producer, walked out on the sidewalk with Jerry and said let's go for a walk. And they were walking through downtown Chicago, and Richard said, look, we got nothing to lose all these TV stations because they have to run off our deal. They have to keep the show on the air until the year's up. They're running is at

one o'clock in the morning, so nobody can see it. Jerry, you know who's up at one o'clock in the morning. A bunch of drunk college kids. So let's go appeal to them. And that's why that format was created. And then the ratings shot up, and then station started moving back

into desirable time periods and started paying much larger fees for the show. Jerry made a lot of money, and where he made the largest chunk of his money was the pay per view, if you remember or not, the pay per view, the too hot for TV stuff that they sold those DVD CDs or VHS tapes and DVDs they sold, and they made a lot of money doing that. So the other thing about Jerry when he finally did stop doing the talk show a few years ago, so I oversee the CW network now,

which I don't let us hang up without me telling you something. I got a message for the segment, but I oversee the CW network when Jerry went into a sort of retirement. He was doing his little Judge show and some tour stuff, but he wasn't doing the talk show anymore. Jerry. We put three years for three seasons. We reran all of Jerry's old show because he's got four thousand of them, so we re ran them in the CW three o'clock time period. And the ratings were just as good as when

he was producing original shows. So even in the repeats, Jerry rated really well and had strong numbers. How would you like? But how would you think, Sean Compton, that Jerry Springer would want to be remembered? What he's going to be remember for the check and for my mothers of prostitute. But in reality, the essence and the substance of Jerry Springer, for those who knew him, knew him well, is something I'll never forget. How

would Jerry Springer like to be remembered in Cincinnati? Jerry Springer would like to be remembered for the Eagles concert. Explain you know what I'm talking about? No, I'll explain. So when when in Cincinnati, when Jerry was mayor, he wanted to bring a big concert to Riverfront Stadium. Remember town shuttered at five o'clock. When I was a little boy, I'd come into Cincinnati and you know, the lights were out at six pm. And so Jerry

wanted to bring some energy into the city. It was other the only draw into the city where the Bengals and the Reds. And he said, we need a big, big concert to hold at Riverfront Stadium. And I don't know what year this is. This was the late seventies whenever his mayoral time was. But the Eagles. He was able to convince Irving Azoff, who was the manager for the Eagles, to come to Cincinnati and put the Eagles

in Riverfront Stadium and play there, and they brought Jerry. So Jerry wanted to be remembered for doing that, and they brought Jerry on stage to sing with them. And the reason I say that, of all things, is Jerry was not an original kid from Cincinnati, came in from New York. But Cincinnati embraced him. And I say this all the time, Cincinnati is one of the greatest cities in America because you know, when I worked there, a lot of people that have been mean to me along the way in

my career. No one in Cincinnati was mean to me other than yiddy, I mean it was it was a wonderful place to be. They're good people, and that's what Jerry really loved about Cincinnati. I don't I don't know if he had it recently, but up until, you know, a decade ago, he still kept an apartment in downtown Cincinnati. He still had a place to go to when he was home. Yeah. Well, we embraced

him because he was legitimate. He didn't fit in. Can you imagine a Jewish liberal whose many family members were murdered during the Holocaust to locate in Cincinnati during the Bobby Kennedy for President nineteen sixty eight. After that, he was got into a funk of depression. After Bobby was murdered, goes to New Orleans to go to Tulane. They would admit him. Then he goes to Northwestern. He loves Chicago. That kept in the back of his mind.

Then came back to Cincinnati and practiced law with Ron Drinker and Harry Sudman. But Jerry he mainly wanted to stay in politics. He wanted a serious life. He ran for his city council, was elected four times, was selected as the mayor, and in the early nineteen eighties he ran for governor. He wanted to be the governor. He wanted to be a senator. He would call every now and then and ask me politically, what's happening in Ohio? Isn't my time yet? Do you think do you think I can actually

beat Mike DeWine for the senator for the governorship? I said, no, Jerry, things have changed. I don't think you can. So I take the places. So and so he kept looking for a political way to actually win and make the lives of others better. And it's sad he did. Yeah, you know what, You just said it, and I was about to say it. He really did. Whether you liked Jerry's politics or not, he really did want to make people's lives better. He did suffer.

We were at lunch many times in Chicago, Jerry and I would have lunch every six months, and he broke down and started crying when he was talking about some of his family members killed on the Holocaust. Because he was a little boy. And here's a story I'll tell you. He had a grandfather that lived with them here in the United States when they came over from England.

I think he was born in England and they got over here. His family escaped the Holocaust, his parents and his grandfather was too old to drive. His grandfather was I think he was in his eighties or early nineties. And Jerry's mom or dad said, Dad, you can't keep that car anymore. We're gonna get rid of the car. You can't, you're too old to drive. And he said, you will never get rid of that car. That's my only escape from trouble. And you know they lived with that.

I mean, you can can imagine. And Jerry grew up with those fears and it, you know, it made him. I think because of that, it made he has such a big heart. He had seen the hell that a lot of people go through that we take for granted in this country. And I'm gonna miss him. I'm upset I didn't. I was thinking about him a few weeks back. I was going to call him and I didn't. But fortunately have one of his voicemails that I'll keep on my phone forever. But he was very kind. He was a very kind man.

Yeah, very kind. Yes, Shan Compton, I have one message for the for the yid man. Yeah, I'm sorry for the segment I got the men Matt Row segment. Needs to watch the CW tonight at nine o'clock we have the debut and I was thinking about segment. We developed this hundred days to the Indy five hundred. It's a special docuseriies to anyone that loves the Indy five hundred and I know the segment does. He's got to watch it tonight on the CW. Sean Compton, we lost a friend,

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hundred w LW issues facing our justice involved veterans. Let's continue. Bill Cunningham joining us now as a Chrisha Mackey, the main anchor at Fox nineteen, and Tricia fair To say that aren't a lot of icons along the way of a Jerry Springer, But in broadcasting, what did Jerry Springer mean to Cincinnati and I guess to the nation, And secondly, what are your memories of him? You know he brought he was. He was Cincinnati News for a long time. He really was. I mean he was. His commentaries or

something that I will I'll never forget Bill. I mean, you know, kind of like the commentaries that you do now. You know, it's just you guys were kind of like these two because I put you in that same basket, just a you know, an icon, somebody that you aspire to be. Young journalists aspire to be like that, somebody that's smart, well fought, well fought out, crable, someone that you would go to to get your information. I mean I would stay up when I was a kid

at night to listen to his commentaries. I mean they were fantastic because there was something that like you never saw on television news. Usually you just saw talking heads that would just read the news. But the fact that he would get up there and he would have these well thought out, you know, commentaries night after night. And then the the partnership that him and Norma Rashid would have together, if that was something that young journalists aspired to be back

in the day. You know, he went round and around with Tony Kurrn and the folks that ran Channel five at the time because it was considered bad form for an objective, independent newsman or a woman to give a commentary, and Jerry fought him and said, let's try this for two weeks and I'll do commentaries. At the end, I'll do the news straight. But then I want to make a substantive contribution to our society. And he always fought

the trash TV against this seriousness. He did work on the BBC. He also wanted to do serious talk radio Air America and he wanted to be serious. But he kept fighting what he was and after two weeks the management of Channel five said, you know what, we're getting a bump out of this. Keep going, keep going, And at some point Jerry would not have done the news except for the fact he wanted to do the commentaries, which

he considered the most important part of what he did. Then when he went to Chicago back and forth, that became a hassle to such a degree. But those commentaries is what he's known for, because anyone it can do. But but I is at that point, I was somewhat I was a Democrat, believe it or not, and I developed my own philosophy over the years. But Jerry Springer and I would get together. New York would get together here and there, and I don't care how much we disagreed about Trump.

He thought Trump was the embodiment of evil in the world. I thought Barack saying Obama was a disaster who lost the opportunities to lead this nation onto a better course. But we could disagree and be friendly with each other. And that's lost so many times today. Oh it is. And you know, and it's funny because I often wonder if somebody nowadays could be the same news anchor and still do commentaries. And I think it's impossible, because I think

it's lost. I think that you right now, you either have people that are the news anchors who who try their best to be objective. You know, those are the You know that that's me. I try to do the news every night, and I try to be objective, and I try to give you the truth. I try to see both sides. But at the end of the show, there's no way that I could do a commentary, not in this day and age, and tell you my opinions on something. It's just it doesn't work. He was able to do that delicate balance,

and you could tell which way he sat on the fence. He never sat on the fence. I mean, he was absolutely a full blown Democrat. And even when I would meet him, like later in life, or you know, I did profile piece is on him Bill, and we would talk about the craziness that he would do about the Jerry Springer Show, and he goes, Oh, yeah, that's just us. You know, that's just a pony show. That's just stupid. That's just for the ratings, that's just for you know, this is stupid. That's not who I am.

And it really wasn't. He was like this. That was kind of like the entertainment side of him, like the p. T. Barnum side of him. But he was a very serious and very smart guy. You know. One time I interviewed him and we were talking about him being the mayor and stuff like that, and I said, okay, Jerry, you know I have to ask you about paying a hooker with the check. I've got to ask you, you know, And he said, Yeah, was that

the damn dumbest thing you've ever heard of your life? He goes, that kind of sums it all up, doesn't it, Mackie, you know, and he just he took it. I mean, that was just something that you could talk to him about and it was just part of who he was. But he was so much smarter than that. And at the time that by the way, the check was good, but the hooker wanted to keep the check for insurance purposes, and when she was pinched, she produced a

check and the police in Newport could not believe it's real. They got to hold it. Jerry Springer directly, let me call you back. He spent about ten to fifteen minutes. How am I going to do this? How am I going to play this? Am I going to deny it? I knew the check was out there, but and he and he told the police to truth. This is what happened. And then the prosecutor at that point was it was Si Lease and side Leise wanted to haul him into court,

wanted to make sure he was found guilty. And part of the deal was you won't run Frenny political office, but that was not in the final court order. And side Leise was so angry at Jerry because Jerry had told Si that he wouldn't run political office again, and so side Lease continued until years

later. Now the two loved each other. They did the roast together about a month month and a half ago at the hard Rock Cafe, and side Lease for years said that Jerry Springer was a liar, and Jerry Springer said, I never told him I would never run. He said, I told him it's unlikely I would be a viable candidate in the future. Jerry and side Lease took out as a promise, but Jerry wanted to keep open. And so what Jerry said was I'm gonna run for city counsel the next year.

And he ran near the top of the list. Because this was a guy who was a human being. Within a couple more years, he is the mayor for like one year, and then he got to Channel five. Did the commentaries, which your comments about the commentaries, well one eperson on the market and defined him. They took Channel five from the bottom within two years to the top. And then he took a TV tabloid show which he created out of nowhere. It didn't exist when he started. And then he

was failing. A guy named Richard Dominick, who was as executive producer, said, look, we've been canceled. They don't want to cancel us now. They had a big meeting they told the staff, look this isn't working. The Phil Donahue approach isn't working. We got three months, and so Richard Dominick talked Jerry Spring into doing a tabloid type TV show. Within those three months, he was beating Oprah Winfrey in her prime in the ratings, and so there's, oh my god, what are we gonna do? He

went with him for the next twenty seven years. That's what he did. It's only I mean, like you, the things that he came up with, being told he couldn't do it and proven them wrong over and over. I mean, it's crazy, an't it. A poor Jewish kid who's whose grandparents were murdered in the Holocaust, comes to Cincinnati to assist Bobby Kennedy to run for the presidency, assassinated, ends up in New Orleans, goes to Tulane, then gets to Chicago on a scholarship to go to law school.

Came back to Cincinnati. He wanted his life here. He loved Cincinnati. He hooked up with a guy named Harry Sudman who was an attorney Sudman and Springer. Sugman was a first class a lawyer, but Jerry wanted to do other things in his life, get back into politics. He ran for Govenor finished third and that's then the TV show Channel five News and then his Jerry Springer. He also did all kinds of other shows. You know, he did Miss America, he did Miss World. Uh, he did The Price

is Right at the hard Rock The Guy. And then when I they contacted me to do a Jerry Springer type show, who was the first person I called Jerry Springer? I mean, that's and that's and it's funny because that's why I put the two of you in the same sentence, because you know, you guys redefined not even news, he redefined like entertainment slash news, slash talk shows, you know, all of that stuff, you know.

I mean, I'm serious. It's just the two of you have so much in common, you know, I said, Jerry, just a credibility factor. I mean, even so you saw on the other night and uh Dancing with the Stars right right? Yes, terrible. So was there any indication that did we know? Me? I assumed? Is it was it cancer? I don't even know this yet. Yes, yes, yes it was cancer. And it was something that lingered for several months, and he was

fighting it as well as he could. When he came here about a month ago for that roast of side Lease, he was not in good shape, but he said, I made a commitment to do it. And I think he knew in his mind that you know, when a seventy nine year old dies, it's not a shock, but he knew what was happening and what. I called Jerry about the TV show and I said, can I do a TV show like that? I said, I've seen bits and pieces, but during the day, like you, Tricia McKie, I'm working. He

said, of course you can. He said, I'll help you all. I got producers, I'll help you come along. And so we worked together on it in Chicago and then Connecticut, and then he did his production in Connecticut. I did mine, and and Manhattan, and we got together once a month to talk, and the two Cincinnatians in New York City, and he kept saying, Man, can you believe this is happening? I said, Jerry, I have no idea if somebody would told me I would spend

five years doing a television talk show, are you kidding me? That's not even something I even tried to do. And and you never never heard a bad word about a person. Jerry Springer was a liberal as liberal who didn't like censorship on college campuses. He was a traditional liberal who would not have liked that. But isn't it fair to say we'll never see his like again? That's it? No, I said, no, you will, you won't. I mean, I can remember even being up on your set in

Chicago when your show was just starting. We talked about Jerry Springer. Now I remember being there in Chicago with you talking about that. Now you want I said, Oh my god, I said, you talking about over my skis. Geez. Oh no, you you knew you hit everything out of

the ballpark. You know that, you know I'm a fan. Hey, let me ask you this though, what's like if you wanted to if somebody were calling you say, if I'm calling you, I'm doing an interview with you, and I want to ask you give me one encapsulate a memory of Jerry Springer. How would you do it? Because I think that you're one of those people that knew him well, if not the best, in all of Cincinnati. His generosity. He would give away money to guests and to

people who needed it. He was a multi multi millionaire, generous self effacing, never never took himself seriously. He was serious about politics and policy. He wasn't serious about Dancing with the Stars, or The Prices Right, or the Jerry Springer Show or Judge Jerry. He said he did that for the money and I have some fun, but it was serious. He loved his family, He loved his daughter, I loved his wife, loved life.

Jerry Springer was friendly and fun and from the first time I met him in nineteen seventy seven to the last time I talked to him about two or three months ago, every conversation we could go a year or two or three and never speak, but every time I spoke to him, it was like we'd just spoken the previous hour. He was a friendly, fun guy, and I know, I know I'm gonna miss him. He was a good man.

That's well said, all right, Tricia McKie, We'll be watching tonight, And once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show when you talked about coming to Chicago to do those pilots. The producer of that show of mine was Richard Dominick, who was Jerry Springer's executive producer for twenty years, and we spoke about Jerry and he said, I can't believe a quick study. He's smart, he gets it, he performs and he said

watch. He gave me a real as some of Jerry Springer's better shows and said, if you can, if you can be similar to that, you'll be successful. And whether it was Steve or it was Morey, they all grew from the tree of Jerry Springer. And I think news anchors today, you're from our community. You understand this, and so many are that once you come to Cincinnati. He was in London, he was in New York, he was in Chicago. Who is in New Orleans, but the one

place he wanted to live with Cincinnati, Ohio. He seemed to me like he was just a genuine person. He every time I talked to him, he was happy. He would joke, he would joke about politics. Yeah, he was so much credibility when he was anchoring the news and he and he let his personality come back, which is something that I've always tried to do, just you know, just be kind of like one of the gang.

We're just sitting around and we're going to talk about the news. We're gonna do the news every night and have a little bit of fun, but I'm going to tell you what's going on. Trisha Mackie, thank you, and take care of yourself and each other. Thanks buddy, thank you. Let's continue your comments five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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headed to Uh, the Patriots may get him before the Bengals do. It's a no Mayor. I don't know. We lost him there, Jaffrey Springer. How about that icon of television? Will he right there? He's on the Mountain Rushmore? You agree that Mount Rushmore? Yeah? I mean you know he goes through that thing with the check and the hooker over there was good by the way, and then and then he was good. Then he ends up A legendary newscaster and anchor at Channel five and then does his show.

Unbelievable career for that man. He did too hot for TV. Did those Member of videos, DVDs and all that stuff. He did too hot for TV. Some of the outtakes that you couldn't put on television, they were much worse than the TV show itself, which I enjoyed. He taught me quite a bit segment, Give me some sports. The reds are rolling, Willie. The Students Report is a proud service of your local tem Star

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C? J. Stroud? You know somebody? Some people say will Levi us at a Kentucky's stock has has risen greatly not the past few days to Stut's going to be the most picks in the draft twelve Texans Raiders, Packers, fewest picks, Dolphins with five now no picks in the first round to night include the Rams, forty nine, Ers, Dolphins, Broncos and Browns. No, just just gonna sit back and wait till tomorrow. What about the Bengals? Bengals are picking twenty eighth. Okay, the Reds. How

about that. You leave town and look what happens to get three walk off jobs in a row against the pretty darn good team. Pretty good. They were in first place, the Rangers. The Reds are off today. Here we go, Red Legs, Here we go. When did he come back? He's coming back? Oh, he's coming back. Oh, back to

Bengals. Well, we want to say congratulations to Phil am Rhine. He's a jeweler out of coal Rain. He's the Raining Bengals fan of the year, and he's going to announce the first pick tonight on national tele Vision. We got a report here that, according to Tom Ashmore, it appears that Sinzel pulled a ham string during his home run celebration. Is that true? No, that's not true. He's pulled a hamstring. No, heard a toe, No, sprained his shoulder. Nope, you're sure I saw him

yesterday after the game. No, he's on the DL Nope. Please continue. Reds are off today their first and twenty days, spending it in beautiful San Francisco and Oakland. That's a mistake. Six game road trip commences tomorrow night, with the first of three up against the A's in Oakland and they really stink, Yes they do, but they play San Diego correct. Then they come home to the White Sox and you're man, Andrew Bennettendi, I

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They just won their fourth Big East championship. They're headed to the NCUBA Regionals in a couple of weeks in Westfield, Indiana. And c J. Frederick, I know you you've you taught him out of shoot versus versus. His uncle will now play for the Cincinnati Bearcats. Why not? Savior obvious

with Sean Miller yesterday. Oh, I don't know. I don't know what the deal is with x Purcell Marian's d Alexander is the inquired choice for the Division two Player of the Year. And I'm sure you'll be there, Willie. The Memorial Tournament coming up at the end of next month starting he made twenty ninth the beautiful mirror Field Village. Isn't it one of those special tournaments? The home of the home of Kent Merker. Is it designated uh Memorial.

Last year's winner Billy Horshell, world number two, Scottie Scheffler, two time two time major champ, and the reigning PGA champion Justin Thomas, and the last year's Rookie of the Year Cameron young Evola said there. They will be there for the big Memorial tournament. I think about that. I got a text here from Seawan Compton who says the following, tell the segment. I have the one hundred days to end the premiering tonight on the CW. I know at nine o'clock. I can't wait to see it. Yeah,

are you kidding? One hundred days? That's right? Who's gonna win this year? I don't know, Well, he gotta that's a month, that's a few weeks away yet, I gotta you know about Emerson Fittipaldi. Now he's not racing anymore. Marcus Ericson is the defending champion. Hush chocolate and dread? Who Andretti? Uh, probably Marco's in it. What about Jeff Gordon? No, he's retired, he's in NASCAR, he's not in Indy Cars. Didn't he raise that at one point? Uh? No, please

continue. That's about it. So glad, glad, you have returned triumphant, triumphantly along with other Cincinnatians. And I'll tell you there's a lot of a lot of fans and a lot of fans years on the plane, Great Christopher Athletic director of Xavier Wow Sean Miller. I told Sean Miller, keep hope alive, Sean, keep hope alive. When you when you get on a plane like in public, is it is it like does the does the explane like explode in like? Uh? In emotions that people can't adequately adequately

express, they stand up an applaud? Do they? And I always sit like in twenties that way too. Is that for the first lady or is that for you? You make? And then I always walked past two applause. Then I sit down. People say why are you sitting back here? And I said, I'm the voice of the common man, for God's sakes, and the voice and the common man on the airplane conscience of America.

I'm want to be with schleps like you. I don't want to be up there in first class with Bob Summer All and the rich people Jeff Weiler or the rich and the famous. Yeah, I'm gonna be Gregory Dean Gregory. Yeah. I want to be with the schleps. Yeah, Elmer Hendler's up front. Yeah, I'm back in the schleps. Okay, That's where I belong. I may be a common man, but I voiced the hopes of the common men and women. And I tell women that I meet, Yeah,

they always come up to me. Of course. Any advice, I said, Yes, find a man that you want to live the rest of your life with. Have children, get married first, have children, have grandchildren. I've met many women thirty five, forty forty five years old that follow the toxic femininity route. By that, I mean I don't need a man. What route is that? Is that off seventy five or something?

Toxic femininity means don't have a serious relationship with man, Go to college, go to medical school, go to law school, have your own career. Get to be about thirty thirty five years old. You have no significant other and you have no children, no hopes of having grandchildren. You get to be thirty five or forty, the clock has ticked. Now you're in deep trouble and you get bitter angry. You have testosterone, and Tricia Mackie has

estrogen. For a reason. The two genders are equal, but different. Women need to be women and men need to be men. Men, get off porn, get off the websites, get off all the twitter bs and find a woman you want to spend the rest of your life with. Forget about the video games. They don't matter. Too Many Americans, especially women, i'd say by seventy to thirty, want a less traditional role. They want to they want to bring home the bacon fried up in the pan.

Never make you forget you're not a man, and they want to have victims of talk. Seek femininity. Find a man that's the most important thing in your life. At the end of your days, you're going to reflective on time with your family, with your children, with your grandchildren, maybe with your great grandchildren. You're not going to worry about a bill that wasn't met on time, or some job you didn't take, or something of that character.

If you're a younger woman, identify a man that you want to spend the rest of your life with. You have estrogen for a reason, and damn it, I got testosterone for a reason. Don't chemically change that. Follow the dreams of women for generations and thousands of years. Find a man, get married, have children. Secondarily, if you want to work, have at it. Work, But your main focus has got to be forming a family structure that makes sense for you. You know what I'm saying.

Oh, that's a that's a heck of a speech that you just gave. There didn't the music. I didn't mean to music. Well, let's face it, you may had those in a while. You may pick the wrong man, you may pick the wrong woman. It may happen. Work through your difficulties and stay together, much like al Green would say, stay together and fight through the problems. Don't give up, don't quit, don't stop. Forty forty I know lawyers and judges forty to fifty years old that are

female. Yeah, they have no husbands, they have no children, no prospect of having children, no grandchildren. They have all the things they need in life, all right, except substance and the reason to live here comments you're taking marriage counselor classes in your off time or something that's pretty good? Oh, thank you and welcome anything else. In sports, give me your selection. I'm saying it's gonna be Mike Mayer of Notre Dame. What do

you say? If he's there? Will he take him? Because he'd be a heck of a target for number nine. That would be wonderful to have Michael Mayer as in a Bengal uniform. Will he be there? That I don't know? I mean he might shouldn't slide there? Who you should know? Oh, nobody knows. Why don't you know? Carolina is on the clock now, Kansas, right, they're right now on the clock now, and then Houston is second tomorrow second and third, correct, and then four,

then four through seven. They pick like like like crazy on Saturday. There could be a Tom Brady in that selection, now, wouldn't that be something? I'm thinking? Maybe? Uh, they there's a good corner back in out of Mississippi state that I think they like, and that there's a massive offensive lineman I think out of northern Michigan. Who's like as big as this room. Well, they got plenty of lineman, don't they. Well, we don't know about Jonah Williams. It's Collins back, Colin Jonah got

to play. I don't know, you should find out. How about the last player selected by the forty nine ers a few years ago, starting quarterback? Right, I don't know. It'll be it'll it'll commence at eight o'clock to night and see what happens. Mel Kiper will be there with his hairdo and going nuts. What about Jerry Springer sad Day Willie and local television and international television? Man? I mean that guy, he did it all.

I mean he's a legendary iconic broadcaster. And Jerry Springer, which way, he did Miss World in Miss Universe contest, right, he did Let's make a deal yep, not talking to a hooker either, he said let's make a deal. He did that show. Of course he did judge Jerry. That's right, Jerry Springer show. Got about that. Yeah, that's true, did it all segment? And he was and they were number one with Norma Jerry pat berrys DJ there at the time. I think it was George

George v no Ken, I think it was ken Brew. I call him Ken call ken Brew up. I don't think it was DJ. I think he was. I don't. I think he was a nine or twelve back eighty three, eighty four, eighty five, I don't know. I mean that forty years to go a forty years unbelievable, Andy Mac take man, get me out of the students Report, please, well ya, this is the fortieth anniversary of then manager of the Cubs, Lee Elia, ripping onto fans and a classic tirade. We leave you with the immortal words of the

Student Report. All these don't call fans that come out, and they're Cub fans that are supposed to be behind it, ripping everything you do. I've done your l thing. I hope we get hider just to pump it up them. Three thousands and people to show up every day, because if they're the real Chicago fans, they can kiss my dad right downtown and print it and really really behind you around here, right Dad? What am I supposed to do it? We're out there and letting my players get destroyed every day

and be quiet about it. But Nickel nine people to show up. The mothers don't even work, That's right, around up the game, by god, and get a job and find out what it's like to go out there on a living eighty five person won't working the other fifth thing come out here playing around breaking suckers. I've done cooking tuckers like the players that guy fusing their pasts. Enough people pooh, and that's the cut, my aunt. They talk about the great the point that the players get around here. I

haven't seen it this here. Well, how long did he survive after that one? Not long? I think by Sundays. I guarantee if I was in that room taping that I would have been on the floor laughing. But you can't do that. Though it wasn't funny at the time. No, what well now it is, that's hilarious. Let's continue with more of the life and time, said Jewry Springer. I always called him Jewrey Jewrey segment. Thank you very much, Yes, sir shouy to have you back.

Willie Sean Compton, thanks you. By the way, I'm going to Israel and about a month Israel. I think I think they were shooting each other again last week when you were out. I mean you might want to reconsider herb Risenfeld says, I'll be safe. What do you say, Herb? You better right? If HERB says it's it's it's, it's a done deal, I'll be I'll be at the whaling wall sticking a note in a crevice. Remember my comments about marriage and all that means. That's pretty good and

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We spent a lot of time on Jerry Springer that you have had little or no connection with, but you're like a lifelong Cincinnati and so what are your thoughts on the passing of Jerry Springer. We're where we talking about the murder of David Pete and some others. Well, it's very sad to hear and learn that Jerry passed away. He was such a staple to Cincinnatians. We all know many stories about Jerry Springer. He was on the news,

he was the mayor. Not too long ago, there was a benefit for Mattie's House where they honored styles and he was one of the guest speakers at the roast. He was a roaster And so I just saw him about a month ago, and he had no idea that how sick he was and that he had cancer that he was dealing with. So here too young, Yeah, I mean the older you get, the younger you're a pair. When I was last saw him about six months ago, and uh talked about radio,

talked about television, talked about the future. It's some more plans. Wanted to do a podcast, and I was going to be on his podcast, back and forth, left and right, and away we go. But he is, he's on the mountain rushmore to me of entertainers out of Cincinnati. Whatever course of business he went into, he succeeded. Let's talk about a pearl hearing coming up and can you tell the story of nineteen year old David Pete who was working in a many club suburban Cincinnati. What happened to

David Pete? Well, he had just finished his first year of college at you see, and he was working at the comedy club. And by the way, they loved him so much there. He was a greet that they annually celebrate his life and his honor. He was an artist, he was a musician. He had a great future. I met with the family a few days ago because I'm so concerned about um, this David McGee potentially being released by the parole authority, and I wanted to get to know more about

their son and brother. And there was so many wonderful things that they said about him, and how if you were a stranger and you met him, you were immediately his friend, that he had such a love of life, brought great joy to their family and it was just a tragic, horrific murder. Back in August of two thousand and didn't they come to pass Because David Pete simply wanted to go to Taco Bell to get a late night snack. That's how it began. That's exactly right. So he was out with friends.

Here's the nineteen years old He's out with friends and decided to go home early. His father was out of town and his mother was home alone, so he was going to go home early to be with her. And on his way home, he stopped at Taco Bell and Clifton and that's where he crossed pass with these two very dangerous colthearted killers McGee and Price. They approached him. They had a plan. They were going to get a ride from someone, and unfortunately David was there and I guess it, reluctantly agreed to

give them a ride. He initially was telling them no, but they worked on him enough that he agreed to give them a ride. And shortly after they're in the car, they pulled a gun on him, ordered him to off the car, and then forced him into the trunk of his car. Before he even got into trunk. He gave him his wallet, all his money, let him have his car. Begged for his life to let him go, and they wouldn't let him go. They pushed him, you know,

they'd forced him into the trunk of the car. They then drove down towards the north Side area, Uh, down a dark secluded road. UM ordered him out of the car and m forced him on his knees. And again he's begging for his life, he's crying, UM, and they ordered him at gun point. He was forced to his knees. They put the gun to his head and shot him, uh four times, not just once, four times. Um. And that and that and they left um and

then burned the car up. I guess two of you know tried to conceal evidence set that on fire after they stole the stereo equipment out of it. Um. It was a horrific, coldhearted kill. Uh. These are crime, um McGhee, as well as price prices serving a life sentence. David McGhee was seventeen at the time. And you can't you can only give an eighteen to life with the possibility of parole to someone that was a juvenile at

the time. If he was eighteen years old. He would have gotten a life sentence, but life doesn't mean life right now in front of the parole board. Um, he's in front of the parole board. Back then, when he admitted to and can gave a full confession admitting admitting to the crime.

Um, the parole hearings were going to occur every ten years. They have to tell you after meeting with the family, I mean, it was if the when they were describing not only their son, their brother, um and what had happened and the effect this has had on them, It's like it was it was just happened. It was like it was yesterday. The emotions are in grief is so raw and so um uh. They were reliving it. And so every five years now rather than ten the law has changed

to every five years. Every five years, they got to go through this. And we're concerned this parole board has been releasing ninety percent of violent criminals. The prosecutor's office here has been fighting very hard on every single one of them that the parole board is more liberal, bent, more woke than we want. And the fear is that he could be released. So I'm asking your listeners, and I appreciate you letting me on. Is that I'm asking

for a call for action to go to the Hamilton County Prosecutor's website. We have a tab called Parole Watch and all you and we need the community as many people as possible to prevent this man from being released into our community and back into someone's neighborhood. I don't believe that this person should ever be released. Life should mean life. He got eighteen to life. It should mean

life. This was a cold hearted killer who had ice in his veins, and I can't imagine after serving twenty three years behind bars that he has reformed, his heart has stoftened, that he would not be a killer again or hurt others again. If he's released. No one is safe, and the family in particular does not feel safe. They are traumatized by this horrific event and they do not feel safe if this man is out walking in the same

city that they live. Well, this murderer, David McGee is thirty nine years old, not even turned forty yet, and David Pete that he murdered in cold blood kneeling away from the scene, is dead. He's not lived the next twenty three years of his life, his family's gone through a living hell. And when I read this, they pulled out the pistol, ordered David David back from the car gunpoint. They walked him and begged him not to kill them. He began to cry. He cried, and then they

put him on his knees and blew his brains out. And that guy was seven teen years old. And now the last twenty three years, he's not gotten softer, he's probably gotten harder. And it's amazing that life doesn't mean life, not the parole board. For it's one thing that this guy who was now eighty nine years old and it's six months to live, that's one thing. Well, when you're thirty nine, in good physical shape and you murdered someone execution style, with which I would suggest it was not the last,

not the first time he committed a serious crime. That to get out of jail and live next to other people and the same crap will happen. So Melissa, once again, Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office. Look for the tab that says parole watch and this defendi's name is is that David McGee? Is that correct? That's correct? And you'll see his name he's up for parole. We want that. We do believe the pro board will listen to the community as many letters as possible. These letters, it's a real simple form

that you can use. It doesn't take much effort, and you can It's just a simple fill in the blank type of thing, and you can include a narrative or a message as to why he should not be released. We're asking the community to do that, not only for this family that is being victimized over and over every time he's up for parole, but also just for everybody in the community to feel safe. We want to keep Hamilton County a

safe place to live, and this person needs to stay behind bars. Do you give advice to any man or a woman that would find themselves in some unpredicted horrible circumstance whether to go with or not to go with? If you damned if you do, damned if you don't. But if a woman's in a shopping center or maybe in a mall and walking toward the car and someone puts a gun upside of her head, what should she do? Well?

The advice that I've always been given and what I've read about just for my own personal safety, but also I've learned over the thirty one years I've been in the criminal justice system, it is to fight. Do everything you can to fight because mislikely your life will be taken anyway, and the last thing you do is ever getting the trunk of a car, because at that point you pretty much will not survive that event. So my advice would be is

to fight. If you have any measures of self defense, have that with you. I think today's world is a lot different than twenty three years ago. You know, twenty three years ago, we were much more naive. I think here David mislikely had no idea. He was reluctant to give a ride to strangers that thought he was helping somebody, and that goes to the type of person he was. Was also young that and I'm guessing here as

avoiding somewhat of a confrontation since they did not let it go. They kept insisting they needed this ride, and probably the easiest route was, well, okay, what's the harm it is just right down the street. But what my advice would be is to fight, especially for a woman, is to fight, fight, try to get away as fast as you can, and don't give up. Yell, scream if you got oh yeah, don't forgot

about that scream Like, you know, it's nobody's business. Um, you know, we're to the point where you could lose your life or lose your voice. I mean, but scream to attract attention. That's another thing. It's how it's useful. It's tough and matter. You don't know how I think many young people find themselves. Yeah, you need to ride, hop in the car. Hitchhikers. Hey, I'll pick up a hitchhiker. He looks okay, she looks okay. That's not the way I tell younger folks

around me. Don't pick up hitchhikers. Don't give money to the homeless because they're going to use it for bad purposes. Someone's begging for money, it's some interstate highway. Don't give them money, don't let him in, don't open the window. And it's a momentary passage and your good. But twenty three years ago, we were a more sane society than we are today.

And in twenty twenty three, I can't imagine how many derelicts, mentally ill, drug adduced individuals that need help are out there looking for a way to make a buck or to make some money, and god knows, don't be the next victim. But if it's your time to go and you scream, holler and shout, you do whatever, and you get hurt or killed by

that, at least you died. Shall always say fighting. But to get in a card, to let someone in your car, to get in a trunk, never ever, ever, ever, ever do that, because by doing so, you make your death more likely. This does not blame David McGee one bit. It was nineteen years old and he was completely innocent. The victim's name is David Peach. The defendant's name is David McGee. So

you just switched up. But you're absolutely right. And the other thing, too, boll is like you know, you used to be able to if there was you were upset, or there was some kind of minor conflict, could say something to people. Now you can't even say something for fear that you could get shot or road rage, And I mean you can't. You just need to walk away from incidents without trying to create one. But if you're in a dangerous situation, such as our young victim here found himself.

Today we know more and I think today you know you've got a better chance of surviving by fighting or attracting attention or going in for help. I mean anything any ways, fall down. IM not going to pick up one hundred and forty pound a woman very often. And the other thing about David McGee, he's going to get out, he's going to reoffend. One thing I tell other people, Madam, prosecutor is on a road rage type incident. Somebody's angry. Don't flip the bird. Don't get involved in verbal back and

forth with someone. You don't know what kind of animal is going to come out of that car or that pickup truck. Don't do that. Simply maintain your focus, let it go. Don't speed up to somebody, slow down them go past you, and don't give them a reason to shoot you. Because people have been shot simply flipping somebody the bird because they were cut off, right right, It's a crazy world out there, all right. Once again, going hamlet County prosecutor and look at the parole watch. Defender's name

is David McGee, mc capitol gee. Please contact the parole board to keep them locked up. And Melissa Powers, once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Melissa. You're welcome, Thank you Bill, have a great day. Thank you all. Let's continue. And many times these events happen when you're not cognizant. It's going to occur. Things happen all of a sudden that you had no idea, you'll find

yourself in a bad situation. So if you can think in your own mind ahead of time, I'm not going to react anyway to a road rage incident. If someone puts a gun upside your head and orders you to get in the car, or whatever it might be, don't do it. If it's going to happen, happen here, fall down. In other words, if you're standing up, sit down, whatever it takes. Yell, stream,

holler, and shout. Do not pick up any hitchhikers ever. Do not open a window and hand someone supposedly homeless some money in the interstate exit or entry ramp. Don't do that because that's dangerous. We live in a crazy world with fentonel heroin, drug addiction and all kind of perversions are out there.

This is a different place to live than it was twenty three years ago when David Pete was a young, innocent, nineteen year old boy who thought, well, I'll give Somebody give these guys a ride who need a ride. No, don't do that, say no, whatever's gonna happen. It's gonna happen, but it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen here. It's not gonna happen in some deserted highway. Not going to occur. Let's continue.

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in an alternative plan for paying for mass transit. How about slot machines on all the buses. Think of the crowds our buses will attract. Hello, Hello, quiet, and I'm I'm broadcasting a celebration of life segment. I'm Jerry Springer seventy nine years old, legendary, an iconic broadcaster, wills on the Mountain rush more of entertainers out of Cincinnati, I would say so, and died at the age of seventy nine earlier today or late last night,

and doing a lot of programming on January. I got Tanya O'Rourke coming up in about seven or eight minutes to talk about her internship at channel five or five stands for news. Can anybody get a horde of Norma yet? Normer has been spoken to? Oh? Okay, so we'll see what happens. Okay took him from last by Ken Brew, the first Ken Bruise, a living legend. Oh, no doubt about that. He's got a beer named

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to call Dennis Jansen. You have to call George Vogel. I gotta call everybody. You certainly do call him now. I'll take over the Bengals update. The NFL Draft begins tonight with Round one in Kansas City. Bengals pick twenty eighth overall, bearing a trade. See what happens, What Best? Bengals coverage begins six oh five. Lance and Company live from the Holy Grail with the TLG Peterbilt NFL Draft Show presented by Encore Technologies, five Iron Golf

and Emory Federal Credit Union. Right here on seven hundred W BALLW The Carolina Panthers are on the clock right now. Say how about the US Senate preaching to the United States Supreme Court about ethics and morals and values? Are you kidding me? Am? I missing something here? They're all over Clarence Thomas right. Oh, why because he's a conservative? I mean they can do. I mean, you don't think those guys took You don't think the sen

you don't think they took trips? Yeah, the Senate, Yeah, they're ripping on him for taking a trip or two. The Democrats in the Senate are complaining about ethics? How many? How many? How many trips? Is Shermer all of them? Uh? Pelosi and all the rest of them, all of them. Yeah, but it's tiny and all the rest of them. How many they take for free? Andy Mack Reds update. The

Reds have the day off today. They are in out West. They'll kick off a road trip tomorrow night with the first of three against the A's in Oakland. The action right here on seven hundred W BLLW. They are the Oakland A's are nine and twenty nine season. What are the Reds? Haven't they won ten to ten and fifteen? Pretty good? See you leave the whole town's batty about Cincinnati? What a team? A team? What a team? Is he coming back? You think that about this? I heard.

I don't want to say it. I think he'll be back. Maybe you think he'll be back after the West Coast swing. I've heard rumors. Yeah, I'm not saying what the rumors are, Okay, but I've heard rumors. Roster moves today by the Reds. Picture. Graham Ashcraft is on the bereefit list. He lost his grandmother on Monday. Is Nick Senzel disabled? No heart? His leg in the home run trot Noe recalled from Triple A Louisville is right hander Casey Legomena and also placed on the injured list as

infielder. Outfielder Big Will Myers not been hitting, but Nick Senzel is okay. You sure he didn't hurt him? Yes, no, I saw him yesterday after the game. Very happy Willie. And he's going. He's went three for four the other night. See you leave town, they catch fire. That's my point. How about if you're an Oakland sports fans, Raiders Golden State Warriors. Now next up the A's. Well, the Raiders and A's are going to Las Vegas. I guess the Golden State to State.

Let's go. I mean there's nothing in Oakland. Nothing. The A's began in Philadelphia. You then yep, Kansas City? Yeah, now Oakland, Yeah, soon Las Vegas. Viva Las Vegas. I don't know what to tell you, but I mean, people talk about the Rench franchise moving. No, I'm not gonna move. Ain't gonna happen. No, they're moving. John Barrett, Lender Farmer, mister Wiler, Reese powers you me, Tom Gregory, P and G. R. Kroger sent toss. Rob Sanders

never allow it? And what about Justice Joe here to get involved? Two? Shouldn't he? Or or is he? Uh? Is he ineligible? He's too he's too big now, Okay, the way it is when you go to the top. Joe Deeters has forgotten us. He doesn't talk to me. We don't call each other anymore. Wow, haven't talked to him call the show either, does he? No, haven't talked to him since he talked more to the Chief Justice, mister Kennedy than Justice Joe. He's

gone big time on me. It happens. It happens, believe you know. We're just a little happen. We're just the little people here and they just throw us in to the to the side of the road possible. And look what happened. Yep, forgot us. Look at Collinsworth who Yeah, he took our call for time. Furman's the same way. What about Trumpy? I think collins wor take our call? I don't know, it's fine. Was he doing quarter to three on an afternoon? Like this? Is

any gonna do with the draft? I don't know. Yeah, I mean it's probably down there right now. Taking the pick all right here, goes. Good luck on this one. I say, he answers, I say he wonked. It's got more sense. I don't know. I told you Sunday looking good. Well, I was right. I win the prize. I win the prize. I said he's too big to pick up. And I'll never pick up. Who they gonna pick there? Chris, who they gonna pick? Day? Well? Who are the bengu What about Michael Mayor?

Who are the Bengal? Was gonna pick? What is that? Chris collins Worth saying, Yeah, that's that's what I've got. I've got Michael Mayor. I you know the Bengals, Yes, yeah, with the Ohio State kids or the home grown kids, because they want to stay. You know, you get the free agent and maybe free agency, maybe you get a little more cash somewhere love and and you know you got brother stay in Cincinnati. So he fits. He's what they need. I think. I

think that's who if he's there, I'm not sure he'll do that. Well. When I think of you, I think a Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer and Chris collins Worth. What are your thoughts on the on the passing of Jerry Springer. First of all, Jerry was a good friend. And I know a lot of people have various opinions and whatever, but um, I did the the news one night. I was built in in the sports department over there, and to give you an idea of the kind of guy area.

So anyway, invites me out to dinner and he's doing his you know, nightly editorial and he's all he has is like a yellow pad and a pen, and he's sitting there while we're having a conversation and he writes out this beautiful essay that he's going to read on the air while he's talking to me about football, talking about wow. And but so then we go back in and so I'm like blown away. You know, sometimes you just meet

somebody to just go, God, how do you do that? And like the first time I ember met sec you know what I mean, you do that? Yeah, how'd you do that? And so we go back in and I'm doing eleven o'clock news and so they, you know, they hand me the piece of paper and I'm supposed to read it. But as you read the stories, you're supposed to flip along with a piece of paper.

In the case something happens to the telepropt. So Jerry comes over and he gives me this big introduction and they're all smiling on the day, like not like like nice to see you and welcome kind of smile. Something's up, but I was too petrified to even get it. So I'm sitting there and they go again. Jery goes, hey, welcome in from Cincinnati Bengals. You know, twenty four year old Chris Collinsworth, and he's gonna do the sports tonight. You know, hey, Chris, great having you here.

Take it away, right. Yeah. So I'm sitting there and I turned to start reading and the teleprompter and there's nothing there. It's a blake screen. So now I can begin to feel the first beat to sweat on my bod dropping down the side of my face, and I'm looking over at you, son of So now I'm but I remember the first story. I'm there are two stories. One was the Indianapolis five hundred yeah, the other one

was was the Rets. And so I go and I but I kind of got the stories mixed up, and I said to him about tonight under the lights the Indianapolis five hundred. No, no, no, that's not that's not it at all. I always the worst sportscast in there, and they are howling, pat Berries, they're crying, They're all going crazy for this thing. I know, you guys are just not right. You are just but incredibly talented, you know. I love Jerry had a great sense of humor. I just saw him, Holly, and I just saw him.

A couple of maybe a couple of weeks ago. We were downtown having breakfast and we were sitting there and we were across away and Jerry was working hard on something. I don't know what he was doing, and so they're sitting at a table. I was like, I'm not gonna disturb him, and so we bought him breakfast, and you know, and then you know, it's whenever the waitress came over and he was like, oh man, it's so nice. He came over and said hi, and we're like, what

are you doing in town? And you know, he said, you know, I had an appointment I had to go to. But apparently he was. He was sick even then, and nobody really knew it. And it just thinks, I mean, maybe outside of Cincinnati, whatever his reputation is, but but in Cincinnati he's just he loved Cincinnati. You know, he made mistakes. We all made mistakes, but he's just he was a guy

that was really special to me. Uh and I'm gonna miss him. Holly called me when she heard the news, and she goes, I just kind of needed to talk to somebody that they knew him and cared about him, and you know, she goes, it just it hurts, you know, and it does because he is a special guy in Cincinnati. What would have happened if someone had the tape of you on Channel five doing sports and said, this is the main sports analyst on NBC. What you has said?

That's not the same guy. That's something wrong about now. I don't know what. I don't want to. I would have been working as an intern for SICK. That's that would have been the highest I had ever gone. If that tape got out, that's absolutely the intern for see. In turn for see, I would have been honored. We would have had fun, right and we had a good time. Amen. I've been out running around, you know, say do you want do you want cream? Sugar?

Whatever you need? Okay, Chris, whatever you say? You say, Well, what is it about Cincinnati that has so many national characters who begin here and one is still live here. Whether I had a list that was like thirty long at one point of individuals such as yourself and Boomer and Jerry who kind of came to Cincinnati from elsewhere and like never left or always had a connection. What is it? What is it about Fort Thomas or Cincinnati. I think even when they're mad at you, they still treat you like

family, you know what I mean. It's like, so, okay, there are people that are convinced I hate the Bengals because I don't, you know, yell who day after every touchdown and when I'm on the air and all that. But they still, you know, they'll tell you why they're mad at something, but they don't always treat you like part of the family. And even though I wasn't I was born in Dane, Ohio, but even though I didn't grow up here, and I think Pete was like that.

I just saw Johnny the other night. You know, you feel an attachment to this town and it's just big enough that you're in a big city and it's just small enough that it's intimate, and do you have great relationships and like a fraternity or a sorority, maybe you know how you're always in the club and the club is bigger than what you ever knew. Like when I go on the road, everybody has a story of oh, I was born in Cincinnati, or I lived there, my grandmother lived there. You

know. It's like somehow everything relates back to Cincinnati, Ohio, which is just fantastic, you know, and everybody you know, do you know Bill Cunningham, Yeah, I know Bill cutting Yeah, I know you know. So it's all right, Chris. I know you're busy, and I just want to get your thoughts on Jerry Springer on the draft and it's it's sad, but when a seventy nine year old man dies, it's not like totally

unexpected. But I got a call about nine o'clock in the morning from someone connected to the Springer TV show because he also worked on my five year run as a poor reflection of Jerry, and I heard about I was, oh, I'm so sorry because I heard about him at this at the roast for Simon Leees and he didn't look good. So I made some inquiries. I know he was fighting a bad cancer and at some point he he lost.

But Chris, be strong, thank you, don't leave Fort Thomas, don't leave Cincinnati and always take a call from the little people like SEC and I the major life possible. I'll still be working as sex in turns there and I know that day. Chris collins Worth year a grand American. Give my best to Holly see Chris, thank you well. I owe you a hot fund Sunday. That's all I can say. I'll talk to Ron Shrews to get it delivered. Okay. Is that it in sports? That is it?

In sports? We want to apologize briefly to Tanya o' rourke. Tomorrow, all run it. We'll talk tomorrow and see what's happening tomorrow. Not so the segment. Just tell the American people to coverage here for the draft. The rest of today. Let's see, Willie, we got best Bengals coverage. Tonight, Lance and Rocky six oh five to nine live at the

Holy Grail with LG. Beeter Peterbilt NFL Draft Show presented by Encore Technologies, Five Iron Golf and Emory Federal Credit Union, and then nine to midnight, Mo and Tony Pike will be downtown in late night action at the Holy Grail. As they say, the Bengals pick twenty eighth barring a tree. They will. They say that it might be after eleven o'clock tonight, maybe around eleven thirty that they pick. Well, we're gonna cover it all depends extremely

well correct, correct sided. The cutman and Marty Brennaman may both come back. Would that be something that's for sure? So you got the cutman on Bengals coverage and Marty b back in the booth, then get a better net on a Thursday? Does it? Tucker Carlson, Don Lemon, you're gonna move into that spot? Can't say, although I did put a picture of Jerry Hannity and I on an Angeley Earhart on my Twitter account. If you go to Twitter okay, you will find a classic photo of the good old

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