Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Of course, the brilliance politically, which is good substantively of Governor Abbott of Texas to disperse around blue cities and blue states literally millions and millions of unwashed masses of refugees is having the desired political effect. Of course, as an American, I don't worry about politics. I worry about the survivability of our country long term and the election this is November. How many times have you heard, as a great American that this
is the most important election of your lifetime. Well, if Joe Biden makes it to November the fifth, which is highly unlikely, I think Gavin Newsoon is being groomed to take over, and or Michelle Obama. And if these policies continue the next four to eight years, the country will not exist as we know it. And of course Eric Ruark is with Numbers USA. They have the facts of the statistics and more. Eric Ruark, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show, and Eric going back in time. Numbers USA has
been around a long time. Could you have conceived in your worst nightmare the idea that in a four year stretch is going to be about twelve million identifiable illegals inside of America on top of the twenty eight million here previously, that gets to forty million. And they had, on top of that the idea that the Democrats are promising more of the same. Could you have envisioned the country in this batter shape when it comes to illegal migration, No, I
could not. And I mean you think about and we and under President Obama there wasn't massive surge, but it was nothing compared to what we're seeing now. And the difference is President Obama did take steps we would say they weren't
adequate or they weren't sufficient to really solve the problem. But you know, when President Biden came in and said I'm going to, for instance, get rid of rominam Mexico and the other things he was doing, You're thinking, well, once they realize what the effect that this is going to have, which they should before they do this, but it's going to become obvious, and you think, not just as a policy person but as an American that they will not let this happen. But they continue to let it happen.
And after the Senate bill fell failed last week, they said it's all Donald Trump's fault right, and that's sort of where we're at right now. We're just not having rational conversations where we can see what's happening. The effects are being felt all around the country, including a demonstration traditional Democratic strongholds Chicago,
New York. To point out a couple and the administration is saying, you know, we can't do anything until Congress acts, and Congress is saying, well, least the Senate was saying, well, let's do what you would you like, and then we can move on to our other priorities. And that, I think is what's most stunning to again, not just a policy person, but to Americans is the border. Having a secure board seems to be at the very bottom and on the priority list for a substantial number of
Congress Members of Congress. They want to have a deal, just to have a deal and then move on to what there are other priorities, which is funding Ukraine or Israel or whatever else it is, which may be important issues, but it doesn't take precedence over having a sovereign, secure US border. Well, I watch MSNBC now and then so you don't have to. On one of the morning shows, one of the democratic left wing political activists said
that this was a gift handed to Joe Biden by the Republicans. They're going to tag the Republicans and Donald Trump with the problems on the southern border because the Republicans would not go along with a four hundred page bill which provided free attorneys for every illegal immigrant coming across and a pathway to citizenship and also of voting rights, et cetera. And because because of politics, how's it conceivable?
Eric Drew ark that the average Americans American would say, you know what, that Joe Biden is tough on the southern border, and the problem of the report publicans can they sell that? Well? That's it? You know. I was talking to a reporter about this, and my point was, you know, every all the discussion that we've seen in the reporting in DC
is about the deal. That the fact that they had a deal, of bipartisan deal though really it was McConnell and Schumer which worked it out and they said this is the best you can get, and so either take it or leave it. And it was a terrible bill. So he said, no, thank you. You know, you know, we weren't that polite. We pointed out how terrible it was, and I said, there's not really any discussion about the details. In his response was, well, I'm a
political reporter. You know the details aren't important to me as the politics of it, but that's how DC works. But I also made the point. President Biden went out today after the bill failed and said, again, this is all President Trump's fault. And you know my point, and I think
it's correct. Even people who don't like Trump but will never vote for Trump aren't going to buy the argument that he was soft on the border because some of the reasons that Democrats don't like him is they thought he was way too tough, right, Yeah, So to say that president President Trump caused this and is responsible for, you know, the current Congress and the current administration from taking steps to end it, I don't think that the President Biden can
sell that. And it seems to me really a bad strategy for President Biden to want to make the upcoming election about the border when you're running against Donald Trump. Whatever you want to say about Donald Trump did secure the border. When you and when you compared to President Biden, there's just no there's no
way to say that President Biden is tougher. And I'm not a Democratic voter base voter, So I don't I can't tell you if that plays with me, but I certainly would think it's going to be a really tough sell. Now you have a posting at Numbers USA that says, the following American history is full of rags to riches immigrants stories. They're rich and important. Today's
immigration policy, however, is the reverse robin Hood program. Instead of the unwashed masses showing up at Ellis Island and then distributed all over the country by train, and then these Hibernian societies, Germanic societies would take in these refugees and they would have to get to work because nobody was getting one thousand dollars prepaid credit card, nobody was getting an Obama phone, nobody was getting free food. Forever, it was an opposite system. You had to work,
in fact, to become a legal immigrant. Today, a legal immigrant there's quotas on about eighty countries and it takes three to seven years from the time you apply. You have to provide your access to your criminal record in your home country, had provide your medical records. You have to have a person inside of America that will care for you, economically, it won't be a dredge on society. And you have to have a skill the country needs of
one type or another. We don't have a country anymore that needs millions and millions of unwashed masses working in factory systems or in farms. Had done you know that the policies of the of the nineteenth century don't apply in the twenty first. It's not true of liberty was created in like like the eighteen seventies, eighteen eighties, a completely different America than we have today. So explain how immigration, how it should work, which is America has these needs.
This is the person we're letting in. You'll become a citizen. I've sworn in a citizen group or two down in federal court, in which a federal judge asked me to come on down to give a speech about America and to swear in the new immigrants. And they could not been a greater group of people. They were friendly, they were happy, they got their citizenship papers. They're ready to go, ready to vote, ready to get to work. How is that? How is that not what applies today? You know?
And I've been to a naturalization ceremony myself and it's a wonderful thing to see and take part of. Yep, you know, and a lot of people the argument on the other side as well, everyone who showed up at Elis Island got into the United States. Well that's not true, because lots of people weren't allowed to show up at Alice Island. Lots of countries were barred from coming sending people here. But also a lot of people who did
show up for various reasons were not admitted, including political views. Right there, there were restrictions, and people sort of point out it wasn't until recently, you know, the twentieth century where he actually had the restrictions. We never had open borders in the US, no, But also that you're right to point out our political system we didn't have well we didn't have an income
tax for one in right till twentieth century. But we never had a welfare system for people United States citizens or immigrants, but particularly for people who showed
up here who were in missible, who snuck into the country. Were giving in the case of Chicago, nine thousand dollars and seams a month, and it's been reported that Mayor Adams in New York wants to give people who are illegally in the country ten thousand dollars in cash, and that's coming from taxpayers, and that is an incentive the people who are showing up, they're making a rational decision. If they can go to New York City ten thousand dollars
in cash, why would they not do that? Because our government is sending the message not just we'll let you in, but that we're going to let you in and provide for school, public education, healthcare, cash money assistance, housing assistance. And the difference is, you're right, we don't have the need as we did in nineteenth century when we're undergoing Industrial Revolution for workers coming in. But we also romanticize that history. We don't point out that
these people were being exploited, and the same thing is happening. And so what we're seeing in the twenty first century are increasingly nineteenth century labor conditions for people. We see child labor again on the rise, and that is entirely due to people coming over the border illegally and being allowed to work in the US and being exploited by employers. And that's a real tragedy that unfortunately too
many people, particularly who are traditionally Democrats. They're not standing up for workers, They're standing up for the people who are exploiting them. And we do see some movement within the Republican Party to say no workers should be exploited, whether they're American or not. But we also need to make sure that American workers come first and foremost, and that's a really powerful discussion debate that's taking
place within the Republican Party. But also we're seeing a political shift when it comes to who is representing American workers in DC. Now I'm not President Biden. I assure you of that. No, I'm holding a story about the workers shortage. Liberal Democrats tell us we need these unwashed masses to come in here because Americans will not take jobs. Everywhere I travel on the highways and the byways of the tri state Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, and you're from
a different part of the country, I see employees want it needed. How Come we have large numbers of illegals in this country, We have large numbers of Americans getting public assistants that refuse to take entry level jobs like in fast food restaurants or elsewhere. Is there a worker shortage that legal immigration is going to solve? No, the answer is no, but there are certainly and we can't deny that there is a difference in if you want to say work
ethic or at least Americans who are willing to take certain jobs. Well, we can't just say, well, that's because Americans have all of a sudden gotten lazy or you know, past decade or whatever it is. We have to look at long term conditions, which includes pay and you know, you
know, health care benefits that are that are being provided. And if you're an employee or excuse me, an employer, and the federal government and state governments in many cases are allowing you to hire someone maybe you're paying them off the books, or you're not paying payroll taxes, or you're not paying for
their health care. That is a substantial savings to an employer. And so that the and it's an incentive for someone to come in from another country because they may not be making as much as a US worker would make, as a legal worker would make, but the incentive if they're making more than they would in their home country. But if they have a child here, they get free health care, i mean pre education, and their child is a US citizen. If that child is born here. So that's what we're talking
about when we say incentives. What incentives are there for lots of Americans to take a job which is going to pay you below poverty wages and isn't going to offer you benefits when in something we've looked at COVID, people were making money, more money from the government, or at least they were making enough
where they weren't motivated to go back into the workforce. And we need to make sure that we don't just dismiss At this point, there's thirty seven million US born people between the ages of eighteen and sixty four who were not in the labor force. Thirty seven I'd just say, well, yeah, thirty seven million, and we just can't wipe them away. They exist, and we need to help them get back into the workforce and become productive citizens.
It's not just because they're helping our economy. It's because it's good for them as individuals to be It gives them value right in their lives that they're not sitting at home. Right if you're sitting at home doing nothing, the chances are you're not going to be number one very productive member of society. But also probably not very happy as an individual. And we see that with crime, with drug use, with the you know, suicides and death of despairs.
This is a real problem that our government is saying, well, we have a worker shortage. Well what about the people who are here? What do we do about them? We just don't, you know, consider them
a statistic on the books that we can ignore at our convenience. And you know, I'm reading this column by a story at Numbers USA by Roy Beck that any put together on January twenty fourth of this year, quote the worker shortage myth depresses Black wealth, and it goes back into the eighteen hundreds, and that when I watched some of the interviews out of Chicago in which citizens are saying African American citizens are saying, we don't want this to take but
it's a long history of the Democratic Party misusing their core voting base, which are Black Democrats, to advance their causes, which is hurting black employees and depressing black wealth. And if someone has time Numbers USA, the workers shortage myth depresses Black wealth. It's a wonderful historical treatise by Roy Beck as to how this began and how Philip Randolph and WB du Bois and others forced Congress
to depress annual migration because it was hurting the black workers. And I think there's the inkling, the beginning, maybe in Chicago and New York and the Los Angeles of black Democrats thinking, you know what, I've been a Democrat all my life, and look how I live, look at my schools, look at my environment. Promises are made repeatedly by liberal Democratic politicians, but
the rubber never hits the road. And by the nineteen sixties, the share of the black households that were considered middle class had expanded from two to ten to seven and ten. And then all of a sudden the doors swung wide open with the Great Society, and then today in the last several years by liberal Democrats. Can you briefly explain how that the current immigration policies of the
Democrat Party hurts Black Americans. Well, you know when we talk about what's known as the Great Migration, which is Black Americans who moved from the South to the north to take Detroit or you know, the manufacturing centers Cleveland and Ohio would be another example. This came at a time when there was low
immigration, which started in twenty four and went to nineteen sixty five. And so the economic gains for Black Americans, the greatest economic games by far, came during periods of low immigration because employers didn't have a choice of bringing in people from other parts of the world and employing them. So black economic standing, you know, when we talk about the black middle class, that really came about in the mid twentieth century, and the Democratic Party traditionally did recognize
that. You know, we go back to Frederick Douglas and Brooker T. Washington, but even up to Scott King and Barbara Jordan, who was one of the most prominent members of the Democratic Party in the twentieth century. And one of the reasons that Numbers USA was founded because of Jordan commission she chaired, and one of her main concerns was immigration policy. People who make immigration
policy must be concerned about the most vulnerable Americans. And yes, it's true that all American workers are hurt by mass immigration, but we also need to understand that Black Americans throughout history have disproportionately been hurt because they're always as roy Beck's book is entitled, they're put at the back of the hiring line when
it comes to getting jobs. So you're saying the Democratic Party's policies hurt, hurt the Black Americans who vote for Democrats about ninety percent of the time. And at some point a light's got to go on and the Stockholm syndrome must be reversed and the Black Americans have to understand what the Democratic policies have done for them. Eric grew Ark, we got to run once again Numbers USA.
It's a wonderful site. I haven't touched on the budget deficits, the economic and fentanyl, the human trafficking, the slavery on the Southern board. A haven't got into that. We'll do that to some other point. Eric grew Arc, Numbers USA. Thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you, Eric oh all, it's great to be on with you. Very good. Thank you all. Let's continue with more. Well, maybe black Cincinnatians might figure out what
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