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11-1-23 Willie with Dave Yost

Nov 01, 202316 min
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Willie talks with Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost about his letter to the NCAA warning of an anti-trust suit if they don't approve a transfer waiver for a University of Cincinnati basketball player.

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Everything that happened about ten months ago is going to be dramatic. But most importantly, the Bengals need to win that damn football game, because otherwise the Bills are going to be way in front of the Bengals, possibly for a wild card. But it also made determine who's going to have the wildcard in the playoffs. It needs to be here, not in Buffalo, but until

then. A week or so ago, our Attorney General David yost sent a letter to the NCAA on behalf of UC two time transfer Aziz Bandego in response to their ruling that he was ineligible. There's a couple of basketball players who would like to play this year for Cincinnati but are having difficulties, and our Attorney General, David yost I sent a letter. He got a response recently

from the NCAA. Plus he sued or did other things against Dollar General, the store in which the prices at the cash register were different than the prices on the shelf. It's like ordering a hamburger for nine to ninety five and you get the bill it's eleven ninety five. Many people don't even look at it. Tony Bender has so much money he didn't even look at the menu on the right side anymore. But a few of us are concerned about money

joining us now? Is that same Attorney General David Yost and David welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, can you tell the American people the essence of your letter to the NCAA. There's a real problem with the way they're running the portal. They've got these exceptions, the criteria are broad, even why to open, and so they're letting some people through them, some people not and it looks pretty arbitrary to me. So we

challenge them. I think there's a very good argument under federal and state antitrust law that they're engaging in an illegal restraint on trade. And I let them know that we're not happy about this decision. And I guess it's under repeal from through their internal process. We should maybe hear by the end of this week. But this is a real issue. Were considering taking its court.

Yeah, And the issue with Ben Dango and I guess Reynolds too, is a two time transfer, having played at UCF and Temple, and they're crucial. The issue is not so much are they good basketball players. I assume they are. The issue is to have a consistent set of objective rules that notifies a party whether or not they can play basketball or not. And you're saying that under due process clause of the Fifth and fourteenth Amendments, that substantive

due process is not being followed. Procedural due process may not be followed, and that the interpretation of these rules are so broad that individually someone can not be notified what behavior is prohibited, what behavior is encouraged. And secondly, it takes away from a young man the opportunity at the age of twenty two years old to work to make money, l and otherwise. And so is your argument procedural substantive? Is it the Fifth Amendment? Is it the fourteenth

Amendment? Is it based on the Ohio Constitution, the US Constitution or statutory interpretation? You know what I'm saying, it's kind of all those things. I mean, what they're doing, I think after the Nil decision in the Supreme Court a couple of years ago, their entire entire model is breaking down. One of the arguments they make is, hey, this is necessary for

budgeting, planning. Well, what is it that's necessary to tie these these athletes like indentured servants to particular schools to say you're not allowed to move, you're not allowed to get a better deal, You're not allowed to go someplace that is going to play you. And that's really fundamentally a problem. I'm

looking at the NCUBA. They stated, quote, a second time transfer will have to prove proof of a physical injury, mental health condition, or other exigent circumstances that clearly necessitate in immediate departure such as sexual abuse, sexual assault, or mental damages. In addition, the transfer to u See wants to be closer to his girlfriend's family in West Virginia who served as a surrogate for

the family. And so when you talk about exceptions for physical injury, mental health, hell I got mental health problems or other exigent circumstances that necessitate a departure. That language is so broad. It leads up to a person individually to serve as their grand potentate and doesn't notify these players what rules they're violating, what rules they're not violating. But secondly, my producer, Tony Bender

wants to know how come the Attorney General is involved in this matter? Can you tell him why the ag is going after the NCAA and might sue him. Yeah, I enforce anti trust law. This is not a So I'm not going to sue on behalf of this individual law athlete. If we go there, it's up to him to vindicate his own rights. However, I'm supposed to enforce anti trust law on behalf of the state of Ohio and not

to permit the restraint of trade, which is exactly what's happening here. And the University of Cincinnati is being harmed because they have a willing player that wants to come in and play for their school and they're being arbitrarily prevented by this illegal restraints of trade. The NCAA is perpetrating. But it's just not right. I mean, what if there was a National Broadcasters Association said you have to stay in Cincinnati, Oh, unless I've signed an agreement on that.

Well, you love Cincinnati, but I love I'm not Leo. I'm not going to Delaware County. I'm going, oh where I'm staying here. But in this case, UH that this player from UH was from Kenya or Thailand or somewhere. This guy's never signed a non compete, he never signed an agreement to either comply or not comply. Or secondly, he never sign an agreement that the NCAA has the power to break rules substantive due process rules under

the Clayton and Sherman anti trust laws. He's never agreed to let them do this. In my case, I may have a non compete that says I can't go somewhere else for like six months. Hell, I'm going nowhere else anyway, But nonetheless, as the entity in charge, and the second element of this is nil money, I would assume, like many players that you see, he's making a quarter of a million dollars by playing basketball. And if he doesn't, I have no idea it's a quarter of a million for

him. That that's restraint of economic trade for him a lot of money. That's right, And look it, non competes can't be you used for simply restraining trade. They have to be backed up by some issue. For example, if it takes a long time to train you, or there are trade secrets, proprietary information, customer lists that you're going to come into contact with, then there can be a non compete that will be held up in a court. But for a reasonable time and for a reasonable geographic area. NC

double A is going nationwide. It's for an entire year. He's going to kid's gonna lose a season. And he doesn't have any proprietary information. There's no training costs here that the university's trying to protect. They're trying to protect access to his labor. And I don't care that. You know, the NC double A wrote a letter back to me and said, well, you know, our member universities and colleges all agreed to these rules because they want

it. Well, I got news for him. All the member universities are not allowed to collude and break antitrust law. Bingo right there, that's a good one, they're David. I like that one that Clayton and Sherman as interpreted. I like that now. No, And this guy's name is Bandango. Bandango needs to play for the Bearcats. Bandango, you see, and

you say race serious concerns as an illegal restraint of trade. In essence, NCAA has imposed a sweeping, unilateral, one year non compete restriction and violation of both state and federal law. And that's exactly Bandango. He simply wants to play basketball. Make a quarter of a million dollars. He has no support system anywhere. I mean, this guy, I don't know. I hope you win this thing because I can't imagine the NCUBA has any rules anyway.

They can't have no I mean, schools come and go out of leagues. Coaches go whenever they want. There's rumors that Sadderfield, the coach you see, may become a US senator soon from a Tubberville. I mean, all these rumors are out there, and the transfer to you. He's closer to his girlfriend's family, et cetera. Plus you can claim a mental health condition. You know, I want to be a bear cat? He could, Sam, I really want to wear at I want to be a bear

cat. Well, when will this be be resolved? David Jose because the season starts next weekend. Yeah. The indication we have is that the decision on appeal and the appeal will get resolved, hopefully by the end of this week, and then we will see where we are. But I've got to tell you the letter I got back, they seem to be saying, we don't really care about your about your law. This is the way we do business, and every all of our universities agreed to it. So you go

away and shut up. And even if this one case gets resolved, we've still got this system. Patrick Morrissey over the border in West Virginia, my colleague has a case like this. He wrote them another letter. He and I talked about whether we're going to get a group of ags together and maybe we go to court and fight this thing out once and for all. You can't be writing a deadline letter at the beginning of every season. Yeah, and Morrisy's the age in West Virginia, and all right, we'll see what

happens with that. I noticed that the I team, a CPO in Cincinnati, did an investigation and discovered that there's all kinds of variances between what the cash registers state you owe for products and what's on the shelf itself and things of that character. The headline says the Attorney General that you has reached a one million dollar settlement with Dollar General after an investigation in twenty stores in southwest

Ohio found prices on shelves were lower than that the register. You're encouraged to buy certain items, and you checked out out, and suddenly the price went up when you picked it up off the shelf and took it to the cash register, things went up, So explain that, please, Well, honestly, I think this was a function of the implationary environment. These stores run very lean, right, I mean you go in there, nobody's meeting at the door and saying what can I help you find today? I mean,

they don't have many people. So if you're in an environment like we weren't twenty twenty two and into twenty twenty three, where you know week's week, the price you pay for shampoo is changing, You're gonna be keeping your price register database up to date, but not necessarily having paying clerk to go around and put new prices on all the shelves. That has to be done manually,

and so there's a cost involved. I heard that the talk to the manager at my local Target here in Columbus, US and he told me that he had two people during the second half of twenty twenty two that we're doing nothing except going around to shelves and adjusting the prices. So I get that it was a tough environment, but at the same time, it's a tough environment for the customers. To not have the prices matching between shelf and price

register is unfair. It's contrary to Consumer Sales Practices Act, and so it's against the law. And these are people could if you're stopping a dollar in general, these are the folks that can at least afford to pay an extra dollar for a two dollars bottle of sam two. Well, I read one of your comments quote everything we buy these days cost more. Ohioans can all afford. Businesses draw people in with the promise of low prices only to deceive

them of the checkout counter with a higher price. It seems like a company trying to make an extra buck and open no one will know. We're not only noticed, but we're taking steps to stop it. So now you got the million bucks from a Dollar General. Judge Michael Oaster of Butler County's going to administer it. If you feel as if that you're one of the persons. I mean, Tony Bender shops a Dollar General all the time and he's

very cognizantive price. He counts Nichols and dimes like they were manhole covers. But if you're one of the person who felt like you were screwed, blue tattooed, and barbecued, how can you get a piece of the action. Well, here's a couple of the problems with this case. Where first of all, people would get to the register. Most of them didn't even notice

that they were being charged more. But when you know a few of them did and said, hey, that's only two dollars, is not three dollars And the person the register said, well, you've got paid for it. There's nothing I can do, So you don't have In many instances, we don't know who got screwed over and they don't know it. Secondly, who's going to go in It's it's like these you know, class actions. You get, we'll give you a voucher and seventy five cents you know, send

in your form. Yeah, And so the way this is going to work is the stores that had these problems we are going to have. The money is going to go to food banks in those communities to provide food. And that was the best way we could figure out to try to give back to the community. Because chemmidly giving people two or three dollars or even seventeen dollars

back if they were heavy shoppers, most of them don't know. And the cost of administering that was just well dollar General and et cetera, would would quit the practice, and maybe they didn't have them un level and intent. Maybe it was simply a bet. It never went the other way though. I bet the price on the shelf was a high and at the encounter check, how counter, it was low. Seemingly these things only happen in one

direction. But nonetheless, according to this article, Judge Oster is gonna distribute seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars to zip codes where these stores are located. The other two hundred and fifty thousand it is a penalty and reimbursement to the state of Ohio. And that's the way it's going to work. Well, David Yos, thanks for clearing things up, and good luck with Ben Dango.

Hopefully it'll be dunking basketballs for you see next week. We'll see how that turns out, all right, Thank you, Hekat, Thank you very much, David Yos, Ohio Attorney General. And that you may go to the website also to see more information about the settlement. But it appears to be you're not going to have some administrator lining up, some lawyer lining up to spend a year or two and determining how many people get fifty cents and

who gets two dollars. The administrative expenses would be greater. By the time time you got done in that process, there'll be no money left anyway. But just so Dollar General gets the idea and Target or whatever Walmart, that there has to be some system that the price on the shelf is the price of the checkout counter, and things only go in one direction, doesn't it.

So let's continue with more. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WLW that sound marks innovation, and relieve knowing every seat is proven in the toughest environments. It marks the start of the best year you'll ever have.

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