Bill cunning in the Great American of course. Yes, yes, last night you had a great victory for the Trumpster from New Hampshire. Now it's onto that South Carolina primary, which is going to I'm sure win by thirty points
over Haley. But nonetheless, in the state of Ohio, there's about nine, maybe seven or eight other states that have no state income tax, and states that don't have a state income tax, like Tennessee, Texas and Nevada and Florida tend to do very well economically and they rely upon the sales tax in order to generate a whole bunch of their state to income to run state government. Representative Adam Matthews of Warren County as a proposal to eliminate the state
income tax in the state of Ohio. Representative Adam Matthews, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And can you explain to the American people, Representative why this is a good idea? How much will it save the average American family? When will it happen? So let's talk about state income tax. Why do you want to eliminate it? Ohio has been cutting income taxes for
decades now. The income tax was first implemented in Ohio in nineteen seventy one, and every single time that we've had a census after that, we have lost relative representation in Congress. We've lost population compared to other states. And as you mentioned, states like Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, they're
doing a lot better than us by having a better tax system. And I was able to run House Bill one, which provided the foundation for the two point two billion dollar income tax cut that we had in this last budget and
got us almost to a flat tax rate. And now we have the end in sight, working with other local senators like Senator George Lang and Senator Huffman and Rep. Lampton to by twenty thirty get to zero percent income tax and join those other states so that Ohio can reclaim its role as the economic engine of the Midwest. Now, Adam, how much money just in rough dollars, I won't hold you to a specific number. How much money does the
state income tax generate? Every year? About how much? Looks the modeling that we're having, we're thinking about eight billion dollars. How do you substitute where do you get that eight billion dollars from? Then, assuming get rid of that income tax. Where does the eight billion come from every year? Part of it is going to have to be right. Sizing government. Our budgets in the twenty teams, we're in the sixty billion dollar range. Just
last budget in twenty twenty was eighty billion dollars. In this budget was eighty six billion dollars. So we continue to have an increase of spending. And if we just hold steady, you look at sales tax revenue, not even increasing the sales tax rate over the last six years from twenty seventeen until twenty thirteen, get an increased revenue of three billion dollars. So just holding study allowing the economic growth that we're seeing to keep pace well, not growing government.
It's just a lot of the way there. At the same time, Ohio is sitting on the Utica shale, on natural gas, so that we can follow the model put forward by Texas, Oklahoma, South Dakota of unleashing the energy that's right beneath our feet, so that we can have that type of prosperity that Ohioans have come to expect. And I'm told that the reserves of the shale deposits would provide eighty to one hundred more years. It isn't as if, okay, we only have the shale for the next couple of
years. We're talking eighty to one hundred years, and by that point they're going to find delithium crystal somewhere in Star Trek, and somehow we're going to have the lithium crystals or cold nuclear fusion. But to get to that point, we've got to exploit the natural resources under our feet given to us by God. Do you have wide support for this from other reps and senators and from Governor Mike DeWine. Do they look at you, Askance Adam Matthews,
so, do they nod their head that you're onto something. Of course, there's going to be some politicians that want to continue to spend our hardwar and
tax dollars. But since we had our press release yesterday in Columbus at ten in the morning, and then came back home to southwest Ohio and had a town hall, and since in Mason, my phone has been blown up with other representatives, other senators around the state, some statewides that are very excited about moving to this next chapter, getting to the end point of having zero percent income tax and providing making sure that all of us, our families,
our businesses can better balance our budgets, especially in this time of inflation. As far as as far as economic activity. The states you mentioned Tennessee, Florida, Oklahoma not so much but are kind of like warm weather ports. Oklahoma certainly can be, but basically it's a Midwest state. Do you anticipate there'll be more Americans staying and moving into Ohio without a state income tax?
Absolutely, and one of those. South Dakota is definitely. South Dakota is not a warm weather state and has been doing much better by becoming more business friendly and looking at controls. You have just neighboring to us, We have Indiana, who has ranked much more business friendly on a tax system on how complex your taxes are, and they have about the same weather we do. If you want to know what a weather in Ohio it's going to be,
look at Indiana an hour an hour ago, and they're doing better. You look in a similar way Arizona, New Mexico have very similar weather. Arizona has been cutting their taxes, making sure governments the right size. New Mexico hasn't, and we see that zone is growing much better than New Mexico is so we know that there's whether it's King's Island, whether it's the western southern
Cincinnati Open, whether it's the families that we've grown here. People want to live in Ohio and we have to stop taxing them and encouraging them to leave. My email inbox at the State House has been receiving multiple emails from people that have moved to Georgia to Florida and saying, you can cut these taxes. I'd love to come back and be with my grandkids. To be able to be here, I'd love to move my business back and hire more good
Ohioans here, and that's what we're moving towards. So the plan is by twenty thirty. I think Kentucky had a similar but then the revenues of the state were not as great as they could be. If we had a president in Washington who wanted to exploit the natural resources that are available in shale and throughout Ohio, we'd be in much better shape. But at this point,
we'll see what happens in November now. Secondly, about marijuana, there are some in the House catching flak for not going along with the Senate when it comes to using the present medical marijuana system to sell adult recreational use. What is your position if any unrecreational pot and why has it taken so long to implement the will of the people. So we had the vote of issue too. I think there's a lot of things that still need to be dealt with.
One of the things the vote wanted home grow. However, the way that it was written said that you can parcel out pieces of property. If you have a one acre lot, you could parcel it out to one hundred little pieces and get ninety nine friends to say that you're growing their marijuana. And now you have six hundred plants on your one piece of property. That
doesn't sound like personal homegrowth to me. And so we're going to that sounds like industrialization, and we're going to have really good discussions on how do we listen to the will of the people, but do it in a way that has the type of safeguards that our families expect of us. Because what we got from the voters was a right line of yes or no, and we got to make sure that we take the responsibility well to make sure that there
aren't unintended consequences down the road. Adam Matthews, what's the timeline on this thing? Here we are at the end of January, and to anticipate what month will this be implemented because many are waiting to do what has to be done. I know Bill Sites had them on repeatedly, and the way the way the statutory framework worked on state issue too, that someone in their home could grow enough pot to supply about thirty five thousand joints. And I don't
think the intent was to let somebody have thirty five thousand joints. I'm not sure that's for personal use in one year. I tend to think they'll be giving out to other people or profiting from that. Can you give the American people some idea the month when there's going to be the proper regulations and law and effect and we can move forward on this thing. I would love to get back to work. I'm both in Columbus and then doing my day job
as an intellectual property attorney. Every day when we have session, when the Senate comes and gets things done, we're ready to go. So you anticipate. And lastly, the Senate's putting together their veto of the Governor's transgender rights building Ohio would be the second state in the Union to do this. Kind of tell us your vote on that issue and why it turned out the right
way from your perspective. I was a co sponsor of the safe sect which prevents minors from going under hormone therapy, puberty blockers, and really mutilation of their bodies. And for the same reason that we don't allow miners to get tattoos, we don't allow miners to get breast modifications in plastic surgery. We were able to pass this with a veto proofs majority. The governor came through and vetoed it as well, and I am so grateful that the House could
lead the way in overriding his veto. We need to stand with families against this type of medical adventurism and protect people that are in difficult situations. We know these children are going through hard times, but what we need to do is to be able to walk with them in a similar way that when we had the antirexia crisis of the nineteen nineties and early two thousands, we did not then say, yes, you have a weight problem. We said, how do we get you to confront the reality? How do we love you
in a good way instead of prescribing them appetite suppressants and liposuction. And I am really excited for the Senate to join us and follow our lead in overriding the government's detail. All right, we got to run Representative Adam Matthews of Warren County area. Thanks for coming on. We'd lawyers that must stick together. As far as the state and income tax. Are you optimistic this is
going to pass or not? I am incredibly optimistic. We have a powerhouse team with Senator Huffman Center laying and Ret Lambton of putting this in the framework to get rid of the income tax by twenty thirty good and that will encourage more people to stay in Ohio and more people to move into Ohio. And you're confident that you can substitute the eight billion dollars a year through other means
and methods, and we'll see what happens. But when you gave me those numbers about the growth of Ohio state government under Republicans, is that mainly driven by medicaid by large numbers of individuals living here that didn't pay in the system. What is the main driver? Every year it goes up as seemingly five to ten percent, and you can't stop it from going up. What's the driver of that budget? We are able to find a way to balance our
budget without even looking at medicaid. If we're doing medicaid cuts because of the federal match, every cut that we do from the state budget, it's only
thirty three cents to try to offset the income tax. So our way to balance the income text doesn't mess with medicaid, doesn't mess with K twelve, but does on that type of other types of discretionary spending that the state continues to use, whether that is leasing buildings in Columbus for our departments when we have empty office space up here, or allowing sales tax exemptions on publishers for using sweepstakes rules. Those things we need to always have a fine tooth come
when we're looking through the budget because we are stewards of taxpayer dollars. But now when we have a goal of getting rid of the income tax in twenty thirty, instead of it being a nice to have, we can be mission focused on eliminating wasteful spending. You know, I saw on squat box this morning that New York City has one hundred million square feet of empty office space one hundred million square feet. I'm sure Columbus Cincinnati has lots of empty office
space. The world is changing and so many people must be incentivized to locate into Ohio stay in Ohio. And for high income Americans to not devastate income tax would be a big deal. So many of us would encourage you on this route. Representative Adam Matthews of Warren County, once again, thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Good luck in godspeed, and thank
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