Sasquatch Surrounded Our Camp in Gypsy Meadows! | Washington

You've got the privilege of talking to Curtis and David today. They are both physicians and also both friends, and they've come on the show to share some interesting Bigfoot related experiences they've had in the last few years. So, gentlemen, welcome to the show. How's it going today, and great, thanks for having us. Jeremiah, nice to meet you, get to talk to you, Jeremiah, absolutely, And just so that our listeners can associate the different voices, Curtis, how.

other's families. I think David considers considered my mom his second mom, and I considered his mom my second mom. So we're kind of brothers slash friends and have been so for so long. Once we became doctors and had young families, we kind of drifted apart, partly because our work schedule, family schedule, and I lived in a different state. But we, you know, get back together every few years.

And we were the kind of friends that, you know, we might not have seen each other for a couple of years, but when we got back together, it was like no time had we been apart. In the last few years, our careers have kind of stabilized, we were both established, our kids have grown up, and we started maybe ten years ago, getting back together every year or so to go on a guy's trip. And so our friendship has rekindled and gotten even better over the last ten years or so.

made me even much more of a skeptic. But about three and a half years ago, my wife and I had the opportunity to go to Napaul and we were hiking towards Evers base camp and our guide was a Buddhist monk and he asked us if we wanted to go see a Buddhist ceremony and just to you know, show interest in the local culture. We said yes, and we went to this ceremony and it was you know, obviously we didn't understand a single word, but it was

still very amazing. And afterwards we were drinking tea and he asked us if we wanted to see something special, and he took us over to the back of the temple and there was a box that kind of looked like a about the size of a fire extinguisher box that you might inset in the wall or something, and it was about that big, kind of just hanging on a big pole, and it was locked up, and he unlocked the case and open it up and there was a skull and a hand of a yeti, and he

gave us a little bit of the background, and you know, by his story, the Yeti had helped the original Buddhist monk there like three or four hundred years ago to build that temple, and then when the Yeddi died, they took his bones and kept it inside the temple. And the skull was probably maybe fifty percent bigger than a human skull. It still had a scalp on, it still had some short brown hair about an inch long. And

then the hand is what really caught my attention. I'm an orthopedic surgeon, so I know hand anatomy pretty well, and the hand looked just like a human hand. It did not look like an ape's hand, but it was about twice as big as the typical human hand. I couldn't touch this, it was behind glass, but I was looking at it from six inches away, and so my

interest suddenly peaked. And when day Would called in January of twenty twenty two and said, what are we going to do for our guys trip this year, I said, why don't we go see if we can find Bigfoot. So that's kind of how we got started.

marketings and things they've done. I saw the Patterson Gimblin film, you know, saw the shows like you know most everyone else, you know, finding big Foot now big Foot, that condition and things like that. I had heard of Teddy Rose Roosevelt's story that you had written in his book before he was president of the you know, the trappers. One of them got killed in the camp, you know, by a big foot and it felt footprints and things like that back in eighteen hundreds. So it's always been out

there for me. And so Curtis came over for my fiftieth birthday. You found a bunch of bigfoot stuff on my DVR and really didn't. That's when we first realized we both had a little interest, you know, with so we said, well, let's go, let's we'll find Bigfoot down in twenty two. I said, well, I'll start doing some research on it, and I went to the BFRO and found it was looking over California. After we start local,

I mean, we're definitely rookies. But most of this was just a you know, hey, we're going to get together. You have my best friend and I'm going to go backpacking and camping and spend some time together. But in the mean time, Neil, we'll say, what hey, we're going

to go look for bigwood. So bfros Side looked up in the Siskiu, you know Siski area, which is up in the north west California, same area where Bluff Creek was Willow Creek and all that, and with the history of all that, and with it showing the most A type sidings in California, they said, hey, let's book there.

And I started looking on you know, mapp being and trails and you know camp you know, interesting areas, and I always wanted to find places with you know, with water and out as far away from everybody as we could. So I found this on the Smith River. It's called a Kelsey Trail, and I said, hey, that's where we're going to go. So that's how we decided on the

first spot. And so we go driving out there, and it's probably twenty five miles east of Crescent City, and then you go six miles out on a dirt road and end up at the trail head, and then you back back in about six miles where we ended up at our base camp at that time.

didn't really find a whole lot. And then David had been looking about our third or fourth day at his maps, and he realized that that even though there was only one way in and one way out on this South Kelsey trail, that a branch of it had crossed the creek and we hadn't been up that way, and so he suggested, you know, since we hadn't really found much in the first three or four days, and we weren't

unhappy by any means. I mean, like David said, this was called a bigfoot finding trip, but really we fully expected just to go backpacking and you know, camping our best buddy. But Anyway, he found a branch of the trail had crossed the creek, and so we decided to do that about like I said, our fourth or fifth day, and that's when we started finding some interesting things.

We met him when he was coming in for one night and we talked to him and he went out, so we knew when he was there and we knew when he left. But we went up so we was crossed this creek. We're hiking probably two more miles into the wilderness direction, and we're trying to be really observant to require were you know, thing smelling, you know, walking and looking for things, and we start finding things on

that other side. When the first ding it hers found there's like twelve foot high big branch that was broken and bent down towards the trail of ninety degrees. Then they got a picture of that and he's trying to reach up and it's you know, it's really high. And now that's strange, Well, how did that happen when there's nothing on the ground that fell on it or broken. The branches above it are intact and the branches below

it are intact. And was feeling like, well, what broke that, you know, we don't know, could have been anything, but we couldn't give an answer to that what we were finding in the area. So we keep going on and we found a rather the strangest thing I found was that this tall, big tree. It was probably about you know, on the five inches diameter, Kurt, would you say, And it was.

but it was definitely this. We had a picture of the branches being wrapped around it and holding it up in the air. We didn't figure out where it came from. We didn't figure out the spunk we knew was pointed up there. There was a game trail going right by it, so that was really strange when we first found that one.

you know, unusual finding. And we kind of went deeper into the into the forest and this was all off the trail. So we took that trail, like David said, about two miles from our base camp. But then we went off onto a game trail and started finding these things. I think the next thing we found we found two trees probably I don't know, fifty yards apart that had branches laid up against them. And these branches were not from the tree itself. You could tell one of them

was like from a man's anita bush or something. It was completely red and the tree was, you know, nothing like that. And they were just leaning up against a tree, kind of like a lean to and they weren't really big enough to have anything sleep under it. But it was just kind of a weird finding and and sort of even before before going on this trip, and since we've seen other people who've shown videos of that, and I think it's even been in expedition Bigfoot. So we

found a couple of trees with leaning branches. And then our next finding, there's probably about one hundred yards away from that, and again we're off trail in the middle of the wilderness. We came upon this dwelling, this primitive

shelter that looked just like an igloo. It was probably five feet tall four feet tall, about six to eight feet wide, maybe eight feet long, kind of about the size of a three person backpacking tent, and it had an opening at one end and none of the branches had been cut by a saw or an axe, and they were all woven together. So this you took definitely took hands to make. Yeah, they weren't just leaning against something like a lean to. They were woven to give

strength and stability. So we started thinking, you know, our first thought was as doctors, we always like to rule things in and rule things out. Our first thought was, you know, someone's been staying here, some person. But then we started looking for signs of humans being there. We looked inside and there was no bedroll or anything. Whatever had slept there had slept right on the twigs and branches and pine needles right on the ground. You could

see a depression in there. And then we started looking for a fire pit, because most humans when they're camping, we're going to have a fire pit, if not for heat, at least for you know, comfort, something to watch it, companionship, whatever. And there was no fire pit. And then yeah, I think David came up with the idea, hey, there's got to be tracks around here, somewhere, and we started looking because even the cleanest humans are going to leave some

evidence that they were there. And there were no wrappers or twin or plastic or pop tops or anything. There was no trash whatsoever. And then we kind of expanded our search and we probably got forty or fifty feet away and we saw sort of circumferentsial around the whole dwelling, six or eight piles of scat. And these piles of scat looked, you know, that it was shaped like a like human scat would be, but it was probably twice the diameter and probably two to three times the volume

that a human would make. And these were placed all around the camp, maybe every thirty or forty feet, And at first we thought it was just sort of random. But someone has you know, since the adjusted to us that maybe whatever lived there was using it as a as a boundary marker. And I don't know, have you do you know who Beans Baxter is in Alaska? I

don't know if you know him. Yeah, absolutely, he happened to hear about our story and he sent me a video of some scat he found in Alaska and it looked exactly like that, and he thinks that that scat is from an Alaska Bigfoot. The other interesting thing about the scat is that there was no toilet paper and no moths, no leaves, nothing was used to to clean

whatever did the scat. So here we find this dwelling, this iglo like permanent primitive shelter with scat all around it, with no other signs of humans have ever been there. So you know, that was just a crazy finding that we found.

seeing these things, then we start seeing others. Hey, we saw that, that's what you know, That's what it was. When we sucked. You know, there was this horizontal suspended tree that you know, it was a horizontal tree that was weaved between in a tree and it was perfectly horizontal and it was like probably what'll you say, for twenty feet long, Yeah, just perfectly weave between the branch.

I go, how does something naturally get that perfectly lead between these three and just fall on, you know, in there like that, and we can figure it out. You got a picture this thing out there.

always been here some tracking and things like that. And I read a lot of Tom Brown Junior's books and learning tracking and part of the observation of nature was looking through things and looking at the open spaces between things, and so I try to do that. And I noticed this area of wetness about thirty yards off the trail as we were heading out, when I told herds, I'm always looking for track traps and things like that, and

I go, hey, there's some wet over there. Let's go over there and see what we can see and expecting like the tracks of something, you know, a lither deier or whatever's in the area doing it. So we go. But it's about thirty years there's there's bushes in between us, and we have to work our way through it. We get over there and there's probably a there's a It wasn't like a river or a creek or anything going.

There's just as wetness of area, probably about forty by fifteen feet or something like a pool size area of marsh. They have water and we give about you know, probably only three or four inches deep in there. And you get over there and we you don't have to walk through it. I mean you go ten feet to the left and we actually walked around it to get the other side, or you go ten feet to the other side and walk on dry land. We get over there and we walk around. We look in there and here

we find three footprint. There are steps of tracks of something walking. There's three of them. There's first one in the right at the edge, or the second one like about you know, a foot or two later, and then the third one it is like it's really literally four feet further in steps into right in the middle of the marshy area. And then there was not another one leaving.

It was about four feet out. So whatever had walked on there had made you know, two initial steps and then a big step and then another step out and we were pretty amazed at that. We're going, hey, these

are actual footprints. We took pictures compared to ours, and we were again rookies and didn't gray a measuring tape, but we compared our foot size to that, and it was about twice a week to you know, Curtis's foot and we were both wearing size thirteens, and so there's our shoes are about thirteen inches and it's about three inches longer. So it was pretty close to about sixteen inches you know, long and about six you know, six

inches wide, so as what we thought. And but the interesting thing is it's not we're trying to say, okay, did someone come walking through there? And I'm like, why would a human being walk through here when you can go ten feet to the right, Why would you get your boots all due like that? And we're trying to say, well, how can you make a step that's four feet and you know, the four foot step straight? And I go,

there's no, there's no slippage. There's no someone's not running, because if you run and land step in mud, you're gonna there's gonna be some slippage. Of stuff. It was just like normal, just steps in there. And the crazy thing was about that is we went back because now we're really interested and we're you know, say, hey, we found something in here, you know. And we went back the next day to go look at it again, and that third one in the middle of the marsh was

had disappear then it was gone to the picture. Well, that's the interesting So what that tells me was that whatever had walked there had there within twenty four hours of the time that we've been there. Otherwise that step would have been gone so fairly recently done. So that was pretty exciting for us.

there the next day to look at that. We found that, and we kind of just set and listened for a long time just to see what we could hear, and we really didn't hear much, but something caught my eye just across from the marsh on the other side of

the trail, probably oh four feet off the trail. Hit four feet or five feet off the trail, and it was right under the canopy of a big redwood tree, and it was it looked like a broken tree, and so I started thinking, well, you know, while we're just listening, I wondered, is this a tree break that could be a sign as to wear it across the trail. You know,

my mind's kind of thinking all sorts of things. But then I was looking at it closer from afar, and it didn't widen out at the base like a tree wood. So I then remembered some videos where people have shown things with sticks or logs or even trees being upturned and jammed into the ground. So once we were done listening, I decided to walk over to this thing and see

if it was a tree. And the other thing that caught my attention when we'd been just sitting there listening was it was under the canopy of a redwood tree, and not much grows under the canopy of a redwood tree because there's no light, the pine needles, all that stuff. And so I walked over to this thing and looked at it, and it did look like a big stick

that had been jammed into the ground. It was probably four or five inches in diame ameter and sticking up about three or three and a half foot, and the part that was sticking out was clearly broken. And so I started looking up into the redwood tree, and clearly it did not come from the redwood tree, because it

was not the same type of tree. And then we looked at other trees to see if there was a branch that had broken or a tree stump that, you know, this could be a source of and there was nothing around it. So it really looked like something that had been jammed into the ground. And so I started wiggling, and sure enough I was able to pull it out and both ends were sharp, and so something had caused this big limb or branch or even tree to break in two different places and then jammed one of it

clear into the ground. And you know, if a human had done that, they would have had to have done it when it was muddy, or the other way we could have done it is to pound on one end with a mallet or something. And the end that was sticking out of the ground was sharp. Nothing had pounded on it. So here right across from where David had found these three steps, and then the fourth step would have been onto the trail was this log, if you would, that had been jammed into the ground. And so that

was kind of another little crazy finding. That was sort of our last day, last full day there. We went back to camp. The night was pretty quiet. The next morning we had to get up and start heading home, so we both woke up about six am because we had about a three and a half hour hike out and then had a ten or twelve hour drive to

get back home. And we woke up at six and I kind of went to our little area we had set up to cook food in under the canopy of a different redwood tree, and I wanted to start some coffee, so I poured some water into a pot, and all of a sudden, a pine cone lands by one of my feet. Well, I didn't think much of it because I'm under a redwood tree. So I filled the water and put it on the little camp stove and lit

the fire. And as soon as I lit the fire, another pine cone landed by my other foot, and David is standing probably ten feet away from me, still under the tree, and we both kind of look up thinking well that's you know, coincidence. Two pine cones fall and almost hit me after, you know, within five ten seconds

of each other. Well, we still didn't see anything, you know, none of the branches were moving, We couldn't see a squirrel, there was no wind, and so I went over and set in my little camp chair, which was probably ten feet away from that, just let the water boil. And as soon as I sat down, two more pine cones

landed by my feet. So, you know, I look up and David is standing in the same place he had been, and he looks up and can't really see much, so he backs out from under the tree just to get a better look.

out in open air. There was nothing above me, and I'm looking up and all of a sudden, the pine cone lands by my foot, and then another pine cone lands by my foot, and then another one, and we had the crazy thing about these where that it was like this was all within like a minute of time. It was not like spread out over time with it. As soon as I started hitting by my foot, both of us stood up at the same you know, I was already standing, but we both turned and looked up

a ridge. Our camp was surrounded on two sides by water, and we there was a trail that came in from the side that we would walk in and we could see down there. But both of us stood up and at the same time turned and looked up this ridge that was behind our camp, almost like we were feeling that that's where it was coming from. We couldn't see anything by coming down there. As soon as we turned and looked, we had stopped. We didn't get any more

pine cones over there. We started looking at those things, and about three of them were green pine cones, and I was like, how the heck does green pine cones fall out of a tree? I mean, I think someone had to pull those off, you know, in order for that to happen, because there was dead silent, there was

no wind or anything. And looking around for squirrels, I had seen a squirrel about fifty feet down the trail in the tree, but nothing up in the tree that was above Curtis from where he was, and so at that point we were like, Okay, someone is throwing pine cones at us, and we're trying to figure this out.

What's going on. We're six miles at six thirty in the morning, and for someone to walk in six miles, they'd have to get up, but you know, started two, you know, at two in the morning to get there to throw pine cones and then leave. But we had game cameras around the interest to our camp and there's no nothing was on it. So we started were that was kind of a strange, you know, really strange event for us and stuff, and we're thinking, who's who's throwing that?

But we pack up. We were leaving that day any length, and we pack up and we started hacking out. We don't see anyone until we get about four miles back towards our truck and we ran into someone. But at that point, but they were not camping. They were hiking in at that point and they were scouty to try to look for a place for the next following weekend

that they were coming up. But uh, there was no one else around there and so we we really had no answer as something had to be pulling pine green pine cones off the trees and throwing it at us.

So although we didn't see Bigfoot or or hear any vocalizations, and again we made a rookie mistake we didn't take any recorders this time, so when we were sleep we really don't know what happened. But we were in the middle of nowhere. When we were in the wilderness, we were eight miles from the trail head, and like David said, we had had trail cams up on the trails. No one else except that one guy had come in during

the whole week and he left the next day. And then those two people we met hiking out had never even gotten back to where we were so as to our the best of our knowledge, there were no other people in the forest for most of that week.

was living there. So you know, David's estimation on how old the scat was was probably one to two weeks. So we think that something had been staying there, you know, as no longer than a week or two before, and definitely there was an indentation there, so I couldn't tell you how long something had slept there, but with six or eight piles of scat, if it's coming, it looked like one thing, one animal was inside that igloo. I guess there could have been two, but it looked like

one indentation in the ground. So however long it takes something to uh make six or eight piles of scat, I guess, gotcha.

Was it was probably probably two or three inches in, diameter and LIKE i, said probably two to three times as long as what a human would typically.

uniform they were around the. Structure, yeah you, know at FIRST i thought it was just random that that you, know whatever had woken up in the middle of the night and had to, go or in the morning and

had to go just decided to go right or. Left but someone talked about the boundary marker and that that makes more sense because they were probably, all, OH i don't, know thirty or forty feet, apart so you, know if you just took from the center of the igloo and drew a, circle they were all sort of right on that forty or so boundary of that.

the other or. Not it was SLIGHTLY i would like you can look at the. Figure probably, no you say a foot to the, right you, know the right foot was foot to the right or the left flip on that, one and then the next one was straight in line with the left. Flip, yeah and they it looked by.

shape of a human. Foot in other, words the heel was not quite as wide as the, forefoot and it definitely looked to us at least as being.

us looking at. Us we just quickly processed we were surrounded on a couple sides by a. Creek the trail was on the other. Side there was the only place those pine cones could have come from if they didn't fall out of the tree above, us and you, know clearly With david twenty feet, away they couldn't have fallen out of a. Tree we just quickly felt that after processing that, information that that's where they had to come.

From and you, know coincidence or. Not as soon as we both looked up the, ridge and this was a, ridge it was probably forty feet tall right behind our. Camp as soon as we looked, up the pine cones. Stopped so that was either coincidence or or something didn't want us seeing them throw pine cones at.

say about finding. Bigfoot SO i was a, skeptic and after this now was at least open to the eydea That, bigfoot if not being a, possibility was a.

go on another. Trip so we kind of had a. Discussion do we want to go back to the same. PLACE i, mean that's you, know it was a great place and there's something to. Habituation you, know maybe maybe going back we would see, more but we wanted to kind of go after watching, videos we wanted to kind of go somewhere. Else so we started, discussing, well maybe we'll go To, canada you, know with all the findings they have Around, nordig but you, know it's hard to

get guns up, there and you, know we wanted. Protection we weren't, hunting but we didn't want to go out in the wilderness with you, know bear around and no. Guns so that kind of ruled Out. Canada and then we thought About, alaska but you, know getting To alaska is just so hard to take up half of our

vacation just getting there and half of it getting. Back so we started looking In oregon And, washington AND i went to THE bfro Like david had For, california and found That washington had more Sightings CLASS a And CLASS b sidings in any other state in the in the in THE, US i think at the time it had

eight hundred and seventy six or something like. THAT i don't remember the exact, number but there are a lot Of CLASS a And CLASS b side and so we kind of decided to go To washington because that's you, know close To canada, obviously and Like david had said About, california we wanted to just get, away so we went

where the population wasn't. There there are a lot of reports on the western half Of washington because that's also where the most population, is you Know Mount rainier and The cascades and you know The olympics and all that.

Stuff but we wanted to get away From, seattle so we started looking on the eastern side Of, washington AND i actually found four or five YouTubers who who have had experiences in an Eastern, washington and THEN i found three of those specifically had a lot of activity Near Sullivan, lake which is about as far north and as far east you can go In washington without either going Into

canada Or. Idaho and there's this campground on the Along Sullivan creek which feeds Into Sullivan, lake and it has over about ten miles about eighteen, campsites but they, always you, know when you look on, reservations they looked pretty, full and we didn't really want to be around other, people SO i called the ranger station there and kind of spoke to one of the rangers and asked him where we could do dispersed camping kind of away from everybody,

else but still have water source and even have a bathroom if we, needed and he suggested a place Called Gypsy, Meadows so we quickly looked it up on On Google, map and when you look at the satellite, view it's probably maybe twelve miles up the creek or so From Sulvan, lake and while there are a few campgrounds maybe a mile or, so there's not a whole. Lot and in, fact just across the, creek which sort of goes on

the edge Of Gypsy meadows is The Salmo Priest. Wilderness so while we weren't in the, wilderness we were maybe one hundred yards from. It and at the end of The Sulivan creek, road maybe three or four miles up from The Gypsy, meadows the road ended in the, wilderness and we went hiking up there one day and just saw how. Remote it was so basically after finding a bunch of people on, YouTube that's where we decided to.

empty at that. Point so we went all the way to the end of the meadow as far as you get from the mid, road set up our camp at this you, know a pretty nice camp campsite, There and we got there around three in the, afternoon and, uh you, know plenty of time to set up. Camp and then something happened To curtis right. Then that made more sense, later but we didn't really didn't think much of it right.

turn the motor on while it's blowing the. Air and SO i turned this motor on and all of a, sudden from across the, creek we estimate maybe a quarter mile away so from the, wilderness we heard this owl start. Hooting and at first we, thought, well that's a little, strange you, know because it's during the. Day but the bar owl does has been known to hoot during the,

day so we really didn't think much of. It but it just it would not stop hooting UNTIL i turned off my, pump and as soon AS i, did the hooting. Stopped and we only mentioned. This it did catch our, attention but it seemed like what strangeness that followed was almost always preceded by owl, hoots so we're not saying that wasn't an owl that was hooting at. Us but later on in the next few, days owl hooting sort of preceded everything.

hours left to. Sunlight so we go walking out there and we crossed the creek over and we're start fallowing game trail and we left the main trail and you, know to get across this creek and walking along and ACTUALLY i see the, footprint Like i'll, furds hey look at, this and there're just this one. INDENTATION i, mean it wasn't quite perfectly clear. Anything we could definitely see the heel and the, wider you, know foot and we measured it because now we're left rookies and we bring measuring.

Tapes but it measured about fourteen and a half inches long with, that AND i, feel, well that's. Cool SO i, decided you, know we ought to cast this thing because we never casted anything. Before as we are doing AND i, said you, know it's not a very you, know great, print but, hey we need some experience in. Casting so we went back the next day to to cast that and decided to leave some you know, gifts, apples we

brought peanut butter. Jar we put out you, know four, there and we put a game camera up on that area and just for. Observation we never did see. Anything no one ever took any of the, gifts but that was we did go back and cast that one print at that.

was kind of. Disappointing but our second night, there some other campers had come into the other side of the meadow and they were probably about one hundred and twenty yards from, us and they were camped right up against the west side of the meadow and we were sort of on THE i guess you'd call it southeast side of the, meadow and they were about one hundred and twenty yards from. Us they came in kind of round. Dusk the first rule of bigfooting is when you get

there put out. Recorders and of, course even though we weren't, rookies we still made a. Mistake we didn't put out recorders that, night and because there was a burn, band or about nine thirty or, ten it started getting, cold and you, know we set around looking with our fleers all, around and we'd even gone for a night drive to see if any we could pick anything up On david's dash cam or on our, flares and we saw deer

and bear and all sorts of. Things but, finally around nine thirty or, ten we decided to go to, bed and just as we turned out the, lights that same, owl or at least from the same, direction kind of gave us a good night. HOOT i didn't think much of. It, AGAIN i, mean this is kind of neat here in the. Owl for whatever, reason that NIGHT i just could not get to. Sleep the first night from, TRAVEL i fell right. Asleep but this, night LIKE i, said we went to

bed about. Night i'm, thirty AND i kind of tossed and turned for a couple of, hours and FINALLY i looked at my watch AND i, said you, know ten to, twelve AND i still hadn't fallen, asleep SO i kind of closed my, eyes rolled over and tried to get to sleep. Again and about ten or fifteen minutes, later so probably just after, midnight that same owl started, hooting but this time it didn't. Stop it was almost LIKE i had that air pump, on.

Frantic besides being, louder the hoots got, quicker and LIKE i, said after four or five, hoots it would kind of stop and, listen and THEN i again had to kind of pause and make SURE i was hearing WHAT i was. Hearing the, HOOTS i, thought turned into, whoops and it was distinctly, different even though it seemed to be the same. Voice and after four or five. Hoots i'm about ready to get out out of my sleeping bag and go wake Up. David all of a sudden there's a. Response

off to our north and off to our. East something answered these hoots and, whoops and they answered him with. Hoots so as soon as the answer came back the, owl if you, would stopped. Hooting and so, YEAH i didn't really have a chance to get out a. BIT i didn't wake Up, david AND i wasn't going to wake him up for you, know for. Nothing SO i tried to get back to, sleep and about an hour LATER i was still not, asleep and the exact same pattern.

Happened this owl started hooting, again and then for the second, TIME i started hearing, whoops and this TIME i kind of thought to, myself, WELL i GUESS i really did hear. Him and again just As i'm not ready to get out of bed and wake Up, david those two owls off to the north and off to the east answered. It and as soon as they answered, it it was silent.

Again so AGAIN i didn't wake Up. David the next THING i, KNOW i had probably i'd most likely fallen asleep And david was shaking my tent getting me.

was probably in the. Teenager and they had just coming in and parked on the opposite, endo the you, know the meadow from where we were well closer to the entrance on the road, there but they were parked on the and their tent was like right on the edge

of the, forest were on that side of the. Netdow AND i swear this, thing the noise in the racket THAT i started hearing this hooting started from the you, know If i'm talking about a degree from, me had about forty five degrees to my right towards the creek, area and it. Went it was, loud and it was the, whoa whoa whoa, work whoa, whoa whoa. Work it was

mo and it was going. FAST i felt that it was going right through those guys, camp and all of a sudden in the middle is, Whoa all of a, SUDDEN i start here in this right Round la Black Way wa wow up and the cultic thing it sounded to me if you if you've heard The sierra sounds in That samurai, gibberish are. Like but these guys were like they were like angry at each, other and they were going all, right, right, right right. Right but it

was moving as this is going. Wrong and then it keeps moving probably from that forty five to the directly right by those guys. CAMP i, THOUGHT i, said that's going right through their. Camp and then it continued on across the road and up to the main road and up the. Ridge and it was only about thirty you, know probably thirty seconds of time for that time for that for that motion to happen across. There AND i got up and went and Got, Curtisi, hey did you

Hear that's what the heck was? That and he comes climbing out of the tent and we get ever flashots out and we looked down the meadow and these other guys are climbing out of their tent and what's going? On we didn't go talk to them that time, night but it was definitely a loud screaming and the only THING i could picture that rot noise was compared to

The sierra sounds with. It And curtis hadn't heard, it BUT, i you, KNOW i tried to explain it to, him and he got up the next morning and actually went and talked to the one of those.

main road and back into another. Wilderness so it probably, traveled you, know one hundred and fifty yards at least in, seconds and it was all essentially cross. Country and this WAS i looked it up. Later of, course there was a burn, band so nobody had a, fire there was no light from the, fire and it was also a waning moon that was less than a quarter of a, moon so there was no, moonlight so whatever traveled this one hundred and fifty or so yards across the creek

from the wilderness did so essentially in pitch. Black But david's. Right the next, morning you, know we all crawled back into, bed maybe by two thirty or, so we'd all been looking around for ten or fifteen. MINUTES i didn't sleep very well after. THAT i just kept waking up THINKING i heard something and didn't really or. Anything but pretty SOON i see light coming into my tent AND i, Say i'm not, Sleeping i'm just getting, up AND i

decided to walk down to the. Bathroom so it's, probably oh maybe an eighth of a mile away from our. Camp and WHEN i get down, THERE i see someone who's in the, bathroom AND i didn't know who it, was SO i kind of waited about fifty feet. AWAY i didn't want to bother them while they were going to the, bathroom AND i when the door, OPENED i realized it was the older of the two gentlemen that had pulled into camp that, evening and SO i kind of wanted to get a sense of what he had,

heard because clearly they heard. Something they were out at two o'clock in the, morning look in the flashlights all through the meadow and through the forest to, see you, know if they could find. Anything BUT i didn't want to influence what he. Said SO i, said, boy that was a crazy, night wasn't. It and he, said, yeah it. Was what do you think that? Was AND i, SAID i don't, know you, KNOW i JUST i kind of

wanted to get his. Opinion and he, said there was a pack of, them and whatever they, were they were barking while they were, running and one of them was up in the, tree or might have been up in the tree right above my. Tent and then they ran and you, know behind your camp and up the ridge and crossed the road and then it became. Silent SO i said to, him so you think they were dogs because you said they were, Barking and he, said, well not.

Really that's the only DESCRIPTION i could think. Of you, know it just sounded like a dog, barking a bunch of dogs barking at each. Other AND i, said, well can you imitate? It and so he kind of thought for a, second and he imitated the samurai sounds to, me and so THEN i said to, him, well have you ever heard of The sierra, sounds and he said, No AND i, said what do you think of? Bigfoot and he kind of had a nervous. Chuckle didn't e been saying anything, else and kind of turned and walked.

Away and, incidentally they left right after. BREAKFAST i don't know if that was their. Plan it might have, been OR i don't know if they were influenced by what they, heard but after breakfast they were. Gone but now it's like six fifteen in the. MORNING i went to the. BATHROOM i Figured david was still, asleep because WHEN i left the camp he was. Asleep Both david and this guy said it had crossed the main road sort of

one hundred yards or so behind our. Camp SO i DECIDED i was in my camp, shoes which were basically like. CROCS i wasn't gonna be able to do any cross country, stuff BUT i FIGURED i could walk up the dirt road at. Least AND i walked up about one hundred and fifty, yards AND i noticed up this ridge all the grass had been churned up by. SOMETHING i couldn't really see any big, footprints but something definitely had churned

up the grass going up this. Ridge and THEN i looked to my right and about ten feet away there was a tree break about nine feet.

Camp and WHEN i got back just into the, Meadow david was awake and he was kind of looking around to see if he could track anything from the other side from our from our camp.

anything like, that but it's definitely a game. Trail so When curtis got, back we got got our gearst you, know got our stuff, together and decided to go follow

this game. Trail we're falling Fro he goes across you, know small you, know hills and, bays and we start following it up and we end up coming up on this or little ridge and we see this perfect x of you, know two trees making AN, x and they're just sitting right and front of, us and the trees ARE i, mean it's probably about twenty feet, tall, yeah and probably.

Things there was no branches, on you, know on the tree that was cleaned. Off then we looked at the other crossbar and on the other, side and this one was actually we got pictures of. It it was actually was not broken at the, base but it was twisted and you could see the bark was rotated or twisted in order for it to fit over this other one and then to fit in between the other two trees that it went. Through AND i was, like how does that? Happen, yeah how do you twist a tree to fit? It

you know? Naturally just in the, like no way that's going to happen. Naturally and then so we're done looking at, that and we're this is a you, know we've seen other YouTube things on people their exes and things like, that and they, go this has got to be this is not natural and natural X and we got pictures of all, that and then videos is showing the twisting of that that one. Tree how does this not? Break because it had to be a great tree for it

to do. That so then we keep following the game trail and either not quincidently or, quiztling we end up walking out on the road right By curtis's mark that he had marked on the, Road and so it was like we had actually followed the track or the trails up into that. Area you never saw any like real good footprints that we. Could there was definitely disturbances in the, dirt but nothing we could you, know look and, say, hey there's a big footprint or anything like that at that.

are at least three of. Them but we found two game trails that went right behind their camp and went and ended basically at the. Creek so something LIKE i, said came from the, wilderness crossed the, creek ran behind these guys, camp and you, know whether one was in a tree above his tent or, NOT i don't, know but that's what he. Said you. KNOW i guess the other, alternative if if something is very, tall it might sound like it's in a tree above your. Tent but they.

Were their tent was right on the edge of the. Forest SO i suppose it is possible that there was one of these animals in the tree above. It but that that day not much. Happened we went for some. Hikes finally the third night we get smart enough to put out. Recorders, uh we didn't record any of that stuff from the night, before but LIKE i, said most

nights we went on on a little. Drive and before we went on this drive this, NIGHT i went and put a recorder out on The Gypsy meadows entrance sign and was essentially right in line with where these things had had. Passed AND i turned on the, recorder and then we went for a. Drive Now i've gone back and listened to all, that and while we were, gone you could hear some twigs breaking in the forest and

something walking on the. Gravel now that doesn't mean it couldn't have been the guy who, was you, know in the trailer a quarter mile from, us But i've gone back and listened to, it and at least for that hour or so while we were, driving we heard something walking around the, recorder and then about an hour after, THAT i heard four rock. Clacks it was two, clacks stopped for about two, seconds and then two more, clacks AND i, thought, well that's kind of, strange and THEN

i kept. Listening in about ten seconds after those rock, clacks you Hear david's truck driving into the, meadows, so you, know again putting human characteristics on an. Animal did it see our headlights coming from you, know a half mile, away did it hear our? Engine did it then clack to give a. WARNING i don't, know but it was

either very much coincidental or it really did. Happen so we got back from our drive and again we can't have a, fire so we went to bed pretty, early and about eleven thirty AGAIN i hear that same owl hooting across the creek, again and this time it stopped after ten or twelve. Hoots and then about five minutes after, THAT i heard a couple of footsteps on the ridge up above. Us now the twig breaking and footsteps up above my tent were PROBABLY i don't, know seventy five

feet away or, so and it was going pretty. Slowly in other, WORDS i wouldn't hear constant, walking SO i couldn't tell if it was bipedal or a. Bear but maybe ten minutes after, that something was right Outside david's.

in the in the. MEADOW i was behind this you know bush of the, trees you know where my where my tent, was but it was only ten feet away from this pulse and it was right by that. Pole it was like standing and it was, loud and it was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa you, know it sounded like a bart owt. O but then it goes, off you, know into like the curse of. It you, know it's a little, different BUT i was, like what DO i do? Now SO i started recording And i'm, like DO i get? Out?

Now do WHAT i? DO i turn on my? Light, WELL i want to scare this thing. OFF i don't know what it. IS i you, know from by this time with all the duty and things in especially What i've heard the night before with Those sierra, sounds AND i was, like, oh what DO i do? Here so then it started move it it moved across and was further. Away it was like across the meadow and was doing the same. Thing AND i didn't hear any like walking

or anything like. That BUT i didn't hear any you, know we had, heard, uh we'd heard an owl start flying, before but it had we'd heard the wing flaps at that, time but NOT i didn't hear anything like that on this. Time but it was loud and it kept, going and then we started hearing some responses farther away with, that and SO i was, like this thing is right outside my, tent whatever it, is and if this is a a book, FLIP i don't know IF i should start getting out

of leaked tent or. WHATEVER i, MEAN i was armed and things like, that but it's like what do you do in that? Situation and it, was Like david, said it was extremely.

was just crazy how loud it. Is And david's looked at it on a spectrum. Analysis he'll talk about that in a. Second but you, know we get out and look around, again we don't find. Anything we kind of go back to. Bed But i've since listened to that night on all my, recordings and during the, night once we were eventually, asleep after probably one or two, am there were two distant, howls like The ohio, howls separated by probably fifteen, minutes so there's one howl and then.

Another we heard four or five different whistles on my tape for that, night and then there was also a metal, banging almost like something hitting sheet. Metal And i've done a little bit of research on YouTube AND i found a couple of other people who were in this same campground who have heard, that AND i, was you, know

they were trying to figure out what it. Was and literally just the other DAY i started, THINKING i wonder if it's a road sign or something that something is, hitting because you, know there are signs on the main road d you, know saying turn here for gypsy, meadows or there's a sharp corner or speed limit or. Whatever but something there's a metallic bang THAT i hear at like three in the morning on my recorder and, anyway

we didn't hear any of that because we were. Asleep But david has done a spectrum analysis on that guy that whatever it, was it was you, know on the. Ground it wasn't in the, air or wasn't in a. Tree something was on the ground low making these. Noises and he's done a spectrum analysis and compared it to Bart owls.

Anything neil liked, it SO i. Didn't you, Know i'm not a another sound expert or or anything like, that but WHEN i was trying to compare it to known bard owl, sounds it was, different you, know for me where it, was BUT i don't know what could be something that loud it. Was it was very loud and really. Close aaron d didn't want to get out of the tent at That and since Then i've sent a message to is It is It Chris spencer from The Olympic. PROJECT i could be getting the name, Wrong.

associating it with bigfoot. Activity, so you, know thinking about, that AS i Said, david AND i like to analyze everything sometimes maybe way too. MUCH i, MEAN i think there are, basically you, know three. Options maybe maybe it was all owls and maybe we're. WRONG i mean that's option. One option two is is you, know at some point a bigfoot was mimicking an. Owl the third option Because david heard. WHOOPS i heard whoops two different. NIGHTS i heard.

Whoops the third option, is you, know Maybe bigfoot is using those owl hoots to try to mask their their. Whoops but you, know even if if we're completely, wrong then we're. Wrong and you, know if option one is true that there was all owls and then we're. Wrong BUT I i can't imagine, everything especially the you, know that doesn't explain that The sierra sounds That david. Found but if either they were mimicking owls or they used owls to mask their own, woops that still shows you,

know pretty good intelligence to be able to do. That but, anyway the next morning we got up and we both walked down to the bathroom and there was this little road going Into gypsy. Meadows it's PROBABLY i don't, Know i'll just, Say, david ten feet, wide eight feet, wide something like. That it's, not it's. Not it's not a two lane. Road it's a one lane. Road, basically, yeah

tenz wide or. Something but, anyway we're walking down and we looked down and in the tracks That david's one ton truck had, made all of a, sudden we see this eighteen by, six so eighteen inches long and six inches, wide wet spot that looked like a foot and there was only one of. Them so if this was a real, print and we think it, was you, know it basically took one step onto the road and was, gone and it was probably probably a little more than halfway, across

maybe two thirds away across the. Road and then we started looking around and the creek was only maybe one hundred to one hundred and fifty yards. Away and THEN i Think david noticed that right where it had crossed the main road there was another tree, break and this tree break was fairly fresh in that the upper part the leave were just starting to turn, yellow but they still had green needles on, them and the needles below

were completely. Green so so we're not saying that the tree break occurred at the same time as this, print but something left a wet eighteen inch footprint on that.

order for. It and it was pointed towards the road again like the other one we had seen back in twenty, two going towards the. Trail so that was pretty, strange you, know for. That BUT i got a picture of that wet footprint next to my shoe and it definitely is. Big.

anything bigger than a deer was. There and we, thought, oh that's kind of, neat but, well we had missed going. Out we found on the way back that, afternoon about fifty feet from those three or four little deer beds in this, grass something with two feet had stood in the grass about fifty feet away and was had apparently, been you, know looking at these deer while they were.

Sleeping david actually found both the deer beds and the the other, print and both of them were just like five feet off the, trail but something had either stood or perhaps, squatted and you could definitely, see you, know about eighteen inch impression in the grass where something had stood with one foot you, know maybe six inches away from the other foot and it was looking in the direction of those. Deer so that was kind of crazy.

Is so then mid mid after, me we're just resting in our, hammocks all of a sudden we hear inspired about thirty feet away up on the ridge behind our. Camp we hear this, whoo you, know and we look at each other and, go that is. Close so we grabbed our gear and grab my, camera grab our, gear you, know and started heading up to the ridge behind our, camp thinking we're going to see something and find. Something and it's, close AND i turned my camera. On i'm

trying To we're not, running we're walking. Slow we're trying to catch. Something and then follow this and we start following this trail and we'd see these big prints in the side of this ridge and we have pictures of these big. Prints they're all about sixteen inches. Long and

we're following this up this. Ridge when we go and as we're going, along all of a, sudden often to the other direction from where we had seen THE x. Direction across the road on the other side of the, road we hear these three distinct, whoops you, know not not hoots every, day who whoo. Whoops And i'd turn A curtis AND i, go we're not we're not. Moving we're going where we're going Because i'm not getting distracted and called in a different direction because this thing is

this direction from where we were. Going and he, agreed and we you, know we kept, going and not too long after, that my battery. Died it was, like what the?

know with. That but on the way, BACK i had noticed a wet, area you, know on the way, back SO i kept that in my mind before we are, gone AND i don't know if you had anything to say on that, perspective we had started walking through some other.

Ax we found a tepee, structure but we didn't really find much the next, day And david's actually looked at his video of that little marsh that he saw and there was nothing in the. Marsh that. Evening the next

morning was our last full day. There we both got up and decided to walk down to the bathroom about seven, am And david went into the, bathroom AND i didn't want to just stand there while he was going to the, bathroom SO i decided to walk out to the road AND i kind of walked past that guy's trailer that we talked, about who had been there the whole time we were, There and WHEN i walked, by he was inside his, trailer and in the four or five days we had been, there we had seen him pretty much

every day and waved at, him said, hi and he was walking his dog in the. Meadow he'd say hi to. Us we really didn't talk to, him but you, know we were cordial with, him and he was cordial with. Us SO i kind of walked down the main road and cut back through the. Campground and he was the only one in this dispersed camp, area and he'd been there the whole. Week and WHEN i came back up maybe two minutes, later he was outside looking around his trailer and instead of saying, hi this, time he, goes

where's your? Buddy what's he? Wearing you, Know i'm thinking to, Myself i'm a. GUY i don't know what my buddy is. Going BUT i said. Why he, goes, well was he dressed in tan from head to? Toe AND i, said, NO i don't think. So and he's still in the. Bathroom what's going? On and he, said, WELL i heard you guys walking down to the, bathroom AND i saw you walk.

in the. Morning but, anyway that's what he, expected and that's why he asked What david was, wearing and he, said from the creek to the, road he saw something big and. Tan from head To toehoh walk that whole. Distance, now the thing you have to realize is this is still a forested, area so it's kind of like you might see it for a second and then not see it for three or four, seconds and then see a glimpse of it, again and then you, know not see, it and then another, glimpse and in ten seconds it

was across the. Road so he saw something big and. Tan walk from from the wilderness area across the creek and up to the, road and you, Know david gets out of the bathroom and we all look. Around didn't really find anything at the, time and so we started talking to the guy and he, said you, Know i've been here the whole, week like you guys, have And I've i've heard some really strange. Things i've, heard you, know sounds at, night and he basically verified the samurai

chatter from the couple nights. Before he didn't really hear the, chatter but whatever had made the noise woke him up the same time That david heard the. Chatter he said he's heard wood, knocks he heard a tree get knocked, over and then he looked At david AND i and he, SAID i THINK i just Saw. Bigfoot and you, know there was no one else in the. Campground david AND

i were the only other. HUMANS i was, down you, know down the road maybe one hundred, yards And david was in the bathroom and something came out of the, wilderness locked between his trailer and the bathroom and locked up the. Road so that was pretty. Interesting and then that late, Afternoon david had an idea thinking back to what we had done In, california and it was sort of our last thing In washington that we that we checked.

wow look at. That and we go over there and we start we measure them and they're sixteen and a half inches long and the stride was forty eight to fifty two, inches you, know for the next, step and they, go this is, amazing and they're. Wide we definitely see some toes on. There it was in the wet wetness if it wasn't like deep water or, anything but they were definitely, visible and we got pictures of, those and we then we look around and we start, saying, okay

where'd they come? From and we started looking back and where it got actually more more, wet and there was actually water in this kind of creek deep type marsh. Area we could see all the water was covered with the pine beetles they had fallen on the water and it was just still water and you could see these

areas of steps where there was no pine. Needles and we followed it back and they were all about the same you, know distance of, stride and we kept falling it back and you lean about one hundred yards further in that, direction and we found a by a, tree kind of on the uphills. Slant we found this, again a sixteen and a half inch footprint with toes and. Stuff we couldn't it was on a, hill so we didn't weren't able to cast, that and we weren't able to cast the ones in the mud because it was

how wet it. Was but we took, pictures measured, it and stopped the interesting, later like herdis, SAID i went back to my video recorder and we had walked by that area the day before WHEN i was chasing that, food AND i DIDN'T i couldn't see those footprints in that same you know swap the day. Before so in retrospect that it was interesting that we were showing that something had walked up that, night you, know through that wet.

it's pretty. Rare and THEN i knew that in, orthopedics which is my, specialty we have gaate analysis, studies and SO i went to the formula used to kind of match step length to, height And david had measured forty eight to fifty two inches between these four steps through that, marsh and just using the lowest, number if you equate that to a human human stride is usually about thirty

three thirty four. Inches for a six foot tall person to have a forty eight inch, stride you have to be nine feet six inches tall if you're a. Human and then you, know to put that in, PERSPECTIVE i then, said, well is there even a nine foot tall person? Alive and the tallest person in known written history was like eight feet ten, inches so there's never in least recent history been anybody nine feet tall or. Bigger so although we never again Saw bigfoot on this trip or anything like.

That and Like david had said About, california we never smelled, anything you, know we Heard david heard samurai, sound and we found extra large footprints with toes that equate to a giant if they were a. Human so the chances of it being human are. Infinitesimal, really SO i think we're both in the in the the camp now That bigfoot was there In washington when we were.

you guys available In june to go up? Again so we're Meeting, John nathan And Sarah brown and this Will homer In. June now when we go back In, august we're just planning on going the two of us.

local guys and he's going to be. There he's had a lot of experience more down in the campground. AREA i don't believe he is actually camped up In Gypsy, meadows but he said he wanted to join, us join us and see if we can find anything that's.

incredible just the way that it. Is it's really. Woven and if you guys are cool, that LIKE i can CAN i put that in the speed?

Twist and of course if there was a, tornado the other trees around would be gone, Too SO i mean it just it is an AMAZING x. Structure there's no.

Sound after a couple of, minutes it was getting louder and the hoots became, quicker and as they became, quicker they sort of degraded into a. Whoop, so you, KNOW i guess it's almost as if it couldn't keep up the perfect. Mimicking if it was mimicking an owl and then resorted to we've all heard whoops being described or heard heard recordings of, Woops so that's sort of HOW i. Interpreted, obviously my interpretation could be.

that ran across that guy's camp that. Night you, KNOW i know that sounds, crazy BUT i am a numbers. GUY i think in, numbers and it is just almost impossible for any of that to have been a. Human and what other animal can can, speak you, Know Samurai, cheddar it's. Tuff, yeah that's that's the so we're we're pretty convinced now if you're, right.

figure out how to do. That and my one thought came, up if these guys have been around for so long and Around indian tribes and they've all you, know Other indians used to you, know tribes used to actually trade with, them or you, know they they felt that they were the keepers of the forest they, kept you, know they were like another tribe of people out. There AND i believe these are intelligent, beings AND i think they're as so intelligent as we. Are they're a lot more knowledgeable

of nature than we. Are but my thought came, as how About Native american sign? Language, yeah maybe that was passed on in their, generation if they were. POSSIBLE i think they've observed people and they can pick up on things and. Stuff but it was interesting thought for me that The Native american sign language might be something that would be passed down their generations and. Stuff So i've been trying to learn some of that in, case you, know that was you, know one of my things and.

Stuff So i'm trying to prepare for that for if that. Happens it's all going to be on how aggressive they are or how willing they're. Doing But i've been trying to learn some of that information in the case of what might be what.

have those two words that we haven't spoken. Language And david's been learning sign, language and then it'll be interesting to have you, Know Jonathan brown, there who you know lives on An indian reservation and see what his thoughts are regarding.

the right track, There. David is there a resource that you found where you know you're looking?

how you do it with. It So i've been kind of going through that trying to you, know that's been more helpful to me going and looking at that that old guy Talking clinton's hands and he speaks that he talked of the same. Time so that's been. Interesting that's.

people that that definitely does play into. It is how how the person is when they go into the field and why they're, there and do they have a positive intent or negative? Intent that play into. Us SO i think you guys are are on on the right trails there as, well Unless i'm totally off base with, that BUT i don't THINK i.

it was not. Attached so something had placed this mush in the middle of the wilderness that we were hiking on top of this.

of the. Water one was down in the water and turned and looked at, me and the other one stood up and turned and looked at me and started walking towards. ME i was about ten feet from me or, so AND i got a real good look at it And it scared the out of, me AND i didn't know WHAT i was looking. AT i remembered seeing photos of bigfoot and, stuff and it looked like a bigfoot and no, doubt AND i had nightmares for weeks after. That he must have been about eight nine feet.

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