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We'll be definitely hearing about that tonight. But how are you doing today, Logan? I'm doing great, awesome. But I'm glad that you were able to come on the show and talk about your history with Sasquatch over the years, and I'd love to actually start with that. What was it that first got you involved in this wild community and being involved with such a high level individual such as time.
It's not too complex of the story.
I think I started off really getting into bigfoot listening to old school and radio coast to coasts.
I know a lot of people may have not started.
That way, So I always really enjoyed listening to bigfoot stuff. Didn't really get too much into the documentaries or finding Bigfoot when I was a little bit younger, just because it didn't really seem to ever produce anything. So I always just loved listening to people's accounts of Bigfoot or researchers that are getting into the science.
So this side passion of mine for probably the last ten years.
And then yeah, after that, like I said, this is before I even started listening to podcasts. I think it was about twenty nineteen. I got late into the podcast
world just I don't know why. I just always listened to the Coast when I had a second to do something and I heard so I'm standing on there he was talking to at the time, I think it was George Knapp, and he was given some detailed accounts and from an outsider's look, kind of fantastical stories and ended it with a call of the if you don't believe me, I'll take you out and show you the thing. And I've never really heard anyone give that, you know, call to action. And I was like, who is this guy?
I don't understand what. I've never heard of him, I've never heard of his documentary. And I've got three kids. I don't have a lot of time.
To watch a lot of TV.
So I found a documentary watched it twice, and I was like, this is you know, if it's legitimate, it's amazing. I don't how come nobody's really talking about this? And I think a lot of people were it's just behind the ball a little bit, and a lot of people were dismissive and apprehensive and all the above. But I know after getting a note Todd, he's been around the Bigfoot world for a really.
Long time, So just behind eight balls on my side.
So I was like, if I'm going to go out and really get into this subject, I want to go out with someone that claims they had activity.
I want someone.
That's as much as an expert as they can be. Decided to reach out to him, and it took months to get like a follow up because he's a busy guy, And he finally got back to me and we chatted and the discovery of Bigfoot kind of started from there.
Fascinating. I'm just curious being a Coast to coast fan and I don't get to talk to too many of those. Usually people will bring up something else, like in Search of or Monster Quest or something like that. But did you have a favorite episode from all those years of listening to the program?
I just I don't know if I can think of a favorite.
I feel like I heard the guy from those the other Bigfoot podcasts on their West. I feel like I heard him on Coast to Coast because his story when I later heard in the like in the five Years Down the Road, I felt.
Like he came on Coast to Coast and told that.
Story already, So that one kind of rings a bell off the top of my head. But I don't know, I just always enjoyed listening to it. There wasn't any anyone.
That really stood out, but I always found it like.
So fascinating how it could be this people in the woods that we haven't really truly discovered, at least in this day and age.
We haven't absolutely, you know. I listened to a few episodes. My favorite Bigfoot episode on that show is definitely Bugs the Texas Hunter and Robert W. Morgan and he had the buried bodies down there, and allegedly Art had the map how to find them, but he lost the map in a move of his studio or home. So it's a wild interview. But listeners haven't found that before. You
can find it on YouTube, I think. But so you get introduced to Todd through Coast to Coast, which is really cool, and then you say, hey, let's go for it. Takes a few months and then you get up there in Todd's area.
Yeah. So our first time out kind of expraditialized was taught with Todd was September of twenty twenty one, so I was out there for seven days with him with another there's me Todd in another Canadian from them called Red Deer, And yeah, that was my first I talked to Todd on the phone because he likes to vet people because he wants people that are really into the subject and not just the wrong tap of people that are there not.
To have an experience. I'll just put it that way.
So he looks for the right mentality in the sense and kind of weeds out some of the people that aren't really real or because there is an expense to it, and that's where he makes some of his living is taking people out and trying to show him you can imagine week away from their family. It's not it's time, it's money and energy. So he wants the right type of person out there with him.
Yeah. Back in September twenty one, I went.
Out there and I had i'd say the first time three to four different experiences out there the very first go round, which were from my standpoint, I was amazed by it because I didn't really know what to expect. I'd gone through his footage and tried to do the human thing of debunking and trying to find as much stuff on Google that I could, and you know, all I could find.
Really was a lot of.
Conjecture and there wasn't a lot of real Okay, how did he actually.
Get this footage? There was a lot of weird.
Accusations of like robotics and these muppets, and I was more or less, you know, I don't really see that like, so I wanted to get to know thought as a person.
And then I also learned.
To see what evidence he had and go out into the woods with him and have, you know, be open minded and have an experience. And if anything, it's in the British Clubia Canada, So that was the beautiful area.
You know. To me, getting down the woods is I like to get out all of the fresh air. I love the country.
So even if it was going to produce nothing, I was going to be happy with it from my standpoint. But produce something, and it keeps producing things for me, I'd say it was a second day there.
We didn't get there till.
About nine o'clock at night and it was dark outside, and I didn't Again, I didn't know what to expect. It's a good four hours out into the mountains.
It's really is remote there.
There's no there's no cellphone coverage, there's no power, there's no anything. It's basically in a mountain range, in the space in between radium and if you want to give it like a map view between radium hot springs and like damp and there's a river that goes down the middle there and if you get a pine nuff you
can see both mountain ranges. So you know. That next day we were out and he was showing it basically started with footprints, Like I can't remember the exact timeframe, but these bigfoot had left where there's like this hill probably seventy five to one hundred yards away from his main base camp, and they had left He's yeah, I can't remember the exact link, but they were anywhere from probably sixteen inches eighteen inches.
Long footprints that were going up the.
Basically it's a bounce back moss going up this hill. So eventually those footprints went away, but they were pretty interesting to look at. From the first time or that had never been and actually seen a big foot footprint.
That was pretty convincing. So they led him up this hill.
Like I said, I can't remember the exact time frame, six months to a year and somewhere in there.
So he had started.
To put in his gifting apples up on this kind of this elevated hill and would climb this tree, put them about anywhere from twelve to fifteen feet there, anywhere from four apples to fifteen.
Apples at a time.
Right, So he was showing in Cesaria, and I got on his shoulders and talked about six foot three and he's a strong guy who he prides himself and trying to be fit. So I got on his shoulders and put all these apples up, and he was just showing the lay of the land, and he said, well, I usually will make a call when.
I put the apple gifting out, and I have.
He was going through his theories about these calls, and he was saying he didn't really think they're.
Like wood knocks.
He thought they were more of a rock knock because he just didn't see how you could produce such a large sound with wood on wood and some of his stuff has remained true, and some of his opinions have changed. It could be a rock knock from his opinion now, or it could be them making the sound of their mind like a large click with their tongue. Or I wouldn't really know how they did it. But that's a
secondary stance that I think he takes now. But so he basically he asked Craig, the guy I was with, to pick up a rock and hit this gifting tree with it. And so he said, hit it as hard as you can. It's going to hurt your hand, it'll
make a large sound, and we'll wait for a response. Right, So Craig picks up the rock about the side of his hand because it's the Rocky Mountain, so there's just some random rocks laying here and there, and he picked it up and hits it, and we're sitting there waiting for about thirty to forty seconds and we get this huge response back. And it's about eleven somewhere between eleven eleven thirty am in the morning mountain time. And we make a response and the response to get back is
like four to five times louder. If I could have recorded it, I could have told you, it was just so booming, like I couldn't understand how something could make such a large sound, and I could tell directionally which way it came from. It was northwest of the main campsite, on the other side of his camping trailer, and it was just like, what, seriously, we're already getting interactions here.
That was amazing with it, To be honest, posts.
That we did go and try to, like whenever we hear sounds, and whenever he hears sounds, he tried to look for evidence of that sound. We waited a little bit because we wanted to give him space. So we did end up going and finding tracks that were going up the other side of this other ridge where that sound came from.
And then there was a rock that was dislodged from this kind of ridge. I don't know that's what.
Made it sound, but you could clearly see like a rock that was taken on the ground and placed about fifteen feet higher, and it looked you can tell learning out in the woods that what looks fresh and what doesn't. It looked fairly recent, so it was pretty impressive to find that.
I think we did a.
Video reenactment on his channels for it and this would have been like a.
One.
But yeah, that was like the first moment I was like, maybe maybe this is all legitimate. I didn't really know Todd that well, but he was. All the stuff you had shown me was really impressing me. And if you just have to go out there that there's not people running out in the woods making sounds there, it's just so remote and it's not feasible. It's like one hundred percent not feasible for him to have anyone out there.
So that's what started it going there. But it was pretty memorable having that first experience.
Yeah, that is quite a way to start out, and from what I've heard it is it's pretty hard to get to that area, Like it takes a pretty extended period of time to get just to the research area.
Yeah, it takes about somewhere.
It'sween three and a half four hours from what you fly into, which is Calgary, Alberta. So it's still a distance to travel there and actually get there, and it's pretty much way that country.
There's nobody there, gotcha probably going out on the equivalent of forest service roads at the end stuff like that.
Yeah, there's an old for service road there's some old forestry trails that we take back there that haven't been really logged in probably eighty years, so you can still see some of the trails they made, but you can tell that they haven't been there for seventy five eighty years.
They're real old, and it's right on the cut line of a national forest out there, so you can tell where the old growth force starts in the new growth where they cut eighty years ago starts, because it just looks completely different when you pass that imaginary line.
You mentioned gifting that apples, and those have been seen in the documentary as well. Has he ever used anything belt besides apples in a gifting situation.
I think he's tried other types of fruit, and I think one of the extraditioners actually brought like a watermelon out there at one point like that, I just put it out there on a stump. The problem with it is that's a very country, So anything you put out there that can go bad or has a potential for a bear to get it or search it out big.
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It's kind of it's a little dangerous, a little irresponsible.
So he really likes apples just because they stayed good for a long time out there, and he hasn't really had a lot of success in talking with him with other types of fruit. I think put out power bars with survigger Man. I think that was moregra Man's doing than his. But I think his gift to choice is apple's just because of the how long they say them. It's easy to go out and replace them. If a burder squirrel gets to them, just pull them down sticking them up.
Sure you mentioned that there are also bears in the area. What other predators do you guys have to be aware of while you're out in this remote area in addition potentially to Bigfoot, it's.
Brown bears, black bears, mountain lions, wolves, those are the main ones.
Really.
It's the bears and the mountain lions that are the ones that we're more wary of, as most of the bears out there very much while like they don't see a lot of humans, those are the ones that are We try to stay away.
And make not a lot of scent.
And the way he cooks meals is very smart as far as everything is cre made and you burned it all on the fire.
He's very cognizant of.
Being safe and having people safe out there, because he's been through a couple of different bears that have come up on him and tad to take care of himself, so he he's very cognizant of that. And there are just map mions out there. The wolves are a little less dangerous just because most wolves won't they're not really interested in humans unless you try to feed them, and though that's not a good idea because then they will kill you. So he's a bit of a wilderness expert tracker.
He's been out there and done it all for the last twenty years and he's really integrated into a bunch of different Indian tribes that he's worked with, and like his mentor was an Indian elder that taught him a whole lot of stuff about a whole lot of different things. So he takes a lot of that knowledge base and
tries to teach some of it. And he's real into ecology and the plants and the things that grow there and what the bears would eat and where they'd go, and you know, it's all about basically just how the animals move out there the seasons, and he uses that in the aspect of the sense of bigfoot as well, what they would eat, what they would track, what they would consume, like, what kind of prey they would do.
As far as honestly not being from.
The area, it's really informative and good to learn about a bunch of that stuff, just because you don't really think through that all when you're arn't chair quarterback and bigfoot, right, So he cuts a lot of effort into it.
Absolutely, there's a question that just came to mind. You have those shots in Todd's documentary that everyone thinks about, the shots where you see the face of the Sasquatch a few times, right, And I myself have had an interview where gentlemen from Oregon, from the Lamit National Forest area actually he described what he saw as being a face that looked very similar to one of those faces
that Todd had in his documentary. Is that Do you guys ever get contacts as well from people that have watched your documentary saying I've also seen something that looks similar to that or is it kind of few and far between.
I'm just now getting people reach out to me just because I'm getting more involved.
But Todd definitely.
Has had people reach out to him and say they've actually seen some of those bigfoot, or they've seen similar ones that look very similar as far as facial features.
There's a couple of people that reached out to him.
I've actually seen some of the big foot that he's had in this documentary and like gave descriptions that unless you have seen this bigfoot, that you wouldn't know otherwise. Or he's gone into some details about scarring and some other scars that some of these bigfoot have on them. And when people call him and say, hey, I think I saw.
Your big foot, did it have this on its body?
And that's post validation for him that they probably did see the same one that he did. So he has stories like that, and I have no reason not to believe him because to me, time hasn't been nothing but authentic. And I've spent about, I think un total, about thirty five days out with him in the woods, so I've gotten to know him and his family and how he operates, and how his belief system and in his integrity and honestly, and.
I would recommend anyone go out with him just so you can.
Prove it to yourself that he didn't hoax that footage, because from my perspective, there is absolutely no way he could. He just doesn't have the skill sets, he doesn't have the will, and he's too and he really does have a.
Lot of integrity when it comes to this. There's just no way he can he could have faked any of that footage.
When you really start digging finding out his life and what his background is.
And how much effort it would be to.
Hook something like that, it's just not his willhouse to do.
And that's just my opinion my own investigation. I'm not trying to persuade people.
I'm trying to tell people to do their own research and try to look into it on their own, because that was really what I was trying to do.
And that's the conclusion I've come to absolutely.
And since we are on the topic, there is a just an interesting question I have, Why do you think that I've been in this topic for about five years, why is the topic of Todd and his work such a polarizing It's so polarizing to this community. It feels like if you're pro Tod or anti Todd, it just it feels like it's almost like a Civil war type thing.
From my perspective on what I know of some of the I don't know what you want to call them, top Peak and the BFRO.
I think some of it is a bit of jealousy, to be fair. I think there's.
It's like a competition to them, and they want to be the best, and they want to have all the data and they want to say that they're checking all the boxes off. I think a lot of the people are really they're just there for a bit of the fame, right, And I think there's a lot of good people out
there too that really want the discovery to happen. But at the same time, they don't want Todd to be the one that did the discovery, just because he could be a big personality and he's real straightforward with his findings and like what he's seen, and honestly, he's like, my hat's off to him because what he did to get a lot of that footage, like probably ninety nine percent of the people in the world would never do.
They'd never go out into the wildness by themselves for weeks at a time and just have that level of fear and them.
I think that's why some of it is. It's so convincing to me.
And then a lot of these a lot of these researchers, they want to go out on a Saturday and sit around the campfire and have a beer and want they want their foot to come to them, but that doesn't always work.
So that's that's just a small perspective.
I think there's lots of other reasons, but other than the fact that they just don't really want to dig into the evidence fully. They want to make snap judgments and say that doesn't look real to me, but they don't want to try to prove how it's not real or how can you recreate it. I've never seen anyone recreate any of his footage in any form or fashion, really, like, no one's done it. If it's so fake, you really
start thinking about stuff and it doesn't add up. And I think vindication usually comes later in life with Bob Geddland. I think most people, I'd say seventy five percent of the people probably now believe that his footage is real, and thirty years ago was probably fifteen twenty percent, right, So I think it just takes time.
That is very interesting myself personally, I've talked to people on both sides there are interesting arguments on either side. I've never talked to Todd directly or at all, so until maybe I get that chance, I will be neutral on it, as I'd like to talk to people directly. You also have other times that you've had interactions. Were there times when you were up in that area where you believe you got maybe a little bit closer to a bigfoot or things got maybe more a bit intense in the interactions.
Yeah, for sure. I'm didn't think of three, because I've been out there with them. I call it four and a half.
Times because just one of those times I was really out there just to put equipment up and do some architectural work, but just the touch on it somewhat lightly like that first expedition we did. Like one of the
experiences I had. As we did, we went up this north logging trail about a mile in the dark, and again, these are things that most people don't do, and the guy that we were with was a bit of adrenaline junkie, so he was like, Man, let's go in the woods at night, and let's wear some headlamps and let's ride these We had these e bikes and we rode these e bikes about a mile up this road in almost ten thirty at night, mountain time, and the wildlife they
are not used to silent bikes, and it's a little worrisome that we're going to roll up on something and I know what we are, but we ended up stopping at this kind of this opening I would call it where there's a tree line and that opens up.
And you can see the mountains and you can see another ridge. It's ridge line.
And Todd did a call from the left side and to the right side and we stood waited it for about sixty seconds to see if we get a response, back and response, but we got back. Was it sounded some giant being like pushing this tree over and throwing it. It was so loud, and it sounded half.
A mile away.
And I just remember that moment and thought to myself, Oh my god, there's nobody out here. Why would and there's no wind, there's no anything. Why would anyone in the right mind think that sound came from a human in the middle of these mountain woods. Because it was just crazy to me. And it was further vindication on that first one. But we we it's fortuitous, but we think we found that tree that this bigfoot went up, and I don't know if it was one or two,
but it wasn't even a dead tree. It's probably a hall somewhere between forty and fifty foot tree that and you can see footprints going up this hillside and something going up and ripping this tree about twelve to fifteen feet from the top and throwing it through another one. And you can see the evidence all over the ground, and you could tell that this tree actually flew through another tree. There's limbs of hanging everywhere, and then you could see it on the ground.
And so there was just.
All this really i'd call it circumstantial damning evidence that kind of pointed us to That was the response we got back of.
Hey, you're going to make sounds. We're going to make bigger sounds.
So that was Honestly, I know, I can't prove that, but the evidence was all there.
To me, I can. I'm ninety eight percent sure that's what it was.
There's always a room for something else, but I'm ninety eight percent sure that's what happened, right, So that was the bigger thing that happened. But later on, in another expedition, I had a few instances to where I'd say the major other two was one we me and two other expeditioners were following a sound that was going towards more of the old growth forest, and I kept making sounds, quick sounds with my tongue because I can't really whistle.
I don't really.
Pride myself and whistling, and I can never been able to do it well. So I just pok my tongue a lot, right, because that, to me, that's my form of communication. And I just kept getting these responses back from It sounded like a tree just knocking. Like I'd do it twice, it would do it twice. I'd do it three times. It would do it three times. And the guys that I was with, they were two brothers, and they would whistle and then they'd get like a
single response back. And we followed this sound all the way to this I call it like a Grandpa tree out in this old growth forest.
It's probably two.
To three feet in diameter and one hundred feet tall.
The branches didn't really start until about sixty seventy feet up, so it's just this humongous tree and there was nothing rubbing against it, and actually got I made a kind of a custom bodycam for the sex condition because I wanted to get more footage, and actually did get a lot of this back and forth sound on my bodycam, but the body cam was really meant for visual more than audio, so you can't really you can hear it, but it's not as good as it is in real life.
But we followed this tree and it just kept knocking at us. And I'm sitting below this tree with these other guys and it's got to be some kind of weird not in this tree somewhere at the hall, and it's like expanding and making this weird sound, and we're debating it and trying to go through justification.
And while we're.
Blow this tree, it just would we would be talking, it would just go boom and knocked at us right, and.
I'm just like, I don't understand this.
I've never heard a tree knock at me before. And there was we started the area while we're hearing this, and there some juvenile tracks around the area. There was one big fifteen inch track that was pretty close to that tree.
And it was four o'clock in the afternoon.
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It was about eighty somewhere between probably.
Eighty to eighty five degrees because it was in July and we're just sitting there.
What do we do? Because Todd had actually left to go get gas because he'd used to get gas so we could go.
Up to this northern section about thirty miles north, and he didn't get gas in the way up there because there was a hale kind of storm and it disoriented.
Us a little bit. It actually left just to go get.
Gas in the closest gas station there is about sixty miles. So we were exploring our own and he wasn't there, and we're like, man, I don't know, I don't know what to do with this.
He said, under this tree.
I was to the point where I was like, I wish I could climb this tree, but there's just no way. So we ended up leaving, and as we're leaving, but knocked a final knock at us and we didn't hear it again, and we said, okay, we'll look up. Maybe that's some weird animal. Maybe that's the weird tree temperature. Maybe it's like the other guy said his name was Dan. Maybe it was the tree expanding and making the weird sound.
I really don't know. So with Todd, it ends up we getting back and I found another track on the way out in a kind.
Of a different area, and I was telling him about this experience scenes what do you guys, do you think trees knock at you? And he was going through the motions with us, There's no way, I've never I've been in the woods for twenty thirty years and the tree has never knocked at me continuously and made sounds at me. And his standpoint like we treed or he said we treated ay probably had more of a younger sasquatch, or
he was there just messing with us. He didn't really treat it like he was just sitting up there messing with us. And the other guys are with They were trying to do there because we had eventually we got starlink out there, so they were trying to get back to in reach of this internet service that we have out there and do some research and see if they could find that reason for it. And they couldn't find
a reason. They trust me, they did plenty of searches trying to figure it out, and we just came to the conclusion that there were something up that tree that we just couldn't see, and it was knocking at us and just messing with us.
Hindsight's twenty twenty. I wish I would have stayed under there and done more with it.
But when you think back at it, it's pretty amazing, Like I do have evidence of it, and I do have the footprint pictures, and I do have the sound pictures from it.
So that was a big ordeal.
And then the next thing, really i'd say, it's one of those things that you can't really get out of your head, and that kind of changes changes you a bit going through it.
So this was in the same expedition.
I think it was July twenty twenty three, so I the whole time I was out there, I just wanted to get off by myself and spend a night in the woods on my own to see if I could have some decent better interaction. Maybe being more secluded would draw up some more just be more open to me. And every time I tried to get out and do that, like it was like rain that night, or I'd have some reason not to do it.
So it's annoying me.
So it's like, okay, Fie I'm just gonna seep outside pretty close to the.
Campfire and just be out there alone. So that's what I did.
I couldn't tell you what day of the week it is, off top of my head, but I stayed out there. It wasn't a rainy night. It was a starry night. Decent weather. It it gets out there at night, but it wasn't horrible. It's probably in the fifties in the middle of the summer. So I ended up staying out there. And it was probably one point thirty and the guy was whistling dan. He wanted to just keep me companies for as long as he for as long as he could, and he liked.
The little wood and he ended.
Up falling asleep in the chair, just the camping chair, about five feet from me.
And I wasn't sleeping by the.
Fire, and I was standing out of it all night, and I noticed that he was there still, and I looked at my phone and it was probably about three forty five, and I was like, he didn't even realize, is he he fell asleep out here? That was one I didn't want to bother him, so I just let him be. And then about four point thirty he gets up. I see him get up. He throws a log on the fire, he says good night and goes inside.
Later on, he tells me.
That the reason he got up, and this wasn't evident to me at the time, was he was hearing sounds behind him and it was freaking him out right. So I was like, thanks for telling me.
Right.
So I'm sitting there by the fires for thirty and I'm like, okay, I'm going to.
Try to get some sleep. And it's really hard to sleep out there.
It's pitch black and you really only see the light of the fire. Everything around you is pitch black within ten feet of the fire, and there's no sound out there. It's so eerie. There's no bug sounds, no sounds at all. It's just dead quiet. And so I don't know what time the sun comes up because I'm not used to mountain time. I used the Central time as I'm from Texas. And I'm sitting there and i don't know what time it is. But I crack my eyes open and I can see some blue haze and I can tell it's
about to be dawn. And I later on figure out that the sun comes out pretty early in the Mountain time in July. There, it's about five fifteen. It comes up in the morning, so I didn't know that at a time I was giving you a point of reference. But I'm sitting there and it's getting blue, and I'm
around the fire. It it's like this picture of being like a doughnut around it where it's a hill on one side a little bit where I'm sleeping towards with my back to this little hill almost like a ditch, and I'm laying on my right side looking at the fire, and I'm like, Okay, the.
Sun's coming up. Probably nothing's going to happen.
I can at least sleep for two or three hours and get some wraps. And as I'm saying that in my head and I'm rolling over, I just put my hands on my chest and roll over to my left where I'm at an angle on this doughnut.
Hill how I describe it.
And all I hear is two footfalls jump backwards.
From my perspective.
It was two feet two three feet from my head and it jumped backwards because I scared it because I didn't know it was going to move, And just say, just here, two feet land on the ground beside me, and I'm in my head. My heart's beating super fast, and I'm at a total disadvantage.
And I can't really turn that.
Direction without super obvious because I'm planted, and I'm trying to work up the courage to open my left eye because my right eyes are cocked open. But I unless you're in that moment, you don't really know what you're going to do because something's walking beside you and it's not supposed to be there, and you don't really know because you've never seen it or heard it before, like how they're going to react or if they see you noticing that you're awake, like what are they going to do?
So I'm running through those scenarios in my head, and so I finally I get my heart rate to go down a little bit, and I'm like, day, I'm just going to make sure that's what I heard. Probably about a minute to a half, I get my heart rate down and I'm like, I'm just gonna listen, close my eyes and act like I'm asleep, and I just I slowly hear, in my opinion, this bigfoot walking like right foot, left foot around my head, and I'm just like, oh man,
it is here. I'm not dreaming, and I'm trying to get the because this is what I'm there for, to see this, to look in that direction. But at the same time, it's just so daunting because you're, like I said, You're just said, you're on your back.
I don't have a weapon. Really, I'm going to disadvantage if I look.
If I turn quickly and look and it's this thing looking at me, is they gonna get mad?
Is it gonna kick me?
Like I'm just trying to run through the scenarios the whole time and trying to slow my heart rate.
And I finally get the courage. I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna.
Roll towards the fire and then do a quick look over my shoulder, and I like, I'm still sleep, so it's not it can have some like indication that I'm awake. So that's why I did. I rolled and look over my shoulder, and of course there's nothing there, Like it's completely gone. I have no idea where it went. Like it came in like a ninja, and the only reason I heard it was because I didn't know it was going to turn.
And it left like a ninja. And it didn't leave.
Anything in the substrate around me whatsoever. But I can still hear those footsteps.
Walking around me.
And I know for one fact that there was no one else out there but me and in my opinion, this bigfoot, because everyone else was in the trailer, and I could hear them snoring, because they all.
Snore like a symphony in there. So that was the start.
Of why I started to put my project together, because if we actually did have cameras in base camp, and we did have more technology out there, I think we would have definitely caught this big foot staring at me sleeping.
That's an incredible experience to live through. You weren't in the tent. You were out in the open, correct, correct.
I just had a sleeping bag on a pillow below me. That was it.
Oh man, wow, I can't imagine living through that. And it's just it's one of those weird things where no footprints as well, but a stranger things have happened that I've had told to me and that I've read in different resources as well. After you lived through that, did that set you like you were full steam ahead or were you a little bit more apprehensive of everything going on? Having lived through that?
It just drove me further, like into the subject, because you know, I still hadn't seen one, and I still want to. Even though that one was a very I think I got what I needed in that one, and I still really want to see that that live bigfoot, have that have the sasquatch come up on me and have more of a visual. So it just kept drove me forward, and Todd started talking to me about maybe we should put cameras in base camp, like maybe they
do come around here like all the time. I know there's a stigma around cameras and everything else, but from his perspective, he's been out there at that site for this point.
It's probably been about fifteen years.
So if they don't really trust them by now, then then they're never going to trust him. So he was like, let's just do it and see what kind of like activity we get. Let's see what we can draw up. Let's see if the stigma is correct or incorrect. Because
you hear nothing about, oh, they don't like cameras. They don't like cameras, but most people don't have this habituation area that they're in either, And I think a lot of people put up cameras and these trailcan cameras trying to be deceptive and like really sneaky, and I think I don't.
I can say that if I was.
A big Foot and someone was trying to be sneaky and deceptive, yeah, I probably wouldn't care for it much either. But so that's my thought to put these cameras up with the intent of, Hey, we're trying to further the discovery, not be like super sneaky with it. Like the ones we put up are super obvious.
They're like clearly visible. They're sitting there.
They actually there's two different angles and if they really wanted to, I gave them away to not be on camera.
Right, It's not this triangulation of cameras.
It's two cameras, one going south, one kind of going north, and they could actually get behind them if they wanted to, right. So that was my thought is to go in that direction. Though kind of approached and said maybe we should, and I said, let me try to figure that out, because I'd like to put some contribution to this and try
to do this. Like this was around November. I started putting the idea together, Hey, maybe we should really think this through and bring this to everyone that really wants to see his area and wants to get into the research and wants to possibly see a Bigfoot on camera, Like, how can I actually get this to be like something that's better than just just closed loop system that only
me and Todd can see. I want to bring it to everyone, so everyone that's really into the subject can have the opportunity to go out into the woods and see this area and just discover Bigfoot for.
Themselves in a sense. Right, So that was my thought.
And I can get into more of this project that I've been working on since last November and all that if you want me to.
Yeah, I would love that, because it is an incredible project. You're really if you think about your the engineer that came up with the project, but also developer that put it all together.
Correct, Yeah, I'm like, I'd say ninety seven percent into it, and todds Okay, let's say ninety ninety five percent because I've been leaning on him a bit for some of the power. But I basically designed it all and built it all and developed the app and put the whole system together and put all the right equipment together.
And it's been a level it's been a Journey of Love. How's that?
Absolutely? I think it would be good to start with, what's elevator pitch for this project that you have set up, because it's a pretty incredible project that you set up there.
Yeah, so it's i'd say elevator pitches. It's the end all game is I'd love for it to be like never ending twenty four by seven.
Right.
So, I've been having some problems with power systems to where it's been up and down, and I've had some.
Forest fires, so some things are a little bit out of my control. But it's I basically have two really high.
End their four K cameras, their night vision. There these huge tilt pan zoom cameras that are ones actually about fifteen feet up a tree, the other ones on the
side of one of the campers out there. But it's the ability to watch that live seed and from two different feeds whenever you want to just log in and look, especially when have expeditions out there, there seems to be a lot more activity and like post expedition, and I really want to see what happened out there when the one's there, right, because you don't really know, I don't know what's going on we've never really recorded, and that's what I've been doing is building out everything that would
need to be there to continuously record the entire environment off those two feeds, and then how to save those terabytes and data that get propagated every month, like how to retrieve it, how to analyze it.
How to look at the data, how to look at the sound waves, how.
To look at the basically the movement any amplitude over one thousand, That's where I'm starting.
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.
So inside the app itself, you have the ability to watch and then if you actually think or think you see something or think you hear something, you can hit a button and basically say what time it is based on.
The camera time and what do you see and submit it and it.
Goes to a real time database and all that gets collected and reviewed and eventually it's all going to be very much.
I call it just because I'm an engineer, like event driven architecture, to where everything is as close to real.
Time as possible, to where let's say we're having activity out there, someone that has this app would basically get a notification saying, hey, someone just sell a big foot five minutes ago, or we're hearing noise, we're hearing how we tree break, you know, something to where people could actually look in live, and the more eyes on it the better from my standpoint, because I want people to collaborate all the video stuff that people report and all
the stuff that I find. I'm trying to build this section inside the application to where I have been uploading videos to it, but eventually it'll just be an app and not outside. But I'm trying to do a little bit of marketing and just put it on Facebook and Instagram and a little bit of YouTube. But eventually it would all be this user based community that's doing reportings and sightings. And I really wanted to This is like
the proof of concept. I'd really love for it to grow and to build this system and other locations and work with other researchers and have this camera I'd call it data analysis points, and different areas and different locations in North America wherever we can collaborate with people and build this network out to where you could watch I don't know, from anywhere from ten to thirty different feeds at once, and so I'm that's my thought and that's
where I'm starting with these two, and I'm building the architecture on the back end to where it's not just userly reported like I'm trying to be new age with it and tech savvy with it, to where it I'm building automation around sounds and movement to where it basically sits it all out there for us, the people that are.
Going to be involved in the app, and that where you when it.
Reports like amplitude up risings and movements, even if it's like a deer or or an owl, right, because you can't really know until you watch it.
That's the hard part.
That's why we need collaboration because there's only so many hours a day that I have to review three point five tearby to footage every month. So that's my thought. I'm building that out right now. It's a little bit manual automation, but I have found a whole lot of interesting things that have happened, the interesting sounds. It's just interesting movements. I can say that, and then it's a labor of love. Because I'm pretty much the only developer
on this. I'm going to eventually have it to where it's where you can hit a button and request certain footage and just review it like whenever you want to.
It'll give you a hard link and you can go review it.
But that's the important thing to me is that there's before footage, there's after footage. There's so much analysis you can do that I haven't found any research. You're really trying to attack it in that sense. Well, like I said, a lot of the hard part is trying to get the power because I'm a reliability is there and it makes me mad when the power goes down because of
solar is not good enough. Right now, we're doing a solar and we just got this really nice remote generator in that we can turn on remotely from twelve hundred miles away.
So we're really trying.
To think outside the box on some of this power stuff and get it to where it's really reliable. It's just a it's a work in progress, but yeah, that's it.
In a nutshell.
It's you know, you make an account and you do it if you don't like it. I built it all with Apple and Google. It's called Discovering Bigfoot, so it's on both of those platforms and you know, there's just a subscription fee and I can tell you, the fee is nowhere near what it costs me to actually build this all out.
Really, it's just to.
Recover the monthly costs because it does cost a lot monthly to run all this architecture. The whole thing is power as far as the Internet goes by starlink, and we really had to up to bendwidth just to take the upload speed.
So the Starling itself is really pricing, to be honest.
Even I know a lot of people use it now, but we're doing like the highest here bandwidth possible so I can have the footage uploaded.
It's such a fascinating project, and I think that no matter what side you're on with what's going on up there in twenty thirty years, when we look back to this time period, people are going to say it's one of the most just craziest projects that were done regarding Bigfoot in that time period of the twenty twenties. Right. It's just it's not just like you're having a cellular gamecam, but you're integrating an app, so you're integrating people being able to access it, and it's just it is it's
so cool. I used to be a software engineer as well, so I get the way you think a little bit, at least I like to think so I probably do. Have you ever thought of is it written down? How you set this up? Is the software, all that good stuff available in a get hub repository anywhere? Have you thought of that? Is it even a thing where you know you may not want to have it all out there for other people to utilize.
I think eventually I'll make it just open source. Yeah.
I do use get lab to do all the code repo. It's a private get lab, but I do use get glab.
To do all the coding.
And then at the architecture on the back end, it is proprietary a little bit because I didn't want to use you can think of it as a cloud DVR, but not built of DVR software, because I looked into a lot of that stuff and it just I didn't want to mess with it because it looked like a paint in my butt, Like I wanted to do it simplistic, and I wanted to use cloud providers to do all
the A lot of the back end architecture. Right, I do have it all diagrammed out, and I have it written out, and I'm hoping that if I get by a bus. Someone could read it all and take over. I know it might take a little bit to back engineer some stuff that's not working, but I'm hoping something happened to me someone could.
Take over it.
I do have a that twin brother that is in the same kind of field as me, so I'm sure he could catch on and figure it out.
But it's not this meta thing or I'm not a super smart Google engineer.
I'm just the regular guy that has an engineering background and I really enjoy learning new things and enjoy automation and Python and writing server lists, applications and votions and observability. I do a lot of observability when it comes to my job and building reliable things to actually measure. So it just works handed him with a big foot, in my opinion, because we're trying to measure how to find this being and we need data and this is like step one.
Let's collect data, right.
I think there's a lot of data out there, but most people are keeping it to themselves or it may be not as complicated as what I'm sharing to do, but it's really it's for people, right. I want people to get involved and help the discovery and people that can't get out in the woods and they're really into the topic.
This is like step one towards that in my opinion.
So I'm open to criticism and collaboration, and they do this without doing it this way or doing it this way. Like I'm always listening to the podcast trying to figure out like a good way to interact and put something up. I'm always trying to find a new in that would maybe draw then in, like a puzzle or the color blue or tennis balls. Every time I go out there, I do something different. It's fun to me and I
really enjoy doing it. And I'm really hoping that you know, some guy named John do Bill logs into this app he's Bigfoot, records.
It and they'll name it after Bill, right, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I'm not about the credit. I just wanted discovery.
Oh I'm right there with you, dude. Have you thought of maybe And this is easier said than done, but integrating AI in a way so that there doesn't have to be an actual human individual that sees something on camera, but there could just be a notification, hey, we saw something that is really big and someone should probably take a look at it.
So I have a lot.
Of like land of service functions that I wrote that processes the video now, and this is within the last thirty days that I try to do some of this, and just because it's been such a hard time to try to parse.
Through the data to split it that way.
So it's basically using like computer vision and a lot of data science tool like Python modules.
So it's like a mini it's not quite AI, like I haven't taught.
A model to learn. It's not like an LLM or anything, but it's there's other services I could pump it into that are out there, that are available that I could actually do that. I'm just trying to be a little bit accustomed with them at first because what I've built already, it already finds all the amplitudes, it finds some Eventually I'm going to have it to where it actually finds certain types of sound waves, and it already I have some.
I posted some stuff to Reddit where I said, using tech to find Bigfoot, and I have this The square boxes show up on the screen that shows this owl come into picture and fly by, and it shows where it's moving before it goes there. So it's I have that in the background it's just not fully automated, like what you're saying.
So that's why I'm trying to get to that.
But at the same time, I'm one person, and at the same time, I pay a lot for the softwares that are out there that are somewhat open source and whatnot, and I could try to build some of that modeling on my own.
It just takes time.
So I'm open to people that are really good engineers that would want to help do some of it, because the more the merrier, from my opinion, like if people are really good at doing some of the AI stuff, because it's I'm still in my infancy on some of some of those aspects.
So what I'm hearing is if listeners are software developers or guys that are involved with crazy AI stuff, to reach out to Logan. We'll probably get that info at the end of the episode, and maybe there could be a whole little hackathon that goes on and really get this snail down. Who knows.
I can give you end points that points to ours the footage, and you can help me to do some development work on how to get it more suage than really crisp, because when the trees blow hard that could. You really have to train it where you know there's a wind up there sometimes and you'll see the trees moving left to right and that kind of gives a false positive. So you really have to train it for certain movements, and it's possible.
It's not unachievable. It just takes time.
It's fascinating. That's my dream that someday your system is running in Area X, or somewhere nearby in southeast Oklahoma, or in northern California or organ just all over the place, and it's the thing that really locks it in. And I know there's probably other stuff to get done before that, but man, that would just be so cool Logan. If that ended up being the case, I.
Would love that.
I'd love to just have two or three more people to collaborate with and put the system up where we had more. This has only been live basically since middle of July, so it hasn't really been that much up in that much data yet, so I don't know. I think it has a lot of unlimited application and possibilities from my standpoint.
That's why I've.
Been really trying to get it more reliable. It really does irk me that the system goes down sometimes, and it has been going down because the wattage from these five hundred thousand lots solar.
Panels do not produce enough energy for whatever reason.
It's so mind boggling the amount of work we put in to try to get solar to be more stable when it is clearly.
Not what it's cracked up to be.
In my opinion, it sounds like definite work in progress, but it also sounds like it's worth all the potential frustration that goes into it, for sure. Logan, it's been a real pleasure chatting with you tonight. Did you have any final closing thoughts? Slash remind people how they can get in touch with you if they're an engineer, or how they can also get set up with this application to keep an eye on what's going up in the Todds area.
So that's called just discovering Bigfoot. Find it on Apple Store.
The Google Store. It's out there, and try to make it pretty simple. So if people I try to make it to where it's not a lot of people you have to really verify you have a really email and stuff, because I don't the email. It's just people out there just goofing around, but other than that, it's out there and then see when to get a hold of me. My contact email is on the app itself, but it's contact at Bigfoot livestream dot org.
You can just send me an email. I do have a.
Facebook page in the Instagram page where I'm putting videos out there.
If you can find me.
Again, there's links on the app to that, so you don't have to search all up.
It's all on the app. But I'm out there in the social.
Media world, even though that's not really my forte all right, it's really more for to let people know I'm alive in anything. Wh It's a lot better marketer than I am, let's put it that way. But yeah, that's how you get a hold of me. And I'm usually if you do need to get a hold of Todd or something, I might talk to him all the time, and I do have some links to some of his YouTube stuff inside the app.
Well, he's the.
Backbone of the project, because this really is the situation side.
Fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on the show again, and it'll be extremely interesting to check back in with you maybe in a few years to see where this project has gone. But thank you.
Yep, great talking middie.
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