Face to Face on Mount Si! | Washington

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seventy one year old lifelong resident in Washington State. He's a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, and a member of the BFRO. So he's been involved with some very interesting things. So we were kind of chatting a little bit before the show started. But welcome to the show. Rob, how's it going today for you?

Nineteen sixty seven, some friends of mine and I had had little trail bi ex Honda nineties, Yamaha eighties, that kind of thing, and we were growing up in Seattle, no place really to ride them, but I had spent a lot of time up in North Bend, Washington with my dad fishing the little rivers and streams and ponds and grouse hunting and all that up there, and it was an ideal place to go ride these little bikes.

So a couple of us talked our dads into loading up trucks with these little motorcycles and taking us up for a nice long weekend in July and sixty seven. So there were four of us with motorcycles. One guy didn't have one. We all agreed to take turns carrying him around, and our parents dropped us off and we rode around for a little while and found a good

camp spot. Now I should say that the area was supposedly closed due to fire hazard, but you know, we were kind of scofflaws and we could tuck the little motorcycles underneath the gates quite easily, So we kind of set up stealth camp down this dead end, old abandoned logging road and into the trees where we couldn't be seen.

We did nav camp fires or anything like that. But one of my reasons for wanting to go to that location was up on top of Mount Sai, which people in North Bend are on the east side of Lake Washington would be familiar with. On the top of Mount Sai was an old beaver pond with a creek flowing out of it, and that creek always had a nice population of little cutthroat trot in it, so I wanted to take the guys up there and go fish that.

So we were camped and actually just down by where that creek flows off the top of the mountain and goes through a little waterfall and collects and men's into the Snoquamee River. So our first night was pretty uneventful, and we get up that morning and we decide we're all going to go up the hill and go up to this beaver pond and do some fishing. So you ride the motorcycles up there, we kind of stuff them

off in the bushes. We go through this little trail it's only about twenty five thirty feet long to get to the creek, and we get to the creek and we rig up our fish and raw uds, and we're all kind of spreading out along this creek and you know, just using a single salmon egg to kind of plunk

along these little holes. And I'm working my way downstream and I get to a point where I'm probably maybe one hundred and twenty five feet from the next year's buddy of mine, and I'm just about to drop my line in this little hole when there was this absolutely ear splitting guttural, screaming, growl kind of noise. I just really can't even describe it. It was just so alarming and it was so loud, and it just shocked me. And I stood there kind of looking around, trying to

get my bearings and understand what it just happened. And it then just panic overtook me, and I raced back up the creek to where my buddies were, and the four of them were standing there all together, and those who had pocket knives had their knives out, and they're all staring at the skill side in front of them. So of course I get there and you know the usual thing. You guys heard that, Where is it? What was it? And they all heard it, and I'll start

talking back and forth about what is it? Don't know, can't see, And we're looking over this hillside in front of us. It's been logged off, and there's a stump all bleached out white on top of it is like a salmonberry bush, and we see this big brown arm come out kind of sweep the bush to the side a little bit, and as it did that, this head appeared from behind the stump, peeking up over the top of the stump at us, and it did that a couple times, and we're just shocked. I mean, no idea

what this might be. So after probably fifteen twenty seconds of this going on, one of the guys jumps up on this big rock beside us and starts waving his arms and yelling, and we did that. This thing stood up and it was monstrous. It was just this giant, air covered, nine foot tall, bodybuilder looking kind of thing standing behind this stump and staring at us, absolutely motionless, just staring straight at us. And we had never seen

or heard of anything like this before. I think the closest any of us could come to describing it was not long before we'd all been spending the night at my buddy Rich's house and we had watched the old Peter Cushing movie about the Abominable Snowman, and one of the guys said, well, it's an abominable snowman, and the rest of us are like, no, those things are white. This things start brown. What is this? And it's just

standing there staring at us. So finally one of the guys has had enough of it, and he jumps up and waves his arms and does this big kind of screen back at it, and it stood there and looked at us, and then it turned to its left and walked off, and it was probably about fifty yards to get into the trees across this old clearcut, and it just walked straight off into the trees, and that's you know.

We didn't hear anything more from it. So we decided that getting the heck out of there was the best decision we could make, and we literally ran back to the motorcycles and took off, and I don't think we stopped to catch our breath or talk again until we were about probably ten twelve miles down the road from there.

And then the agreement was we needed to find a place to stay and try and find a place where there were other people, which was quite hard to do because again Warehousard shut down the whole area due to fire danger and we had snuck yet. And a long story short, we did finally find a guy and two girls that had a camp set up, and the guy had a rifle, and so we decided to camp with him,

and the next day we made our way home. So that was our first big event and we talked about it for years afterwards, and I talked about it with my dad, my grandfather, and they were both big time outdoorsmen. My grandfather had probably roomed just about every square inch of the state in his lifetime. And you know, nobody could tell us what it was. We saw, no one had ever seen anything like it. And so that went on for a little ways and then we, you know,

we just kind of let it go away. And then probably in seventy or seventy one, my mother found an article in a newspaper about some guys going to a public library on Mercer Island and they were doing a presentation on sasquatch. So, okay, it sounds good to me. Let's go see what this is all about. So I went to that thing, and these two young men were talking about about well, I don't think the term bigfoot

was being used quite then. Again, this has been seventy two, seventy three, but they were talking about the sasquatch that were known to be in California, in British Columbia and probably parts of Washington. And what they were saying is quite fascinating. And they made reference to a gentleman by the name of John Green, and they were selling copies of his books there and so anyway kind of logged all that into my memory banks there and went on

about it. And then I finally looked up this John Green, and I wrote him a letter and said he had really interested in talking to you. This happened to me, if you want to know about it, long story short, He had a friend who lived in Bellevue sent me up with him to go tell him my story. He'd record it for John Green, and John Green could decide

what he wanted to do with it from there. So I met this gentleman who was purple older than my dad, and he was kind of a pseudo investigator for John he'd take some reports down down here in the Seattle area, and apparently he thought I was credible enough that the next thing I know, John Green is calling me in saying he's coming to town. We'll meet at this mutual friend's house and he wants to take my story. So at the point in time I show up at this house,

I meet John Green. John Green has brought with him a movie projector and he has his copy of the Patterson Geinman film. And probably one of the best nights of my life was sitting there at Nick's Coffee table or dining room table, drinking coffee and watching the Patterson Ginman film being you know that John had on this projector John would write back and forth and we'd stop and talk about motions and movements, and I was just I was hooked. That was it. That's all I needed.

I was suddenly a firm believer in Bigfoot, that the scene was real, that it was what I had seen, and I needed to know more. So I agreed to work for John Green and take reports from the Seattle area, doing follow up investigations on them. And that's what I did for a number of years until career path and other obligations took me kind of away from the subject. As much as I wanted to spend on it, I couldn't.

And I think that's how the two of them really got going together, you know, having Nick kind of do the filtering of stories or accounts, you know, here in the US, or at least in Washington State.

In fact, later on I went back to John Green asked me to go back up and spend some time investigating your You see what else I could dig up. So I did, and I measured the underbrush where this thing had been standing, and John transposed to the height of the brush to where I saw the brush coming to on this creature and determined it was nine feet tall, shoulders probably four foot in with just big massive thing.

go spend time me. So he ended up giving me ten copies of each of the three booklets that he had in publication at the time, and with the intent that I would sell the booklets, and that would give me the money to go up and spend more time back up in the North Bend, Montsei area. So it took a couple of months, but I did manage to get those books sold off, and a buddy mine and I decided we'd pair up and go back up there and spend time hanging out and see what we could find.

And we did find more footprints. The best one was unfortunately, in a little drainage dish on the side of the side of the road coming down the hill, and so there was no possibility of casting that. I did photograph some other ones down lower in some leaf deaf but you know, other than that, we didn't find anything more at that time in that area. And so I'm sorry I kind of forgot what your question was as I started to ramble there.

in order for science to validate the existence. Then suddenly I was good with that, and I carried my hunting rifle and so my didn't I. After this trip, my buddy and I were walking down the road back to his car and we're carrying rifles and the guys in the cheap pull up and say, well, what are you guys hunting? I said, they wouldn't believe us if we told you, and they said, no, no, you know what, there's nothing open, there's nothing, you know, it's not deer season.

And I said, no, we're actually we're hunting bigfoot sasquatch. And this guy says, oh, well, man, you got to go to a font lake Fontal outside of du Ball. Friend of ours had a cabin up there and he had one walk by and look in his window at him, and that's a great place to go. So sad gave us a new a new place to go hang out. And so after after you know, this stuff with John Green, John would call me periodically if there was if he had a report that he wanted to follow up on

down here in this area. I'd go do that, uh, you know, do tape recording of the interviews or whatever the person was willing to do and get the information down to John. But that was that was kind of the momentum. And now all of a sudden, my group of friends are getting interested in this, and we're going out and looking for Sasquatch and more areas and had some interesting experiences look at remote leak out in Douval

and just kind of branched out from there. I'd hear something from somebody, you know, you usually the friend of a friend kind of thing. If they found out what I was interested in, they'd say, oh, you need to talk with my brother in law, you need to call my cousin. He saw something over on the Olympic Peninsula, and you know, just kind of kept me bouncing around looking.

it was kind of very retreat. They used to have the lake stocked with rainbow trout, and then in later years the Archdiocese of Seattle acquired the property and they used the old the old resort as kind of their retreat facility, but they left the access to the lake open. So anyway, my girlfriend and I are tured our two dogs and two friends of ours, and we're halfway around

the lake. There's there's a little bit of a knoll there that was flat on top, and we were set up for camping and it was too hot that night. I couldn't sleep in the tent, so I went out and strung my hammock up and was laying in my hammock, and my female German shepherd, as usual by my side, she was laying underneath my hammock. And I woke up to the sound of something, you know, moving around in the bushes, you know, you just hear Lynn's swishing back

and forth. And I wasn't sure what it was, and so I sat up and turned on my flashlight and looked over it kind of this little bit of the hill, and I could see my girlfriends in Norwegian now count and he would charge into underneath the cedar tree and he'd kind of swroll around in and he'd come back out, and then he'd go back in at another angle. And he was playing with something down there, and I don't know what it was, but my German shepherd wasn't moving.

She was standing there ears of full attention. Her hacks were up. She wasn't going to leave my side for nothing. So I woke up my buddies and I said, hey, guys, something happening just over the hill here. And you know, my girlfriend's dog is going in and outlis brush and I don't know what it is down there, but but

there's something in there playing with the dog. So we decided we were going to try and approach it the trail we came in on paralleled the lake shore, and so two of the guys decided they were going to go up onto the trail and I was going to take my dog and go down into where this whatever this was, and follow it or try and chase it out to where they might be able to see it, because the woods were much more open on the trail that they were walking. So we all started down and

on end. And as I was walking through there, my dog was staying, My German Sheppard was just tight at my side, hacks up. She was on alert, moving very stealthily. But as we were going through, I could see tree limbs in front of us coming back into places after they'd been pushed aside. But I couldn't see anything itself,

just these the motion of these tree limbs. Well I knew that very soon we were coming up into an area that was just a bunch of old rotten alders and visibility would improve greatly, So I just kind of kept pressing on. My buddies are still coming down the trail, and all of a sudden, whatever it was in front of the just exploded out of there, just, I mean just boom, busted out of the brush and took off running. Well, I knew it had gotten to the clearcut and it

was trying to get across the clear cut. So my buddies heard that and they started running down the trail hoping to cut this thing off, and I'm trying to beat feet through the brush behind it. None of us caught sight of they were caught up to it. We could hear it running off through the woods. So the next day, daylight, well actually later daylight, we went back up on the trail and tried to follow this thing. And I don't recall what the track size was, but

we did find some big tracks. But in the trail, in the path that this thing had taken, it was a big old Douglas fir that had fallen down, as they do when they get too light, and the top of the truck, the top of the tree was about four and a half to five feet above the ground and whatever the thing was. It had put one foot down on the ground in front of the tree and then looked up and over this tree, which was to the top of the tree was about five and a

half feet high. It had cleared that tree and come down on the left foot on the other side of the tree. I mean, it just made this running jump over this big dog on tree and it continued off through the brush. So and again, you know, the track was visibly enough or at least identifiable enough to recognize it as kind of a human shape foot, but you know, considerably larger. I don't think we well, I know, we didn't measure it because we didn't have anything to measure with.

But you know, I remember it was well beyond the norms for a human size foot. And there wasn't anybody living back in there at that time. There are no houses or anything else back there, So it was just really a curious thing that it stayed around plain with the dog and then it ran away from us little people.

and things of that nature. But I could totally see how that dog was definitely going after it. So how old were you during that encounter.

go look into that, and I did. My brother in law and I went out there and spent considerable time looking for this thing and looking for track. We did find just off the road there was a piece of sheet rock. People had been dumping stuff all over out there, but there was a piece of sheet rock, probably like four foot by five foot five eighth sheet rock, laying there, and something had stepped on the middle of that and

there was a big impression. But because of the way it broke, there was and you know, it's hard enough material, there wasn't any definable toes or anything like that, but just to kind of the overall outline of a very large humanoid print was visible in the broken sheet rock and so my brother in law and we went out there several times. We went back and forth through the woods, nothing down the power line and never found anything more

than that to substantiate the report or the plane. And then I think one of the most interesting ones I got on too, in the of an area of Pelop called South Hill. There was a state trooper coming out to go on the shift one night. And I don't know how it is we are that our state patrolmen they take their cars home with them, so from the

minute they lived to leave their driveway, they're on duty. Well, the state trooper had come out of this little development in his car, was coming down this road and a bigfoot cross the road in front of him and then went down through this delley off the other side of the road and disappeared. Well, a news reporter who got onto this story and was talking with people in the area said that they were also getting these very strange vocalizations.

So John Green had called me and asked if I would go out and follow up on this, and and so I did. And the people that I met who had reported it to the paper, Well back a bit back up here, my uncle was a state patrolman and I asked, asked him to get a hold of this trooper and have him call me, because that was the easiest way to find this guy. So Mark something, I can't remember his last name at the moment, he did

call me. I talked with him, and he told me where he lived and told me that there were people in this development that had been reporting hearing this thing coming down this power line, you know, periodically throughout the week. So I took a buddy with me and we went out there and I met with these people who had supposedly gotten this recording, and they got it on a

reel to reel tape deck. They'd heard it several nights in a row, and one night the wife just set up the recorder in the bedroom window to capture it. So I took my reel to reel recorder and I made a cop of her tape online, and it was very compelling. It was a very high pitch screen certainly seemed to be much more forceful than any coyote wouldbuster, but there were similarities in the overall sound to it.

We spent some time some nights down there, sitting out along this power line, but one night we thought we heard it coming, but it never did come any you know, come close enough to make any any definitive thought on it. But that was probably an interesting one. It was my tape. It was it was my recording off somebody else's tape, the people who had originally reported this thing. In my conversation with the state trooper as to what he'd seen, that kind of brought all that forward. But that was

a very interesting one. You know, a sworn law enforcement officer risks his career and ridicule by giving a statement about this same crossing the road, about his neighbors hearing these sounds and these people making recordings. You know that that's pretty concrete evidence in my opinion.

photo going off of the hairstyle of the boy. But that individual's name is Mark Pettinger Junior, which I've always like, Man, I've always thought, actually looking at that photo, I bet that guy has a really cool story, but I've never been able to find him. But yeah, that's interesting that that just came up. That that's part of your bigfoot past as well. It's very cool. Thank you for sharing that.

I like hunting the woods. So we decided that between us, him going down this clear cut and me going through the woods, we'd stand a better chance of cutting truck and maybe figuring out where these bear were going. And I'm walking along through the woods, and this particular patch of woods it's all soft woods, popular and alder and stuff like that, and it's just this deep, wonderful carpet of mossy walking in. I mean, you walk through there

so quietly. It was crazy. But I'm just probably I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty yards at most inside the woods from the clearcut where my buddy is walking, and we're kind of going parallel. And I stopped for a minute to lean up against this tree. Well, the tree was dead and I need against it in the barren. Tree fell over. Well I've stooped out whatever is in here now, knocking this tree down. But I kind of did this stupid thing. I mean, I'm like eighteen years old.

You know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world. And so I'm walking along and I think, oh gosh, these trees fall over off leasy, they're all dead so I walk up to run and they just give it a shove and it falls. So walking along to another one, and it's probably a little bigger things, probably still I don't know, twenty four to twenty five feet tall, about eight to ten inch in diameter, and I give that

one a shove and it falls over. And the moment that that thing fell over, it felt like i'd been electrocuted. I just they're just just I don't know how to describe it. I've never had a feeling like this before or since. But it was almost like someone had run a ramrod right up my back side, up through my spine. I couldn't move. I was just kind of locked suddenly in place. I hadn't anything, I didn't see anything. It was just bam, I'm locked bolt upright and I can't move,

and it's panicking me. And I realize I've got to settle down. I've got to get out of here. Whatever it is, I got to get out of here. So I started to, you know, kind of breathe forcefully, and I found that I could move a little bit. And

my rifle was an old sportized Argentine mouser. It had a big, old safety level that flops one hundred and eighty degrees, and so I flipped it up to half off, and I'm looking and slowly turning and looking behind them, looking all around, and there's absolutely nothing there, but I can't shake the feeling. Well in front of me, maybe seven feet away at most, maybe eight, there's a vine maple. And you know wine maples, they oftentimes they go right

back down to the ground. They just make these big clumps. And I'm looking at this wine maple and I can see that that underneath it, it's moss. And to me, that vine maple was cover, and that cover was security, and I needed to get there, but I was afraid to move, and I just I'm slowly trying to turn around. I still can't see anything behind that. I don't hear anything else again, but to me, that tree is my salvation.

So I just kind of gave myself the counter three and I took a big leap and then half a step and dove literally dove underneath this vine maple, and I landed on the moss. It was nice. I immediately rolled over, looking behind me with my rifle pointing out in that direction. Man, there was nothing, but I still had that feeling that doing was imminent, but there was

nothing there. Next thing, I know, I'm waking up. I'd passed out or fallen asleep something, and I'm coming to and I'm kind of doing inventory on myself and my rifle, and I'm looking around and there's the feeling that i'd had is completely gone. And I crawled out from underneath this vine maple and the world was normal again, shining

through the trees. Life was good. So I continued on down and got let my buddy down at the lower road, the rendezvous point, and you know that was I have no explanation for that, but I have since had other witnesses tell me that they have had a paralyzing fear only to then see a big foot walk away from them somewhere nearby. And I guess I'm attributing that sensation, which I had never had before or since, to having been in proximity to a bigfoot that wasn't happy that I was there.

fall asleep directly after having something happen. Is it because you know you are just you have so much adrenaline adrenaline going on, or is it you know, directly related to you know, maybe you did have well, you definitely had some encounter happen. Is It's incredible. I've never heard someone do you well, do you think that was infrasound?

Some of their their findings or their encounters and experiences are in line with what I've seen, and so I just sent into an email and I got a response back saying they'd like me to meet with this local individual and talk about membership and participation, and it kind

of went on from there. I met with Kirk Brandenburg, who's the well known guy the BFI local gout here, and Kirk and I went out and investigated a sighting together, and I guess he decided I would worthy enough for at least not a threat, and recommitted me for membership.

And I drove my own truck one day when my company vehicle was in the shop, and one of the subcontractor plays sat on my truck and asked me about it, and so we about to talking and he said, well, he said, I I live at this place that is kind of remote, and in our little community, people have been experiencing things, and you know, let me talk around the around the community and see if they'd be willing to have you come in and talk with them and

get some of their stories. So long story short, he did, and and I was able to are allowed to go in there. And they really are I mean they're not it's not a survivalist. It's not a militia group.

of their habitats. So we walked around, talked to these people, and you know, I said to them, you know, if you guys don't mind, I kind of want to go off down through the woods here see what we can find. And that was fine with everybody. So my wife and I started off down through woods, heading towards the towards the bush and towards the ocean rather. And we could see things here and there, little you know, indentations that

could be imprints, but nothing really, nothing terribly definable. We got down to the ocean and right where a river comes out and joins the ocean, and I thought, man, this is perfect habitat. You know you've got You've got Yes, there has been some active logging in the area, but you've got this community that has all this property. It's quiet. Uh, there's nobody shooting guns up in here. They're surrounded by woods,

you've got fresh water, you've got salt water. So if they want to go after shell fish and mollusks, they've got that going for them. If they want, you know, the summer in or the spawning salmon, or some are in steel hit, anything like that. They've got that river.

It's a great place. And so with that in mind, now that thinking, yeah, there could be more, we started walking around the woods a little bit more and we did find some some very interesting trackways around the perimeter of this community, and we did talk with people that had had had sightings. One house that we talked to something that's coming up in the middle of the night, slapping on the side of the house, and that was

very interesting. But I think the one that really got me was again on one of our job sites, one of our crew who all do my pastime, said, Hey, you know, you got to go over and talk with my grandparents over in Port Angelos. They've got the craziest property. There's just weird stuff going on over there. So he set it up for me to be able to go talk with them and great people. They had this piece of property on the outskirts of Port Angeles, but I

mean not really very far off the beaten path. There maybe a matter of three blocks off, four blocks off when the main drags through. PA and I took my son with me and we interviewed the grandparents and then their daughter and grandson were living in another house on the property. And I think one of the funniest things that I was told was her grandmother wanted to be begun to keep pests out of her little truck patch guard. So on one night she thinks she can hear something outside.

She's not sure if it's raccoon or whatever. She takes her a little bbgun. She goes out the back door. There are two nineteen forty eight Dodge pickups part side by side. One belongs to Grandpa, one belongs to his son. They've bought these trucks to restore them, and they're sitting there, side by side, and she's looking and over the top of the truck farthest from her, she sees a sasquatch head pop up and stare back at her. In her panic, she starts shooting her be begun the sasquatch and it

ducks back down. She slams the door, goes in and tells her husband to turn on all the lights outside. Next morning, the sun in law comes over and he comes in the house and they said, hey, you guys, got any idea who shot all the windows up on my truck. Apparently she'd never hit the big Foot, but she was breaking windows out of the thing. But that

kind of cracked me up. But they had stuff going on, and I said, and I wandered back up this creek that just kind of aimlessly comes down from a mountain up there. Really wanted this creek. And we found the occasional impression that looked like it could have been a footprint, but now it's been washed out a little bit by

rising and falling creek. We found some patches of deer for which isn't really unusual either, but these people had also told us that that deer would show up periodically in the yards with a broken back leg, which sounded odd to me until you know, kind of going over some bfr O reports. There's been some speculation and some actual accounts a sasquatch cackling deer by by you know, breaking the legs the deer can't run away from them,

grabbing them by the legs and intentially breaking them. So I kind of wondered if that was going on there too. There was an interesting area. There was this creek that

came down off this mountain. It wound around through all these little hobby farms up there in the foothills, you know, covered over with brush, but a great pathway for something to be able to come out down out of the deep woods and come down and pick off, you know, a shopping basket of food from these little hobby farms as that went along.

down into Derrington. And that's kind of my my stopping grounds and research area, and a report came into the BFRO these young men had supposedly been up on Mount Pilchuck, which used to years ago be a it was a ski area uh Mount Pelchuk, and that these young men had from a church group after their youth meeting or whatever, decided they were going to go out and look for Bigfoot.

And they went up this Mount Pelchuk road and then there was a little side road they went up, and they were all sitting up there and they'd get out periodically and you know, look around these ridges. Good kids just out having fun being in the woods, and they

got spooked off. They started hearing things approaching them. They got back in the car and one of them said he saw red eyeshine coming through the rear window of the car towards him, and then they decided to get out of there, so they reported this to BFRO O. My wife I went up there to look into it, and I had just recently bought a game call and I took that along to play with. And so where

these guys were there was an old access road. It was an old maintenance road on Mount Piltchuk, and it actually goes up around to the west side and then veer your south. It's all overgrown. You can't drive up in there. You can walk up in there, but not. Pilchrick is a popular climbing trail, and that's something they do over in a little different area of it. So we went up there. We got there about the same time of evening that the young men told me that

they'd gone up there originally. And so I hadn't use this game called before, and I thought, well, we'll see what happens. So the first thing I do is I play the phone in distress call and then I stop and I give it a few minutes, and then I play it again, stop a few minutes, and play it again, and then they stop everything, and I wait for about oh I was probably ten to fifteen minutes. And on

my game Caller, there's like the coyote reunion. It's a coyote pack all yipping and howling and one thing or another at each other, and it's the thing you hear when coyotes together at night before they go off to hunt. So I played that and all of a sudden, something there's just this thunderous steps started coming down through the woods, just just boom boom, boom, boomuse me something coming down

the hill towards us all this access road. And I'm starting to get a little bit panicked about this because as far as I don't want the only guy there with a gun, and what I've got under my shoulder is just a ninth millimeter and I don't have a lot of faith in that. But I think we're going to be run over and eating well all this. Everybody hears it. You can almost feel it in the ground, and we're all standing there, like what we're going to

do now? You know? I called up the demon and it stopped, came to an abrupt halt just beyond where we could possibly see it back in the trees, and we decided it was probably a good time to leave. And I never never ever did that again, and I don't recommend that anybody do that. Guys. I think that, you know, it's almost like ringing the dinner bell. If you're gonna ring the dinner bell, you better have food that you're gonna give it, otherwise you might you might find yourself in harm's way.

But I think you're you're dead on. You had mentioned before the interview that you had some dealings around the Bumping Lake area.

never had anything happen. It was just just a nice place to go. All cutting wasn't great, but it was fun country to be in. And then all of a sudden people are reporting seeing bigfoot up in there and having these encounters, So I took some guys that my son and I decided that well, he knew somebody and I knew somebody. We had my secretary's husband was very interested in Bigfoot, So my son and I took a couple of guys with us at the Bumping Lake and

we made a camp at night. We did a little bit of a road walk and we get up to me there was a kind of a turnaround area in this road, and the gates were all locked so you couldn't drive through there. So I just had everybody sit down, let the woods settle down around. It was probably ten o'clock at night. It was full on burk. And after you know, probably fifteen twenty minutes of sitting there and let in the wood settle down, I said, okay, let's

start back to camp. Well, my son's leading the way, and then the next two guys, and then I'm bringing up the beer. And as we start to walk way, I hear this rock can fly through the trees, you know that sound, and it goes PLoP in this bit of snow right out there in front of me. So we all stop and we look at this rock, and I said, okay, we don't anybody react to this. And I think that's the key thing, big football. You'll do things to get your attention. If you overreact, you just

ended the experience with him. If you just react to a little curiosity or I have to bring nonchalant about it, now, they want to do more to make sure you know they were there. So we kind of ignore it and we start walking along and we get probably a wire twenty thirty steps away from that spot, and all of a sudden, I hear this, right. I turn around. I look on my headlamp and that same rock that had been thrown at me earlier has now been bowled up

to me. And I said, I turned around, looked back in the way from from where it came, and yeah, of course there's nothing to be seen there. So okay, keep the quiet and so I'll get back to camp. We all get back to camp, get the fires looked up, and I said to everybody, I said, I want you to stand up, put your hands out, palms open flat at your side, and just turn a slow circle. Sure

that you're not carrying any weapons or anything. And so we all did that, sat back down, and it didn't take long before we could hear something on the periphery of camp going through the brush, and it would make this circle where semi circle around us and then you go back either way. We didn't turn on flashlights again, We're trying to have a little closer in positive encounter

with whatever this is. And so for probably forty five minutes to an hour, it would just kind of move from one side to the air or another around us. And so finally I said, you know, it's not going to do anything more than this, and I've had it. I got to go to bed.

to get a look at. It and it was a sound of it running from him and him and running after it through the woods THAT i was listening to, say why he comes comes back into the. TENT i asked him about it and tell me what, happened AND i, said you, know, look please don't do that. Anymore don't chase the bigfoot because you might catch him and you don't want to do. That but that was there At Bumping lake and that was probably again didn't see. It but what was curious to me is where this was going.

On back in the. Woods The Game department had left a bear trap back in, There so it made me wonder if someone had had big foot encounters and they said it was a, bear Because i've never seen beer in. There i've seen mountain lion in, there but never ever HAVE i seen a bear or any sign of a bear in. There so the fact that The Game department had a bearcage set up right in that area was a little curious to.

Camping so they have kind of these these elevated pads all over for horse. Traders and THEN i mean there's no toilets in the running water or anything like that in. There but it's really predominantly a horse. Camp so we get in. There there's nobody. There we set up our. Tent,

anyway we can't have a. Campfire that's. Fine we got a lantern we put on on the picnic, table and, yeah we're just kind of having a nice time just being together away from the hustle and, bustle and gets on TO i don't, know, midnight maybe a little, laughter AND i decided it's time for me to go to. Bed so the ground is we can't have a. Campfire the ground everything is just so terribly. Dry. Geez when you put your foot, down there was a puff of dust to go, up you, know a couple of feet

off the. Ground so we just had a lantern that set out. There so there was a spot AND, i you, KNOW i back up. There so, anyway we shut down. Everything we go into the can go to bed about four four th in the. Morn THEN i wake. Up i've got to answer the call of. Nature it's still, dark SO i go right out straight out the, tent across kind of this deff dusty bit of a trail and go over to where this salal brush is AND

i do my. Business AND i come back into the tent And i'm standing there And i'm trying to debate and debating WHETHER i want to go back to, bed If i'm going to be able to get any more, sleep or AM i just going to get dressed and stay? Up and my son WICH, I he, said what are you? Doing AND i, said, WELL i Think i'm just going to get dressed and stay. Up and no sooner DO i say, that than right outside the, tent a great

horned owl goes off the. Thing you, Know i'm right outside the tent and be looking to Other hey that's pretty, cool said, hey wait a, minute there's no tree outside that. Tent AND i wasn't don't when they're on the. Wing

so we quick like get dressed. Again back out the tent we go with flash, lights and sure, enough there's no tree there and there's no. Owl but WHERE i had just, urinated about five feet to the left of me is a much larger wet spot in the road that wasn't there when we went to, bed and that's certainly not WHERE i had. Urinated but there's this huge wet.

Spot and going away from the wet spot and down through This oregon grape, STUFF i can't remember what they call, it here's this great big, imprints like sixteen seventeen inch long imprints leading off AND i, know darn will they're bigfoot because they go one directly in front of the, other you, know their tracks are typically. Inline and it went one in front of the other right down over the, hill through this death and down into the area where

there was an airhorse camp down. Below so that to this day that cracks us up to talk about, that about the owl that wasn't an owl and the huge wet. Spot it was kind of, like you, KNOW i, LIKE i went out and marked my territory in this head had to come out in remarkets. Territory it was just kind of.

know it's it's you're going a little bit south. There and did you ever do anything down In Schamania? County?

Interesting the second, day people were still coming in for anticipate and a police officer off duty and his wife were driving in and he had a bigfoot across the road in front of, him and when it came across from the up hill, side crossed in front and dropped off the downhill. Side he said it had reached up and grabbed this limb and kind of swung itself over the side of the road and him. Down so we did a recreation of, that and we got this this guy to go with. Us and so it turns out

THAT i can't remember who it. Was it Wasn't kirk and had Been. John somebody went back and beat the breast for a little ways back along the route of things supposedly came, from and they came through this this alder, thicket and you, know there's order been great and you, know on the ground there and so they were able to see where this thing had, wants but there wasn't anything.

Definable and then of course we were trying to measure to see how tall this thing, was and the only thing we really had as a measuring point was this limb that it had reached up and grabbed onto to

swing off the. Road and at the point where the witness said it had reached up and grabbed this, thing this limb that was like eleven feet off the, ground so they knew it was well beyond human dimensions to be able to reach up to that eleven foot off the ground and grab this limb and swing and and really the witnesses response and reaction to, this you, know all night. LONG i, mean here's the guy who's a police.

OFFICER i suspect he's faced some, hardened you, know bad guys from time to, time and but he wouldn't leave the wouldn't leave the, campground wouldn't leave the, campfire and he couldn't even turn his back to the. Woods he had to keep rotating around like he. Was he was quite. Terrified his response WAS i, thought very, genuine and it was one of the few TIMES i think on an expedition THAT i saw someone had a valid.

the state Of washington in this. Interview BUT i do want to ask your initial Mount sigh, encounter when you had that visual and it was behind the, stump do you think that's the best look that you've ever gotten at a bigfoot over the? Years?

Stuff BUT i look for where in the human line or in the hammeted line could bigfoot have split off and evolved separately and. Differently and it wasn't UNTIL i, Mean i've looked at tons of research and archaeological reports and what have. You And Lee burger has in the past few years convinced me without intending to convince, me but he has convinced me that this goes back alongside of, us back to when we had finally decided to stop

swinging in the trees and became ground. Dwelling there are fossil indications of you, know Doctor Jeff meldrum makes an awful lot about the, footprint and he talks about this this calcutaneous bone in the heel which dictates how all the foot of the big foot rotates and and where the flection point is on this, Well australopithecus, sediba discovered By Lee berger just a few years, back has that same calcutaneous bone that Doctor meldrum talks. About so is

it a direct ancestor relation To? BIGFOOT i don't, Know but here now we have fossil evidence that shows linkage between then and. Them and now and them, uh and Then homo ne leetti is more recent find and that was just he just got that class found In class bied a couple of years, ago found in the same, cave much more human looking. Characteristics now granted they were they were, small you, know four and a half five feet,

tall but so was everything in those. Days we know and can sign physically proved That gigantopithecus is not surviving to this. Day it could not possibly have because of the bamboo die offs and it was a specialized. Beater BUT i look to those kind of, discoveries and those two in, particular as being relevant to what we're seeing, today and maybe why we see so many is that they they thrive around. Us they actually seek us out for a direction for what we leave behind that they can.

Use that's my thoughts on.

to be in the. Background but, YEAH i guess.

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