My name is John Reiners. I'm fifty six years old. I grew up in South Dakota and I live in Kentucky. I've been here seventeen years. I'm a registered nurse. I worked at the hospital in Owensboro, Kentucky, and I've worked there sixteen years. And at the time before my accounter happened, I'd been working on another medicurge unit, and when COVID came along, I'd been getting floated down to the COVID unit. I was going to COVID
unit quite often. One thing I'd like to say really really quick about the COVID A lot of people think it was a myth, overblown and whatnot. When I worked the COVID unit, we primarily had people on mechanical ventilation, so we were getting the sick of the sickest. They weren't admitting people unless they were really sick. Yes, there was most people had to have one
other issue before they really got COVID. But there was people that got it and died that was totally healthy prior to But anyway, I was working the COVID unit and the other unit I worked maybe a day or two a week. They would have to have a swab because I was working on the COVID unit. They did not want the COVID coming back to my other unit, so they would swab us. Well. The night of November seventeenth, twenty twenty, I worked the night shift. I was getting ready to work,
go to work. It was about i'd say, about five pm. The hospital calls and they tell me that swab that you did this morning, you're positive you're not going to be able to come in. So I thought, well, great, So that means at that time you had to quarantine for seven days, couldn't come around the patients. Like I say, the other unit I was working on had a lot of vulnerable patients with compromised immune systems and so forth. So my other dilemma was, at the time, my
father in law was staying at our house. He had early signs of dementia, and we were trying to help take care of him, you know, trying to put off as long as we can bring them to a nursing home and so forth. But with his health and other conditions he had, I knew that he would be very high risk. So I was a little bit of a quandary. So I called my wife she wasn't in the house. She was out shopping with my father in law, and I told her what the situation was, that I can't come to work, and I had to
come up with an idea. We have a cabin up at rough River Lake, Kentucky, which is fifty six miles from our house, and I told her, why don't I go up to the cabin in quarantine and you and your dad just drive over to the grocery store and I'll meet you there. So we did that, and I had a list of things that I was going to need for the seven days. So my father in law and wife went in the store. They got food that I needed, and I have a toolbox on the back of my pickup, so we didn't have to contact.
They just stuck it all in there and I went on my wary way told those guys to go swab the next morning, which luckily they were fine. So anyway, that's kind of how the setup is on it. I'll give you a little bit of background about myself. I my ready nurse. Like I said, I've also a Coast Guard veterer, and I've been in the Coast Guard in the eighties and went through the oil spill and got a life saving medal for some things that we did. And anyway, since then,
I started importing wicker and rotan. Now I'm been in nursing for twenty three years. I'm a fishing addict. I fish all the time. If I'm not at work, i'm fishing somewhere. I fish Rough River, Lake, No Lynn Dale, Hollow, Cumberland, you name it. So that's pretty much my hobby is fishing. So what my idea was with the quarantine. At that time, I was writing a fishing book and it was about funny stories about fishing. So I thought, well, I'll make the best
of it. I'll go up to the cabin while I'm quarantined, I can work on that book. So I did that, and then on the way, it's about fifty six miles, like I said previous, on the way to my driveway to our cabin. So about thirty miles up the road, I'm taking fifty four east from Owensboro, and I get to a really small village called Fordsville. Shortly after Fordsville it starts. You know, it's pretty rural all the way, but it gets more and more rural once I get
through Fordesville. Then after I got to Fordsville, I went on to sixty one, and that would have been I can't I think it's north, So I'm going on to sixty one and my goal was to get Highway one oh five, and when I get to one oh five, I go south. So that's an eleven mile stretch. So about ten miles in and this is pretty heavy woods hills. Between the sets of hills, there's usually a farm with, you know, either tobacco or corn, generally sometimes beans, but
anyway, primarily corn and tobacco. But this time of the year all the fields are shaved down to the nubs, so you can see pretty well out on these farmers fields. So about ten miles in, I'm coming down the road and on the right side of the road, I see some ice shine and it was whitish, kind of yellowish, a little bit of yellow, but it was more whitish, and I recognize right away that it was a deer and he was on the right side of the road. Well, this
blows me away. This deer. He gets up on the highway and he's crossing so get I'm seeing the side of the deer. He's on the right side going to the left. He gets in the middle and he stops, and it was a nice buck. If I was deer hunting, that would it would be what most people would consider a trophy sides. I think it had six times on each side. It was a nice big buck. But this deer, I know he saw me, but he comes right on the road and stops. So this highway that I'm on, it's a single lane
or a two lane highway, you know, one on each side. So as I'm heading toward I hadn't passed a car for ten miles. I'm coming towards this deer. Waiting for the deer to move. I start flashing my lights on and off a couple of times. So as I'm approaching it, I realized I'm gonna have to slow down because he's not and out of the way. So the deer's stand there and he's looking off to the left.
He's not even worried about me. So I get up close to him, and I would say within twenty yards, I was almost stopped, like because this deer going to do anything. I considered honking, but I didn't know what was going on, and I didn't know if there was more deer coming up or what he was doing. So I almost come to a stop.
So then I look over to the left. I'll guess I'm looking to see what this deer was looking at. And before I tell you what I saw, on the left side of the road, there's a berm with trees. It's a ditch. It's maybe I don't know, like fifteen feet off the road and it's it's a ditch. It's not super deep, but it's filled with trees that kind of go along the road. Well thirty yards past that, there's a second ditch with trees and it goes maybe one hundred yards further
than this this first ditch that's by the road. So as I'm coming down, I see the deer. It's towards the end of the first ditch by the road. So the other berm is where he's looking towards the end of that, which extended almost one hundred yards past the first berm. That's where the deer stopped in the middle of the road, looking at the end of burm number two. And like I say, that was about I want to say, thirty yards off of the highway, so it wasn't too far.
So I look over there and as soon as I do. You know how your headlights are shining forward, but then you get the shine off to the sides, and that's he was in that side part of my headlights. I see orange eyes. Now when I say the orange eyes, these things they had been about a size of a silver dollar, I want to say four inches apart, maybe five. And the weird thing is they were there three
and a half to four feet off the ground. So the only thing I've ever seen in my life that had orange eye shine was a mountain lion, and I've seen those before, but it just didn't quite look right because the eyes were so big and so far apart. It seemed to be about the right distance off the ground. So as I came close, like I said previously, when I got close to the deer and almost stopped, I look
back over in these eyes at the end of the burm. On the end of it, I could see as it came around it was actually on all fours, And the first thing I saw was this big dark object in the eyes. They weren't glowing, but they were shining and reflecting in the light like a like a reflector. And I noticed it was on all fours and then I see this head. It's a massive head. It was slightly conical shape, but it was more shaped to me like a extremely large human being
in the medical field, when you get somebody very large. I don't know if people remember Andre the giant All Star wrestler, he had what they call acromegaly. Well, achromagali. You have very large proportions, and you have maybe like a rid above your eyes, and your skull is really heavy. It was like an extreme version of acromagally, is what I saw. With the eyes. The mouth, from what I could see, was closed. I couldn't really make out teeth or anything like that. But this thing was
walking like a spider. And when I say walking like a spider, I've since done some research and if you ever get on the Google, and I like to say the Google instead of Google, people work't make fun of me, but I always call it the Google. So if you get on the Google and video and look for a video of a ghost crab, that's about the closest thing that I've ever found that it looks like if you watch a
video of a ghost crab on a beach. This thing had four limbs, but ghost crabs have eight but the way it moved sideways forward stop, mechanical backwards, like it just turnstop, turn stop, does all that kind of stuff. That's what it reminded me of a ghost crab. So this thing is so then I look back at the deer. The deer's still there, so I'm like, what in the world's going on? At this point, I'm starting to realize what I'm looking at over on the left side of the
road. So as I come to a stop, this deer bolts, he takes off, and I will say when he took off, he acted like I noticed when he was standing there, he looked sort of tired, and I figured that it was his adrenaline going and he was he obviously, since something was over there. But when the deer took off, he wasn't running as fast as I would normally think a deer would run. Because I've seen deer. I used to deer hunt. I fish. Now I can't afford
to go fishing at hunting, so I can pretty much fish. But growing up in South Dakota, I hunted, So when he took off, I didn't think he appeared to be at full speed. But this, what I know now is a sasquatch on the spider walk turns towards the deer. Now he's going across the field. He's probably going at a maybe a fifteen degree
angle away from the where the sasquatch was going across this field. Well, as the spiderwalking sasquatch turns, it starts moving towards him like really fast, fluid, and as it's running on all fours, it all of a sudden raises up onto two feet. Now I think it could have caught it on four feet, I really do. I think he would have caught the deer on the four feet, but on two feet he was I don't know that
he got any faster. But the whole thing was so fluid. It kind of reminded me of one of those Transformer movies where it just it just looked unreal. It looked unnatural, but it was so smooth. And what I thought about is why I think it raised up on two feet. This deer had pretty massive horns on it, and I was thinking that, you know, if you're gonna tackle, which I assume from other stories I've heard that they'll tackle a deer break its neck, and I figured, you know,
if I was on all fours. I would probably get up on two feet dealing with those horns, because if I was down at four feet, probably closer to the horns. As you're tackling the deer, those horns are like let's stick your eye out and something like that. So I see why it went up on all fours. But as it took off, I had no doubt that it was going to catch this deer. I did not see the deer get caught. They got out of range in my lights. But what I did do as he took off, I started rolling my window down.
I wanted to see if I could hear anything. So this deer gets out of range the sasquatch chasing side of arrange. So I was sitting there for a minute. Like to say, there was no other cars on the road. This was around nine pm that night, and there was earlier. There was a sliver of a moon, but it was so dark and cloudy that it was pitch black. But as I gathered my thoughts over to my right, there was woods kind of right even with my pick up, and I
hear this crash and something coming through the woods. So I thought, oh my god, there's something else in the woods. Coming my way. Well, my pickup's only six cylinder. I really couldn't squeal out of there, so I got out of there as fast as I could. And what I think happened is this deer the reason he looked so tired. I think he was being stalked from another creature in the woods. I think it stalked him
and maybe had been for some time. I know sometimes a deer when they're being stalked, they'll go places and stall, but to rest and collect their thoughts and whatnot. But if it was relentlessly being pursued by something that maybe eight hundred to one thousand pounds, it was probably pretty rough on this deer. And I suspect this deer that was at the end of this berm on the left side of the road had been laying in wait as an ambush and
the other one's job. Who knows, maybe there was more than one, but I think his job was to drive him through those woods to get over on the open field. Then the other one was camouflaging the felf on all fours at the end of that burm to make it easy to pick them off. So on the right side, I believe this thing was coming my way, and he wasn't going to stop. Either he wanted a part of the deer, or he wanted a part of me, or he was going to
do something to me. But I wasn't going to wait around and find out. So I went the extra mile up the road, and that's where you get to the intersection. It's called mcwadie. When you get there, there's a little convenience store on one side, and then there's a like a church, and then there's a little post office that's not much bigger than a camper. So I pulled into that lot and I was shaken. I was nervous.
I was like, oh my gosh, and I was trying to take it all in on what I saw, and I thought to myself, you know what, I don't have anywhere to be. It doesn't matter, So I'm going to drive back through there and see if I see anything or hear anything. Well about that time, here comes a semi down the opposite side of the road, headed towards me. I thought, Man, when the time he gets through there, anything that's around there is going to be long gone. So I went ahead and went up to the cabin. And so
when I got to the cabin. I sat down and thought about what I saw and this thing when when when it was doing the spider crawl, Like I say, if you look look at a ghost crab walking, that's what he looked like walking. But when this thing stood up, I would say he was between seven and eight feet tall. He was very muscular, but I've heard people say that muscular like a weightlifter. This one that I saw,
he was muscular, but he was lean. He reminded me of some of these UFC fighters that that not the heavyweight division that are very muscular and they're ripped, but they're not overly overly stocky. For his size he was, I'm still going to say his shoulders were three to four feet wide. He was big, and it did come down to a v at the at the waist and from everything I saw, he was covered in fur or hair.
But I would say hair because there was areas you could see, like when it was it turned, I think I could see scapulas through it and in the front. I never got a look at the chest because when he was facing me he was on all fours, but on his face I could see that there was skin. I want to say it was dark, so I can't it was nighttime. It was either gray or black, but it seemed lighter than the fur around it. He didn't have anything around the eyes.
There was like a ridge above his eyes, and I think that's where the hair started there. And he probably had like a go tee with the side beard, kind of like if you think of Abraham Lincoln, how his beard was that his hair came up like that. It didn't have that. I could see a mustache because I remember seeing the mouth and I didn't see any hair between that, and that brings me to the nose. The nose looked hew into a degree, but it was flat. It was kind of
if you see a boxer. I used of the analogy about boxing the UFC. I'm not really into that that much, but it's a good analogy. The the nose was flat, like it's been punched a whole bunch. If you see human with the flat nose, you see a lot of the old boxers. So his nose was wide and flat. Otherwise, it wasn't shaped like what you'd think of gorilla, like when I've been at the zoo.
It wasn't anything like that. So the head I described that a little bit earlier, and it did look like a human that has acromagically but just bigger. It had the like a heavy ridge. It was kind of jolly and it was it looked heavy like if you were to head it. I think those bones are so thick on the on the head. I think if even if you had a pistol and shot at it, it was heavy enough that it looked like it probably wouldn't penetrate the bone and get into any soft issue,
honestly, but it really didn't have much of a neck. It had to have some kind of a neck though, because when it was on a spider crawl, its head was looking up towards that deer. I don't even think he was cared about me. I think he actually thought, you know what, I'll just take advantage of this guy's headlights and I could see this deer easier. It made his job easier. I don't think he was scared of me. I don't think he cared about me one way or another.
He would have if I would have hit his deer. But I think it's mission. I think I interrupted a hunt. I think I was right in the middle of a hunt. There may have been more than the one over on the side of the road because it just seemed like a perfect ambush place that something like I would think of if I was hunted. But with that, it's pretty much the way I thought and my theory. It seemed like this county I'm at where my cabin is now up here, it was another
I measured it out today on the way up here to the cabin. It was seven miles from where I saw this sasquatch my cabin. So in between it's a big lake. Well, not very far from here, you have the Ohio River. The Ohio River cuts Indiana and Kentucky a park, so where the river is I theorize that these sasquats move up and down along the river bank. The river bank always is a flood zone, so there's very
few developments there, and I think the rivers. We also have the Green River up by Spotsville, and some people might have heard of the Spotsville Monster. That's a whole nother thing. But that's not that far from here either. So the Green River comes off the Ohio River. So I think these things travel the river banks, and the problem is when it gets to my
hometown of Owensboro. Owensboro has a significant riverfront with the high retaining wall, so they have a park right there on the riverfront, and it's all developed in the downtown is actually right there on the river. So I think that it pushes these things. If they're following the river, they get close to Owensboro and they don't have a choice but to either swim across the river to
Indiana or to go way over to Breckinridge County, Davis County. Davis County is where Owensbrough is, but you'll see more sightings in the back part of Davis County, Ohio County, Breckenridge County, back around before you get to Louisville, back down by the river. So I think it's a travel area and I'm finding out a lot when I talk to other people. There does
seem to be a lot of sightings around here. The other thing I theorize is that Mammoth Cave is not but sixty miles from where my cabin sits. I've talked to farmers all the time that still find hidden entrances to caves around these parts of Kentucky that they didn't know exist, and a lot of them from the university like U of l and Kentucky. They research and they are finding more branches of these cave systems, and they think that they're all intertwined
somehow. Maybe at some point they all connect with Mammouth Cave. Now, Mammoth Cave is already one of the biggest caves in the world. So now you got all these other caves. Well, if you think about it, a cave year round is fifty some degrees. Well, what a perfect place to spend the winter. If you get nasty in the winter, it's a perfect place. You know, when there's not trees on the leaves you need
to lay low, or it could be a migrating zone. But I think between those two things, I think that this area has more sightings than what people realize. Some of them get reported, some don't go reported. Like at the time when I saw mine, who do you report it to? I figured, if I call a game ord and they're going to laugh, I call the police. What are they going to do? You saw something out in the woods stalking a deer? So I think that so many people
see things out here. And as I talk around the lake to different people, you know, some people laugh and so forth. That's fine, But a lot of people will pull you aside and say, you know, I believe you because I've had this happen or that happen. It's like when I worked at the hospital. You know, I still worked there, but when I was during the COVID, I was on the nurses station one night and it was an unusually busy night. Well at times, everybody's got to take
a break. So we were all in this nursing station. There was a couple of doctors sitting there, and I think somebody was trying to stir it up a little bit. They said, hey, John, tell about your sasquad story. So at this point it just happened like a month or two prior. So I thought, well, all right, I'll tell it. I'm not going to at fifty six. I don't care if people want to laugh or whatnot. So I told the story just like what I just told
here a minute ago. And some of them giggled. And there was a doctor and one other nurse that she sat there, and the doctor sat there and he didn't say anything, but some of the other nurses laughed. Well, they got up to I guess they went to go check on their patients, or maybe they went to human resources to say, hey, the sky might be on drugs. You need'd have them go into a little cup or
something. You know, you think stuff like that too, But I don't care to tell people, and I'm not going to tell my patients that and have them think their nurse has something wrong with them. But when the staff asks, I tell them. And anyway, so the doctor and this one nurse stayed back and I said, well, what's the deal with you two? You guys didn't laugh like everybody else. Then this doctor says, well, I believe you because I've got some property that's not very far from where
you had your sighting. And I was up in a deer stand the year before and he saw one from the deer stand. So this other lady, she lived over towards Fordsville, over in Ohio County, on the back side of Fordesville, which wasn't very far, and they have property there that they've
had something visit their apple orchards several times that they had questions about. So I know they're around, and I know they're around this area, and a lot of people here don't like to talk about them, but I feel like it's worth sharing the story because there's a lot of things that we can learn by sharing if you just hold it in. I think that it's not healthy anyway. I think it's cathartic to be able to talk about these things.
So what really happened in the aftermath of all this? Once I got to my cabin and I was working on I told earlier that I was working on a fishing book, the stories about me and my father, Funny fishing Stories. Seemed like it was a pretty funny book. But it gave me time to finish that. Well. After that, I thought I quarantined for the seven days. At the end of my quarantine, I had to go back
home the same way that I came. So I thought, well, I'm going to stop over in that area and see if I see anything, maybe a carcass of the deer or something. So I got to the same area and I pulled over by the shoulder of the road. I couldn't go on the property because it was private property, but since it was November, the fields were all tilled down to the ground. Well, maybe I see a carcass out there because it was daytime, and maybe at least i'd see a
set of horns land there. But I didn't see anything, and it could have got further out of range with it where it made the kill. But I know it killed this deer, and it could be if it killed it there there, if you could see the horns from the road, somebody could have gone up there and cut the horns off. You'll see people do that. They'll see a dead buck on the side of the road and they'll take
the horns. So it could be something like that. But I didn't see any more evidence, and there was nowhere to really look for footprints or whatnot. It was pretty thick and brush you right on the side of the road, and then you had the ditch with trees and everything. There really was nothing to see. So then months later I thought about it, you know, multiple times, and I was sitting out at my campfire one night.
I got a little fire pit here at the cabin, and I started thinking, you know, I'm gonna start researching and reaching out to others and see what other people had to say that have seen these sasquatch on all fours and I'd heard other people staying it, but I didn't know it was very prevalent,
so I started checking around. I reached out on a couple of different websites, and I got After I started finding information, I thought, you know what, there's never been a book about the sightings dealing with Sasquatch on all fours, and so I started. The more information I started gathering, I started asking people that I was talking to, do you mind if I write a book if I use your story? And sure most of them say yes. There's several times I've talked to people then they shared their story,
but then didn't want the story out there in public. I've had other people I've talked to They've told me, yes, use my story in your book, but just don't use my name. Like there's one lady she's a mayor in a town. I won't say what town it is, but she did not want her name for you know, obvious reasons. So there's people to talk about it. Some of them want to be anonymous. Some of them don't care if you like me, don't care if you use their name.
Other people share, but then they kind of back out because they're timid or they don't want people to think ill of them. If you know, there's some non believers, and adults can be bullies, just like children bullying is wrong. I see people bully on Bigfoot websites. I don't know why people join some of these sites so they can go in there and bully people. I go on those sites to see what people have to say and learn.
You know, sometimes some stories sound fabulous, but my story to me doesn't sound fabulous, but to another person it would if they've never seen anything. So I don't know when other people have seen other things that they've told me about. I can't dispute that because a year before my sighting, I would have thought somebody was a little off if they told my story. So I go on those sites and like to, you know, be helpful and contribute,
not ridicule. And so I think that the Sasquatch community there's good people in there, and there there's some of them that want to attack people. But I'm find writing this book it's really fun. I'm finding a lot and at this point I'm halfway done. I hope to publish it by February. I don't know if I'll use the same book publisher I did my last one or not. I haven't decided. But in the meantime, it's great to learn, and like I say, I don't think there's ever been a book
that I've seen that deals just with the spider cross sightings. I've reached out to several anthropologists to try to get some information from them that I can use
in my book and so forth. So I think that in between the sightings I've gotten, I've reached out to a game warden that might be willing to talk, So I'm hoping to get some more besides just witness testimony, maybe some mechanical information from an anthropologist that can have some insight on how the muscle groups would have to work and how a creature would be able to do something like this on all fours and the spider moving the moving sideways forward back,
and then other people see them running on all fours. I've talked to several witnesses that saw him running like really fast. So I find the whole subject fascinating. So that's where I'm at right now, is writing this book, and that's pretty much it for now. That sure does sound like an ambitious project to me. Well, my last book that I wrote was about phishing stories, so that was all stuff from my memory. I'd never written a book before. It took me a while, so I wasn't prepared how difficult
this would be because this is a lot more labor intensive. It's contacting witnesses, it's getting information, it's getting back in touch with them, getting more information. Then you start writing. Then you realize, oh boy, I don't have a color of all the talk and I did to this person, I didn't never ask what color it was, so then you'd contact back what color was. Then you think of one or two other questions, and then
other ones. I've actually had written a whole chapter, and then the person decided not to go through with putting their sighting after over half five or six hours invested in, you know, putting all their information together and contacting them and then writing the chapter about their sighting. Which that's fine. I'd rather know ahead of time before I would I use up all the time to write the chapter. But I'm finding it's a lot more work than what I've bargained
for. But it's rewarding and I think at the end, I think it's going to be a pretty cool book. I still like to use the word cool. I know kids like that, but I feel like I'm a big kid. I'm an adult, and I still do things that some people might think child, I still like to go fishing. I get excited the night before I can't sleep. So this is getting kind of making me feel good and constructive, like I'm doing something that's gonna matter. And as such,
I contacted this young man, this lady I work with. There was one day he was doing some drawings for their church for a book and I said, boy, he's really good. And I said, do you think that he could draw sasquatch for me on all fours? And I wanted this book cover to be totally different. And the thing that's really cool is, you know the young people. He was into graphic novels. So I thought, you know what, let's see what we can do. So I spent a
long time. I met the fella, and we spent a lot of time talking. And the first time I contacted him, I was on the phone and kind of tell him. I described what I saw, and at the end of the phone call, he goes, before you get off the phone, look at you. I just send you a picture that I drew And I said, well, when did you draw it? And he said,
well, I drew it while we were on the phone. I said, you got to be kidding me. I can't mind the task like that, but he sent me destroying That was a rough outline drawing, but it was good. So then we spent another hour and a half on the phone. We really got into it and he's got all these computer programs and his artwork, and next thing you know, we end up we're almost done with the cover, and I think it's going to be different from any kind of book
anybody's ever seen. And the picture's fascinating. If you go on Google pictures of sasquat spider crawl on the internet, if you get on the Google, you won't find but I think I found three pictures that represent a sasquat spider crawl and there's very few images. So I think this is going to be an image that people will be able to look at and say, that's what I saw. And this kid was very in tune. I think sometimes younger people, I say he's a kid, I think he's sixteen. He's not
really a kid, but a teenager, older teenager. But I think sometimes people that age they notice more things around them, and sometimes they're very good listeners and pick things up. You know, some people are very silent and they just listen to adults and pick things up, and others aren't. This kid learns quickly from me talking to him. When he drew the picture, everything that I described to him, he had indeed tail down to that.
In this I never really saw really good on the spider, but it looked to me like it was on its toes and fingers. I know its toes were its feet were bent down, and it was on its hands. It's on the picture. He drew it on its fingers and toes, and he did a phenomenal job. I was really proud of him. So anyway, that's that listening to you describe that book and everything that's going to be in it and the picture that's going to be on the cover. I think cool
is a good way to sum it up. It does sound like it's going to be a cool buck. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option. To find out how, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com, Forward Slash podcast finding Sasquatch Eyewitnesses. John. It'sn't all that hard anymore in this day and each but how much trouble have you had trying to find eyewitnesses who've
actually seen them spider crawling. Well, I've had and had trouble finding. Put it this way. I've had a lot of people come forward some stories I haven't been able to use because they really weren't crawling. And I appreciate it. I told them up front, I really like your story and appreciate it. But there were stories that I couldn't really use because I didn't want to get It's kind of like years ago when I used to goose hunt as
a kid. You'd be by the Missouri River and they'd give you a shotgun, and when the geese fly over, people just point up in the air and shoot when they see a flock of geese. And one older man that hunted with us told me, pick one goose and shoot it. If you shoot to the flocks, you're going to miss everything. And I feel like it's the same way with this Sasquatch book. My premise was to set out with spider cross sightings, so if they devate away from those, it's going
to distract from the book and the stories. You know, there's other great books out there that have the other kind of sightings, but I wanted to sense a books the limited size, you know, I wanted to make sure that it was just dealt with the sasquatch spider crawl. Now, some of the witnesses had several sightings, and I included those as long as one of their sightings were on all fours because I think it kind of gives them more
context if they've seen something before. It kind of is interesting to have them compare what they saw on two feet versus what they saw there. So those stories I've included in them in there too, but I'd like to stick just with the spider crawl type of episodes. I think they're very mysterious. They're, to use another word, very creepy and frightening. And my theory is that a lot of these sasquatches used to not hear is about people saying they
saw them on all fours as often. But I theorized that with all the development and all the we're encroaching as our population gets bigger, we're encroaching more and more into areas that were formerly wilderness. I think these things are adaptable, and I think that they have the foresight to know well, I don't want to be seen like standing right out here. I think if I dropped all fours and I'm in these bushes, nobody will see me. And that
brings me to another point. I think that a lot of times when we're walking through the woods, we look at eye level, we look at things that are eye level. We don't always look down, we don't always look up. And the other thing that we look for motion. I think that there's lots of hunters, lots of hikers that walk right past these things that are either just stalped on all fours next to a tree. From the periphery, you just write it off as a stump, or they can squatch down
and fold their head down. It looks like a stump from the distance. So I think a lot of that. And then also people don't look up. There might be one in a tree that they didn't think to look up there. So it's kind of like I would put it like if at a grocery store, if you're marketing a grocery store, you go into the groceries and all your higher prices are all at eye level. The stuff that the store makes the most money on, they put everything at eye level on the
shelf. Now they'll put your bargains where you have to work at it and squat down and get low or get really high up and reach that's where your bargains are. And I think that's just human nature because they know that we're going to look just straight ahead and look at what's at e level. I think the same thing with fishing. If I'm going to bank fish somewhere,
I don't go to the place. If I'm going to just fish at a park, I look at where the worn out places at the pond, where everybody's setting their lawn chair, those are the place of the fish sea all the time people coming. I'm the type of going to wear some waiters or boots. I'm going to go off into the mosquito and snake grin and weeds on the backside, and I will guarantee I'll catch more fish back over there than sitting on my lawn chair up front. And I think it's just the
way when we're in the woods, I think that we're fairly noisy. We would like to think we're quiet. Even hunters that are really good at their craft usually have to stop up on a tree stand or whatnot to sometimes get so of their trophies because those animals get wise and they can hear us come, and they know what an unnatural noise is. Anything that's on our clothes
isn't going to make natural noise. So I think that it's a matter of with this being on all fours, I think that they've adapted and they can drop down just as another way to hide. And I think they also can stalk, like what I saw. I saw him stalking those deer, and I think that the deer gets confused, they don't know what's going on. It is really amazing how they can just drop down on all fours and be of fluid when they do it. But then again, they do so many
things that are just so hard to wrap your mind around. Do you think you still would have written that book if you wouldn't have seen them Spider Crown? I am almost sure that I would not have because I didn't really know. I mean, I've heard of it before then, and since I've researched it, I realized that it was You know how usually when somebody develops a product, they do it. What's these saying necessity is the mother of invention. I just found out it was necessary to have a book out there.
I couldn't find many resources when I was researching it. There's not published resources that really talk too much about the spider crawl. So I thought, well, why don't I be the one to put a resource out there to get
people started and interested. But I honestly think I probably would not have had I not seen it, because I wouldn't have really known that it was an under if we're a lack of a better term, underserved area of the sasquatch world that just doesn't get talked about a whole lot, and just starting to hear about it a little more now. But even on a lot of the websites that are four bigfoot, when I've asked about witnesses, a lot of people say, what's a spider crawl? What does that mean? On all
fours? So even people that are familiar with Bigfoot and follow there's a lot of them that don't know about it. That's a good point. Yeah, that is a side of them that's almost totally untouched. Several things about how these spider crawl are awfully hard to explain. If you take them to be ordinary creatures with no special abilities, do you think they do have special abilities? John, or do you think they don't have any at all. I
think that their special ability is high intelligence. I think they're more intelligent than anything else that resides in the woods. I don't know what they're more intelligent than a human, but I know they're more intelligent than a human in the woods in their realm. I think that these things communicate. There's too many witnesses that have seen or heard language. I think they have a language, so I think that they can pass stories on and I think that that's why
they have a healthy respect for humans. I think that these things know, oh, I could kill that human and no time, but they also know from hearing other stories, when a human disappears or gets hurt, there's a whole bunch more human show up into the woods. Well, if I lived in the woods, that's the last thing I want, so I would probably try to walk that peron out of the woods, or stay hidden or scare them away, because if they heard a human, I think they're smart enough
to know that we'll come in the woods with guns and so forth. I think they know what guns are, and I'm sure they've observed people hunting, and you know, I don't necessarily think that some of them would get dropped with the gun, but even if you're really big, it still doesn't feel good. If you're getting hitting the knees with the hammer or hitting the chest with the hammer, you're probably not going to mess with it too much.
And I also think there's extreme cases where some of these sasquatches have maybe gotten so out of hand that military has been brought in. There's several good stories out there are people that have had times where the military was involved, And I think that the government knows about these things, and I think they'll send the military in at last resort if they have a nuisance one. So I think that as these things talk and communicate, I think they are pretty smart
and notice stay away from humans for the most part. I don't know what if they would be more intelligent than humans, I would say they are when it comes to their realm in the woods. I think they're way more intelligent than we are when it comes to the woods. That's just not our Even as good of a hunter as the best hunters we've got, I think, as good as people can be in the woods, these things are way much better because they've evolved and developed in the forest. Oh sure, no doubt.
Yeah, I think the fact that they have alluded detection and there's still not proven to be in existence is all the proof you need to back up that statement. So yeah, I'd say you're definitely right. Do you think the fact you saw him spider crawling change the impact that sighting had on you compared to how you would have been affected if you would have only seen them
on two legs? I do. I think that a lot of the stories I've heard on your show and stories that I've talked to people for this book, there's stories out there that are definitely scarier than mine, but for me, scary enough. I was inside of a vehicle and I didn't feel like it when I heard that crashing on the side in the woods on my right side. I didn't feel like if the thing really wanted me, I think it would have caught up to me before I could have sped out of there.
So I didn't feel one hundred percent safe, and I didn't know what else. You know, you get to looking at one thing, something could come up behind me. I had one deciding that flaty I talked to in a book, they were looking forward at one to one come up behind their car, So you know, you got stuff happen like that. So it was scary. But I know if I saw it on two feet, I would be probably just as scared. I kind of feel like I was more.
I would say the word horrified. I think I would have been scared if it was on two feet, thinking oh my god, this just became real, But then seeing it down on four it made it more mysterious and more unexplained, more like, even though it was moving, bless and blood, it seemed more supernatural on four feet, I think is the best word I could explain that. It's no contest with me. I'd much have to see one on two legs, even if it was twelve feet tall. There's
just something so creepy about them spider crawling. Yeah, I just don't think i'd want to see that. Yeah, if you don't mind, I've got permission from one lady if I could share one small I won't give you every detail because it's so much more to it than this, but one story that I've worked on with a spider crawl up close, if I could share a quick one, yeah, please tell us. Okay, So there's a couple in northern Alabama. She works in the city and her Her husband's in an
Air force at the Air Force base there. Well, they had recently moved to that area and both of them are turkey hunters. Well, they researched in Alabama where the best place to get a turkey was, and they found this county called Barber County and there's a land mass there that a public land masks. I think it's like forty some thousand acres. So they thought, well, I think it was April when the hunting season was gonna be,
so that November. There's a campground there. It's kind of what they call a dry campground, and it's open year round, so you go up your own risk and you know, weather the elements, but it's a you know, they have like cleared out sites and so forth. So they have a small tear drop camper. They decided, we'll go spend a couple of days up there. We'll park the camper and we'll learn the area, go on foot, go through all the trails, and kind of see come springtime where
we'd like to to turkey hunt. So they did that. They spend the whole day out there looking around, and they were gonna spend that night there and then the next day do the same thing, spend the night, and leave the next day. So they're gonna stay two nights. So that first day they walked all day, walked all over and they were really enjoying themselves. So they come back to their tear drop camper and they've got a lawn chair. It's kind of part sideways. There's a fire pit i'd say about
fifteen feet in front of them. The couple, man and woman sitting in their lawn chair with their back to their camper and joining their fire. So all of a sudden, the wife says, you know, while we're sitting here, I've just thought about I haven't used my turkey call in a couple of years. So she got her turkey call. Now this is dark already, you know, it's fall. It's probably not too late. So she gets out of her camp or her turkey call, and she's sitting there at
the campfire for twenty minutes practicing different kind of calls. I can't remember the name of the calls, but she was like rattling off all the different types of calls and anyway, so she did this for like twenty minutes, and all of a sudden, her husband's like, honey, look and at the end of their campfire, over on the left side, maybe about another ten yards past the camp there's this spider looking animal with the huge human head,
human shape head, she said, bigger than a human. But it wasn't there again. This one didn't have a big crest on it, but had come around the trees and the camp site and looked at it, and she was scared of death. She quit doing the turkey call. But the thing like moved forward, sideways forward, didn't get too close to the fire, and then it wasn't long before the husband said, oh my god, there's another one. The one on the right come out of the trees, and
it was on all fours. It wasn't as big as the one on the left. So the one on the right starts coming up, but kind of more timid than that one. So this other one on the left kept getting closer and closer and closer. She says. She got it within about twelve to fifteen feet of this thing, and she didn't know what to do. She said, I was paralyzed. I couldn't scream. And she said, these people that say, why didn't you get a picture? She said,
I thought I was gonna die. That's the last thing in my mind. I thought about getting the camera, and her husband all of a sudden starts saying the Lord's Prayer out loud and slowly. The one on the right backs up, the one on the left slowly backs up, and both of them go around and stand up and take off through the woods. They never had
another encounter that night. The rest of the night, it was really late and it's a really far trail they go down to the camping, so they were scared to hook up and get out of there, so they stayed awake all night putting wood on the fire. As soon as sun up came, they got out of there and never came back. But they actually went the following spring and went hunting. Can you imagine how long of a night that must have been for them, Well, you could tell. When I was
talking to her, she broke down. Her husband had a consoler, and both of them were shook, and they said it was the scariest, longest night of their life. They could not get the stun to come up fast enough. But she said she really thought that if they got in their vehicle and drove, it's like a trail road that goes down in this campground. She said, it's about a seven mile drive out of there. So she said, I just had visions of us being a more danger if we got
in the car, so she thought. She said she felt like the fire kept him a little bit honest. So they kept putting firewood on there. That enough would for a couple of days worth the fire. So she said they used it all that night. Wow, those poor people. Yeah, I'd say they did make the right decision by staying all night, But definitely wasn't an easy decision, no doubt about that. No, she said, they did what they made a business decision me and the business of living.
Yeah, I'd say they did. You said, the one you saw was on his fingers and toes John when he was spider crawling. But did it look to you like you might have been on his belly or did it look like his belly was off the ground. His belly was definitely off the ground. I've had some people tell me they've seen their bellies actually on the ground. This one, I want to say, it was three or four foot high where his face was at, So he was his arms and legs,
And that's another thing that comes up. Their joints do not seem like they're in the right place. For if you kind of picture a human being in our anatomy, you kind of picture where our elbow is our knees, they're roughly like right in the middle. This thing seemed like it had longer four arms, and they were so the arms were stretched out like you think, almost like a linebacker lining up in a football game. But its arms were stretched out and then bent down. So it's kind of hard to explain,
but I think it put it it's belly. There was at least a foot and a half of air in between his belly and the ground. The joints on the legs just seemed to spread out so far and then fold down. They weren't folded close to the body like if you see a I don't know, like a chimpanzee. I've seen videos of them on all fours their limbs are closed. These seem like they were extremely long and then bent down. And where they were bent, they elbows had to bend further down the arm
than ours. And the same thing with the knees. That'd be so freaky to see. Well. One of the things too, that I noticed when this thing stood up after it started to the deer and rose up on two. It didn't bob like we do. You know, when we jog, we even a good runner, their head bobs to a degree. This did not bob. And I think part of it's because their knees are lower and when they take steps, it keeps them fluid, and I think it makes
them faster because they're not wasting energy with the bobbing up and down. Every bit of calories they're putting in there is to motate forward, and they're smooth their head. If you watch the hat, it did not bounce. If you think about it, Joggers are taught not to bob up and down when they run. It's more efficient to just keep your head leveling as smooth as possible. Like you said, so, yeah, maybe there's something to that. Yeah, it's kind of if you ever think of a do you ever
see a flamingo. A lot of people think that flamingos are bending their ankles. Funny, those aren't actually their ankles, those are their knees. Their knees are way down just above their foot, so they look weird when they're walking. Be something you know, similar to flamingo. Maybe they're maybe not to that extreme, but maybe these joints are lower and it gives them some
kind of more muscle mass on those calfs and whatnot. I'm not sure, but it seemed like the way their joints are put together is made for the type of movements that they're doing. And I think that Spider movement goes right in that wheelhouse of having the specialized joints to be able to do that. Well, they're able to do the things they do for some reason. Then you just might have hit it on the head. It's hard to say, yeah, it's it's no tanneling. I mean, I guess over the years
we'll learn more and more. Well we might or might not, Huh. These facts are pretty slow to come by. Yeah. Part of it, though, I think that people in the in the Bigfoot community kind of eat eat our own. Like I see people like I was talking about earlier, getting on the websites and going after people, and then they'll say when somebody else calls them on it, well I believe I just didn't believe that part
of their story or whatever. But I think that keeps the progress from happening when people are trying to tear each other down instead of helping and saying, you know, maybe people be more constructive, like, hey, that part of your story, I have something in common with that. I saw it move the same way, and then you start talking to that person and you can kind of build on that and learn instead of attacking people. There's always
the cups half full. You can always find in somebody's story is something that's worth exploring. Oh, sure you can. Yeah, you're right. The Bigfoot community is definitely it's on worst enemy. Unfortunately. Well, it's about time for us to call it here, John, But before we do three things about your book. Number one, do you know what the title is going to be? And then number two, where are we going to be able to buy it after it is published? And then number three, when
do you think it is going to be published? Okay, well, I'll start backwards and work forward. I think it'll be published. My target is February, and the publisher my last book I published on forty eight Hour Books. They don't have it on Amazon. I've been working with Amazon. There's a few things that I won't get into all the little details about it. There's a few things that I like about selling them on Amazon, and a few things that I don't. So if you put on Amazon, you have
to do an ebook first before you can do the regular book. And there's a few other things that I'm looking at. But if I don't do it on there, I'm not sure at this point how I'll marketed. It would probably just be like the last book I had. They put articles in several newspapers and I had good success with that and so forth. So if it's not on Amazon, I haven't decided yet at this point, out of market it. Well, it goes with that saying, I sure hope it flies
off the shelves, and I'm pretty sure it will. Please do me a favor after you do publish that book, Please let me know so I can post a link to that book in the description for tonight's show. Well, Vic, I'll sure do that. I really appreciate that too. Oh glad to do it. Well. Having said that, John, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details about your experience and for coming on to tell us about your book. Well, thanks a lot, Vic,
I really appreciate it than anybody listening out there. Just remember to keep an open mind when you're talking to people. Our experience each might be unique. Maybe somebody else is saying something different, but keep an open mind. Let's talk to each other and see if we can't put some of the pieces of the puzzle together. That's very well said. Yeah, we're going to get so much further ahead if we work together instead of fighting, so I
hope more people will remember that. But having said that, thanks again so much for your time, John, and have a great night. That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a sasquatch encounter and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com and submit a report. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening, have a great night.