Ep:95 Bigfoot and the UFOs

We were heading out to California. We basically like took six months off and traveled all over national parks, meeting my buddy and we were just camping out like the entire time. There was a few strange things that happened. There was a few strange things that happened. We get out to Death Valley. I don't know if you're familiar with like the Panamin Mountains out in Death Valley. Supposedly that's where they found these like giants and some caves out there.

There's like a bunch of caves out there, and there's you know, there's all kinds of stories about the giants that they found there, very remote and accessible, and so I was camping out in Panama Valley, like it was my favorite place out there. So I had camped out there bunch. But this particular night, like heard this crazy like gorilla sound way from way up in the mountains. It was just like kind of thing, but it was like so loud. The sound filled up the entire valley. It sounded like

maybe it could have been two people. But then I was like, wait, that's going from like way up in those mountains. There's a little chance that anyone's up there doing that at like two in the morning. The scale of that place is so massive, Like I don't even think if you were a person with a normal lung capacity, you couldn't even inverberate like that. And it went on for hours. I was like, damn, that's big flock. It was strange. Never heard anything like that before or since.

But all I can just all I can say is it sounded like a gorilla, like a stereotypical gorilla. I'd like to welcome Brian to Bigfoot Crossroads. Brian emailed me a while back, a really interesting story. Brian, thanks for coming on. Good to talk to you. Hey, thank you, it's great to be here. Yeah, let's just get right into it if you don't mind, like you did in the email, just walk us through what happened, all right. So in the email, I was basically talking

about the Bigfoot stuff, but there's also some other likes. I don't know if you would want to call it alien or just some other weird stuff that happened. So I'll I'll keep the two separate, okay. Yeah, And if we have time, I can go into the alien stuff. Oh we'll make time, Okay. Cool, but yeah, so this all started,

well, I guess back in Maine. I was kind of at a crossroads in life, you might say pun intended, and was basically doing this job on that or banks in North Carolina and decided I wanted to go up to New England. Had some family up there, and just like figure out the next move. So this was like the Winner of two thousand and five and or like maybe you know Slash two thousand and six. Yeah, and it up there and I'm like, what do I want to do, and I'm

like, maybe I'll just go study herbal medicine. That sounds fun. So because I had kind of been into that for a while and I was like, this was like right at the start of the Internet, and I guess you know, around there. But I ended up finding this lady that does herbal medicine out in rural Maine, and I was like, all right, this looks cool, and my my aunt and uncle thought I was kind of crazy, but I was like, I'm just going to go check this lady

out. And this was like April. Oh wait, this was March. I think I stayed up there for a little while and then in March I decided I was going to go over there, and so it's still like cold, and you know, I didn't know what I was getting into, didn't have a cell phone or I don't think she had answered her phone, and so I just decided to just go out there. Ended up getting out there

late at night, and basically no one was there. It was just completely dark, and I had had a hard time finding the place because we found

out later the snowplow had taken out the mailbox that winter. But uh so I get there and I see a little fire pit, so I'm just like, you know, start a fire, and I like playing some guitar by the fire, and I don't know, it's probably like nine or ten o'clock the night, maybe later, And right right like right when I start playing guitar, I hear this like ridiculous, crazy scream coming from the wood line because there was like a big field and then the woodline was probably like I

don't know, quarter mile away and then it just goes off in the woods for forever. And yeah, I heard this like crazy scream and it sounded like how best I could put it is it sounded like a mechanical wolf. Okay, yeah, it was. It was just like had this mechanical kind of sound to it, but it was it sounded like a wolf howl and but also like a scream. And I had never heard anything like that before, like heard a bunch of coyotes in Vermont and you know, potentially some

other maybe like there's some wolves around there. I don't know, but I've heard some, you know, all those animals, and this was nothing like that. And you know there's like moose up there and stuff like that. Definitely not that. And you haven't even like talked to the lady at this point. You're just out there by yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't tell her I was coming. Uh yeah, So nobody was there and I was just like, all right, well, I'm just gonna stay here.

And h apparently she had she goes to Italy for the winters and I didn't know that, so nobody was gonna be around there for a while. And yeah, so I don't know, man, I don't know what that was. But I got freaked out and I just jumped in my van and stayed there the rest of the night. It was freaky. It was a freaky. Yeah, yeah, I would say, so just uh yeah, you're brave. For just doing that to begin with. But then like stupid you hear that and you don't really know where you are or anything, just by

yourself, Like all right, we're in it. Yeah, yeah, it's getting real. Uh So yeah, I just go to sleep, and then the next morning I was like going out to fix that mailbox. So I found this old like cedar pole or whatever and put up the mailbox. And then the neighbors come over and they're like, what are you doing over here? And I was like, oh, I was just gonna meet this lady. And they were like, yes, she's not coming back here for like

another month. So long story short, I ended up meeting this neighbor organic dairy farmer, and he takes me kind of like under his wing and teaches me all about like organic methods for treating cattle. And I was living on a shed out on his land for like a month until she came back, and that was really cool. And then when she came back, she accepted

me as a prentice for the year. And so this was about like maybe April May when I when she came back and I moved over there and I met this girl, Raach and we were we kind of became like fast friends, and we started exploring all over the property looking for herbs. And I had basically forgotten about the screen thing, like nothing happened out at Guy's dairy farm or anything like that, and I would basically just like walk around at night, like you know, with all the cows, and nothing else weird

happened. So but anyway, so we're we're walking around exploring that day, probably like the next like the day after I got there or something, and came out to the middle of nowhere and there was this big clearing out in the woods, just like this big clearing, and right in the middle of the clearing was this old stone circle, probably about like ten foot in diameter. Yeah, kind of weird. Yeah, I don't think that the lady knew about this. It wasn't like on her property. It was like off

her property, on this like this neighbor's property. And there wasn't any trails to get out to this place. I mean, I don't know, you know, maybe she was into some witchcraft stuff, or maybe this was like a old pagan thing from the way before, or maybe it was like a Native American thing. I have no idea, but I know that the stone circles is a big thing and like the pagan culture, I guess, and it's associated with like fairies and like you don't want to go into the fairy

ring kind of thing. And uh so, like we were just kind of goofing off and like jumping around all in the all in the fairy ring, I guess, he might say, and you know, not really thinking anything of it. And then later that night, probably about dusk, we were just hanging out in the herb house is what we called it. It was like this old, dilapidated structure and basically I was like going to walk out to my van to get some tobacco, and walking from the earth House of

my band, there's like no lights. I don't even think I had my headlamp on. I don't even know if I had a headlamp. It was just it wasn't super dark, but it wasn't. Yeah, I knew where. There was like a big trail through the tall grass, so you could you could get there pretty easily. And as I'm coming back from that,

there's like this thing. It was like it looked like a tree stump in the trail or like right off to the side of the trail, and it was I just like stopped and I was like, I remember that, that's weird, and I'm just like stopping and looking at this thing. And then right then it just like stands up and then it starts like hobbling over to me, like really fast, like coming towards you. Yeah. Yeah, I just definitely got the hair rising on my Yeah. They came right for

me. And the weird thing about it was well, I mean, if that's not weird enough, it had like this like a limp and the lady, the medicine lady, you know, she walked with a limp because she had polio when she was a kid, and this same walk kind of like how she was walking, but she didn't move like this bath and like she wasn't. Yeah, so I don't think it was her like playing a joke on She wasn't like that. But it was about her height and it walked

kind of like her. And my first impression was like, or after I thought about a little bit, you know, I was like, damn, it seemed like it was mimicking how she walked. Whatever that thing was. Yeah, but of note, when it stood up, it just like stood straight up from a crouch position like I've heard like big food do. It just stood straight up, like it didn't use his hands or anything. It just went like straight up. I mean, was it like covered in hair

and all that? So, yeah, it was like pretty dark, but I kind of just I kind of just saw the outline of it, but it was like completely black whatever it was, and it was like definitely like covered in some hair or you know, I'll get into what else it could have been in a second, but like, yeah, it was definitely covered

in some kind of hair. And yeah, unfortunately, like I was just so shocked by it didn't happen so fast that I didn't really get a good look at it because it was kind of you know, like I said, it was pretty dark too, So I mean you said it was like coming towards you, So like how close did it get? Did it eventually like turn and run off or what happened? I turned and ran off? Okay? No, it was like it seemed like okay, so when I first

saw it, it was probably like twenty feet away, huh. And then when it when I turned to run off, it was like almost right next to me. Wow, Like if I had if I hadn't moved, it would have grabbed me or you know, pushed me. I don't know what it was going to do, but it seemed like it was pissed off. And I always thought it was because we were playing around in that fairy circle and that was like the same day, Yeah, that was the same day. Wow. And then when I came in and told her about it,

she'd like turned white as a ghost. And even today when I tell her about that, like she does not want to talk about it. Really. Yeah, so like whatever, I don't know if she saw something or whatever, but it freaked her out, probably more than it freaked me out. And I was pretty freaked out. But like we were camping outside, you know, Like so maybe that's why she didn't want to talk about it,

because yeah, I don't know, but it was just weird. I don't know what that was, but the way how it moved and how fast it was, there was no way that it was that old lady. She had to walk around with a cane, so anyone thinking that it was definitely not that. So what else is gonna be help? I mean, yeah, I mean it couldn't can't just say it wasn't a person, obviously, but you know, it just I didn't get that vibe at all. I mean, people usually talk to one another, they don't just like stand up and

start coming at you. It was almost like it was I saw it because it was trying to crouch there, like maybe it was gonna ambush me or whatever. But like, well, when it stood up and started running towards me, it was like, oh, you saw me. So I don't know, dude. And was it like on the trail itself, No, it was, uh, it was kind of like in the grass off to the side a little bit, but it was definitely like close to the trail. It was definitely close to the trail, and it was definitely like facing

the trail. Yeah, that's so weird, especially the way that you're describing how it walked. You know, I whenever I was younger, I knew some older adults that both had polio whenever they were younger, So I know that walk that you're talking about. Yeah, and it is kind of almost like I had to say, have a kind of like an orangutang walking on two legs, kind of like that rocking side to side as they walk kind

of like that. Yeah, Yeah, that's so weird. Though, I mean, did you experience any other strange things besides the scream and that while you were there? Yeah, so I alluded to that that was going to mention what else it could have been if it wasn't covered with fur. Yeah, And so a couple of days later, we were having lunch out on the porch and her partner, this cool old guy Jack, who has since you know, he passed on a couple maybe like a year after this or

something. But we were just sitting there having lunch and he just like looks up and then he just like looks back down and he's like, I just saw Uh. I don't remember exactly what he said, but he's like, he just saw like this black creature walking down this little trail like off close to the woodline. And he said it was wearing a black skunk cape with like a little pointy hat. And I'm like what because I hadn't told him about I hadn't told I don't know why, but I didn't tell them about

seeing that thing a couple of days before. But yeah, he was like, yeah, I saw that. And I was like, well, what do you think that was? And he was like, I don't know. So there's that. So I always called it the skunk gnome, and I was thinking, like, well, maybe that was like a gnome or something, because there's like no mythology up in that area, and they they're purported to be like kind of you know, malevolent and protective of stuff. Yeah.

How how tall did he say? It was probably like four or five feet maybe less than that, but it wasn't It was definitely like not an average like a average person's eyes. It was short, and it was wearing like a skunk pelt type cape. Yeah, he saw it walking away, so he didn't see it from the front, but it was wearing long black like cape or whatever, and it had like skunk stripes down the middle of it and then like a black kind of like little pointy hat. That's just

so crazy, I mean, like, what is that? What do you do with that? I mean, like, because you also found like the big stone ring out in the woods, you know, Yeah, and then you have your experience and then this guy who I think you Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems like in the email you were talking about kind of like he's not the type that would just like come up with a crazy story like

this. Uh, no, I mean he was a little eccentric, yeah, you know, but like he was like a really great guy, like you know, he wasn't out there trying to fool people or just crazy as Canadians like that. And it just like lined up so perfectly with what I seen and the strange stuff that had been going on there that past couple of days and even that month before there was that weird scream, And why would he he didn't know any of that stuff, Like, why would he just

come up with that out of the blue. So in Oklahoma, I've definitely heard, you know, stories about what the Native Americans called little people, Yes, but I mean those are like nowhere near that size, right right. Yeah, I've heard some California and stuff, and they're like real short, like real little. I mean, I'm trying to think of anything, uh in my rolodex of crazy information, and I can't. I don't.

I've never heard about anything like that. I don't know what that was, yeah, I mean, I like I said, I just think it. I don't know what it was. Maybe it's two different things. Maybe it was like, you know, maybe I saw like a bigfoot that one night. Maybe I saw he saw the nome creature, but for some reason, I kind of think the two are connected, and so like, apologies, I know this is Bigfoot crossroads, but maybe this is anme story, but

I'm not really sure. No, the crossroads part means everything. If anybody listening has any idea what that could have been, you know, shoot me a message or an email or something, because I'd love to hear it, because I mean, I've never i mean, wearing the animal skins and all that. I just think there was something going on there, and I don't know if it was you know, necessarily tied to it. But it's also

interesting where you were. You know. It's kind of like a medicine woman basically, you know, right right, which you would think would be very in tune with nature and the property and everything and things there might be more willing to present themselves, if that makes sense. Yep. And also she had like gardens full of like food and you know, herbs and stuff. Yeah, but yeah, totally, and she's not there, you know, for like half a year. Yeah, I mean it sounds like a perfect

place for them to come, people watch and all sorts of things. I mean, geez, I don't even know what to do with it. Me neither, and that'ud be interested if anyone has the information on that, because you know, it's just been some I've always wandered about. Yeah, that's kind of why I wanted to come on here, just to get it out there. Would you mind talking about your adventures in California? Yeah? Man,

So that's right after this on my little timeline. So after that, there was some other really weird stuff that happened in Maine, but that's more on the alien segment. So so jumping to California, basically like spring two

thousand and eight or no, winter two thousand and eight. And I don't know why I always travel in like March, but this was we left in March and we were heading out to California, and we basically like took six months off and and like just traveled all over national parks, me and my buddy, and we were just camping out like the entire time, and it was it was like the coolest, funnest trip ever. And but you know,

those a few strange things that happened. There was a few strange things that happened, which reminds me I forgot to put something in my alien timeline but uh but yeah, we get out to Death Valley and I don't know if you're familiar with like the Panamin Mountains out in Death Valley, but supposedly that's where they found these like giants and some caves out there. There's like a bunch of caves out there, and there's you know, there's all kinds

of stories about the giants that they found there. Yeah, Panamint Mountains very remote inaccessible, and uh so this is just a real quick story. You know, you can edit it out if you want. But it was like I was camping. I would drop my friend off, you would go camping back like remote for like two weeks and I would just kind of bop around in the car. And so I was camping on Panament Valley, like it was my favorite place out there, and so I had camped out there a

bunch. But this particular night, like heard this crazy like guerrilla sound way from way up in the mountains, and it was it was just like kind of thing, but it was like so loud because it the sound filled up the entire valley And at first thought it was like, oh, I'm not even gonna say what I thought it was, but it sounded like maybe it could have been two people. But then I was like, wait, that's going from like way up in those mountains, and there's there's a little chance

that anyone's up there like doing that at like two in the morning. And I don't even think if you the scale of that place is so massive, Like I don't even think if you were a person with a normal lung capacity you could even verberate like that. So that was just a weird little thing. Yeah, I mean, and this is in Death Valley. Yeah, it was in Death Valley and it went on for hours and and yeah, that was like I was like, damn, that's bigfoot. It was strange

and never heard anything like that before or since. But all I can just all I can say is it sounded like a gorilla, like a stereotypical gorilla, and completely different than the sound you heard in Maine. Oh, completely different. The one in Maine was more like the alarm sound or what do you call that, the siren call. Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like that, but also like not quite like that. I've heard that siren call out in California too. Okay, let's just get let's just jump

to that. So I was out and ended up on this farm in California, Canvas farm, and my little brother graduated in like high school, like two thousand and eight, I think. Yeah, so it was that summer, and so I took off to go see his graduation, and like I had the thing about flying, so I rode the greyhound bus across country to Virginia. Don't recommend that I didn't be a fun trip. Yeah, that's a whole nother story. But it was like so late. I was so

late. I even I ended up missing his graduation because they're just like never on time. And when I got back to California, I got dropped off at like two am and reading and had to like hitchhike back to you know where I was up in the near the trainy Alps. And then I had to walk like ten or plus miles back to this remote place where we're at.

And it was actually the night when I was walking back of the two thousan eight lightning storms that caused the massive fires in two thousand and eight out there, and it was like just hell on earth the whole summer, but this was the night when all the lightning was striking everywhere and it was intense, like you're walking out in the back country and there's just like lightning going off everywhere, but it you know, so there was just like unrest in

the air. There was just a bunch of unrest going on. And when I get out to this this bit about the halfway marker of that walk, there's like this huge ranch and like the elk some down there in my and migrate down there all every winter, and there's just like herds of elk out there. And so I'm walking through this giant, you know, far or like ranch and all of a sudden, I hear that that that cirrin call. I hear that, and I'm like, hmmm, do they got a

you know, a siren? Is there like a fire from lightning or something? That was my first thought, And I was like, they don't have no siren, Like this is like this a remote ranch in the middle of like northern California, like in the middle of nowhere, like And then I heard it again and it was closer, and I was like, oh shit, I know what that is. And instantly, right right when it dawned on me what I was hearing, the entire herd of elk was was stampeding.

The entire herd of elk was stampeding. It was like I don't know, a hundred of them, maybe less. Wow. And they were literally coming right towards me. And there was like a barbed wire because I'm on the road and the migration route is from the field back to these woods across the road. And you would always see them jumping over the barber It's just like driving to town, you know, you always see the elk out there. They're always like jumping over a fence. I always saw that so many

times. And this is like a five foot tall barbed wire fence and they would just like jump over it like it was nothing, you know. And but yeah, never had been in like an elk stampede before, so I basically I basically just had to like curl in the feedable position and like pray and these things were jump literally jumping over me. Wow. An elk are like freaking huge, man, huge, absolutely ridiculous like Ford expeditions, like jumping over a fence. Yeah, and this was at like two o'clock in

the morning. You said, yeah, yeah, I mean that that would have been terrifying. It was so dumb. I was like, why am I here? And it was like right when I walked through was when that alarm went off. And so it's whatever that was or whatever that was had seen me. And I always thought that, you know, that's why they were yelling, because they thought I was trying to like hunt some elk or something. And I was like, no, that's grew. That's an interesting

theory. I mean, elk, stampede, lightning storm, bigfoot, scirron call, Yeah, that wouldn't. I mean, I'm just trying to put myself in that position that would have been so crazy to experience. It was crazy. And the crazy thing was the only thing I had for a light was a old like a cheap not even a good but like a cheap lighter. So I started lighting the lighter because it wasn't like raining at this point, it was just it was like dry lightning, yeah, And I was

just lighting the lighter. I'm like, you know, you don't want any of this, Like I just started running, man, and I just like ran away from that whole situation. And just like right when I got back in the woods, it all calmed back down, didn't have any more problems and finished I walk and you know, passed out. Did you talk to anybody about the calls or anything? Did you hear any like, did anybody else experience anything from the cannabis farm or whatever? Oh no, that was

like five or six miles away. Uh yeah, I was like I had to walk from the highway back to the farm and so it was a it was a good trek. Yeah. So this was like yeah, no, no one no, never even really told anybody, but any bade it, anybody about it. Just like I don't know, I'm like, what do you who's gonna believe that? You know, I mean, what are you going to tell them? You know, like, hey I heard this,

Uh well a bigfoot? Yeah, I got to hurt elk stampede and then uh and then so when I was out on that farm, I started having all these dreams. I started having all these dreams of Bigfoot. And it was like one of the dreams was like I was in the middle of this field and and my van was there, and they all started like coming circling me, and I just like jumped up on the van and just like we were just looking at each other, and I just I don't know what that

was about, because like I had never had anything like that before. But I just feel like now looking back, it was because I was starting to come into their territory and I was starting to like they were starting to notice

me. Maybe I don't know, but yeah, I don't know if they were like if that was actually real or if it was just a fragment or a you know, because of that experience, and I thought I had heard bigfoot out there and in Death Alley and the thing in Main Maybe it was just my mind doing tricks, or maybe it was something that was actually happening. But started having those experiences and then pretty much after that, I moved

up to this other farm. Well it was more of like a big property, and I turned it into my own little farm up there in the mountains. And that's when the next thing happened up there. So this was like a four hundred acre piece of property surrounded by nothing, just you know, for miles miles and miles just nothing out there. But it was pretty close to the to the farm down there I had just come from, and we were pretty much like me and this buddy I met up there. We were

starting our own little farm. And to get up there to this place where you had sunlight, you had to go straight up this like ridiculous little foothill and out back east we call at a mountain, but out there it was just like a foothill and it was it was just like no rocks or anything, just like this big clay, you know, mountain kind of thing. And so we were just going straight up this thing with the quad and basically

just like cut a road right up this thing. And I mean it was steep and like you would you would be going up there and you feel like the quad was about to turn it. Actually we'd actually did flip it a few times, but ended up getting up there and clearing out this big area

for for a farm. And so pretty much like the day after we started cutting this road, like I was God, I was walking up there the next morning or something like that, and uh, this big old rock comes hurdling down the road and it was like it was like a two foot diameter kind of maybe three foot the kind of flat rock. It was like kind of rectangular shape or me. You know, it wasn't it wasn't like a

perk circle. But somehow this thing was just coming down like a bowling ball and real fast, and it came within like a foot of me as I'm walking as of right when I'm turning to walk up this this new road we had just cut, and uh, it just like hurtled past me and just like crashed through the woods below. And I was like, Okay, that

was unexpected because like there's no there's no rocks up there. You know, we had cleared all this, all this land up there, and it's like if you know, like East Coast mountains, it's just like it's it's kind of rare to find a rock until you get like way up there, and then to be like some some little spires sticking out from the ancient you know, mountains or whatever. But mostly it's just like sediment and clay, and that's what this was. But there was no rocks. Even at the top

of this thing. There was just it was just a rounded clay hill because I would, you know, we dug down there, like twenty feet down into this clay and it was just the easiest dig and you ever you ever did see, and you know, just just no rocks anywhere. And so the thing about this rock was it was like it was like a river stone. So there was like a creek and a river you know, down that right through her property, and then there was a big creek down at the

bottom. But all those rocks had calcification on them from the outaline water in the creeks and then the river or like the Yeah, I guess you would call it a creek, but it was pretty much like a giant creek down below would have these river rocks. That's that's probably where this came from, because it was like the ones from the creek up above were like calcified, you know, and this was just like perfectly smooth, and you know, right from the river. And so it seemed, you know, geologically that

rock came from from a river at some point in time. When when it got up there, I have no idea, but yeah, it was just very odd. Uh. Yeah, it doesn't match the type of rocks in the creek above, matches the ones at the creek at the bottom, but it's at the top rolling down. And and how does a rock that shape just start rolling down a hill like that? True? True? Yeah, I don't, I know, right, you didn't like see anything or hear

anything other than the rock nothing. And I right after that happened, I just instantly walked up there to like try to make sense of it, and like there was nothing up there, Like I mean there was there could have been something up there. You're in You're in Man's Anita scrub. I mean this stick up there, so it could have been it could have been somewhat there, but I didn't hear or see anything. And uh yeah, I mean it was it was like some telling me to not be up there.

And I know what people will say is like, you know, you just cleared all that road. It could have just been a loose rock that came loose, yeah, right at that exact time. And then like you just said, how would it even start rolling? Like nothing, nothing else came down. There wasn't any landslide anywhere on that entire road. There was just that one rock. Yeah, And you can also look at it from the perspective of you did just clear that road, and so that might have pissed

somebody off, you know, Yeah, that's what I think. That's what I think, because there was other weird stuff up there too, Like there was a are you familiar with Manzanita not at all? Not at all. Well, it's like this really awesome little tree there, like a bush that grows all over northern California on the south face and slopes, and it's like just like this really hard wood and but it kind of has it kind of

has these like shallow roots. But I mean I wouldn't say they're easy to pull out, but you know, yeah, I definitely wouldn't say there easy to pull out. And so there was an old man's anita that had been pulled out by the roots that was sitting in that was inverted and stuck into the ground and the root ball made a perfect seat and you could look over the entire valley below from this from this perch. Uh, yeah, that was up there. That's pretty weird. I mean I've seen pictures of like

inverted trees like that in strange places, you know. Yeah, that was my first encounter with that whole whole situation. I was just like, there's no one up here that would do that, Like this is this is remote. This is a remote place. Like I wouldn't even think like a minor from the eighteen hundreds like even got up there. You know, like it was just so ridiculously remote, like we we just picked a random line to

go up. You know, it was just haphazard that we had found that and Uh, yeah, did you have any problems, you know, with your farm or anything like missing items or anything like that. Yeah, you occasionally get like a plant, a plant pulled out and stuff like that. But there was like a bunch of bears up there too. Yeah. I think that they liked to you could tell what it was because there would be like prints in the great and the loose soil. So yeah, we would

have problems with bears up there. But uh, like I would, you know. I ended up camping out there up there for for many, many many times over the years, pretty much all summer and in the fall u every night. And then occasionally you would hear like animals walking through and sometimes I swear I just heard two feet instead of four because you could tell the difference, and you were always on guard for stuff like people coming up there. But I never saw a person come up there. I never saw any

tracks of the people of people. But the thing to remember is that soil up there is like super hard in summertime, like it's easy to dig in winter, but in summertime it just turns to smith. So things aren't really leaving tracks up there in the summer. Yeah, So but yeah, there was another weird thing. There was a couple other weird things up there. One of them they had they both happened to my buddy. It was my

partner. So like right around the early times where this was going on, they were they were leaving the property and he said that he had seen this giant black lion jump across the road in one bound, up like twenty feet onto the hillside and like vanish in the woods within like a split second. Him, his his wife, and their two kids all saw this thing. And it's what he describes as being like a black panther. That's what he

thinks he saw. Huh. Yeah, I don't know if it's one of those things where you know, you you see something strange and you don't know how to process it so you say something else. Yeah, but yeah, he swears he saw a black panther. Now, I did see mountain lion. I did see a mountain line up there one time, and uh, it was huge, but it was it was just a normal mountain lion, Like it wasn't black, right, So that was one weird thing. And

and then another time he was camping near this mountain bully. Uh do I want to say it? Yeah, whatever, bullyshoot and uh, he was on this back road and he swears that something was like stalking him. And he wouldn't really go into detail, but this guy was not afraid of bears or mountain lions, like he was always heavily armed, and so this whatever he's whatever he saw, Like I got the impression that he didn't want to talk about it, but it was probably like some kind of a bigfoot thing.

And he just said like he was just sitting there in his car and he was getting stocked by this thing and he just like got the heck out of there and he never went back. I just wonder what's the deal with the you know, the big black cats. I had a friend that you know, talked about one on his family's property here really and like, yeah, he and his brother, his older brother, and his dad all saw it. And I think his dad even like tried to shoot at one time

and they're missed. I mean, you know, the way he told the story was, there's no way my dad would have missed, you know a little bit, like it didn't drop it or anything. It just like kind of flicked its telling then bounded off through the woods. And I've heard like

so many stories about him and everything. But like, according to the information that I've read, like whatever it's called melanistic traits or whatever, in mountain lions just aren't really possible for them to, for like, a mountain lion just to genetically be black like that. Okay, so they've kind of ruled out the idea that it's just you know, a black mountain lion, so

it would have to be something else, you know. But the reports of them are so widespread, and I have to admit this is like the first time I recall hearing about one in California. Down here, you know, I'm in Oklahoma. You hear about them in you know, all throughout the South and everything, and obviously in Florida there's a lot of reports of them, but I don't I don't recall hearing about them up there. So that's

really interesting. You know. Again, if you're listening and you have a story about a black cat in California or the Pacific Northwest, email me. I'd love to hear about it. I'm kind of interested in them there. It's just something, you know, like that was like one of the first things that I read about whenever I was a kid. Whenever I got into like all the unexplained phenomenon stuff nice and it's and it's just weird that, you know, so many people see them but nobody has any idea what they

are or anything. Uh. One thing, one possibility is speaking of like the genetic more thing is like the jaguar I believe can have a melanistic trait. Yeah, and they're black. And I think there's jaguars in South America, maybe Mexico if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea. Yeah, there's actually another large cat called it Jaggarundi, Jaggarundi from South America that's actually worked its way up here into the States. Wow. And they've been spotted

in Oklahoma as a matter of fact. But and they're like a spotted cat type thing. But they're not huge or anything like what we're talking about. Okay, Yeah, this thing that he saw, he said was huge. And yeah, I mean if it if that can get up in Oklahoma, then you know, it could probably get to California. Yeah. Gyically, you know, I mean people think like you know, say, for instance, Death Valley, people think that it's just like a big flat, empty

desert, you know. But it's actually if you look at a map on Google Earth or whatever, you you can see the green belts extending and they

follow the mountaintops. So there's there's like pond of rosa pine forests up on the mountain tops and like all kinds of trees up there, and they extend in a north to south direction along the ridgetops, and so the travel is possible to be kind of like going detected for something like that, to travel like a cat or you know, bigfoot or whatever, that's totally possible that way. And there's not a lot of people up there. So if you kind of like look where the green spaces are, you know, there's a

direct line from like southern California to northern California. So I always thought about that with the whole my whole counter and Death Valley, with the gorilla screams. I was like, well, I mean if there was, if there was a Bigfoot, then that's where they would be in that area, you know, at least during at least I guess, I don't know, during the day and night, I don't know, but but yeah, it seems like that's where they would be because it's really hot in summertime down there.

Yeah, I was just talking to my buddy Richie about some big foot stuff in southern California, and there's actually quite a bit of stuff in southern California, and people don't really think about bigfoot being in southern California. And then I had a lady on that had a bigfoot siding down in Mexico and I had never heard of that before. So it just seems like, you know, obviously people hear all the stories about you know, the Four Corners regions

and bigfoot, you know, Arizona, New Mexico and everything. I mean, these things aren't necessarily just strictly associated with these large expansive forests of the Pacific Northwest or anything any habitat where they can survive. It seems like you can find them. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, what I think, Like, you know, Less Strout with his whole big foot thing, he was talking so much anywhere that a bear can lift a bigfoot could live. Yeah, and it makes sense, you know, I mean, bears are huge.

I mean one of the things that we used to look for is good populations of deer and coyote in an area. Ah, like we didn't you know, there's a lot of bears here, but not as much as there are in you know, California or anything like that, or as you get farther north. But it seems like if there's a healthy population of deer and or coyotes, there's usually bigfoot around. I got one more little bigfoot, and I'll jump into the aliens. So this is kind of like, this

is kind of like the craziest one yet. So I decided to go to college and was working as biologists up in northern California on a Native American reservation, and I ended up having that job for like three years. But the first night on that reservation, I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like, basically, people will want to say it was sleep peralysis, but I don't really think that's what it was, because I was sitting there, standing face to face with a big black bigfoot and it was

looking at me. I was laying down, like, but I was awake, and this thing was looking at me from outside and there was no wall between us, you know, and it was like staring like deep into my soul, and I was literally a huge sense of dread is all I can

describe and yeah, so that happened. And then, excuse me, a couple of years later, I was at this little ceremony and I was talking to to the shaman, this shaman guy there, and they do these vision quests where they they'd go way into these sacred places and they carry stones from the river, which you know kind of hearkens back to the whole thing with the stone up on the mountain, but but yeah, there was I didn't I didn't ever find any like Native American circles up there on that mountain,

but there was these old stone circles from their ancestors. I don't want to get, you know, out of respect, I don't want to get like too into the details. I probably said too much already, but like basically probably gonna say too much even more, because yeah, so they would go sit in these circles for like a week and that was like their protection circle right right right, And didn't really think about like what are they being protected

from? You know. But like he was the probably like halfway into his journey, h vision quest or whatever, like he heard that in the middle of the night, he heard this like like weird laughing or like this like this kind of center. He described it as like a sinister laugh down in the valley below, and he thought it was his friends playing a trick on him. But then he was like, wait, there's nobody up here,

Like I'm in the middle of nowhere. You know, you got to walk like twenty miles to get to the spot, and so like he pretty much just uh, maybe he was hallucinating or whatever. You know, you go for a long time without food or water, you your mind starts playing tricks. But uh, well, I take that back. I think they were able to drink water. But so the next night he heard it, but it was closer, and then he started hearing like scratching on the on the

mountain and like nails and it sounded like someone was like climbing up. And then the next night he heard it again, but this time, you know, the I'm not closer. And then he looks up on this promontory right next to him, and there was a big black sasquatch staring at him, and he said it leapt from the promontory right towards him, and right when it hit the stone circle, it dissolved into nothing, just vanished, just

vanished. And he they talked about how it's like, well, I don't really want to say anymore, but yeah, I mean, dude, to do with that way you will. I just thought it was interesting because it kind of it kind of brings everything in my story to a conclusion, because you got like the stone circle thing, the river rock, you got you know, I'm actually I actually saw it. And then he's describing the same exact thing that I personally actually saw in that dream time. So I believed

him. I mean he didn't. He doesn't have anything to gain from making up a story like that, you know, right, Like this area that I was in is very famous for bigfoot activity. In fact, the Patty film was shot about twenty miles during where he was or where I used to work, So that's a little hint if anybody wants to research where this could have been. But but yeah, what happened whenever you saw the one in dream time? It was I describe it as like it was like reading my

soul. It was like who is this guy? Like what, you know, what are you all about? You're you're you're not supposed to be here or you know, you've never been here before, and so I feel like it was just yeah, it was just standing there. I'm not gonna say it had red eyes, but it definitely its eyes seemed shiny, maybe like an orange or like a red. Were you like inside a building? Were you in a tent? When were you? I was in a house,

okay? And this thing was the direction that he was standing was right towards this back property where there was it was just it was abandoned. There was an abandoned property. It was like this old this old house back there, and it had one of those street lights in the yard. But the street light would always like flicker and it would go on and off. So it

was like super spooky. And uh yeah, it was standing like right around there, back in the back property, but it was it was I mean in that direction, but it was like right on the other side of the walled house, and it was looking at me through the through the walls. So I mean it was like it felt real and I was fully awake and

conscious, but obviously like we were in some other kind of space. It was analyzing me and I while it was while it had me trapped in its case, I could not move and I could not talk or scream or anything. I just felt like total dread and maybe that's just like a sense of the unknown and your fear where you don't know. But yeah, I just felt siler complete dread and like if this thing wanted to, you know,

kill me, it could it could have easily done that. The Native American man that shared his story with you, like, what was his opinion? Are they, you know, evil not evil? Is it like a spiritual type thing? The way that it vanished and everything, was it like a sense of like the one that he was talking about was the same one you saw that. I'm not sure, but I didn't tell him about my story, Okay, but yeah, I don't know why he shared that with me.

Honestly, it was pretty special though, but I just feel like he's shared with me maybe so I could share with other people because you know, they don't really like to talk about it, right, just had a ridicule and stuff. But like at the same time, if you don't ever tell anybody, then it just dies with you. So maybe he just wanted to get it out there, like kind of like how I want to this out

there right now? Yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I don't know about the I think what from what I gathered, they kind of think that it kind of travels between the two worlds, and it can be spiritual and it can be physical. It has some kind of like advanced understanding of how what what, you know, what we could be capable of if

we were more tapped into nature perhaps. Right as far as like evil and stuff, I'm not I don't really think they think they're evil, but I think that they they will test you kind of like how I was testing me, and kind of like how I was testing him to see if he was going to get afraid and run away or something. And you know what, this actually reminds me, Uh the company I used to work for out there, the foreman his wife when she was a little girl, she was playing

in her yard and saw a bigfoot staring at her not far away. And he told me the story one day, and then I actually talked to her about it and she was like, yeah, that really happened, and she was dead serious. So like the people out there kind of like don't really like to talk about it, but if they trust you or whatever, they'll

tell you stuff like that. So it's pretty prevalent, you know, stories like that out there, and I've had I've heard other stories of of other guys out there that with with crazy stuff like when they were kids trying to like reach in the window and grab them and stuff like that. So,

I mean, there's just there's something about being you know. They would always say like don't go outside you get you know, captured by the bigfoot or whatever when you're a kid, and like they literally meant that though, because they just saw, you know, there's a lot of activity out there.

Yeah, it sounds very similar to like the type of stuff you hear all over really whenever it comes to like Rroll America or whatever and bigfoot stuff, it's like they don't really talk about it or anything, but if they trust you and they get to know you and everything, you start hearing stories all the time from everybody. It seems like yeah, exactly, man, exactly.

Kind of like Georgia, Like I was surprised here there's like everywhere you go there's like those little big foot statues or it's like a little plywood cutouts. Yeah, Bigfoot they're everywhere out here, and people have like big foot stickers on their cars and trucks, and you know, it's very prevalent.

And I was I was kind of surprised. Yeah, Like, growing up in Virginia, I never thought that was going on up there, but now it comes to find I mean I would go hiking out on the Appalation Trail like all the time when I was growing up alone, and now I come to find out that like that even there's even activity going on out there.

I'm just like, oh, man, but it would. You will just feel like spooked out sometimes, you know, when you're out there and you just get that feeling and you're just like, oh, what is that? So Bigfoot's not the only thing you've experienced though, right right, this is good. People are gonna laugh on this one, okay. But July two thousand and five, Marvin's Mountaintop, West Virginia All Good Festival. It was like this awesome little music festival. Me and my girlfriend went to it.

And it's basically like this this big grass hill and on the back of the hill is the tree line and it's out in middle of nowhere, and so it just like goes to mountains, like you're at the top of the mountain and it goes down to a valley and then it just goes to more mountains and uh, so we're there and this was crazy man like string cheese incident went on, and you know, everybody's everybody was there to see that,

and so I mean that place was packed. And right during their set, like the first set, it started to like torrentially downpour and they kept playing and uh, I mean it was raining hard, but the electricity in the air was was something. There was something strange going. Like everybody there was like very like into it. Like everybody was dancing. I mean, you know, usually had a usually at a vestival or something, there's always like

some people dance and some people standing, but like everybody was dancing. Everybody was like into this thing. And it was just completely downpour raining. It was. It was ridiculous. And uh, right around then, this orange flare went up in the air from somewhere in the crowd. And at first it's like, oh, yeah, someone's lighting off fireworks. But this orange flare hovered up in the air for probably like a good i want to say, a good five or ten minutes, and it didn't come down, like

it just stayed up in the air. And this is two thousand and five, so this is not like drones happening, you know, So what could that have been. I mean it sounds like what people describe as like the Brown Mountain lights type thing. Oh shoot, I didn't even think about that. Like I've heard, and not just the Brown Mountain lights, but like I've heard, well, Jonathan Dodd and the guys of Moth Boys podcast saw

something very similar to what you're describing, if I remember correctly. I mean they saw some other stuff, but like original think just the light type situation. Yeah, but I've talked to Joe and Jesse Doyle of Hillbent Holler and they have some remarkable footage of the Brown Mountain lights, and it sounds like you're describing those the same type thing, like basically an orb that comes up from nowhere and hovers in the sky. Wow. Yeah, I've heard of

the Brown Mountain lights. I actually went and camped out there a couple of times when I was younger and never got to see anything, unfortunately. But I've seen him on there's like some YouTube videos. Now I don't know maybe that's the same one you're talking about, but I've seen him on these YouTube videos. But yeah, so this thing went up in the air and it was like lit up the whole crowd kind of. I mean, like not really, but it was kind of dark anyway. And then it just the

energy just rose like a thousand percent. And anyone that was at this show will tell you that, like, this was one of the most magical Stringsheet

shows they ever saw. And and then so right when the rain stopped and this thing like went away for some reason, I just happened to look behind me, and I'm staring at the at the tree line, and right where I'm looking this UFO stereotypically UFO, like all the flashing lights, and one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen comes out of the tree line or sorry, over the tree line and hovers like just like a few feet away from the trees, and it's like it's like they were just there to see

the show or something like. And then I look around the entire I like scan the entire crowd. No one else is seeing this thing. Everyone's looking ahead at stringsheets. And I looked over at my girlfriend. She's staring at because she had seen me staring at it, and she's looking back and I was like, you see that. She's like yeah, And it's just like

hovered there for like thirty seconds and then just swoop slowly backs away. I was like, what, yeah, yeah, what it was like those are real because I had been a big fan of X files and stuff, but you know, like you don't really think that stuff is real when you're a kid. I mean, I'm probably like twenty maybe like twenty two, and

yeah, they are real. Now. I don't know who was driving it, but yeah, that was my first encounter when I realized that there is something else out there at a string cheese incident to her concert music festival. No, not on mushrooms or you know, anything like that. I think we were actually completely sober, Like I don't even think I had smoked any weed or anything. Yeah, so I know people are gonna say, no, weren't tripping, and yeah, so it's just so so random. Yeah,

you know, yeah, and I don't. I've been into the like, you know, concert archives when people like kind of talk about the show and no one ever mentioned that. People mentioned the orange orb thing. I've heard that like a couple of times, and people mentioned the rain, how it was and the energy. People always talk about the energy of that show, and it's like, oh, if only you knew, like there was something strange going on that night on that show. I mean, did it

look like a saucer? Yes, like like an actual flying saucer. Like what color were the lights? Do you remember? It was? It was the actual flying saucer and the lights were multicolored. They were all different colors. And I kind of like, you know, the haze of time kind of erodes the memory, so I don't I just if I can, if I can close my eyes, I can just see it there though, you

know, but I don't remember like the exact specifics. But it had like a little the little dome thing on top, but it wasn't like a perfect dome. It was kind of like angular a little bit. It looked like maybe it was like an older model. I don't know, but yeah, it's like a vintage And the lights were like on the bottom or maybe like around the sides a little bit. And then there was like a like a ring of like windows around it, and the lights were just like it wasn't

like bright enough to light up the crowd like the ORB was doing. So it was some kind of like weird lights that weren't like casting any kind of like blow if that makes no sense, But it was just like you had to you wouldn't notice it unless you were looking right because it wasn't creating any shadows or anything like that. But it was, like I said, it

was just like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. And like obviously, I mean, they don't really do this at like outdoor music festivals, but I'm just saying, if it were some sort of you know, part of the show, basically, they're obviously going to do it in front of the crowd where everybody can see it, not behind the crowd where nobody's looking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I've thought about that too. I mean, I know nowadays, you know, like if you go to a fish show or something, nowadays, like they got crazy stuff going on, yeah, stuff like that. But noah, back then, man, like nothing like that was I mean, yeah, there was some stuff, but like not like the crazy like dragon drones that they have flying around. Yeah, nothing like that. And uh yeah man, it was just yeah,

it was just completely silent. I saw it from probably like you know, it was like right above the tree line, so what like forty fifty feet off the ground maybe a little more, And I was probably like not even one hundred yards away from it because we were kind of in the back. I mean I saw it close wow yeah, and no sound. It was just like they were just popping in for a little visit and they're like, oh, this is cool. Oh this dude sees this. Let's get back

up a little bit. That's kind of what it seemed like. But uh yeah. So the next thing that happened was so we're flashing. This was right before I went to Maine. So the next thing that happened was when I was in Maine. The next two things are going to be in Maine. And this was in a little place called Heartland, Maine, which is near where that was before. And I was I was working on a farm

with some friends. This was after the medicine, you know, lady and I had met some friends and was living with them working on this farm out there, and this was just an organic food farm. And so one night I was out in the sauna. I had I had my tent set up in the sauna, and this was like fall, so it was getting a

little chilly, but it wasn't like freezing. And I'm sitting in the song and playing guitar, and all of a sudden, like I started seeing these geometric shapes like purple, like how I would describe as maybe like the flower of life symbol or something. Okay, I started seeing these geometric shapes out of nowhere, and all of a sudden, then I got the sense of like, oh, there's something directly above me that just flew over me.

And then I got this like crazy sense of and I remember being like, hope, please don't abduct me. Like I feel like this is I feel like I've had experiences in the past that I have blocked out of my memory. I know there was some times growing up where I would be outside at two in the morning when I was like a kid playing what my dad said was playing basketball, but like he I was like, wow, I wasn't playing basketball. He's like, yeah, you were playing basketball. I was

like, well, why was I out at two am. He's like, don't worry that, And just like weird stuff like that would happen, and uh So I feel like, right when this incident happened, like I knew who it was and I just I jumped up and I ran out to the field and I was like, you know, wait till I have a girlfriend. Come back when I have a girlfriend. I can't take this right now

you know, like I'm an emotionally fragile state. I was like saying all this stuff, and then right then this from the from across the street, a light shot up in the sky at like five thousand miles an hour and was gone. And it was like, yeah, a bright flash, like a white light was like up into the sky from the from below the trees right across the street. So then the next night some friends had also seen some stuff up in the sky while we were talking, and they were like,

what is that? And then when I turned around, it was gone. But but there was there was some there was some weird stuff out there, That's what I can say. And so this this cumulates that Winter had a girlfriend and I was living in this remote, uh kind of like ski cabin up near ski resort, and I was renovating it for my buddy, and pretty much that's when I had my missing time encounter where I woke up and there was like this blue light coming through the window and I knew instantly

who it was and I just got down. I was laying I was sleeping on the floor that I didn't have a bed at this time, and I always like sluck on my stomach or my side, and so I just like rolled up on my knees and like crouched down, and I was just like, you know, hit me with the wand or something like that. I don't I can't deal with this right now. And so when I woke up. When I woke up, I was laying on my back, and I was facing the opposite direction, and I never sleep on my back, and

I yeah, and I was facing the opposite direction. And I got up and I had an appointment, I thought that day, but it was not like Tuesday. It was Wednesday, and so I had missed my appointment and I had lost like twenty four hours a time basically, and I have I had like memories, like very faint memories of like pretty much being on It was actually like there's like military people there, and it was there might have you know, there might have been others there, but that's what I recall

my memory. And I remember being kind of like I remember that the terrain being red and there was like plastic black plastic bags like covered in the hillside. It's just like these flashes of memory, it's all I have of that experience. And I always wanted to do the hypnotic regression thing and see what was going on there. But I haven't done that yet, but I should. And yeah, so that was that was the missing time encounter. And

it was funny. I had a girlfriend at the time, so they were just like waiting for me to have a girlfriend or something like, I don't know. And the military or like our military that I don't know, but

human military figures, yes, yeah, human military. We were on like some kind of craft, but it wasn't like a it wasn't like an airplane, but we were we were definitely like it's yeah, we were definitely a flying or you know where we were like above the ground and some kind of craft and yeah, and then it seemed like we were maybe in just this

really exotic location when I was walking around. So I don't know if that was like I don't know if that was this planet or or what, or if it's all just a dream, you know, but it just I've never slept for, you know, twenty four straight hours and just like woke up in a weird position and had a memory of blue lights coming in the window and like is being in my room? So I honestly believe that I was

abducted that night and for what cause, I don't know. And you know, I believe that potentially that night before they were going to do that, but they they honored my wishes to wait till how to girlfriend. And you believe that you might have been abducted whenever you were young. I don't have memories of it, but just like strange things would happen where I would be

outside, So yeah, I think that's a possibility. I think I've just because for me to like know who it was when I was in that sauna and I just felt the presence and to know what it was was strange because I had never had any memory of anything like that before, and then all of a sudden, I just knew who it was. So I'm a person who is very much against doing this, but I'm going to make an exception in this case. If you take the UFO stuff and then you take the

Bigfoot stuff, do you think those things are connected? I like that question because before I never would have thought that, but now I am leaning towards that possibility. I've been thinking about a lot preppering for this show and stuff, and yeah, I think it's a possibility. What do you think. I mean, so jeez, I don't like to be asked questions on my own show. I mean, you know, you hear stories not just from eyewitnesses but also from investigators of seeing like orbs and stuff, and like I

said, I don't like to connect the two. I don't think that necessarily because you're out looking for a bigfoot and then you see something else that it's somehow connected to Bigfoot, or that if you think Bigfoot is in the area

and then you see something else that they're connected. I know that early on in my research, you did hear, you know, stories about UFOs and bigfoot, and that is a theory out there that you know they are connected, right, But like as I've gotten older, Uh, there's something going on, man, I don't know what it is. But people out there aren't experiencing just one phenomenon. They're experiencing a bunch of different things over their

lifetime. Not everybody, but some people, right, And I'm very interested in that because I'm one of those people. I've experienced various things and I don't know if they're connected or if they're connected through the person that witnesses them, but it just seems like more times than not. It's like once you get to talking to people, if they've experienced something substantial in one area, then they also have experiences in other areas. So I mean it's just really

tough to say. I just don't know. And I think that's the problem. I think most people don't really know. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be a possibility. There's got to be at least the possibility that these things are connected somehow or something in us allows us to have these experiences

more so than just a typical person. I don't know. Yeah, I can tell you what the certain Native American shaman would tell you, and it's like the or like how they travel around and you know, you know Bobo, I'm sure sure of course, Yeah, he talks about when he was in the area that I'm talking about. He probably knows exactly what I'm talking about. And like he was in an area around there and he saw a

blue orb. I believe what he said was like a blue orb like turn into a bigfoot or a big into a blue RB or something like that and like all that. So he actually saw that, and then like all the a lot of the Native American you know, guys that are in the know

would tell you that that's how they travel around. And there was this whole story that Bobo tells about this like old Native American like shaman guy that everybody loved and all the almost loved him, and he would just like walk out in the field and like Ravens would come like sit on his shoulder and just crazy stuff like that. And he was the one that was like, yeah, that's how they travel around, just like it was like natural fact,

like everybody should know that. But how that pertains to the UFOs and all that stuff, you know, no idea. But that's just an interesting little tidbit. And it leads into my last little story here, And this one was in twenty ten. I actually reported this one on move On. I don't know why I did report the other one on moufon. It just it just seems so unbelievable. You at a music festival and you see UFO, okay, but this one was this one. I don't know. This one

just seemed a little more believable, I guess. But near that place where I was living in on the near that four hundred acre ranch out in northern California, this mountain called Bullushoot mountain, very beautiful mountain. It's like seven thousand feet and when you're on the top of that thing, you can see one hundred miles away, like you know, and the I five looks like

Christmas tree lights, just like cast down the Central Valley of California. So we would just go up there, you know, and just hang out, and it was like a fire lookout up there. So this particular night we were going, we were heading up there, it's pretty late, and me and my buddy and pretty much like we were, we ran into like this big snow bank. So we had to park the car and just start walking.

And so we started. We were just walking up this mountain and we come to this little curve in the road and where you're looking out all over reading below and then all the way down to the Central Valley, and then right then we see this. At first I thought it was an ATV coming or like a car. It had those like amber color car lights, like the older cars, not like the ungodly bright car lights they have nowadays,

but like the older amber colored car light. Yeah, it was like coming up through the the the ridge that was coming up from the from the valley below, and it was just like cruising up the ridge and we were like, oh, that's weird that there's a I didn't know there was a road there. And we're like, wait, there isn't a road there. This

is it's like middle of nowhere. It's like we're on the road. And so right then this thing does a ninety degree angle and starts traveling out in space or like out in the air between the bridge and where we were standing, and it's it's like going away from us a little bit, and then it turns directly toward us. And it was an orange orb, you know.

It was just it was like, I don't know how big it was, but when the move on, lady was talking about like, well, if you hold like a pinny up to your reached out stretched arm, like how big was it? And I would say, you know, maybe about the sides of a nickel or something. So maybe it was like twenty feet across. Maybe it was somewhere around there. Like it was pretty big. It wasn't huge. It could have been ten feet, but it was.

It was just like this orange orb and it wasn't shimmering, it wasn't glowing. It was just completely orange and it was it was it was amazing, but it but when it turned and started flying towards it, it was hovering like it wasn't really going very fast. It was just like you know, just bound bounding up the hillside. And then it just like starts and then it like saw us, and then it like turned directly towards us and started

coming directly towards us. And probably when it got within like two hundred and three hundred yards or something, I freaked out and I started running away, and I was I was like, I ain't have no close encounter of the third kind up here tonight. As I'm like running away, and my buddy

was just staring at this thing like like in a trance. So he just stood there and I'm running away, and then I get over the little ridge and I see he's not following me, and I'm like, oh dang, So I like ran back, and then right when I got back, this thing was going away, and then it just kind of It's weird because I don't remember I don't remember it like what happened as far as how it disappeared, but it just kind of like covered away, and yeah, and we

you know, we were just like in disbelief And one thing I didn't mention though, is when we were walking up that road, we both felt extremely electrified, like we both felt so good. We were just like you feel that, It's like, yeah, I feel like amazing right now. And then we saw that. And so when I was talking to the mof on lady, she had said that that lookout they used to allow people to spend

the night there. And one of the stories she heard was a lady that was spending the night in the fire lookout and she had seen the exact same thing that we had seen, this orange orb going up. Yeah, so she had heard stories about this place. And nobody knows about this place. I don't even like the fact that I'm talking about it because it's like my

fun little so nobody goes I'm just kidding, but yeah. Like, and another story was that she had told me was down on it's called Indian Creek that flows down from Bullushop down to Highway to ninety nine, and down there there's this lodge, it's called Indian Creek Lodge. And this this other siding was this guy was at Indian Creek Lodge and had seen like orange orbs up

in the vicinity of where this fire lookout us. And of note that this mountain, if you're standing on top of it, it's it's like the geology is like there's like courts, courts, and then it turns into like dark metamorphic. And so this mountain is like on the divide, and it was an old historic gold mine, so it's got layers of like courts and sedimentary rock and like you know, there's there's my theory that this is like a

place of high energy on the because of that. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what it was, but it seemed like it was intelligent. It seemed like it was intelligent, like when it's solid, it just like came right towards us. You know. That's That's a thing that I've picked up on from talking to different people that have encounters like the one you're talking about, is they feel that it's intelligent and is specifically aware of them,

which is interesting to me. You know. I talked to my buddy Jonathan Dodd, the artist that did the graphics for the show and everything he was on here and talking to him about his UFO experience that they felt the same way. And I just found that really interesting because I'm thinking like, and I talked to him about it, like, you guys were observing it from this point. For all you know, there could have been somebody five miles

away observing the same thing at the same time. Would they feel like they were being singled out by this thing? Would they feel that intelligence connection and reaction that you did, And here you are bringing it up again, and it's just there's something to that, man, there's something to it. I used to talk about people's bigfoot experiences, how where they have a big foot encounter it feels very personal, like they were specifically singled out to have that

encounter or whatever. Yes, that's how I felt. And it seems like this is also a theme with the UFO stuff or orbs or whatever you want to call it. You were talking about that energized feeling. Would you say it's the same as what you experienced at the concert? Well, you know what, now that you mention it, I did feel that similar kind of feeling when when everybody was dancing and we in that orange orb was up in

the in the sky at the concert. But yeah, I mean maybe they were a little similar now that you mention it, I mean that it concerts a lot of people feel that way, you know. Yeah, exactly. It was more like a communal like I guess you would say, like a communal high or whatever. Pun unintended, but like at the the least thing it was. It was more singular, but it was a similar thing. But I would say, I would say I've never felt so energized as being

on bullyshoot that night. It was just insane, like we felt so energized, like we could just look up and fly away. It also sounds like a couple of the instances, like the missing time and everything was definitely a different feeling to you than these were. Yes, yeah, the missing time

thing was freaky, man, Like I'm still freaked out about that. I mean, you were talking about you know, like don't abduct me, you know, wait until I have a girlfriend all that stuff as opposed to this, And I mean, I know you took off running and everything, but it's like it definitely seems like you had different emotional response to the two different

instances. Yeah, that's a really good point. I did. Yeah, I think part of it is part of me really does want to like go on a UFO and get and get taken to exotic locations in space, but when the moment actually arrives, you're not ready for that, you know, like you don't want to do that. Well, I mean it all sounds like fun and games, but as soon as the control factor is removed from the equation where you're not in charge of the trip, I don't think anybody

would want to right, you don't. You don't You don't know who it is. I mean, yeah, it could be some good guys, or it could be some bad guys, you know. Yeah. I mean there's a lot of people that say they want to see a bigfoot, and I'm like, are you sure, Like do you really? I mean, in

what situation do you want to see one? Right? Yeah? Because you never look at the woods the same way again when you That's that's one thing that I can say that I still have the benefit of doubt because I haven't Even though I saw that one in dream time, I still could say that that was just a dream, right, And I haven't actually seen one in the wild. So when I go out and explore in the wild or like do hikes and stuff, you know, like only in the dark of night

do I shudder? Like It's like most of the time I'm I'm I'm like, yeah, that's maybe it's you know, maybe I I know, I believe, but I'm like, I still have that benefit of the doubt. But if I actually saw one, then I would be freaked out. It would never want to go in the woods. Yeah, yeah, that happens a lot. Happens a lot. Yeah. I mean I've heard stories about people that were like, you know, filled researchers or whatever, and then they saw one and they quit like that was it, Like Nope, what

were you looking for? You? That was the whole point. But or like hunters, I had hunted their whole lives and that was their entire you know, thing in life, and then they just never hunted again after they saw it, Like yeah, So part of me kind of wants to see

one. But part of me also is like, well, I really liked being outside at night, you know, playing guitar around the campfire kind of thing, Like I don't know if that would do it if I knew that there is just But another part of me is like I just want to know truth regardless of anything. So maybe maybe I do want to see one, like actually see one. Maybe I don't. Whenever I was a little kid. I don't know if this so like there's a key point in my childhood

where I acquired this little paperback book. I've talked about it before, but this little book had stories of Bigfoot and the Lockmass monster, like it was divided in half, and and that was my first real introduction to Bigfoot. Now I had seen like some reruns of In Search of I believe, even reenactments of like the Ape Canyon incident, but that book, by far was the first thing that kind of hooked me on the Bigfoot subject. But I

don't remember if I had the book first or this happened first. We had a lake house and it was just a trailer like a mobile home, and we would go up there on the weekends and stay there during the summer or spring break whenever I was out of school or whatever. And my bedroom was on the very end, and there was one single window in my bedroom that

was next to my bed on the end of the trailer. And I had this dream that there was something at the window, and I got up and looked out the window and there was a big foot standing there and its hair growing up. Whenever I know talk about this dream, because it was so you know, it freaked me out. I would refer to it as like calico because that's the only thing I could think of, was like a calico cat because its hair was different colors. It wasn't like a uniform color.

And I mean, whenever I had this dream, it had to have been like geez, dude, I may it was maybe nine years old. So here I am all these years later and I can still see it just as vivid as when it happened. Uh. And this bigfoot was just standing there outside my window and it bro and it like there was these woods, okay, Like the front of our trailer faced this big, huge pasture, a big open field, and then on the other side of the field were these

woods. And I'd go exploring the woods all the time as a kid. That's what I call it, going exploring. And this bigfoot pointed at the woods and then motioned for me to follow it. It like motioned for me to come outside, and I was like no, you know, and I like pulled the curtain shut. And that's whenever I woke up from the dream. And people make fun of me that I've told this story too, that know it because in my head, for whatever reason, the Bigfoot had a

name that sounded like David, but it wasn't David. It wasn't the name David, but it like maybe day Fit or something like that. I don't know, but I just remember that particular That's amazing, man, Like that a lot like the motioning thing with the kids here though. Yeah, and this was like, I mean, maybe I had the dream because I was reading the book, like, I mean, that's what makes the most sense, right, But I meant the dreams still with me, man, And

I'm a firm believer. I'm one of those those weirdos that thinks that some dreams are just dreams, and then some dreams aren't just dreams. Oh dude, I can that's you know. And here I am, all these years later doing Bigfoot stuff, and I mean it's a huge part of my life, and I just always think back to that dream as a little kid, like what was that exactly? You know, So when you pulled the curtains and then you woke up? Was it like, are you sure it was

a dream? I don't know. I don't know, Okay, yeah, because it's because there were some other weird things that happened. Uh, you know, hindsight right. Uh. Before we got the trailer. Uh, we originally bought a boat dock, like an inclosed boat house, and whenever we first got it, I mean I was five whenever we purchased that. So we would drive up there, but we would just stay in a camper

on the back of the pickup truck. That's where we would sleep. And I remember it was early one morning, like it was still dark out, and my grandparents raised me. So I'm with my grandparents, and my grandfather is awake, like he's up in the trailer like looking out the windows, and he's got a gun with him, but he's not going outside of the camper. And I'm just like, what's going on, you know, because like I'm scared now, Like my grandpa's up with a gun, you know,

it's dark out, what's going on? And I remember him saying, something's messing with the camper and walking around on the truck. That's all he said. And I it seems like I vaguely remember like ask him, you know, well, what is it? And he was like, I don't know. I think it might be a hog or something. But like back then, we didn't have like wild hogs up here like like that wasn't a thing yet, huh. And I don't know why he would say that if

he heard a noise like one or something. He and why would you have an how would you be afraid of a while? Yeah, because I he wasn't. I mean, like this dude, you know, like raised in the woods, hunting and fishing, like he's not afraid of anything. Yeah. So it was it was that always stood out. And then like there was an incident that actually happened in the woods where I don't know what it was. Something took off running extremely fast, like busting through the brush.

Scared me to death because like I'm at least to half mile in the woods by myself at this point. I was probably eleven twelve years old whenever that happened. And then years later I would hear about sightings and stuff in that general area, huh. After I became a bigfoot researcher, not whenever I was like growing up there all the time. Oh wow. Yeah, So it's pretty crazy when you were you had like no idea that, yeah,

no clue, no clue at all. Yeah, because like those old timers, like you know, like they did not mess around, like no you know. They were tough. Yeah, for sure. Done like in the middle of the night, that's that's something something's going on there. Yeah yeah. And also not getting out of the camper like that's really weird, like yeah yeah, and like yeah exactly. But they were like real stoic too, and they and like talk about oh oh dude, my great great grandmother

saw a bigfoot. Really yeah. She this was like this would have had to have been late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, whenever it happened. Her and her husband lived in the mountains of Arkansas. They had like a cabin and they had some pigs. They were raising pigs, I guess.

And the story that I was told was that there was a commotion in the middle of the night, turned on the lantern, grabbed the shotgun, went outside, and as they got out there, they saw a bigfoot like pick up one of their pigs, like reach over the the fence that they had built, reach over with one on, pick up this pig under its arm, and just walk off into the woods. And they didn't buy shooting or

anything. They just like went back inside, like I didn't see that, yeah, yeah, And and this was like I didn't find that story out until I had been actively researching bigfoot for like years, and like everybody in the family knew it. That's why I found out the story. My uncle told me is like, well, you know that your great great grandmother saw one, right, Like, uh no, no, I didn't, wild yeah wild, Like thanks for telling me. I've been out in the woods

playing my entire childhood. Yeah, thanks for that. Yeah yeah. And that uncle was telling me that story because he was a bigfoot researcher and I never knew that either. Really yeah. He Uh whenever I was real little, he had joined the Navy. I remember that, and I knew he was stationed in Japan, like that's where he served his time in the Navy. Yet, but before that, he was in like Washington. I guess

the Navy had a port there or something. And uh, yeah, he got into researching bigfoot whenever he was there and was like going out actively looking for them. Wow. Yeah. And I don't remember ever hearing about any of that stuff. Like it was an interesting conversation to say the least.

It's such a it's such a fascinating it's like, you know, it's it's good that that we're talking about it because like I had, I kind of had hesitations about coming on and probably just you know, telling everybody my insane stories. But I kind of like have this philosophy of like we need to

talk about this thing. So pretty much ever since this stuff started talking, I just I would talk about it with anybody, like sitting around the campfire, coworkers whatever, Like I don't care you're gonna think I'm crazy, fine, but this is what I had, this experience that I had, and I'm not ashamed of it, and I think it's fascinating, Like it's way

more interesting than anything else people talk about. It's like this subject. And so ever since all this stuff started happening, like you know, just talk about it, and I feel like the older generation, you know, it was just so much more stigma about talking about this kind of thing, you know. So it's good. It's good that that you're doing what you do, and I certainly appreciate it. Well, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing if it wasn't for people like you willing to come on here and share

their story. And I mean, I really do appreciate it. I've really enjoyed the conversation and I plan on having more conversations with you in the future. Man, So thanks for coming on. Oh my pleasure, my absolute pleasure. Matt, thank you so much. And if you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. If you get a chance, check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com.

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