But as we were approaching the tree line, there was some I don't remember the exact sequence of whether it was a knock that we heard, a rock clack or a whoop type vocalization what, but there was there was a combination of vocalizations and you know, knocking going on. As we were approaching the tree line. Sarah and I are starting to get really nervous at this time
because they don't sound like they're very far away. And I look off to my left and it's about one hundred feet away or so, maybe maybe a little bit farther, maybe one hundred and fifteen feet. I see one coming up behind this tree, and when he was moving back and forth around the tree, he was like he was he was moving in like a really jerky motion, like fast twitch. There was enough shade within the forest so I couldn't make out any you know, facial features. I mean, it looked
like it looked like a dark face, but I couldn't. I couldn't. It was far enough away along with the shadows that I couldn't make out like what his nose looked like, or you know, how big the brow ridge was and stuff like that. But I could I could see him moving around behind the tree, and I was trying to get my wife Sarah to look. I said, it's right there if she doesn't look right over there, but she wouldn't look. She was too afraid to and we were both terrified.
Back in February of two thy fifteen, I released episode one of a podcast called Bigfoot Crossroads with my co host Jonathan Brown. Years later, here we are Bigfoot Crossroads is once again a podcast I've been doing for a while now, and once again joining me all these years later is Jonathan Brown. Thanks for having me, Matt. I mean, what, mate, even a year ago, would you have ever expected this to happen? Not necessarily what about you? No, not really. Uh, luckily, as fate
would have it. You know, we've reached back out to one another and started talking again, and here we are, man. Yeah, it's been
it's been a long time, you know. I was just telling you know, like obviously I've mentioned the thermal footage a few times, and like talked about your property and stuff, nothing to any great detail or anything, but to me, you have one of the best Bigfoot stories out there, just because maybe it's because I know you so well, the type of person that you are, how your involvement kind of came to being this whole thing,
and the journey that you've been on and your outlook on everything. But just for the people that don't know your story, if you don't mind, kind of tell, like where you're from and how you ended up in the bigfoot world. Okay, Well, I live on a reservation in Washington, in southwest Washington, and it was in twenty twelve. I was coming outside to get something out of my car, and there's kind of a funny scent in the air, and it smelled kind of like skunk, just a little bit
different. But I was just listening outside for just moments after smelling that, and then I hear a whistle from one side of property, and then a responding whistle from the other side, and that kind of led into you know, us a my brother Ben and I spending a lot of time outside just sitting by the fire at night, and then you know, things kind of
unfolded from there escalated a bit. Yeah, uh so, like if I remember correctly, the house that you're in was your dad's house, yes, And never any talk of Bigfoot or anything like that as a kid or in the area or anything. Uh there. I remember hearing him talking about some whistles that he had heard, but I think he was attributing it to like a bird or something. And that's that's such a vague memory of him telling
that to me. I mean, he's passed on, you know, since two thousand and nine, and so I don't I don't remember exactly, you know, what it was. He probably only did hear a bird at the time, I don't know, but you know, he wasn't he wasn't spending any time outside or anything that night, and it wasn't something that had really been on your mind previous to these incidents or anything. I mean I was, I wasn't into bigfoot like I am now, but I've always been interested
in it. And there's you know, different people on the reservation that have,
you know, told stories throughout my entire life that I've believed. And as far as the property that we live on right now, it actually used to be my grandfather's property as well, and he had a he had a smokehouse where he smoked fish, and I was told by a family member that one time on the property he had a bunch of wish that he was smoking and then all the fish were taken out, and there was a large footprint outside of the smokehouse, And it seems like it seems like somebody said that
like another another fish was like like a like a dead fish was left outside of it, not like any of the fish that had been smoking, but like a day or two later, like a fish had been left outside of it. I don't know the I don't know how accurate that story is because you know, it's it's not any it's not like a close family member that told me it. Yeah, it's a story that I heard ten years ago,
so maybe there's some half truth to it. Maybe not. My grandpa did have stories of uh like seeing sasquatch when he was fishing down by the river though too, and my my grandma would say that she didn't believe him and that he was, you know, making stuff up. Whenever you heard the sounds and stuff, did you instantly recognize, like that's probably a sasquatch or what did you think on the based on the smell When I came outside,
I couldn't identify the scent that I was smelling. I mean, like I said, it was similar to a skunk, just a little bit different, and so my brain kind of was going there beforehand. I mean, as soon as I smelled it, because you know, I I wasn't it wasn't really fitting in a box of like a an animal that I knew of.
And then you know, hearing the whistle from one side of the property and then the whistle from the other side of the property, I was thinking, if it was if it was a person, they're an idiot, because you know, that's a good way to get shot. Right. When was the big aha moment for you and your family and everything where it was no longer a mystery of what was going on? Well, uh after after after that night in particular, when you know I had the whistles going back and
forth. Me and my brother Ben did spend quite a bit of time outside at night, and there would be different things that there'd be different things that we would hear, some distant vocalizations. I don't I don't remember specifically which ones because there's there's been so many, but we've heard, you know, rocks being banged together, and what sounded like, you know, when people talk about tree knocks, what sounds like wood on wood. If it is
wood on wood, I don't know, but things like that. And it was in two thousand. It was in two thousand and thirteen, April of twenty thirteen that my wife Sarah and I we were just we suspected that they were around, you know, and we went and put some We went and put some food out in the forest. I don't know, just leftover scraps and stuff like that. Right, probably probably a stupid idea, you know,
it could you know, attract other predators. I'm not even saying that, you know, it was sasquatch that we were feeding, but it was just an attempt, you know. We didn't know anything about bigfoot, and
that's what we were trying to do. But as we were approaching the tree line, there was some I don't remember the exact exact sequence of whether it was a knock that we heard, a rock clack or a whoop type vocalization, but there was a combination of of vocalizations and you know, knocking going on as we were approaching the tree line and we barely get inside of it, and Sarah and I are starting to get really nervous at this time because
they don't sound like they're very far away, and I look off to my left, and it's about one hundred feet away or so, maybe maybe a little bit farther, maybe one hundred and fifteen feet away, And I see one coming up behind this tree. And the first thing that really stood out to me was like, how like conical shaped its head was? I mean, it wasn't it was it was a it was a pretty pronounced, you
know, combe of a head that he had. And when he was moving back and forth around the tree, he was like he was he was moving in like a really jerky motion, like fast twitch, and uh, it was. There was enough, there was enough shade within the forest, so I couldn't. I couldn't make out any you know, facial features. I mean, it looked like it looked like a dark face, but I couldn't.
I couldn't. It was far enough away along with the shadows that I couldn't make out like what his nose looked like, or you know, how how how big the brow ridge was and stuff like that. But I could. I could see him moving around behind the tree. And then I was trying to get my wife Sarah to look. I said, it's right if you just looked right over there, but she was she wouldn't look she was too afraid to, and we were. We were both terrified at the time.
And I wasn't I wasn't staring at it like I was trying to be challenging towards him. I would kind of look in an intimidated type fashion where I would look at him in the corner of my eye for just a few seconds at a time, and then kind of look away because, you know, not being that far away from me, I don't know what he's going to try to do. It's there's very little and still very little that I
still know about them, but I was. I was pretty afraid. And the last time that I glanced over at him, he got really low to the ground, to the point where he at first he was squatting really low to the ground. Then I'm pretty sure he had to have been like laying on the ground. But that was the That was the last looked over there, and we got out of there. And what time of day was it? It was It was the first week in April of twenty thirteen, and
I would say that it's right around sunset at that time. So I'm not really sure what time sunset is in April, but I would assume probably around seven o'clock or so. Yeah, So it wasn't like completely dark or anything, but the sun was Oh no, no, no. When I when I was looking at him, there was sunlight that was coming through the trees.
So that's why I'm saying like it was close to sunset because there was some sunlight that was coming through and I noticed that the even though I couldn't make out any facial features because of a lot of the shadows, there was some sunlight coming through like that was that was hitting you know, parts of his hair, and the hair on his back was like really clumped together. I don't know if it was dirty or oily or what, but I remember
it being clumped together. And that hair that the hair that the sun was hitting was kind of a it was kind of a reddish brown. Have you encountered like bears in the wild? Not that close. I mean, I've been I've been fishing on the river that's around us, and I've seen like a bear cub along the shore. I've seen bear across the road in front of my vehicle, not far away on the other side of the reservation. But uh, I know there's I know there's bears around that come around our
property because you know, I see I see bear scap pretty often. I've just personally remember seen a bear out around our property before I know they're there, I just haven't seen one. I was just curious to see if you could compare the the feeling to something, you know, you were talking about the fear factor, and I was just curious if it was similar to like
if someone encountered a bear out in the wild. The bears that I've seen, you know, have It's been you know, a very limited amount that I've seen, but it seems as if they're always you know, kind of scared and running off, like kind of startled, and they just want to get out of sight. You know. Yeah, when I was looking at this thing, I just had no idea what it was thinking, what it
was going to do. But it definitely looked as if there was you know, it looked as if it was a lot more intelligent than a bear, just by the way it was observing us. You know, you're also with your wife, so I would imagine there would be some you know, instinct about concern for her safety as well. And this isn't a situation where you guys were necessarily like out on a Bigfoot expedition. I mean this is like literally in the yard at your house that this is taking place, Yeah,
just out of our property. I mean, I I did have a I did have a pistol with me, and like when I saw it, it wasn't like I was. It wasn't like I was thinking about shooting a sasquatch at the time or anything like that. But I did have a pistol and when I saw it, like my hand it wasn't like I couldn't function or anything. I could. My hand was on my pistol. But I wasn't planning on taking it out unless I absolutely had to. So after that incident
happened, like did activity at the house continue? So that was in April, and it seemed as if it seemed that and when I had first, when we had first you know, become aware that you know, stuff was going outside, was going on occasionally outside. Was when I came out to get something out of the car that I had started out the story with. And uh, that was in I think it was in October or November of
twenty twelve. So between and April of twenty thirteen is when I had, you know, had the daylight sighting, and it seemed it seemed like after May. It seemed like from May until that following September or late August, like there was what I don't know that there wasn't anything around at the time, but it seemed like as if they were. If they were around, there were a lot more quiet. I mean almost between between May and you know, the end of summer almost or or late summer almost next to no
activity. Has that pattern kind of continued through the years, It kind of it kind of I've I've always told people that, but Chris Spencer, he has a he came out here and set up a Wildlife Acoustics SM four recorder
that he started sometime in late March. And even when I told him, like I I didn't, I didn't think that there was There'd be a few times that there was like questionable stuff that would happen in the early to midsummer, but nothing like nothing like definitive where you knew for sure, and he was he's been reviewing audio and between then and you know, throughout this summer he's been picking up stuff in summertime and not necessarily not necessarily all that close,
a little bit distant and so you know, that could be why, that could be why, you know, during those months, it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of stuff that happens around our property. And you know, maybe maybe maybe in the fall they head this way for a different reason. I don't. I don't really have the answer to that. But even this summer, like it did seem like I don't I don't recall hearing much this summer at all. Has h your why for your kids had a
sighting at your house and experiences and stuff. I mean, obviously I know Sarah has, but for the benefit of the people listening and don't know the stories and stuff, have they experienced things as well? My daughter Chloe, this must have been about two years ago. She was bringing she was bringing
the dog inside. We have a German shepherd, and she said that, she said that over by one of our apple trees, she saw what she describes as a bigfoot running away towards the trees from the apple tree as soon as she walked out. And I believe her because Chloe's not even she's not even into bigfoot at all. And if I mean it's it's all, well, she could have been mistaken it for something else. I just don't have a I just don't have a reason to discredit her. I mean, she's
not right. She's not she's not out telling her story to people or anything like that. That's the one time she told me. I mean, what else would she mistake for a big foot running away from the apple tree? You know? I mean, if there was a if there was a you know, a human that was possibly like snooping around looking to steal something, that's always a possibility. But I don't think that's what she was describing. I mean, again, you live, you know, on a reservation.
It's a pretty small community. I think everybody knows you. I think somebody would be pretty damn stupid, like be snooping around on your property like that. I don't I don't think anybody would do that. Yeah, I mean you can never you can never say that nobody would because there's always somebody I'm enough to do something. But yeah, I otherwise, I don't have a reason to believe that anybody was around, you know, on that particular night.
So when did the infamous thermal footage happen? In the grand scheme of things that would have been in October, there was October thirtieth of twenty thirteen, and Ben and I we were we were outside by the fire and there there was there was cattle that was behind us, and there were some of them were getting shipped to another location, you know when they back in those
big cow trailers and start loading them up. And so there was some of the cows had you know, family members that were missing, and they were just like putting on a show that night, just like crying and bellowing, like really loud, you know, in a way that you could only surmise that a cow I was crying or upset about something, bellowing, just making a lot of noise. And so it was. It was loud that night.
But there was a there was one time where Ben and I hear something that sounded like tapping that was coming from where the thermal was taking and I had got out the thermal camera and I'm looking over in that direction and I'm seeing I'm seeing like lower to the ground at first, like this human shaped looking head looking nothing like the other cows, and that you know we're around at the time, and it's laying it's laying on the ground at that point,
and I'm trying to Uh, we had We had just been lent that camera, and so I was not that familiar with the device, and I was trying to figure out how to get it to record. And by the time I'm by the time i'm you know, trying to record, it's a changed position to where it's you know, now, when I'm looking at it, there's this berm that drops down and so half of it's half of like
the lower half of the body is below this ridge. So You're just seeing it peeking up from the chest up chest shoulders, head of the ridge. And I'm thinking that I'm taking video at that time, but what I'm doing is I'm taking snapshots. And so when I realized I wasn't recording, my brother Ben took the camera and he was messing with it, and then he got it. He got it recording, and that's that's how that had happened. And I don't know if there was a I don't know if there was
what the reason for as far as the camera stopping. I don't know if it was the batteries that we were using or somebody. I think I think David Ellis had said that there was an auto shutdown feature on the camera I don't know. I don't know if there was an auto shutdown feature on it or if it was the batteries. But at two minutes and twenty seconds it stops recording. And then by the when it stopped recording, and by the time we got it got the camera on again, I mean, the creature
was gone. So the camera was lent to you, and it was lent to you for the specific purpose of trying to get footage of something if you had the opportunity, right, Yes, I mean this footage was a big deal whenever it came out. I still think it is a big deal. I think it's a tremendous piece of evidence. A lot of people have spent a lot of time analyzing it, coming to your property, checking out where
it happened and everything. And as far as I know of anybody that's actually visited the property and you know, looked at the area itself where the thing was at all that, I mean, everybody's kind of on board with, yeah, that's a bigfoot I can't think of anybody that's really you know, obviously you have the Internet people who don't really know anything that are just like, oh, that's a cow because there is a cow in the footage at
some point. Yeah, but I mean some of the comparison shots and everything, that thing was massive and it doesn't look anything like a cow. And it not that you have to defend it or anything, but can you kind of briefly give the reason why it's not a cow? Well, for one, like through a thermal camera, a cow's ears are going to light up, they're going to show it's gonna a thermal camera is going to show heat, and so it's still going to show heat on a cow's ears. This
head is not anything like a cow's head. And it's it's one solid subject. It's not a it's not a it's not a it's not multiple animals that group together. There's been people that have you know, suggested that that's what it is. The problem is, uh, I actually didn't know this until
Uh there was this guy who had a YouTube channel. His name was Bigfoot Tony and he was playing with the speeds on it and you could it doesn't it seems like when uh, it seems like when you know, Ben and I have it on on film there it seems as if it's hardly moving at all until you actually play with the speeds. Then you can see you know, movement and moving around very very subtly. What do you think it was doing just checking you guys out or checking out the cattle or what. I
really don't know. I personally think that the cows were making so much noise that it drew its attention over there and like, hey, what's going on over here? Why these where are these guys? I'm gonna go see what these guys are fussing about. That's just my opinion. I don't know. Was there any like tracks or anything where it was at Uh, yeah, there was a There was two that were pretty good, I mean good for you know, good enough to cast, But I don't remember how many of
them were actually like visible. There might have been, you know, some other smudges where it's like that's not really that's not really worth anything. But that's that's kind of where our brain was at the time, because you know, we didn't know that, oh, you need to like cast everything that you got. So we got some casting material. We ended up only having enough to do one of them, I believe, or we just chose to
do the cleanest one out of all of them. But we did take pictures or Sarah did, my wife, She did take pictures, you know, of where the prints were. So there's the before and after, and we do have the we still have the cast of you know, where it was standing on the thermal video. I don't remember if we've even ever talked about it really, but I mean you hear a lot of reports and stuff. You know, a lot of the investigations that I did where it was people
who had these things coming up on their property. You had them messing around with things on the property itself. Sometimes it would you know, they would take something and then bring it back or move it in the yard or something, or slap the side of the house. Did you experience anything like that.
I didn't experience any like uh. I mean there has been there has been some things that are weird, but it's hard to it's hard to attribute it completely to bigfoot, Like I mean, let's say, uh, let's say like uh, one of our one of our trees or something that snapped. I mean, there could be other explanations for that, you know,
I'm talking about like like small trees that are planted m hm. And so it's kind of it's kind of difficult to determine if that actually was by a bigfoot, but there was a I've heard a lot of people talk about like an active areas, about hearing having like their house tapped on or slapped and stuff like that. Yeah, I never I never noticed that until it must have been a year and a half or two years ago. I was.
I was dead asleep at midnight twelve thirty sometime around then, and I just hear this bang on the side of the house and I got up, grabbed my pistol and go outside. I'm expecting to see like the garbage cans outside like tipped over or something, you know, like some type of animal messing with it. There was nothing disturbed on the outside of the house. I mean, it was just one bang on the side of the house and that
was it. Aside from that, my my kids have my kids have talked about hearing tapping on their windows at night, and it's gotten to the point where I mean, this was this was a couple of years ago, and I mean it was to the point where you know, they were afraid at times, not not constantly, but when it would happen, it would it
would get him spooked out. Has the dog ever picked up on anything I mean, I know you can't ask it or anything, but has it ever alerted that he might be kind of suspicious that it was alerting to a bigfoot earlier earlier this year, I was I was sitting outside and had a fire going, and there was I don't remember what the vocalization was, but there was a vocalization that we heard, and then he just I mean, he's a big german shepherd. He ran to the back door of the house and
like it was like he didn't want any smoke. He just wanted to go inside. He was out, Yeah, I mean, no barking, nothing. He just didn't want to have anything to do with that. Like, wasn't there another like thermal signature or something that you guys saw on the field. Yeah, So we're going down this We're going down this trail. It's the same area that I all one in the daylight. We're going down that trail and as we get down there, it smells like it's like a smell
that smells like garbage. And it must be about one o'clock in the morning, and me and Ben and Shane are just like just staying still for a moment, and Shane's looking around with the thermal camera and then he's like, oh, he I think she's from behind a tree over here. And then he's describing like a big head that's you know, peeking out and nope, he's looking at that for it seems as if it was seconds or so.
I don't remember how long it was, but then it was there's a there's a creek down there, and all of a sudden, there's just like it sounded like huge objects were getting thrown into the creek, and uh, we were just like, oh, we're getting uh, we're getting pretty worked up. I think I was more afraid than everybody else in the group was. And because we're in the wooded area, they're Shane seeing something behind the tree, and then we're hearing this splashing gun by the creek, which it sounds
like something is trying to differ our attention over that way. But I just wanted to get out of the tree line and get into the open field where I don't have to worry about, you know, as something right around the next bend that I'm not expecting, you know, I mean, I know we're going there to I know we're going there to, you know, try to see if we can see a sasquatch. But it's when they're that close at night, it does it does seem kind of scary. I mean,
do you feel that they're like a predator, some sort of predator. Do you feel threatened by them or I don't feel like they've ever tried to do anything to like hurt us or anything like that. I don't. I think that you know, something like that could happen with any animal if you tested your limits. But uh, I've as far as other stories on the reservation goes, I've heard of them throwing rocks at people while they're fishing. I've
heard that more than one time, probably three or four times. Have you talked to anybody on the reservation. That's also how a siding. I've talked
to quite a few people that I've seen them. That was That was one of the first things that I did after after seeing one in the daylight, was Ah, I was thinking, man, based on the based on the time that I spend outside, this other guy spends like all of his time outside fishing, hunting, everything not sick, and he just lives up the road for me, So I was like, I know that he had experiences with him if if I've if he spends that much more time outside than I
do. And I just started asking him about it, and yeah, he would, he would tell me his stories and they they seemed believable. I'm I'm just wondering how long these things have lived in that area, in the within like the community like that and everything. I mean, I know you and I years ago have like talked about all this stuff, like how they possibly travel around your property and everything, and it's just kind of a really unique environment. There seems to be like a lot of history with them in
the area. I believe it was. It was in the eighties whenever that deputy sheriff or somebody found the tracks over there, Yeah, over in Porter Creek, and that's about that's about ten miles away as far as the crow flies from where we live. I mean, I don't think that that's out of range to I mean, not necessarily. That's a long time ago, being in the eighties, and what seemed to be you know, adult sasquatch footprints, So I wouldn't even know if like those would still be alive at
this point. But one would think that what we've experienced around our property is there's a there's at least a possibility like you're dealing with sasquatch that were maybe related to the report from Port Creek and around the area back in the eighties. You know, everybody always ask the same question, what do you think they are? But like, does their behavior come across as an animal or
a human to you? I don't know. I mean we have there's been there's been things that I've heard when Ben and I have you know, been outside back in twenty thirteen, like by the fire where it sounded like there was some type of death talking going on. I mean, if they're if they're talking, that seems like it's that seems like it's uh, it sounds
like it's getting pretty close to human, you know. I mean, you say, a lot more primitive, but uh, I mean, if they got to if they have some type of language that they're able to communicate with, it seems like they're seems like they're of a higher intelligence than you know, just a gorilla. You know, what was the most recent thing that you attribute to them that's happened on your property in the last couple of months. There's been there's been some you know, distant things that I've heard.
Uh, some maybe even closer than others. But uh, Chris got some Chris got some recordings in August that he emailed to me, and you know, they're from our property and they it sounds like it sounds like some type of yelling going around going on in the field behind us, kind of by the river. And there's accompanied with some tree knocks as well. I thought that was pretty interesting. If you walk out your back door, how far away is the recorder that he has set up? Probably three hundred yards?
Man, doesn't that spook you out a little bit? Like these recordings that you know it's picking up and like the vocalizations and stuff is like, I mean, it's right there. You know. Like whenever I was actively going out in the field at the peak of my research career whatever you want to call it, I was driving like three hours away from my house and you're talking about like, yeah, I walk out my back door and it's just like right there, you know. Yeah, I mean that would be unnerving,
I would think. Yeah. And the thing about back in twenty thirteen is there would be times, like even on work nights, that I'd stay up really late, like twelve thirty one o'clock in the morning, and it seemed like it seemed like around midnight, like eleven thirty and midnight, it seems like the odds were better of something happening, you know, as it got a little bit later. Yeah, And I simply I simply haven't been
staying up that late anymore. And that's, you know why, A lot of why, I mean, you just get keep burned out doing that. But there was there was a there was a good solid year that I was staying up a long time. I remember back whenever we used to both be staying up late at night on the phone together like a couple of little high school girls, and like listening to stuff like over the phone, like being on the phone with you and then like howling and stuff in the background.
Yeah, I remember. I remember specifically, I was on the phone with you one time, and I mean, this wasn't there's a there's an old house that's on our property. It's not the house we live in, but we use it for storage and stuff. And I was sitting at the gazebo and I hear I hear a slap on that house, and I was like, did you hear that? You're yeah, yeah, yeah, But I
remember that and I remember there. I remember talking with you, and you know, there was some other things that I believe you heard over the phone too. I can't remember what it was, but there's something triggering in my memory about the barn. It's not your barn, it's not on your property, but it's close by. I think, yeah, yeah, Uh, one time, one time, my friend Kirk and uh West Germer and Shannon Shannon Lagreaux was over and we took a walk over there, and it was
there was quite a bit of rainfall that was coming down that night. So the at the time it was the it was our tribes barn. So it wasn't like it wasn't like we were trespassing or anything like that, like we could we could beat there, but they just they had just used it for like storing like heavy equipment and stuff at the time, I believe. So we were just we're just standing under there and because it's you know, rain
and hard, we're in that barn. And I'm not I'm not attributing this to Bigfoot and I'm not I'm not saying that, I'm not saying that it's impossible that there wasn't some person with a headlamp but uh, as we're in the barn, Kirk says, hey, what's that light that's heading towards us right now? And it looks as if it's just a like like a white light that's coming towards us. And so I'm assuming it's like somebody in a
headlamp. But I'm thinking, like, what are they doing at one o'clock in the morning with you know, headlamp on, you know, coming through the woods. And uh, Kirk's the one with a thermal camera at that time, and so it kept coming towards us and then it just dove towards the ground. Kirk was saying like he could he he was the first one to see the light that was coming towards us, and he was just saying that there was there was nothing on thermal. As he was looking at it,
he couldn't see anything on thermal. He could see the white light, but when he's looking through the thermal imager, there's nothing like he should be able to see it. And that's uh that that's kind of going down like a rabbit hole. Not saying that, I'm not saying that it was anything. Maybe maybe we were looking at a person with a white head lamp.
That's that's possible. But it was weird that they weren't detected through the thermal imager because there wasn't there wasn't a lot of in the in that particular area. There wasn't a lot of like underbrush that I would think would be enough
to diffuse the thermal imager. And and where did they go that I don't know, Like every like everything, everything like stopped right there, like as far as the light goes, and then on then on the other side of the building, we hear this smack as we're in there, and then that's when we are getting a little bit jumpy, and you know, we got out of there. But I don't I don't think that I don't know what any of that was. But that's just that story has been told before.
It's not necessarily my favorite story to tell. But that happened, and there could be a there could be a perfectly you know, logical explanation as to, you know, what all of that was. But I do think that I do think it's possible that weird things happen, you know as well, right right, And so I don't think like we were seeing I don't think that we were seeing like a sad I don't attribute that sasquatch to that life to a sasquatch like uh hatching you know out of a portal or anything like
that. But I mean you have seen what people would call orbs or strange lights in the area. I mean, I'm not tribuning in that is necessarily connected to bigfoot or anything, but I mean it is definitely something weird. I mean, I maybe it was a person. I don't know. There's been a as far as like the as far as like the strange lights that like, like I don't even know, I don't even know what an orb is, but like a strange light. There was one time I was outside
and I could see this. I could see this red light that was, you know, just one red light that was, you know, moving over by the tree line. It's not impossible that what I saw wasn't somebody with a red headlamp on that was like you know, looking to uh pick mushrooms or something like that. That's that's possibility, but it was just it was
weird seeing that red light moving through there. So there's there's that, and you know, on a on another time, I seen this, uh a couple of or this orangish light orangish reddish light on the hillside that I've never seen before. It could have been some strange you know, natural human light over and off in the distance, but it was just weird. I'd never seen it before. There was a strange coyote pelt or something. Yeah. Did I send you pictures of that at the time. I don't. I
don't remember if you sent me pictures or not. I'm trying to remember like everything, Like what was the story behind that? Oh well, I mean, it was just it was just an obscure spot on the on the Barberire fence, you know, that's on the border of our property, and I just happened to be walking through or it wasn't like it wasn't like it was in a spot that stood out or anything. But it was a coyote pelt,
just like the fur you know, attached. Yeah, not a body of a coyote, not like a coyote got caught up in the Barboier fence. No, not a body, no, as if it was skinned and it was just wrapped around the the Barboier fence. And I don't I just thought that was weird because that's not that's not that's not something that's gonna that's
like funny, it's not something that's gonna get my attention. Like, if you wanted to get my attention, you know, do something to weird me out, put that on my windshield, you know, right, And that's creepy, dude. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that. So you've you know, gone to other places besides your property. Have you had anything where it happened somewhere else? Oh? Yeah, definitely in the Cascades, I have. There's been. I've been on I've been on trips
with friends in the Olympics where other people have had stuff happen. But you know, when you're spread out at different camps and stuff like that, everybody's you know, off doing their own thing. There there's a good chance that you're not going to be a part of any activity that's had on that trip. In the Cascades, there's been, there's been. Uh, there's a place that we go to and yeah, there's there's quite a few things that
have happened throughout the years. Good vocalizations, uh, really loud knocks and it's it has a it has a good history of reports throughout the years as well. I mean, I know a few of the people that you go out there with and they all have stories from there as well that are pretty crazy. It sounds like a pretty active area. Yeah, it's been active
for a long time. Why do you think, like you have like that spot right, and it seems like a lot of the stuff that happens there is like loud, really bold stuff, and then you have the behavior around your house, Like why do you think like the differences in behavior, like do you think they're just trying to like sneak around or something where you're at or are they more used to being around people where you are compared out there,
or I don't know. I would I would kind of think that in that area in the Cascades that they would feel and this is just my thought. I would think that they would feel certain areas like a little more entitled, like, hey, nobody camps here. You guys shouldn't be camping here, you know. And that's that's just my that's just my thoughts. So I think that's why some of the behavior can come across as a little more bold on their part. But one thing that this isn't This isn't anything that's
groundbreaking or anything like that. I would imagine that they probably sound similar in different regions, but the whoops, like the whoop like that kind of vocalization, they basically sound close to identical from the whoops that I've heard here and over there. Do you have people still coming to your property and investigating other than just you know, setting up the audio recorders. No, I mean as far as sometimes we'll have sometimes we'll have friends come over for a camp
out or in a barbecue and things like that. But other than that, I mean, it's it isn't like it isn't like before. Not that you ever tried to, like, you know, put the limelight on your property or anything with it. But I just know that, you know, like you're saying before, there's a lot of people always trying to come to your property and investigating stuff. And I just wondered if you had kind of squashed that and eased off from that. Yeah, I mean we've we've definitely,
we've definitely held off on that. But the reason that we the reason that we allowed some people to you know, come out beforehand, was because you know, we have when you when you're saying, hey, I got a thermal video, and we got these audio recordings that we believe are sasquatch and stuff like that, and you got enough of them. It's you're kind of that's kind of big talk. So you have to you kind of have to have people verify that you're not just you know, full of crap, and
that there's legitimacy to it. So that was the that was the whole intention of doing that in the first place. Yeah, I mean, there's not too many people that are in a situation like you, uh, where they've actually faced the fire of the Bigfoot community, you know which and be a difficult task. It causes a lot of problems because, you know, the first thing people do is try to pick it apart and dissect it and call
you a liar and call you a hoaxer and everything else. And that's to me, one of the interesting things about your thermal footage is that it's held up to scrutiny with anybody that's actually looked into it and actually taken the time to verify any of it. One story, the guy who had the cattle that was here, he had a he would he would you know, lease out the field from the tribe behind us. And you know, when he
would be tending to his cattle and stuff. He told me that one time he was down by the river and he saw something brown that was in the river and it was bent over with its head underwater, and it was harry and brown. And I was like, was it a bear deer? Elk no, no, no enough. It was on two legs. It was bent over with its head in the water, on two legs. Yeah. And this guy wasn't This guy wasn't like into bigfoot or anything like that by
any means. I mean, how deep is the river right there? He described it being in the summertime, so I mean there's probably some areas where you know, it's still there's still deep pockets. Yeah, I don't know. It seemed like he said, it was like up to its waist and it just had its it had its head underwater. Like I don't I don't know what it would be tuned with its head underwater. I'm sure there's a good reason for that, but I just can't think of it. I could
it have been trying to fish or catch a fish or something. That's the only thing that makes sense to me, because it doesn't seem like a very smart way to take a drink of water by putting your head on it. I know this woman here in Oklahoma, and very early on in the podcast, I had her and her sister come on, and her her sister had a sighting of what I believe was a bigfoot while she was fishing. But like the one that she saw was underwater and raised up from beneath the surface.
Like she never saw it like get in the water or anything. She just saw it kind of bob up and then go back under and she freaked out and left. And I this area where she was fishing at was a river where they do a lot of noodling, which is hand fishing, like catching catfish with their hands, like diving under the water and catching fish. And I wondered if, like, is it possible that they had seen like
people doing that there and that that's what they were doing. It was just so weird, So like I wonder, you know, if this was like another case where maybe it was fishing, it could have been. That's that's one of the first things that I was thinking of, because it's not like it lost its ring and it's looking for that or anything. I mean, there's just like, you know, you were talking about your grandfather's story. But there's like lots of stories of like them taking like fish from fishermen and
stuff, especially out where you live. Yeah, I've heard of I've heard one of the fishermen telling me about going to check his net and seeing a sasquatch at his net pulling fish out of it. And I don't remember what. I don't remember he said that he did afterwards, if he left or if it ran off or what happened. But there's that story in particular, and I've heard I've heard of them doing that on other reservations as well, but I think that's the only one that I'm familiar with that they've done on
our reservation. I mean, if they've done it once, I'm sure they do it all the time, because I mean that's it's not very hard to watch somebody fish with a net and like, oh, you just have to pull the fish out of there. Cool. Yeah. One one story that I forgot about was I can't remember if it was at the beginning of twenty twenty two or if it was the beginning of twenty twenty one, but I just remember it was early in the year. I can't remember how long.
How far in advance that he said it was. I thought it was a couple of weeks. But I go to the I go to the gas station and it was it's on the reservation. It's really busy, and there's a lot of people and a long line in there. And the guy that's the guy that was working in there, he was he's close to my age and just he starts talking. I'm at the counter and he goes, hey, I saw one of those creepy black things cross the road by your house a
couple of weeks ago. I was kind of embarrassed because he's talking about this in public, you know, and there's people around. And I was like, all right, so you mean like a sasquatch. He's like eh, And I was like, what was it doing. He goes, they just crossed the road and went and the trees be over by your place. He's like, it was all it was all black. And I was like, was it big? And he goes, no, it wasn't that big. It was close to our side. And that was crossing the road by your
house, like the road that goes in front of your house. Yeah, there's a culvert over there. And he said that's where it was. BA. Has that area across from your house been developed at all? No, because you know I always thought that that was a good spot over there. Uh huh, No, there's no, there's not much that's there's not much
in the general area that's changed over the years. Wow. I would think that a bigfoot would if there was a whole lot of changes, And if you were a Bigfoot, I would think that that would, you know, be something that would maybe make you think, like it's getting little too populated
here, maybe we should not come here so often whatever. I don't know, I mean, and maybe that's the reason that they've hung around there for so long, because it is a reservation, so you don't have like a whole lot of like booming growth in population or you know, clearcutting and new buildings being built and stuff like that over the years like you do in regular
society. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's private land that's around us, and you know, it's there's it's not like there's a big housing development anywhere close. You've got the audio recorder on your property, but uh, something that you know, I'm sure people listening would want to know, do you have video cameras or trail cams or anything set up on your property trying to get footage of one. Uh, well, Chris has a Chris Spencer
has a contraption that he set up. It's something without without like giving too much detail. Yeah, like I don't really know that. I don't really know that he wants. I don't really think I could speak to his setup that he has going on, but uh, he does have he does have something that he's trying out. So you have a YouTube channel, Yeah, and you've posted some of the stuff from your property on there. But talk
a little bit about the documentary that you made. So when you were when we were talking about that area and the cascades that we go, that's a lot of those stories, are you know from then? And uh, it was when I when I made that, Like we go we go out camping quite a few times per year at that particular spot, and it doesn't like it. It isn't like something I mean just like just like our property.
It's not like just because you go outside, it's not like something's gonna happen every night, right, But there's there's certain places like our property in that place in the cascades where you definitely have better odds than other places over the years. There's some stories from there that I wanted to share, and it took me a long time, but I finally did put up a thirty five minute little documentary on you know, some things that were that we considered interesting
and some vocalizations that were captured. Uh. Kirk actually got a couple of really good recordings that are on there. Kirk Brandenburg, do you plan on doing future documentaries? I would like to. I would like to. I mean when I'm when I go out camping, you know, I I take video of you know, stuff that I think looks cool and stuff like that. But uh, I mean, it's just a matter of if there's if there's enough evidence that you know, gets built up from you know, different
different trips that we take. You know, it's a it's a strong possibility. Have you ever thought about making a documentary about your story and your property and everything? Yeah, I have, and that's I've I've started it before I've stopped. I've but yeah, that is one of the things that I've planned to do so that you know, everything can I think I think everything would be put into a better context for everybody and they'd have a better understanding
of you know, what we're talking about. Yeah, I mean, because it's an interesting story and it's you know, that's what I try to express to people that Like, for instance, the other night, I was a guest on Bigfoot Society with Jeremiah Byron, And it's kind of weird whenever I'm in the guest seat because I'm telling my stories and you know, people want
to hear the experiences and everything. But that stuff took place over a very long amount of time, you know, and you're just getting it condensed down into an hour. And I feel that your property is the same way. There's so much stuff that's happened and been experienced at your house and around your house, but it's over an extremely large amount of time, and I mean
it's still ongoing. It's still something that's happening now. So to condense the story down and putting it sort of in a sequence of events and timeline, I think would be really interesting and beneficial. Yeah. And as I was telling you before we started, before you started recording, I had just talked with a guy yesterday who was you know, telling me his bigfoot stories that you know, he had from the last year or so, just on another
area of the and we're not we're not. We're not like these special Indians on the reservation who you know, uh get these they're not. It's not like we have visitations or anything like that. Like they pass through from time to time. There's other places. There's other places on the reservation where you know people, other people got stories as well. So it's it's not for our reservation. It's not that special. There's there's quite a few people that
have you seen them before? So what's the name of your YouTube channel if people want to check it out, It's a Salish Sasquatch. Salish Sasquatch say that six times fast. I guess you probably could. All right, man, uh, I appreciate you coming on and talking to me, of course. I'm glad that our friendship has been rekindled. Yeah, for sure, thanks for having me on. Yeah, man, I'm definitely gonna have you on in the future. We can share some more exciting stuff from the Brown
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