Ep:89 Brown Springs Bigfoot

Like I said, I've been staking out areas. You know, whenever someone has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an area to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create like dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines, in electrical rideaways, gas rideaways, you know, sometimes by myself, and that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like far none the craziest

place I've ever been. And I've only been there once. I've been in Louisiana, I've been in Texas, East Texas, I've been in Southeast Texas. I've been in all over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've been in Ohio, North Carolina. This place, brown Springs is probably, bar none, the scariest place I've ever been. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt. I'm your host. If you haven't done so already, check out Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links to merchandise, all the

social media, all the past episodes, everything all in one place. And if you had a big Foot encounter of your own or encountered something else strange, you can't explain. I want to hear about it, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com, and with no further ado, I am joined by a very very special guest, the host of the Bigfoot Club podcast, my good friend, mister Robert Jesse Domingoz. Hey, Matt, I was I was hoping you're gonna introduce me as Robert Jesse Domingus Mangus. How

you doing, man, I'm good, man, I'm good. I was ready for this. I'm ready to talk to you today. I was excited about you know, you booked me for this one, so I'm excited. I was just recently on your podcast, or at least a recording session of your podcast. Yes, yes, I believe that's episode nineteen. I I'm going to release it on Friday, so nice. So these will be coming out probably on the same day then, so probably it's just a double whammy

of goodness. Yes. Well, I got a really interesting message sent to me today on Facebook that I have been waiting all day to talk to you about. Okay, Now, I will preface this by saying this happened yesterday, which was Halloween. Okay, and as a Bigfooter, you know what it's like around April Fool's Day and Halloween, it gets kind of sketchy in the Bigfoot world. This information is probably not true, but I feel like it needs to be addressed anyways. So there is a Facebook page of we'll

say a local person. They run this Facebook page not as a personal page, but more of a platform for them just to try to be a local celebrity or something like that. They post local news. I've seen a lot of their posts being centered around like helping local people in the community. I've seen them like don't space heaters and things like that to people that need them, donating food to people that need it. And I didn't see any shenanigans going on to speak of. Now, I'm not like a member of the

page. I haven't followed or anything. I just checked it out today. And the reason I checked it out is because Evans Bailey of the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization also known as no Bro, asked me if I had heard this information that this other Facebook page was putting out on Halloween, they said,

breaking news, two Wagner County hunters claimed to have killed Bigfoot. Roger and Daniel Klein say they were both in a tree stand filming a hunt when the creature was hit as it crouched behind an eight point buck that Roger had his sights on and shot with a powerful muzzle loader as Daniel filmed the whole encounter. Oklahoma Wildlife Management are on the scene now, along with the Wagner

County Sheriff Department, closing the area off. Early reports say Oklahoma State Wildlife Department have recommended that honey season in the county be suspended until further notice. From Bear Thompson Road east to the Arkansas River and a Highway fifty one bee all the way north to the Tallahassee Loop have been blocked off and are only accessible to residents in the area who now have a stay inside with locked Door's

recommendation. Sources say Roger is very distraught and at times unconsolable for killing the human like creature. Stay tuned for more details now. As of that time, there were no more details. A couple of other posts had been made,

but they were about helping people in the community. The poster of the information didn't respond to any of the comments, and while most of the comments were you know, people making jokes and things like that, one commenter said, I actually spoke with a friend of mine who lives in the area just one mile away, and they say the story is not fake and he is

not a bigfoot believer. One person, one person. Now, Wagner County is a very rural county here, and I have personally looked for bigfoot in that county, and I know people who have actively researched the area in question. There have been sightings out there. I would dare say that bigfoot does exist in the area. However, I couldn't find any other information. I couldn't find the people well mentioned in the post. I mean you would.

It would be one thing to cover up a bigfoot being shot, But the part where it says that they had closed off the area and issue a stay inside and lock the doors order, you can't cover that up, like the local sheriff department and the wildlife department, and it was the Wagner County Sheriff Department closing the area off according to the post. Muzzleloader. That's a pretty

big rifle, right, Yeah, that's like a black powder rifle. Deer season has just kind of recently started, and I believe muzzleloader is like kind of like a primitive firearm, and they allow them to hunt first in the season. So that's that's a lot of that's a lot of stuff too encompass here. And then there's also the part where it's specifically saying these two guys were filming what they were doing and film the entire incident. Yeah, and

I have seen no film being posted anywhere. How far Wagner County. How far is that way for me? Thirty minutes, forty five minutes around that, depending on where it's at in Wagner County. That's pretty close. Evan said that, you know, people in his group were looking into it. They're contacting people because you know, they're from Oklahoma, so people know people, and so it's going beyond the Bigfoot world is the point. But yeah, I mean that's that's pretty much hot off the press. That was as

of yesterday. At the time of recording this, there wasn't any more information. Nobody had said, oh I was just joking for Halloween, none of that stuff. So I don't know, you know, if they normally close an area that would be on the news, would it not. I don't think you'd be able to close an area and keep it out of the news in that in this area, right, Something like that. That part kind

of flabbergasted me a little bit. How the news is not I mean it would it would hit locally to you, and then if like nationally, if they want to pick it up, they'll pick it up and then it'll go all over the internet and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, So, like if they were issuing an order it says a recommendation that residents stay inside and lock their doors. I don't know what the purpose of that would be, but if they were to issue something like that in the area, I

mean, the local news stations are going to pick that up somehow. Yeah, somebody's going to call somebody and tell them or something, and they're going to want to know what's going on. They're going to report that it's happened. I mean, anytime there's any sort of like lockdown or safety threat that happens anywhere around Tulsa, it gets in the news. Yeah. To me, this sounds like a little bit of embellishment on who was ever issuing this

post or this statement. Like I said, most likely not true. But if someone listening happens to uh live there and knows more information than I do, please reach out to me or if you hear about, you know, a bigfoot getting killed in Oklahoma. This is probably what they're talking about. Did it say anything about university being involved at all? No, No university talk, no tribal talk, nothing like that. I mean, because if this was if this was you know, the men in black, this statement

probably wouldn't even come out. It was probably just scooped it up and gone. But well, that's the thing. The guy didn't you know, the guy that posted didn't give any sources or anything like that either, So I don't know now. The person posting it is from Wagner County, so there's definitely the chance that if something like this was going on, somebody notified him just you know, hey, did you hear this was going on? That

person has some kind of insight in the county. So yeah, okay, right, And I did not you know, reach out or anything like that. I didn't want to step on anybody else's toes, not that anybody has specific rights or anything. But like I said, Evan said that they were looking into it, so I'll just let them look into it. Interesting. Well, Matt, keep us in the loop on this intriguing you know,

news out in Wagner County. Another rumor of a killed bigfoot. Well, people always ask, you know, well, how come nobody's ever shot one? If they really exist? Well, there's actually lots and lots of stories of people doing it. It's just they're either not true or the stories just disappear for some reason. Yeah, go to Wagner County. Go to Wagner County. What really sucks is my uncle, who's no longer with us,

used to be the main judge of Wagner County. And I would have just been able to pick up the phone and be like, hey, what's happening. Yeah, dang, you would pick up like the bat phone. Yeah, Colt Commissioner Gordon. Yeah. And you know the area that he lived in. He lived in Tahaqua, And I mean that's as squatchy as you can get. Man. They've had bigfoot sightings. I remember in my childhood there being bigfoot sightings out in Tallaquah and it making the news and like that

was so cool as like a little kid. You know, there was one where like a woman was standing at her kitchen window washing dishes and she just happened to look up and look out her window and there was one like digging through the burn barrel behind their house. Wow, And she called the cops and the sheriff went out there and found tracks and everything else. And my uncle was the judge at the time that that happened and knew the deputy that

went and handled the call and everything. And he told me face to face, he said, yeah, that deputy said that those tracks were one hundred real and that there was no way that woman was lying. Now correct me if I'm wrong. When I was living in Tulsa, didn't we have a story near Tallaquah or in Tataquah of the lady that had here. She had got some land and she was going to build a house and she had a trailer out there and something was coming by and slapping the trailer in the middle.

Yeah, it was that in Taqua. Yeah, same area. And then like she reached out, she reached out either to me or I think it was to you, and Uh, I wanted to go out there and go check it out. And then before we could do it, her her husband nixed it and didn't want to then communicate with us again after that. Yeah. Well, speaking of Evans Bailey and Nobro Uh, something we taught talked about on your show A little Bit is a photo that recently came out.

Yes, what did you think about the photo? You know, I with us being in this field for such a long time, we rerun into so many game cam stuff, and uh, this this one was kind of intriguing because it the highlight on it was you could see, you know, a forehead, a possible sagital crests, the eyebrows, the nose, a stern chin. It looked like Kurt Douglas. But you know, to me, it looked like something there was. There's something there now, there was

now there was continuous like photos of this like profile not being there. To me, it would have been something to even think about. But it was it's not enough. It's not enough for me, you know. And there was something there and it was pretty intriguing. But I don't know, I've seen so many game cams where you know, Bigfoot's avoid it. You know,

Bigfoot avoids game cams. That's always been like my theory. So well, I posted the photo yesterday or the day before the day before, and you know, it got mixed responses, of course, just from the general audience. The photo had been sent to me prior to its release. I looked at it. I couldn't find any red flags as far as any sort of manipulation or anything like that going on. There was one issue that I had with it that was explained and had nothing to do with the original owner

of the photo, just in the posting of the photo. They had put their logo on it just to protect it, you know, and yeah, had trimmed part of the photo off, so it was a different to mension the comparison shots. But they were responsible for that and explain why it happened and everything else. So I don't have any issue with that. In the area that was trimmed wouldn't even matter. It wasn't enough to make a difference. It wasn't like something was trimmed out of the photo to hide something That

wasn't the case. I've looked at the comparison shots. I mean, like you're saying, it's not enough to really determine anything. But like the people investigating it, you know, no, bro, they haven't been able to find any sort of mask or costume or anything like that, and I haven't

either. Yeah. I think I think you mentioned that on on our podcast that you you didn't find this because you can always you always see like three or four different bigfoot costumes that are going around being sold and people are worrying them. And I recall you saying, because this one it doesn't look like anything in any kind of costumes I've seen before. Yeah, it's definitely not anything I instantly recognized. Now that doesn't mean it's not it's just right.

It didn't ring any bells or anything. The profile is very interesting. I mean, it looks right. Somebody actually asked me in the Facebook group I have set up for the podcast if it looked like the one I had seen initially in Oklahoma. And the the problem is what I saw was obscured by a couple of branches, and I was looking at it straight on, and this is a profile, yeah, frontal face, and this one's a profile, So yeah, you couldn't compare that. But I mean, as far

as proportions and everything, it looks good. You know. Now, did they have any any pictures of that profile not being there? Yeah, but okay, there's none. That's the only image that has anything in it as far as might be a bigfoot. The problem is that it's just such a small amount to look at that It's like I don't know if it's paradolia. It could just be something else, you know. One person said it looked like a calf turning its head, and another person said it looked like somebody's

elbow wearing a puffy jacket as they're walking away. I mean, it could be. It could be a bush that is being blown by the you know, by the by the wind, and it comes into view and then when the wind's that blowing intensively, it could go back, right. It could be that. Yeah, there's some comparison shots, like I said, and at least one or two of the comparison shots shows a deer, and based on you know, going by the height of the deer, this thing would

be about five feet high off the ground. The face, okay, And then there's another part that's visible in the photo that could possibly be a forearm. Although I that's the one part that if anything looks bad on the photo to me, it's the four on it. It's just kind of a straight line. It looks like a like it almost looks like a two by four. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's impossible to really say just from

the photo. In my opinion, Yeah, because I think that night I posted the same I posted on big Foot Club and I and I and I tagged you and me on it, and then No Bro responded on it if we weren't going to have any of the investigators on our shows, and I just simply stated that, you know, since the that was sent to you by one of them, an investigator for their group, and then so at that time it was now posted freely, so you know, we felt that it was okay to talk about it openly about it. So, yes,

you and I used to be an investigators. So anyway, I just wanted to say that, Yeah, and if you're listening and you want to check out the photo, you can check it out on the big Foot Club Facebook page. You can check it out on the Bigfoot Crossroads Facebook group or on my Instagram or at the original source which is Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization on Facebook. I actually went and read the report which has more information to it.

But again, so recently, one of No Bros. Researchers was mentioned in a news article. Again, it's around Halloween news agency start running bigfoot stories and because of that article, that's why they were sent this photo. Somebody read the article and reached out to them. This is what they say. This report comes from a witness who reached out to the Native Oklahoma Bigfoot Research Organization through the Facebook page via private message. Here is the witness's testimony.

Hi, I just read an article about two encounters near McAllister, Oklahoma, and one of your members were quoted in the article. I'm reaching out because I have a trail camera picture from my farm that has some kind of face profile on it. I am wondering if someone can look at the image and help me understand what it is. Could be nothing, but my whole

family thinks it's a sasquatch face. We have also heard incredibly loud howls and have seen eye reflection in our tree line that we're about nine feet off the ground. I would prefer to not have my name or our location made public if possible, just looking for some clarification for what we are experiencing. Thanks for your time, respectfully, and then the name has been omitted, and then a description of the photos. The first picture will be a large dough

that frequents this part of our property. We noted her head and shoulder position for height reference. The camera is located about eight feet up on a tree above the trail. The face picture also has what might be an arm and a hand on the ground under the face. To us, it looks like a face I ridge, nose, and chin with hair all over it.

We just don't know. We went out and measured the face from the ground and it was between five and six foot based on the height of the back of the deer and where it was about halfway between the deer and the camera. What causes me problems is there are no animals on our farm that are on this trail. Also, the camera triggered again, but nothing was on the captured image. There has been some weird things over the past year. We have had random branches broken off of trees all over the farm. It's

like they were just pulled straight down. Some were almost four inches in diameter and we're a level feet high. Some were six or eight feet high. Also had some big foot shaped dents in the ground, but NodD places, like a left footprint right next to our woodshed with the instep facing the shed. The dent was about three or four inches larger than my boot size twelve. One night, my kids came and woke us up because they heard some

very loud hollering from a filled southwest of the house. We went and looked, but couldn't find anything. We also found a pile of bones from some armadillos and raccoons. I figured that was a bobcat or owl. We have both species here and some are huge. And when we first bought the property, my daughter said she saw what she thought was someone running past her window between the barn and the house towards the woods. Again, we looked but

didn't find anything. This caused us to build a five foot fence and get some large dogs. I do have a few cams now with video, but since this image, we haven't had any visible things happen. Just the hollering and I shine in the tree lines that interesting. I would really like to go out there and look at this property. So I guess he doesn't want anybody coming out to the property, but yet he wants to complain about it. Yeah, just wants clarification on the photo, which, like I said,

the photo, it's just not enough. Now I'm going to let me ask this question. Is no Bro any kind of affiliation with the Bfburrow. No, No, they are totally independent, just based out of Oklahoma. I don't know if they have any researchers outside of Oklahoma. I've known Evans Bailey for a long time now. I consider him a very reliable and solid person. Ryan White is one of the investigators on this particular case. I've had him on here. And Troy Hudson is an investigator with them who's also

on this particular case. And Troy has been researching bigfoot in Oklahoma for as long as I can remember. Well, they sound like some good dudes. Yeah, it's a solid group. I mean, they'll they'll get to the bottom of whatever there is to get to the bottom of. Here's one interesting

note. The tree that has the trail camera on it was located about thirty feet behind a chicken coop, Okay, And it's it's on that trail because it's a deer trail and the deer trail east to west or north south where the trails cross, so it's like a crossing of deer trails right there by a chicken coop. You know, It's always been my theory that that bigfoots avoid trail camps. So maybe if this is actually a bigfoot, maybe was walking in the area and say, oh oh, trail cam back away.

And then win another another direction. Because it's always been again, it's always been my theory that they could see these trail cabs and avoid them at all at all calls. Yeah, it could have triggered the camera and rise it triggered it, realized it and froze and ran off. I don't know, it's unfortunate that it wasn't a video trail camera. Yeah, you know, they did state that they now have ones that have video on it. Video

is way more helpful because they also usually record sound. Yeah, with this, with this photo, with the bigfoot's head being like five ft off the ground, you know, we didn't we didn't talk about it. We talked about it on my show because we were saying that our theory was that it

was on all fours right right, all four walking around. So that's the reason why it was maybe five foot, because someone's gonna prop and say, well, that's a that's a short bigfoot, it's a baby bigfoot or something, you know, And so I just wanted to I wanted to make that clear that we were that was our theory on it. So, yeah, that's kind of why the other thing that's visible in the photo that they're calling

like a possible forearm. That's that's the belief that it was leaning forward on its arms, or it was on all fours at the time that the photo was taken. It's just at the very edge. I mean, mm hmmm. You know, it's one of those things. It's probably going to ultimately stay inconclusive. Well, hopefully this guy, you know, he changes this trail cam to a video and starts getting like more stuff, So hopefully for him, maybe he'll figure out what's going on in this property without you know,

asking for help or something. I mean, you know, the trail cam thing, A lot of people talk about those. You know, there's a lot of theories out there. I mean, you have your own opinion. I have my own opinion. I can tell you this back whenever I was actively researching, members of the group that I was with had a ton of trail cameras. I mean they probably had like seven to twelve trail cameras put out in their area at any one moment. And this is back in

the day. Now, this is four digital cameras were in the trail cameras. Yeah, you had an actual film camera and we would have to go run to Walmart, you know, usually do the one hour processing because we couldn't wait to get the photos, you know, because we're going to have a big foot standing right in front of the camera, of course. And that was always another thing. Well if you did get a photo of bigfoot, would somebody at Walmart steal it and just not put it in your package?

You know, like that whole thing. Yeah, and those those were big and bulky. Those were were they used to take sea batteries. Yeah, you remember that. Yeah, And I mean anybody that's ever owned an old flash camera, an old film camera knows that, like whenever you press the button, it makes a lot of noise, it does. Yeah, and these trail cameras were no different. You know, whenever something triggered them,

you know, they would start buzzing and wind up. And yeah, but we would have this is gonna sound like a crazy exaggeration, but man, it honestly seems this way. We would have like thousands of photos, yeah, thousands, like over the course of like a year, and just pouring over them with magnifying glasses because the vast majority, we're talking ninety eight to ninety nine percent of them didn't have anything noticeable in them. Ever,

And we're talking broad daylight, not nighttime, broad daylight. And then, of course years later you find out, okay, well, the vast majority of these cameras actually use body heat to set off the motion answers. That's how they work. They don't actually project out an infrared beam, but they detect infrared and whenever the temperature changes in this cone area out in front of this camera, it comes out in basically a cone pattern about thirty feet.

If something goes through there and is a different temperature than the environment, the camera triggers and back then the camera trigger response time wasn't even that great. I mean, like a person walking by the camera like five feet away would trigger the camera obviously, but there wouldn't be anything in that photo. So we figured out that, like, well, we're getting a lot of pictures at sun up, Well, that's because the sun's coming up and changing the

temperature of things and just setting the camera off. It's just causing the camera to go off, you know. Is that part of the problem. Is part of the problem, just the fact that the odds of something walking rightly in front of the camera to begin with aren't that great. And then you're talking about something that's super intelligent and hyper aware of its surroundings. And you know, hey, why is that plastic box on the side of the tree.

Where is it making so much noise? Yeah? What's that weird smell? So I don't know, man, I don't know. Hopefully they'll get to investigate the property, maybe some more evidents will show up, and maybe, if we're really lucky, more images will show up, but probably not. So are you ready to talk about the fabled Brown Springs? Yes, I'm ready, I'm ready. I thought these other stories would be a good build up to Brown Springs. Yeah. The kind of the theme of this

episode is Oklahoma Bigfoot rumors mm hmm. And I feel that Brown Springs is one of those places that has a lot of rumors pushing the lore behind the location. Yeah. Absolutely, I think there is some lore there from a Gainsfield case. Is am I? Am I wrong? On it? Is? There's a there's a Gainsfield case. And I've heard too, like two different stories of a couple from gains from Gainesville went there, and I think the boyfriend was killed either his neck was broken and the lady her legs were

bent back or something. Am I am I wrong? On that or is that No, No, I mean that's the story. That's the story, and that is I mean, it's a horrific tell I mean, before we even get started trigger warning, we're gonna ready to talk about some stuff that If little ones are listening, send them to bed, right. So, Brown Springs. Brown Springs is a very old place. It's basically on the

north side of the Red River separating Oklahoma and Texas. It's in Love County, Oklahoma, outside of a town called Thackerville, and then on the other side of the river you got Gainesville, which also has a lot of its own lore. On the south side, there's like the eighteen ninety three bridge over there, something that has like tons of like old paranormal stories and bigfoot stories attached to it. And this whole place, like I said, is

just very old and has lots of lore attached to it. And none of it's good, none of it's good at all. But it's kind of like lbl It's one of those places that stories have kind of made it a destination for bigfooters and bigfoot researchers over the years. And I don't know how much of it's really true. I know, I know for a fact, I've actually been there. I've actually put boots on the ground there. If you want to talk about that. Yeah, yeah, let's talk about your trip

to Brown Springs. What was your experience? So I went with and I can say this because you know Ken Marvel's let me uh, one of the one of the researchers that I was with at TBRC was Ken Marvel. And there's another gentleman I'm not I'm not gonna say his name because I don't have permission. So it was myself, Kin Marvel, this other gentleman that used to be with the TBRC. And then I took my cousin and his wife. My cousin was he was getting into bigfoot stuff and he wanted to go

on a bigfoot excursion. And so Ken Marvel had brought that story about the Games of and and he asked me if I wanted to go check it out. Now, this was whenever you were a member of the tb r C. No, we had we had just left. I had just left the tv r C. And so this was probably like two thousand I want to say it's two thousand and five, two thousand and six. Now I have notes detailed notes somewhere, but in my you know, in my condition and stuff, it's somewhere. I cannot find it. I was looking. I

was looking for it this week, and I could not find it. So there's detailed notes that this other gentleman was so graciously to He sat down and wrote everything that happened to us there. And so whenever, whenever we got there, and like this like you have to you have to, you know, like this was before I started doing paranormal stuff, before I was recruited to do the paranormal stuff. So as soon as as soon as we got there, it was like it was during the day and we we we drove

we you know, we drove in. There's like a dirt road and then then and then you then there's like the grass is like completely high by like three four feet high, and it's like it's it was like in the wintertime, and so this grass was like, you know, it looked like, hey, if someone wanted to harvested for hey, they could probably do it. And so it was least like three feet high, so it was pretty

high. And so once we drove in, we drove really close to the to the Red River and parked and it was this was a dirt road, and so so we ended up parking to like like next to a really really big tree and I got out as soon as I got out that And this is like before I started experiencing paranormal stuff. I had like a heavy feeling like on my chest, like something was like pressing my chest in and I

was making it really hard to breathe. And now it kind of felt like I was running like you run at full sprint and it stopped and then try to talk and it just had a really heavy feeling there, like you know, hey, I'm not supposed to be here now. Granted this was like like in the daytime, and I imagine it's a for feeling even at night because there's no lights out there. Yeah. I was just thinking, like, you guys just drove there and like you're with like you know, the

marvelous Kenny Marvel and like family and the other guy and everything. Like you guys were probably in a fairly good mood I would imagine when you arrived. Yeah, so that must have been quite the impression to step out of the vehicle and just immediately switch gears like that. Yeah, And so once we were there, I was, you know, I wanted to show my cousin.

We went, we went walking on on that side to look for any kind of betting area because at the time we were thinking that this was, you know, possibly a bigfoot area that they could have they could have some betting. You know, we wanted to see any kind of because like there was no cows there, so if there's any betting, the net's you know, probably a good chance that there was probably like a bigfoot or a bigfoot

group passing through there. And so we eventually made our way to the Red River, and at that time, the Red River had receded immensely and so we could walk along this like this sand barge and it was like completely it was open. So we were looking for like footprints, didn't see any at the time, and you know, I didn't see like any at that time. See, we walked maybe like a mile or a half mile down the

Red River and then came back. And as we were coming back, we're gonna pull out some gear and maybe like you know, some pad and pins, start writing some stuff down and stuff like that. And so as we as we approached Ken Marvel's vehicle, there was a tree and it was. It was a pretty big tree. And this was not like a like a dead tree or anything. Matt. This tree is pushed over in front of

Ken Marvel's vehicle and it was like it was pushed over. The roots were showing, and I wish I still had the pictures that I think the gentleman that did all the notes had pictures of this. And this tree was pushed over and it had just rained that morning too, like like before we got there, so the soil was kind of soft and the wind wasn't blowing, and it did not. It did not because this was the only tree that was pushed over. It was pushed over in front of his vehicle, maybe

like I don't know, a foot in front of his front grille. And around this vehicle was thirteen inch prints. Wow, they were wide, and like I took off my hat. We took pictures of it. Like again, I said, I wish I still had the pictures of this, and uh, it was thirteen inch prints just walking around the vehicle and I and I looked at it, and I looked at everybody else and everybody, you know, we were kind of freaking out a little bit. And uh, my cousin was going, Uh, I think it's time for us to go.

He was, he was ready to go. His wife wasn't, but he was ready to go. And so at that time, I I with with with the TVRC. I was known as the guy that could do a like a bigfoot call. And so and Ken like looks at me and he goes, hey, Bob, do you know do a call? And so I did a call. I did like three calls. I yelled as loud as I could. So we were we were on the Texas side of the of the Red River, on the opposite side of the Red River. I got. I got a response within seconds, and it sounded like it was

walking away because like it it gave me. I did three calls. It did three calls back to me, and as as as as a as a third call came, you could hear it, you know, further and further faintly away. So apparently this thing came by saw us there, pushed the tree over, walked around the vehicle across the Red River, waited for the call, and then made calls back to me. At that time, So

that was that was my experience there. I mean, because like I later looked on there looked at at the Brown Springs area, and so locally, the the lore was that was that the Dallas mob used that as a as a body dumping ground, right, so there was there was a lot there was. That's that was that was the history there on that. So but that was my experience there. Didn't you guys run into like a ranger or something on the way out of there? I believe, I believe we did.

I believe we did. And it was we were telling them that we were doing we were doing bigfoot stuff, and he was he was like hovering around us. But we were leaving at the time anyway, So I mean, had he got there before that, you know, he probably would have hovered, you know, helicoptered over us and stuff. But I believe we were we were on our way out whenever that happened. And I don't recall his name. I'm sure it's in the notes that that gentleman provided, But

you know he left us alone after after he saw us leaving. So but yeah, I mean, like you said, it's it had a history of a place for people to dump bodies. Lots of bodies have been dumped there over the years, and places that have that kind of lore and are used for those kind of purposes, tend to attract other people that you know, do stupid stuff, illegal activities, what not, and who have you. And there's a lot of history of you know, Satan worshippers going out there

to perform rituals and stuff. I know there was a story about some people that went out there and found like a bloody knife stuck in a tree, just all kinds of weird stuff. Man. I will say this, like as soon as we got out of the vehicle and we walked down to the Red River, I did see needles, like on the ground. There were there were there were some needles. So we were telling everybody be careful walking

around. Make sure because everybody, you know, anytime we went out and did stuff, we I would wear like, you know, heavy boots, like steel toe boots and stuff like that, so make sure I was covered

from snakes and stuff, but snake boots and stuff. But uh, yeah, I did see some needles on the ground, So I thought for I thought it was I was feeling that sensitive about you know, that negative energy there on that so just kind of odd because like I was later after I thought about it, because I think I did a show on it on on my podcast, and I was we were talking about the possibility of you know, the bodies that were being dumbed there, that we're bigfoots attracted to it

because you know, you know the story about there's always like like reports on bigfoots being attracted to cemeteries for some reason, right, And so we we had I come up with the ideas that well, maybe you know, bigfoots are attracted to the area because you know, there's so many there's so many bodies buried here, and uh, you know, there's probably I don't know, some kind of energy that's some negative energy that's in that area, and

so that that had somehow maybe attracted bigfoots, or bigfoots may use it, you know, well, like I've said, this is just conjecture, may use it as a weapon, you know, to weaponize you know, the fear of people seeing a bigfoot or just people just having the experience in general with all the bodies that have been dumbed there. First off, there's a cemetery there, very old cemetery this place. So originally it was just used

as a ferry crossing location for people between Texas and Oklahoma. Crossing the Red River. Nobody really settled at the spring itself, which is kind of weird because it was kind of a great place to settle, but because of the location of the river, I guess there was too much flooding that happened, so they had to settle farther back. But like early families that like settled around there, you know, found human bones and pottery and all kinds of

stuff, Native American artifacts, things of that nature. I can't help but wonder if this isn't just one of those places where it's just a bad place, you know. Yeah. Yeah, So anything in the area mentally, spiritually gets messed with, and so that's why you have some of the kind of reports that you have, because, I mean the kind of reports that come from this area, I mean it's one of those places where there's a

little bit of everything and it's always negative. There's nothing really positive about it. Thatckerville baby Thackerville. I've never been there personally. I mean I've driven by there, but I didn't go down the road or anything like that. Yeah, obviously I've known people very close people that went there that describe the same thing you're describing, know, a horrible anxiety, doom type, feeling very heavy. People that I know who I mean, I've been out in

the middle of nowhere with They're not afraid of the dark. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, they'll stand their ground in some pretty hairy situations I've witnessed at firsthand. These people talk about when the sun goes down at Brown Springs, they left. Yeah, they didn't want to be there after dark. It just bothered them that bad. I can't imagine. I can't imagine, because when I was there during the daytime, it felt, it felt, you know, it was noticeable, and I wish I had talked

about it to Kenny and the other gentleman and my cousin. And I know my cousin wanted to leave. I know that was pretty clear. It's pretty evident he wanted to leave. But I should probably get back with him to see how he felt whenever he was there, because some of the ideas that I had about, you know, infrasound and DMF, you know, kind

of originated there, you know. Any because I later went back, I said, well, hey, maybe I need to do a second look on this and find out why, you know, I was feeling this way at that particular time, because whenever I started doing paranormal stuff, that was the feeling I got. And then I was talking to another person that I was doing interview with and he was talking about how how scared he was and how

it was overwhelming to him and he could not breathe. And but you know, so I kinda and then and then you know, we end up doing a show with you and we talked about that, and I don't know, it kind of just launched that idea out to start talking about it openly about it. So, I mean, we know some people that are kind of

actively researching it still to this day. That location. Yeah, yeah, planning trips there, have been there recently, have experienced things there recently that I ain't some pretty crazy stuff handprints on vehicles, uh, shadow people, dog sounds like, all kinds of crazy stuff. Man. Yeah, No, I know, I've been invited, like in the last couple of years,

like a lot to go out there. And at the time, and if anybody knows my you know knows my story that I had a heart I had to I had to start walking again, so my my footing is not that great. So I've been asked to go out there recently. I said, man, I can't even I can't even walk on pavement, dude, I mean you want me to walk, you know, in the woods and stuff. But at that time, you know, I'm doing better now, but at that time I was. I was asked to go out there and

hang out, and I said, man, I can't do it. I wish I could, but I could not. But you know, i'd like, I'd like to go back out there. Yeah, I wouldn't suggest just you know that being my first trip getting back on the saddle, I think i'd pick a nicer location, maybe a nice day trip somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, I'd like to do a show out there. Actually, it'd be neat to do podcasts, so I did. I did a podcast over at Goatman's Bridge this past year, and that was a pretty interesting experience. So

yeah, you got an interesting occurrence happened out there. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was pretty strange and uh, but you know, at that time, it was like that that bridge gets inundated with inpressing on the weekends with high school kids, so they want to go experience paranormal stuff,

and so it was kind of flooded with people. But I did have a e v P where we're on the bridge, and I did have an e VP of something snarling in the background, and it was I was talking to the guy and we were I was asking him questions about because he walked off into the woods, and I was asking him questions, and it was somebody

right next to him snarling, And it wasn't even it wasn't him. He was you know, you can tell it's his voice and another voice, and we were the only two people in that area talking, so it was kind of strange. Yeah, that's very strange. I would definitely be interested in hearing somebody try to do like an EVP session at Brown Springs. Yeah, that actually be a great idea, great idea. I would love that too. I looked up some information on Brown Springs. You know, a lot

of the information is kind of lost over the years. You know, there was a guy named Butch Bridges who was really the main investigator of Brown Springs historically, not like a bigfoot researcher, but just the lore and the history. And looking up some of his stuff, I actually found some just a basically a database of emails that had been sent to him back in the day about people just sharing their stories about brown springs, and I ran across some

pretty interesting ones. Okay. One says the pipe coming from the spring was originally placed there by John August Polt, who came to North Texas from Munster, Germany in the mid eighteen hundreds. He resided primarily in Gainesville, Texas. The cemetery began with a tribe of American Indians. I have reason to believe they were Creek. The chief had teenage twin daughters. He had picked

husbands for them, but the girls did not agree with his choice. He told them if they could dance from sundown to sun up, they could marry the men of their choosing. The chief did not know the girls both had heart defects, and both died on the spot shortly before sun up. They were buried where they fell in the Creek tradition marked with identical cedar juniper trees with a rock wall placed around them to buy them for eternity. This story

was passed down through the generations of my family. A tornado in the early seventies uprooted the trees and took down part of the rock wall. Now that's just lore. We can't prove any of that is true, right, but assuming that it is a tornado in the early seventies uprooted the trees and took down part of the rock wall. I mean, right there, man, you got a reason for bad stuff to start happening right there. Yep,

yep. Here's one that says about twenty three years ago, me and my wife and her brother were riding around and ended up at the place middle of the day. Parked the car at the bottom of the hill where the water comes out, climbed up the hill. Was only one faint trail into the woods, over the barbed wire fence and to the cemetery. The farther we walked in the trees, the darker it got. Then we started noticing graves

that were dug up. A few bones were scattered around. We got spooked and headed back to the car, only to find now the trail was full of sticker patches thorn bushes, and I was barefooted. The stickers weren't there on the way in. Then the car wasn't where we left it. It was down the road. I can't explain it, but we all remember parking there. Got the heck out of there. Haven't been back since we still get chill bumps when we talk about it. Oh bit, I mean that's

some blair witch stuff. Dude. It's a lot of energy to move a vehicle, and man, that's manipulate the environment. I mean, yeah. This one took place on Christmas in twenty thirteen. My family decided to take a trip to the cemetery and to see what it was all about. What a pleasant way to spend Christmas with the family. Let's go to an old, creepy cemetery. There were five of us. As we arrived in the cemetery, it was very uncomfortable, feeling as if somebody or some one did

not want us there. Me personally, I became very weak in my legs, as if all my energy was being sucked out of me. At the same time, my twelve year old daughter was experiencing the same thing. My mother was snapping continuous pictures with her smartphone while me and Emily were not feeling right. At that point, my daughter heard a little girl laughing. She asked if I heard that. I did not hear it. I was a little ways away from her. We decided it was time to go. Everyone

had the feeling that it was time and not feeling right. As we were getting into the jeep, you could hear a loud howl almost sounded like a sasquatch as it was following us down the hill. Everyone heard it and freaked out. It was in a coyote for sure. As we were viewing mom's pictures, we became ecstatic. In one of the pictures, you could see a tall slender man walking beside my daughter like they were taking a walk down the park path. I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. Maybe not

as skeptical as I used to be. As we viewed other pictures, we saw flurries of orbs looking like snow. There were thousands of them, and you could see faces in them. Now that's even creepier, knowing we were surrounded by these balls of energy that would explain you know, them not feeling good. I mean, all the orbs. And then this one. This is one that I had heard before and have talked about on several occasions. This person says to tell I got about Brown Springs involved a nameless family in

southern Oklahoma at the turn of the century. These kind of people would kill unwary travelers and rob them. The men in this clan of evil people would imprison, torture, rape, and eventually kill any unwary women that they had a chance to capture. The patriarch of the family would break in the females born to the clan and then pass them around to other uncles, brothers, cousins, etc. Where he goes that One day a Chalktaw girl was abducted

by the patriarch and raped. The girl fled after she escaped, and the elders of her family came back in the night and captured the patriarch. The girl's family staked the evil man to the ground and sliced open his belly so that melusiphileia, or the man dog of that area could have a good meal without having to work for it nlusiphileia, which translates to long evil being or

long wicked person. Anyway, the girl's family came back the next morning, and sure enough, the evil man's soft organs, the heart, liver, and kidneys were missing, and his intrails were spread all over the place. The girl's family then took the body of the evil patriarch and threw it into the brown spring to curse the spring to anyone that would rely on it for

water, namely the bad guys in the area. It is said that the evil patriarch's family still has descendants in the area and that his ghost haunts the area at night. Wow. So when whenever a kid in Marvel, the marvelous Marv asked me to go to Brown Springs, this is the story he read to me to entice me to go. So this story right here, how far back was this was the story? The history of the story itself

says it was at the turn of the century. Now, this story was an email submitted to the guy that did all the research, Butcher Roofs, And it was submitted by a person who worked for the local sheriff's department and had known a descendant of the family and was like investigating that case. There was a very brutal rape case that they were investigating at the time whenever they

uncovered this story and this information. Now, with that being said, part of that would be the woman's body that was found in nineteen ninety sen on the hood of her car. That's the story that got me interested in Brown Springs and terrifies me about the place. If it is true, and the email that I just read supports it being true, which bothers me even more. Yeah, as the story goes, a couple were parked at Brown Springs somewhere, you know, doing what couples do in the dark, and apparently

they were attacked. They were killed. The boyfriend's body his head was twisted around or his body was twisted around, and the woman was found dead on the hood of the car and looked as though she had been sexually assaulted, raped whatever you want to call it, and attacked by some sort of creature not a person. It was a very brutal thing. And supposedly the people investigating the physical evidence that they retrieved from the crime scene did not test as

human, meaning like primate or something. Yeah, okay, so this is a cold case, so you know, you can't really access any of the information. It was secondhand information whenever I heard it. It supposedly came from someone who was involved in the investigation, were involved in the department that held the investigation, the local sheriff or whatever this was. This came from like

a deputy or someone who worked in the deputy's office or something. And I don't know, man, I mean, it's brutal, but like I mean, that was the first place that I ever heard stories of Nelusa filea, which translates to long evil beings, which if you look them up, the description of them kind of matches a dog man. And that was kind of the rumor, you know, Yeah, do you think maybe this was like like they this they didn't they didn't know what a big foot was and they

just caught it a dog man, you think. I don't know, because see I've read different descriptions of them, and depictions of them show them as like more of a canine and not a bigfoot. They have like these really long pointed ears and stuff. Yeah, I don't know, man. And then I you know, I had heard like another story coming out of there about another couple. But this couple got to their car they were being chased.

This thing was like standing at the tree line and they were like in the middle of a field in the area, and they saw it and they jumped up and ran to their car. This thing came after them. They got in the car, they were driving off, and they came to like a t in the road to leave the area, and this thing busted the window and killed the guy that was behind the steering wheel, and the girl was able to get over and get control of the vehicle and drove home.

And I guess her parents called the cops or something. I mean, I don't know. You know, these are all just stories. Yeah, you knew, like I was telling you, kid Marvel, Kid Marvel enticed me to go to the ground Springs with with the the the dog man story and the one uh with the with the couple with both being dead. He enticed me with both of these stories, and he had he had brought it to

my attention. He goes, we we should go there, and I said, uh, And I didn't know anything anything about Brown Springs at the time, and I said I go, hey, yeah, let's go. And so I just jumped aboard and went So it's funny how you know it resurfaces and U tell that story again. So it kind of made me. I had a flashbacks of being there again. So you just saying those those two stories. So I mean, it's it's a crazy story. Yeah, you

know, is it true? I don't know, That's what I'm saying, Like, it's these rumors that has kind of created this lore around this place. But then whenever you talk to people who actually visit the location, a lot of them experience and things. Yeah, I mean, I would say this, Matt. I've been. I've been in Louisiana. I've been in Texas, East Texas. I've been in Southeast Texas. I've been in all over Oklahoma, and I've been in Arkansas. I've been in Ohio, North

Carolina. This place, brown Springs, is probably bar none, the scariest place I've ever been. And I've been, Like I said, I've been a lot of areas. I've been staking out areas, you know, whenever someone has a siding report, we used to go out and sit in an area to see if there's any activity. And I've been in like in create like dry out creek beds, on ridges, you know, on tree lines, in electrical rideaways, gas ride aways, you know, sometimes by myself,

and that's scary. But the Brown Springs place, it's like bar none, the craziest place I've ever been. And I've only been there once. People have heard me talk about the dead End Road in Texas and it's inside the Angelina National Forest, and that place is the scariest place I've ever been. Now, I was there a lot. I went there many times. I know other people that have been there many times. And I will say this, I know people that have gone there and experienced absolutely nothing and felt

fun. I know two knuckleheads from Texas. You know them too, Logan and Steven, who went down there and sat in the dark and ate pie in the middle of the night at the dead End Road, which sounds ludicrous to me, but they didn't have any issues. And I know that quite a few people, you know, because on a former podcast I was involved with, we talked about Brown Springs and we told the stories and everything,

and it got some attention. It got some traction in the bigfoot world, especially, and I know that people have kind of built a reputation for themselves for being investigators at Brown Springs and oh, it's nothing and it's not anything evil and it's nothing like that, and that's fine. Maybe it's not for them, Maybe it is for someone else. Maybe it used to be, maybe it's not anymore. I don't know, but I can tell you that

the dead End has a history of bad things happening there. There used to be a sawmill there that slaves were used in the labor process and have been buried in the area whenever they died or were killed, and Lynchings took place at the dead End, and I've experienced some paranormal stuff at the dead End, and the dead End, which to me sounds very much like Brown Springs, is one of those places that just has a lot of negative energy.

Yeah, and it's just a bad ju ju place, and then has bigfoot stuff there too, and then has bigfoot stuff there too, and and potentially dog Manu Laurie Phillips saw a dog man down there. Wow. So I mean, both of these places have a lot of similarities and I just can't help but wonder if you know there's places like that just around the world that are just these negative energy spaces where bad stuff happens or it causes bad stuff to happen. I've always wanted to go, and I'm going on off subject

really quick here. I always wanted to go, like to Scotland and England and go to the castle's there. So I imagine the energy there because it's like hundreds and hundred and centuries of bad stuff happened there. Yeah, So that's always been one of my deals. So, I mean, I don't know for some reason, brown Springs, for being only there one time, it has a huge influence on me on the paranormal. For me and the Bigfoot, it was like, uh, it opened a lot of it opened

a lot. It opened me up to a lot because at the time I was I was, I was with the TVR Sea and we were flesh and blood completely and that's the way we thought. So when I when I went there and for the very first time and had that, it opened up. It opened me up to a lot of possibilities because it was just I had

so many questions and not enough answers. I mean something that you and I have both talked about just recently on your show as a matter of fact, some people being more receptive or sensitive to paranormal events and strange events in general. Mm hm. And so that might be the case at these type places where certain people can have these experiences or will have these experiences on occasion where

other people just aren't receptive to it. You know, if you're deaf, you don't hear stuff, you know, absolutely, So it might be some situation like that where whatever it is that allows some people to experience these things, other people just don't have it or who knows, but there's something to it. All These people wouldn't be sending in these emails and sharing those stories if they didn't experience things there. So if people are still researching the area,

best of luck to them. I look forward to seeing what they have. And if someone listening has experienced something that Brown springs, email me and tell me about it. I'd love to hear about it. So where can people find the fabulous Bigfoot Club podcast. They can find it by going to www. Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. How did I know you were going to say that? They can check out your merch all your old episodes, and just you know, subscribe and comment, leave a five star review. Yeah,

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