But I began to realize nothing was moving still honestly started creeping me out. I lowered my rifle to the ground, climbed on a tree, and up on top of this ridge. I hear something walking, so I stopped, and I hear one maybe two steps, and it stopped. Start walking again, and the instant I start walking, almost matching my footsteps. I hear something else walk, you know. I hear it again, and I stop again, and I hear one footstep if dressed up, and it stopped.
After a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is this? You know, it's starting to kind of really really creep me out. I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and kind of angling towards me. I hear something splashing the creep and run up the hill toward me. My uncle had a golden retriever. Well, of course I wouldn't think anything about that at this point, because I'm being paced out.
He jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail. He gets about halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles up, ears laid back, and he starts growling. He stood there for a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted, and when he turned a ran everything was that had followed me out and started screaming.
When this thing started screaming, and it sounded like it was right on me, you know, as soon as it started natural reaction, I'm turning my head to look and I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so loud you could feel it hitting you in the chest. I could almost feel my hair blowing back. I've never heard anything that close that loud. I was more afraid bad ever I had been in my life. That's all I made. I'd like to welcome Matt to Bigfoot Crossroads, not me a different
man. Yeah, how you doing, Matt, what's going on? Doing good? Doing good? Appreciate you having me on, Yeah for sure. I mean, first off, you've got a fantastic name. Uh oh, yeah, thank you as well. You do very strong name, very masculine name, extremely strong. Yeah. So you emailed me telling me your story, sharing your story with me, and uh and you know, to be
honest, I thought your story was a very important one to tell. I know you've got some reservations about sharing it, so I do appreciate you coming on to talk about it if you don't mind, you know, just kind of go through the same story that you told me. You know, what happened, and everything with as much or as little detail as you want. Okay, good deal. Well, this uh happened in December, early part
of December in nineteen ninety five. And as I often did, you got off work early and decided I was going to go hunt, and had had a tree stand set up on some land, family land. And you know this wasn't in common if I got off work earlyist what I did if it happened to be, you know, a hunting season. So I got off work early, decided I was you know, that's what I was going to do. And my stand was on, like I said, on some family land, several acres, and it was backed up by just I don't know,
hundreds and hundreds of acres of state land. And you know I hunted back there several several times for several years, and for the most part, unless I brought somebody with me, I never saw anybody out there, I mean nobody. So anyway, so I got I got off, drove to my uncle's house he lived on the property, and part and got out, got all my gear together, and you know, started walking in the woods and to get left his house, walked down the hill and there's a creek
and you have to cross the creek. And so I crossed the creek and start going up a hill. About halfway up this hill, there's an old logging road which wasn't really much of a road, more of a path through the woods by this time because and then used in years. Anyway, this old logging road it follows this hillside and the creek, and it just you know, follows back. And my stand was probably I would guess probably three quarters to a mile back in the woods. It was a pretty good walk.
Took a while, pretty back far away from the house. Then oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You couldn't you know, in no way you could see the house, you could know lights, could hear anything, just you know, just woods. So as you know, I walk in, taking my time, walking slow, just looking around and enjoyed being out in the woods, which is really the main reason I haunted. I was the kind of was the kind of hunter that I just liked being in the woods. You know, it didn't matter if I took anything or not. I
just that's what I like. Anyway, I walk in and finally make it to my stand, climb up in the tree, pull my rifle up, and I sit there. And usually fifteen or twenty minutes, maybe thirty minutes, you know, before things were start moving, and I mean usually the woods would just come alive, it was, you know, And so I sit there. I don't really know how long I sat there, but I
began to realize nothing was moving. I mean it dead still, and started actually honestly started creeping me out, and I, you know, it just felt really strange. I sat there for you know, quite a while, and it was just dead still, no noise, knew nothing. So I sat there for a while and started to getting creeped out and decided it's not my day to be out here. So I lowered my rifle to the ground, climbed down the tree, kind of looked around a little bit and see
anything. Nothing moving. So I started walking out. Well, I get my stand was probably about ten twenty yards from this little log road. So I'm walking, you know, begin to walk out. Now on my way out, creek would be to my left and the ridge at this hill would be to my right. So I started walking and I hadn't walked maybe ten yards at the most, and up on top of this ridge, I hear something walking, so I stopped. Well, I stopped, and they hear
one, maybe two steps, and then stopped. So I'm looking trying to see something moving or you know, and nothing. You know. My first thought went, you know, there's a deer up on the ridge. And I startled it and you know, yeah, but you know, I see nothing. So I stand there, probably got a minute or so looking at seeing things. So I start walking again. Well, the instant I start walking, I hear footsteps up on top sounded like on top of this ridge.
And this ridge probably would have been twenty five yards probably maybe thirty at the most to my right in the hillside on the way up, very little trees snut. You know, they had logged it at one point and logged it down, probably not a little ten yards from the creek, so you know where they had logged whenever that was still didn't have many trees on it. So I could see pretty much the old hillside. And this is early December. You said, I guess most of the leaves were off the trees
and everything. Oh yeah, yeah, there was you know, there were leaves on the ground, you know that kind of thing, so I could what I was here, and I was here and crunching in waves, and it was pretty dry, so I could hear it and it didn't have any problem here at whatever I was here, it sounded pretty large. So anyway, I'm start walking again. In the instant I started walking, almost matching my footsteps, I hear something else walk, you know, I hear it
again. So I walked maybe ten yards and I stop again and I hear one footstep I've dressed up, and it stopped. And you know, I'm thinking, Okay, this doesn't sound like a deer. It sounds way too heavy for a deer. And whatever I'm hearing sounds like it's walking on two legs. So I'm looking, you know, I said, I don't see anything. Well it's it's beginning to creep me out again, and something's following me out here. So now let me add I have seen in those woods
several kyo to several bobcats. There was a lot of them out there, and you know, codies have been known to follow people, right, and so you know, my mind goes there and I think, you know what I'm hearing's too big. You can tell, you know, Cody, you know, not making a whole lot of noise. You can still hear him. But whatever, it's here and sounded to be a whole lot larger than that. And it was going in the same direction as you, like,
paralleling you up on the ridge. Oh yeah, right, it was parallel paralleling me, all right. Yeah. So I began to walk again, and once again, the instant I start walking, I hear footsteps. So I walk, you know, and while I'm walking, I'm looking, you know, I'm looking up the hill, looking on the whole hillside, looking on the ridge, and I don't see anything, no movement whatsoever. I walked probably out on the thirty yards maybe this time, and I stop again.
Same thing here, one footstep and stop. And you know, after a few times, I'm starting to think, you know, what is this. It's starting to kind of really really creep me out. Yeah, And and I'm you know, so I start scanning hill, start looking on the on the you know, the region, and it still I could see nothing. So I stand there maybe a couple of minutes and you know, still
nothing. Let's start walking again. Anyway, you know this happened pretty much all the way out, and like say, it was you know, three quarters it was at least three quarters of a mile back there. So you know, walking, stopping, walk and stopping. It's gonna take a little while. I know it was a long time ago, but do you remember whenever that was going on, do you remember hearing any other wildlife like birds or squirrels alerting or anything like that. Oh no, no, No,
it was still did still dead still, I mean nothing. Yeah, that'd be creepy, which is which is really unusual because even you know, even like on the walk in and out, I would see squirrels, birds, whatever, but I mean nothing, and I could know when I was stopping it would stop. You know, I didn't hear anything. Dead silence and still pretty good day light out. Oh yeah, yeah it was. Yeah, I want to guess probably by the time I started walking out was maybe
four o'clock in the afternoon. Okay, that's a guess because I really don't remember, but it was. It was late afternoon, but it was still a good way from you know, getting dark. So you know, I started walking again, and you know, every time I walk, I'm hearing this thing. Well, after a few times I stopping and starting and hearing this thing. I noticed that it sounds like it's coming off the ridge and kind of angling towards me. So, you know, at one point I
stopping it. When I hear it, it sounds like as I'm walking, it's about halfway between me and the ridge now, which would put it fifteen yards from me, maybe twenty yards at the very most. Pretty close. It was close, yeah, I mean I could from the sound of it. Anyway, you know, like I said, and I'm still, I see nothing, and there's very few like I said, there's very few trees
on this hillside. So anyway, I keep walking, stopping, walking, stopping in every time, same thing, one maybe two steps a couple times.
I think I heard two steps and then stopped. Now I have no idea how many times I stopped, but you know, several times, because you know, on the way up, well, I got finally got to where I could make out through the through the trees to my right, you know, the drops off to the creek and it starts going back up a hill, and my uncle's house was on side of another hill on the other
side of the creek. I finally get to where I could see his house, you know, little glimpses of it through the trees on the underside. Says it wasn't that far from his house. And I stopped, and you know, mind you every time just saying whatever it was, it sounds like it's kind of, you know, getting closer to me, just so be angling towards me off off the hill. So anyway, I get, I get to where I can see his house a little bit through the trees,
and stop again, you know, the same thing. A couple of steps. When I start walking again, Well this time I walk probably pretty good ways, and and I stopped, and again it stopped. Well, this time, now I can see my uncle's house through the trees pretty good. By this point to my left, I hear something splashing the creek and run
up the hill toward me. Well, of course I freak out, you know, you know, and as I raised my rifle and pointed to whatever this was, running up the hill and still trying to you know, I'm looking that way and still trying to look, you know, back to the right to see if I could see whatever this other thing was, well, probably about ten yards in front of him on this little what used to be a log road. My uncle had a Golden Retriever and he would often meet
me coming out of the woods. Well, that's what it was. That's what I heard, splashing the creek, come run until always amazing me because I never understood, you know, how does he know I'm here? You know, because you know I'm walking quiet. But this dog would almost every time, you know, meet me. Well, of course I wouldn't think anything about that at this point because I'm being paced out. So anyway, he jumps out in the road and he was wagging his tail, and he
comes kind of trotting up to me, wagging his tail. He gets about halfway to me and he just instantly freezes us, and his hair bristles up, ears laid back, and he starts growling. And he stood there for a second or two, and he instantly turned around and bolted back to the house. And when he turned a rand, whatever this thing was that had followed me out and started screaming and taking a time, man, take your time. Yeah, when I hadn't talked about this in a long time.
When when this thing started screaming, it sounded like it was right on me now, you know, And again, you know, as soon as it started, you know, natural reaction. I'm turning my head to look and I can't see anything, nothing, And this is so loud that I could feel it. It's almost like you could feel it hitting you in the chest. I think I mentioned this in the email, and this makes sound weird, but it was almost like I could feel my hair. I had pretty
long hair back then. I could almost feel my hair blowing back. I know that sounds ridiculous, but it probably wasn't. But just that loud, unbelievable. I've never heard anything that close that loud as far as being in the woods. Whenever it let out that screen right, what were you thinking? Could you even process what was happening? No? The only thing I knew, I was probably more afraid than I have ever in you know guys. Things supposed to say things like that, the big strong hunter guy,
you know, and I supposed to say things like that. But I was probably more afraid, probably to it. I was more afraid than I ever had been in my life. And that's all I needed. I mean, you're armed, but you don't see anything. No, and I'm you know, I'm looking to where I I'm looking where the sounds coming from and there was really no doubt where it was coming from, and it could not have been more than fifteen yards from me. And I saw absolutely nothing, no
movement, no nothing, And I'm I mean, I can't move. I'm froze and I'm standing there with a two seventy of my hand. Never once but you know, I shouldered it when the dog came running. Appealed to me, but it never once entered my mind, you know, to raise, to raise my rifle toward it. I just wasn't very rifle might as well not even been there. Yeah, so I don't know. I have no idea how long I stood there. You know, it seemed like an eternity to me. But as froze could move, tried to move my feet,
couldn't move, could move my arms. Nothing. I mean, I was just frozen. Like I say, I have no idea how long I stood there in this scream just kept going. I don't remember it stopping. It just kept going. Finally I got one foot and just sounds crazy, I know, I got a foot. The moves and I thought, okay, I can get out of there. So I knew you not to run.
Yeah, you know, I knew from a kid. You know, if if there's a predator and you take off run and it's gonna it's gonna, you know, make the predator instinct in this animal give chase, and they're gonna chase you. So I knew you not to run. I wanted to anyway, So I started walking, and best I could tell when I first started whatever, it was screaming, and it's still screaming. Sorry, no need to apologize. Man, this is a lot. This is a lot, you know. I start walking and I'm still looking. You know,
I'm not looking where I'm going. I'm looking where this thing screaming from, and you know, still there's nothing there. Nothing. So anyway, I managed to make it to the creek and it's still screaming at me. Now, the creek's not that far from where, you know, where this happened, maybe another ten fifteen yards to my left, so I'm not that
far from it. And it's not a very big creek. It's probably you know, six foot wide and maybe you know, maybe a foot deep at the most, but where I use across the you know, ankle deep at the most. Anyway, So I get to the creek and I started across it. But this thing's still screaming. The second at my foot hit the other side of the creek, it stopped dead silence. I didn't hear anything walking off, didn't hear you know, nothing, It's dead silent, and
it stopped. Well, you know, I kind of turned around. No I'm still walking, but I kind of turned around and looked, you know, still see nothing, see no movement, no anything, And finally make my way back to my truck and back up and I leave. There was a guy that hunted with me a lot, and actually hunted moved me back there quite a bit. So I got home, of course, you know,
back into them cell phones or anything. I got home, I called him and I told him what happened, and he, you know, laughed at me, kyled He followed you out of the woods and screamed at you. And you know, of course I put it away after that, because I know there's no way what I heard, little coy you know, yeah, I know, you know, like I had seen several bobcats back there before, and pretty large ones, but there's no way a cat did that.
You know, it may have stopped in from the time it started to the time I crossed the creek, and I honestly don't have any idea how long that was. It may have stopped, but if it did, I don't remember it. And it was one to me. It was just like one continuous, long, loud scream. And when I say scream, it's what it sounded like. I mean, it wasn't It wasn't a roar. It wasn't, you know, a growl. It was a scream like a person. It started with at the very start of it. It's exactly what
it sounded like. It almost sounded like you, I know when I say this. But you know, people can't think, well, that's a cat, because cats can sound like I'm screaming. But I assure you just was no cat. But when it first started, that's the first thing that popped in my head. There's as sounded like a woman screaming. But it just got louder and deeper. It was no cat. There's no way anyway. That's that's the short of it. I guess, you know. That's the
only you know what I told you. When I got home, I called my buddy that a hundred wits and told him, and you know, he kind of laughed. I you kyo, he followed you out of the woods. Well, you know, so I just put it away. And a few years ago I discovered podcast and started listening to some big foot sasquatch podcast and you know, kind of brought it back to mind. And I don't know that's what it was, you know. Like I say, I I didn't see anything. And honestly, I'm glad I didn't see it. Anything
that sound like that, I don't want to see. Did you ever return to that location? I did a few times. I never went back alone. My buddy that I called and told about it, you know, him, and I went back there a few times. Never went back. As far as my stand, to my knowledge, it's probably still there because I never went back got it, what's left of it is probably still there. As should say, I never, I never went back got it. There. Never any more incidents after that or anything, not as no, not
as far as that goes. Now, now, I did. I did at one point my wife and my daughter and I went camping out there. Now, when I say out there, it was just on the very edge of property right there at the creek and where we were, you know, you could see my uncle's house. You could also see another house across the creek. But I was a little bit nervous, to say the least. But nothing happened. Yeah, you know, it was what's really odd to me. It was, like I said, we had hunted, you know,
myself and my buddy and me alone. You know, I used to hunt that a lot, and nothing nothing like that ever happened. So you know, that really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me either. And like obviously your uncle and nobody ever mentioned anything. No, And I asked him if you had ever heard anything or see anything strange, you know, and he, of course he said no. If he had, he didn't tell me. Yeah. Now I did not see this, But you
asked if you know any other incidents since that happened to me. There was a couple of things that happened to some other people. They didn't see nothing like that, but there was they saw lights across the road from where this property starts. There was there was a house and the guy. Again I did not see this, so this is second hand, right, But the guy woke up one night and there was a ball of light in his front yard. And now he this he had a huge, huge yard and it
was surrounded by a pasture. Guy had horses and he had you know, it's a big pasture. And he woke up in the middle of the night and saw this ball of light in his front yard. So he called the police and they came out there. And this was probably maybe a month or two after that happened to me. The police showed up, was one guy, and he pulled up in the driveway and it was still there, hadn't
moved, and he called for back up. Little another guy, another police showed up, and they got out started walking toward it, and when they did, it started kind of floating off in the pasture. They walked to the pasture fence and sit there and watched it, and it went across the pasture back to the woods and disappeared in the woods. Wow. Yeah, now I didn't see that, right. But the police officer that that happened to you, he actually told me about it, so and I didn't He
had no reason to lie about it. And I never mentioned anything about what happened to me or anything else out there. But yeah, there was some other strange things happened on that property, in that uncle's house and actually where I worked was on that property, but was on the very edge of that property, and there was some strange things happened in the building that I worked,
like haunting type stuff. Yeah, and uh well yeah, yeah, things flying off the shelf, equipment being turned on when nobody's around it, lights turning off and on, that kind of thing. Yeah, that stuff never bothered me. I mean, that's kind of happened in and around me for you know, pretty good while better part of my life. Yeah, and that never really bothered me. It's you know, it's interested me and never really you know. There was one time that I was I was there
working at night. I was there by myself, and this was probably it was pretty late, I don't know, midnight or so we'll say. And I'm sitting there working and it's you know, they got music playing, and something just pounded on the back door. Now that the back of this building where I worked was woods, it was like it was on it was on the edge of the property where this other happened. And something just pounded on the back door. By mean pound. It sound like the door has come
off changes you know that that's pretty interesting. And this was after this was after the screen huh. Yeah, I don't really remember how long after. It wasn't very long afterwards, but it was. It was a little bit after him. But of course I got up and walked out and nothing was there. As that sounds pretty dull, sometiwn on your back door and you're gonna get up and go out in the door in the middle of the night, So let's stare. That's what I did. So you mentioned that your
wife had experienced some things. Yeah, you know, she has seen shadow figures in our house. I haven't seen it. She has, and she doesn't really believe in a lot of that stuff, but but she's seen the shadow figures. But she's just out on the whole big foot thing. Oh yeah, yeah, she thinks I'm nuts. Any idea, like, you know, why is that? Why are some people willing to, you know, just finely accept certain things, but then whenever it comes to bigfoot,
they're just no, there's no way. I don't know, I have no idea. I don't know. It's it's a mystery to me, you know. I mean I mentioned the screen a while back. I got online. I thought, well, you know, almostly if I can't find anything that sounds like it, and I really couldn't find anything that sounded like what I heard. I heard and I went back and try to find it again and I couldn't, and I should have bookmarked it or something, but I didn't.
I did find something at one point that sounded similar. Do you remember what it was like, what it was a recording of or was it just unknown? Well? It was it was it was a recording of something unknown, Okay, And I don't remember you know where it was from or you know where I found it. I should, I say, I should have book marked it, and it did part of the reason that I think your story is so important. It's not so much there. We talked a little
bit about this before we started recording. You had mentioned and we won't go into any names or anything, but you had mentioned that you had reached out to a couple of other podcasts and people didn't have a very warm reception of your story. No, the ones that I only had one answer an email. The other ones, you know, I never heard anything back. One
of them. I think I emailed a couple of times, but it was like, Okay, this doesn't fit this don't fit our box, so right, you know, you know what I'm saying that makes sense, I mean, because you know, a lot of it is, well, this guy didn't really see anything, you know, But to me, that's kind of the point is you should have seen something. I should have seen something as close as it was, you know, I mean, I saw no movement, no nothing. You know. I've heard, you know, different people's
story about they saw a big foot, cloak or you know whatever. I don't know what I think about that. I have no idea what I think about that. I don't know what to think about that, right, not saying it. I don't believe it, you know, who's to say. But you know when they say that, they mentioned something like things being pixelated, you know, like you know, they could see movement, but it's
more of a pixelation they were seeing. And I saw nothing, you know, absolutely nothing, no leaves moving, nothing, Nope, not a thing. You see. That's the port when I when I when I get to that point, you know, you know, I'm told, well, here's why that can't happen. Oh, okay, that might be why I can't happen. But I promise it happened, you know, I'm why would I make this up? I mean, just hearing the story it obviously happened.
Hearing the emotion in your voice as you're reliving those events, it obviously happened. And God blessed that Golden retriever, you know, the Golden Retriever at least since whatever was there as well, So you do kind of have a witness, you know. I think back on that. You know, when I first saw the dog, it was very much relief. You know, I was so related to see that, see that dog. When I finally figured out, you know, it was the dog coming. Yeah, but
when I think took off, I almost got mad at him. You can leave me out, You can leave me out here like that, you know, thanks a lot man's best friend. Yeah, it might be my uncle's best friend, but you're obviously not mine, right, Yeah, But I mean even the dog's reaction, oh yeah, you know, the bristling of
the hair and the growley and everything. Yeah, you know, at when he stopped whatever this was, I mean there was no sound, you know, there was no footsteps, there was nothing, no sound, you know, and I couldn't see it. Maybe he could, I don't know. Did he look towards where you thought it was at? Oh? Yeah he
did. Yes, he was looking dead at it. When he when he stopped and froze, his head instantly turned and was looking and from where you were standing, just kind of following the angle of where he was looking. I mean, it's not up on the ridge. It's down low by you. I know, it's it's it's it's down Yeah, he looked. He looked like he was looking, you know, just to my right, like
you know, right there. No, I couldn't tell you, you know, an angle or you know whatever, But I'm just saying he wasn't looking off in the distance. Oh no, No, he was not looking very far to my right, but he was definitely looking. I mean he was like, you know, honed in on it and didn't want nothing to do with whatever it was. You know, he didn't want a part of it. And I mean he you know, growled, showed teas for a second or two, and took his tale and got out of there a lot faster
than he came up there. Yeah, that's so. I mean, after all these years, what conclusion have you reached? I mean, I know you started listening to Bigfoot podcast, but was that because of this event? Did you ever reach a conclusion that that might have been what it was at some point. Yeah, and honestly that's yeah, I'm sure that's why I
started listening. And at the time, you know, when it happened, you know, that wasn't even on my radar, you know, you know i'd heard about it and all this kind of stuff, of course everybody has, but you know I didn't sure, just you know, something I never thought of, And when it happened, I didn't think of that all I knew, you know, what the thing was. I didn't want no part of it. So where are you at now with all of it? Are you comfortable going out into the woods or no? No, well I don't.
I don't hunt anymore. I quit on because of that event. Yeah. Yeah, I hate to say it too, because you know, like I said, I loved it, and I absolutely loved it. I would, you know, go go sit and I stand for you know, until I got dark. You know, I'm usually walking out in the dark with a flashlight, and you know, wasn't so much. I just like being out there, loved it, you know what. It didn't matter to me
if I took anything or not. I just like being out there. Yeah, that saddens me to hear it. But you certainly aren't the only hunter that that's ever happened to, or outdoors person or hiker or anything. I mean, it's a shame, but I mean that's that's your own thing to
deal with, and you got to deal with it how you can. Yeah, a couple not a year or so ago, my wife and I went to this place that they have cabins that's out in the woods and they have cabins and hiking trails and they're setting other and so we went for the weekend and you know, we're doing the hiking trails and walking through the woods and all this stuff, and the whole time, you know, that's in my mind and I'm listening, you know. Yeah, I didn't say I never
told her that. She didn't know, but the whole time, you know, I'm on guard for that. I don't know if it would help at all, but just something to point out. I mean, if this thing had wanted to harm you, it could have. Yeah, I've definitely thought about that. Definitely thought about that. Oh, they could have got many point it wanted to There's no doubt in my mind whatever it was. You know, like I say, I don't I won't sit here and say it. You know, I won't make an attempt at what it was because I
have no idea, right right, no no idea. But I have heard similar stories, but people being paced out of the whoops, very similar to this. It's actually heard one last night, you know, and I think it was on your show. Yeah, I've talked to several people. I've definitely been in situations where you know, we were paced out. I can't tell you the number of people that did exactly what you did, where they would stop walking here, the one or two steps afterwards, dead quiet,
start again, and then it would art back up again. Right. The difference being and this, you know, I won't say it doesn't bother me, because it does. But the difference being, I don't know that I've ever heard another one where they, you know, nothing was seen. Well, I know somebody, I know somebody as a matter of fact, you know somebody good and this thing, you know, the similarities are pretty uncanny, very similar type situation. He was hiking instead of hunting, and this
thing was pacing on. He should have seen it, but he couldn't. I think he may have written it off as possibly just the cover that it was in was too thick for him to see it. But you know, he struggled with that. I know him personally, he's one of my friends, and he struggled with that a lot because he still thinks even with the cover, he should have been able to see it, should seen movement at
leaders. Yeah, and it was another situation where all this was going on and then he crossed a creek and it stopped immediately once he gone no, not at all. So in both both of those scenarios, I think whatever it was, again, nothing was seen, so we don't know. But whatever it was, I think just wanted to move you out of its area. And it marked that creek because it's territory and on the other side of the creek belonged to your uncle or whoever, and it just wanted you out
of there. That makes sense. Well, I'm glad to know that. It makes me feel a little bit better. And I gotta take I gotta say, saying this out loud to somebody else that actually doesn't think I'm nuts helps immensely. You're not not at all, even after all this time. I don't I think anybody listening, you know, to your story and hearing you tell it, we'll think you're nuts. I don't think so at all. It's it's definitely a release too well good noo closet like this, yeah
good. I mean it helps me to hear stories from people, just you know, because of my own experiences and dealing with them. And you know, I've got a wife too, who well, I believe you saw something or you believe you saw something, you know, but that that's as far as she'll go with it. And that's my wife that knows me better than anybody. You know, other people listening to it. You know, if
somebody's experienced something, I hope it helps them. And the fact of the matter is some of the most traumatizing and scary things we deal with are things that we never actually see that that that doesn't mean it didn't happen or there wasn't anything there. Yeah, you know, I've heard, Like I said, I've listened to a lot of show with a lot of podcasts and a lot of questions. One question that asked I've heard to ask a lot. You know, if somebody has seen one seen something, do you want to
see one? Do you want to see one again? And that's like I didn't see what it was you know that screamed at me, and I didn't want to see that. In no way I want to see it. Yeah, and I can't imagine somebody seeing one want to see another one. Now that's just me, but there's a lot of people that go looking for these things, and every once in a while, one of those people sees one
and never goes back. You know. At one point, not too long ago, you know, I thought, because I actually know somebody, not personally, but I have talked to you that does that, and I thought, you know, maybe that would help. But I don't know. I mean, I would suggest, you know, don't let it take away something
you love forever. Yeah, you know, even if it's just taking baby steps going to a park, you know, always going with somebody, do whatever you can to get back out there at a level that you're comfortable at going to. Yeah, we'll see. But you know I said I don't hunt anymore. That's not to say, you know, let's say we you know, we went camping out there one time, like again, it was on the very edge of this property, you know, right on that creek,
on the side of the creek where it stopped. Yeah, and you know, we went to that place and hiking through the woods and you know that kind of thing. So it's not like I'm not in the woods at all. Is the feeling the same that it used to be? I mean, do you get out there in nature and feel relaxed or our young guard the whole time? I'm not as relaxed as I used to be. Let's put it that one. Yeah, and I'm definitely you know, it's in
my mind. It's it's it's there. If you had something to say to somebody else who is listening that had an experience like this, what would you tell them? You're not crazy, you know, regardless of what somebody says, you know what happened to you. You know, talk about it. Don't keep it in, you know, just just because one person may laugh at your tell you're nuts, you know, don't hold it in. It
helps to talk about it. And there's other people out there that's had you know, like I just found out because you know, as I said, I've never heard anybody have a story exactly like this, and you know that you say, you know, well, this happened to a buddy mine, very similar, you know, even as far as crossing the creek and its stopping. So you know, that tells me, you know, there's always somebody out there that's had something extremely similar happened to them. Is what's happened
to you? You're not you're you're not You're not alone. And even if they haven't experienced the same experience, they might have experienced the same emotions, you know, exactly exactly right. And that's what a lot of this is about. You know, it's about the experience, the encounter the person has. You know, they were the one that was there, not you, right, So yeah, that's how I approach it, at least. So
that's that's what kind of that's what kind of bothered me. And I'm again I'm not using any names, but one guy in particular that I contacted that they had answered me back, you know, he began to tell me how this could not happen, and I'm like, dude, you weren't there. You know, you don't have a clue what could happen or what couldn't happen. Don't tell me you know that can't happen, because it happened, you know. I mean, in my experience, I can't speak on behalf of
everybody, but in my opinion at least. That's usually whenever you're telling somebody something that challenges what they want to believe, and it puts them in a state of fear and unknowing, and they don't want to accept that. Nobody wants to believe that there's an invisible monster out in the woods. That's very true. We can wrap our head around you know, a big, hairy,
you know, primate of some kind that just is misunderstood. But something that's invisible, well, how do we conquer that as a human race? How that doesn't put us at the top of the food chain anymore? That's fact. But you know, I don't, I don't. I don't know you used the word invisible. I don't know that I would go as far as saying it was invisible, right right, but it but it makes sense because I couldn't see anything, and it was definitely something there. I mean,
I could feel it when it went, you know. I mean, I won't begin to speculate the the how you know or why you weren't able to see it, because I don't know. Uh, nobody knows. Maybe it wasn't invisible. I don't know was it invisible? You know, was it able to do something to your mind to just make you think you couldn't see it. You know that this might sound crazy, but I never really thought, you know, hey, this thing was invisible. Whatever it was,
it was invisible. That may sound weird because I couldn't see it, but I mean, I know I couldn't see it, but it never really I don't know, I never used that word to process it, which may sound it may sound strange, not really, because things aren't invisible, you
know. So that's true. That's true. I mean, like, as you were telling your story, you know, there are some things that even I can relate to, and one of the main points is your mind trying to process what you're experiencing and trying to figure out what it is, Yeah, and trying to insert you know, the round peg in the square hole over and over again, you know, the coyote, a bobcat, a mountain lion. Is it another person out here? What is happening? And
none of them fit? And whenever, none of those things fit in that endless rolodex in our head. It's hard to process. Man. It's you know, yeah, I will say this, and it's just I just thought of this. There was I was talking to a guy. You know, it's been a couple of years ago, probably maybe longer than that. I was talking to a guy that his parents used to live in that area and
he did two years well, when he was a kid. And he just added the blue and I never mentioned and it still didn't you know, anything about you know, what happened to me. But he did mention that they would hear like hows and screams in the woods at night. Huh. That is all about that. Yeah, But you know, as far as that conversation went, I never said anything about what happened to me, and he
didn't really elaborate anything other than other than that. But that was probably I think where they would may have been a mile mile and a half from where that happened, or from the age from the edge of that property. I mean, I would consider that a puzzle piece for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but that just occurred to me. And you said the property backed up to state land. Oh yeah, it was just hundreds and thousands of acres of nothing. But you know, woods nothing. You know,
it's a very rural area. You know, small town here. Twenty miles down the rather day there's another small town you know. I mean, we kind of talked about what information you're comfortable with before we recorded. And I'll just say this much. This did happen in Alabama, Yes, And I am friends with a lot of people that have told me a lot of bigfoot stories from Alabama. Really. Yeah, it's a it's a pretty in the South. It's well known for its big foot activity and a lot of
it's some pretty strange stuff too. Yeah your story. Don't think you're crazy. I appreciate it. I really, Like I said, I appreciate you reaching out to me for one and sharing it because I know that's hard to do, and then to come on the show, like it takes a lot,
man, it takes a lot, and I appreciate it. Well, I appreciate you having me on. And you know, I said I had pretty much given up on you know, after reaching out the two pretty different people, and one contacted me back and telling me he did and I had pretty much given up on you know. Well I'm saying, you know, talking about it, and now no, I found your podcast a couple of weeks ago, I guess just three weeks ago, and really like it and listen to it quite a bit. Actually, and I don't know. Just
well, I'll give you just got an email and see what happens. Yeah, if nothing else, he has a cool name. That's the fact, you know it. Oh yeah, all right, Matt. Well, thanks again for coming on and sharing your story. I appreciate it, and I'm sure the listeners do as well. Well. Thank you so much for having me. And if you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website
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