Ep:79 The Oklahoma Hairy Man

I'd like to welcome Steve Edmonds to Bigfoot Crossroads. Uh. I was part of a podcast that interviewed you years and years and years ago. I don't know what it's called the podcast. No, podcasts weren't even a thing yet. I don't know what you would call it. But yeah, but I mean, we know a lot of the same people. I've been down in

the areas that you've done a lot of stomping around at. But your name has always come up in conversations as someone who is very knowledgeable about the ongoing stuff down in that part of I guess you'd call that south central Oklahoma if you don't mind. Just to get things rolling, just tell a little bit about yourself, Okay, there's not really much to tell, no, I

just yeah, Well, you know, I grew up down here. It's I don't know, it's it's considered south central, but it used to be considered southwestern, because you know, Oklahoma City has grown so big, it's now we're we're we used to just be called southwestern, but now it seems like we're getting sucked into the south central. But yeah, I grew up,

I grew up here. I'm a Native American I'm Katta and Western Delaware, and uh, you know that being in American you know, we've always had stories and I've always heard stories, and but then I've had I started having my own experiences that I think I was about eleven, ten or eleven when I first first saw the big hairy guy. And we call him harry Man. We call him Harry people are harry Man. That's what the cattle

was referred to him as. And and so I was I was about I was I think I was ten when I saw him walk across the claring down there by the tribe. And you know, my dad really didn't talk to me much about it. But after after I you know, ran down there and told him what I saw. He said, okay, he said,

just get close to here, you know, don't go too far. And and then he started telling me some of the stories you know that he heard and and you know that was passed along and you know, and I always said to me when I was when I was younger, he would always met me come in before it got dark, like like he would be getting it's t be going down. He's like, okay, you know, Steve, come on in. And I'm like I'm playing. You know, I've got

I was on the basketball court. It's all dirt, you know. I had my little roads and houses built, and I have my cars and my hot wheels and stuff. And I'm like, I'm like, really, Dad, And he goes, yeah, bring your bring your cars and mess up your roads. And I was like, Dad, He's like, mess up your roads, bring your cards. So it was like he was like, you know, let you know, don't leave any signs that the kids are

here. Yeah. And I never I never thought about that until I got older, and and hearing some of these toys and his other Native Americans saying, you know, telling their kids come in before dark or don't go out when it's foggy, and you know, stuff like that. And and my older brother I was telling him about that. He said, man, he said, when we were a little. Because I'm quite younger than them, he said, when we were a little, they left it out till one

two o'clock. To them, I guess they didn't care if anything got us. I wanted to ask you, in general, how does your tribe view this thing. Is it like a spiritual being? Is it a physical being? Is it just another animal out there? Or you know, you said you call it the hairyman or people, so I guess you guys see it as a person. Well, it's it's it's funny because I never did pursue that. I never did go around asking, which I wished I would have

when we had more elders. But I went to a couple of people and ask them, and they said, you know, some some of the elder to say, you know, don't talk about it, don't worry about it, don't bother him, you don't bother you. And then there are some that were saying, well, you know, he's kind of like a guardian protector, you know, he watches out. So there's I mean, there's

there's kind of kind of a conflicting stories I get. So I went and talk to my h you know, there was when when you're little like that and you go to the dances and stuff, you you developed friends, whether they're they're from different schools and stuff, different towns, and so he started hanging around with them and we had a we had a pretty uh uh rag tag group that you know, we'd always get with and uh, my friend Leonard, he's a he's in doing the po He's like moved into the Elder

squell on pod meetings and stuff. So I'm talking to him about that. I said, you know, all the times that you know your dad and stuff, the pots beings, I said, did they ever talked about He said, they've never really talked about it. They like, they know he's there, but they never really talked about him or acknowledge you know that he's here. And he's were telling me some of his experiences that he had, you know, growing up, because he grew up you know, over around

Lakiba. It's not very far from where I grew up and uh, and he was telling me, so it is some of his experiences. We were talking to you to night and I was like, Lass, and we gotta sit down and you know, eat dinner or drink cofference something talk because I said, I'm I'm sure you've got a lot of stories. And he added, he hasn't heard, you know, some of my stories. So so we'll get together and yeah, I'm gonna get get some more stories because he

had some good ones. He he, Uh, you know, I talked to some people that have experiences and you know, it's it's like I think I think I'm safe to say that there are quite a few people to think that he may be an interdimension the creature. And I know a lot of people in the Bigfoot world say, don't be talking about that, that's not even you know, possible, blah blah blah. But it is possible,

you know. I mean because the way that I was raised, in the way the Native Americans are raised, you know, there's there's there's different there's different things out there, and there were some things that were here before we were even here. So yeah, so I I mean, I can't really speak for the way the tribe, my tribe looks at it, but the way I do is I think they that they can be h enginementional and that

they can you know, they disappeared quick and so I don't know. You know, people talk about cloaking, and there's a lot of New Americans talk about, you know, how they just disappear right right there. And I talked to a lot of people that had that experience the fact, not about five years ago. Because I leave in the morning, I work, and sometimes I leave my house about three thirty four o'clock in the morning, drive to telk On the city and one and I always closed my current. My

mom always taught me because my curtains at starts getting dark. That was another you know, I guess. So we had like little rules that I didn't understand, but I did. They never told me. They wouldn't tell me, you know, close your windows at night when it starts getting dark, because I always if you here's something at the window, don't run the look

out. And I always ask my dad why. He's like something might be looking back at you, you know, so that you know that that that was good enough to keep me from peeking out of the windows work yeah, and so and so, and I usually do. But this one night in particular, one morning, I was getting my stuff, I was getting ready.

I was coming down the hallway and when he come out of the hallway there's living room and the kitchen to the right, and there's a kitchen window over the dining room table, and and I just I mean a lot everything. It was just weird because the light the curtain was open just enough. And my cousins lived behind me and they have a two yard lights and I just happened to just look out the window and I saw two dark silhouettes, no neck, broad shoulders, and they were kind of walking towards my house.

One was falling in the other. They walked kind of kind of like in the line, and I stopped and I looked. I was like, I stepped back, and I was like, I see that. I looked, and I could see him. So I put my stuff down the chair and I stepped back because if they would have continued walking, they would have came across under the yard light and I would have been able to see him.

But I didn't see anything. And I looked, and so I ran out the front door, which I should have ran out the back door, but I ran out the front door because I was the closest and went outside and there was nothing out. The dogs wouldn't barking. It was, I mean, it was quiet, and so I got my car and I backed up and I went over to that yard and I hit my brides and got out and look because you know, I thought, well, maybe they just went down. Now they were gone and we couldn't find any I think Kirk

came by. We did go and look, because he's happened to be down that day or that that night. We went found an impression but couldn't make anything of it. But yeah, that, and that was just so weird. I mean, it was like I could I mean, I saw them. So I talked to my cousin the next night and I said, the evening and I said, where's anybody out? And she's like, no, we were, you know, we were all in, she said. But you know, my son and his wife did here voices from behind the house.

She said, they sounded human, they sounded like they were talking English, but they couldn't make out what they were saying. They said, it's almost like they were arguing, almost h And they heard that earlier that night. And she said, but no, nobody was, you know, nobody was out roaming around. I said, okay, well I saw and it was two figures. Like I said, I've seen them enough to know what

they looked like. And to me, that's what to two hairy people coming across, like walking towards my house, like cutting across, because I think they cut across the yards through here. But they used to, because we used to get all kinds of activities, activities around here. I always that's when people asking me, I see I grew up with them in my backyard, which is true. But here lately it seems like they're the activities really

really been non existent. Huh, what do you think happened that caused that they just left the area or something? Well, you know, like I said, I know, I know people people. You know, I just asked people trying to keep an open mind because I've seen things, you know, not just the you know, a hairy man and the hairy people. I've seen you know, paranormal things, things that are just you know, I've seen a dear change into an hour like that. Whoa. Yeah,

So I think that there's something else coming in on their property. You know, it's territorial thing. I heard at once to explain to me that, yeah, that they have their territories, but there are also things, other things out there that you know, push onto the territory. And so I've heard some weird Kyle vocalizations that I've never heard before, and I recorded one.

Well it's been about a year and a half ago. And sometimes whenever it would vocalize, the cutouts would be quiet and sometimes they start up. But this night it was that there was nothing going on and it made its vocalization and it was you know, outside of my house, and I could hear it, like walking away but it was still doing its vocalization, so I don't know. And then maybe it's just the heat. I think they

you know, they move. I think you know there are there, you know, they eat what they can and what they can find, and I think that might be part of it too, But I really don't know. But that's why I was talking to some people down here at the kind we had a meeting culture culture meet. We did get together and we'll meet saying, practice our songs and you know, stories and stuff, and so we sung until eleven already and we moved outside and there's the four of us.

After talking, we talked till two thirty, and so the security guard came out and she I know her, and so we were talking. So I was asking her, have you heard any things? So it's not a while and she said, I hear her cry outs, which I haven't either, and uh, And I said, well, what do you what do you think? I mean, have you ever heard of your that? When's the last time you heard something? It's been over a year, and assad, well, I don't know that kind of kind of missile. But at the

same time, we're like, well, what was that? You know, tell me about that? First sighting that you had whenever you were a kid, Like what exactly happened? Okay, Well, where I lived, the the tribal headquarters or whatever is the ways from my house. And so my mom and my dad and I had an aunt and uncle that were down there in the community house. They were cutting meat. I guess we're gonna have a dinner. I don't remember. I was like I once say that I

was ten. And so they they had a well called man uncle. They're a distant aunt uncle. They want my like real aunt uncle. But you know, we called him an uncle. And so they had a son. His name was Junior. We call him Jews. And so him and I were walking around, you know it is you know, eighties, and he had a little boom box. And so we're just walking around the dance arena, and you know, I was walking around just you know, I besting

around because you know, parents were down there cutting meat. So we were walking and I got to the top of the hill and he said, ah, he said, I got us there rested, and there was an old out house just you know, little ways off. It didn't work, but he says, green box down went went behind the out house to relieve himself. And so I'm sitting there, you know, kicking the rocks because it was all graveled and the roads are gravel and I was kicking. I was

looking down and I was happening. Looked up and looked to my east, and there was a hill and there was a little bit of a clearing, probably about a ten foot clearing, and I saw him. He's walked across that clearing. He took that clearing and just as pretty much like one step, probably about seven foot tall, black shiny here. Because the sun was going down in the west, I was looking east, so you know, the sun was kind of low, and so that I mean, I could

just see his here shining. It was just black shiny here. He didn't look at me, he didn't turn around. He just you know, walked across the walked across that clearing, and and I was like, Jude, I'm getting out of here, and I took off running. I didn't even wait for him. He came running back here and got just be boxed and I see, wait, wait, what's going on? Wait where you going? And I'm I'm gone, dude, I'm just I'm forced gumping hill. Yeah, And I get down the community house, and I mean I even

slowed down hit that. I just hit the house boom and went rolling in there. And my dad like, what's wrong, And I said, I just saw this big hairy thing like big foot up up there on the hill. And he's kind of looked at me and looked at looked at Uncle Mel and he says, well, just stay around here and then don't go too far. And I was like, okay, yeah, yeah, after seeing that, I didn't go anywhere. I stayed you know, in the house.

And then all the way home, you know, after he got home, which is not very far, he started telling me some stories and stuff and you know, well what you probably saw was this, and you know, don't be scared of them. You know they're not gonna hurt you. You know, just just you know, kind of mind your own business and don't mind their own business, and you know, just trying to calm me down, because you know, that was that was something else, you know,

to see that at ten, ten years old. And yeah, so that then after that, I mean, but before that, I should say, I was telling you I remember some things that I you know, so forgot. But about a couple of years before that, like we'd have the dances down there and on the tree line on the road going into the to

the to the property. It was you know, a wooden line, and we would go down there and we would like just we'd like pick something up and throw it into the trees and they and then something would come out of the trees, like we dot a rock and the rock would come out back out. And if we pick something up, you know, throw it in

there, then it would come back out. And then we then like like ten feet from the tree line, this tree just started shinking real hard, you know, oh cool, And then we throw something at it and then something would throw it back. And we did that, I mean like every other every dance we went, every dance that we had, we do that. We go And finally my dad found out. He's like, I can't up here and quit best with those and that's what he said, just don't

be doing that. He said, just leave it along. And I was like, okay. So that was that was before I you know, I've got a couple of years before I actually physically saw them. But yeah, we throw we throw things in the tree line and throw things back, and then it would just start like We had that one time where we had like

three trees just violently shaking, all at the same time. But they were they were they spread out about you know, thirty thirty twenty yards thirty yards apart, but they were close enough to where we could see them, but we couldn't see what we was shaking them. Yeah, and then you know, they say, don't whistle at night, don't whistle whiter walking out of the woods, and uh, and we'd be down there, we'd whistle,

and they whistle back, and we whistle. It was almost like signmon because we're like, you know, we like change our whistle and it would change this whistle. It was. It was just you know, walking what we were doing. So I don't know if they were juveniles. I don't know if they're older, but they I mean they I guess they like the attention. I want to say that they were, you know, juveniles because you

know, we're playing is what we're doing. Yeah, I mean a lot of the stories that I heard from down there were kind of centered around kids too. Yeah. From from what I can, what I've observed or what I you know, is that yeah, if you want to, uh, kind of draw them out or they're curious that you know, you can you can you know, have kid voices because they they like to, I guess, check out what the kids are doing. I think they're playful, is

what it is. I mean, that's just me. I mean, you hear some of the tribes out out west or northwest that you know what they grab kids or you know they you know, they they're grab and see around here, we'll see. What I was told was when you know we are our original lands are around the corners of Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and Louisiana. That's where we that's that's our homelands. And from what I what my dad told me was what elders told them was that they followed us as

we migrated. You know, we're migrated. We hadn't move out, migrated Texas then up to Oklahoma. And I always so that they followed us up from Louisiana really so that they've kind of always been with the tribe. That's what I'm saying. So some people say, you know that they they were kind of like guardians a little bit that they watch watched out for us, and uh and then yeah, but that's I mean, that's kind of what

I believe. I think I think, yeah, they probably did keep up with us, and that you know that the ones that are around, you know, here in my backyard and around the tribe are probably the same from the same I guess you could say tribe, the same family, the same tribe, because I think that that's what they do, is that they you know, they occupied an area and this is you know, like when you go camp and you know, you all, this is our area, we're

gonna put up our tent. You know, this is where we're gonna be. And yeah, I kind of kind of think that's that's kind of what they do too. They have their own territories. They moved from place to place, and I think that's you know, that's what they kind of do. They kind of might, you know, move and but they always come back. What can you tell me about Purgatory? What do you want to know? Well, I've been down there once or twice and at daytime it's

an amazing place. It's a pretty unique place, the drive in there and everything. But at nighttime it was one of the scariest places I've ever been. And nothing happened. Nothing happened. I don't remember anything happening I think we might have heard a distance vote, you know, a distant vocalization. But I mean, I've heard horror stories about the place. Yeah, well with that place, I think it's a little bit of a bicture of everything.

It's a little bit of paranormal, and I think it's a little bit squatchy. I think it just kind of depends on you know, sometimes we affect the area we're in. Whatever we bring sometimes triggers whatever is there, and so you know, nothing happened, So that might be a good thing, but I think it's just kind of a mixture of of things that could happen there. You could see, you know, something not human and then you could see you know, Harryman or you know, or something just quite

questionable. There's a there's a place like that that I know that I used to go visit. In fact, my buddy and I were talking about the same place because that's where his experience has happened and I had some really uh

with experiences out there, and it's it's kind of like that too. It's it's uh, you know, trees are overgrown and you go when you sit and you you hear movement and you might even see a dark a big, huge dark silhouette, and then then you might see a fog little space, a little place of fog that's moving along the road, and then all of a sudden, something comes out of it that kind of looks like it's trying

to stand up. You know, it's it's it's kind of weird because you know that, you know, I'm stick I mean, I didn't stick around to see what what what it formed into that, you know, And after I experienced that, I thought maybe I shouldn't be out here so much. Because we used to go out there. We used to, I mean we

were goofy. We take a bandload of people and we go out there and sit and you know, part be throwing pop cans things at the band, and you know we're and you could hear them moving and and everybody gettings here and stuff, and you know, he just then he takes off. And we did this rout before that whatever that, whatever that fog was, We did that before we got to town and where everybody's getting out of the vand and stuff, and it's look, there's this big handprint on the side out

there. It started right behind the passage to go and went all the way down to it, like it just reached out and just let you know, as a band went by, just you know, and it was it was

a big hit print Wow. I mean yeah, I've heard stories basically groups of people going to some spot or somebody's house, even in the backyard and just setting up the lawn chairs and sitting around and talking and just basically waiting for these things to get there and entertain them for the night, you know, until everybody got too scared to stay and then all you know, haull butt out of there. Yeah, or the you ran out of wooden the fire guys. Yeah, I don't want to be the guy that has to

go get the new firewood either. Yeah. Oh that's that's always fun. That's always fun. When you send the new the new people out there, they get, yeah, get some more wood. But yeah, let's go out there. We're watching you. So have you have you heard any stories about them like coming out to like the pow wows, to the drums, or coming out to the powers after everybody leaves and everybody's kind of picking up

and heading home. Oh, I'm yeah, I mean that's there's there's a lot, I mean, just about any any tribe that any tribal people that you talked to, you will always have stories like that. I think they're real curious and back just with you know, just with my tribe. You know, we have we used to have a lot of dances a lot of times and uh, you know we have we have dinners on Saturdays and you

know, feed the whole tribe. And and so you know, there were people that would talk about, you know, after they after whoever has the dance or whoever was in charge of clean up, will clean up bag all the trash and then coming in the next day or come in that Monday, and those tracks, those back, those bags of trash are dragged across the

road into the tree lines and gone through. You know, I had an uncle just recently passed away, and I was ran into him down here at the travel store and he's like I was talking to him and I asked him, you know how things going over there, because he lives he lives about five or six miles away from where I live. And you know it's he lives in a kind of a wooded area. We said, how else down below his where he lived, it was his parents' house, and it's like

Steve, I've got so much activa out there. He said, you need to come out there, and I said, okay. I said, let's let me know when it goes well, he goes, just whenever you want to, you let me know when you're coming out and get this phone number. And so I told carry us, I said, we come down, let's go out there. And so we did. I don't know if he told you about it, but we got out there and just you know,

started doing the initial interview. You know, what's still daylight. It was probably you know, five o'clock in the summer in the evening, you know, and we started hearing tree knocks back then and there, and so he was selling some of the stories. He's like, like, I said, native native guy. He said, yeah. I was sitting there watching TV. He said, start getting dark, he said. So I got up and closed my closed the curtains to my living room window. He said,

just as I went sit down, he said to do it. Running by the window. He's like, it was waiting for me to close. It hurt. And then he said, you know, he's old military guy, and he would roll his hose up, you know, perfectly in front of the house. You'd go to town, come back and the holes of something would grab the hose and stretched across the yard, so you'd have to roll it back up again. And but what was really amazing was he had a he had two horses, and he had that spent the south side of the

yard fenced off. And but he had those grand those middle I don't know, they weren't loom I want to say they were middle the metal correl. You know how he could just get the you know, the corral and he could just put him in the ground and make it a little crowd. Yeah, like the panels. The panels, thank you. And so he had those. But one was laying down. He said, come here, he said, look at this. He said whatever. He said, Well, we know what it is, he said, but I'm just gonna say whatever

it was. Pulled it out of the ground. It was very fourth feet deep in the ground. Pulled it straight out of the ground. And then on the pole where the on the pole where the pole with us, sorry, where the pole, where the the hinges where you put the fence on. You know. There they got the little metal pigs that come up and out. Yeah, And so he he showed us and whatever. It grabbed that metal peg, a little bitty metal peck and just been it straight down.

Kurt's got pictures of it. Wow. So pulled it out of the ground. The benthos like, you're not gonna use us, you know, And so, yeah, we had a lot of movements that night. We never didn't see anything, but we heard a lot, and he wanted us to come back out again, but unfortunately he passed away. So and they when pulled up. I looked at some nice rocks on your riff, he goes, He goes, you know what that's from? I said, Do they really throw on He goes, yeah, he goes, I could be

at the kitchen cooked and I hear that rock. He had rocks on his roof where they were just throwing rocks on his riff. Huh. Do you hear stories of like violent encounters, you know, that's what that's what that's funny. They asked me that the other night when we were out there talking stories, you know, and that's what they said. They aren't they violent, you know? I said, I'm not. Now with the tribe and

around here, I've not heard of the violence stories. I've only heard, you know, they're curious the you know, they might, you know, you might. I had an answer that where you know, doing dishes, look out the window and there's one standing off about ten feet off the window, looking you know, in the window, and I'm like, you know, we're done. You know. But I've I've not ever heard of any attack, and now I've heard stories like the only the only really violent story

I heard, and it was not really violent. It was kind of weird the little town south of me. In fact, I got a friend that I've uh been talking to. He's, you know, he's he's he's a poet and he's a published Arthur and I just mentioned it to him and he's like, oh yeah, he goes. They called my dad when that happened. What happened was there was an Indian home with the Indian people living just

right before you get into the town. It's right off the road. And I guess so like the juvenile came up and grabbed one of the kids and just started dragging him by his leg up the hill and they took off chasing him, and one of the one of the uncles, had all they had was a two by four and hit across the back. He said and let it, let the child go, and he grabbed him and they ran back down the hill and they called his dad to you know, bring a shotgun

out there into the house because they didn't have any weapons. That had to be what early nineties, And that's that's that's the only the only story I

heard of anything like grabbing or you know having to use Yeah. And but around here, I mean, like I said, I haven't you know, I've had a cousin that lived if you go share from my house about what two two and a half three miles from my house, And while the uncle and the cousin lived in the back and they can't they didn't, I mean, I don't know, I want, I don't want to say they harassed

them, but they always let them know that they were there. And he was always chasing them, you know, hey, get out of here, and uh go out, you know, fire his gun in the year and he said, but they'd always be standing off in the wood line, or they'd just be outside of the the security light, yard light. You know, but they and a lot of people see them down there. But I've never heard of, you know, any attacks or anything like that. Now. But her dogs doesn't hear, yeah, you know, that's that's kind

of a different thing. In fact, my cousin back here, she said that she had a pit and and a little un if it was a whinny dog. There's a small dog and she said, I let him out to go the bathroom and they go out, and she said it they'd always be looking on the east side, which where our houses are. There's a field and there's a fence on top of the hill. I got I gotta tell you the story about that. But it seemed like that they always came.

They would always just come to that fence on top of the hill. They hardly ever came over that fence. If if you saw him or herd them, you you went on the side of the fence. But anyway, she said, then they bark that way. And she said, so one night, she said, that little dog just took off into that because there was a fence and there's there's a there's weeds right there, big tall weeds, and she said it just went whoop into the weeds. And then she said

heard she I was here. It was a yelt and said that pit took off and he ran and she ran into the woods. I mean into jumped over those weeds, and then she and you heard her kind of making noise, and she come jumping out and there she had a big scratch on her back and she ran straight into the house. And they said for two weeks

she would not come out, huh. And then when she did coming out, she would come out, but she wouldn't get very far from the house, and then she would kind of look to exact direction and kind of whine a little bit, and then she'd go back into the house. They said it took a couple of months before she would go back out into the yard, you know, just be out of the yard. But like I said, I mean, I'm other than that with people. I'm not hurt any

kind of violent. I mean, I don't know anything for a fact, but it you know, a lot of the stuff that you hear sounds like they do things to see what our reaction is going to be. Yeah, And like if they smack the house and you come running out looking, then they're going to keep smacking the house. You can almost guarantee it. Or they may just be saying, you know, well let's see if anybody's here, or let's see your let's let them know, boom, I'm here,

I'm back. We're back. You know, I don't know it. Yeah, I don't know what the because one night, it's probably been about a year or so, I was getting ready to go to bed. It was about eleven o'clock. I was in my bedroom and I shut everything down. I went to my bedroom and I was just getting in the bed and on the very top of the window, not not not on the window, but the very top of the window was like three knocks. And I was like,

and I set up, and I was like, huh. So I got you know, I got dressed, and I text my daughter because she was living in normous time, I said, and hey, bag, I said, something just knocked on my window, on the top of my window, you know, three knocks or so I'm gonna go check it out. And then she called me. She was, uh, well call me as soon as you get done. I said, okay, And so I got off flashlight, went out, looked around. No infusions. I can't find

anything. I didn't even hear, you know, my cousin's dog's bark him. But yeah, I went out, looked around and came back in and we called her and said, you know, nothing. She was all right, Dad, we'll be careful and if you need anything, let me know. And I said, you got all your doors and windows walk right, said yes. She says, okay, so we'll call me in the morning. I said, okay. So I went to sleep. I went you know when they went to sleep, and that and nothing. Nothing I did

about a year ago. I didn't get up in the middle of night go to the bathroom. I leave my bathroom light on and uh. And so I was doing my business and I heard like a scratch on the screen and I didn't think anything about it. It was three o'clock in the morning, and it's like like you know, like a like a nail across the screen. And I didn't and I was saying, I was still kind of have sleet, and I was thinking, I wonder if I wonder if that was

a branch or you know, a weed. So I went late that down and I got next morning, which is a Saturday morning, and I thought about it. I went outside and looking and it was nothing near that window. So but that was I haven't really heard anything other than that. But yeah, I could be a reaction. It could just be you know, hey, we're back or you know, we're we're here and we're letting you know. Do you think they recognize people? I do, I really do.

I think they get accustomed to people now, I know. You know, have you heard of mine speak? Yeah? Yeah, okay, I never gave it a thought, you know. But and that's why I seeing those guys down here, I said, But the interesting thing happened. Okay, So we have an annual dance from my grandmother. And so one year,

this has been probably about fifteen years ago. I went down to the dance and I saw my cousin and and he had he had his new girlfriend with him, and she was not native, she's non native, and she and I started talking to him. And she looked at my cousin and she goes, is this him? And I goes, oh, yeah, this is this is this is Steve. And she goes, Hi Steve, and she gotta shook my hand, and I was like, hi, you know, like, do I know you? She was, oh, I'm sorry,

says no. And so my cousins started telling me. So they came out to you know, work on the ground, and she started getting this communication and he induced himself. I don't if he even remembers the name every time I see him. I got to ask him the name I gotta write down, but he gave him. He gave his name, said he was older Bigfoot, his mate had died and he didn't think he had very much longer, you know, to be here, and started telling her about different

people and different things at the tribe. She's never been here before, she's never even met any of us before. But this I was telling her, you know what, so and so is this so and sew does this? You know the My uncle used to have an AA meeting and after he got through, he take the food and put it on a plate and he would said it you know, by the road. But then he would sit there and you know, sing some songs. It just kind of or you know

whatever, and then he got up to leave. When he got up to leave, he said they'd go get the food and you know, talked about different and then talked about me, you know, being around the tribe and not being scared that you know, I walked at night, you know, through the through the on the road and described me to a team didn't know my name, but described me. Wow, and yeah and so I never and so yeah, it kind of freaked me out because I was like,

and sup, and I talked to my cousin last year, so I never did ask about it about it, and I said, you ever keep up, you know, ever keep on touch with it. She goes, she goes, no, but you know that he followed us to Washington State. I said, what do you meet? Just well, he said, we moved after that, he said, I moved with her. Her family was from Washington State. He said, I moved up there, and he followed us up there and was telling about he told her about my first kiss,

you know, he said, behind grandma's house, by those orchards. Said he was by those orchards, and he said, and he told he told her that he kissed a little white girl and everything. And he's like, nobody knew about that. You know that your grandma new about that. And after what he did, he must have been watching another he told off on you. And so yeah, he said, he said that he went up

to watching the state and it was he was mind speaking with her. I guess, you know, I don't know, you know, people might call her crazy, but it was just so where that she's not ever been around here, and I ever talked to anybody, and it was our first time beating down there, and and why would why would she say it was a big foot doing it? You know, like if you're gonna make up a story and you yeah, like, why would you say a bigfoot told me this? Yeah? I mean he didn't say he was a big foot.

He said he was you know, a Harry what they call a Harry person, Yeah, Harry man. I mean, have you heard of anybody else doing that besides her? Nope, I'm not. I'm not ever. You know, I know one I know one instance that they were down there at the complex and they pulled in and there was a little one underneath. He was trying to hide underneath the vehicle and covered his eyes and then the I

can't remember who it was. It was the baby was the baby, but was talk was she was young, probably about five or six, and start crying. She goes, it's it's saying that we gotta get out of here and we're gonna get hurt. And so I freaked their parents out, so they left. But other than that, I'm not ever, you know I heard anybody communicated with him like that. I'm I've seen documentaries and shows and

stuff, right, but I'm not ever nobody personally. No, that was and that was that was wild because I mean, like I said, I didn't. I mean, I had no idea. She's like, it's this human He's like, oh yeah, this is Steve and she's I was like, Okay, what's going on talking about He's talking about me here? What do you think's going on at Booger Bottoms? H Kurt told me that you

guys have gone down there several times. Well, I think it's become more of a paranormal spot than it has ye know, the Bigfoot spot, because you know, first couple times went down there, we could hear something physically moving and you know, you can see where they impressions and stuff. But but what's so weird is that the Game of Wildlives has put signs down there and built a fence. You tay that, Yes, yes, we would

go down there because you could go down there and park. You remember how I said you go in yeah, in park and it was a fence. But yeah, they it seems like they the Game Wildlife has kind of started putting signs and fences up along that part of the lake. And so yeah, so we really couldn't get close. But the last couple of times we went, we had we had it was really weird because I had a weird feeling. That's why I told Kurt. I said, something's not right here,

I said, I don't do you. Are they around you? I said, something's around you know, I said. And then when we're standing there behind his truck, I know, I'm in corner of my eye, I saw like a guy with the cowboy hat standing behind there, just kind of facing us. And I turned like that real quick because I thought it

was Kurt coming up and that's why. And he was on the front of the truck, you know, So I went, I thought maybe he came around, and uh, I won't know what Kurt would look like in a cowboy hat, but anyway, probably like a Texas Ranger, I would think, so, all right, And so that's why I told him. I said, I just saw someone standing back. Every body the truck, but but we're in a cowboy hat. And so that's when he started telling me

about that e VP, that Dan or somebody died. Yea, yeah, and I was like really, he said yeah, he said so, and I said, well, I said, I'm not feeling comfortable. He goes, you know, someone's not right here. I said, I know, it's just really weird. And I said, I'm ready to leave when you are. And usually that's not that's not that's because he said, I don't know if he told you. He's like, that's not Steve. You know, he has sn't get freaked out about anything. And I was, I

was, it was. It was not a I can't explain. It was just like a weird feeling. And so I was like, I'm ready when you are. He goes, well, he goes, let's go, and so we took off and as we were driving, we could see lights and it looked like it was coming from the ground up. But they would they remove it. I mean, you know, I thought, you know, maybe an old old rig. Uh, they're fixing a bit of ore.

Again. They got the lights out there. But it was weird because as we would drive, it was like they were moving, you know, like they like they were there. And so we came through Binger and uh, the store closes at eleven, and it was nine o'clock. Because I remember saying, he goes, you need to stop, get something drink and go to the bathroom. I said, I'm good, and I said, yeah, I said, because it closes that. You know. I looked at

my watch, it was like nine, you know. So we came on back and then we went north, you know, on the road out here by by the ass and those lights and and I know how to scribe him now, like Skinning Walker Ranch, when he see those lights coming out from the from the basin, that's what they look like. They looked like they were coming from the heels over here. And so we drove and we went

down that road and I said, they're still there. And so we got to get in where we had to back up, and so we backed up, and then we went to the next smile section and pulled over, and he said, you want to get out. He goes, I'm wanting to look these you know, look at these things steven oculars and stuff. And we're like, okay. So we saw these lights and then all of a sudden we saw like three three military planes, I think there are three.

They started flying towards They're coming from the west and they're coming towards us. And as they went over. Once they went over, everything was gone, the lights, everything, and then and so we got back in the truck. We started talking. We started driving and I'm like, man, I am tired. He goes me too. He goes, I, I'm kind of warre out and I said me too, and start pulled down here by my house and we're gonna sit there. And I was like, I'm try

look at my watch and I said what time? What time do you have? And he's like, it's going on one o'clock and I said it was just nine o'clock, not too long ago, and yes, And so we started going back talking and we can't there's an hour that we can't we don't remember. I mean, we can't account for it because we did this. We stopped here, we're here, this took you know this low. We stopped here, we got out here, those jets flew over and then we

came back and went and sat at that one spot. And he started getting tired. And I told him. I said to me, like two two to three days to fully get back my energy. And then he said the same thing I said, because I just want to come home and sleep. Where would you guess the lights were exactly well, like I said, we

you were at Fort Cobb. So the lights looked like they were they were on this side of Beinger, between Fort Cobb and Binger, But as we kept going, like I said, the lights would stay almost in the same spot. So when we got two Beinger, we started coming out towards my house. Look like there's there's some bluffs, there's some cliffs off to the north. That's why I went that way because it looked like they were coming from out from those bluffs and they were coming out. That's that's what I

said. That was what's so weird about it. It's like they stayed with us until you know, we got to Beinger. Then it looks like they were coming out of the bluffs and I mean, there's just nothing out there. No, No, there's yeah there there's maybe there's a church built on that road now, but at the time it wasn't built yet, and yeah,

and it's there's nothing there. And so that's what I said that, you know, when it's really weird when he saw those yes, because he's got that plane finder, which I got it now, and he's like, these these jets aren't registring. They're not you know, and they we saw him coming as they flew over. We watched him go over and we started

talking that's when I know it's the lights are gone. And then that's what I was like, Well, let's let's get out of here, you know, because you know we're in come sit at a spot where just a little ways office I had. I had a lot of experiences over there, and that's why we came to that spot. And then I was like, man, I'm tired, he goes. I am to think about calling the night. I said, we're getting old. It's early. But then when I said, we looked at I watched it. It was like going it was

almost one, and I was like, wait a minute. And we started, you know, accounting for our hours, and there's one hour that okay, but from from ten till from eleven to you know midnight. Well, you know we we well we were doing this right, I don't know what we were you know, so we're like, it winted this out. Yeah, it was. Yeah. You know. There was one time where we were done at the bottoms and there was a pretty good group of us there,

several vehicles. I was walking down the vehicles, you know, that were parked there along the tree line away from the bridge, and one of the people that was with her, her name was Crystal, and she had a big suburban and she had a kid with her at the time. Her youngest was with her, and he was probably six or seven years old at the time. And I walked by her vehicle and her windows were halfway down, and I saw her kid laying in the back seat. I could see,

you know, somebody laying in the back seat. It's pitch black dark, and that's what it was because I heard those step why, it sounded like footsteps. And I had walked back there and I saw the kid laying in the back seat and I heard the growl, and I got nervous because, like, here's this kid conked out in this suburban with the windows down and I'm hearing footstep up and growls over here. Yeah. So I went back to the rest of the group at the bridge and I said, Crystal,

you might want to go get your kid. Like I'm hearing some sounds from over there, and I think I heard a growl, and she goes, what do you mean, I said, your kid in the back of the suburban. I heard something by it, and she said, well, he's right here, he's over there by so and so. And I look over and there's the kid standing on the bridge with somebody, and I was like, well, who's laying down in your back seat? And she's like

nobody. So we walked over there with flashlights. Nobody's in there, but I swear there was somebody laying in that back seat whenever I walked by there. Wow. Well, I mean i'd never heard you know, everything was always attributed to Bigfoot down there. Yeah, so the idea that maybe there was paranormal stuff going on there too kind of makes a lot of sense for

some of the stuff that was happening down there. Yeah, And I think for some reason, it's getting more it's more evident, more more there because, like I said, you know, the last time we went, we didn't get anything. That's why I found them. I'm like, I'm getting comfortable again. Yeah, me too, Let's go. And so we're really Since then, we've I think we've only been back there once. And it's I got talked about seditious. It's just not. The feeling is not.

It's not a good feeling. It's not. It's like we're not supposed to be here, or something doesn't want us here and it wants to make it a point to show us that it doesn't want us. So do you hear stories of people seeing things that aren't big foot? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, I've got I've heard stories of you know, people seeing by foot look like a praying man. It's walking on his high legs. You know. Uh, there's actually a real like a skinny like you know, a

real skin almost like what do you call him? A slender man kind of uh? Beyah. My cousin, his son saw it crossing the highway down here below my house. He said it was skinny. It was real skinny. Yeah. And like I said, when my well, we're coming back from My mom moved in Darko, and so I went down to see her. And I was married at the time, and I had we had hers minding ours, and so the kids were sleeping the back because it was like

about eleven o'clock. Were coming back and got outside of Grace Mott and and so we're just talking. The kids are asleep, and we're at the suv and we come up on that hill and I see it. My parent peal, I'll see a deer. It's coming out of the tree line, jumps the fence and hits the bar ditch and then he comes up and he's gonna he's coming right out in front of me, and and so I'm not gonna swerve try to miss him. I'm just gonna hit him because I got kids

in the back. And so I just kind of gripped the stern wheel and my now ex wife at the time grabbed the old crap handle and the dash because you know, she was bracing so she saw it too. Yeah, oh yeah, and so and so just as we got on the hill, all of a sudden there's an owl and he's slapping his wings trying to get out of our way, and he get you know, he goes up just

as we go by. And and so as we go down the hill and then we come up the next hill, we're both quiet, and so we started going off the next hill and I let kid, I said, what did gc? She steep back to where it was a dear. So I was getting ready for the impact. It was a dear and I said, oh, it was an owl, And she goes, is that a I

said, yep. I said, I had to be a shape, sister, I shaped hill because that gear we were gonna we were gonna plan it because like I said, I saw it come out because that night I saw it come out over the fence into the bar, gets up on the highway and just as it was coming into our path. It's an hour, it's flapping this way and he's he's flapping to get out of our way. We're just like, because you know, I didn't slow down, I didn't hit

my brakes. I was just breaking brakes and for impact, because I wanted to take a chance on you know, flipping the vehicle with the kids and you know, sleeping stuff. I don't know if the listeners are aware or not, but hitting a deer is a pretty big impact. Yeah. I

mean, even if its the dough, it's still yeah. Yeah, and it's just yeah, it was just and she and she was Steve's because where it was deer said okay, so make sure we were on the same page that the kids didn't see it. They were asleep, which was you know, it was black as that posits an hour, but so yeah, I've seen yeah that. And I was telling about the about the stories about the

community house being haunted. I said, I went when I was law enforcement down there, and the window was opened and and you got to go in and walk the whole length of the building just to get to old bill and built in the thirties. And uh. And I went back then and shut the window. I came back and checked that middle door, and then that from behind me, it was a deep voice. I said, what are you doing here? I was like what. I turned around, looked around.

Okay, I's walked on out. I got my jeep and lifts. Yeah, that wasn't in the police handbook. Yeah, but I mean then that one night I was getting ready that I was logging out and our office is way in the back and something kicked the front door. The doors are locked, they're double doors, glass doors, and something just I mean it, something like he just kicked the doors. Boom boom, boom. And so I jumped up and running down the hallway and went out, looked around.

Nothing had my flashlight. I mean, there's no place. Came back at high because it's parking are parking lot, you know, and nothing. And so but before that, before I started working there, i'd go back there and this lady named Ruby, that was her office and I was talking

to her. Well maybe I was. I was security before I came off it because they're trying to get all everything together because they just fired their other officers and they were still trying to get everything together, and so they said, you know, just pulled security for now. And so I went in and talked to her, and we'll be talking and you'd see something go by

the window. They were a little bitty windows, probably about six by well they were long, I'll you know, long windows, but they were you know, six inches wide, but they were you know, just the length of the room and from the ceilings floor. And I saw something the bias somebody outside. Steve, I see it all the time. You go look, there's nobody will be there. He said. It goes by window all the time. So I'll say, okay, well, if you're okay with

it. You know, did you court tell you about the outside of grace Mont like about a year ago, like a m I have been last summer about that. We went by over by Sugar Creek and there's a there's a river bid, there's a drive river bid bid, and then there's the creek itself. And so we went on this side because his nephews, grandfather Lisa's that property. And I've been talking about, uh, strange things happen, big hay Bales being moved, you know, rolled rolled into the field.

You know those how hay bales aren't aren't light right, And yeah, so we went and so we we had him with us, and so we walked, we walked down into that barbage and he goes, are you sensing anything you you know, you sensing him or or the ear? I said, man, he I said, something's here. I said, but it's not. It's not Harry, I said, it's those thing's ancient. I said, it's weird. It said, it's it's something that's been here longer than we have. And he said, and so you know, his nephews like,

oh, what do you think he did? Yes, I don't know. I don't know, he said, said I don't know. I said, I'm not. Don't get me speculating. By that time, we could hear something. We could hear too, something coming towards us, but it wasn't it was pour legged and and so all I had was a flashlight and Kurt had his back vision doggle just the chronicle order, you know, the

lens. And so we're sitting there and we could hear it coming and and so I waited till I got about it's probably about seven six seven yards from us, and it hit the hit the flashlight, and it was a wolf, but it was it had long, curly fur. It wasn't slick colored, it wasn't slick bird. It was curly, I mean, really weird curly, bright yellow eyes. And just as I hit that flashlight, as it hit him, he stopped in mid step and then it's kind of looked

at us and slid to the side, slid out of the light. He didn't walk, he didn't cry, He just slid to the side. And his nephew saw it too, And I turned the light off, and I looked at I happened to look at Kurt, and he was looking through that and he kind of jerked his head and he looked at me. He goes, yeah, I think you better get out of here. And so we got up to the top of the field and he goes, so I told him what we saw. He goes, he as well, He goes,

I saw I had a heat signature coming across that field. He said. Then all of a sudden, it was like right in front of me, like it went from that field that just right in front of me, he said. I said that when he jerked and he goes, Yeah, he goes. So I was like, you know, he's a pull bunt, not using down and there wasn't anything there. He said, do you care if I get my a R? I said, if it makes you feel better, if you want to make makes you feel a little secure, then

yeah, sure. But that just happened last year and yeah yeah outside. Yeah, man, gray Spawn is a hotbed. What's the deal at that place? You know? I don't know. We were talking about that the other night when I was talking to my friend from Grace Spot were in gray Smont and we're talking about that because we were talking about that. I used to That's how Kurt and I met because I was the chief down here. I was a law enforcement down there and I came across his group when they

were leaving the cafe. They stopped and ate at the cafe because they were outside of gray Spat. They used to have a spot there that's no longer there anymore. But and that's you know, I got talking to him and they tell me who they are, what they were doing, and so I told him a few of my stories. So that's how I met Lucy and

Hurt. They were part of that grew so anyway, but yeah, one one night, I walked out of the City Halls right at the end of the main street, and I walked out of the out of the office and I looked, because there's a part when you come out to the left there there's a park and it's got the Merry go Around swings and you know, and that murder around was just one no win And I had another auster with now that Merry go Around and and we sat there and washed it and then

it just slowly just stopped going around, like oh, somebody's here, you know, or someone's sauce, and it just quit and that kind of you know. We were like, man, that's weird. And then went down there and took pictures and they were there were sports all over down that at that park. I can't remember. Outside of Grace once somewhere there's like a little church and a bridge or something. It's like Chapel Road or something like

that. We went down there and it was another one of those places just you know, as soon as you got out, just everything was really thick filling. Yeah. Yeah, And some one of us had a night vision scope. This was back whenever night vision was state of the art there. Thermal wasn't even a thing you could get yet. Yeah. And uh, there was something, you know, kind of off in the fence line. You know, it's all grown up out there and everything, and there was

something kind of ducking down and like watching us for quite a while. I couldn't figure out what it was. I mean, it looked like a head and shoulders whatever it was. Yeah. And then there was a lady. Yeah. And then there was a lady with us, and uh, she's no longer with us. Her name was Kelly, but Kelly kind of I would say, Uh, you know, she was one of those people that was gifted, like she could sense things for sure. Yeah, And uh, she was just getting hit the whole time we were there. She just

felt sick, you know, she was miserable. Yeah, she just did not mean to be there at all. And then, uh, we had a dog with us, a German shepherd, and it was freaked out. It wouldn't get out of the truck. It was acting skittish and I can't remember who it was, but one of us wasn't me. One of us went to check on the dog or get something out of the truck, and the window was down and I mean that dog jumped on him and bit him right in the face. I mean, that's how wound up this dog was,

and just totally out of character for this dog. And yeah, yeah, after that happened, you know, we decide, well, I think we better go something. Something ain't right, something ain't right at all. But yeah, I heard all kind of stories about that area and just grace Mont in general. Yeah I've got I mean, I said, I've got I've got several stories that I didn't even I've got like shee stories. I polic to go ahead and tell you you're talking about, you know, duck.

And then so this was back in eighty six. How long ago was I remember the I remember the date, and I remember the year. It was December twenty nine, and and my sister and her husband was living with us at the time, and so you know, it was a weekend. We were bored, We're out out of school. And so I was like, hey, you want to you wanna go get John, which is our cousin and next door neighbor, and I want to go into the woods. It was about eleven o'clock and I said, sure, you know, why

not, you know, we're not doing anything else. And I said, this was back in the eighties, so you know, we didn't we didn't have cable TV. We had antenna. So yeah, so we so we're getting to go over there and get them, and we'd go be bopping in the woods, and like I said, once you get over that hill,

there's a fence. And so my brother and my cousin in the daytime, had one follow him back in the woods when they were hunting, and it stopped that at that fence line, and then it didn't follow on any further. So we go in. We had just went and got a Christmas tree a couple of weeks. My mom wanted a real Christmas tree, and so we didn't want to drag across the field. So like cousin John laid down and rolled all the way down the hill and make a little trail for us

to pull the tree through. So so we went into the woods and it was moonlight and we could see something standing off in the distance, and we had all we had was binoculars. So we told him, you know, we give him choice. You can either go with us, go with one of us to go down there see what it is, or you can stand up here and tell us which way to go, you know, left right,

you know, it moved. He said, I'll stay here. You know, he was scared, and I said, okay, So my brother in law I went and started walking down there, and we're kind of talking real low, and we're walking towards where you know, I thought it was gonna be. And so we turned around to yell him, said, okay, which way did we go? And he's standing right behind us, so we don't know, you know, exactly where it goes. So we'd go where we think it was, and nothing there. So we start walking back,

well back into our left in the tree line. You could hear footsteps like when we were walking. It was walking. But then we just used the sign, you know, to make us, you know, just just stop walking, a hand signal. And so when it we'd walk and we do that, we'd stop it and we take an extra step. We'd walk a little further, we do the hand sign and we stop it, take an extra step, but it stops. And it did that. It followed us all the way up to the tree line, which is probably about sixty

yards. We were sixty yards into the tree, into the you know, tree line, and so we got to the fence, and so we crossed it and then we went down like we were going back to the house, and then we doubled back, came up that little trail that he bade us, you know, to get the Christmas tree there, and then we came

around that other tree line. And what we did was we caught two juveniles in the tree line and they were they probably weren't not even six foot tall, because there was two levels and they were going from tree like almost like cover like you know, cover me, cover cover one, cover two, and they were going from tree to tree, and they were they hide behind the tree, and so they got they got close enough. I mean, I got the binoculars out and I could see one that was kind of squatting

behind a tree. I was so close and it was so clear. I could see it's but cheeks, that's all I could see. I couldn't see it till but I see it's butt sticking out from behind a tree. And they got they got within forty thirty forty yards of us, and so we were and then we're kind of throwing things into the tree line, and then it just occurred to me and I looked at my brother and I said,

hey, if those are the babies, where's mom and dad? Yeah, and he looked at me and they were like, okay, I think it's time to go. Let's go, ye know, And so we left. That was just that was just a couple of the fence lines up from my house. So yeah, so we yeah, we can't. We came back home and we were kind of freaked out, and you know, we're like, well, I can't go to sleep now. But but I mean nothing,

you know, nothing, nothing ever became of it. But they were coming closer and they're going they were going from treating tree and there was two of them, and I could I could see the silhouette of one barely, but that one got so close that when it squad behind that tree, I could, you know, I've seen that. But and yeah, and so that was that was I've only seen him like that that then, uh and

in the tree line. And then we had you know, back in two thousand and one that you know, the rash of big foot sightings around here. Yeah, and so and so this gentleman, I don't know if I shouldn't say his name, I was calling Doug. He I guess he had a friend in the BFR oh and there he was from up around Tulsa. Yeah, and so his his buddy came down. I set up on the on the travel dance round of stuff and had his cameras and his little uh, his wires, trip wires, set up everything, and I felt bad

for him. He's struggling. He's like, I'm not getting anything. And so finally I said, can I trust him? And I was like, yeah, I think you can trust him. Yeah, you can trust him. I said, you think, or can I He goes you can, and so I went to talk to him. I saif, like, dude, I said, I can take you somewhere where you'll get some activity. I said, but you gotta you can't tell anybody where this place is. He's like okay, and he goes, what I need to take us?

Whatever you want to take your camera whatever. So all he brought was a camera, and so I took him to this place where we've had a lot of activity. I mean I took I took some friends ends up there in a jeep and we backed up and you know, we were getting hammered by cans and whatever they could find, and so we left. So the next night we came back and to get to up to that road to go. It wasn't really a road, but it was, and it was an old

road but had been used and forever. And when we got there there was saw machines, big eight foot ladders, just all kinds of things in the middle of that road all the way around that curves like keep out, and so I would go move that stuff. When we went and I can't remember what happened. Something freaked him out. He took off, he hit that saw machine. It went up and his his fender, but he kept going

and didn't stop until he got down to the highway. And I had to try that thing out and they would they wouldn't go back again, but anyway, so I took him to the spot and parked in the same place, and we got the same reaction. There was we could we counted probably maybe you know, five or six. We could hear a movement on every side, but we we backed up, backed up to where nothing come in from behind us. So you know, to the front and to the left and

the right, we heard all kinds of movements. And so he'd video and then he'd watch it on his little screen. If he didn't see anything that he'd be again. And uh so, you know, he he got you know, he got his feel of activity because he he was starting to get freaked out a little bit because they were getting close. And so we left and it was it was going on daylight. Because I told him, I said, it's getting it's about to be daylight. And I said they're gonna

they're gonna disappear. And I said, said we might as well go. And so because he started to get all of this equipment together, and so it was like two days later, I got a I got a phone call. He said, I'm I'm I'm gonna send you this. Uh it's gonna be on a CD. He said, it's a footage. He said, I got pictures. He said, well, sure, you just have to see it. He's I can't really tell you at it, but when you

when you look at it, he said, calling me back. And so I looked at it, and what it was was he got you know, like I said, they were all around us, but he was videoing to his probably his two o'clock and you can see, I mean you all you can see with the trees, you can see a little bit light, you know, behind it to make out that there were trees and so, but he said, watch this one he goes. You'll see what I'm talking about. You'll see he'll move a branch. And so I'm watching and you can

see this. You see this hand come up and move a branch. And he's standing almost right in front of us. I mean, he's probably about tween about fifteen yards off, but he's standing there, but you don't see him until he reaches up and moves that branch. And and so Doug and I went back to the place where a parked and yeah, looked at it. He had to be at least nine foot tall. Wow, and yeah.

And once once he moved, once he moved, you could see the protrudion he had, you know, the the grilla cap or whatever you want to call it. Once, once he moved, you could make him out. If he didn't move, we would in their song. And so he did a temperature corps. I think his temperature was one hundred and nineteen degrees. And once he did a heat. Once he did the heat, put the heat on there. You know that you could see him in the tree line. And so that became his big uh. He was going to do

his own website. He left the bfr O and that was that was his That's why he's building his website and everything around. I lost contract with us though, I don't know, but he told me at one time, he goes, yeah, he goes. I was at the show in Texas. He said, this guy came up, like five thousand dollars on the table and said, oh you gotta do is whisper in my ear? Where that place was? He said, I didn't tell him as well. I said, he hasn't had access to it anyway, so it'd be hard for him

that to get there anyway. And so but yeah, it was, it was, it was big, and I said, if he wanted moved, we went. We were never saw him, but once he moved, then you could see him and make it out. That was only what he got. But you know, he he did record and he could hear a little bit of vocalization, you know, grunts, and you could hear things hitting the jeep, you know. But other than that, that was that was

all I got about. I mean, that was enough for him. But he h yeah, and yeah, he so he was he was happy with that. I mean, he was a static. So I don't know, I guess he never saw one that he says he's never saw one that big. I said me either, I said I didn't. I didn't know they got that big here. I you know eight maybe this guy was not about over night foot tall. He was huge. Did you know anybody that saw the casino video? I it's it's it's like Bigfoot himself. It's a miss.

I've never I've never I've heard it exists, but I've never talked to you. I'm personally that's seen it. And if it does exist, I'm sure it's gonna get leaked sooner or later. And if it doesn't exist, I hope it does because I would like to see it too. Now they've got it all cut and mowed around with a dumpster is and they got lights

on the dumpster and it's right off the parking lot. Now it's used to be kind of towards a tree line and obscure, but now it's like it's like they got lights on it and they take the trash and it's around the edge of the parking lot anymore. So, have you heard anything recent from the casino? The most recent was probably about a year ago. They were making the workers when you go in, there's a big, huge parking lot. I guess that you got for like semis and stuff. And they were

and along got tree line. I mean the tree lines probably about ten fifteen feet off from the parking lot, but I say tree line. But they were making their employees park along that, and so they'd have to walk out of the casino, walk into that big parking lot and go to their car. And a couple of workers got whistled at, you know, from the tree line, and they're like, what whistles? You know what whistles at night? What whistles sell them? Harryman, bigfoot whistles. Yeah. OK,

So that so that freaked them out. So now they don't make them park over anymore. They parked in the back parking lot or maybe on the side over there, but hardly anybody parks on that side over there. And Karry and I went and set out there, but we didn't get anything.

The thing about the casino that always got me. I mean I talked to enough people that like, yeah, it happened for sure, and other stuff has happened, but like if you just drive up on the casino and look at it, you're like, nah, there's there's no way that happened here. I mean, it doesn't look like there's any way for them to be like really in cover or anything. But that's just how it is out there.

Yea. Yeah, And you know, you know this from what I understand who was telling me about Oh it was on Mike's page where he said that, you know, the I'm not gonna make names, but the gentleman that started the BFRO says that you know, big Foot can't exist and is not here in Oklahoma, not in Southwest Oklahoma. I mean, is in Oklahoma, but if he is, he's down you know, southeast right or over that way. There's no way that he's he's in the southwest because there's

no no covering now. But I mean there's so many there's so many witnesses and you know, so many stories. I mean, I hear more here than I do down down in the south southeast. I mean, that's what I've tried to you know, I don't just go around talking about it all the time. Obviously I talk about it on the show sometimes, you know, obviously with Kurt and with you. But this part of Oklahoma, I mean, it's just commonplace everybody's seen it or know somebody that's seen it,

and you just stories come out of there constantly. Oh yeah, and well and with with Native Americans, you know, Native Americans don't always share the stories, but they do with other Native Americans, or if they do and you're and you're non Native, then they trust you, right. So, but yeah, but I mean, I guess I've heard I've heard so many stories uh where I grew up about you know, him being on top of

the heall watching the cattle, or him watching the kids play basketball. Uh. You know, there's the two ponds that are pretty close to my house and he's been seeing in both of them. You know I people have seen

them, you know, in both of them. Uh yeah. So I said to me, it's weird to not have stories because, like I said, I mean, you know, my dogs were when I was little, I had always had you know, dogs, and they would always bark over to the to the uh southwest or south I'm sorry southeast part of the yard, and it was like something was playing with them because they barked and they go towards it, and then they'd run from it and they got bark and

they like go towards it, and then they'd run from it. You know. It was like I don't know if they were playing with it or if they were, you know, wanting it. But my dogs are you know, pretty smart. They wouldn't get into the you know, out of the yard. They would just stay right there. And because my Dad's looked, look what are they playing with? And I'm like, you know, I'm a little I'm like, I don't know. He yes, m I wonder what they're playing with? You know. Uh, well, I did have

one story I didn't experience. My brother passed it on down to me. But we're up around the house. Is it used to be an older house that they lived then before I was born. And my brother said his bedroom was on the end of the on the south end of the house. Then he said, one night he was laying a bed and on the side on the south side of the house, it was like boo boo, boo boom on the wall. He said, shook the out house and shook his room. And he said, he said, man, he said, I got,

I got. I crawled out of the bed and I crawled all the ways down the hallway to to mom and Dad's room and he said, I knocked on the door, and he said, my dad's what. He goes, something just hit the house, and he goes, what, you know, something just hit the hit my bedroom and something hit the side of the house. And I think my brother said, he's like thirteen, And my dad said, all right. He said, I heard my dad get up.

He came out the bid room and had his slippers on and his robe, and so he walked past him and went out the door, and he said here. I'm saying, hey, get out here, leave us alone. We're not bothering. You, don't bother us. Get out here. He was alone, and he was like, then he walked back in there. He goes, okay, son, go back to bed, you know, walked in his room and shut the door, and and my brother's like, he's like, hey, no, he said, I slept up there

my mom and Dad's door. You know. He said, I want to go back. I want to go back there, you know, and that you know, But like I said, i I've got so many story my sisters seeing him once she was on a walk, like I said, let's get outside of that fence, and you know, it seemed like you're in, You're in his territory and my niece I had. I've got two nieces and one night they plopped up my house it's probably been about five years ago, four years ago, and said, hey, we want to go look

for Harrymans. When we don't have to go too far. I said, let's go back here. And went back there and and there was one behind the tree. It wouldn't come out from behind the tree. It was there was a tree, and so I was up close and I was trying to get, you know, see if it would come off one side the other. And then while I was there, they were laying kind of flat in that field and they were getting hit with rocks. I kept heard all I said, what some from rocks that as I said, well you know what

it is. Yeah, but he's accurate, said, of course he's accurate. And so then we got up back to the tree line, got up side of the fence and and then we could hear him moving and they would heard one start sneezing like it sounded like a small one, and he had it's you can't have. My niece is funny back because she'll tell you about it. I heard, because sneeze and he's just starts sneezing, and then you hear him. It's like something picked him up and cure him away like

you here. And so that that was enough for them. So we came back home. But I gotta let me tell you how clever they are. Okay, So I moved back home and I found it him ushing over here on the on the yard where two were laying, but it looked like their legs were interlocked. But they were laying off this hill that's behind my house. Was my cousins wasn't living here, and I wasn't living here, so

neither of these houses were occupied. So I'm moving back out here. So I went to Walmart, got a got a bag of trail mix, the salt and sweet, the sweet and so sweet and salty. Uh. And so I got two bags that that trail mix, and I left them in the Walmart bags. I tied the handles, and I got kim lights, and I tied the kim lights of the handles. So I thought, I'm gonna be smart. I'm gonna take them out there and set it on that fence, on that you know, the fence that they they come up to

you. And so I broke the kim lights. I set one on one pole, you know, put put the trash bag around the loops around that pole, and I went about ten poles down put another one on that. I had two of them. So I walked back it's probably three hundred two hundred yards back to my house and got up in the elm tree because you know, it was it was fall. There was no no leaves, and so I got up in that tree and set there for about two hours and

just watching, you know, watching those kimlights. I see it on the skin lights go into the woods. So I say out. There was going on midnight, and I thought, I'm getting tired. I'm gonna go get those bags and move on closer to the house and just go my bedroom. Watched for the window, and so I got going and I got closer to the fence line. I looked, those bags are kind of like blowing in the wind a little bit. And I looked, and the bags are empty.

What they did was poked a hole on the bottom of the bag and pulled the trail mix out, left the bag and then kim light hanging on the fence. What yes, And I said, I said, knowing me they've probably done that when I was walking away, went to set the tree line. So look at them sitting up that tree watching for us, and we just said, there eating that trail mix. You know what it's done. Yeah. I went back to I went back to go mo those trails, those bags, and the trail mix is gone. And I had the

bag for a long time. I don't know what happened to it, but you can see like the hole that like the I the finger that they used to poke the hole was was probably like three of my thumbs put together. Wow. Yeah, I just poked a hole in it, pulled the trail mix out lets the bag's hand, I said. And that's always tell people, I said, you know, because they always say, how come you down and see it? How come we down? Yeah? I said, Well, something smart enough to poke holes in a plastic bag and pull the

food out the lea the bags there, they're they're not that dumb. They're not you know, they're not stupid. I had a lady, I heard a lady that is you know that that g town's coming into play again. She lived there and she would feed them. She would put food out in this tree. So it's kind of a dead tree and she would put food out there native Native American, and I had heard she had a polaroid of

them at that tree. So it's a blurry polaroid, but they said, you can make it out, you know, silhouettes at that tree, but furry silhouettes. But but she would put food out there, and if they came and there wouldn't hey food, they would knock on her back door, and she's like, all right, And she said when she'd opened the door, they wouldn't be anything there, and says, so she would go and

get the food and go take it. Putting the tree. She said, wait sometimes, but they would never come while I'm looking, she says, so I'd have to go and start doing something else, or clean the house, or shut the door and go do something else. She said, then and I opened the door and go out there and looked at food to be

gone. They'd be gone. And so she moved and she moved to Beinger and she said it took him about a year, I want to say, about a year for them to find her and knock on her back door at being here. So they wanted food. She's she's she's tad. And I asked some of the family you know, if they knew the polaroids and stuff, and they're like, I don't know, I don't know what happened to it. If it you know, if it was there, I don't know,

you know who she left it too or where she left it? One last question before we cut out of here, and I want to have you back again for sure. I know you got more stories. Do you hear any stories about people seeing dog men or whatever you want to call them. I've heard, I've heard stories, and I've that's kind of what I'm kind of thinking as buying for his territory out here. I'm kind of thinking that

it's a might be dog men that are coming. That's why he's you know, because for a long time we used to have raccoons, possums, armadalas you know, we had all of them out here as kunks, and for I want to say, good seven eight years we've not had anything like that. And Mike, I have a cousin that goes back into those woods and hunts. And he put it on Facebook. He had a picture of a possum head and he said, what animal will eat a possum but leave the

head? It was just a head there and so everybody started chiming in, you know, well probably big Foot, and He's like, no, they don't exist, you know, But I've heard stories of dog Man. I've heard not very many around here, but you know, towards the back, towards the south and the west and out east, they have some. But but so yeah, now I've I've heard stories. I can't say that I've

ever seen one. But like I said, that that vocalization that I got that one night, I just happened at my windows up and I told Curt about it, and I said, I want to record it, and so it just happened. A couple of nights later, I heard that same vocalization and nothing answers it. It's you know because once the kyo starts, all the kyots you went in, but the dog start barking, and yeah, and this is just a h if I can't I might be able to send it to you later. But it's just a I heard it. I think

Kurt put it. Someone had a similar recording on TikTok because they said what is us? And they put on TikTok because I think Kurt said it to me, and I said, that's almost the same vocalization I heard. And then I had a lady that lives out over by Lakiba and she said she she had that same almost that same vocalization and she don't know what it is either, and she recorded it. So and one night, you know, my cousins had two dogs, and one night I heard the dog barking,

and I can hear two dogs barking. And so when I saw her, I think it was a day the next day o the day after that, we were talking and she asked me, she goes, did you hear my dog's barking? I said yes, She goes, you know what it was so weird? I said, what she was? It was only one dog out of the yard and I said what shes Yeah, shes the other dogs inside. She said, but I heard the other dog barking, and I

said yeah. I said it was close to my house. I said, I thought maybe Harry might be walking, you know by, and she goes, no, she goes, we don't have one dog out there and there's two dogs barking. She said, I didn't even go out there. And look, she said, you know, opened a door and called the other dog again. She said, I slept it alone. And I said, yeah, I heard the other dog. I said, so, yeah, and so, but I don't know if she still has the dogs, not

because I haven't heard him. But like I said, it's been I'm saying it now. It's been quiet. But yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting. And that's what my family was asked me. How how do you live out there by yourself? I'm by myself right now, you know, because it's just you know, everything that happens around there. Sis, I got

protection, you know, I'm protection. It's just I said. Plus, you know, they if they've been around as long as I think they have, then they know that you know, there's no harm coming out of here. They may just you know, passing through or you know, because they used to. I've got a peach tree and behind my house and if we didn't get the peaches off, they come and get them. Yeah. I've heard lots of stories like that about how people have like a fruit tree of

some kind and they're waiting. It's just about time to pick the fruit. You know, everything's just about ripe, and like the day or two before they're going to take all the fruit, they go out there and it's just all gone, just disappeared overnight. That's that's what happened. We, like I said, I was married. She is from the city, she's part Native and my sakend X my saken EXE, and so he moved out here with me. And so one night we're getting ready to go to bed,

she says, I'm gonna go out. I didn't smoke at the time. I said, you know, I smoke my stoies. But and so she went out to the back porch and then not even four minutes later, she comes run back in until stevens something out there. I said, behind the house. She goes, yeah, I like, that's just is that Harry Man? And I said, well, yeah, he's probably checking you out, seeing hey, who's the new person here? And so she goes, well, I said, you can smoke on the front porch the back porch.

You never whichever's you know, you feel better, and she she started smoking off the front porch. But anyway, so yeah, so we went out that one day. We were looking at the peaches and I said, man, we got a lot of peaches this year, and she's, yeah, she was, I guess we can, you know, have the kids pick on them. That'll be something fun for them to do, and you know, maybe we'll get I said, we'll give them away, you know, because we're not gonna eat them on people can make stuffs out or whatever.

And we're sitting out there talking. We come back in the house and we'll get ready to go out and you know, get the bags ready, and we go out there and all the peaches are gone off the tree. Even the ones that were on the ground that the grasshoppers reading are gone. You know, even the ones that fell on the ground that were half eight or bugs are eating. Yeah, they were gone too. So I mean it was just like just a clean pick. That's so weird. Yeah,

that's why. She looked at me and she was who came and got our peaches? And I looked that really all of them, And I said, he may have a big clan. I said, we got a big plan. He may have a big clan. She goes, he took all of our peaches, and I said, yes, they got to eat. Well, man, I've enjoyed it. And like I said, I definitely want to have you back. I know you got more stories, and you know,

I got other things I want to ask you about for sure. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean said, yeah, probably haven't touched on a lot of you know, a lot of my stories. Yeah, I've got I've got tons of experiences and stories, and yeah, I said, we could even get into a little bit of paranormal if you wanted to. But uh, yeah, it's it's it's it's interesting. And if you've had an encounter with the Harryman, send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot

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