I started getting this feeling of something wasn't right. It just didn't at the whole. There was just it didn't feel right that day, and I kept getting something kind of repeating my mind, you know, you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. So I get to the peak of the mountain and it stopped for a minute, just to try to take it all in. And the first thing I noticed was just how quiet it was. It was incredibly i mean just dead silent, and it creaked me out even more.
I'd say maybe twenty yards off to my left, where the tree line was, I heard some knocks. It sounded like it should have been just inside the tree line, like I should have seen whatever it was knocking, but I didn't see anything. Just feeling. It's still kind of lingering that it just something doesn't seem right. Another round of those knocks hit. It hit me a little bit harder. It made me really kind of think, like something's not something's not right here, something's going on. I don't I
don't understand this, but something's just not right. All of a sudden, something started running just inside the tree line. I'd say maybe five feet if I'm guessing inside the tree line, and I watched it run twenty five thirty yards or so and then down the mountain. It was definitely upright. It was running so fast that I couldn't see any details. I didn't see any fingers or a face or nose. It's super fascinating this thing had been running
again. It's hard to guess, but I'm gonna get thirty miles an hour all day. There's no way he was a human doing that. That was probably anything that scared me the absolutely most was a speed of it. I'd like to welcome Ryan to the show. Ryan, Welcome to big Foot Crossroads. Man. How's it going? Hey, man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Yeah, for sure. If you don't mind, just tell me a little bit about yourself. Uh sure. I'm forty years
old. I'm from upstate New York, a wife and a kid. I work at a community college, and I guess that's the easiest simple version of me. So you reached out to me, not trying to come on the show or anything like that, but just looking to see if I knew anybody in your area that goes out looking for Bigfoot. Yes, and uh, you know, after we got to talk in a little bit. You kind of told me your story, and of course I wanted to have you on you know, I think, sure, I think it's a really good encounter.
Was Bigfoot something that was even on your radar before this happened? Yes, and no, I had interesting it. I watched Finding big Foot, and I always kind of felt like it was it was very possible that it was real, but it wasn't something I was out searching for a really believed in. But yeah, I had I had a slight interest in it. I guess, well, if you don't mind, just kind of, you know, walk us through that day and uh, tell me what happened.
Sure, this was in May of twenty eighteen. It was late May. I guess I should say. I'm an internance athlete. So I was a big runner, and then I got into triathon for about eight years, and then I turned to ultra marathons. And for anybody not familiar with that, it's uh, technically anything to find is it's to find anything longer than a
marathon. So twenty six point three miles and longer would technically be an ultra marathon, but they're typically thirty fifty, sixty hundred mile races, and they're they're typically trail races, and I was specifically training for fifty mile race, the same race all three years. So as you can imagine, I spent
a lot of time in the woods by myself, running on trails. It's very difficult to get anybody to run with you that far, not that I would do it in training, but just to get those longer days, and it would be very difficult to get anyway, So I spent a lot of time by myself in the woods. At the time, my girlfriend was living in Albany, and because of the nature of my job, I have a
lot of free time in the summertime. So I would often take a week, maybe two weeks sometimes and head up to Albany and just kind of live with her for the week. And she would have worked during the day,
of course, and I wouldn't have anything to do. So I could drive about forty five minutes north or south and I could either be in the Lake George at a roundeck area, or I could be down in the Cats Skills, and so I would oftentimes just flip a coin randomly choose which way I wanted to go, and head down to one of the mountains or up to one of the mountains and do some training for the day. So I just this day, I decided to drive down to Hunter Mountain down in the Catskill
Mountains. There's two trails basically to the peak of that mountain, and one is very touristy, and I chose the opposite one. It was the back side of the mountain, which was shorter but a lot steeper, which is not really relevant to the story, but anyways, I chose the backside, and so I started my day. I drove down there. This would have been early in the morning. So I got to the parking lot probably nine thirty in the morning. There was only one other car there, and I
started heading up the mountain. And I had gotten about three quarters of the way up the mountain and I saw a guy coming down with his dog. He was coming down the mountain and he was a younger guy mountain maybe maybe college age. And we passed each other and I said hello, and he was kind of nodded, and I went on my way and he went on
his way. And it was about I don't know, maybe five ten minutes after that, I started getting this, Well, it's I guess now I'm learning it's a typical feeling amongst these encounters, But at the time I had no idea. I started getting this this feeling of everyone always calls it dread. I don't know if that's the most accurate word, but we'll just call it dread. I guess just a feeling of something wasn't right. It just
didn't at the whole. There was just it didn't feel right that day, and I kept getting something kind of repeating in my mind, you know, you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. But I'm an idiot and I'm stubborn, and I had driven all that way just to get some training in, so I wasn't going to turn around go home. So I kept
going anyways, and a feeling continued on. I had maybe another quarter mile to the peak of the mountain, and I get to the peak of the mountain and I stopped, and I I was using an app called All Trails that day. I'm sure probably most Peuple was familiar with that. And yeah, that trail, you know, went right off, and then it came
to at the peak. It just came to a tea and the idea was I was going to take it right at the tea, and then there was a little rich trail that went maybe another quarter a half mile, and it came to a big open area where there was a little ranger cabin and a fire tower, and I planned on going up to the fire tower heads the top, takes some pictures, whatever, whatever. So I get to the peak of the mountain and it stopped for a minute, just to try to
take it all in. And the first thing I noticed was, well, it was this very typical I'm learning again, but just how quiet it was. It was incredibly I mean just dead silent. I couldn't hear anything. You couldn't hear the wind, you couldn't hear the normal chipmunks, and anybody that knows anything about the trails in the Northeast and probably everywhere, but you never don't hear chipmunks. You're always gonna hear at least that squirrels. Whatever.
Well, I didn't hear anything, and it creeped me out even more. But again I didn't have any reference or knowledge of anything big Foot related, or that this would be something to do with that, or really anything. I just kind of kept feeling something was wrong, But I really couldn't pinpoint it, and whatever I was, I was there doing it, so
I just kept going. So I take a right on that that tea trail, if you will, and I'm going down another quarter half mile whatever, and I get to that opening area, take another right to the opening areas and I'm what two rights in, so it's three sides to a square basically. And I actually I didn't know until I had gotten there that there was
that cabin, that ranger cabinet. So I saw on the outside of the cabin that there was a map, and I was like, you know that this would be a great opportunity to look at the map and compare it to the all Trails app that I was using, and just kind of make sure the map that I'm using is accurate correct, just so I don't get lost
that day. So I'm standing there and I'm comparing the map on my phone to the map that's on the wall, and off to my left, I'm not great with distances, if I'm being honest, but I'd say maybe twenty yards twenty five yards something like that. Off to my left where the tree line was, I heard some knocks, which, of course, now I know a three knocks, but obviously I didn't know then, and but they were, they were very loud. It wasn't it wasn't something that was off
in the distance. It was something that was very much how do I say, as if I should have seen it, It sounded like I should have been just inside the tree line, like I should have seen whatever was knocking, But I didn't see anything. But I did see there was a sign on one of the trees there that set out house, and you could you could kind of see a little opening there, but you couldn't actually see that
house. And so my first thought was, Okay, it must be it must be a ranger or something fixing something over there, because it almost resembled maybe bending down picking up a board, putting two or three nails in, knocking the nails in, and then bending down again picking up a board and repeating that process. Because it knocks would happen maybe two or three times,
and then it would pause and it would happen again. So it did resemble something like a ring you're fixing something on the house or something like that. In retrospect, I don't think that's the case at all, for numerous reasons, but that's what I thought in the moment. So, like I said, these knocks are very very loud. They're right there, but I just can't see what's going on. So anyways, this feeling is still kind of
lingering that it just something doesn't seem right. But I turn around and I go to the fire tower, and again it was the plan was to climb in and take some pictures. And I got about halfway up the ladder and realized I'm a cisy and I'm scared of heights. So is that's scared of that? And I turned around and I started going back down. I get to the bottom of the stairs and another round of those knocks hit. And I don't know what it was about this last round, but it hit me
a little bit harder. It made me really kind of think, like something's not something's not right here, something's going on. I don't I don't understand this, but something's just not right here. Were they coming from the same location as before, same location the whole time, yep, yep? And so I just kind of stopped paralyzed, and I stand there and I'm just kind of staring at that direction, and the knocks had stopped, and I mean, you know, how these situations work. I don't really have a
great reference for time here. I want to say it was maybe twenty thirty seconds, but who know, it's could have been sure, it could have been longer. But about twenty thirty seconds, I stand there and I'm staring at that spot, and all of a sudden, something from that area, that general area started running just inside the tree line. I'd say maybe five
feet if I'm guessing, inside the tree line. And it ran with the parallel with the tree line, so it ran I don't know, perpendicular to my vision, if you will, if that makes sense, And it ran inside the tree line, and I watched it run twenty five thirty yards or so and then down the mountain. And that's what really scared the shit out of me. If I'm being honest, it wasn't wasn't huge, I would say, I mean, something running that fast just inside the tree line,
I'm already standing there kind of scared. I'll be honest. It's very hard to judge the exact height, you know what I mean, But I was I've always guessed about six and a half feet six and a half to seven feet tall. It was definitely upright and I could tell the color was head to toe, that classic kind of light brown to brown color. And I'll be honest, it was running so fast that I couldn't see any details. I didn't see any fingers or a face or nose or anything like that.
But I know what I did see. I know, I know the approximate height. I definitely know it was upright, and I definitely know was its super fast meant this thing had to been running again. It's hard to guess, but I'm mean to guess thirty miles an hour all day. Wow, no joke. I mean, I could be off, but about that twenty five definitely fastening human could run. I mean, if anybody has a good opinion on how fast humans can run, I would say it would be you.
You, you would have a good idea. Well, I mean, that's very kind of you, and I appreciate that, and I sure I'll agree just because it's very kind of you. But you know what I mean, it's it's it's one of those situations where you're very I'm already nervous, I'm already thinking something's wrong. It's it's it's it's just it's tough to change, you know what I mean, but it was definitely. What I could tell you with one hundred percent certainty was it was definitely faster than human can
run. There's no way it was a human doing that. And and I'll be honest again, that was that was probably the thing that scared me the absolute most. Was a speed of it. You know, the size was within a large human range, although the bulk of it was pretty bulky. I don't I don't think someone someone would be that that big physically, But it was a speed that really got me because this thing was this thing was moving and he was moving inside the tree line. It wasn't even an open
field or anything like that, you know what I mean. So so that point, I just kind of stand there and I'm in literal shock. I'm in that classic paralyzed state where I just I'm just kind of staring at the last spot that I saw it, and I don't know what to do. I don't, I'm not really I don't know what happened to me. It
was just very confusing. And I stood there again for maybe into the twenty thirty seconds before my brain just kind of snapped out of it, and it was kind of like, what the hell was that run, and I ended up taking off running the opposite direction, and oddly, I don't I have no idea why I decided to do this, but I actually ended up finishing my run that day. You know, the feeling of nervousness originally is not
going to keep me off the mountain. I'm too dumb for that. But seeing what I saw, I would think would get me off that mountain real quick, but it didn't. I don't know. I ended up finishing that day, and oddly, that feeling after whatever ran ran by and ran down the mountain that's dealing within ten fifteen minutes, kind of just went away,
and the mountain became very became very peaceful. I didn't have any issues of nervousness, which it doesn't make any sense even to me, and I have no idea why I reacted like that or did that, but that's that's what happened. I finished my run that day, and I encountered I think that one yeah, that one guy. He was the only person in the mountain,
so it was the mountain was dead that day. I don't know if any of your listeners know anything about, you know, the catskills in May, but it can still be at sixty five at the base and fifty five at the peak, and there was still a little bit of snow and ice. So it's a very touristy mountain. A lot of people from the city come up and hit up that mountain, and that's not the time of year that they're there, so I was definitely there in an off peak time of
the year. So there was just me and that one other guy that I mean, I didn't even hear anybody that day, so I guess it would make sense if something was going to be around, it would be around at that point. But I had no experience with any of that, so I didn't know any of that, and I had no idea what I was doing. So yeah, that was that was basically the encounter. And I assume whenever you got back to your car, there wasn't any other cars in the
parking lot or anything like that. No, that car was gone. I assumed the only car that was there was that guy that I had originally saw coming down the mountain as I went up, and when I got back, now there was not a single other car there. It's just me by myself. If we could go back to the moment whenever you saw it and it took off running again. You were up there training, you're a runner. What kind of comparison would you make, like, how was the gate of
its running versus that of a human? Well, that's I guess that's a two party answer for me, the first one being if I'm being honest, like I said, I couldn't see I couldn't really see any detail. I don't I don't even want to say this, but the truth is, it was almost like seeing a blob squatch on on a photo, but seeing a live one running, not in a photo, if that makes any sense. It was I don't want to say. I don't want to say it was
blurry, because that's not true. It was definitely a little bit more detail than that. But I couldn't I could. I guess I couldn't necessarily tell the game. But what I can say is one of the things that I noticed is, and I've now heard a lot of people say this, it looked like it was floating. I mean it's head. I could see movement down below where its legs would be, but its head looked perfectly flat and parallel to the ground the entire time, as if it was on a skateboard
almost. I guess that would be a great comparison. I guess like it would be on a skateboard. You could see like the legs moving, but the head just did not bop up and down like a human being at all. No balance to it, not at all, nothing. I mean, just perfectly flat the whole time. And it wasn't running downhill originally when it for maybe twenty yards, it was flat in this section, and then it started running downhill. But I can only see it when it got out of
sight. From when the downhill started to when it got out of sight would have been maybe ten yards. It wasn't very far, and at that speed as it was running, it was a second or two then I saw him going downhill, you know what I mean? Yeah, And you didn't notice any change in the movement or anything whenever it started going downhill. No,
I can't say I did, if I'm being honest. I'm just I'm just thinking in my head, you know, picturing like whenever a person runs downhill, let alone in the woods on the side of a mountain, they start doing that kind of stuttering shuffling step and their arms go out to kind of balance themselves, you know, and they're looking down at the ground, and it's very clumsy in appearance. Did you notice anything like that or did it just maintain a kind of a fluid motion as it ran. Well, it's
funny you say that. I never thought about that. I've had a long time to think about this, and believe me, I thought about a lot. I never thought about that. And the answer is no, No, it did not have that. You're right. I guess when someone starts to start run downhill, they you know, they're on their heels and they slow it down a bit. You know, this thing maintained that that speed at a constant No, it didn't. I didn't see any arms flailing. It
looked exactly like it looked. What was on the flat section? Wow? Yeah? Could you? I mean, obviously it was covered in hair. Any idea how long the hair was just a guess. No, if I'm being honest, I would love to tell you something funny here, But no, if I'm being honest, I couldn't tell that. No. I prefer that answer. I much more prefer whenever people just say you know what,
I don't know, as opposed to making up an answer. You know, or yeah, trying to add detail that they didn't have any sounds or smells that you can associate with it. There was never a smell, and I can't believe I forgot to mention that. But that was one of another interesting thing. When this thing ran, there was no sound. I've now heard this before in many accounts, and a lot of people do hear it,
to hear the footsteps, and I guess some people don't. But for me, I didn't hear any sound at all, Like even when it was running through the tree area, there was no sound. And it took me a long time to even look at trees after that. I didn't want I actually
quit the Sport Welsh marathons that day or after that day. You know, you go into shock and you think a certain way on that day, but then you get home that night and maybe the next morning, and it all just kind of hits you what happened, And it makes me made me realize how vulnerable I am as a as a runner out there in the woods. We're out there with no weapons, uh, you know, tiny little shorts and singlets, running around with our little water bottles. You know what I
mean? It very I mean, yeah, bigfoot aside. It could be anything. I mean, it could be a mountain lion, it could be a bear, and we are defenseless out there as trail runners, and it kind of really hit me. So I'm going too far into this. I apologize, But the point is I quit the sport. I stopped stop at the ult marathons. I still run, but I stick to the roads. Have you ever been there before? Was that like your first time to that
particular trail? Yes, I had been to them. There's a ski resort there on the ones on the opposite side that I had run up that day, so I had been there to ski before, but I had never been there on the trails, and I certainly hadn't been on that back trail though that was my first time there. For that and that feeling of dread and something not being right that you felt whenever you kind of entered the woods that day. Had you ever felt that any other time? For the most part,
no, never. There was one other time that things kind of felt weird. They had or on deck one time, and that never amounts to anything. I didn't have any sort of encounter, but I did kind of have that feeling one other time. But for the most part, no, I was always sold very comfortable in the woods by myself. I never really had that feeling it will for anything really, not even just ultra marathon or
running. I just had never really had that feeling before ever. So now that you've had all this time to process it, and I'm sure think of it obsessively as most people do whenever they've had an encounter. Yeah, I mean, what are your thoughts on what you encountered that day? I mean, what do you think was going on? Do you think it was watching you or following you? Do you think you just kind of got the drop on it? What do you think happened? Well, of course it is
just a theory. I really have no idea, but I well, you just nailed on the head. It does become an obsession. And so I I've found every big Foot podcast I could possibly find and listen to everything I can possibly listen to try to learn. And so I've heard this before and I kind of tried to make some connections, and I think it might be possible that well, it's reported anyways a lot of times that they will oftentimes follow people who are solo and or dog dogs and women seem they seem to
be attracted to. And the guy coming down looked Native American. Maybe I'm a nat a longer pony tail. I'm not saying he looked feminine in any way, shape or form, but to a big foot possibly, I don't know, but he could have looked like to a big foot of female with a dog. And I almost wonder if this thing was actually following him. And then as we passed each other, either curiosity hit for it, and it was thinking, I can't imagine big foot sees a lot of runners in
the woods, right They're gonna see a lot of hunters. They're gonna see a lot of hikers probably, but I can't imagine they see a lot of you know, skinny people with tiny shorts on water bottles hanging everywhere, running through the woods, you know what I mean. It was probably a little bit of a shock to it, possibly, and so I don't know if it was curiosity, but anyways, I was theorizing that it was possible it
was actually following him. And then as we passed each other, it decided to follow me up because I didn't have the feeling of dread until I had passed him. You know, a few minutes after five, ten minutes whatever, after I'd passed him. It wasn't until then, and in retrospect looking back too, and this could be absolutely nothing. I might just be making this up. But when we had passed each other and I'd said hello, you're I know you're very aware of this. Most people are very friendly on
the trails. You say hello there, you say hello, how's day, whatever, And he wasn't at all, And that could just be his personality, kudos, I have no idea, but he he gave me a side look almost I said hello. I was like, hey, how you doing? And he responded all he kind of gave me a side look as if he acknowledged that I said something to him, But he didn't actually say anything
back. And in retrospect, I guess it's possible that his facial expression could have been that he almost looked concerned, but but like he wasn't gonna say anything, like hey, I keep hearing something following me out, but you know, at the risk of sounding crazy, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sy anything. I'm just gonna look at you and keep walking and get the hell out of here, you know. Yeah, and again I could be totally making all this up. I have no idea, but it's just some
things that went through my mind. And and yeah, so I wonder if it was following him, and then it made the transition to following me once it saw me going up, and it followed me from there. But I didn't hear anything, you know, I could when I continue up the trail and then got to the tea and then took the right. It wasn't until I got to that cabin that I heard the first thing, which would have been those knocks. And interestingly I had and I'd realized in retrospect that how
do I say this? Where I had taken the second right to turn into that open area where the cabin was, that was basically the corner of the
woods there where I started hearing the knocks. So I guess what I'm saying is those knocks would have been within twenty feet roughly of where I had just ran, and in retrospect I saw nothing, you know, I guess after I started thinking about It's like, well, if it was a ranger, you would think you would see, you know, a side by side, a formula, some lumber you while you hear him Milwaukie talking, maybe talking to someone else a radio, you know what I mean, you think there'd
be some sort of side of a human And I had realized later on that there wasn't anything at all. These knocks seemed to be coming from just the trees and that was it. So yeah, that's what I theorized might have happened. I saw him, was following him, and then it turned around started following me instead. It's just back sulation, like you're saying, we have no way of knowing, But I think, yeah, I think that's a really strong theory that you formed, especially with the fact that the guy
had a dog with him. That would definitely be something that would grab a bigfoot's interest. And you running, I mean, you're right. I doubt they see a lot of people running through the woods and just instinctively something running is going to get something else's attention out in the wilderness. You know, running usually means something is chasing you or you're chasing after something, and it would serve something else a great deal to be aware of what was going on
if something was just running through their territory. The knocks and everything like that, you know, and again I know some people are going to be listening and think, you know, like, well, you don't know that, and you're right, we don't. But a common belief amongst researchers is that in sir territories there will be what we call a century kind of a lookout keeping guard keeping watching an area and letting the others know if there's a human
in the area. And it kind of sounds like that might be, uh, what you ran into up there. I thought that as well. Yeah, I would agree with you that it was kind of the impression I got. Yeah, I'm not really too sure why, but you're right. I felt the same way because, like I said that, the knocks were very blatant. There was no doubt it wasn't. It wasn't something that was a half mile off or three course a mile off that it was off in the
distance. It's like, well, I guess it could have been anything like I said this. It was. It was within twenty twenty five yards, I mean maybe even less. It was definitely close enough that it sounded like I should have seen somebody just inside the tree line with a hammer banging on something. And it was very well got me. It was very rhythmic too, you know. It was. It was slow in rhythmic. It was not fatt all like a woodpecker. It was just bang, bang bang.
It was just very slow and rhythmic, and then it would pause and then it would do it again. It sounded nothing like a woodpecker at all, you know. But the point being is, you're right. I had wondered that myself, that it could have been a lookout, and it was. It was clearly trying to communicate something to some one or something else. I don't know why else it would do it, and then it would just stop and then take off down the hill. And then I didn't hear a single
knock after that the rest of the day. I ended up being on the mountain for and I can only confirm this and remember this because it was on Strava. I had it on Strava that day. I was on the mountain for that day for almost five hours. I never heard a knock after that, and I ended up going down the other side of the mountain, coming back up and passing the area that I had. You know, all this happened. Let's go back down to my car. So I never heard a
knock the whole rest of the day. I never saw another person, a formulas side by side. I never saw anybody or anything else there. The knocks happened, I saw this thing run down the mountain Knox and went away. I never heard it again. No more feelings of dread or anything after that, you said, the entire feeling kind of lifted and dissipated, and everything went back to normal, like a normal day, exactly right, which
doesn't make any sense. And hearing the story, I mean, saying it all out doesn't make any sense to me, I even for myself, not even just for listeners listening to me, even for myself, I don't I don't understand that behavior. I normally, if something scares me like that, I'm done. That's it. I'm done for the day. You know. I have no idea why I even decided to continue on. And I had a great thing ended up being wonderful after that. I don't have an explanation
for that either. It was feeling lasted, you know, half hour or so, and then it ran, and the feelings ran with it, and it just kind of well, I guess it was a shock at that point. So there's still a feeling of shock, and what the hell just happened? I guess for another fifteen twenty minutes, But as I started continuing down the side the mountain, it kind of slowly lifted away, and then it
just completely went away and never felt that again. I mean, I think that's kind of maybe normal's not the right word, but a common reaction and situations like that. Whenever a person goes through shock, their brain tends to kind of compensate for that, and they just go about their normal routine,
even whenever they shouldn't, you know. Oftentimes, like take for instance, like if a person's going to the grocery store and they get into a really bad car accident before they get to the store, oftentimes they'll just be like, oh, well, I need to get to the store. I need to pick up my groceries. You know that It's just part of the process. So it might be something like that. I mean, you know, something clearly happened to cause you to quit doing something that you were passionate about
like that. Yeah, have you ever tried going back there or getting out there or anything getting back on the horse, so to speak? Not really, Like I said, there's there's other ways to do and endurance sports, right, I picked the trails, I picked the bike back up a little bit. Continue that on. I didn't go near like I said, I didn't go near trees at all. I mean, like just I didn't need
one to drive down a wooded road for quite some time. And I did go back to one hundred Mountain to that exact spot almost almost a year later on the dot. But I went very strategically. I went on, you know, in like July, when it was very touristy. I made sure it was a weekend day. I went at noon when I knew there was
going to be a ton of the opposite of what most people like. I went when there was I knew there was going to be a ton of people there, and I went with my girlfriend and we know, we went up and I checked the spot out and there was you know, a volunteer I don't know if rangers right work whatever, We'll just say that a volunteer ranger or whatever that was in the cabin there. And I asked him, I said, it was just out of curiosity. I said, have you guys
ever experienced anything weird up here? And of course he gave the typical answer, and I was very naive at this point. I thought someone would maybe be a little more honest. And I understand now that if they know something, they're typically not going to say something, you know. But I didn't know that then, so I asked him no, no, said, well, listen, I'm not crazy, I promise, I said, but here's my story. I said, this is what happened to me a year ago
here and oh, well, you know it's probably a bear. I said, Well, you know this, this thing was about six and a half feet tall. Well, yeah, bears will stand up on their hind legs, yes, and run downhill. Well, that's what I said, But do they sprint on their hind legs. Well, you know, they can run pretty fast thirty miles an hour. And I said, but on their hind legs. And when I said that, he finally was like, well, you know, I don't know. I don't know what you saw.
And he just kind of smiled and it was a no, okay, I'm not going on. That's when I learned, Okay, I'm not gonna get anywhere with this, So I answer your question. Yeah. I did go back a year later and I checked out that exact spot, and there is no, you know, the exact spot where it ran. I saw it running and there It's just was. There was no trail there at all. I didn't know if there might be how to say, it was an open
area, open clearing area. Obviously it was maintains, so they're going to cut down some trees, and I didn't know if maybe there was like a little ranger access trail kind of on the outside that maybe they used for whatever they're doing. But no, there wasn't. It was. There was no one. There was no trail or whatsoever there. It was just tree. So this thing ran through these trees without making a sound, and that makes no sense to me and baffles me, and I have no explanation for that,
But that happened. You know, it's kind of interesting. Just this past Monday, I was talking to somebody else, I was talking about I don't even know what to call it, man an encounter. I guess I can call it what you will. I was out in the woods looking for big it, and uh we were it was at nighttime. Some other stuff was going on, so we were actually at camp. We weren't technically out in the woods looking for Bigfoot at that moment, but I feel it's necessary
to mention that. And I had walked away in one direction from everybody else. I'm on a paved road and you know, the camp grounds or whatever, and I didn't have a flashlight. I had no light with me at all, and I got pretty far away from camp and I kind of it kind of dawned on me for a second, like, WHOA, you should probably, you know, get back to camp. You don't have a light or anything. And the road that I was walking back on, there's a
trail that intersects it. And on this trail I heard footfalls very rapid coming towards the road and the trail basically interested to the road, about twenty feet from where I was standing, and I thought it was a person. I mean, it sounded like a person running. I'm certainly not expecting a big foot or anything like that. And this thing, and that's all I can describe it as crosses the road running full speed, crazy fast, and it was just like boom boom, And it's across the road entirely. Now.
The road's not like a double lane road like you normally drive on. It's a camp road, you know. So it's about one and a half car width. But this thing immediately, you know, hits the other side of the road, hits the trail, it's going down the trail. I run over there, look down the trail, and I don't see anything. There's no movement, nothing, The leaves aren't even moving now. Whenever it came out of the trail at the road, I could see like the underbrush and
stuff moving as it ran by it. But whenever it was hitting the road, I didn't hear anything. And this thing, I don't know if it was just because of how fast it was moving, but all I can say is it looked like a tall about six and a half feet tall, like shadow, just a black blur, just a dark blur. I couldn't make out any details. I've even at times whenever I've talked to people, I've compared it to like how people described like a shadow person, you know,
in the paranormal world. It wasn't see through or anything, but I just couldn't see any details. And it was just like this blur running across the road and then just vanishes. I couldn't see it, I couldn't hear it or anything. And that just immediately popped in my head. Whenever you were describing what you saw that day the same sort of thing. Definitely spooky, definitely weird, for sure. I don't know how something in that large,
moving at that rate of speed can do it silently. Yeah, it's pretty coy. Just go on with your gut. Did any of it feel paranormal to you? I don't think so. I've had a couple of people bring up in the past about that original feeling that I had that well, rather whatever kept repeating in my head, you shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. They brought up the mind speak stuff that goes on with big Foot, I suppose, and I honestly I don't have an answer for that.
I wouldn't know what mind speak feels like anyways, or sounds like anyways, because I have no reference for this. But I have always leaned towards know that. I almost when I hear the people describe this mind speak, they say in a way that it sounds like it's someone or something else's voice. And I didn't necessarily feel that way. It was almost more like an tuition. Yeah, but something did keep repeating in my mind over and over.
You shouldn't be here, you shouldn't be here. But I guess I don't have any I don't know either way, But it felt more like it was my own intuition telling you this. I guess the answer question, no, except I don't know. I guess if I'm open to ideas. When you say, but when you just described the incident that you had, you use words that I haven't before that are very accurate to my scenario as well, You're right it was it was blur? Is blur is strong maybe for my
scenario. Yeah, but I guess I would lean I would lean more towards that it was a little more descriptive than blur. But yeah, I guess it was more blurred than detailed. I guess if I really think about it. I mean, yours also happened in broad daylight, and mine was in pitch darkness, so there is that. And uh, I mean I just couldn't make out in details. It just looked like, you know, a black humanoid figure that was definitely tall, the one that I saw that night.
Whatever it was also appeared very skinny, though, and you said the ears had a lot of bulk to it, or more so than a person. Correct, Yeah, whenever you were looking at it the lack of detail that you saw. Do you attribute that to just a state of mind you're in, or the speed that it was moving, or just no explanation.
Yeah, I'm open to all suggestions, but I've always attributed to the speed it well, the speed and effect that it was moving through trees, right, So I didn't see it at a constant it was it was in total, it was forty forty fifty Again I'm not very good at distance, but maybe forty fifty yards so I saw enough of it, and it's not super thick underbrush, so it's not as though, you know, I could only see from the neck up for ten yards before I went past a bunch of
trees. You know, I was able to see it forty or fifty yards.
It was just kind of sporadic as it went past trees. Yeah, but yeah, no, I mean, I've never in my mind felt like it was a paranormal experience to answer your question, but but I'm open to that, And certainly it could have been the blurryness I guess would explain something like that, So I certainly think it's possible, but I've never really thought that before I spent you know, about ten years out in the woods looking for these things, and I never had an encounter with them that I thought
was them, at least that I felt was paranormal at all. But then I've talked to people you know that I completely believe that you know claim they had a paranormal experience with these things, and that's kind of part of the mystery. It definitely adds to it. I would just say, I agree with you that believe in the paranormal part of Bigfoot. There's just too many people talking about the orbs and it's and being associated with this and that,
and there's just too much. There's too much. There's too many people talking about the same thing that seems to be very paranorver related. So I mean, I think, in my humble opinion that is not an expert and I really have no idea what how I'm talking about, But I think we're dealing with numerous things here. I'm not in the specifically flesh and blood nor specifically paranormal. I kind of think we're dealing with a little bit of both and
or a lot of bit of both. And then what direction do you go there? I have no idea, but I'm with you. I do believe in the paranormal side of this stuff. I just don't know if mine was. So you reached out to me asking if I knew anybody in the area. Does that mean that this is something that you want to pursue. Are you going out looking for these things now? Absolutely not. No. What it was was you had you had had a guy in your I'm terrible with
this. I don't remember the details. I just remember the story. But it was a guy who who became a Buddhist and right he was he was on the show and he was talking about how he interacts with him all the time because of his Buddhism, and he had mentioned that he was doing this around the Bingham to New York area, which is where I'm from. So I had reached out to ask it, honestly, if you you were willing to connect me with him so I could. I just wanted to meet the
guy, talk to him and kind of hear his stories. And you know, you go online and thank God for social media and thank God for you guys in your podcast. It really is a therapy and and I actually want to take it that oportunity. Thank you very much for what you do, because it really is such a therapy for everybody to be able to come on and talk about their their incident. I really appreciate that. It's as much
therapy for me as it is for anybody else. You know, it helps me deal with, you know, what I've seen and the things I've experienced, and sure, you know, I've become probably more obsessed with it than most of the people I talked to on the show. Sure, and each one of them helps, you know, like just talking to you that helps you with that incident that I was just speaking about, because that was that's something that you know, it's especially as someone who used to go out and
investigate these things. You know, you got to be careful with the things you say. And that was one of those things where like it was really hard to talk about because people start kind of looking at east Side. I'd like, oh, I guess maybe you're starting to see things out there. Maybe you should, you know, take a step back or something. But like that's what I experienced that and that's all I can do is just deliver the truth. And that's what it was. I don't understand it. I
don't have an explanation, but that's what it was. Yeah, I agree. I don't do that. I have no interest in going out and try to find these things, but I do make it a habit, or I have made it a habit rather too. Anybody that I meet or that I know that that is a hunter or a hiker just spends on the time in the wars, I'll ask him, and I don't. To be honest, I'm at a point in my life I don't care what they I really honestly
don't, So I'll ask them. You know, if you've ever excuse something weird, and it's fifty fifty really as far as their initial reaction, most people kind of look at or half the people look at you like you're weird
and the other half or no, not really. But what's interesting is, regardless of how they look at me, more times than not I get the same answer initially, no, not really, but there was this one time, and then they're going to tell me a story that, of course I can't say it was Bigfoot, but does have a lot of similarities to a lot of other stories that would that would resemble Bigfoot, you know what I mean? Or at least something weird and something different and something out there.
I was saying more times than not. I do get people that, even if they're not believe from big Foot at all, they do have some sort of odd story, very odd story in the woods. It's kind of strange how those odd stories contain a lot of the same details that are often associated with big Foot that people don't even realize. That's exactly what I was trying to say. You worded it a lot better than I did streamline way. Yeah, that's that's exactly what I was trying. I'm good at repeating the
exact thing that someone just said, so well, well done. Well yeah, man, I appreciate you coming on here and sharing your story like that. Mister Kang, I believe it was. If he happens to be listening, I've lost your contact information. Ryan's trying to get ahold of you, man, So if you hear this, hit me up and I'll put you guys in touch, that'd be awesome. Thank you, and again, yeah, no, thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. Like I
said, I'm just repeating myself. But it's a therapy, man, and it helps so much to talk to somebody about it, And for those listeners that may have an encounter, I highly encourage you to reach out to somebody mad or whoever, because it really is such a weightlift off your shoulder just being able to talk about it. So no, thank you, I really appreciate you having me absolutely, and if you do want to reach out to me with your story of a bigfoot encounter or something else you've experienced, email
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