So ten o'clock at night, my wife is out on the balcony of the house looking out the telescope my father had. Eventually, after ten to fifteen minutes this, she pops her head in and says to me, there's something weird out here. I just feel like, you know, hearing noises over there. I'm like, well, what are you hearing? She's like, I don't know, like like footsteps or and then I saw a rabbit run by, looking afraid, and I feel like something's watching me, you know.
Fast forward now, that's probably ten to eleven a knight. Fast forward now it's to the middle of the night. Will sound asleep in the guest room. All of a sudden the middle night, were awakened from dead to dead sleep by a boom boom, like a couple two or three boom hits next to our heads on this log cabin. Let's just pretend that was you. I'm telling you now, your arm would have been shattered to dust the force this thing hit it. You couldn't have had hit this wall with this
kind of force. You could not have done that. Thank God we didn't peek up the most blinds, because I'm positive there was a very large big foot standing right there at that window. I'd like to welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. David Race of the Monstrosity podcast. David, how you doing doing good? Doing good? So, man, tell me a little bit about yourself.
I know that you've been part of the stand up comedy world and for some reason you decided to venture into the world of podcasting, the paranormal and Bigfoot. How did that all come to be? Ah? Well, I used to be jockey on the radio for a long time before I ever became a comedian. So I, you know, they playing around in the in the radio space, which podcasting really is. It's like on demand radio.
Really, um, you know, isn't new to me. And and then for a while, while doing stand up here in la Um, you know, I started noticing that every comic was getting was doing a podcast, getting a podcast or doing a podcast and I and I resisted it for a while.
I in my mind it was like a backwards move. I'd already been down that road, like the radio world was a place I'd spent a lot of time, and I was like, I don't want to do that again, you know, And I had no interest, and I would just sit backstage and hear comics talking about their podcast and you asking me to I want to be on their podcast, or asking other other comics to be on their
podcast. This went on and on for you know, a year or two, and then one afternoon I was at home and it occurred to me that what if I do a podcast that that takes in my deep no knowledge and passion for all things Bigfoot and sort of does does a podcast under that construct instead of just you know, the David Ratio or whatever the other comedians were doing, which we're all worked, we're all kind of like all the comedians had podcasts like that, you know, the John Johnson Show, you know,
um, And I thought, what if I just sort of hang this picture frame around it, you know, and and it'll be this this thing where you know, I'm talking passionately about the Bigfoot thing, but inevitably, you know, the humor is going to come through also, so it's sort of blending those two things. And then you know, the idea expanded in
my head a little further. I thought, what if I put comedians, i know, you know, into the into that construct, like actually, you know, commedian who don't necessarily know anything about Bigfoot, but people I know as comedians and marry them together with you know, someone from Finding Bigfoot, someone from Ancient Aliens, you know, as a guest. So all that became in twenty fifteen, Comedians Talking about Bigfoot my first podcast, which um Buy episode five, had a TV deal. Yeah, it was extremely
popular and well received. I remember it right well well when I did that, you know, at first, when I first announced I was doing it online and things, I got a lot of pushback from the Bigfoot world because I remember the general sentiment was, oh, great, another comedian is going to mock the whole thing. That was That was what everyone assumed I was going to do. And the truth is that I'm a believer and have had
my own experiences. Even if they're not Class A sidings, you know, they're they're Matt Moneymaker calls them class B sidings at least, I mean they're they're they're good enough for him. So I I you know, I was very authentic about the topic. And yes, I was going to be funny, because you know, you put comedians in a room, funny things are going to be said. Just you can't help that. But I would be
funny at a funeral and didn't know way to change that. But but I but I knew that that I would take the Bigfoot topic more seriously than what people expected me to do. In those initial social media reactions, I saw and um, you know that that is what I did with it. And then so by the episode five, it had to deal with these guys who had done a very famous show for History Channel that was on that same subject,
and we ended up shooting an entire week. You normally, when you shoot a TV thing, you know, for sale where you haven't sold it yet to network, normally a production company will shoot what they'll call sizzle reel, which will be like a like a five minute you know, proof of concept of what the thing is, and you don't have to go heavy into the budget world. You know, I don't just spend a fortune. Getting a five minutes is a real done. It's a little bit of money,
but it's not as much money as a real episode would be. You know, these guys, these guys shot a real episode. These guys shot intending that this episode we're shooting will end up being episode number one of the show, you know, for air. Oh, this is a plot, right, it was They these guys didn't shoot like this, here's a five minute demonstration. Now what do you guys think? And then you know that will
fund the pilot. They funded a pilot. Wow. And and we, uh, you know, we got together me and two comedians that I had picked up or I thought would fit, you know, the channel theme of how I constructed the TV thing, which was also you know, based exactly on comedians talking about Bigfoot, but it was a TV version, you know. And and we went to Minnesota and shot it there in you know,
like in rural Minnesota. And we were there for a whole week, shot an entire week like as if, you know, as if we already had a deal, like like we're there on a budget with a full deal already from Animal Planet or something, And and shot a whole week. And then for the next year or so, that was going through a sales process, and it had fits and starts. It almost sold it didn't know, then
undid itself, then almost sold to someone else. Then it went through a lot of fits and starts, ultimately not selling for various reasons that that would take me forever to go into, but lots of things kept it from selling. Um and and then I thought, well, I got to get back to doing a podcast now. So I decided, what if I go back to doing a podcast, but I do something just a slight alteration on comedians talking about Bigfoot. Let me broaden it out to UFOs. Bigfoot goes you
know, locked us monster like not just Bigfoot. And let me change the construct of comedians are the guests in the room and the guy from Ancient Aliens is the paranormal guest. Let me change that contract a little. It doesn't have to be comedian. It can be regular celebrities, actors, actresses, movie you know, movie people and rock stars and stuff, not just comedians.
You know, what if I sort of make those little adjustments so that that changed the title in my mind to you know, let me changed the title too, so it became Monstrosity with David Race, which I started in twenty eighteen. I think, um, and you know, the logo from Monstrosity reflects that it covers all the things I think I created like a logo where the the O as a UFO and the the R and monstrosities a C
monster. You know, the Bigfoot is the is the letter T the it's actually you know, the Patterson Gimblin Bigfoot kind of walking by is the letter T and that became the logo the show. The podcast has been really well received. Um, I've been amazed at how many celebrities come in and do this show. And what's so cool is that because I live in la and and you know, La based, I have this cool advantage of being able to have celebrities come in and do it live, except for Covid and interrupting
that. You know, COVID changed that a bit. There was there were you know there there've been a good amount of episodes now that we're also you know, done by feed, you know, where the celebrities somebody else, so somewhere else, but but most of the episodes somebody's come in and it It is the coolest thing in the world. When you know, Daisy Duke comes walking in, it's like your teenage your teenage poster walked in off the walls. Yeah. Yeah, I've looked through, uh, some of your
monstrosity resume of guests and it's just crazy, man. It's absolutely insane, very diff and it's always it's it's very diverse, and it's it's you know, there's rock stars too, I mean, like the recent episode, most recent episode is John Anderson, the lead singer of Yes Yea, who's a legendary rock star in the rock and Roll Hall of Fame for God's sakes. Yeah, you know, and and and you know, I had Shadows stevens On as a famous radio guy, Shadows stevens Yeah, which I had made
him count down America's top five arts of Daisy Dukes. But you know, Catherine back, she wants to come in again. She's ready to come in every episode I think, um Lonnie Anderson's come in U you know, just recently had Natasha Henstridge from Species. Yeah, she was good. I just had just recorded a new episode a couple of days ago. And you're the first guy I'm telling anywhere in the world who it is. Here. Your audience is about to get an advanced preview. Here you go, folks hearing
it here first. The new episode about to come out probably this week. Uh is Christanna Locan, the super hot blonde from Terminator three. Yeah, she came in, you know, was very distracting. Olivia Diabo came in, another beautiful woman. Yeah. That that's That's one of the ones that got me whenever I was younger, uh, growing up watching Wonder Years. Yeah, she and she was so much fun. She was so much fun
too on the show. She was like, it's so weird because I don't give them there's no requirements that they have to have any interest in the paranormal or any experience of their own. We don't, you know, put any of that on them. That's that's our problem, not theirs, you know. And but but they almost always have something to say in that zone from
personal experience, almost always. It's it's rare that there's a celebrity sitting there who came in, did the show and actually doesn't have a thing to add in that area, you know. Um, one example I could think of a somebody who definitely seemed really distant from the paranormal thing, like almost like uh, yeah, yeah, I did your show, but then don't follow
me at this paranormal. A little bit of that was was Mike the Moon from Fast Times at Richemond High, Robert Rabatic, Yeah, who was a great guest, and and it was the weirdest thing sitting opposite him, and it was like it was the moan. He talks like the moan, he looks like the money said, so you're back and forth going to tell me about you know something, and he's like, well, I gotta tell you man, I had some nice team. You know, he's not putting on
a character like that delivery. Uh. And this led on and on like an hour. But I remember when we went to the Paranormal Guy and I don't remember it was the UFO guy. I can't remember, you know what the theme was that, but whoever it was, I remember he sort of bailed out. He sort of he was there, he was in the room
physically, but he wasn't really there. It was sort of like fifteen minutes of me talking to a UFO guy and maybe every sophon going Robert together and they're gonna say every gay No, not really just kind of listening along. He starts thumbing around on his song like yeah, yeah, aliens got it. Yeah I think um. Another one that was a little like that was we had Kenny bang Yet from Seinfeld on the show Stephen Heydener, and he was very very funny, really funny episode, but he walked out and took
a piss during the paranorm book guy. Wow. Wow, I mean, you know, hey, it's not for everyone. You know. Yeah, yeah, but that was the only guy I've ever seen that there was no explanation. I remember sitting there thinking, where's he going? Actually actually got ghosted on a paranormal show. Yeah, it was weird. U. Then
other people have surprised me with how involved their paranormal story was. Lonnie Anderson, you know, had a really detailed thing about being haunted when she was filming, um oh, town's name is Jane Mansfield, the Jane Mansfield movie, the one where she plays Jane Mansild and Arnold Schwartz and Arnold Schwartzer plays
her husband in that movie. Actually it's like nineteen eighty eighty one. Anyway, they were filming it at Mansfield's house and Lonnie ended up telling us all about the Chief Fields that she was being haunted by Jane Mansfield's ghost on the set to the point where she was visited by the ghost. She saw that operation was visited by the ghost, the James Mansfield ghost while she was showering in in Mansfield's house. And I couldn't help it, Asknie, are you
sure that wasn't a photographer ghosts visiting Jamie visiting Lonnie in the shower. Okay, but yeah, everybody is visiting Lonnie in the show. Yeah, yeah, who wouldn't take this visitation? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you were in here. Yeah exactly, I mean that was probably an Arnold actually, um. And then the who was the other one? Oh, Robert Charden from Revenge of the Nerds. Yeah, he uh. He had an unexpected story that was like a I don't know if you called this teleconnie,
not teleconniese. What would you call it when you your mind causes something to happen. Yeah, he was sitting at a diner or something, but talking with a guy, you know, across the table, and the guy was telling him some story about somebody else they mutually knew in show business. It was something that pissed him off. Like Chardin was getting really pissed, you know that this real enemy of his just book some gigantic role that he wanted
a book or he's something like that that made him anger. And and while he's getting seething mad hearing this story, and I could be I'm completely kind of making up the contract right now. I don't remember what it was that made him angry. I have to go back and listening to the episode so what I just said is fictional. But but whatever it was that made him mad, whatever that Jean this, you know, the subject was something was
making him mad as he listened to this story. And he's looking across the table and his friend who's got a glass of water or something while they're having this conversation, and he's staring at the glass of water with the seething anger about whatever was he was mad about, and the glass of water shattered into a million piece WHOA do you think that people in general have like some sort of innate psychic ability and just sometimes it comes out and sometimes others can kind
of manipulate it easier than others, or do you think it's just some random occurrence that doesn't really exist inside of us. I don't know. I mean, haven't given that much s thought. What do you think I'm just kind of paranormal guy or something. I mean, so, actually, I don't you know that one. I that area of paranormal is not stuff I'm super
up on. I mean, I know you know of these sort of instance spontaneous combustion and that kind of in the Charodeene story, but obviously I don't don't don't know anyone else who spontaneously blew up or made a glass shatter across the room from it. So so it's it's hard to like, it's harder to get your head around that one. Have you ever experienced anything yourself,
like I knew someone was gonna call before they called, or something. I mean probably that that that to me would seem kind of minor, A new someone's gonna call before I'm sure I happened. Um, I'm thinking more like the big stuff like Caardeen's thing with a glass shatter and then that No, that would be that would be a hard No. Yeah, nothing like that happened, das. But I mean we've we've all had little sure I'm sure, yes, yeah, we've all had like, you know, a six
what would you call that sixth sense? You know that something? You know, Yeah, we've all had that. We all a descha vous. You know, everyone experiences that where you feel like, wait a minute, I've been here for I know I know exactly what's gonna happen next. I'm gonna turn to my left, my dog's gonna run by, and then I'm gonna go down the stairs, and my wife's gonna say this to me. Like we all have like that fifteen seconds or like I have done all this before.
I know exactly what's gonna happen next. You know, that's always weird. I don't know what that's all. What that is like you like you like you in the past, you got some somewhere in your you know, in your dreams or something, you've got a glimpse into your future. And now like as you're living it, you're as you're living it, you're like, wait a minute, I know, I know what's gonna happen next.
Then I'm you know, like the ice cream man is gonna ring the doorbell and say that I didn't give him enough change, and then and then like you know, the dog is gonna come running back in the backyard, like and then it all happens, and you literally like you almost can point around your home like okay, three two one, doorbell there it goes exactly like I said, you have you have like twenty seconds of that. It's also
pretty where that the ice cream man came after you. Yeah, it was like a dollar Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny as you're in on that because you're it in of the thirty five cents collection from ice cream Man. Yeah, but I mean, but it is, it's so strange. Deja vu is such is a really strange Yeah, And it's always
weird situations. It's it's not like, you know, major events. It's like you're saying, you know, just random, kind of mundane things like I remember at one point in time I had it whenever I just like saw like a can of soda sitting on a table somewhere, and I was like, oh my god, I've seen this before. I've been here in this exact spot before with that soda sitting right there. It's never you know,
like the end of the world. It's so weird, you know, because so many people experienced that, I mean pretty much, I would dare say just about everybody has at some point, you know, like you're saying, and I just you know, where does it come from? Science hasn't figured that one out yet. For sure. It seems like it's it's just like we're getting somewhere along the way in a dream or something, we're given a peak into our future. So I'm dying to ask, tell me about your
big foot stuff. Man, what happened? Well, there's been two. There's one I've only talked about maybe one other time, and that's the lesser stories. I probably that's why I haven't talked about it much, But if you want, I'll get to that one too. But the bigger one, the more the one I've talked about more on my podcast in other places is um I'll give you the detailed version. It's the two thousand and seven two thousand and seven I think it is. I was, you know, already
living out in la for a while at that point. But but my my all time favorite band, Genesis was on tour and they were playing New York that week, so I flew across the country to see the New York shows also, and my wife was with me. And during the course of that week we went with my father and his wife to an upstate in the York property my father owned for many, many years. Um. It was a
house on top of a mountain, you know, on private property. He owned fifty five acres and the house was way up at the top of the plateau of the mountains. So so you know, the acre it just you know, from the you know, begins at the street level and you go
up like a private like a chain fenced road. You have to unlock to get to and you drive up this cobble road way up you know, high and through the through the winding woods to eventually get to the clearing on the plateau where he had this house built up there, and the down slope of the mountain in every direction is also his property. So you're talking a big
parcel land the nearest house. And I'm setting up this way for a reason because it really lays out, you know, the foundation of how remote we're talking about the nearest neighbors are, you know, a half a mile in any direction, like on other properties of that size. So this is not a neighborhood like you've been picture in any normal suburban place. This is a
house on a mountain in the woods. And my wife and I went up for a couple of nights, and at the time I was marginally into the Bigfoot topic, but I would say I wasn't super well read on it. I was, you know, a childhood viewer of In Search Of and Leonard Nimoy. I was, you know, uh, you know, open to Bigfoot documentaries that kind of toughly interested me on TV. But but I I don't remember if two thousand and seven and Finding Bigfoot was even a show yet,
it might have been a brand new show. I'd have looked it up. But it's you know, it's somewhere roughly about when that show probably starts to happen. But anyway, and I was a regular viewer of that, But but but but I don't. I'm saying all this intentionally because I don't recall like that I was super, super knowledgeable or super into the top. Again, I liked it, was interested in it. Definitely kind of subject that can catch my attention on television, But I wasn't like really really well
read or knowledgeable. Um. And we were up there ten o'clock and night. My wife is out on the balcony of the house looking out the telescope my father had at the very clear skies, you could see the stars everywhere, and she's looking at all that. I'm sitting in the in the living room watching her, you know, through the glass, what what she's out
there doing? And I am noticing that she keeps sort of seeming startled and kind of like taking her eyeway from the telescope and kind of looking like what the hell, kind of looking to the right or left to the dark woods tree line and you know, getting seeming like she's getting spooked ever resolve and you know, interrupting her looking through the telescope, And that's not like her.
I would say, She's definitely nowhere near like me, like really like, you know, on the edge of her seats, afraid of everything like I am, and not and not you know, nearly as well versed on these topics. So I would say it wouldn't be like her, you know, to automatically assume whom there are aliens coming after her and these words i'd
be I'd be thinking like that, not her. Um So, so I thought it was weird that I kept seeing her get startled and kind of turn her head away and look left and right and then go back to what she was doing. Eventually, after ten fifteen minutes, the she pops her head in and says to me, there's something weird out here. I just feel like, you know, hearing noises over there. I'm like, what are
you hearing? She's like, I don't know, like like footsteps or and then I saw a rabbit run by, looking afraid, and I feel like something's watching me. She's saying those sort of things. Now, I feel like something's watching me would hit you or any big foot guy as hold on, that's bigfoot kind of stuff. But that's what I mean when I say I wasn't that well read on it yet. I didn't. I didn't understand a phrase like I feel like something's watching me to be a big foot type
of incident sounding That wasn't that wouldn't they hit me yet? You know a few years later I would have been aware of that sort of thing. So so I just kind of said, well, just come int forget it, you know, that was the thing of a layman would say to that and stop looking out the telescope coming out. Um, So she came in and uh, you know, fast forward now that's probably ten eleven a night.
Fast forward now to the middle of the night, and I'm talking dead middle of night, three thirty in the morning, the middle of night, you know, and sound asleep in the guest room and the the This is a very sturdy log built kind of house, like a large house, like four bedrooms, but like you know that that heavy thick, you know, log cabin construction, like like you know timber that you know you when you when it's not I don't mean there's something flimsy. I don't mean something temperary.
I mean, like, you know, if if you're rund a mind of bulldozer, this I wouldn't knock over. You know. Um, we're sound asleep and all of a sudden the middle of the night, we're awakened from dead, dead sleep, you know, by a boom boom, like a couple two or three boom hits next to our heads on this log cabin,
you know, next to the guest room. And when you're dead asleep in the dark of the woods, you know, such a quiet up state place, and something wakes you that suddenly this will maybe forever be the undoing of
this incident. But we neither of us like jumped up out of the bed and like peeked open the blinds, like we we just were so suddenly woken from such dead sleeps that we just looked at each other and went, what what the hell you know kind of and just fell right back down, like our head just fell right back to the billows, and we went back to sleep out. The big Foot intensive listener is listening to this, going you
idiots, you missed a Class A siding right next to you. You know, my attitude in my head right now whenever I retell the story and I think about it, because I could picture us there, I remember it also. Well, my attitude about it is thank god we didn't peek up in those blinds, because as I continue the story, you'll understand that I'm positive there was a very large, big foot standing right there at that window, right next to the window sill where he smashed the wall next to our heads,
and I would have been face to face with him. And I literally peeked the blinds open just a foot away from the bed, I'd have been face to face with him, and I'd probably still be unconscious in that room right now. So I'm actually glad that didn't happen. But you know, the Matt moneymaker type. That's my second Matt money vote maker invocation of this call the Matt money maker type. Yeah, don't say him a third time. Yeah, you know, he he he would forever be regretting, you
know that he didn't do that. And on the opposite, I'm so glad um. But but anyway, we did go right back to sleep, but there was no further banging on the wall anyway. The next day I crept around outside you know, just out of curiosity, right by the window to see, like what does it look like out there? Exactly how high is this window from the floor. Like I took it all in and like, you know, made note of it. And the window was probably nine feet
off the ground. Um. The wall next to it, you know, you know, anything is smashing, The wall next to the smashing nine ten feet up. Um. The ground wasn't disturbed over there. It was grass up to a point I think, like up to very close to the house, maybe maybe to a foot or two from the house. It was maybe something harder, like like a hard packed dirt, you know, in shrubbery or something, but most of his grass up to roughly up to it.
And there was nothing disturbed looking certainly no dead animals or anything. Um. And I And I said to my father that morning, and he's an ex New York cop and definitely not a believer type. I said to him, did you hear anything weird last night? Yeah? He's like, no, what are you talking about? I told him what happened and he and he said something, you know, typical layman kind of responds something like that's probably
a deer. It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if a deer ran into the wall of the house in the middle of the night, I am twice. There's so many at this at this force too, at nine feet in height. There's so many different things that are wrong with that staatement. First of all, twice was a good, good observation. Yep, that's a good one. Another one is nine feet Another one is wouldn't he be unconscious and dead right there right now? Yeah, still laying there
right Another one is it was he blind? Um? I mean, there's so many things wrong. And then if you you know, if I probably, if I probe further, my father he probably would have said that bear. It's you know, almost as stupid, you know, I mean, like a bear who would now be laying there with a shattered arm in his defense though that's what most people go to, you know, when I think that's one of the reasons big Foot's stayed hidden for so long is because people
are just no offense to your father, very stupid. Whenever it comes to date or and things out of the ordinary, it's not in there. It's just not in their realms of possibilities. Not think it must have been a bird, you know, a bird flu and in the middle of and we're talking about a force that let's just pretend that was you, not a big foot. Did you did that? Okay, I'm telling you now, your arm would have been shattered to dust. Yeah, the force this thing hit
it with. Okay, your arm would have been shatter or to dust. You couldn't have have hit this wall with this kind of force. You could not have done that without being in a major medical problem at that point. Um, So it wasn't you. And let's and let's and let's just stay again with the human thing, you know, whatever human that was not only got severely injured, they also walked up onto a private fifty five acre property, passed chains and fences up a cobblestone road deep into the woods in the
middle night, just to smash the wall next to my wife. Brought something to stand on so they could retire at the wall right right, left, no trace of themselves. Um, you know, risk being shot. Definitely wouldn't father, Okay, Now I do remember asking my father. You know, at some point around this time, I just probed further with him. It was probably after him just coming back to me out. It was probably after because it was after this incident that I actually got much more into the
Bigfoot topic. I think this incident was what provoked me to like, you know, take more seriously some of the shows I was watching that point, the Monster Quest I think, was probably already on, and I think if I recall, Monster Quest had an incident that reminded me of mine. That was, you know, banging on the wall of the cabin kind of into and I remember it conjured up for me, Hey, that's sort of like
what happened to me, you know. So it all of that got me much more curious and got me more you know, deeply read on the topic. And then if I recall, I went back to my father like months later, now more red on it. I asked him more about the property, like you've never seen anything weird up there, and all kinds of stuff started coming out in him, like that his dog didn't like being put in the dog run and left for the afternoon, staying up there by himself.
And the dog wasn't particularly like that, you know, on a island where they lived most of the time, but upstate in New York, the dog didn't like being in the run, and like they would leave and dog in the run like the dog. It seems spooked, you know, spending the day by that, you know, not a great piece of evidence, but when you cumutively put it together with different things, I'm about to add it
all starts adding up to a picture. Another one was my father had found several deer with broken back legs that they broke their legs jumping into the cabin, right yeah, yeah, yeah, broke it but like you know, broke like a broken ankle, back ankle. Hear, like on the on the cobblestone road, you know, on the gravel road that leads up to the house. You know, say, you know, a quarter mile down the road, but on the property, like he like, he always thought
that was weird and he didn't quite note what to attribute that to. Um. Another one, this is to me the biggest one was as I got more well read on the topic, I discovered the Whitehall Monster and all the stories about the Whitehall monster. Well that caused me to map where the hell Whitehall was, and to my amazement, Whitehall was like a half hour down the road. Really, I mean, as you know, Whitehall has had sighting reports forever, you know, right, well, Whitehall, Whitehall is
the same air. It's like, you know, it's a neighboring town to where I was when this happened into a big foot person. I mean, this sounds like a typical property that has big foot activity going on right right and and and I you know, I told H ended up reporting it to the b f R before I ever knew Matt. Third invocation mat before I knew Matt. I reported it to the BFR. Oh this is pre podcast, you know, pre I'm not in that universe yet, you know where
I know people like him. So I reported it as you know, just a regular person to the b f R, and they ended up calling me to get the investigator for that region. This guy, I forget his name, ended up calling me um and he interviewed me for like an hour and a half on the phone all about it. Like he like he pulled all kinds of details out of me that like I didn't even you know, think
we're significant or remembered. But but he would ask me questions that caused me to wait a minute, you know what, you're right, that was this way or for example, he asked me, I remember, asked me if the if the window next to our heads, you know, in the bedroom if that was open, like if if it was if it was if it was a screen, there was a screen and it was open where you could smell us outside, basically is what he was saying, and the answers,
yeah, it was. Um another thing he remember, he asked me this one. He specifically asked me this one in a call back. He called me like twice over a couple of days, probably an hour plus in each call, and I remember this one was the main reason he called me back the second time. And at the time I was like, this is this is such a weird universe. And my wife was even more weird about But the question he called me back to ask me was, was my wife menstruay?
Yeah? She was huh. I mean it starts to paint a picture, doesn't it right now? Now when I later on, you know, several years later, I'm doing my podcasts and I do start to you know, meet people that are really in this world, um Bobo, Matt and
others, and I tell them this story. They start ringing it up absolutely as a big foot intend And Matt actually went as far as digging into the BFO file since he's the president of the company and he dug into them and found my report and read it himself, and I think he probably called the investigator and asked him what his impressions were further impression sport besides what he wrote in the report, and uh matt ended up telling me personally that he,
you know, he considers it about sighting side, not eyesighting. But but I think they would call a class B where I didn't see anything but had you know, it's the best explanation is a big foot, right, yeah?
Um, I mean I countless stories. Whenever I first got involved in this, it was like probably around nineteen ninety nine, two ISHM and I started going out into the field in two thousand and one or two thousand and two, I can't really remember, but I mean one of the first things that you started hearing that was just an extreme commonality was bigfoot smacking the sides
of people's houses. Something that stood out about your story to me personally was all the times I've heard people say that it happened right by their head when they're laying in bed in their bedroom at night, right And it's you know, really kind of uncanny how the bigfoot knows where you're at inside the room. And you know which wall to slap and everything. But like you're saying, you had a window right there that was apparently open, so that would
certainly explain that, right, And and he for a call. It was like he smashed, you know, just to the right of it, and it was it was with real force. It was with force that just I don't care how big of a human we're talking about, they just couldn't have done this. Even Andre the giant would have been severely injured. His bones couldn't have taken the amount of force he hit that way, they would have shattered. I mean, nine feet off the ground. How far away was
the bed from the window close a foot? So I mean, in theory, this thing could have been standing at the window looking in the window and just reached over and smacked the wall and was still looking to see if it woke you up and what your reaction would be, right, which is exactly why I mentioned that. I'm so glad I didn't just take the blinds because the book these were Venetian blinds. All I had to do was, you
know, just put my two fingers there, like open them. Yeah, we would have been iq I. And I'm telling you i'd there were not enough smelling salts. I would still be out right now, still be land there. Yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely terrified. That would have
been a face to face. But I'm also I'm also glad that I didn't always much about the topic at the time as I do now because I because if let's say that we're now, let's say that happened yesterday, I would have understood what that was, and I that even without peeking open the blinds, I would have been terrified. Like I would have. I would have ran ten feet to the other side of the room, the other the other wall, and been like, you know, up against the wall, going
oh my god. Yeah, my naive ty helped me in this case because I didn't understand what is you know, there are inches separating me from this. A lot of people that have encounters that you know, have an emotional effect on them, uh, you know. I run across signs of trauma all the time talking to witnesses, and that's kind of where I tried to put them back in that mindset. I'm like, hey, think about all the times before you knew these things were out there, that you were out
in the woods and everything was just fine. You know that you were still out there. It still exists before you knew they were real. After that door is opened, though it's hard to shut it. You raised a good point here that it never occurs to me, you know, and now you just said visited. Now it's occurring to me how many times I had been on that property before that. My father owned that property since the late sixties, and for a long time we had you know, this property, but
he didn't have a house built on it. He bought the property in the late sixty has been a incredible deal on this property up state in New York, and he just bought it and it was just a big fifty five acre property with nothing on it but woods, you know. I remember he would sell pine trees as Christmas trees. Like we wouldn't stay on the side of
the road and of them. But I mean he let like, you know, some guy come up there and caught him every year and round him up and sell him and he would, you know, make some money on Christmas trees like that was like one of the little things he had going on from that property. But we didn't have a house on the property, as a family vacation house until about nineteen eight. Somewhere around nineteen eighty, I remember
the house was constructed. And from nineteen eighty on when we'd go up there, it wasn't just to like walk around this weird woods we owned with my father going and the trees are looking big this year, like for no reason, you know. Um, you know, we weren't even we weren't hunters. We've just owned woods for no reason. We weren't like we were doing nothing with them at all. We were hunting, We weren't tapping maple syrup. We weren't I don't know why we own this place until until in nineteen
eighty it suddenly had a vacation home on its plateau. You know. Now there was like a you know, like a logical reason to come to come here. We weren't just staying in a motel down the street and looking at those woods are going a lot of leaves fall in this fall, you know. Um. And so we would go to this house starting in nineteen eighty and actually stay in the house on the property overnight, not at a motel
down the street. And that I probably did that dozens of times between nineteen eighty and two thousand and seven and didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't you know. My biggest concern if I was thinking about wildlife sort of stuff, would have been maybe bears. Maybe even that would be kind of rare upstate New York. Like you know, black bears aren't as common there as they are saying California. Yeah, so while a bear was totally possible, it
would be a rarity. It wouldn't be a common thing. A hell of a lot more common with deer that you see a lot, you know, turkeys, things like that, But those would be the you know, the quote unquote wild animals I was I was thinking about while I was there anytime between nineteen eighty and two thousand and seven, wild turkeys, deer, rabbits,
things like that, and never what I've thought about bigfoot. Now when I you know, provoked by what you just said, I'm thinking about all the times I've been up there, and all the times we might have been watched, and all the times I might have been within one hundred feet of a bigfoot, and all the time time that I remember I wandered off at three o'clock in the afternoon and just walked around the woods by myself because it was just an unusual place for a New York, you know, city suburban
kid to be upstate New York that that far removed from the city was on was not typical of my life. So like it was neat to me to like, you know, just walk around the woods, like just be in the kind of quiet of the woods, you know. And I would wander off by myself and just walk around and stare and you know, let my imagination run wild what this is and what that is? Is a twelve year old and a little did I know I was. I could have been fifty
feet from two Bigfoot at any given moment. You know. When I think back now, based on what you just said and how close a call I
probably had over and over again, it's terrified. I would really be interested find I mean there, I know there's no way to do this, but I wonder if anything took place while they were building the house house, you know, like clearing the land and actually constructing the house, because you hear about that sometimes in other places, you know, like construction sites getting messed with. Yeah, there's there's probably no way for me to find out.
I kind of vaguely remember the name of the guy who was involved in the construction. Um, you know, you know unique name, and I kind of vaguely remember it. But we're also talking about probably nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. Um, I don't I don't know that guy still alive. Even if he were, I mean, you would be an absolute nutcase. I can't even imagine that. Now. Yeah, listen, you remember seventy eight, you build a house in Cambridge, New York. It was on
the corner of blah blah blah blah blah. I don't know, I might have. I've done a lot of stuff, and you know I lived in Washington. Kind of a whole life stun of seventy eight. Now, yeah, well do you remember did you find any large foot print? Ye? Anyone you know moving in those logs when you were you know, you built a log cavals? Anyone ever picked one up and move on? Like,
hey, why did that move? The don't can move that? Yeah, I mean I don't remember a guy named Clem and uh, I mean yeah, just it would be a really weird conversation, uh with a guy that I doubted alive. But but but my father is actually the guy For me to ask you know for any other weird remembrances, and I doubt he has more for me than what he he ultimately told me, you know, months later. But but those were pretty good ones. A couple of times you
found dead dealer, a broken back leg. Um, yeah, you know, the dog always being afraid to hang around on the dog run and being left for the afternoon, which wasn't typical of that dog. The dog generally, you know, wasn't a skittish dog. Um, those were a couple of good ones. So is the property still in your family and everything? Unfortunately it is not. As of only a few years ago, um, maybe four years ago or so, my father sold it to someone else,
and so someone else lives in the house now. I mean, I'm positive my father could tell me who that is, and I could theoretically get in contact with that guy. It's not somebody I personally know where ever met, But my father knows who he sold it to, and I'm sure if I had to get in contact with the guy, I could and ask him if
anything word's been going on. But but again, another awkward especially specialized the fact that I'm pretty sure that he told me he sold it to a judge as in, you know, criminal or judge who would probably have me locked up immediately after, you know, soon as I started making these calls. Have you been able to kind of persuade your dad any since that event maybe be open to the idea it's not just that he's just it's not that type. It's just a certain like you said, it's a it's a certain kind
of blindfold and in the human mind that most people are wearing. Yeah. Um, and you know my father is very much of like the type that you picture having that blindfold on most securely x top that type, you know what I mean? Sure you mentioned another or less significant event. Did that happen at this property or was it somewhere O? No, No, it's it was in California, and it's far less significant, but it but I
still find it strange. And I think I did tell Matt this story also, and he thought this was pretty weird, like he considered it the right place for this sort of thing to happen. I was on a private tour of Yosemite maybe seven eight years ago, and it wasn't dead of winter, it wasn't a snowy time of year, and I don't remember it necessarily being anything unusual climate wise. It just kind of kind of an average normal time of year, like not too hot, not too cold, definitely not snowy.
So so nothing like that is involved in in what I might have been seeing or miss seeing. Um. But we were on a private tour and my wife and I were like in a in a in like this van with a tour guide driver and maybe two other couples that we didn't know that you know, that we were paired up with on this tour, and it was just the whole day where he drove you around Yosemite to like different the different highlights of the park, Like here's this I forget what those things are called,
but you know those crazy rock walls people climb and stuff there. Um, So you know this waterfall and that thing and this thing, and then uh, at some point we were on one of these high peaks where you're looking across a valley at one of the other famous you know cliff side rock wall things that these lunatics climb up thousands of peak um, and and we're just you know at this you know, the photo overlook spot he took us
to where you could take pictures, you know, incredible pictures across the valley at this thing, and the other side was no man's land. It was
it was. It was a sheer rock wall with a flat, you know, rock face at the top, and maybe some tree line at the very back of that rock face, probably like I start to estimate, but probably you know, more than seventy five yards from the edge, you know, the tree line might start so otherwise, so it's mostly rock, and then about seventy five yards in the distance of that rock is the beginning of tree
line. And I'm looking across and I'm seeing in broad daylight, I'm seeing objects like at the distance where they looked like stick figures, almost like but tall erect objects, two or three moving changing positions, like one would move to the right and you know, and then another thing would kind of move to the left and they'd be standing still, and then like that the different one would change editions, and I'm like, what is that over there?
Like I'm trying to stare squinting in broad daylight at these in the distance stick figures moving in a place where no humans should be able to be or no one should be able to get up there. There was no one climbing the rock face that day. There's no one I'm not even one hundreds in short that I was looking at a rock face that people do climb. This might
even have been too high, but but it was. It was just weird that there were things moving over there, and I was I just remember telling Matt that one and him being like, you know, he seemed to have a better understanding of the park and where I was talking about, and was like, yeah, that that's weird, like nothing should be doing that. And I also, I do remember that I was really into Bigfoot at that
time. This is a point in time that Yoursemi trip happened during a point in time where I was really reading a lot, and like every big Foot book I can get my hands on, I was soaking in and you know, laying on beach vacations reading you know, people's big Foot stories. That's
what I'm laying on the beach reading and Kancoon. And during that that whole day, I remember driving the driver crazy was big Foot questions because this guy drove all day every day in Yosemite all the time, and so like the whole ride, I'm going like like other people are asking normal questions like they're going, so a lot of hikers get lost out here. I mean, this is this is way out here in the woods. I mean, you got a lot of rescues you gotta do. And next guy's going, you
got a lot of fire risk out here. I'm in a really fire. Once you get a fire going up here, there's really no way to put it out. It's amazing these guys could even put anything out of here. And I'm going see the big foots around them, and you gotta you know, you're having a lot of sasquad. You know, I'm slipping those questions and left it right throughout this whole day, to the point where the guy
thought I was insane. I think. But at some point, after maybe my tenth question of the day, the guy turned to me quietly and he said to me, when I was kind of sitting near the front, he turned to me quietly and he said, I've seen stuff up here. Anyone who's worked up here seeing things? Wow, No, but it was right out of like, um, what what's that guy's name? The guy who
does the uh the missing hunting hunting people? Um, right out of like his world, you know, like like because Yosemite is one of those places where that stuff goes on. Yeah, you know, and for sure, and I think, you know, Bigfoot or not, whether we're talking about Bigfoot or not. You know, I think Yosemite is the most notorious place in California for missing people in general. Let's even take the Bigfoot thing out.
I think it's a place where, like, even in even in less um mysterious circumstances, there's a lot of suicides, a lot of um serial killers, dump bodies, a lot a lot goes on at Yosemite. Yeah, a lot of death. Right. So these figures that you saw, I mean, I realize that you you know, you're looking at them from a very far distance and everything. But I mean, are we talking could you tell if they were like upright on two legs? Were they all kind
of similar in high couldn't make out two legs similar in height? Yes? And you know it seemed like the like the let's call them lines in the distance. The line seemed similar in height and seemed upright, narrow lines moving you know. Um, you know, imagine if you were able to cut a tree down to you know, from from its thirty feet in height to you know, a third of its height to ten feet. It would look to you at a great distance like a like a a narrow brown stick moving
changing places. Yeah, you know, um, that's what it sort of looked like. And and I couldn't make it any more detail. I just can tell you that the location, the plateau that we're talking about, nothing should be up there moving. That's not a place you can get to.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just sitting here kind of thinking. You know, obviously I don't know the location that you're talking about, but from the description and everything, I mean, any sort of thing that would be moving would have to be you know, some sort of animal or something obviously, and uh, an animal at that distance, I mean, I don't think
you'd even see it to begin with. I think that whatever you were seeing would have to be very large for it to even to register and and and had had it had the narrowness that a human or bigfoot kind of figure would have, it didn't have that that like the stoutness that the four legged animal would have, you know, and also the types of four legged animals we're talking about that even I guess could potentially be at those sort of heights, might be rams or maybe you know, elk or something it was. It
didn't have that. That's not the that's not the return it was giving me. You know, earlier we were talking about how humans just typically just go to mundane explanations for events that they can't explain out in the woods and you
know, situations like that. But at the same time, I do think there is something in us that causes us to have things stand out to us whenever it is something weird and unordinary, you know, for it to stand out that that gut instinct or whatever, I think we should trust it. And I think this is one of those situations where whatever these things were stood out to you because you know, something wasn't right about it. And this
was you know, as remote and high a plateau as can be. I mean, this was this was absolutely for for you or me to be on this plateau, absolutely positively, I'm telling you now involves a helicopter. Yeah, probably not even then. Probably not even then. I mean yeah, but I mean it's not trust me, it's not where Charlie, Jim and Steve were moving, right, It wasn't some hikers. Uh yeah, here's
a good selfie off. Let's go up here, right right, have you ran across in your talks with different celebrities, anybody that has a big foot story. Lydia Cornell from Too Close for Comfort an All the eighty show, another one of my teenage posters that came walking into the room. Um, she said she had a big for incident. And I don't know how I did this. I wasn't She's in one of the first few episodes of Monstrosity and I, I don't know. I got distracted. I wasn't on my
game yet hosting my own podcast. But I never came back to it. I never let it go. The whole episode goes by, and I think I shelved it. I think I said, like, oh, that's interesting. I will come back to that, and I didn't. Well, I mean, maybe you could reach out for a part two, but we've become
we've become a little bit friendly after that. Actually, so like I could tell st right now, probably while we're doing this interview, gets that's funny, though, you know, she'd probably find it very strange that a Memorial day, Um, I don't ruined your podcast by revealing with Davis good, You're good. I just she's probably at a strange that at this random time. Uh, this random sort of relaxed to day, I suddenly texted maybe the first time in six months. I went by the way, uh three
years ago on my podcast. I never got back to this question, what was your big footage? Like, she's a pretty good chance the cops would probably be here and I have to talk. I was just out barbecuing with my family and I thought, you know what, I forgot to ask you about that bigfoot thing. Yeah, it would be a really unique take on
stalking. Hey, maybe that's a new end. Yeah. Um, I don't remember anyone else having a big foot and said, I do remember her specifically, she had she had an alien abduction incident that I did follow up in that episode. She definitely had an incident. Sounded like she was abducted by aliens. See to me, that's way more terrifying than bigfoot, way more. That's they're all. They're all terrifying to me. But yeah, that is terrifying. And she had she was you know, she was like
eleven years old like you. She had to she had a really she had a good you know what read to me as an alien abduction story, you know, And I mean it was so nerve wracking hearing it, and she's so beautiful, and she was such a sex symbol as television story that I said to her, I said, you know, this story is really disturbing. You were eleven years old. Everything about about it sounds like an alien induction to me. I hate to tell you, but I think you're abducted
by aliens. I said, but the story would I gotta say, Lyddie, the story would have been so much hotter if she were twentieth It would have been great for your career. Yeah, I mean, I like aliens abducting twenty year old Lydia Cornell is a point better. Yeah, and we can't really take that any farther. Uh yeah, we're gonna have to sell that one. I mean, so, what's like the craziest story you've heard from someone? That was a pretty good one? Um, I'm gonna look,
I'm gonna I'll trigger my own memory out now. I looking at my own guest list if you look while we're talking, and I'll probably think of who had a good one. Here we go, my own staring at my own guest list. Who's been so many? So there's so many celebrities I've got to remember who who had what? Yeah, flip through the rolodex. All right, I'm looking right now. Well let's see we had now Kenny
Baniel from Seinelle had nothing here, Cornelogy gave you okay. Christopher Knife from the Brady Bunch was another guy that was very like distant from the the whole paranormal thing. Like he was on the show and I think I had him on with a locknext monster guy. You know, he asked some interesting science questions. Christopher Knight seems to be kind of a science see guys, like a like an engineering mind or something. But he wasn't like particularly into the
paranormal per se, so I don't remember him having an incident. Lonnie Anderson, I gave you the ghost incident Charadeine with the glass, the broken glass, Catherine Bach had she I remember her telling me that she got a phone call one time from somebody who had died recently, that they had died like in the last week or two, and they called her and spoke on the phone. That's also something that you hear a lot in the paranormal world.
I mean, maybe not a lot, but you definitely hear stories of you know, the phantom phone calls from someone who's recently deceased, So that was a good one. Let's see. Steve Hackett from Genesis did not have a paranormal story and ran away from the topic when I brought it up, but
he did. He did tell me that Peter Gabriel, when they were on tour in the early seventies, used to spend his afternoons walking around the United States wherever they were were, with a metal detector on and headphones, listening for coins and stuff, looking for coins on the beach and parks. That that's what he would do to kill off a day on tour. That's interesting, which I thought was really interesting. That made Google News actually that that
revelation point. But it would I mean, I know everything there is to know about Genesis, and I didn't know that one. And that that's and that's a really unique way bands always talk about, you know, when they're on tour, like they love the gigs, they love the performance, but
they can't stand the travel. They can't stand the flights, the hotels and all that is tedious to them, you know, And and the whole idea that Peter Gabriel International Rock Store, Peter Gabriel that's what he was spending his afternoons doing in Kansas. Yeah, walking around looking for coins, you know, in in in uh Mosquegan. It's just it's it's so hard, it's it's unreal. The picture all them, that's funny. Peter Gabriel could possibly
own your grandfather's pocket watching. Yeah, I mean, like I think I said to Steve Hackett, so your roadies were packing, you know, Phil Collins drums, George guitars, and Peter Gabriel's metal different um um shadows. Stevens end up telling me that he thinks he worked for aliens, kind of like he wasn't joking around. He doesn't mean, he doesn't mean like the cohen Heads, but he meant like a family that he thinks were aliens.
He like he thought it through and he thinks they were not actually earthenings. He thinks they were they were from a different planet and he had a teenage job working for them. And he gave the whole detailed story that he feels he worked for aliens as a teenager. I mean, that's pretty out there. Yep. I was just gonna say I'd be interested in learning how you know, the steps that led to that conclusion. That would have been a wild ride. It's it's a while ago, it's a couple of years ago.
It's in the episode though, definitely The Shadow Stevens episode has that and him counting down America's top five months. So you know there's a there's a lot of listening there. Uh, let's see him looking through Audrey Landers. Then remember Award Batman, Robin, but I don't remember him having an alien
thing. He had a lot to say about dogs though. He was talking about a dog food that has his name on it, and he claims that his dog food is so healthy and has such incredible properties to it that he knows of dogs and and has dogs himself that are living over twenty five years because of the high quality Burt Ward dog hold on. So you're telling me that Robin Boy wonder. Yes, Burt Ward came on your show, yes, and hawked his dog food brand's tremendously. So wow, we talk more
about dogs, We talk more about dog food. Man interviews that I've ever talked to anyone about a thing they have going on, or to anyone in the world about dog food. Yeah, But I mean, like like I always say, whoever it is yeah, anything you want to plug, anything, want to mention. And nearly every celebrity has like I just did this film work? Just at that show right, mum about about going tour? They all have something you know, um and and so usually get the normal
amount of plugging from the celebrity, which is par for the course. But Burt Ward had like a half hour of dogs. I wish I wish him the best of luck with that. I'll have to look into the Burt Ward brand dog food. And he owns like some gigantic amount of dogs. I can't remember the number, but it was something insane, like he has like
twenty five dogs. It was some incredible number of dogs. And he's also into really gigantic dogs, like his dogs are over one hundred fifty pounds that he can like ride around his property or something like yeah, yeah, he has like he has like he had some crazy thing. It was something like he's got, you know, twenty five dogs and none of them are less than one fifty or something like all of them are larger than he is. Yeah yeah, And I said to him, I go, I go,
did you have to buy a separate house? I mean, like, how are you even functioning. That's why he started his own dog food Brandy. He had to be able to afford to feed them. And I remember he was talking about lunch and every day he comes downstairs to the kitchen, it's a certain time he makes himself a sandwich. I said, you get to eat that saw like you've got a hundred, one hundred and fifty pounds dollars everywhere you look. Do you even get right? You got to leave the
room with that challenge doesn't seem possible. Um uh. Steve Lucas from Toto, I don't remember a paranormal thing from him. Richard Klein from Three's Company, Larry Dallas fun guest, I had him get he got a special phone call in that episode. I had him get a phone call from Heaven from mister Unfurly ran a phone called him with all nine connected directly. I have him mister Unfairly checked in with Richard Klein. It's a very funny phone call.
Jody Sweeten from Full House was on She okay, I remember her having a paranormal story, but I do remember playing a game of f monster Kill with it, where I I gave her choice of different monsters she could marry, have sex with it, or kill and she played the game with enthusiasm. The bottom line is is you know squeaky clean Jody Sweeten from Full House, Stephanie Tanner, Yeah, I've ruined her career. Congratulation. Yeah,
she's completely tarnished. Mackenzie Phillips was on. She had a lot of rock star stories of our call and remember paranormal ones, but she knows tons of rock stars, you know, growing up the daughter of John Phillips and Shell Phillips was her stepmother, and her whole world was living in Laurel Canyon, you know, with Crosby Stills in Nash and Paul McCartney coming by the house. I'm sorry for us non celebs out there. You know. It still
just blows my mind that some people live those lives. Yeah, I mean, she talked about like being a little kid in the hammock in the backyard with Paul McCartney cradling her, and they would fall asleep and take naps and stuff. That's crazy. I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I get it. You know, people are just people at the end of the day. But whenever your life is like filled with the normal people in your life just happened to be like historical and prominent celebrities in the world.
Yeah, she You know, she had lots of those stories, but I don't remember paranormal things with her. Adrian's Med from t J. Hooker Adrians and Med. He had great William Shatter story. Well, I mean he would have to. I don't think you can know will Shatner and not have great Will Shatner stories. He had Shatter stories, he had had Locklear stories, which of course you expect him to have. Don't remember paranormal Oh you know what he did now? I remember he had a ghost story.
He had a ghost incident while he was doing a play somewhere, and there was a ghost definitely was. He had some kind of ghost incident while he was doing a play somewhere. That's I remember he had that. We had Mr James Murray Murr from Impractical Joe Pakers on the show. Yeah, he's really into he's really into alien stuff. He writes kids books about Area fifty one and he just he's really into the alien subject. I don't remember that
he necessarily had an incident, but he's really he loves the topic. Are there any like bucket list celebrities you'd like to talk to an interview about this stuff. Wow, that's a great question. Uh, bucket list clebrities don't want talk about the paranormal. I don't know. It's hard to say that I'd call this a bucket list celebrity. But I just just someone who's coming right to mind, is how I'll answer it. Um, someone I'd like to talk to. Sammy Hagar. Okay, say, Sammy Hagar is really
into the alien thing. I think he's claimed he claims to have had some UFO incidents. There are Van Halen songs that are they are you know, the lyrics by him that are clearly alien themed that people don't realize they're you know, snapping along and humming along like an alien a hit. You know, because somebody needs to go back and listen to the lyrics to Van Halen's Love Walks In which gets tons of radio play for the last thirty years,
but it's it's an alien abduction song. Well now I'm gonna have to go listen to it after we get off here, and uh put the alien spend on. You'll listen to it, and you, yeah, you'll listen to it and you'll You'll know, you'll realize that I've heard the song a million
times. It's, you know, definitely a radio song that you've heard a lot, and you never stop to think about what's being said, because he cleverly came up with the title love Walks In, and if you listen to it and read the lyrics, you know, it seems to me that the word love is just being substituted in as a synonym alien or something nothing. He went with a generic which sounds like normal boy girl title, but it's not what it is. Huh yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out.
And I know he's on the record that he's you know, he buys into that kind of stuff. I think he's seen things that he'd be a good guest to have that that's like, it's not really in this case a bucket list answer, but somebody i'd like to talk to that, you know, that would be a good one. Uh. Olivia Diabo, I don't remember she had a paranormal thing. I do remember that. I think she's the one that told me that she saw Donovan, the rock star Donovan naked.
Uh. Well, that is sort of panormal encounter, right, because she's the daughter not as not as intensively as McKenzie Phillips. McKenzie's father was really famous John Phillips. The mom was and pap famous famous you know. Um Olivia Dabo. Her father was Mike Dabo, who was the lead singer of Manford Many but Manford man changed lean lead singers about three times, so he's really only the singer on one famous song of there from the mid sixties
called Mighty Quinn. And then like all the other famous songs people associate with them are other guys. They're like one of those bands, like a faceless bands that change members a lot and stuff. But but her there still was a rock star hung around in the rock were all the London rock world, you know, and and was the lead singer on a hit single of There's in the late sixties. So he's certainly like you know, you know, he knew you were Jimmy andricks Is and people like that, right, and
and that's how and that's why and how she saw Donovan naked. I tell them with the rock star growing up thing, you know. Uh Saal Rumanick, the actor, I joked in the description of the Saal Rumanic episode, We joked at Saal Rumanik has been in every movie and TV show released since nineteen eighty six, because when we were going through his bio trying to figure out what things we want to focus in and talk to him about, it
appears that he's been in everything. He's been in everything. I mean, I'm just looking right now on our own little shortened version and these are just some of the things in the shortened version of his bio that I see in front of me against all odds, Wall Street, Bonfire of the Vanity's True Romance, Unforgiven, Where House thirteen, Frazier, and Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Yeah, you know, now, let you say it. He is definitely one of those actors that seems to be attached to like every single thing, right well, when you actually go deep into his you know, his full resume, he really is in every single thing all the time. Yeah. So, so we described him as having been in every movie TV shows in
eighty six. That was how we built boarded him. On the episode we had Aaron Murphy from Bewitched on Tabitha from Bewitched and this is the first time I a little bit broke format I decided don't put her on with the UFO person. Don't put her on with a bigfoot person, don't put her on with a ghost guy. Put her on with a witch. So I booked Tabitha on the show, and I, you know, surprised her by booking her with an actual witch as the paranormal guest. Did she was, she
into it very much, and she was totally surprised. I mean, we don't, you know, we don't tell our guests what they're gonna face, like so like for example, Jodie Sweden didn't come in no knowing she's gonna play a half monster kill it just it just happened to her. Our show get our show gets inflicted on you, you know. Um. And and Aaron Murphy did not know, you know, if I was going to have
a UFO person or no other person or ten other people. No idea, She's no idea what she's walking into except the name of the show and my name and things like that. And and I said to her, I have a surprise for you, Um, I'm I've been planning this. And she got a little clenched a little like, oh, what do you mean you
have a surprise for me? Like she didn't know, you know what was gonna have, you know, if a guy was gonna come running to the room in a in a cake until they get to the studio to tell them that yes, yes, yeah, everything happens on Mike. It's all all unfolding for your eyears. And and I told her, you know, your Tabitha from Bewitch, and you grew up playing a witch and you grew up in the whole witch world, and I've decided to have you on with an
actual witch meets you know. And I introduced her to the to the which we booked. And I can tell you one thing. Booking that episode, my sister and I had a hard time booking it because we you know, we were trying to find a good reliable which you know, somebody who do can be on time, someone who had a good yelp rating. Yeah,
we exactly. We wanted a good yelp rating on time, uh, punctual punctual which yeah, a punctual which which which was a sense of humor that we that wouldn't like at some point turn on me and maybe cast a spell on something right right. That was a true concern of mine, legitimate concern. I was actually worried that what if I pissed off this witch like this could become a problem making sure they laugh at every joke, right, I wonder which they can roll with the punches, you know. And this was
not an easy task. You know. We spent a few weeks looking through the online witches and um, you know, trying to kind of find you know, which that met all the different criteria. And we did really well. We hit the jackpot like our which was was was fun and funny and lie and you know, you know, giggled along and played, played, played the jokes and like, I haven't felt like my world's gone awry since then, so she must not cast any negative spells and everything's been fine.
But it was a real concern. And another thing that was really consistent when we were looking for a witch was almost all the witches out there there were potentially available, like you know, the media savvy witches, right, okay, the ones that were like that had done interviews and like we felt like, you know, can handle them, have a good Instagram following, Yeah, right, exactly, exactly, Okay. Most of those witches were quite
X rated. It was unbelievable the amount of overlap between witching and X rated. Wow, would you ever have known that? I would never It's certainly not the stereotype that you grow up thinking about whenever it comes to witches. Yeah, it was constant. It was like, this was always like the impediment, Like I would go, this witch looks greenie. She really doesn't have any clothing, she barely owns anything. I mean, I know sex
magic is a thing. I know that's like, you know, a category of witchcraft if I mean, I could be completely off base with this, but I'm pretty sure it's a thing. Well, I ended up settling on a witch that, you know, the hat a frock and the and the colne hat and everything. You know, sure, sure, and and and you know she was light and and and and it was very reverential about being
on with Tabitha, like because we didn't. The other side of that is that we don't tell We never tell our parent normal guests who they're gonna be on with either. We like the the spontaneous surprise all the way around, the full circle surprise. Yeah, okay, so everybody's always surprised on the show, like, you know, whether it's Aaron Murphy didn't know she's gonna be on a with a witch, and the witch doesn't know she's gonna be
on with Aaron Murphy. Every we want, the whole. Everybody's surprised is what we want. And so the witch was thrilled. I mean she was. She was like, oh my god, Tabittha like I grew up well actually, like like every just everyone was over the move. You know. By the way, Tabitha from Bewitched, I discovered in my research that you know, in her teens or early twenties whatever, she was a hanged ten bikini model. I could not and I could not find any pictures of this
anywhere. And I and I said to her, I go, you know, I've discovered you or hanged ten bikini we She goes, wow, you did your research. I said yeah, I said, but I'll tell you something else I did. I can't find any pictures of you as a hang ten bikini model. They don't exist. She goes, oh, they're out there. I go, they're not out there. I've been everywhere, and if anyone would have found him, it's me. She goes, I have him. I said, well, you need to bring him to me.
She goes, no, I'm noting. She was holding tight onto those Hang ten bikini pictures. But if someone could find those and send them to us, we'd love to see them. Also Natasha Henstridge, she was on de chieve a paranormal Thing species, Natasha Henstridge, I don't remember a paranormal thing. John Anderson from Yes Okay, he's on the most recent episode. He had a really weird one. He claims to have met aliens backstay at a Frank Sinatra concert. Yep, that's one of the weird one of the weirdest
sentences you'll ever hear someone else. Yeah, for sure, Like uh yes, like he was introduced to a group of aliens that were special guests of Frank's or he told he tells the story on the show, but it was more, it was more, it was it was more, um, it was a little more cryptic, like more John Anderson e than that. He's he's a real like spiritual, you know, like like floating above kind of
guys. He's one of those you know, he's a real, real like metaphysical you know, um, like a Yannie you know character, like one of those kind of tea yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he tells the story and that John Anderson anyway, you know, but with but with real authenticity, like he like he seems to surely believe this is what happened. I mean, I'm gonna have to check that out. I got to hear that story. That's a lot of the way it goes with paranormal
events, though. It's you know, regardless of whether the listener or whoever hearing the story believes they or not, the person the experiencer believes it happened, and that makes it real for them, you know, yes, and and and yeah. I can't even do justice to John's story. It's I can't explain his story. Only he can. It's a it's a it's an unusual story out of all the different things out there. I mean, you've got the Lockness Monster and stuff. But why do you think Bigfoot has kind
of become so popular in pop culture and advertising. I mean, you just see Bigfoot everywhere. What's our fascination with Bigfoot? That's another great question. It's for me personally, I find the whole Bigfoot mystery and the whole Bigfoot you know, the Bigfoot themed programming on television to me is the most compelling, it's the most interesting. Um and that that may just be where I'm at and the next guy listening to this, Mico, No, but I
like the UFO shows better and those are good too. But like Bigfoot Bigfoot, for example, let's say versus Lockdest Monster both interesting, but Bigfoot's some more interesting TV subject. It's it's it's more interesting to watch a documentary crew hunt in the woods, on the ground, in the on the tangible ground, feet on the ground, in an area that's a known Bigfoot hot spot,
you know, where there's eyewitness reports of this or that. It's much more interesting, is much more edgy your seat interesting to watch that unfollowed on television than you know, a lockdest Monster or Ogo Pogo or Champ hunt in a lake. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, that does. I don't know. I'm not sure why it's but it is. It just is um And maybe in the United States, Bigfoot is also a bigger deal
because it's here. It's it's it's it's people can relate to that it's right here, like lockness monsters a world away, even though you and I both know the topic enough to know there are plenty of lake monsters in North America too, but they're not as famous, you know, og pogo something that you and I know what that means, but that's very obscure terminology to the link. Yeah, lake monsters are very regional, right and and and except
for Lockness Monster, they're all pretty obscure to the average person. Yeah, okay, So if you bring up Champ to the guy at your grocery store tomorrow, he'll be like, what, I never heard a channel. I'll think you're talking about Mike Tyson or something. You know. Um, if you bring up Lockness Monster to the guy at your grocery store, he's heard of that. That's internationally famous, but it's also a world away to him. It's over there in Scotland. Like he he doesn't, he doesn't give
that buck thought it. It's not. It doesn't pique his curiosity or creep him out as much because it feels so removed from his universe. Yeah, Bigfoot feels feels very North American, and the average person United States, I think, feels very connected to that phenomena. They either have seen it. No, somebody who've seen it feel they live near enough to to an area that they could see it. Um, you know, that could happen in any moment happen to night in the way home from the movies. You know
they're there. It's very within the grip of people here in this country. Have you ever had any paranormal experiences? Ghosts or anything like that? Not so much ghost that I am. You know, I've been confident saying to you I think that was a ghost. Little little things, but not something i'd confidently tell you UFO. Yeah, I had what I'm pretty sure was the US in LA by six years ago. I was driving, and I always like when I tell this story, I always like um sort of really
orienting the listener to where I was. So they consider at home and play along with this story. Using their Google Maps, they can street for you and actually take this car ride with me and look at the sky and see what I was seeing. So for those of you playing at home and giving you a second, open your Google Maps. I was driving on Victory Boulevard in Los Angeles through Van Nuys, headed eastbound towards Burbank. So that actually
helped the guy right now at home with this cursor. So I'm driving eastbound on Victory. I approach the corner of Victory and Supulvita Boulevard in Los Angeles. This is in the Van Nuys area of Los Angeles, and I'm heading to like a TV meeting or something, you know, in Burbank and I and I in the distance in the due east sky what appears to me to be like above Burbank basically, you know, which would be probably another twenty
minutes. Driving in front of me to east, I'm seeing little glinting objects in the sky, very high up in the sky, silver objects. They look very very high up, maybe a half dozen of them, moving around each other, changing positions. One goes to the right, one goes to the left, one moves up down sideways, another one goes around this way. They're just kind of moving around each other at what looks like a tremendous height and staying in the same general little area of the sky. And I'm
like, what the hell is that? This is broad daylight in a sunny afternoon, you know. And I'm like, how is that, you know? And it's I'm watching it through the whole light cycle. It's a long light cycle at that corners. I'm watching probably for a few minutes, thinking
this is so weird. I gotta pull over and watch this so I make a right turn onto Sepulvida, and I pull in to a parking lot a block or so away in front of like a paint like a house, paint story, like a story you're buy you know, paint to pay your house. Um, so the guy falling on along on street view right now is probably seeing this paint store. I remember which paint you know, whatever they're called. I forget what the paints are called, but whatever paint brand that
was, you'll see there's a paint store there. And after I made that right onto Sapolvida, I pulled into that parking lot and I parked my car facing due east, and I'm still just watching watching this go on. I'm thinking, like, I want to watch this a little longer and see if they reveal themselves to me as not what I think it is, or it clearly becomes looking a little helium balloons or something to fly nearer to me and I know what it is, and I can just you know, get on
one by day. I end up watching another few minutes. I called my wife teller when I'm watching, and and then both of us look looking at the clock, realized I need to get going, like you know, I've got to be at a meeting, like a two fifteen or something, and it's you know, it's one forty five, that sort of thing. So I'm like, I better just keep driving east, and you know, I'll just keep watching as I drive. I'm still heading the right direction to you
know, I'm heading in the direction it's in. But once I was moving again, and I was a few blocks away from where I was and moving, I lost sight of it. I don't know if it stopped existing or it was just difficult to keep my eyes spotting where it was any longer. As as my position changed slightly, and the tree line and things start coming in here and there. The bottom line is within a few blocks, I no longer be able to keep my eyes on this thing. And it's either
gone or or I can't find anymore. And that ended it. But later on I ended up looking on YouTube at you have vons and it's and I'd used, you know, words that described what I was seeing, like small, very small silver objects moving around each other, tremendous height like you very very seemed very very high up in the air. I used like terminology that would maybe try to pull up something similar to what I've seen. I think I was even typing burbank in LA and the date into my searches, hoping
that someone else films what I saw. I did not find anyone else had filmed what I saw, but I found numerous people had filmed UFO incidents just like what I saw. That what I saw was a like kind of recurring, pretty common UFO sighting in general. I know somebody personally that filmed something. I mean, we argued extensively about it, just because I'm from the perspective of, well, I wasn't there. I here are some possibilities. I mean, I don't know. Maybe you know, it was an optical
illusion. But she's in the Connecticut area and she filmed something that sounds very similar to what you're describing. And it was also during daylight hours. She filmed it with her you know, cell phone, and I don't know, I don't have you know, I can't say that it was a UFO. I can't say that, you know, it's not. Maybe it's a an end act or something flying closer to the camera and it just looks like it's farther away or something. It was too many, it was too many objects
there were silver glinting. It was one of those peak La days, like not a cloud in the sky, sunshine days, and so nothing was obscuring it. It wasn't like ducking behind clouds and then appearing to me again. It was in a cloudless, sunny sky, you know, and it was it was. It was just like things I'd then seen on YouTube when I went looking for similar insince I saw stuff that looked just like what I saw.
So weird, so weird. I mean, especially, you know, with all the UFO stuff going on, all the quote unquote disclosure process happening, and the government acknowledging them and looking into it officially, at least publicly. I mean, yeah, that's that's getting really weird. I remember a friend of mine in the nineties. I had a friend who was really into this topic, and we talked about this stuff all the time until the wee
hours. And this is like when X files with a hit show, and um, there were certain shows that were already on TV that were on this topic. I mean, for as long as you and I have been watching television, there's been things like in Search of and stuff like that, but there weren't there weren't as many shows, there weren't a whole networks dedicated to it. Is like like there is now, you know, um, but but at the time there were some stuff. And I remember he used to
always say to me, they're getting us ready. They are, They're prepping us, they are. There's it's clear that, you know, with things like The X Files becoming a network, mainstream hit television show, that there's some kind of an agenda to condition us and get us ready for the reveal, to prepare us to be able to handle the reveal. And it always sticks with me. Now with all the stuff that you're starting to seek them out in official channels now that he may have been right like and that like
now it's really starting to look like they've up the empty with that. Yeah, they've kind of moved from the fictional world to the non fictional world, you know, and right they're not letting it and not letting it stay just in the in Steven Spielberg's Close Encounters world and in and in you know, documentaries on Travel Channel. There now they're they're going. Also, by the
way, here's some footage the Navy shot. Here's a new thing. The Army just got gout their hands on and they're releasing it in official ways that that you know they're they're they're shooting down things, and we're watching entire weekends of news coverage about something they shot down this weekend. Yeah, that that's that's remarkable. This sort of thing always kind of pauses me in my tracks because I mean, I don't, like I said, this sort of thing
terrifies me. I don't know why it bothers me so much more than the other categories of the unexplained or whatever. But the alien stuff, I mean, are they are? Are we going to see contact in our lifetimes? I mean, is this something? It's sure as hell it's starting to seem
like it. It's sure as hell's starting to seem like it. The the other thing I'm remembering now, back to that house my father had to Upstate New York, is that that area was a known UFO hotbed, that area of upstate, and that I do recall, even in the eighties as a teenager, being aware of Like I may not have been aware of it,
you know that this is a bigfoot area. I had no idea of the Whitehall Monster, never heard of that would never even at that time if you asked a teenage me in nineteen eighty seven, you know what I know about Bigfoot? I would have said that, isn't that like a Pacific Northwest thing. I wouldn't have understood that like Bigfoot, they're Bigfoot, and since all over the country that you could be in Ohio or Michigan, Wisconsin, I
would never understand any of that. So so certainly I didn't stand around Upstate New York as a teenager thinking about, like, there's big foots up here, like I didn't seem like in the realms ofility, but UFOs I was aware of that. I knew that that area is known for UFO incidents. And I definitely, you know, at seventeen, could have been standing on my father's upstate balcony, you know, worried about the clearness of this sky up here and the isolation up here and an alien ins and up there would
have been the kind of thing in my scary day dreams. Yeah, well, David, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your stories with me and everything. Where can people find you, sir? Monstrosity podcast dot com is the main website for the show, and it's ket of you know, all the places that you can find everything about this show. And there's even now a link on Monstrosity to go and collect for yourself all
of the old episodes of comedians talking about Bigfoot. We've stuck them on the Monstrosity Patreon since they were no longer in the public domain, so you know, the original podcast is accessful up there, as well as all the merchant stuff and our social media, so all that's there, and then David Race dot com has all this stuff more and you know in my career directly. All right, thanks a lot, And if you've had an experience with the
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