My name's Matt, and this is Bigfoot Crossroads. All right. I'd like to welcome Troy and Desi to the show. They emailed me a while back about some experiences they had while they were out in the woods, and I wanted to get them on here and have them tell their story because they had some experiences that were very similar to some of the things I've experienced myself back in the day. So Troy and Desy welcome. How are you doing doing well, Matt? Yeah, thanks, Matt, We're doing good. Thanks
for having us. Oh absolutely, Now, whenever I was reading over your email, I mean, call me crazy, but I don't think you guys were just out there, you know, camping and picnicking. I mean, you guys had a purpose while you're out there. You guys come across as maybe some bigfoot researchers. Yes, yeah, we've been. We've been doing it for a little bit. Um. I had some spotted interest over the years. Um. Really, I was more of a skeptic than a believer.
What turned me into it, of into taking the subject a little bit more seriously was as I used to hunt quite a bit, I would had some unusual experiences in the woods. So with that, I would go ahead and said, Chez, you know, this stuff is kind of odd. It's going on. I couldn't really put my finger on what it was. And my background as I've been an engineer for many years, so for me to look at this as a real thing, it was very difficult until that
one night. And as he can fill you in on a lot more, go ahead does yeah, no, um mightbe my you know stories different from trying the sense of I've always, I guess, since I was a child, had a family that raised us to maybe think about things that are more unique in nature, things that you don't see every day as a normal part
of life. And I had a grandfather who really invested a lot of his life and researching different types of things that you really often didn't talk about in the eighties, and so you know, he was really devoted to learning about ghosts and aliens and sasquatch and see creatures and you name it. And he would tell his stories about things that he had read and the purpose of him just really wanting to know what the world already, you know, are holistically
consisted of, aside from the things we just take for granted. And that always stuck with me and a few of my family members and we never really shook it. And I never had, you know, an experienced grand as a kid that made me think this creature may exist. I've had other experiences that they really piqued my interest, but it was one of those things like it never really lost a range of focus in my mind, and it kind
of hung on to me and I wasn't really quite sure. But it was very difficult to find people that wanted to research, learn and invest their time into something like this, and so unique nature of this field really makes it difficult to find others like you. So when you do come across people that consider this as a possibility or a reality, you hold onto them, especially to get along with them. So, yeah, my story is a little bit different than Troy. It is more of how I was raised and to
be looking at the world differently. I think it's good that you guys have different backgrounds and different origin stories whenever it comes to this topic though, because it allows you to look at things from different perspectives, and in this situation, especially where you know, you guys had what sounds like to me a big foot encounter where you're both experiencing the same thing at the same time, but you have those different trains of thought in ways that you go about problem
solving and analyzing the situation. So that can be really helpful. And you're absolutely right whenever it comes to this subject matter, it is hard to find people that share this interest without just seen as a big joke or a waste of time, you know, because a lot of researchers do spend a lot of time and money out of their own pockets, you know. And I'm sure you guys know all about that. How did you How did you end
up at this location? Why? Why were you there? Exactly? It was interesting because I had gone to because of my experiences, I said, you know what, I think I got to dig in a little bit deeper.
So I had gone to a conference, a big foot conference, and I actually ran into Desi there and we kind of talked about it, and there was we started going out to just checking different areas out, and there was this all of a sudden, she called me one night, she goes, you know, hey, you want to take a rundown to this area and check it out in areas in the Green Swamp in Florida, And yeah, sure, Yeah, let's let's go. And we went out there.
What does what time was it that we went out there? Possible? So I think we started on the trail at five thirty am on a Friday. Yeah, yeah, Friday. And it was one of those things where I decided randomly and like maybe it was, hey, I need a I need a break from work the next day, or I can't shake some of the other things I really want to learn more about, and so I thought, maybe I'll take Friday off and let me just see Schroy's available, and you
know what happens. Chance he was, And I mean we had the trip was planned easily within you know, twelve hours. It wasn't like we have this slated for you know, a week a month. It was completely random because usually our experiences when we go out, I'm they're very planned the course of action. So yeah, it was, um, it just happened to be possibly a lucky morning. Yeah, we think it was a lucky morning. It was. It was we ride at the location that are stuffed together.
We went out onto the and actually I had I had night basing from you know, from hunting, right, so I always bring that along. And we went out. We hit the road, Um take it takes to me about an hour to get there where to take you about the same does Yeah, she's an hour fifteen twenty minutes that early in the morning. It's it's pretty smooth, silly, right. Yeah. We're right there, um again, loading up our equipment in our back in our back backs and then
we hit the trail. It was a dirt road and we were out there and and Matt, you kind of hit it on the head. The different perspectives as far as identifying what could be something unusual or not. Dad's heard whistle. She heard a whistle, and I'm blowing that off. I'm like, you know, I've been hunting for years. You know that's a that's you know, I don't even listen those things, right, And I've actually changed my perspective because I have to start listening to the to the smaller things,
a little things. And she stopped me and she goes, I hear whistle, and I'm like, ah, that's that stopping right my hunting things right right. And we go further and we hear it again, and this time I hear it nice and clear, and I'm like, holy Caldy, you're right that's and it's a single whistle. It's not it's not harmonic, it's not it doesn't have a rhythm to it. There's there's nothing bird related to it. We've heard whipper wheels, we've heard owls out there, a
lot of different things, and this was just totally unusual. We went down the road. If you want to jump into a jazz and kind of tell what what what your perspective was, Oh yeah, absolutely so I agree with you trying what Matt said about having two different um perspectives coming into it,
two different sets of eyes and ears. They really do, especially that moment which I think really just take started, you know, our our dynamic together with each other and heightened it so much further from that that morning on. But they were different, um, you know, and and you know my thought was I assumed another person was in the woods. So I I described
it as that sound like a human whistle to me. And you know how you call a dog in or you're just goofing around and it'said, you know, short, short, little whistle like he said, no rhythm, no cadence. Um, it did not sound melodic and didn't not any birds I've ever heard out there at that time of day, very quiet it. Um, yeah, I think it was still dark. Yeah yeah, still dark.
Um. I really thought the reverent people in the woods. And it was odd because where the whistles have come from is a very dense section of the swamp, and a lot of the swamp is very dense and very sick. They forgot to get through terrain in the day that were less than the dark. And so you run through that series of okay, well, our cars were the only ones in the parking lot, okay, real quick, and then you're processing that are we are we? Are we in harm?
Like it's somebody else out here? Like we came at a bad time, you know, like, yeah, there's the element of surprise, but the fear that's said in at least for myself, because I didn't know if we were in danger. That's where my mind had gone. Now, if it was one or two whistles in that moment and nothing else happened, then I know both of us be on the same We play on the same had the
same perspective. Okay, that was probably a bird we never heard, or an insect we've never heard, something unique, and then you move on from it. But it didn't, like Troy said, it kept getting more crystal clear. It was you know, it became so prominent that it it felt like the signaling something or someone. Did it seem like it was actually coming closer or was it in the same location this whole time? This first set that we heard was in the same location, but it seemed like every whistle
got louder, and it definitely got louder, and it was moving. And the interesting thing that blew me away was that as the whistles moved, it stopped whistling from where it was originally located, so the whistles were kind of following us. There was at one point we stopped. I broke out the night vision. I had an old Gen one x X military right, so I broke out the night vision. I'm looking around. I don't see anything. Night visions okay, it's it's not perfect thermal so much better. Anyway,
I didn't see anything. So we sat this one location, maybe I don't know, three or four minutes. We heard a couple more whistles the kick we got up. We kept on going. As we rounded the corner, the whistles not parallel with us, and where we originally heard the whistles. There was no more whistles here, so it had moved parallel to us. We continued a little bit further and if I'm missing something, does go ahead and jump in and there something good. Okay, there's a point where
I'm looking with the night vision. She's got her green head lamp in her in her hands, kind of hanging down from her left hand, and I'm looking with a night vision out and there was a crack, snap, and a whistle and it was it was again. Lot is actually probably just north of us parallel. I'd say about seventy five to one hundred yards, that's what I estimated. And I hear it. I'm like, that can't be a bird. There's no where this burden following us. And then it cracks
something like that, and it's dark. It speaks dark. So at the same time she says to me and she goes, try, what's this? And I turned around and at that point my life changed. There was a footprint, air footprint in the sand on this on this dirt road, and I'm like, I can't believe this. I was dumbfounded because now the reality strikes that this could possibly be something. Yeah, right, exactly. I
was. My logic that I use was totally gone at this point because I'm like, holy cowders, this just could be something as we and I it does jump and I feel like I'm talking a lot here. No, I love hearing a dock because like, this is the ultimate goal of those that believe. It's the things that others may have not at one time. So this is what we It totally converted me at that point. There's this footprint. So we're looking at this footprint, and I say that as that's it.
We're not going to be moving far from here today. Our thing is over. Really, we put our equipment down and we start looking for others. We end up finding thirteen footprints at that location and they met as we measured it. It was six and a half inches long three occussionally three and a half inches wide, did not have the human shape that we normally have with our arch and our foot. It was a flat foot and you could see where the tis actually dug in and pulled the stand up, so there
was motion to it. Uh, there was. We through all the possibilities, Oh could we be could somebody go out here and there's we're in the swamp. There is not swimming areas nearby. The nearest house is probably five are miles away. Now the road at this point, I think we're about a mile from the main road, and of course that's that's going through the middle of the green Swamp area, the middle of the green Swamp area, so we're looking at the semi goring. We're just dumptown it and you can
probably hear to my voice I sometimes I just can't explain it. We measured the tracks. There were thirty six and a half inches in stride heel to heel. I'm sorry, step heal to heel seventy seventy inches approximately sixty seven point five seventy inches the stride right foot the right foot. The angle of date was very narrow. I would say maybe one degree to degrees. We
took all the measurements. We took all the measurements in the what's the last on the um U, I can't remember anyhow, it's a displacement between the right foot and the left foot, and it was almost zero, might be an inch or two might all the criteria of what we would say a big
footwear date. And that totally blew me away. DESI, I mean, what what was your initial thought process whenever you look down and saw this, you know, the thing the jump definitely jumped out the most was the way the toads had had dripped the trail, and the trail like you know, try Saint's you know, it's it's a type of afforda trail. So for us, um sand and shell. Uh, you know, it is not very deep. I think what the end underneath of this trail's like play substrate
or something like that. So it's very difficult to leave six impressions. We rarely see boots on the trails because it's it's just not that type of material that's easy to let you know, the lenk something behind And so that jumped out of me. And everything had happened so fast up to that point, so I think there's like that series of um, you know, oh my goodness, is is that really what that is? And if it is, where are they at right now? They watching us? You know, they're
curious creatures, They're they're probably watching us. Um what are we missing as we look down? You know, like what are you doing that moment? Because you can't freeze time right and um, I could not I honestly could not believe it. I couldn't believe the whistles after we had first heard them, and then when they followed us up the path, I couldn't believe it was still they were a paralleling us, but they were in an area that's
very difficult to get through, and we didn't hear any motion. We heard nothing breaking, you know, branches or palmettos or salt grass. It was just that crack and that the crack snaff and the whistle that really that's when you spot. Yeah, that was like the last thing we had heard that had any type of motion to it when we would have seen that first.
And what was interesting was that man, the whistles continued on. They didn't stop once they continued on and passed us, so we could hear them further to the west, because they were heading from east to west further to the west, and we left out one part or couldn't take out. The tracks came up and the track that the desert spotted was the last track. The other ones had turned around and gone back the other way. So what we
were thinking was the adults or the adult was in the woodline. I don't know what they're doing in the woodline, whether they were hunting or just moving through it. And the juveniles, the tracks that we spotted were on the road, goofing around or plane or whatever they were doing. Once the whistle started, they turned around went the other way, and that's why when we
followed we went further west we found more tracks. We ended up finding I think a total of nineteen tracks total, tracks coming east and then tracks going west, and the whistle continued west. So we believe that there this was after hunting heat season. We believed that the juveniles were coming east towards the
towards the adults. Adults saw us come in. When they contact with them, they were whistling, and then they turned around went the other way, and the adults went by us and met up with the with the juveniles. At some point, it was just the whole thing was just mind boggling. At that point, it was very difficult to the process. I was going to ask where all the tracks that you found from the same individual. Yeah, So they were two different sets of tracks, and they were identical in
length and width in both of the first set. In the second set, now, we did come across what we believe we're not sure. It looked like there was some knuckle tracks. And originally I got and I heard knuckle tracks, and they we only saw maybe two of them. And I thought knuckle tracks when when a neighbor or would run on their knuckles, I thought it was the actual knuckles. But it's actually the fingers, right, the
first joint of the fingers hitting round. Yeah, and there was actually what we saw was that when we saw the tip of the thumb where the thumb would go on the side. Somebody we had showed some of the photos of the tracks to another person and they had seen the They believe that they see a smaller track that Stewart. I don't know whether it's you know, I have to start seeing some stuff in the stand, things start looking like track.
There wasn't nothing of an impression for me to say that that was a track and name the same belt, you know, the only one got picked up by the other one. They turned around, they went the other way. I don't, I don't. I don't buy into that yet. It's there's too much to believe that that happened. But who knows, you know, who knows. But I can definitely tell you those were tracks were there.
They're heading east and they went back west. The whistles continued west and we stayed there and measuring all those tracts, and it was just absolutely amazing. I was just gonna say, what makes the whole scenario of heading towards us and then turning background even more compelling is there is a moment of transition on that trail. So you saw are we saw stuff shuffling marks. So the pair heading towards you, and then there was a shuffle where they transitioned
to went the opposite direction. Wasn't just like they stopped, turned around went they Actually there was motion that was presented as well within that whole area, and that I mean to me, that made it extra special. And we were able to see that easier because the way it kicked up the sand and shell and brought up a darker consistency of the trail that was highlighted compared to
the rest of the trail because it was dug up. Earlier, you mentioned when you came around the curve in the trail this track, it was after the curve. How far after the curve do you think you were out of sight of the juvenileland? Then as you approached this curve, the adults may have realized like, hey, they're coming towards that curve, let's warn it. Yes, yep, that's what we think happened. Yea, yeah, distance wise, I mean, what would you say, Troy? From that?
The second set of whistles that we heard for probably the more dominant um alerts of like, okay, if they're still on there, they need to go. I mean, there's they play everything so safe right in there, so strategic and where they present themselves. So my mind immediately thought the first set is what signals to them to make a change, But um, maybe
that wasn't. Maybe like there's humans down here, but you're okay. And then when they saw we made a left and we didn't make it right because where the trail beers to the leftist curber we're talking about, we would have the option to go to the right, but it was it was more of a um, you know, it's not as well maintained trail, so that's a little more difficult in the dark. But um, maybe that was the
final call. Possibly, yeah, that could have been. But we were also thinking that, well, where they're distracting, that's initially in contacting the other ones with the whistle because it stopped us. We stopped twice on that on that road. We stopped once because we heard the whistle. We discussed it, and then we went up further. Then we heard it prominent, and then we stopped for three or four minutes as they came up and paralleled
us. And then we continued on and they continued paralleling us. And at that point that's when we found that track, after the final before after we found that the track, and we didn't move any further that that final crack
and whistle there at that location. We're stopped at that point, and as the whistles continued further west, we were working on the tracks and we were using that green headlamp, and without that green headlamp, and without us being that at night, I'm not sure we wouldn't seen those tracks because as the light came up, we started losing the tracks in the light because with the green headlamp we get shadows. We had shadows there at night, so as
the light came up, you got flooded. The shadows disappeared, and it's very difficult to spot the tracks. That sounds very difficult, but it was difficult to spot the TLAs. You could have easily overlooked them had it been daylight, absolutely, no question. Now question plus, Matt, you have these wildlife management trucks, service trucks that go down this trail um maybe just
to check on the environment how many times a day? So anything that's on there, more than likely if it didn't leave a mark or a track, it gets destroyed by these trucks. Now, is this an area that has like a history of big Foot activity? Yeah, so the Green Swamp itself, there's like one hundred, one hundred and ten thousand acres of swamp, and then the entire um, you know, like the around the entire dimensions
is fibering sixty thousand acres of wetlands. So monkst that area. I think big Footmapping project has nine I think different accounts, ranging from fightings to audio so you know, per square mouth to me, in my opinion, based on a lot of our things, I've learned in this state, and I'm not originally from here, so there's still a lot of learning to do us. That's a nice amount, and we've had people tell us things and they've never reported it. So those nine are the only ones that are been reported
either through the bfr O or directly the big Foot mapping projects. So you know, proximity the protected land that arrogetsive with a lot of precipitation, just like those of the state does itself. That is, you know, outskirts of where a lot of people live. You know, I think there's a lot of factors, the wildlife, all of that kind of point to that would be a safe place to reside, especially when it's not hunting season.
And this location that you were at, was it just a situation where you were just like, hey, I think this might be a good spot to go. That's a really good question too. So there's like one, two, three, four, it's like easy, four or five different trails to go through the Green Swamp and one to State Park has several trails over there, but this one was one I always favored. So when I had started
going out and hiking. You can get to this trail through an entry that's it's like the main entry point in a city in Pascal County, and that's where a lot of people go. It's it's the main main site. There's pavilions up there, picking tables, um, a lot of people go up there and just start to hike that way. Where we catch up with this is on the back end of it, where not many people go. It's
like I said, you'll have surface workers come through. There'll be some people there, but it's very minimal track compared to the managerm So I always like that because of the privacy, the low key nature, the lack of people being there, it presents a lot of opportunity for wildlife to thrive. Honestly, there is a pond there. It seems to be the largest pond in the green Swamp that would probably naturally bring in a lot of things just in
general. So I always just had that as one of my most promising spots with research that I was doing and recommendation that occurred from other big footers of a place to go. And I think leaning up to that moment for me and then us as a team, that really solidified us. That solidified to us that this was a place to be, not knowing that's what we were walking into that morning, but that's why you do it. You are get
into it hoping something like that happens. Right the green Swamp historically, yeah, you know, well known in the Bigfoot world as a prime habitat. Look, lots of stories come from the Green Swamp. I remember whenever I first started getting involved, I used to hear people talk about the Green Swamp all the time. There's a couple older, prolific researchers, you know, from the area that the Green Swamp was kind of their stomping grounds, and
uh, you know, I wanted to talk about for a second. You know, you mentioned the Bigfoot Mapping Project, which is a great resource for researchers especially, But I just had a conversation this past week with somebody on Facebook that was looking for information about Bigfoot sighting locations in eastern Texas, and I was kind of taken back because I was just like, well, you know, this was a researcher, and I was like, well, yeah,
there's tons of information about eastern Texas. I mean, there's a lot of researchers, there's a long, long history of sightings. I didn't,
you know, why are you asking? And they were just talking about how, well, there's not really that much out there, and so like I went to the BFR ro roal Fast and there's like, you know, I don't know, we were two hundred and fifty sightings from Texas recorded on the BFRRO and then the Bigfoot Mapping Project has a bunch and everything, and I just got into this conversation with them about you know, well, as a researcher, you can't completely depend on sighting reports. You know, they're they're
a nice resource, but you kind of have to do the legwork. You got to put boots on the ground and get out there and investigate areas on your own and kind of figure out where to go, which sounds like is exactly what you're doing. But as far as the numbers and the concentration that you were talking about being good numbers in that area of the Green Swamp, I agree. One people don't really stop to think. You know, most of the time the people that have bigfoots are skeptics. It's not the researchers.
Where are the tiny minority of sightings. It's people that you know, see one crossing a road or encounter one while they're out camping or hunting, and then they have their world rocked, everything changed in an instant. Most of them don't have the presence of mind to then rush home and get on the internet and search out a research organization that takes sighting reports and fill out
the forms and everything. And then if they do that, then it still has to go through the whole process and it may or may not ever get published on the internet. I would say we would be lucky to maybe get even ten percent of the actual sightings documented and found on the internet, and that may be a very generous number. What are your guys's thoughts on that? I do you hit the nail on the head into Naden not don't interrupted
chice, No, no, you're good said. We went to a conference, well, I mem I went to a conference just recently, a couple of week times ago, and Jeff Meldourne was there, and he was talking about formulae. He uses. Part of the formulatives he's forming like populations, and part of the formulas is he uses number of secret sightings, b fr O mapping project things like that. And we were standing around talking about the footprints that that that me and Jazz had found a sighting from another gentleman.
I know somebody else that finds foot prints and this is all you know, and they've never been reported and here we are, you know, three or four people sitting there with sightings, footprints, things like that, and they've never been reported. So he came up with a number, and let's dog your ten percent, like you said that was approximately what was it seventy eight? I think it was does is that right in Florida? That's right, That's where he came up with, Well, we got to multipply that.
We multipply that by what mine or ten at least, so you're looking at a lot more population here, and what's what's suspected about there? Yeah, and Meldrum's the red are the data points he used and they all make good sense where he's an inte intelligent man, like just brings so much to the field. And I feel like we're going to be really really behind on having scientists that support or contribute or even listen to what you have to say.
Um, after he moves on to anything else or moves on to another life per se. But um, what he used, I mean, it all makes good sense. He used precipitation, he used force cover, wildlife back black bear population, the sightings, um, and I'm like you missing one or two Like there's a uh, you know, there's a proximity the closest city or cities it all, it all makes really good sense. Um, but yeah, that lack of reporting and for one of a thousand different reasons
that you mentioned that the fear, the uncertainty. Uh, nobody wants to be ridiculed. I mean, it's it's the it's the truth, you know. And um, for us that that have these opportunities to get out there
is sometimes as often and unfortunately sometimes infrequently we can't get out there. Um. You know you're looking for all those things that set those experiences apart from your your typical hike in the woods, and that is from you know, experiencing that that area of getting so comfortable with it, geting comfortable with the wildlife, even incomfortable for the things that you hear when you can't see them. Um, you know that's all. That's all part of that journey.
But then you know, researching things and reading and listening and finding people to share these experiences with that you trust and value, and that is tough. That's that's a tough part of it. But every little piece that you give to others and what you get in return just continues to help you learn and grow and build this knowledge base of this field that is just so uniquely amazing
and addicting, super addicting, very very addicting. Sometimes I wish I never saw the tracks, because ever since then, you know, there hasn't been i'd say, waiting a moment where I haven't been thinking about big Foot, researching big Foot, thinking about the experiences that we've had after that, because we continue our research in that area and expanded about further and further we're pursuing. Actually currently, I came across um some whistles and then that we that
were very similar to what we had heard before. And I can't nail it down to a bird. Um does I've give him? Does the recordings? She can't nail it down to a bird. She was out there with us were we went out there a daily day and we heard the whistles again. And the interesting part about about these whistles is that it's in another area very close, and they have they keep on moving away. So for example, I encountered the film it at one location south of a of a of a
pond, and he moved further south. I keep on going out there looking for tracks through more whistles, and actually heard two soft knocks in that area. What I mean by soft knock is that it's knock, but it's very soft, and it's it's kind of unusual because normally you think you get it nice crisp knock, but it seems like, you know, I'm using my imagination and I believe, and I have to be still careful because I don't
want to get sucked down that hole because it's easy to do. But logically, I felt like the soft knock and the whistles, they're communicating with each other, and I think by me entering your area, they keep on getting pushed further south and south. And then it stopped. I hadn't heard whistles for what was it does three or four months like that? Yeah? Usually, yeah. And then we went through we got to the south side of a swamp. We were kind of stuck at the swamp for thing at the
time, thinking that they're in there somewhere. We got through the south we got through the swamp to the other side, and all of a sudden, we start hearing the whistle again. And it's the same style, very short Chris whistle and multiple locations. And for that just to happen and the stop
to me, that's not a bird. I wouldn't know of any animal, a bird light that would just kind of have whistles all of a sudden, from all of a sudden, three or four different birds start whistling together, and it's a single whistle, no no harmonics, no no rhythm to it. And then they stop. And that's the bizarre thing. Maybe it's something, Maybe it's a bird that we just don't know. Is it just a
single tone, a single tone short? And it's multiple locations, And I would think that a bird would continue with some sort of melody, some sort of rhythm, but no, it doesn't. And the odd thing is is that whether the whistles are at first encounterable, they're not. I don't hear the whistles there at all anymore. And they keep on moving in the direction I'm kind of when I come in further and further away from me or the areas that I'm I'm working, I'm looking and go ahead. I was gonna
say this, don't forget to mention too. In addition to you being a wild life photographer, so you spend a lot of time in the woods photographing and taking videos, you also submitted that audio to a respectable you know, gentleman in the audio realm of this research, and his response it was interesting. Yeah, his response is, and and here we are. I'm four miles out, middle of nowhere, right this area that mean dees are and we're in the middle of nowhere. And he comes back as, Oh,
it's mechanical. It's mechanical. But I get it. It's just like melodrome, and you know, you have to take information that you're given and look at it for what it is. But it's not mechanical. There's no way to mechanical. And the other thing on top of it is that it's some sort of animal bird. I don't think it's saying kind of an animal I've ever heard, but the close that you would have to be a bird or
a big foot has to be one or the other. But why would a bird give up an area because you're in there all you're in there walking through I've never heard of a bird give up an area. They're usually go back in the after leagues you're running through them again. But these things move, and they moved what was that half mile quarter a lot more further than quarter mile, It steady half mile to a mile now and the most recent time we were out there as well, which unfortunately we got stock in a very
very severe pop up storm that was not planned. We would have been out there. Can happen? What's that we're doing that overnighter? Yeah, yeah, we were really attempted to do anothervernighter. We got washed out. But um that that night was the first night that I heard them in person, had only heard them based on his recordings, and they did. Um. If it is a bird, it's bird's fly fast. We get that.
Um. So from one point to the next that could happen, but it was just so unique of how quick it happened in several different locations in this area. As she's explaining that we're pushing possibly pushing this creature a bird or bird family for their direction, but they were spot onto what he recorded that I had never heard of before. Yeah, I was. I was getting concerned she wasn't there. She wasn't believing me at some point because I she
go out, there wasn't me and there wouldn't be a sound anymore. That the listles weren't there. And this once we broke through the swamp back to the other side, the whistles were there. So I was just I was very happy that she got the hero. I was just gonna say, Troy, I got your back, man. I mean, you know, there's a lot of people talk about whistling. It's something that I've specifically encountered numerous
times. And there's certain things that are attributed to these creatures where I require very specific situations before I'll entertain the thought that it might actually be related to them. For instance, treebos. I don't pay attention to treebos unless they're pinned to the ground by something and it was placed there specifically, and I can't figure out an answer, and there's no possible way that the tree grew that way or anything like that, which a lot of trees do grow that
way. There's a lot of things that can cause treebos. But another thing is the whistling. And I won't entertain whistles unless they are a single tone whistle like a person would whistle. There's only so many birds that live in that area where you guys are at, where you guys are going, and of that list of birds, there's only so many birds they're going to vocalize at nighttime. Birds typically don't do that because then they tell predators where they're
at. So most birds roost down for the night, they don't make any noise. There are a few exceptions to that rule, but the amount of birds that will be vocal at nighttime goes down significantly, and then it's just a matter of you know, going and listening to those bird calls. And if you can't find the solution, then that whistle has to be at least a possibility that it's not a bird, which means, okay, well what
else can whistle? A human or as we suspect, bigfoot. And I can tell you now the situation that I've been in where I was paralleled by something that was doing a single tone whistle repeatedly within thirty yards of my position. Forty yards of my position. It wasn't nighttime yet, it was dusk. It was getting very dark, but there was still daylight left, and I could not see what it was. And it definitely was not a bird. It definitely was not a person. I would have seen either one of
those. At some point, the bird would have had to a fly between the trees and I would have caught it flying. A person would have had a walk between the trees. I couldn't see anything, and there was anything over there, but woods that's just a personal experience I've had with the single tone whistle up close. And then there's been other times whenever I've heard recordings of them, I've been with other people and we've heard them. So yeah, I would say that, you know, based on the behavior, which
is this is something I tell a lot of people. It's not just a whistle. It's the whistle with the movement, the location, the limb cracking, the finding of the tracks, all of that together paints a picture. And that's what we're looking at here, not just is this a bird. Absolutely, I told Matt, I totally agree with you. And we took what was over a month, thirty forty five days trying to debunk all of this. The footprints, I mean we in research, we preferred researched shoes
that had the toes on them. Yeah, yeah, and they all have they all have a tread tool, you know, and these things were flat. It was a flat foot and there's no tread, and you could see where the toes had had actually worked and dug in so that that was eliminated. And we went through a lot of different scenarios and the measurement. We've been looking at the age of the measured or grand tie. I've measured my
grandkids foot. You know, he's he's four years old, foot is six months is long, right, And now we're thinking, okay, so there's a toddler out there running around, there's no way. Yeah that has a three foot step. Yeah, I mean I if I took a big step, it would be three feet, you know, that's exactly. And I've
got a size thirteen. So yeah, I think that's one of the more impressive things about it is actually, you know, the size of the foot in comparison to the stride, because in my opinion, that rolls out of human at that point too. Yeah, all of those things wrapped in the one. I mean, that's entire experience from start to finish, and then
the period of time afterwards that you're a grouping and determining um. But this legit happened like that entire thing is that, aside from seeing one that's part in my opinion that that's probably as good as asks where we were at that time, and it was beautiful and scary and just everything in between those two words. And when we do say we researched and we try to disprove it.
I mean, we were reading articles about chimpanzees that we're losing. We were looking how close Over Springs was to that area that they make their way south. Could that have happened? You know, everything, everything you could think of. Because we owe what UM to everyone before us. We owe
it's everyone after us. We owe it's you mad, all the hardworking podcasters and people that dedicate their lives to something that we don't ever really know in this lifetime we may come across, but we owe it to them to not put something out there that we're not quite sure maybe what we're hoping it will be. UM. It's it's just not how, it's not how you work. Right. If you care about this as much as the three of us do, you you do due diligence because it's it's the best thing, the
most respectful thing to do in this community. Because we want to we want to support this research as positively as we can. We don't want to go backwards, you know, we don't. We don't want to, you know, start all this over again. It just doesn't make any sense. And your comments about the tree bows and structures and things like, we're on the same page. If you. I mean, we live in Florida and a hurricane season half to damn the year hair. You know, you trees are
blown over all the time. Things are doing really weird things, and you can't say that stuffs legit something else if you didn't see some people do it, or you can't figure out a reason of why that happened, that's natural, right. And on top of that, I would be for personally, if I find some sort of tree structure, it better be very big, very heavy, and it better have footprints underneath it. Without that, I'm going to have a real hard time because there's so many times a tree will
come down, or a couple of trees who will intersect some way. You just can't arenactually going to take for it. That's like the last thing that I go to. I mean, even like these whistles, you know, we're still don't know what they are. These whistles that that we're currently choosing, we don't know what they are, the whistles that night. We have evidence that kind of links them together, we have the movement that links it all together. But what we're chansing now, we're hoping is a group.
We're hoping that it's a small family unit that tree of fort different people and at three or four different big foot in it, and that we can eventually you know, make contacts somehow and get some video or photos or that. I mean, that's that's that's the goal, to prove it and see it for ourselves. So now that you've had this experience and you've found these tracks, and you've heard these things, and you've you know, I think correctly
reached the decision that yeah, this was a big foot. It probably was. But what what's the next step? Where do you go from here? Well, I can tell you that as we started off this conversation earlier tonight, the amount of time that that that we have invested has gone up expidentially. The money that we've done on it has gone exponentially. You know, we have a ton of equipment now. We go out at night, we go out during the day, um and we're in the middle of the works.
You know, there's a lot of things. We carry, bear spray, we carry protect protection because we're not sure where we're going to get into sometimes with with other animals out there. But we go out there looking, listening, and we spend a lot of time in the words, we get into it, into the area, and we spend a lot of time in this one area because of we've got some other things that they're leading us, such as the whistle. So we we're chasing that down and hopefully we'll come
to a conclusion on the whistle sometime soon. We've been at that part for a very long time, so we're continuing to look. We're continuing to investigate, research and just build our own knowledge. I think it's what is it McCauley, Just is it McCauley says that we use for the sounds is a database. I think it's um Merlin. That's that's an app that we that we also use. Yeah, the app can't The app can't pick up there's
not enough ristles or tones or rhysles. It doesn't it doesn't do anything, you know, and normally with it, that's a very good app, the Merlin app to identify birds. I don't know if you can use that map, but typically you are there to hit that turn that app on a bird in the area that's wisdom or cleaving or whatever. They can tell you what it is, and it just won't tell me because there's not enough information because it's just a single whistle and there's no again, no harmonics, no rhythm,
no melody to it. But yeah, so we're just that's what we're doing. We're chasing down. When we get reports from other people that they've had a sighting, I like to talk to them and that the as much information that they can. So in the future if we have an experience, well at least we have that information that will go along way. Uh you know, as far as another encounter on what would be what happened with these
people. One guy we've spoken to, he was out hunting and actually was going through some big palmettos, came into an opening and he had told me that the same went off. He was in the thick palmettos on the other side. It was very close. It started telling that he's out screaming. They can all sorts of noise, and he was sprossed. He stared that
thing or what to do, and finally the same went off. He walked back into the woods and what he suspects happens that he surprised it and it was fearful and it just put on a big display and then it moved off. So I'm expecting something like that someday to occur, and I want to make sure that as we get into this, that we have some sort of experience or at least knowledge of what may happen, so that we don't do the wrong thing and have a cab an issue. Does he? Whenever this
is all said and done, what do you hope to have accomplished? You don't want to So I've had been asked this, I don't know five ten different times, and as odd as this may sound, for me to say it out loud again and know that people will be listening to this sometimes soon is and I know like choice point of just saying we don't know we're getting ourselves into as you've gotta it's gotta have an open mind, but you also have to have each other's back and be on guard and have the right protection
and just expecting unexpected. But the most amazing thing would be if we had an opportunity to actually and this may sound cheesy, I'm just going to say it, really build a relationship. If there's a pause, a family group that live in that area for as often as we have spent in this location, and if they are as intelligent as we believe they are and they are still there. They definitely know our sinse, they definitely know our sounds. They have to know it all. And we have never once done anything,
um, that would have been remotely aggressive to any animal. But we've come across and we've come across a lot of animals that could have been very very dangerous to both of our livelihood or both of our well being. And you know, we just chose the smarter route of what we do in those moments. But to build a relationship and too, you know whatever that really means. You know, if it's we're leaving things behind, if we if we leave any food, you know, we're smart about it. We're leaving food
that's good for for every type of animal out there. We're not leaving rappers, We're not leaving garbage in the woods. We're leaving you know, holistic food that we know that they can eat and it would be taken care of. And um, you know, I if this is true and they've been they've been here way longer than all of us have. Um. You know, this this land was theirs first, and you know it's and and maybe
their land in the last at the end as well. I don't know so, Um, I've just kind of I've been raised in a way to you know, just kind of do your best in the world and hope that that comes back to you, give your best of the world of how that comes back to you. And I hope you know, these beings when we're out there, they feel that they feel that love and that care and um, I don't know compassion that I have or something that at one point possibly dominated
what we took from them. And yeah, that's that's that's really my perspective, and I know it's it's probably uniquely different than most people that you'll talk to. Um, that's that's just speaking from the heart. He does. I've been leaving twinkies when you do thed No, you can't have diabetic big foot. Um, yeah, yeah, I heard. I just want an experience, a visual experience where I can see them. That's what I'm after.
That's for me, that that's the fish thing now because of everything we've we've we've experienced so far, all the circumstances, the footprints, the whistles, all of that that kind of come together. I'm looking for that visual confirmation. That's what I'm looking and Matt, I'm okay, without having a visual just you know, I think your answers sum up perfectly how this whole
conversation started about the different perspectives. Yeah, you know, both of you are very much individuals with you know, unique mindsets, but you bring different tools to the table, and you guys have found a common ground in a way to work together with this, uh you know, singular passion that both of you share, and I think that's a big factor to all of this, a big key whenever it comes to studying these things and being a researcher
and proof that regardless, bigfooters can get along. Damn it, we really can. So I would really like that. Well, I appreciate you guys coming on and sharing your story and what's going on with you guys, and I would like to continue the conversation again sometime if that's okay with you. You guys, in my opinion, are on the right track, no pun intended. I believe the three of us are definitely on the same page.
And I not only want to stay in the loop, but you know, I want to offer this show as a platform for you guys to share your evidence as you come across it in the future. Yeah, that's terrifict man. You have a you have an awesome show. I really enjoyed an interviewer. I love the way you work with them, all the intervieweezes. Absolutely I appreciate it. Thank you bad and you know, if it's okay, well we'll send you I'll send you some pictures of the things we're talking about.
The help en a bigger picture for you in the story we discuss tonight or the experience we discuss tonight. Yeah, for sure. I'd like to post them, you know, on the YouTube channel with the show and let everybody see exactly what we're talking about. You guys got some great stuff and I really do appreciate you coming on here and sharing. Thank you so much. And if you've had your own Bigfoot encounter or an encounter with anything you
can't explain, send me an email at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links at the social media contact forum and everything you need all in one place. And until next time, remember there's something in the woods.