Ep:64 Strange Lights In The Sky

This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt. First, I want to say thanks to everyone who listens and supports Bigfoot Crossroads. If you're listening on an app like Apple or Spotify, please take a second to leave a rating on a comment. It really helps me out. I have a very very special guest with me on Bigfoot Crossroads for this episode. He is a gentleman that

I've come to know quite well over the past several months. I could say that he's somewhat even changed my life, certainly changed my perspective on quite a few things. He is someone that I would have liked to have met twenty years ago. But first I want to give a special shout out to my good friend Robert Dominguez over at Bigfoot Club podcast. Robert just celebrated his one hundredth episode, him and Stephen and they had an amazing guest on by the

name of Matthew Reginald Nappers. That's his alias for Bigfoot Club. They had me sit in for their one hundredth episode. We had a great time. Check him out if you haven't done so already, But enough about them. My guess tonight, Oh man, how do I even introduce you? Man, you know, because I feel like I'm kind of on the spot because of the way that you introduce people. I don't think I can do it justice, so I'm not going to try. DJ of calling All Beans Podcast

Welcome to big Foot Crossroads. Oh, I got to say, what's up? Rich? Yeah, Stephen Demingez coined me Matthew Reginald Nappers, and it's stuck. Oh man, Yeah, I feel like the Monopoly man every time I say it. But I need to have like a monocle and a top hat with me. That is some kind of special man, I dig it,

my man. One love to you, Matt Nap. Those very very nice kind words that were unexpected to say the least from an original gangster of Bigfoot in somebody who's been in the game longer than I. So thank you very much. Brother. Oh totally true, sir, totally true. So let's kick this thing off with the UFO stuff. I mean, that's kind of your main wheelhouse, I think. But first I want to hear about

your background. I think you have an amazing resume just as a human being, and I think it kind of paints a picture of who you are as a person. So if you don't mind introducing yourself to my listeners and talking about who is DJ, what makes him tick, where did he start out, and just work your way towards the present. Okay, I'll try to

make this real quick. Crew up on a ranch in New York, dude ranch type situation, did a lot of stuff around horses and around the ranch growing up, and found out, or at least was earmarked sometime in middle

school as a specialized student. That may or may not have been because my dad threatened one of the teachers and got me kicked out of the school district or not, But for better or for worse, I was a special student there from middle school and then up through high school, which I went to two high schools, freshman and senior year in New York, my hometown,

and sophomore junior in Florida. But I was able to overcome that through a lot of positive reinforcement from my high school classmates, whom I have a podcast with today. In fact, we did our podcast last night, and sort of they got myself into sports, where I got a lot of reinforcement. Ended up playing college football even though I had never played football in my life, and then got into the Air Force, was a maintainer for about eight

years. But I went and got my pilot's license while I was a maintainer in the Air Force, and then put in for flight school and eventually got it. And there was a job called flight engineer. You could sort of sit in between the pilot and the co pilot. You learned all about aerodynamics and aviation and system aircraft systems, and you ran different calculations and systems that we needed flying tactical infilight tration, ex filtration, air drop and resupply for

special ops forces. And that was the crux of most of my Airforce career was doing that. And I'm still with Assock today as a civilian. So I retired in about a decade ago, a little more than a decade ago, maybe eleven years ago. And you started out in special ed yep. Ye. If that doesn't say the system's broken, I don't know what does.

Yeah. It's just really a lot of positive reinforcement from my classmates that um that made me believe that I could do something and got into a college, junior college, you know, barely, but I got in and then proved myself there in the classroom and then on the field, and then that just you know, led the way to other things. I start to just believe in myself more and more so, so yeah, that that that's me.

And then the as far as the broadcasting, it started out with MMA I was part of when I was in the Air Force at my last duty station, I became a training partner for some young MMA guys on the base and then I kind of became their coach. And then when everybody disbanded to separate bases, I started the podcast for MMA, which was probably two thousand and nine or twenty ten, I just can't remember the exact year. I got to nail that down one of these days, and that was it.

I just fell listened to this thing called SRDOG Radio Network, really fell in love with their style, and that's where I get this whole roundtable businesses from

them them, and and that was it basically. And then one day, you know, I saw that David Fraber, the pilot from the Navy who had disclosed that he had a UFO sighting, and it got to the New York Times and Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal wrote about that incident with the nimits and then um, because they saw the video that the encompassed it, which they got through Uh, Christopher Melon and Luell Zando, And I said, well, if he could talk about his UFO incident, I could talk about

my mind. That was really a nothing burger. But uh, and then I just changed my format to UFOs and from that I found out about Bigfoot through Nathan And now we are a as you know, because you're part of it is we are a UFO Bigfoot and paranormal show calling all beans. That's right. And I'm a yoga teacher, got to say that. Yeah,

and your race motorcycles and long distance runner and long distance swimmer. I mean, come on, dude, you're so humble, You're you do like all these amazing things in life, and you just always treat them like they're going to the grocery store. Yeah. I'm not really good at anything, but I do sort of mess around with a lot of different things and have fun in that diversity, So greatness escapes me in anyone. See, that's where

I disagree with you. You know, some people consider greatness, you know, being great at something, But from my perspective, a lot of your greatness is just the act of doing it. To begin with. I mean, you're talking to somebody who's never even laid eyes on the ocean. Okay, and if I did, I ain't getting in the water. I can promise you that. You know, I've seen enough video footage to know better.

But you just, you know, you're just like a fish. You're out there just swimming, you know, with the sharks all the time. Like how many times have we been on the phone, Like I've gotten off the phone because you're getting ready to getting to the ocean. That's insane. I do wear a shark band though, that's supposed to throw off their radar, So I say, oh yeah, has that been scientifically tested? Have

we seen proof of that being effective? I mean, I got some refrigerator magnet's like a tape to my ankles, but it's not gonna get me in the ocean. It's not a terrible idea, man. That could have been a low cost alternative. Yeah, the ninety bucks apiece. So anyway, well as you call it a nothing burger, Uh, let's hear your UFO

story. Give me all the deats man, what happened? So essentially, and I have a photo that I cann and get and send you it's on my computer where you can see the line of sight where we were looking. And if I remember correctly, there, you know, there was a big UFO flap in the Hudson Valley of New York in the eighties, which is where I'm from them from the Hudson Valley Hendry Cutson School District. Yeah.

In fact, my school is named after the Hudson So anyway, we were I thought it was going to be the last time that we were going to be on the ranch, and I was moving to Florida, and we had packed up the house. And one of the kids who used to come to the ranch his parents, his mom worked there, and we were just always together on the ranch. Great great guy named Kenny Good. He came up

to visit me for a last time. And we were walking back from the ranch, which sat in a little bit of a valley up the hill towards the main road, and my house was basically across that main road at about a forty five angle. So we're just coming up the hill and talking and

it was a Sunday night, pretty quiet on the ranch. I'm not I don't remember if the loudspeaker, usually the loudspeaker with a local radio station was running twenty four hours a day on the ranch, but quiet, meaning no people, and we saw this amazing trove of lights rise above the tree line that you know, elicited a response to something like, holy blank, that's a UFO and he probably said the same thing I did. And we just

stared at it and it floated the other direction away from me. So we're seeing the rear aspect of a craft and I can't make out a shape or any just the lights alone were just so bizarre to see that because it was quite dark. I lived out. I mean, this is in the country and at some point, and I can send you a Google map, but where my house was so you can see, but it's it's it's not a place that's very lit up. There's not a lot of street lights or anything

like that where I lived. I don't even think there is today. I don't think it's any different today than it was back then. So so so that happened, and then we just kind of made the decision, Hey, I'm not gonna tell my parents because they're not going to believe me, and then I'm gonna get upset, and you know, we kind of went to sleep, and then just talked about it the next morning, I think, and real briefly, but just didn't want to come clean with it. And

I didn't talk about it too for the next forty years. I mean I didn't well, yeah, probably forty years or so. I didn't talk to my wife about it or my parents or anything like that. So that's about it. Not very compelling. So how many lights were there? What color

were they? Were they blinking not blinking? Like now that you've you got older and got into the Air Force and everything, so you've become familiar with all types of aircraft, I'm sure sure, Like, yeah, now you know now as a trained absurd, it would be a different experience looking at it. And the length of time was so brief because the direction it floated was so if you read any of the Hudson Valley UFO books and anybody out

there that is interested in UFOs that is one of your fans. There's one called Night Siege written by doctor j Allen Heinik, who was the Air Force's chief scientist for a Project blue book, and he co wrote that with two other less famous gentlemen. And then my friend Linda Zimmerman, who lives across the Hudson River from where I'm from. She's written four or five books on

UFOs in the Hudson Valley. She actually interviewed a high school friend of mine and her family because they all saw it at sort of backyard barbecue during the day. I saw a triangular UFO. So Linda has four or five books,

so there's a lot of UFOs. There are a couple of stories that Linda documented over this place called the Croton Reservoir, which would provide water for like New York City from where we were from, and it's not very far from my house, just a couple of miles, and this craft seemed to be headed in that direction, and so I didn't see it for more than a couple of seconds. And then all you were seeing was skyglow and not even the actual lights on the craft. I couldn't tell you what color.

But when I looked at it, You're thinking, this looks like a close encounters thing. It's just like you're just thinking, like this is not real. Is this really happening? Like that's you know, it's one of those mad if that makes sense. But it was so brief, which is why I don't tell the story that often because there's really not a lot to tell compared to other people that have a protracted experience this whole thing. You know,

I've always had an interest. You know, you've recently heard my own UFO story, which is also a nothing burger, as you put it. But I mean I've heard since meeting you and becoming part of Calling All Beings, I've heard some so many just amazing things and just learned so much in such a short amount of time. But there's still a lot of confusion out there. Is there a certain type of UFO that you believe you saw, because I know there's different types that people commonly report. Is this just lights

in the sky, black triangle or any ideas on that. This looked like a craft with a series of lights on it. But I could not, And this is the reason why I don't elaborate further, because I don't want to take a worry that's ancient and then try to add things to it to make to add clarity that I don't have. So I couldn't see the shape of it. It was the again, it was a dark sky and the tree line and I can actually search for this while we're on the so that

I can text you the photo of where my sight line was. So let me I'll do that. But I could not make out I'm seeing rear aspect of the craft, and I could not make out any shape. I was just kind of blown away from the lights. And then I'm talking to my friend and going, you know, you know, holly bleep, and you know it was those kind of things, right. But but in any case,

Matt, you know that. That's why I just don't have enough to really, you know, give someone a great idea of what it was, just because there wasn't enough, Um, there wasn't enough time of looking at it or seeing it at the right, either underneath, from the side, something where I could get you know, get some clarity. Really it was just from the rear. So what kind of distance away was it at the time whenever you first saw it, Well you could be so. And that's

why I'm looking for this photo because of the tree line. The tree line formed your horizon, and so when it rose above that tree line, which is above the main road here, I mean that was everything. You know, you couldn't you couldn't see, you couldn't see past that. So this one will give it to you. But this is winter, this is winter time, so this is not a good one. And now at that tree line there, imagine there's leaves on all these trees here, so it's gonna

be provide some pretty good cover. Right. So you standing at the base of that driveway walking up the hill right there, as you look up, all you can see of the sky is everything is just but that tree line forms your horizon right right, So right there is where we would have um where we would have seen it rise above the tree line, and once it floated beyond that horizon, we couldn't see it anymore. Does that make sense, Yeah, because it wasn't high enough for you to be able to start

getting all these aspects. But when we saw it, it would it was above I don't know where it emanated from, but when we saw it, it lit up the whole sky. And that's what That's what got my attention, is what would be lighting up the sky on a Sunday night. I mean nothing, Well, that's what I was going to ask you, if you had any idea where it might have come from, like if it was taking off from the ground, like what's in that area? Do you know? No? I mean, really there is all. Uh, it's very

um what's the word that I'm looking for. Um, you know, the town counseled like, you can't build commercial things in these areas. So if I were to drive you around these areas and over towards Croton Reservoir and stuff, you it looks the same as when I was growing up here. There's no commercial anything. There's no stores, there's no strip malls, there's no anything. It looks just like there's very few developments that have even popped up. There's a few, but not many. So it looks very true to

form as it was back then. So I don't know where it came from. When it came into my vision, is us you know, looking up that hill, walking up that hill and sade and we're just like, oh my god, look that's a that's a UFO. I mean, that was what came to my mind. There was never any question about it. Did you ever have any paranormal experiences or anything like that? Growing up? Was

the UFO kind of the first thing that ever happened to you. The only thing that I can remember growing up, and our house was a colonial era house. I don't know if I would call it a tutor or not. I'd have to ask my dad about that. The only claim to fame about is that Charles Lindberg's wife her family owned that house at one point, but it at one time. I remember doing something with curtains, either closing them and then they opened, or opening them and then they closed, and that's

the only end, like coming back in. But never anything that was like on the level of what happened with you, you know what I mean. It was like scarier, nothing like that. But the paranormal and the unexplained and things of that nature weren't something that you're really focused on or anything as

a kid, No, not at all. I didn't have anything happened, didn't mess with a weeg aboard or any of that kind of stuff, which again, do not mess with AUGI board for anyone, for anyone, leave them alone, don't do it. I'm actually gonna send you a photo of me in high school with my high school friends at a house party. And I looked at it the other day because obviously, like I said, I do a lot of stuff with my high school, my classmates and stuff.

And I saw a photo and and and it said Wei, and like what there was a Wegi board on the table, but I know we did not play it. But I do know that that the mother of the person, So the two girls that we were visiting at this home that the mother was claimed to be a witch um. And the one thing that they had us do one time was have someone lay on the floor. And the two girls said, let's do this light as a feather stiff as a board thing.

Sure, and I remember that we lifted the person up with just fingertip. Uh, you know, you had just your index finger and there was like four of us. I think that we're doing. I don't remember if there's four or six, but basically we lifted somebody up off the ground with that. Maybe that's how UFOs do all the amazing flying that they do. They just got a group of kids, you know, as a feather stiff as a board. So, now that you've been doing the you know, UFO

podcast thing, you started branching out other areas. But I do want to ask you about the different types of UFOs. What are sort of you know, the stereotypical main types of things that people observe. Well, you know, it depends on what era. Obviously everybody knows that in the early on

in the forties and fifties, a lot of it was flying saucer. But then lu Alsando tells us that people in Europe they were saying they were seeing a flying butane tank, which any of you that have had like a natural gas tank outside of your house, it would look like one of those cylindrical tanks and then it would have, you know, the sort of hookups in the center of it in the cap. So people reported that although that wasn't prevalent in our country. Now you guys have heard about tik taks. There's

a few of those. Uh, you guys are aware of orbs. Recently the Pentagon showed an ORB video. I think, I don't know if it

was Afghanistan or I rock. I think where that that video is out, it's been a all around Twitter. So yeah, that's primarily what I've heard of is I've heard ORB And then I guess if we go to twenty fifteen, the East Coast naviators, so not the Nimitz group, which was Dave Fraver, Alex Dietrick, chat Underwood, they're the ones that encountered the tik tak off the coast of southern cow But in twenty fifteen, Ryan graves from

them. I think it was the Theodore Roosevelt strike croup. I think it was those folks encountered the sphere inside a cube or cube inside a sphere of one of those two. Yeah, I guess it was a cube inside of sphere, and as he pointed out, on number of occasions where the the tips corners of the cube are are intersecting the sides of the sphere. So that was really really bizarre if you could imagine flying in an airplane and seeing a cube into sphere, because they said they saw it for over a year.

So a lot of stuff has happened off the coast of California. I don't know how many people listening are interested in UFOs or to the degree that I am. But one of the surprising things out there is a lot of UFO stuff is actually what's called USO and is coming from the water. What's some of the stories behind that, especially with you know, the West coast

and everything. I think there's a hot spot outside of somewhere. It almost seems like San Diego or something where a lot of UFO activity has been seeing with vessels or whatever you want to call them exiting the ocean and flying into the ocean. What's some of the stuff you've heard about that I've heard a number of them. I've heard them being clocked underwater by using sonar, which is you know, very typical of a submarine's navigational device, and distance measuring

equipment and speed measuring equipment is sonar. And they talked about them doing mock underwater and people that understand, you know, a hydrostatic drag. You know how much I mean, we all know when you you know, swimming is based on being able as being is based on that, you know, being able to cup your hand and propel your self forward, so to hit the kinds of speeds that usos are able to do, um without splashing when they go in the water. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't

agree with our known physics, known physics. But apparently they didn't. They weren't taught those lessons of the constraints of our physics are Um, they didn't show up at school that day. Um. So so there's that. Let's

see what else is there. Um, there's something that happened in Puerto Rico at an airport that's called Aguada. So if somebody were to google Aguada UFO video and it would be a you know, a g U A D I L L a um, you will see a Customs and Border Patrol aircraft that is tracking a object of un So it's sort of shape shifting as it's moving through the air. So just place that, put that in your mind,

right, and it's moving. It's just flying with without care of anything, over houses, neighborhoods, right over an airfield like literally an active airfield. It just they're probably obviously shut down air traffic. It flew just right across the airfield like nobody's business. Then out over the water and then it appears to go in the water and come out again and split in two, but without making a splash, without making a splash, Yes, it just it

just kind of morphs into the water. It's a bizarre video. It's crazy. It's an amazing video. And the I think it's the SCU the Scientific Coalition for UFO Studies or something like that. They have a great write up. They did a you know, probably like a I don't know if it's thirteen page paper on that on that incident. So it's on blind you know, we don't know what that object was. You know, recently there was another big release by the government of UFO Information or UAP information as they call

it. No, you know, Senate hearings and all that going on. Thank goodness, UFOs have finally reached government bureaucracy. I mean, that's going to really help things out. But I, you know, you and I had talked about this, and you know, this subject even came up on a recent episode of Calling All Beings, and I said, you know, I'm not even bothering and reading about it. You know, I already know that there's nothing to read. Well, I did run across an article the

other day that caught my attention because it's already began. I don't remember who the you know, official was or anything, but apparently his whole thing was, we have not had any evidence that supports these are of an alien nature or from out of space, and they could be related to China, you know, got to throw that in there, But he said, they're not.

We haven't had any official evidence that we found that they're doing anything beyond our current laws of physics according to our knowledge, right, And I'm just like, are you kidding me? With that, but he was talking about spherical shaped objects in the same sentence doing mock two. Now, how do you have something spherical shaped doing mock two through the air without any sort of

propulsion being seen, no thermal trail to it at all. And then in the same breath say, we haven't seen anything break the laws of physics. I mean, what's going on? Say that? Yeah, okay, I didn't know that he said that. I mean, there are objects that projectiles that can fly through the air at that speed, but not you know, enter into controlled flight. And the key is without control surfaces. Because when we talk about aircraft and we talk about control surfaces, we're talking about rutterers,

ailerons, um elevators. You know, these type of steering mechanisms that give you pitch yaw roll, you know, all these what you know, what we call X y Z access and in aviation and without those you know, even even you know, like an Elon rocket when when they fire off those rockets there, as you can see, there are canards on those rockets that are steering at until it gets into you know, without air, and it's in outer space and now it's being controlled by you know, sort of

little steering propulsion mechanisms on the side that'll that'll give it that left you know, give it yaw and roll and all these other things. But when you're in the atmosphere, that's what we need to fly things that operate on Bernoulli's theorem. And you guys can have a look at that. That's basically all your your wing surfaces and control surfaces and lift is based on Bernoulli's theorem and then Newton's laws of motion, so for the propulsion aspect of it. So

anyway, UM, I don't know that he said that. Um, but man, I have heard through I have I have heard that that there may be some breaks coming. Um. And that's really all I can That's really all I can say about that. I think there are a number of people saying that on Twitter. Um, people that you you know, sort of are uh, you know, tangentially involved with through us and uh, I you know, ask somebody, and and I'm hearing the same thing. So

now we'll just have to sit and wait. Um. But disclosure is in a far for advanced stage from where Bigfoot is. Unfortunately or fortunately for Bigfoot. Maybe one of the more recent conversations that you and I had had were about the possibility of you know, UAPs and UFOs being something other than alien in nature. I mean, I had just like I told you, you know, it's just always been aliens that come from outer space. But I

guess some of the theories now are that that's not necessarily true. So like, whenever you talk about some of these murmurs you're hearing coming down the pipeline, are you talking about confirmation of any kind that these are alien nature or not alien in nature? No, Actually, what I was talking about is disclosure writ large, that a further level of disclosure. A lot of people

are talking about that, and I'm hearing the same thing. So but what I do want to say is that you and I grew up the exact same way we thought. And by the way, you and I are going to

be interviewing Darcy Weir. Yeah, and Darcy is going to tell us about the space program and UAPs that they have encountered while in space that we're not reported or they were using code words or covering up so as not to alarm the public that there's something sort of transitting around our space vehicles while they're in

orbit. So we're going to interview Darcy about that. So that does lead to you know, maybe, so what I like to say, Matt, when we have the discussion of are the origin of these unidentified craft or unidenti non human intelligences if we want to use that NHI word. Are they coming from somewhere else like outer space, or are they already prepositioned here on Earth and we only see them when they want us to see them for whatever reason.

They can come through a portal, or they can appear in our reality so that we can see them, and that's why all these people are seeing them. Well, I don't believe necessarily in this or that I believe in this end that so, yes, there could be non human intelligences that are coming here have come here we're viewed by the Space program, perhaps that are from another planet or another galaxy or our galaxy in an area that we can't

see them. Perhaps, And I also there's significant evidence to suggest from people that have interacted with a phenomenon, just like we have people who have interacted with Bigfoot and have a significant advantage to people like me in analyzing behaviors because they've seen them and interacted with them. Well, people have seen and interacted with other intelligences. Believe it or not. It's sounds crazy to some of your Bigfoot people out there, but to some of them, what people would

say about Bigfoot sounds crazy. But the fact of the matter is I believe both of you, and there are some of you out there who are probably you know, telling stories and maybe they're not they didn't actually happen, or you you know, in your mind they happen, but they didn't happen in the reality that somebody else could see. But the majority, the overwhelming majority of you that are telling these stories, I absolutely believe that you had this

experience, whether it was seeing a craft. Uh, some people were abducted and and a lot of people have had interactions with Bigfoot. There's just no possibility that everybody's lying, you know, not the least of which is my friend Matt Knapp. So with that in mind, they say that a lot of them are maybe on Earth or part of our planet, but they're not in the same time space, they're not in our reality, but they can bring themselves into our reality when they want to, and that's what you know.

Jeremy Corbell has a litany of videos. Do you guys want to see a video that blows my mind as an aviation junkie. There's a couple of them. Matt mentioned before about craft going into the water and out that happens on the USS Russell. You can you can watch a flare video where that happens and from the CIC you know, you hear them say splash, which

just means it when in the water to actually splash. And you can also see this pyramid UFO video that Jeremy Corbell got from his sources in the Navy, and it was taken through a night vision equipped deck telescope if you will, and it was I want to say, seven feet off the water and within half a mile of the ship something like that. It is absolutely amazing

when I see it. It's one of the most amazing videos out there because nobody can explain what it is. I can't because I know that pyramids don't fly, not using our version of aerodynamics. But they obviously have figured out other ways to do things like flying a tik tak that Dave Framer saw, and they don't need all those things that we have like thermodynamic propulsion and Bernoulli control surfaces and so forth, and powered flight as we know it. So

there you have it. One of the things that I find kind of interesting about UFO sidings is, you know, you were talking about the different types depending on what era they were seeing. Tell me you can disagree, it's fine. Do you notice that it seems like a lot of UFO sidings over the years, It's almost as if the technology has progressed for the UFOs themselves. How it kind of started all with like flying saucers and now we're at

like this liquid metallic looking thing. Yeah, I heard one of those the other day that was amazing. It said the skin looked like liquid metallic. I've heard a number of experiences say they believe the skin of the aircraft is

alive. I've heard somebody say that there are wave guides in the skin that carry all these signals in the electricity if you will, that runs the different systems that are wave guides in the skin, which, of course, yeah, that's how they would do it. They wouldn't do it with a bunch of cable wire bundles like we would do it. So it has it evolved. It's possible. But to know that Matt and using this as a very

sort of Matt nappying way to look at it. We would have to know what those what sort of systems that those that those saucers had, and if we knew that, we could juxtapose that against what the what what we've noticed from the TIC TAC. But without knowing that, it's just saying, you know, it's a different shape because we would have to have more data to go on. You know, what type of maneuvers did it perform? Was it silent um, did it shoot off? Did it shoot straight up?

You know, uh, and silent throughout. I mean, so there's a lot of things we would have to know before we could we could make that leap to say that one technology is more advanced, but it is true that people are seeing more of one than the other these days. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Uh, certainly unanswerable at this point. I mean a lot of factors would come into play. You know, if it's coming from the same source for instance, you know, different things could have different types

of technology. Obviously there's something that has technology, if that even the right word. We don't even know that this is technology, but something very different than anything we have or or are aware of at this point in humanity for

sure, right right, That's that's the key, is that. Um So when when when I tell people I think I went over this on Brian's show, is when you're looking at a craft and you're you know, if you're one of these people that has the great fortune to be able to get a you know, a protracted view of it, a view where you could sit and look at it and start going through a mental checklist. And I'm not saying take out your cell phone, but okay, what's it doing? First

of all, is it silent? It is it relatively close to me where I can see a fully fleshed out craft. So if the answers, yes, all right, this is awesome. Now do I hear anything? Because everything that we have that's going to be able. And now is it making maneuvers that look like it's consistent with an aircraft or can it just hover and then move at these sort of ninety degree angles, be it rapidly or not? If it can do it silently, well, if it's silent, okay,

there's a dirigible technology that are pretty silent. You know, they're filled with air, but they don't make rapid changes of direction, right, And they don't make ninety degree turns. So what did they say? You know, nothing in nature is a right angle this kind of thing. So we would be looking at things like that and saying, okay, there's no sound,

and now it's moving kind of weird, or it's hovering there. Anything aircraft that hovers, it takes a significant amount of energy, whether we're talking about a helicopter, whether we're talking about a V twenty two osprey, whether we're talking about propeller drone. Like you can buy anything that hovers for a long period time, it uses a lot of energy because when you start moving

the craft forward, like even a helicopter. When a helicopter starts to move forward, there's something called translational lift that occurs, and it becomes a lot safer vehicle to operate with some forward momentum than when you try to just straight

hover it. Because the blades of a helicopter what a lot of people don't know a lot of people know that when you pull up on that stick, you know that what's known as the collective in a helicopter, the blades will angle down and start biting more air, and that's how you lift off a lot of people know that but what they don't know is that the rotor blades of a helicopter are shaped exactly the same as an aircraft wing, and that's

why the FA refers to them as rotary wing as opposed to necessarily helicopter. That's just one of the terms use, but rotary wing. And when you propel that through the air forward, it becomes a lot easier to maintain flight than it does when you hover. So again, this is why sometimes it

doesn't have to go at mocks X from a standstill to be incredible. When we see a UAP do that, it can be just hover like like uh, Ryan Grave said, one of those cubanis sphere things was hovering at the entry way to their working airspace or that the Navy had booked over off the coast of Virginia and it's set there for eight hours. So think about that,

Matt, I mean, we don't eight hours. I mean I know somewhere in my rolodex at some point I was watching something and they were talking about how a helicopter can't hover in one spot for too long or we'll just fall to the ground, like it'll use up all the air beneath it or something something happens, and it can be very dangerous to do that. Yes, and that's just yeah, that's just one aspect, and that's you know there. I don't think there's a helicopter on Earth that could hover for eight

hours without running out of gas. True, So that that's that's that's another thing. So there's there's a lot of aspects to this that make them unique. And it's not just that it moves fast, but that it's doing so silently, it's doing so without a visible sign of propulsion. It's moving in ways that are not consistent with what we call aircraft. And that's why the UAP term is really good because unidentified flying object indicates to us that is flying.

But the fact of the matter is maybe it's not flying. Maybe it's doing something that is not what we understand to be flying. It just happens to be moving through our sky or moving through our airspace, if you will, but not obeying the laws of air. You know, this tic TAC doing this sort of Mexican standoff you if you will, with Dave Fraser,

where they're circling one another, no control surfaces. You know, here's Dave, Dave Fraser probably in a sixty degree bank trying to maintain the circle and get behind this thing, and this thing is like, no, you won't get behind me. I'm going to keep you right over there, one hundred and eighty degrees across circle from me. Pretty intelligent. Yeah, yeah, that that shows some definite intelligence. It's not just a balloon sitting there right

some would want to believe or lead us to believe. And it's orbiting around there without any ailerons to control its role, without any elevator to keep the nose of it up. It just just going around in a circle. It's it's really nuts. Yeah. So now we're gonna skip over to the next lily pad. Money Nathan the Money your your cohort? You will yep? Yeah, great guy, very knowledgeable guy. How did he get you interested

in Bigfoot? One of the most amazing human beings you'll meet is a money Nathan Um just one of those people, like you said, you know, he comes in your life and you're just like wow, man, So Nathan had Um, I don't know, I don't know what this was about, but he sent me an episode of Sasquatch Chronicles. You know, everybody who pays attention to Bigfoot knows that And I listened to one and it was so visceral, as you know. And then from there I just started looking for

more and more and more bigfoot podcasts. That's how I found you, and and that was it. I was just like, I am so interested in this topic. I think for a while the Cabby's thought that I was just totally gonna leave UFOs behind and just you know, all I wanted to talk about was Bigfoot. But the fact of the matter is, I believe we

need to talk all three, you know. And I've had those discussions, and I just fell in love with the topic and started consuming material, listening to people figuring out hypothesizing, been out in the field a couple of times, and just I'm just as fascinated with it as as as any topic that's out there. I just love the talking about bigfoot. Well, what is

the most interesting aspect of bigfoot? What what's drawn you in? And just grabbed a hold of you like that, This is a great question, um once drawn me and I I think it's because there is a creature out there that has been able to leverage it's innate intellect and the size of its brain, which I guess is, while not as big as ours, is bigger

than you know perhaps other you know primates. And then it's knowledge and been able to the fact that, uh, you know, as as Ron Moore had said that potentially there's a language being spoken here, there's a family unit. Um, there's a security system that they've created around reportedly around the dens and and and bed down areas that they were berthing areas, whatever you want

to call it. Um. And I just think that was amazing. And I said, boy, I really want to know more about this creature and its culture, if you will, if I can, if I can be so bold to call in a culture. You just recently attended. Was it your first bigfoot conference? It was? It was wow, wow, your first? How did that go? You went to the o'calla Bigfoot conference? Yes, yep, the great found How was it? Um? It was

enjoyable. It was very enjoyable. The ladies that I went out in the woods with from Ocalaba, I think they're called Bigfoot World and crypt Bigfoot World is basically the name of the group Cryptids and Paranormal. They they kind of do it all, but they're really really focused on Bigfoot. Cathy Westerman is sort of the head of that group, and Pam Esper and Becky Rawlinson, all three of those ladies spoke were the second speakers I believe at the event

after RPG spoke UM and UM. I really enjoyed it. I mean, if I if there's one thing I wish I would have done, I would have gone around to some of the vendors and asked them this question. You know that why are you? You know, because they've always thought if Bigfoot had the ability to understand, because they don't, they wouldn't understand m money, you know, they wouldn't understand this human thing that we have, you

know, this money and trade and barter. Maybe they understand barter, that's possible with with with the natives, you would know more about that than I. But how fascinated people are with them as a species that they've created all the you know, every kind of trinket and T shirt and sellable good and key chain and everything you can imagine people have created as a result, if not solely based on their fascination with Bigfoot. And it's potentially it's culture,

but at least the specter that that exists. Bigfoot and pop culture never ceases to amaze me. I mean it's something I think about a lot. Okay, because I'm into pop culture anyways. I'm into comic books, action figures, you know, all that stuff. A product of the eighties and nineties. Jeez, dating myself here, But I mean whenever it comes to these type subjects, I mean, just take the Lockness Monster. The Lockness Monster is globally known. I would dare say that as many people have heard of

the Lockness Monster as have heard of Bigfoot. But you don't see the Locknest Monster or being used to market things everywhere like you do Bigfoot. I mean even from like just YETI coolers just using the name. But you see like

Bigfoot all the time, you know, you see it everywhere. You see on all kinds of different products, and especially in the past ten years or so, Bigfoot has just become a symbol that people just you know, buy stickers and T shirts and everything else who don't even necessarily believe in Bigfoot. They just want a Bigfoot sticker on the back of their jeep as they drive around town. It's crazy to me, It's just absolutely nuts to me.

What's the fascination, man, Well, yeah, I was going to ask you, because I think you're gonna ask me that question, I'll ask you that question. I don't know. I think it might have something to do

with we. You know, I've heard some people theorize that don't necessarily believe bigfoot is real, that bigfoot is something that man has created because it it's something that we all yearn to be, to get back to that primitive connection with you know, nature and being free and wild and not confined by the rules of society and everything. Maybe that's it. I don't know. Maybe they just think it looks cool. Maybe they just think it's cute. I

really have no idea whenever it comes to that one. It's but it's become a trend. Bigfoot is trendy, which is kind of scary to me. But what do you think, man? I think I think it's possible that that whether people want to admit it or not. They So you have all those people that have had encounters or heard of encounters, people that have heard of encounters like me through people like you, Matt, that have had encounters, say I want to have that happen and see how it feels and see

how I react and hear it potentially and feel it. So there's that aspect, and the second aspect is is would that creature see something in me? You know, I want to see it. I want to see what it does, how it lives, because it's so mysterious, how it is able to how they are able to survive as they do, and so there's so much intrigue there, whereas Lockness monster a lot. You know, first of all, there's very few people who have ever seen it, certainly haven't interacted

with it. You know, in Bigfoot, potentially there are people that cohabitate with them and see them regularly, or you know, or feeding them or maybe just have them come to their property just because the family group that's nearby has resources and and is you know, if you know this creature, you can't see how you know, Vic says this all the time, Vic Caundiff, You can't find it difficult to believe that with them as as Vic says, them being bored out in the woods, that they wouldn't want to come

up to somebody's house and look in the window and see what the hell is going on or look in the family room. Right for sure, that's not I mean, I mean anything that's even you know, I mean, if there was a guerrilla there, they might want to do that if they lived, you know, in the Tennessee Valley, you know, River Valley somewhere. I mean. So, so a lot of these things feed into something

that we can relate to. For all these reasons, you know, for the people that just want to have the craps scared out of them and run back to the car and never do it again. To the people that just want like me, who just want to see what it feels like, sounds like, smells like, looks like. To people that you know, um, want to go out and hunt one and kill one and bring it in for science and become famous. So there's all these different aspects of it.

But I think at the at the root of it, all of no matter whether you want to go and take one down like some of the groups out there, or somebody who just wants to see when you want to understand how it is they do what they do, how they can hide. We believe it exists, and that's why we're like, you know, and maybe that gets back to what you said, you know, maybe there's a certain freedom aspect or something. But I think that's what begets all the stickers, and

then there's just a certain amount of commercialization in anything that's popular. I think at the heart of a lot of it is for people who don't know, or they might be on the fence, or even some people that think they don't exist at all, they still want to think that they might. They

want them to exist. They think the concept of them existing and saying hidden so long it is a good thing that you know, there's this land out there that something like that could still survive and live and thrive and continue on that man hasn't ruined or disturbed or you know, completely destroyed altogether. I think that desire for them to be real is strong in a lot of people, even if it's on as simple like they've only thought about the subject one

time in their life as they bought the coffee mug or something. They still think it would be cool if this thing did exist. And then there's a certain group of people that are very very invested in it not existing, because if it exists, if UFOs exists, if ghosts and Poulter guides exist, right which you happen to know that all three of these things exist, But if it exists, then I need to worry about it, and I need to account for the fact that there is something that I cannot control with a

forty four magnum. Yeah, and that does not make me comfortable. And if you're going to change my worldview and bring and push me out of my comfort zone, I'm going to push back on you and say this thing does not exist because that makes me feel good. Yeah. So there's that exactly. I know a skeptic, a very strong skeptic in the bigfoot where. He's really famous in the bigfoot community, the online bigfoot community. He has

a very popular Facebook group. I'm not going to say his name, but this guy, if he's listening, which he does, listen to Bigfoot podcasts all the time. He and I have butted heads and agreed numerous times over the years. I haven't talked to him in a long time. I got kind of peoed at him. But his stance is that, or at least the last time I spoke with him, that he thinks there's a chance it's all just psychological and nobody's actually seen a bigfoot in Bigfoot's not real. He

has not seen anything to con vince him that Bigfoot exists. Great yet in private conversations that he and I had, he openly admitted that his daughter saw one. Okay, so then he fits quite well into that category, doesn't he. Yeah, absolutely, the aforementioned Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is a place of comfort and it's a security blankie. Nothing exists that is out of my control that I can't fathom that I can't take out with my

you know, my seven mag or whatever I mean. But the fact of the matter is there are things that are that are out of our control, and I mean, I can't prove that. And what I'm really happy about is I don't have to prove it. I don't have to prove any I tell people when people start getting bent around the axle about to bunkers, and I'm not going to name them either, because when people name them, they just they just it's like seeing up their power meter in a in a in

one of these online games. Um, I don't have to prove anything to you, so you can either believe it or not believe it. I don't care. I'm here to find out for myself, um and to talk with people about it if that I think are credible about it. But I really don't care if somebody says there's no such thing as UFOs because they would have

said that a couple of years ago. Well, they're not saying that now because now it's been it's it's it's been vetted by the government by uh, you know, they've come out and said, hey, you know, we're going to throw some money at this. They're credible aviators, both commercial and excuse me, a civil commercial aviators and military aviators would come out and said they've had these encounters. Plus police officers that are in our communities have seen

them. Uh, and they've also seen Bigfoot. So I mean, you can say it doesn't exist. That makes you feel good, But you know, how a nut I wanted to ask you. I know you've been out in the field with Tyler Howe who was on episode fifty five of big Foot Crossroads. If anybody wants to check it out, did ye did you happen to bump into him at the conference? Was he there? I did not see Tyler there. Um I did see his friend Stacy Brown Junior spoke with him a little bit. I saw, I saw. I spoke with run

Moorehead a little bit, dropped a card off with him. I talked with doctor Jeff Meldrum a little bit. And I spoke with Dave Politis, who probably won't be appearing with us based on his standards, but it would be interesting to have him and offshoot into missing persons a little bit. But no, I didn't see Tyler down there. What was your time like out in the field with Tyler? Oh? It was great, man, when we

enjoyed it. Um. You know, he gave me some tips along with the guy that was with him, and um, you know, we we basically sat around the fire. We thought we heard one call from way far away, but but nothing significant happened that night. But but I enjoyed that time. And we went out another time and um, I think the only thing we might have found looked like a twisted tree. Um. And then I went out one area that you you recommended based on your your matrix,

but my wife chickened out and wanted to come back. So chicking out, yeah, she just you know, we're deep in the woods. She heard a woodpecker and got scared, you know. But she's a city girl, so you know, Um, so I need to hit that area again. And obviously in Pensacola, met met a moneymaker rode up in area on bfr

row that uh in Pensacola that I think is worthy of some investigation. So, you know, in the big Foot world, there's a lot of arguments, you know, we don't get her, we don't get her along very well, a lot of dividing lines that people have drawn in the sand, and the biggest of all at this point in time has to be, you know, flesh and blood versus the wu. Are these things an undiscovered species of primate and that's it? Or do they have abilities that we don't comprehend

or have an explanation for. What is your position on that? Um? You know, my position, based on you know, anecdotal evidence from everybody that you've heard, is perhaps both are true. I mean, first of all, I certainly believe it's a flesh and blood animal. But the way I think of it, and we've spoken about this privately, and we've spoken about it on CAB as well, which is what we call calling all beings,

we just called CAB for short. Um. So, if I were to say to you, Matt, does every person that you know have the same psychic ability or ability to project and use their mind in a powerful way? Do they have the ability or are they able to use it manifested the ability, because potentially we all have it. The easy answer is no, not everyone can do that. Yeah, potentially we could all manifest it.

Right but right correct. But there are people that are able to go into a home and communicate with spirits and find out like Amy Ellen, that can find out an entire history nearly just from being in the home and find out what happened there. So you have people that can interact with them, that can ask them to leave you. So you have people that have different mental

abilities. You have these remote viewers, you know the Ingo Swan students from that study I think was done at as Stanford and then the CIA got involved. But there was I want to say his name was Pat Smith. I may have the first name wrong. I could go back and check, but he was a prolific remote viewer in that program with the CIA, and this gentleman could you could give him a set of coordinates and he would go and

the program written large had like a seventy percent success rate. But he could given a set of coordinates, he could say, Yeah, I see a big corrugated aluminum building. I see a crane next to it and I see a huge pile of shellstone, you know, something like that, And that particular target was in somewhere in the Soviet Union. So you know, there

are people that have this ability, that can do this. So why is it that some Bigfoot could potentially have an ability that other bigfoots do not, that some of them might be able to or have a desire to mind speak and some do not, or don't know how or just don't want to. Is that possible? Is within the realm of possibility? I submit that it is. And so humans, if you believe this, have been interacted with non human intelligences, been abducted, receive downloads from a number of people that

I've spoken with. Actually, you know friends of mine have had this happen. So is it possible that Bigfoot has also had this happen, or that a non human intelligence has seen fit to leverage big Foot in that way and have one come through a portal or exit a portal. We talked about the mechanics of portal. It's like mind blowing because we don't understand how they open, how they call all these sorts of things about portals. So is it

is it possible that that that bigfoot has been used in that way. You know, I really liked H. T. J. Allard is that his last name, yep. I really liked his take on portals and how just the nomenclature alone kind of paints a picture of something that we don't even know for certain as happening. That it may not be some you know, doorway from here to there as much as it is just sort of a materialization or

manifestation that occurs. I thought that was really interesting. Oh, we don't know, right, But do we have to get bent around the axle in the language or kid and we see that maybe something's afoot here? You know, we had terry on no fun intended? Did there that there is something too it? Regardless of what the language is, because if we had caught up in the language, then we're looking for a reason to say it's bullshit. I find it kind of childish a lot of the times, and I'm

as guilty of it as anyone. Okay, I get caught up in it. I do because I'm passionate about the subject. Anytime you're passionate about a subject, it's easy to get drawn into these arguments. However, is this something we should even be worrying about, let alone arguing about Yet. I mean, isn't that kind of put in the cart before the horse? It is what something we should be worried about, whether they're flesh and blood or

have these other abilities that we can't comprehend. I mean, I mean, shouldn't we be out there, you know, trying to learn about them and just let the learning come to us as opposed to just creating these scenarios ourselves, just going off our own observations and letting that dictate where we go. Sure, but then somebody's experience, you know, if somebody saw what you know, just like Terry helped me with the guy from South Carolina and the

gentleman. We had one Ered Windell that was out there, and those he and his team of professionals, now people that trusted people in your community. Um, you know the paramedic guy and you know all these other folks that said, we saw a portal, We saw these people walk into this this area and they like disappeared off the therm, and when they backed up, we saw them again. So um, so yes, you're right, you know, we should go out and study them and find out absolutely as much

as we can. But if someone had a viscer experience like yours, why shouldn't they be able to talk about it? Oh they should, They should it absolutely. I just think we make a mistake whenever there's it just becomes this argument just instantly. It's not a matter of this is what I experienced. You tell me what you experienced, and we'll talk about it. It's this is what I experienced. Oh you experienced something different, Well then I

know more than you do. You're Wrong's just the first place it goes. And it's both sides that are guilty of it too. It's not just one or the other. It's the most human thing ever. But it doesn't really have to go there. I mean, it's just like if I had that experience now and I were on Twitter or in this case, you know, the big the UFO world operates on Twitter, the big folk world operates on Facebook. I wouldn't have that argument. I would say this happened if they

said, yeah, you're full of it or whatever. And first of all, I wouldn't even have a chat with somebody about it like that. I would want to talk to a fellow, you know, like a podcast or something. But I'm not going to just expose myself to the big Foot universe and say, yeah, this happened. I mean, wait for somebody to come come back and you know, give the yeah okay emoji or say you're full of it thumbs up. Right. When you do that, you are

opening yourself up to those individuals. You're opening yourself up to criticism, and you are almost I would, I would, I would almost say you're almost looking for a fight, because you know that's going to happen. It shouldn't happen. You should be able to relay your experience and have someone to say, hey, okay, but um, but but that's not going to happen. That's not real. It doesn't happen on UFOs, and obviously, as

you're stating, it doesn't happen in the big Foot community. I have divorced myself from these and but I'm blessed that I get to talk to people on shows and talk about my views. You know, I just am The only thing I'm advocate from Matt is don't close the door, you know, or, as Lou Alsando says regarding UFOs, basically, everything's on the table until

it's off the table. And if somebody thinks that they have enough evidence or enough experience with bigfoot to know that it's it's off the table, that they've never been in a situation where there was a track way and then all of a sudden and it's in an open field and then the tracks just stopped, like Jonathan Dover told us that. Then okay, then you're saying that person's lying, and okay, But to me, I just say it's on the

table until it's off. Certainly one hundred percent with everybody flesh and blood creature, because all you guys, so many of you, people who are extremely credible, have had these experiences, have seen them. Some of you see them on a regular basis at your property, and I believe you, And that's great. Does that mean that there isn't another element to them that that we don't know, Well, we don't know. So if somebody wants to say, well, I'm flesh and blood and tell someone shows an otherwise,

okay, great, awesome. So what are some of the similarities and differences between the UFO world and the Bigfoot world? Oh man, it's very much the same. Um you know, in the bigfoot world, you have an archetype who is much more prone to going out in the woods and experiencing the forest and engaging in field research. And then the UFO community. There's a gentleman we had on named Carl Vibe and when one of the former cabbies got

him to come on our show named Steph, Thank you Steph. Carl had like one point two million subscribers and I and I don't usually look at that thing, but somebody told me that he had that, and I went and looked. I think it was Steph said that, And then I started looking at countries like Lichtenstein and I was like, wow, like, you have

more subscribers than Liechtenstein. And I named like a couple of other obscurity European country, So in an entire country of followers, yeah, I think it was like Slovenia, Luxembourg and Lichtenstein, and he had more subscribers than those three countries or something. Carl does actually go out and do field research. He spent a lot of time in the un To Basin in Utah, you know, not far from skin Walker, looking at different Indian barrel grounds and

stuff and cave scrawlings and things. So he does a lot of physical field research. He is I want to say the exception. He's not the exception because there are others out there like Carl Vibe, but they're more the exception than the rule. They're in the UFOs. It's a lot of academic research combing over through archives of different places gathered moof on gathering reports, anything that's publicly been released by anybody. You know. Deb's done a lot of that.

She has a great archive of that. Deb also on Calling All Beings. So there's a lot of people like that. But in Bigfoot, I think you just have a lot of people who are a lot more outdoorsty and want to go in the woods and explore, which is great. And I love what Cliff Barrickman says. And while I don't necessarily see eye to eye with Cliff on everything, boy you know he says, don't not go in the woods. You know they they're there now, they've always been there.

Don't be afraid to go in the woods. Just know what you're gonna do, sort of have a plan, you know, be smart, you know, peruse these shows and listen to people that can give you some safety tips and dues and don'ts and know when to back off, follow your you know your inner guidance. If you think you know what I need to get out of this area right now. I don't feel comfortable. I feel like I'm you know, thirty paces ago. I didn't feel this. I'm going to

head back that direction, back to where whence I came. So you know, those are the differences in the community. Unfortunately, what's the same is the exact same in fighting. I mean, as long as humans are involved, I think that's inevitable. It's it's just going to happen. It's just something that we're going to have to learn how to work around. Correct. Unfortunately, I tell people don't engage. If you go and you go looking for a fight, posting your stuff in the community, you'll get there and

you will bring a negative energy and bad feelings into your world. And if you don't engage with them, you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. If you do go out there looking for it, you will find exactly what you're looking for. You'll find that dissenter in what you're purport on, whether it be Facebook or a blog or Twitter. If you're a UFO person,

then you bring that negativity right into your life. And why you need that just go and do your thing and communicate with people who at least are open to share ideas with you, like Matt and I do. We don't necessarily have to agree on everything, but we have phone conversations and we share ideas and and we try to open our aperture. And sometimes he shows me, DJ you know, you're on the wrong path right here, and now

I'll say, okay, let me recage. So anyway, that's all I have on that, I mean, But in fairness, there's been times whenever you know, you've told me to pump my brakes and you've been in the right by doing so, you know, sometimes anybody, but speaking on my own behalf, you know, I get those blinders on and get set in my way, you know, and I think that I've got something figured out and it's a certain way, whenever it may not necessarily be that way,

or maybe it is, But that doesn't mean there aren't other perspectives that I could look at and acknowledge in the meantime. So at the end of the day, it's not a question of if, but should Bigfoot be proven to exist? You know, the more I think about it, I mean, I did hear a good perspective. The other day, I'm trying to remember if it was someone at the conference or elsewhere that talked about a conservation effort whereby maybe if bigfoot were put on the endangered species list, what would what

would be the case? You know, what would be the result if that happened. So I also want to keep my options open and not decide, because here I am on your show, Matt, and I'm telling people, don't decide, just say, Okay, the evidence that I've seen suggests this, and that's where I am right now. But I'm open to other possibilities

should they present themselves. You know, that's I think a really good posture to have, to keep you open minded, even if you're someone who's been doing this for a couple of decades and I'm a damn greenhorn who hasn't seen anything yet. But I think it's a good posture for something we don't know. Relative to proving the exist I think that I think that it's pretty safe at this point, although not one hundred percent to say that if I care,

what do I care about? What do I want? So first you have to have a desire, and then we could see how do I achieve what my goal is. So if my goal is that I want to prove to the world that bigfoot exists and see a scientific name tag attached to it, and study it's you know, it's anatomy and figure out, you know, look at all it's digestive tract and everything, and figure out look at

its brain and everything. Are one of them's brain, etc. Then Michael, obviously, you know, would be along with these folks that want to kill one and bring it in, and that would a lot of people couldn't then, you know, when you look at a community as big as ours, and I placed myself in part of this big foot community, people can say, oh, see, I told you so it exists. See I've

been telling you all along. They could go to their mom's house and their dad and their uncle because now it's been on the news and everything whole New Thanksgiving dinner, sending that big fund on New Yeah. Yeah, ain't sitting at the kids table this year at damn right, I'm being the head of

the table. Let me carve that turn so um because uh um, you know, if you get it on, you know, and it's on a podium at you know, the Department of the Interior or at the White at a White House press briefing, and you know they show some photos of a of a of a corpse or something and they say, yeah, this exists and etc. You know what would be the result for Bigfoot. And you know, we just talked about the proclivities of humans when you when you're surrounding

a topic that we're going to argue. It doesn't matter even if something looks super absolute. You know, people are going to argue and say, no, it's not real, you're lying, you're a government agent, and all this kind of neat stuff. However, for Bigfoot, they're doing apparently well on their own progress in terms of building infrastructure, homes, developments, clearing

land. I mean I'm searing. I'm seeing it up here near the Egland Range, close to the Egland Range where they're they're building, you know, just south of I ten. You know what is it? Ten fifteen miles or so south of I ten. So you know, those kinds of things are not good for Bigfoot. And potentially if people knew this existed, the human condition might take over and people might say, I want one of these hanging on my wall, I want a rug A Bigfoot rug in front of

my fireplace. And if if that's the case, then that would not be good. If you got instead of a few teams of people that are out there hunting them, however many that is five or less that that have a dedicated mission statement to kill one and bring one in. Maybe you would have twenty five or thirty or fifty teams across forty nine states that have the same goal to do that. Um, that I don't think would necessarily be good

for Bigfoot. And now they're you know, trying to hide. And now you know what if if one gets shot and it's a teenager, and then in alpha male and and some others come after that that group of hunters and then it turns into a violent situation, then then it could ramp things up even more where now maybe the DD needs to get involved, you know, or Department of Homeland Security needs to get involved or something because of uh, you know, hunters were killed in some sort of a firefight, um,

and a log hit one in the head and then another one got you know, tackled. I mean, there's all kinds of scenarios I could envision that wouldn't necessarily be good. So I'm sort of in that vein of leave them alone, which is why I was going to write a letter to Tim Burchett. Any of you who listen to I'm sure none of you listen to CAB.

Yes, I did a real short interview with Tennessee and Dan Warren, who is a great guy, you engineer and a UFO advocate, and his constituent in Congress as Tim Burchett, who I am told is open to the idea of bigfoot and is an advocate for UFO disclosure. And I thought about writing to his staff when I got his information, and I stopped myself.

So I don't know, Matt, I think that's the case. I think there's a lot of people that would want to be the one that that There's a certain amount of people I think, like Cliff Barrickman would just be happy that to understand from a scientific perspective what's going on. That he's hypothesized about

this and he's not out to shoot one. But I think, you know, he would want to see the results of what is it has been actualized in real life after he's been hypothesizing and theorizing and studying it in earnest for you know, a couple of decades, and then I think there's other people that want to say, you know, take t J. Allard up on his offer and say, I want to become famous as the guy who bagged one and be on TV. And then there's other people who maybe there are

people that just want to see a conservancy effort. So there's a lot of different groups. But I think the best thing for them at this point, and I'm open to the idea of being wrong and that maybe there is a possible conservation effort that could be undertaken and actually provide some protection. I'm open to that idea, but I'd say I'm leaning towards right now, with the current information we have, they probably should just be left alone. So there's

different ways to look at it. Great answer. He covered a lot of bases, but the fact that they haven't even been proven to exist yet, to me, is a pretty good indicator that the I really need our quote unquote protection. I mean, I don't think they would need our protection until it was proven to exist, and then from that point, I mean, there's only a handful of animals that you're allowed to hunt at nighttime, and

those are usually considered nuisance animals. Like Ferrell hogs in certain areas. You know, hunting is very regulated and there's a lot of rules and laws to abide by, and you will get heavily fined and imprisoned if you break those rules. So if bigfoot were to be proven to exist, a lot of these people, a lot of these trophy hunters, they would have a hard time doing it. In my opinion, I think they would have a very difficult time. You know that you can't go out there and just bag one.

It's just not that easy. And you know, these things are very capable of taking human life if they wanted to, and I think they would in certain situations, whether they you know, had to protect themselves or their families or whatever, just like a human does. But I'm kind of like you, I'm I'm kind of on the fence on the subject. You know, It's something that I would love to see as a witness. I'd love to have that vindication and being able to learn something about them, But at

the same time, I kind of want them to be left alone. I don't think that humans are necessarily good for them. Anytime we get involved with something, it usually goes wrong. So yeah, it's a tough call. It's a tough call, you know. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let me just say this, I care about them more than I care about me to them, my desire for them. I care about them more than my desire of of of of a certain my own personal desire

to have an outcome for them. I'm just thinking of them as a species. Right. That's that's the thing that people have to decide do. I want to please me and and be able to tell every and believe me. I go through this too with friends, with families, with colleagues, you know that that think that this thing, that don't believe it, and you'd love to be able to say, see right, yeah, But where is

that stack up against? I really want this creature to be able to live out its life on this planet in a in a way that that serves it as a species, not my desire for its outcome. That's going to serve some goal that I have as a person, which has nothing to do with them as a species. Right, And like the fame or of the fortune,

you know, like that whole angle. I mean a lot of people talk about different species that weren't discovered until fairly recently, you know, as far as humanity's timeline is concerned, at least, you know, the guerrilla Komodo dragon, things of that nature, and lots of people can rattle those names off and rattle off the facts. You know that they weren't discovered until this year or this year. But who discovered them? Who proved them?

You don't remember that name. You don't know that name. And I think that whoever would be the person to prove that Bigfoot existed, Yeah, they would have their paycheck given to them or whatever. They might get featured in, you know, a straight to streaming in the straight to Netflix movie or something. But overall they're not going to go down in the history books or anything. I think it would eventually just become as accepted and known and and

that would be it. It would just be another thing, and you know, another feather in the hat of humanity is something that we conquered. I don't I don't think that famine fortune is really all that much out there, like people think it is maybe fifteen minutes worth. I mean that's what yeah, no, I mean that's what TJS after. I mean, you could

you could imagine you could have a multi night special on it. You could have a Netflix documentary on it that would probably be you know, I mean there's money to be made uh in it, and well we don't know how long that would last. Like you said, you know, you might not remember them the way you remember like Howard Carter, you know, Unearthed too in common, you know what I mean. So it it's it's possible, but but really you know that fifteen minutes is definitely there, and and the

you know, the documentary movies and stuff. But again it's you know, what is what is really your goal? You know, you know, my my goal is just you know, for them, I want it. I'd love to get out there and experience it and not piss them off. But you know, relative to what you said before about trophy hunting, you know, you can envision things like people saying, if I'm going to go out and hunt these things, I have to up caliber. I have to get

to you know, different rounds. You know that we would use, you know, uh AR fifteen types, but you know of a larger caliber and different types of rounds with more stopping power. And then maybe get some military you know, ex military guys to come along that are down you know, you can imagine all kinds of scenarios that would take place if somebody wanted to trophy hunt it, and and that would increase their you know, their chances.

But again, is that good for you know, Bigfoot? You know, probably not, is somebody you know, unless you have the right people with you. Is there a chance that somebody could get shot um, you know, friendly fire? Yes? Is there a possibility that they could take out a youth or or a female or a female, you know, a pregnant female. It's it's quite possible. Is it possible that they're not taking

out an animal, they're taking out a person. It's possible. It's it's very very possible given the DNA uh, the potential uh, you know DNA numbers that could exist. So yeah, there's that too. So there's so many you know, you will started to hear. I mean, there's so many outcomes that aren't necessarily good for Bigfoot, and I just would like to

see the best outcome for them that they not die off. You know, I just heard yesterday I was listening to this short history podcast where they went over a lot, they went over a wounded knee, they went over um buffalo Bill Cody and how he got that nickname on killing buffaloes and how buffalo's one of the things that really as you well know, because you're you know, their cultured, you know much much better than I do that that um, there are a lot of white men that would kill the buffalo, take

the horns in the skin, and leave the rest of the animal there to rot, something that really pissed off Native Americans that used every part of that animal. When when they harvested them, and there was something like I don't remember did they say four million buffalo and then we got to under a thousand

at one point in the endangered part. I mean that you know, you hear those kinds of things, and that's you know, you kind of think about Bigfoot when when you hear those things, there's photographs up there, you know, especially the you know back then the rich people where all the money was was was with trains, you know, the train companies moving across you know, the frontier and everything connecting the east coast to west coast, and

they were the one that they were financing a large, large, large part of the buffalo slaughter taking place, because you know, the buffalo herds would just they were going through their grazing land. So you can't put a train track through a buffalo herd, you know, it's it's dangerous and it causes problems. So we've got to get rid of them. We got to eradicate them. And there's photographs out there of just these huge mounds of buffalo skulls

that I mean, it looks real, it looks fake. There's so many. It's just mind boggling. The way that the buffalo were slaughtered. It's it's absolutely crazy. It makes me ill. And it's through that prism that you have to view on what we're looking at today. And even though we're more we're significantly more civilized as a people than we were then, it's still um there's a certain potential that exists for some very negative outcomes for Bigfoot,

and that that that's the thing. It's just you know, just ask yourself, do I care about Bigfoot? Or do I care what the hell I want with Bigfoot? And if if it's that, then you know you know where you're at. And as long as you know where you're at, you're being honest with yourself. You know nobody's gonna you know, we can't nobody's going to change you. You know as a person, that's something that you know. You have to decide what you want, but just know what that

is. You have to you have to know Um and be able to put it all together and think about this, this creature if you believe it exists, and then think about, Okay, what do I want here and why? And what will be the result? And am I okay with that? Because I just don't care. I just want the result that I want. One final question before we get off here. Sure, whenever it comes to calling all beings, who has been your favorite guest? And why? Is it me? Just kidding? I won't I won't do that to you,

but we both know the answer. But no, seriously, last question for our generation, the people that are currently alive listening to this show right now, in your opinion, should we be preparing ourselves for the first alien contact? You know, if you listen to deb if you listen to Nathan and Nathan Um also has a show called Liminal Frames where he's on with this guy named exo Academian. His name is Darren and he has become, to use

another Yiddish word, a big macher in the in the UFO community. He's been to the Monroe Institute, He's learned how to remote view to a degree. He's had been to the Chris Bledsoe property and had some experiences. He receives downloads and when you listen to people like him, like deb and others, they believe that that we will. Um. So I don't have a feeling necessarily one way or the other. I don't have a I don't feel

like I have an insight or a perspective to offer. So I kind of lean on people that are feeling pretty confident about it, and those those individuals are and more than them. So so yeah, I mean I think you should open yourself up to that possibility. So there isn't what Darren would call

ontological shock by seeing something that we just don't understand. I kind of think along the lines of if something's going to happen, something's going to happen, and I'm not gonna be the one to you know, I can't control whether it happens or doesn't, so I can't be consumed with it. I'll just have to react to it when it happens and not you know, try not to get spun up over it. You know, there are probably things out there that we just don't I mean, there's certainly, you know, most

certainly things. There are intelligences out there and things out there that we don't understand, what my friend Matt Napp likes to call the unexplained. So rather than get spun up about them and become defensive, just be open to the fact that they exist, and that as long as they're not interfering in my space and life, then I'm not going to be consumed with grief or fear about it. DJ. Thank you for joining me, my friend, Thank you for reaching out to me, and thank you for introducing me to the

wonderful people you have so far. I look forward to meeting more people that you respect and validate and have a popular opinion of. I look forward to more conversations with you and just man, I can't say thanks enough. Man, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Pitch whatever you want to, pitch, man, I mean calling all beings. They can find you, they can find me, they can find Nathan and deb and lay A Prime and who else. Jeez, man, the list goes on and on. We're so blessed

to have such a great a great crew. Yeah. And well before I even you know, pimp anything for a CAB, I just want to say that it's an honored to be on here, to be on a Bigfoot show and to be able to offer perspective. It's an honor to be part of the community that I consider myself and just to have you as a friend and now as a as a colleague, and it's just am extremely gratified, just feeling feeling great, feeling like not must stay. The light in me sees

the light in you. And as far as um CAB is concerned, yeah, it's calling all beings on YouTube. We're on most major platforms. If there is one that you think we need to be on there, we're not on. Please DM Matt Nap at Bigfoot Crossroads because you'll remember him before you remember us, and and we'll we'll put ourselves on there. We do speak.

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