Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. This is Matt and I am joined by a very special guest. I have been trying to get to come on the show forever and can you believe this guy? He had the excuse of, Hey, man, I'm having my second daughter. Can we wait until next week? Mister Yahola Tiger of the war Cry Podcast, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir, Hey, how's it going, man? I mean yeah, I had to. I had to. I had to ditch you a little bit. Man. Sorry, I had to make sure that you were you know,
you were waiting, you know. Yeah, I like build up that anticipation. Yeah, you know, And like I've always been a fan of you know, this show. You know you You've done a lot of good stuff when it comes to the cryptic community, and so it's really, honestly for me, it's an honor to it to be on. Oh too kind, too kind. I'm just another oaky man and oky with interest and weird stuff
like you. Yeah, yeah, no doubt at all. Yeah. So you're originally from Taloqua, that's it, yeph born and raised, talent quality at its finest um. Yeah, especially in the Northeast area. You know, check You Nation Reservation, you know, every time that I do a podcast or you know, any type of you know thing that I do. And I also have another podcast called Unsolved Misues at the Reservation with Christopher Rompey Hill, Russell sun Eagle, and Tyler Randall. And I always got a
shout out to talk Quaw and Talaqua area. So yep, there's that shout out of Talaqua. If y'all y'all listen from there. Yeah, the Qua. I'd love to hear from some Tallequah listeners. That would be awesome. I don't know if I have any or not. A lot of people may not even know, Like what are they even saying? Tallequa? Yeah? And uh yeah, it's the capital of the Cherokee Nation, a pretty important place, man. So tell me some Tallequa stories, man, that's what
I want to hear first. For sure. I know there's some crazy stuff going on around Taalaquaw. And you are someone that seems, you know, connected to everybody. Man, you got tons of great stories, So hit me, man, what do you got? So? Okay, So, like I said, I'm going to raise Talaqua. I know I'm a laire about it. If you hear the name Tiger in that area, people probably you know point me out or put my grandpa out or even my dad.
And so um. One thing you know about that area, there's so many spots where there's been either you know, things happen when it comes to you know, bad energy or you know deaths. Uh, you know, can be really anything. We got some crypto, you got a lot of crypto activity out there. Um. But the first story I'm going to tell you,
and this is a story. You know, I've told this story on multiple you know, podcasts before, but I'm going to tell this story because I think it's important to who I am and where my stories come from. UM. So there's a park, um and it's called mural Home Park. Um. It is technically park Hill, um, but it's it's in the Telequaw vicinity. And you know, guy, I used to grow up, I grew I grew up there, playing in the creek down there and and
messing around at that house. This story, um is from my grandpa, and he would tell the story um pretty often, but you know he'd always tell it in kind of a you know, make sure you're you're careful with things. And this little this how the story goes, is this this young boy he was not acting right, you know, not really listening to his parents and you know, not really doing right and doing what's right. He used to sneak out a lot, and when he'd go down, you know,
to this Tomorrow Home park, he messed around down there. One night, he snuck out and he was making his way to the park and got to the park. He looks down he sees this fire. He goes, what is that? I don't know what that is? I guess I go check it out. And he goes down there and he got to kind of walk down this it's kind of it goes into a bank, but then it has us old kind of underneath the bridge kinda as you get down into the creek, and he sees this man down there in the robe and he's kind
of like, hmm. Guy welcomes and says, hey, you know, young man, what's what's going on with you? You know, come hang down, let's tell some stories. Let's let's let's talk a little bit. And so they're talking and you know, it's getting real late, and the young man, you know, he realizes it's getting kind of real late, and he notices the fire is going down, and the guy in the kind of this kind of overcoat said, hey, don't worry about it. Don't
worry about it. I'll get some more I'll get some more wood, and I'll get this fire going back, get it back to how it was. And the young, the young you know boy, he's okay, yeah, that sounds all right. You know it's I don't know what time it is, but I feel like we've got some time to hang out more, you know, chat. And as the man gets up and it's in his overcoat, the boy looks up and he goes he's really tall, he's really tall, and he looks down, and the man had hoofs for feet. Oh
man, But the boy took off running. He got he he he got home and you know he Sometimes that's you need those wake up calls to act right. And that's a story my grandpa always told you know about you know that he had heard kind of in that area. Um, but like I said, there's so many crazy things out there, and you know that park, there had been multiple suicides out there, and people would always say they saw shadow people out there on the trails, especially when you get an early
morning or late at night, you know. Growing up, Like I said, I was running around down there, and we'd be out there kind of getting you know, not late, but just kind of where it starts getting dust. And there's also and I'm not you know, I don't know. I guess I guess I'll go full blasts and save the names of these things. But um, you know, I know people, you know, you know, some people call them, you know, the wind days. Some people call them leper cons, but we um five civilized tribes, we call
them little people. They're out there too as well. And I'll tell you a story, another story. So I was a little boy growing up at that at that park, you know, my elementary school with all wildcats, you know, I shout out to them to that school. You know, I graduated from there as a young young buck um. But we had a four age or it was like an Earth Day. It was some type of
event that was going on. It was right before the time change. I've been a month before the time change, and so they guy was still getting dark pretty early, about five thirty ish, and it had run a little late, and we were kind of you know, getting back kind of late on the on the school bus. So we stopped at about four o'clock to kind of hang out and and at Moral Home Park to be you know, we're hanging out Moral Home Park and you know, we all they decided let's
play hide and go seek out and out in those trails. So if if you guys, you know at home listening, if you google Moral Home Park, you'll see that there's a bridge that leads one loan bridge that leads into this trail. Into the trail goes left, right, and forward and up the middle. The further you get, the higher the trail goes. And I always knew when it starts getting dust like this, you don't go up
to the higher trails, because that's what they say. That's where I was told that, you know, those people you know committed you know, let you know, commit suicide up there. And so we're playing down at the bottom level. It's still pretty light outside, and we're running around and I get tagged it. You know, I'm the person that's supposed to be catching people. So I'm running and i'm running. I see this this shadow of this smaller person, and I'm thinking that's one of my classmates, and I'm
chasing. I'm rarely running, really trying to catch it, getting about, you know, one foot a couple of feet away from this thing, and almost about to get them in right as I go to get them, I miss them, and they take off a little faster. And as they as they keep going, Um, I started realizing I'm not on the trail anymore, and I'm not quite on the main path and being you know and living out there and not living out there, but you know, being out there
a lot growing up. I kind of started to realize I'm not on the trail anymore, and I'm going off to this game trail and I'm starting to realize that, and I go, I'll kind to look around and say, oh, I'm not nowhere where I need to be. You know, that's what they do to you. That's what you know, some of these shadow things do, or you know, little people, you know, they they they distract you, and that's what they do two younger kids. Because I
think it's because of the innocence thing. Kids don't really know, you know, they really don't know what they you know, what adults know. And you know, I realized that because like I was always very aware of weird things growing up, Grandpa will always be telling us I listened to him. You know, all my other cousins will kind of be laughing around, and oh that's you know, they ain't nothing out there like that. And I
took this serious. I really took it serious. Um. And you know that's an example of that moment where I you know, I took my grandpa and my grandma. You know, she was she's full blood, both my grandpa's full blood Creek and my Stoga Creek, and um, my grandma was a mix of a mosh posh of kay Wood shining a Rapaho um and Cherokee. And so they knew things and they you know, you always got to
listen, you know, to your elders. And that's one thing that I try to do growing up is listen to them, like, hey, if they don't look right, it don't sound right, it's probably not right. And that in that story, you know that you know, me getting kind of distracted off, you know, you know that's how you know, we always talk about or not we but you know most people always talk about those missing people. How you know they get kind of you know, how do
they get twenty five miles away? You know, that's kind of a crazy little thing to think about. But but yeah, those are a couple of stories, you know, kind of starting out as as a young young kid in talent call um, you know that. You know that very interesting, very you know, something I think about quite quite a bit. Yeah, you know, uh, growing up in Oklahoma, Uh, myself as a non native, but having lots of native friends, growing up, my family,
friends with other families and stuff. You know, you hear a lot of weird stuff like this. You hear about a lot of things, but people don't understand that these aren't just stories. This stuff really does happen,
and these things are real. And one time I was briefly talking to another guy from Oklahoma on the show about you know, dear woman, and somebody made the comment, you know that, well, this is why people don't take bigfoot seriously, because it gets lumped in with all this other stuff that's made up. It was just like, man, buddy, careful, now, careful. Now, we're not even supposed to be talking about this. And I went out on a limb and talked about it, and now here
you are doing that. This stuffs. Really, you know, I don't really like to talk about it much. But I mean, I'm pretty sure that I had a little people encounter one time right here in the middle of Tulsa. It was the first house that I lived in on my own after moving out. I was eighteen, and the previous owner of the house, the people that owned it, their son had been living there, and I
guess he had a drug problem and he had overdosed in the house. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but whenever I was moving in, there was a little Native lady that lived in the house behind it, and she came over and introduced herself, and she said, I just wanted you to know that whenever the house was empty, I heard that someone was moving in, and I smoked the house for you because there was some negative
spirits in here, bad energy. And I think during everything, you know, I appreciate I was familiar with, you know, what she had done and everything. And she said, oh, by the way, there's also little people around here. I leave food out behind my house for him, so if you see him, don't be afraid. They won't mess with you or anything. And I just kind of like, okay, I mean, I had heard of little people before, but we're in the middle of Tulsa,
you know, like it wasn't that I didn't believe. It was just like, okay, well, you know, I yeah, I just didn't take it too serious. And one night I was sitting out on the front
porch and there's a the shrub at the corner of the porch. It's an old wooden porch, you know, covered porch, and so like I'm sitting on the steps and the bush is at the corner of the porch, and then there's a gap between the bush and the front corner of the house at the end of the porch, and I kind of saw something catch my eye, some movement by the front of the bush, but I couldn't quite see. I mean, you know, it's the middle of the night, it's
dark out. I don't have any lights or anything. And I thought it was a cat or something like a stray cat at first, and so it kind of runs around the corner of the bush, and I see the bush shake a little bit. So I'm looking at the gap at the end of the porch between the bush in the corner of the house. But a cat didn't run by what I saw. I mean, it literally looked like a
little person about two feet tall or so. I could see from basically the waist up, because that was the part that was above the porch, you know, that I could see. And it looked pretty uniform in color. It was dark head to toe or whatever. Everything I could see was darker in color. It didn't seem black in color. It seemed brown. But the weirdest part about it, man, is it looked like it was wearing some kind of clothing, like homemade clothing or something, some kind of shirt.
And I mean, it just ran fast right past that opening at the end of the porch. I was probably, I don't know, about eight feet away from it, and I saw it, and I jumped up, and I ran around the end of the porch and looked down between the houses, you know, and uh, there wasn't nothing there. I couldn't see anything. And I thought about going down the side of the house, uh, you know, to see if it was in the back or something, and uh, I decided against it. I just went inside the house.
And I mean that house had all kinds of you know, paranormal stuff going on. Just wasn't a good place for me to be living anyways. Um, But yeah, I thought that was the darnest thing. I mean, from that point on, I took it real serious. You know, I didn't question that kind of stuff no more. Yeah. You know that's one thing too that you know, I've we've I've discussed it and you know,
unsolved missies in the reservation uh Fellas. We we've discussed this, you know, on a on a podcast episode about about little people and this land that that sits you know, in the north east from park or the northeast, but then going into like where Tulsa is, you know, that's all that land used to not be what it is today. And one thing that that as mankind has kind of you know, taken over you know us, you know, human beings. We start making places our home. We don't realize
and a lot of people, non natives don't realize this. But you know, you could be building, you know, you see this pot of land that's got two acres and you know, and and you know it's got real, real nice creep behind it. It's just a beautiful spot. But you don't realize that could be someone that could be something's home and you build, you know, on things and you and one thing about little people, they
do have trails, um, and they do you travel them. And it sounds like that lady was not I'm not gonna say, protecting the neighborhood, but almost kind of helping y'all out. Yeah, because y'all might have been on y'all's houses, might have could have been on the couple of their trails. And and that's how that's how you you, uh, you make peace with them, is by offering them. They called a food plate, some
people called a spirit plate. That's for people that have passed on. But you know those plates, uh you know that A funny, you know, really funny story about my grandma. When she was growing up, she didn't have a door or window. Um, this is out in bunch, Oklahoma. Um. She should never really like to tell this story, but I had to get it out of her, you know, as I got older, I said, hey, tell me that story about you saw that that little person. And she was a little girl, you know, real little.
And one night she was uh, you know, laying because I said, there was one room, no door that had an old you know ended blanket over the door, and you know they had it was a real, real poor house. And one night she was sitting there and laying laying in her bed, and she kind of heard something rustling around and she looked and there was a she's a little a little real little person um and you know, grabbing stuff off the you know, off this plate that was left.
And she thought was like, okay, well, I don't that's I don't know, maybe I'm seeing things. And so she asked her her family member, and the family says, yeah, we we built a house accidentally on their trail, and we have to make sure that we we make peace with them and let them know that we're sorry and that we uh and that we
that we respect them. Well, then you know, a couple of nights later she ended up seeing it. It's and and and I'm giving this is kind of some you know inside you know inside kind of information, not inside information, but you know, some information. But you know, they they dressed in that old style. That's how they dress. It's uh, and it's not I don't want to say people was always buckskin, and you know, it's not not really that. It's could be deer hide or you know,
it could be you know, it could be anything. You know, they how they dressed in the old way, and that's what they look like. But you know there's two different there's multiple kinds of little people too. Um. You know, you got the kind that's that's going to help you and the kind that's more trickster like. Um. And you know those guys they dressed a little bit more tattered clothing as if like they're homeless, and they they're those are the kind those are the the types that make you lose
your mind a little bit. Like if you're out, you know, kind of in the woods, or you know, you could be walking down the road, you know, and you know your sidewalk and all of sudden you kind of see something. You're like, oh, what does that? And you keep falling and next you know you're, you know, fifteen miles away from your house or something. Crazy. Um. You know, they you know they do. You know another kind of thing that they do is that
they they work time. So they put something. Someone said this, you know the greatest way I've ever heard it said, and I cannot remember how I said it, but essentially they pull land masks together, they let you walk through it, and then they pull it back at how it was. And I can't remember how they explain that. But if that makes sense exactly and then they pull you through and then you're where you're at, you know,
miles away. I've heard that too. And so like I said, those those those beings, I said, I'm real kind of you know, there should be some natives listening to this, like all he's telling all the secrets. But yeah, you know, my my thing is is I'm very I'm very cautious when I talk about them. Um. You know, every time I talk about these things, I always you always, I always take care of myself. Um. And that's one thing that, um, if
you know what I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. But you know, as I make sure we do that, I do that, you know, like when we get off here, I'll do I'll take care of myself and take care of my house and my family. But you know that's one thing that you know, with our with our Unsolvedashes of the Reservation podcasts, you know, we get a little flat from that when we start
talking about the these real beings, these are real things. Um. You know, we get stories from people, and I get stories from people all over Indian country, all over the place, you know, all over the country, non natives too. You know that they tell like, hey, I think I might have seen one, or I might have seen or you know, you know, I had a non native relative who got who got
basically taken off by them. Oh wow, you know he got he got he was hunting, he was out hunting, and all next thing, you know, he's like fifteen you know, I don't know the distance, but he's a he's a good amount away from his truck and he wasn't nowhere near where he was supposed to be. Um And so they do that, they
do the missing time, and they do they do things like that. I was going to ask you if you do get any sort of you know, flack or heat for talking about some of these things, because you know, from the episodes of your podcast that I've listened to, you know, you talk pretty openly about a lot of stuff, and I know a lot of
natives are like, man, we don't talk about that stuff. You know, you're not supposed to talk about it, you know, for the very reasons that you're you know talking about, you know, taking care of yourself in your house afterward. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's you know that I'm gonna be honest with you know, like we you know, we on my podcast Warcraft Podcasts and also Unsolved, you know, we we
do get we do get some heat from some people. And you know, it is what it is, you know, I mean, it's it's a and I'm gonna say this, you know, And no disrespect to the elders or anybody who's old head, but you're an old head. We're in twenty twenty three. We are losing our culture. You know, some of the stories that I was told growing up. I asked some people with my same
age and they don't know nothing about it. And I get, you know, I get real not emotional, but I get real passionate about that, um because you know, you say, we're not supposed to talk about these things, but a lot of a lot of our natives and the relatives actually
then don't know nothing about it. You know. That's one thing that you know, people like you know, I could use you for an example, that house that you were in that you didn't know, um, you know, you didn't know what was going on, and it's causing you problems, health problems, mental problems that we cause you all types of these problems. And if you don't know what it is and what the symptoms are and what
you know, what's going on? You know, you how can you take care of yourself if you don't know that, you know, little people running around or um you got miss and going on happening and and things like that that are better affecting you. And so I think we do a lot. I do a lot of my my information telling just to help people out. And that's really what it comes down to. Um is helping because somebody,
like I said, some people just don't know, you know. So let's talk about bigfoot man young any Talentqua Bigfoot stories because let me tell you something. I don't know if you're familiar with them or not, but I've got family in Taalaqua. My uncle was pretty well known. He was Judge Bliss, Judge Bill Bliss. Oh okay, yeah, I do I know that name. Yeah, and uh, you know he's passed on now. But I had gotten into bigfoot before he passed away. And you know, he
didn't make fun of me for it. You know, he would talk to me about it and everything. And I'd always asked him, you know, tell me some Bigfoot stories about tall Aqua. I know you got sorry, you know, And because a few times it's been on the news and stuff.
I remember growing up as a kid, you know, there was some stuff going on out there, and he told me that, you know, one of the deputies there in tall Quah went out and took a report and like saw tracks and everything else and was completely convinced that they were real. Lots of stories, you know about stuff around, you know, the Illinois Reverend everything. So do you ever hear anything from out there? Maybe a pumpkin hollow or something. Um, So, yeah, I've heard some stories.
I you know, I'm not gonna say quite a bit, but I've heard quite quite a few stories. Um. First story that comes to mind is, so when you're entering Talent Wall from um and I can't think of the highway or the inners or whatever it's called highway that you're as you're going into Talent Wall, you got a cheer connation on your right and you're going on down. You go through the light and now there's a case he's in the casino that we're out there on the right hand side as you're getting into
main Talent Wall. Well, that used to be a golf course and that used to be a pastor right out there. Years ago. Yeah, you
know, I had my my dad's best friend. He was traveling down that backside road that goes next to the golf course but next next to that pastor, and he was driving, I don't know, for some reason, he slowed down because I think he saw something and the he doesn't really quite know why he did this, but he thought he saw something off on the right hand side, so he slowed down to kind of maybe not hit it, you know, maybe not a bit of deer or something, because deer real
big in that area. And when he did, he hit his brakes and as he hit his brakes, he saw something tall and Harry go right next to his car. You know, it literally passed right where his headlights, like he could see basically the kind of I'd probably say probably quads, yea, But it just was real quick, you know, like and you know, in the in the tel lights and you know, I know, Ohnul, you're probably gonna ask me what my theory is on big Foot, because
I know I feel like that's a question that's asked all the time. But you know, when he saw that, he he didn't remember if we're about you know, up until about a year ago, huh, and he had told that story to my to my dad. This is probably and I don't know how I remember the story. I just remember stories that hit me. I guess impact me. I guess because I guess I traveled down that road
a lot, you know, growing up. And I said, you know, I said to my desk, I may remember when he told that story about that, and he goes, man, I remember something like that, you know, And so he asked him. He said, I don't remember any story like that, huh. And I'm kind of like so then I
asked him again, I said, you remember that. So he had kind of sat back because he had told the story being mine, this is twenty years ago when he told the story to my dad, and my dad had related to me I might have been eight years old, and you know, so he related. So then he sat and he kind of thought, he said, man, I it's almost like it like it wiped my mind.
And you know, it gets into kind of some theories on that, but you know, that's kind of the stories he you know, he saw the you know, the creature literally right off his his tail lights, walk all the way to the other side of the pasture. Um, and that's it's a real simple encounter. But there's more to that. And and I don't want to get too far along. I know you want to hear and well, we'll talk some more stories. But that's very interesting to me. It's
interesting. Well let's just go ahead and talk about that. I mean, we you know, we can get back to the stories. But I'm interested in hearing you know, your take on stuff, because you know, you hear different things and I'm not so sure. You know, I'm not at the same place I used to be, you used to be out of strictly, this is flesh and blood. This is just an undiscovered animal of some
kind. It's you know, higher intelligence primate or something like that. And the more I've gone and the more stories I've heard, and you know a few things that I experienced that you know, left me kind of wandering. Uh, I'm interested to hear what your take is, especially with you know, saying he kind of felt like he had his mind wiped. So I say that, and he, you know, like I said, he you know, kind of didn't relay the same story back to me, and I'm
just like, man, that's crazy. So kind of what my thought is on that is I believe Bigfoot has has abilities and knowledge that we humans don't have currently. And it's not a technology thing. It's not it's not an AI, it's not any type of you know, you know, something other than what the Creator has given us. And what the Creator has given us, you know, we have lost that as we've gained technology. And when he says his mind was wiped, they do that to you. You know.
I hear people talk about cloaking. That's a that's a huge thing. People always talking about cloaking. I see it all over people every Facebook group. And yeah, I'm gonna tell you what cloak that is, and I'll and I'll tell a story with it. And this is my opinion. This is only you know, from what I gathered and hearing these stories. My grandpa back he knew something. He knew some things. And when I say do some things, that means he knew how to do some do things to
make things easier. In terms of medicine or magic, Native people called Native American magic, and that's kind of what I've heard non natives call it. I call it medicine. I call it medicine too. You're all right, okay, So I just want to make sure I clarified that. So people were like, what is he talking about medicine, Like I be profen. Yeah. Uh, you know he worked at he worked at an all an All Native College, uh fro about from you know, his entire career.
He retired there. It's a Muskogee um at bake Home College and Shogi and they were going through some turmoil years, you know, when he was kind of getting towards the end of his time there. And you know, one thing he always told me, he said, you can hide yourself, but the only people that can find you are the people that are looking for you. And that always stuck with me, and it's stuck with me. And he told me that. You know, I might have been in elementary school
or maybe even middle school when he told me that. And I relate to Bigfoot because they know things too. You know. People talk, like I said, talk about cloaky. If they don't want you, if they don't want you, if they don't want to be seen by you, you will not see them. And it has nothing to do with any type of electronical you know, or any type of AI system or yeah, you know Harry
Potter Cloak. You know, nothing like that they they will not be I know, people say, oh, whether they're camouflage, they got their hair blends in with the trees. That's yeah, that is a part of it. But they can they can make themselves disappear. I know Seminoles believe that.
I know, Muscogee Creeks believe that, the Cherokees believe that. Um, I know, Choctaw believe that, and you know, so on and so forth, you know, And when it comes to them as a as an entity or a being, I don't believe they come from outer space. I don't believe they travel through portals. I don't believe I don't believe that they they Um, what's a I'm trying to think all these series of people have Yeah, I know. I mean what I believe is they've been here
longer than we have been. I believe that they. I believe because the ancient the ancient Indians tell us, you know, and they you know, and stories have been passed down from a long time ago that they were here, you know, and we lived in uh we lived in uh cohesion with them, and that we offered them things and then they offered they gave us
things back, and they did those things for us. And that's that goes all the way back to every tribe, you know, knowing the man, They've had these stories and you know, I make you know, that's just kind of my belief of it. What happens is is once you once a generation is gone, the next generation doesn't doesn't know what the last generation knew. So you know, we look back, you know, you know, to the old days, the ancient ways, you know, and that medicine
was so strong, it was so strong. I mean it may it makes today's medicine look like, you know, like you said, it's like trying to put a band aid on a on a you know, gash, you know, like you've been ripped open. That's what it looks like. You know, that medicine was so strong, and every generation it gets a little bit weaker because it's not being fully to pass down. Now, not saying that there isn't people out there that know the full ways, but it's less
people, is what I'm saying. Same thing that I believe with Bigfoot, the Cherokeees called in the Secret Tribe, we call them the Secret Tribe, is because they're we believe that they're people, that they are people not people
in the sense of human beings, but they're they're their own people. It's like, and my belief is is that their medicine has gotten weaker and weaker through the generation, so not every single one of them can do it, much like I don't practice medicine much like you know, you know some guy, you know God would here done practice medicine, but this person does over here. I much. That's that's how I view it. I view it as in, you know, the losing of the culture and the losing of
this medicine. I equate equate the same thing to bigfoot, And I believe that's what it is, because you know, there you do have some that cloak, but then you also have some that just it's almost like they swat down and they're gone, or you know, or they um or like they'll take a step into a tree and like the person you know will won't you know, they'll keep recording, but they then they'll just disappear, you know. I I believe, I said, I believe that when they want you,
they when they want to be seen, they'll be seen. You know. That makes a lot of sense, at least to me, especially the part about some of them, you know, still able to practice medicine and do things that others can't, you know, especially in the sense of them having a culture and being a type of people, it would make sense for that same situation to be happening in their culture as is happening in your mum.
So that's really interesting because I've always wondered, you know, like well, why didn't this one, you know, like how why did I see one? Why didn't it just cloak or turn invisible if they can do that. But what you're saying, you know, makes a lot of sense and explains that. Yeah, and yeah, that'sp thing that you know. You know, there there may be some people to disagree, and that's fine.
I don't I don't don't mind that because I know each person has a different experience and I'm not a researcher, but what I am as a story collector in a storytelling and from what I hear and you know, from what I've been you know, you know, given in terms of information, that's just the that's the best I can do at this time. You know, I said I used to believe. I don't say I really used to believe that
they came through portals because I couldn't. It didn't make sense of how they were disappearing, like they'd stepped behind a tree and then be gone, and people, you know, are they would are they you know they are? Foot tracks would end up, you know, you'd be falling them all the way down and you'd be tracking the foot footprints and then all of a sudden they're gone. Now, that to me never made sense. So I was thinking maybe that they were just disappearing. But then, you know, I'll
kick it back old school here. And so back in the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds, there was a man named Chitto Harjoe. He was a Muscogee Creek band. My family, they used to run around. They were called snakes, and my Edward Scott was my ken who was running around with him.
And Chitto told, uh, you know, people in his in his snake game, that when he was hiding from the federal government, a big foot showed him how to disappear, gave him that medicine, showed him the old ways, and they couldn't find ship though for a long time up in you Fall for you Fall area, and that's well documented. And you know he had said that, you know, he was hiding and he saw you know, one of them came up and gave him, you know, kind
of showed him how to turn into a stump. And he turned into a stump right in front of him, you know, right in front of the people after him. Wow. And so that's where and that's a lot of you know, kind of I talked about that, that kind of that story. I think it's like episode two of my of the war Cry podcast, my podcast. Um, and I'm you know, I give you a little bit more information here kind of what I believe because I try to remove what
I believe and just give people what, you know, the information. And but that's that's a lot where my my belief stands from. And there was another gentleman named Tim Harjoe. He uh, he was on Bigfootville. If you guys remember the doc You remember the documentary Bigfootville that was taking place. Yeah, yeah, I know who Tim Harjoe is for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And so he said on it, he said, you know, he called it magic, but you know everyone knows in the Indian community he
means medicine, you know, and the ability to do things. Um. And so you know, a lot of my beliefs I you know, of these things, and just from the information I've been given from people, you know, leads me to believe that that's what they're doing. Is they're just you know, some people. Some of them are cloaking or doing their you know, disappearing act, and some of them, you know, I think
some of them have abilities that we can't comprehend. And I think that, you know, that's why they you know, that's why we can't see certain things about them, and that's why we have no recollection of them, you know, like they'll wipe your mind or you know, they'll make you, you know, forget where you know you're at, or you know, things like that. Have you HEARDing stories about them talking yes and no um?
And I can't verify where I heard this story from. I know it's in a Cherky nation, um part aspect of this, and I know the Muscoe some Muscogee Creek, and I know that I've heard over the over the years that they do some type of samurai chatter mum. But I've I've heard that it's like the story that I was heard that they heard someone talking in the woods and it sounded and it didn't sound human. And it wasn't really a talk. It was like a whisper. And this is out in uh,
kind of out there by Tin Killer Lake. Yeah, I had heard a story of someone out in the woods. Um And I can't remember, must not have been my grandpa's told me the story. But I was always I was always asking him about you know, oh, did you hear this about this? Because like I would hear these theories and ask him if he heard a story about it. Um And yeah, but that's the only thing I've heard about it is that they heard whisper. It sounded like a human talking,
but it wasn't a human. It was like a louder whisper. It sounded and it didn't sound like it made sense. Hm. I was just curious because I talked to an elder which woman one time, and she said that they and speak whatever the language is, the language of the tribe in the area that they're in. Now, obviously they're seen in places where there are no tribes, but here in Oklahoma, they're usually seen around tribes and reservations and stuff. And uh, I was just curious if you had ever
heard anything like that. No, Yeah, I mean I hadn't heard anything like that. But I would not be surprised honestly, because I mean, I mean, like I said, kicking aback, you know, telling old stories is um. So back in the old days, my ancestor, Jackson Lewis, was a vest inn really powerful medicine from the Mustoga Creek, and he would get calls from time to time to go out to southern Oklahoma and southern you know or you know, you know basically I guess the southern Oklahoma,
southeast Oklahoma. Yeah, he would get, he would get He would have choke tall people come and get him at his house here, you know, in the Fall area. And a story that came out of that was that, uh that basically chalk calls would would practice. You know, they're still they're getting their strength to face you know, whatever tribe or whatever clan
or you know whatever. You know. The occasion was they would prepare for their stake ball games, uh by boiling, you know, getting hog fat, boiling and greasing themselves down and and speaking you know, to to Bigfoot to have him come out and wrestle. They would wrestle Bigfoot. Um. And that does lend credence because you know, I don't I mean I know
there. You know, it's the territory thing. I don't know if they have to s territrialine that stuff, but you know, it is very interesting that, you know, you you have intermixings of different tribes and clans and different areas and different dialects, and for them to be able to understand all those languages, those dialects, the slang for that tribe you know, or that specific clan. You know, that's that's very interesting. You know,
I may have to start asking around about that. I just had never thought about, you know, the language part of that. Yeah. And then I've also heard stories about them coming out to Powell Grounds. Yes, man, okay, so I'll tell you this is. Uh So, we had a we had an event out Pawnee, Oklahoma, and it was a storytelling event and a man I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say his name, but hey ended up winning the contest, the storytelling contest, and he was out.
I think it was in the in the Dakotas I believe, or he might I can't remember exactly where he was at, but he was. He told the story as uh, you know, they were winding the Powell you know, down and they were doing their final dances, and they were hitting that drum. You can see off in the corner, off kind of a little ways down off the kind of at the edge of the tree line, you can see a big foot sitting there, kind of swaying, you know,
it was watching them. And so when the drum stopped, he walked, he walked back, you know, back into the tree line. And he said he sat there and watched him. He said, it wasn't you know, it sat there for the entire final drum. I was like, man, that's you know, that's of those When I heard that story, I immediately got goose bubbs because you know, you you you know me.
I mean, I've experienced some things, but you know, when it comes to you know, actually you know, seeing something that doesn't make sense to you your mind, you know, and for it to be be there, you know, I thought it was a pretty wicked story from him. And and he's he's Pawny pawnny uh Pawny Indian. So but yeah, I had heard I had heard multiple stories about that, and you know I had another story. Um, you know back this isn't uh. I believe in talent
wall. But they used to hear something scream, and it was it'd be like a like a basic guitars and yale and it would go around the pow Wow grounds wow, all the way around it, and it would stop for a second and it would do it again. And I never can figure out what that was. But most most ceremonial grounds and most pow Wow you know grounds are near some sort of water. So, yeah, and people always say Bigfoot travels in those those waterways. You know, there's a lot of
stories of people encountering them around h old Indian graveyards too. Do you think there's some sort of connection with that or do you think it's just because you
know, most of those graveyards are out in the woods anyways. Yeah, you know, you know, we were I used to do some investigating back when I was in high school and kind of early college days, and we went out to the cemetery out in Brags Brags, America Brags, Oklahoma, um, and we got to a certain point in the in the cemetery cemetery was it was more wrecked, but it was like long ways, so the more you walked into it, the more graves you saw. And it was
and it had the cemetery on the other side of the road. But this was an older part of the cemetery, and we were walking down and and and uh. As we were, you know, I started noticing hearing something like it was following us. So it was matching our footsteps all the way down. And I when we stopped, it stopped. And then when we kind of kept going, it stopped, and you know, I heard my
spidy senses started kind of kicking in. I'm like, all right, you know it's time to probably get on out of here and disrespecting someone where we were disturbing. But I think a lot of my thought with that is we don't you know, the big Foot, in my opinion, is here to protect our force and our in our woods. And I know that's a belief of you know, some tribes and some native people, is they are protectors
of of our of our woods. I mean, you always hear those stories of you know, when they're doing when they're chopping trees down, you know, especially up in Pacific Northwest and places like that. You know, you hear about them. You know, reckon uh, you know, the equipment or turning you know, turning full bulldozers over and just doing all types of crazy stuff and tormenting people. So you know, I believe, you know,
I believe that they're they're there for a purpose. Now that purpose, you know, they could be washing over the cemetery or also could be you know, um kind of coincidence. But I would say there was to be something to it, because I it seems like a lot you know, a lot of stories that I've heard about cemeteries. They always hear some type of big foot activity out there. Um, I know that there's uh, there's
a grave site. Um now it's it's out and you fall. It's out in west you fall, and there's an old cemetery that's not even marked. It's one of those old cemeteries. And they've always they've encountered some things out there that's been like, you know, they'd see it almost like a face in the woods, like watching them. You know, they wouldn't quite see
a face, but didn't look like a face. And they always felt like somebody was watching them out there, making sure, I guess, making sure that those those souls are you know, those people are protected that are that are buried there. You know. One of the more popular cryptids, especially on the Internet, is the dog Man. You know, these werewolf type creatures. Have you heard any Native stories about dogmen? Have there been any sightings or anything like that? Yeah, I have a few. Um So,
I just released an episode on Dogman this past week. Um and I do tell a story in that podcast about um So this is from this is a Cherokee country And there was a lady she you know, she was reals kind of scurity cat, didn't really want to, you know, deal with any of the spooky stuff. Well, they heard some coyotes yelping one one night out kind of uh off in the distance, and her cousins or family whoever, you know, younger guys were like, hey, let's go check
it out. And she's like, no, I'm not going out there. So then they end up going out there, and you know, they all all come running back hard, you know, real scared, and she goes, what did you see? What did you see? What did you see? And here they go, oh, He's like, man, we saw this wolf. It was honest. It was standing up straight and it sounded
like a baby crying. It sounded like a little baby, you know, like a baby you know, a wolf or something, you know, like a like a real small animal and it was this big you know, eight eight foot tall dog man or werewolf, you know type creature. And you know, I've heard those stories. Um. You know there is one and I think and I know, I said, I don't know if it's Talent Wall or if it's north of Talent Wall, but I know that there is one that walks down the walks down the road of in one of those one
of those old roads. There is one that travels those roads and people have seen it walking like literally on this dirt road, walking in the middle of the dirt road at night, just walking. Um. And you hear those stories, you know from elders, um, but a lot of our stories are more shape shifter stories. Um. You know, there was a gentleman
out of Kenwood. He gives me stories from Salina, Kenwood and those areas, and he was telling me that there was these two Cherokee women who just real beef, like had real beef their entire lives, like just can not get over whatever they were fighting about. And they end up in the same nursing home and when they you know, at night, everybody would kind of shut down all the nighttime. Nurses would sometimes uh these black dogs or black
wolves walking the halls, going into each other's rooms. So you know, I've heard different stories about that, you know, and it's it's it's a lot. It's pretty pretty spooky. You know. I haven't experienced any dog men stuff, but you know that dog mean to most natives that we I think we consider it more shape shifter than we do dog mean. I would say. That's another thing I was going to ask you about, just to
get your take on it. You know, somehow it became cool to start including skin walkers in with cryptids, and uh, I just wanted to get your take on a skin walker, what your thoughts are on them? Is it something that people should even be talking about on the internet and the same breath as a cryptid? Yeah, in my opinion, though, they should not be lumped in with cryptids. Um. You know Chris Christopher Honk hill Um, he has worked with multiple tribes and he's a buddy and a you
know, in a co host for Unsolved Mysteries. Um, he travels all over the place, and he is you know, I trust I really really love his opinion on this and and you know he I love the way, you know, way he talks about this. But my opinion of it is, and he's told the story, it's not skinwalkers are not cryptids. They're they're actual people like the's, people that can do things, UM. And they're usually not not good people like they're not They're they're out there to get
something from you. UM. A story I was told and this is kind of something I find very interesting. UM. You know, he said Christopher honk Hill. He had mentioned uh to us that he was at a at a conference, you know, one of these Indian conferences that they have, UM and this was I believe it was out in New Mexico. And one of the ladies goes, hey, you know, we need to be careful
around here, since there's a lot of Indians around here. We need to let people know that don't go that, don't go over here, you know, or don't you know, don't don't do this, or don't do that, or make sure you're you're you're safe if you're gonna be out and about.
And Chris, being the guy he is, he said, well, I don't take me to him, and you know, so the girl takes him out there in this ATV or this Polaris vehicle and one thing that he said that was kind of chilling to me is that it's you know, you you can hear them, you can call him, you go to the spot where you believe that they are at, you can call them. And if they sound like they're far away, they're close. And if they if they
sound like they're close to you, that means they're far away. And that always just kind of gave me a chill, like you know, they could be. And so my opinion of it as I see people labeling uh, skin walkers just you know, oh, this is like this like always, and it's always some like pale, ball headed type you know being that they say, and I'm you know, I'm but no, because you know, my my thing is you know, you you're you're you're making light of things
that are very dangerous. Um. There are people that are being showed these you know, that are that have these this knowledge and they can do very bad things and people wonder. And this is another thing too that you know, people that are non natives who like to you know, profit off Native American information and culture, um like I see on YouTube and TikTok and things
of that nature. That could be why things go bad in your life and you don't know how to fix it because that's a different type of thing. And you know, talking about these things, you know, like you know, like my grandpa always says, if you look forward, it's going to find you. If you just look hard enough, it's gonna find you. Everyone I've talked to about it native wise, you know, it's I mean, I know what they are, and it's not something you talk about because
you don't. It's not someone you want to mess with. It's not something it's not neat to see somebody or meet one or get one's attention or anything like that. And I don't really know how they ended up as some kind of creature, you know, to be lumped in with cryptids. It's it's just kind of mind blowing. But it's certainly taken off on the Internet and become kind of a normal thing, you know, to talk about skinwalkers with cryptids, and it's just kind of crazy to me. Well, it was
like a wind ago. Remember the wind ago was a hot thing about five years ago. Yeah, I mean anything with the wind to go, the wind to go is a spirit that's not a that's that is not a a flesh and blood type thing. Now it becomes that, yeah, it does, but it's a spirit. It's of bad intent and of Campibellism. Those tribes up Nor that's what they that's the wind to Go was not a a
creature. It was what you It was someone who came that right, And you know that's not just some like oh it's a it's a thing with Antlers. You know, another movie Antlers came out, which they did a decent job because that's what happens. That's exactly like Antlers is probably the most accurate wind Togo movie because that's what happens. You you and you know you're doing bad things and you know, you get crossed up with this bad spirit because
your life is terrible and you're trying to make it better. But then all of a sudden, you know, you got you have to sacrifice something to you know, to do this, and then that that bad spirit takes over and that's what happens, and you know that's like it's I saw that too a couple of years ago. I said, man, they're they've been taking all this stuff and trying to trying to read make Yeah. Yeah, so let me ask you this man, what is something out there that people don't
know about that you don't really hear people talking about that. You've heard stories and you know is out there, man. Okay, So I know this is something in Native contative country in native lands, and it's a very prevalent thing. Um. But one thing that really the most scared I've ever been in my life and in hearing these stories and experiencing it for myself, there is a creature, an entity of being called a tie snake. Now I'm not going to give its name, it's it's Cherokee or its creek name,
um, but I call it tie snake um um. And this snake is basically the king of the water. And how I was brought up to understand how this this being was is it travels through floods and they can shrink into the smallest size it could be like a mole like on a molecule, but like the smallest size half inch, until it can grow to like one hundred feet long. And this snake, you know, has been you know, the reason for you know, some things happening in native country and um,
you know native waters and things like that. I'm gonna tell you this is a pretty long story, but I'm gonna tell it to you because this is what I experienced with this snake. I was a college kid at Northeastern State University in tallentqua Um. I used to float the Illinois River all the time. I loved it, you know, and that's you know, it brings back a lot of good members thinking about that, because I've been on that river basically my entire life. One afternoon, you know, you don't really
ask. You know, when you're younger, you don't really pay attention to the news too much. You're not really worried about things like that. And you know, that summer there was a lot of drownings. There was a lot of drownings. And we were floating the river and I happened to see off to my right hand side there was a little boy. He was playing on some branches that were sticking out of the water. And I thought to myself, as a man, like a little little boy better be careful,
I said, man, that's the current could kid him. Because at this time the water was kind of dark. It was as it was deeper than it normally was, and I was thinking, you know, oh he better
get off where even something's gonna happen to him. Well, we kept going um and we get to this deep part of the river where it kind of it kind of curves left and it kind of goes back right, and then it curves back and left, and then you get to you know, you'll get to you know, you start getting to the floating places where you could you know, where you put your wrapt up. And I look up ahead and I see the water and the water's moving different than on one side than
there is the other. So essentially we're moving in the correct direction of the river, but half of the river is moving in the opposite direction. And that's it. And you know, I remember in that moment, I was like, wow, we need to get out. I have people, I have friends in the river, like I have people you know, going, you know, wilding out doing their thing. And so I drag everybody off. I'm like, hey, we need you got to get out now,
Like we gotta get out of water. And so we get out of the water and I'm water and that that, you know, I said, it looked like half the river. It was like the river was cut in half. One was going the normal way, the other way it was going to the opposite way, that's crazy. And I thought that was yeah. I thought, you know, I was like, man, that's I said, that's it. That's the that's the king. The King is moving through here.
And so we get off the river and I kind of find out that same little boy who was on that deep end unneath those trees, he had drowned. And and I never forget him. He was a little blinded boy. And I went and kind of here recently here in the last kind of six months, I kind of went back and looked at the Fox twenty three report on that, and they said that basically he was just dragged underwater like something. You know, it's like he just they say, the current got
him and the undertow got him. Um and that. But that river was in bad shape that year. People were littering, people were just not respecting the water. And that's what that snake does is he protects the water. He makes sure you respect the water, and it enforces those rules, you know, whatever those rules may be. And and uh, you know, there was there was a time in that same year, in that same summer,
I saved a girl from from from drowning. Um. I knew, like I said, I knew that water really well, and I knew how to swim it, and I knew how to kind of navigate it, and and uh, she had kind of been bumped off and she fell backwards off into the water, and I look and I kind of washed her to make sure she got back up, but she never came back up, and she
didn't have a life checking on or anything. And so I I kind of dived down and this water's really murky, and I dove down and I pulled her back up and and you know, I was only it was a struggle to get her back up. You know, I had to pull on the raft, and you know, people are like, what are you doing? You know, I was like, hang on, I'm trying to, you know, pull this girl up. And you know, I pull her up and she goes, something was pulling me down. I'm like, what do
you mean. I actually kind of I put her back on the raft. So something was pulling me down. I don't know, I don't know what it was. And so I said that, uh, you know, kind of to end these these stories. That next following summer, it was that was the flood of that that Talpol flood that basically destroyed all those floating places, all those cabins down there, you know, one of the craziest floods
ever. And then that on that river, it was it was telling us that, hey, I'm I'm coming and I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure these these these waters are right. And then after that the one, you know, the Illinois River water has been so nice. It's it's it's really cleaned up since that flood. And I said, they they do that, they bring rain, they flood waters, and that's how they moved to They moved through those flood waters. So you know, people always sy oh, well,
you know there's one snake. There could be there could be hundreds of these snakes in this water. We don't know, but you know that those are that's a that's a a cryptid or a being or a creature that I don't think a lot of people talk about, and I think people need to be worried about because yeah, you know, you always hear about the octopus and you fall up that people, you know, that's that snake. That
snake is that snake can do those things. It can I can have multiple things, you know, it can have antlers um a telltale sign of this snake is, especially when you follow. If you if people were you follow and they go out to that that lake. If you ever hear moving in the middle of that lake, it's not a cow, it's that snake letting you know it's coming. Yeah, I've you know, we had a place up on Lake Hudson growing up and uh out by prior and I saw something
in that water. I never knew what it was, but it looked like a giant snake, but it was white, and you know, at first I thought it was just a I couldn't figure it out. I thought it was like a big long rock or something, because you know, I could see like the head shape and everything. It was about a foot under the water, was pretty close to the bank, and I'm sitting there looking at
trying to figure out what that, you know, white thing is. And the more I'm looking at, the more I'm realizing, like, that looks like a snakehead. And about that time it just slowly pulled back down into the deeper water where I couldn't see it anymore. And then years later,
a buddy of mine, he was my best friend at the time. He was Creek and he lived out in Kellyville, and he saw something out there at like Hayburn that freaking him out pretty bad out in the water that he also described as a snake, but it was as big around as a log, had stuck its head out of the water and everything. But yeah, that's interesting, man. You know, Like I said, I had family in Tallaqua, and none of them would go in the river, man,
none of them they did. And as a kid going up there, and like I'd go and stay a few weeks during the summer and stuff, and you know, they stay out of the river. Don't go to the river. We're not going to the river, you know. And anybody who lives in this part of Oklahoma knows back in the day people drowning that river all the time. And it's weird because I mean, it's just a river, man, it's a float river. You know, there's no reason for that
many people to be drowning out there. And they don't report none of it. They don't you hear about it. But oh yeah, they had like you know, like I remember years after that, and even years before that, you know, they'd say, oh, you know, man, we saw a bunch of mts pulling somebody out of the water, you know, or you know, we we saw a police or fire or whoever you know, jumping down into the banks off to the saycause there used to be a road that kind of you can jump into the to get into the river.
And they're like, oh, yeah, we saw someone getting pulled out. It's like, you know, you don't think nothing of it at the time, but like that's one thing too. Then you know they I'm not saying that authorities aren't aware of these things, but they know. I mean they know they have to. They got to. So I've noticed what the Unsolved Mysteries podcast, you guys are going to start doing investigations. Yeah, that's something that we uh we started. Um, we actually did an investigation in
Glimpool at a recreation center at my former former job. We we we did one then and then we we did investigations after, um, you know multiple uh you know, storytelling a bits that we've had and and that's something that like we wanted to kind of expand out too, because you know, you like to experience people's stories. To me as the ultimate you know, is the ultimate almost like prize, like you know, to say, you know, someone, hey there's something going on in this Indian Health Service building.
Um, you know this cabinet moved, or you know this door shut or I heard someone laughing. You know sometimes you know, you kind of hear those stories. You just think, you know, it's not it hasn't happened to me, and you kind of just you know, it is a creepy story, but you kind of just put it in the back of your mind. But to actually experience it, you know, to me, is kind of cool. So, yeah, that's something that we're working on. I know, we got a few places I know that we we've been in contact
with some paranormal associations around here. So, um, you know it is it is something that's being worked on. Cool. Well, where else can people find you? What's the best way to check you out? So you can find me on Facebook the whole of tiger Um. If you add me on Facebook, send me a message and say, hey, I listen to the podcast or I heard you know, don't just send me a message and accept me to accept it. Send me a messag let me know that you
heard me from home on here. Um TikTok one man ban nine one eight Twitter one man ban nine one eight um and then the podcast is available. War Cry podcast is available on Apples, Spotify, basically anywhere you can. You can get it um and then install. Missies of the Reservation is also available basically everywhere. Um. And you're just type an unsolving Missies of the
Reservation on Facebook and TikTok and you'll find us on there. And uh, Matt, I can't say man enough, I appreciate you having me on. Man, this is uh whom I have to do a part too. I know, I got some more stories. Yeah, I was just waiting for you to quit talk and I was gonna tell you, man, you're gonna have to come back on again for sure, man. And uh, hopefully this is the beginning of a blossoming friendship. Man. Yeah, yeah, for sure, I've enjoyed it. Thanks so much for coming on and speaking
candidly about these things. I know what a big deal it is. And hopefully the listeners enjoyed it and realize it too. And uh, yeah, man, I just really appreciate it. And congratulations again on becoming a father for another time. Good luck with that. I appreciate, I appreciate it. Hashtag girl Dad your girl Dad, Girl dadtime man all right, And If you've had your own encounter that you want to share with me, email
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