In that same area. I had a newbie with me, you know, from from Texas, and I told him, I said, look, they're coming up to the trailer at night. They were knocking on the wall by my head where I was sleeping, and he gave me the end, now, you know, obvious, incredulous, really, you know, or seriously, and I knew, I knew it was a little more incredible, you know, for him to kind of fully comprehend. The next night, he
jumped one outside of the trailer there. It took it took off and he went one way, and the big guy went the other and he come jumping back inside the trailer there and he goes something big just ran or you know, way out there. And I didn't even look at him. I was on my computer and then I looked over at him and I said, I told you so. I would like to welcome Richard Taylor to the show. I first kind of met Richard on another podcast called Calling All Beans that I
sit in from time to time. I sit in help them co host and talk to their different guests. Great group of people. They're kind of from the UFO world. So I'm kind of a fish out of water over there. But every now and then they dip their toes into the big Foot world. And Richard was one of their guests, and I, like I said, I sat in with that conversation and I was just really fascinated by a story. And I feel very fortunate to have him on Bigfoot Crossroads. Richard,
how are you, sir? I am doing very well, Matt, and I thoroughly appreciate you giving me the chance to share on your show. I love it. It's a passion of mine. And you're You're a Texan, yes, yes, sir, and I'm an Okay, So I just want you know the world to see that we can get along. Oh yeah, and you probably wear wear cowboy boots sometimes and not in a long time, not in a long time, but part of Oklahoma. I'm way up in Tulsa, Okay, up here in the northeast corner. Yes, I'm
very very aware of that. And I've gotten up there near Jay, Oklahoma, which is way up there close to my Miama. You know, some people would call it Miami. Well those people are from Florida. They're not from Oklahoma. That's it. That's it. You know, you say Miami and they'll kind of give you look up there, but yeah, I had. I had a pretty good time up there with a full blood Cherokee tribal member. My grandmother was was full blood Cherokee uh No Wada. She was
out of the Wada area. And my mother was actually born in an unincorporated area called Iron Post, Okay little uh Shack. Actually she was delivered by a midwife named Rachel Big Feather. And I showed my Scots, Irish, Dutch, in German blue hazel, you know, hazel eyes, lighter complexed, showing you know, some Cherokee features, but the lighter, you know side of my blood light which I'm equally proud of the Scott's, Irish, Dutch and German as well as my native blood. You know, it was
kind of an interesting thing. I'm going to Kentucky next week with the KBrO Charlie Raymond's the director of it. And Kentucky was the original Cherokee land before the European settlers and the president decided to move them out for their own good, you know, in four thousand of them died in the process. If they had the symbient relationship that some of the Cherokee elders and storytellers relate, one of which was Larry Shade. They talk about the uni Udalwihi okay,
and I'm my my Cherokee. What little I may speak, you know, my grandmother was fluent Nance, and uncles were fluent, probably a slanted English, and my pronunciation is probably horrible. But that loosely translated as forest beings of the lost tribe. And my passion is if this was original Cherokee land, and the Cherokees would vetable roots and berries out for the big guys, and in turn the big guys would watch over him during hunting and gathering endeavors
that could easily spill into modern day you know, possibly understanding. So I was out there, Oh it was over a year ago, and I was watching. I can tell you this much. It was a tall, upright bipedal figure at about one hundred yards along a thickly wooded river bank, moving around watching us. Okay, I couldn't get a clear shot because of the gaps and brush and leaves and the trees, but as it moved around I
could tell it was tall and upright, walking on two legs. I later determined the height to be about ten feet eight to ten feet, you know, using tree markers that I went out in the daytime and looked at and measured. No clothing lines, you know, no gaps or variations on the thermal signature which clothing will give if you're looking at it through a thermal scope.
Could have been in an NBA basketball player out there without a stitch of clothes on, not using a flashlight, out in the middle of noteware and not impossible, but not likely at all, you know, given you the reports and other other evidence there that it was most likely the big guys. And when this other person in the group came up, he was a newbie and Matt, this is one of my passions when people have that aha moment,
you know, he came over there. He was using a red light, you know, the red dim game light, not to ruin your night vision. But it was almost pitch black, and there was a group of about eight around a small fire there that I had left to go look along this river. I had that feeling, you know, a sixth sense or whatever, no one kind of where to look. And he goes, what are you doing, Rick, And I said, I'm watching a big guy, you know, down by the river. And he goes, oh,
really, he said, man, I wish I could. I said, hey, here, I handed him, you know, my fla scope, and I told him where to look, you know, ten o'clock position from where we're standing and facing and I said, do you see him? And he goes, yeah, yeah, I can see him, his sitting shoulders. He's peeking out from behind a tree. I said, yeah, that's him. I said, there may be another one over there. I'm not
sure. I was getting kind of a variation in two areas. I said, watch him, you know, and just watch and see what he does. Well, about that time, Matt, there was the river was down there in a perpendicular angle to us, but there was a another little creek that came up by us, i'd say about one hundred feet to our right. That was little vegetation and trees and stuff. And we started hearing subtle movement on our flank, which in my experience, these subjects do. They're
curious. They'll flank you, they'll follow you, they'll parallel you, you know, and watch just watchers if you will, you know. And so we could hear that movement and I told the guy stand and I said, do you hear this off to our right, and he goes, yeah, yeah, I can hear it. I said, watch the big guy and tell me if he does anything. And while he's watching the big guy, I spoke out. I said, gut the who stay dejah, you know? And I said, did the guy do anything? He said no,
We're still watching. And I was asking, what is your name? You know in Cherokee, and and so I said watch him, and I said it more expressively. I said, gut the who stay dang a dole, what is your name? You know? What is your name? And off to our right in that where we heard that subtle movement bias Matt, I heard this big, deep, deep, deep bull frog deep voice, go claw, which is no in Cherokee. You know. I'm not gonna tell you I'm not talking exactly, you know, I mean, it was kind
of It was a good time with me. So I'll occasionally, you know, talk to him, you know, make and again, I am far from fluent. I couldn't sit down and carry on a decent conversation. But I can converse greet, you know, and a few words. It's the
language of my grandmother. I'm very proud of it. But I'm equally proud of my other bloodlines, but I've often thought that maybe a Native blood lying lineage may have a little bit better time conversing or interacting with these I won't ever know for sure, but but I know I've I've not had any problems when I'm out there getting getting interaction. I was just gonna say, you know, coming from Oklahoma, you know, former Indian Territory as it was
called. Yeah, a lot of my Bigfoot endeavors have involved going out with Native American people and people of Native American descent, and you hear all kinds of stories, you know, especially from these small Native American communities where these things are just known about. They're very active in those areas, and they're just something seems to be like you're saying some sort of connection for some reason. I don't know if the Bigfoot for some reason feels more comfortable around them,
or what the deal is. But we had a very very dear friend. He's no longer with us, but his name was Randy, and we called him the Bigfoot Magnet, and he was a Kyowa preacher and he just he could find these things, he could sniff him out, and he would go out there and he would talk to them like you're saying yeah, you know. He would say hello, what is your name, I'm your friend, you know, things like that, that sort of a statement, and
in my opinion, he had very good success with it. It produced results.
I think it hinges on this. Okay, the general public Matt considers him a dumb ape you know, primate, very base, no intellect, no cognitive thinking, and I think they can actually become offended when people are out there just tromping around, banging on trees thinking they're going to throw something out there, and these things are just going to kind of lumber up, you know, as a dumb animal, or you know, throw out corn like they do for deer, and they're gonna come eat, you know.
And it's it's just not that way. I know, in Jay Oklahoma up there, you know, in your neck of the woods or further actually, you know, further northeast, I met with a full blood tribal member and that community. It wasn't in Joe, Oklahoma, but it was a rural area close to that city. They called this particular subject the howler. Okay, oh that's just a howler. And I've got a short video that I'm shooting up on a ridge on his land there where the howler's coming up through
a and he's not trying to be stealthy at all. I could hear him moving along there, and he was basically it sounded to me like a whoop, you you know, whoop, you know, and just like he was just singing a little ditty, you know while he was through the not any big deal. And that landowner would leave out peanut butter. And I can even send you the picture of the jar, but I was afterre On on his Spence line, and he would leave jars of peanut butter along his Spence
Line property line for the howler. And I don't know if he stood there and told him or yelled it out into the woods, but his agreement was, I'll leave you these goodies out there. And this this dovetails right in with what the Cherokee did in the original land. If you'll leave my my my goats, my life, all my livestock, chickens and dogs alone on my lag in, I'll leave you these goodies out there. You know.
It was a similar relationship. And I was walking with him when I saw one of the jars, I said, is that one of the jars. Yeah, it's on the fence posts. I said, the lids on it. He said, yeah, they put the lid back on it so the other varmints don't come get the goodies. And I pulled the jar down and I looked inside and about two thirds of the peanut butter was gone. But there was a distinct thumb an index swirl where they had put their big old
digits down in there. And you know, I got a big glob of peanut butter out to munch on, and it wasn't a big deal there. Now I have night vision of him in some brush and all it is is a dot, you know. I mean, he's not out in the middle, but he was. He was watching us at night. But I've got
some good audio and video of him coming up through the ravine there. And the thing is, when the holler was close, Matt, those dogs they were were with me, kind of following me, and when they heard that movement, it wasn't, you know, hair bristling up on their back, but it was their tails went to wagon and they shot off at Warped seven, just like they were running out there to greet a good friend. They were out there for a little while, no telling, getting fit, you
know, greeted, and then they came back tails a wagon. They weren't a bit afraid of this subjects at all, no animosity. And I mean, you hear so many stories, you know about them being dog killers and put your dogs up and dogs disappear. But you're not the first person to talk about that. Uh. You know, dogs seemingly being befriended by these things and enjoying running around with them. Well, you know, I think
they they do for him. I think relationships with coyotes I've heard I've in around honab or Honaby or you know, an abbibi there, Oh, there we go, Okay, Oh to be anyway, I've got a I've got a audio from from my videos shooting I think, or it might be buon
digital. I'd have to go back and look. But it's a an old man sounds like an angry old man kind of a howl that morphs into a coyote call, and then a whole host of coyotes take off, you know, and you can you can hear the coyote and then you hear this and you can tell the acoustics, the resonance of it. It's very similar, but not It's not a coyote at least not a fifty pound coyote. Maybe maybe a five hundred pound coyote, you know, or whatever. But they're
actually stirring them up or calling them. I'm not sure, you know, I don't know what the relationship is there, but I think, I think probably and I do. I really do, Matt. When I go out and if I'm with a research group, I try to break away from them, and I try to tell the big guys, we're just here visiting. You know, We're not going to hurt you. I show a little courtesy and respect for their their their area, and it goes a long way for
me, Matt. It may be hard for somebody to swallow their pride and think that way, but it's it served me very well, and I just enjoy seeing what they do. We were there in the hone to be area, and uh I was with One was mixed blood Cherokee, the other one was mixed blood chopped tawk, you know. And we were sitting around a campfire and I have never had so much stuff thrown continuously at us. Okay, we weren't here, Okay, it was it was in my opinion,
good natured bantering back and forth. Okay, we would try to. We would try to figure out which direction the last object thrown was coming from, and when we could kind of get a roll or see it in the dim camp firelight, we'd say, oh, it's coming back from there, off to our left. It wouldn't. It wouldn't come from that way. For a while, it had lobbed in from the other side of our camp. It was like trying to guess where they were, and when we would kind
of pinpoint where they were, they would stop throwing from that direction. It was cool. I mean, this went on for the better part of an hour. I got night vision of one up in the split of a tree, looking through the thick fork at us as they hung on the tree. I called him the fire control officer. I caught another one side peaking maybe a hundred yards down in this clearing. No telling how many were there. But the thing that happened is two of them were setting in the chairs by
the campfire. I had got up out of the chair and I was scanning, not trying to trick him that they knew I had the scope. I was just you know, panning and scanning and talking, and I'd let it rest on my chest and then I'd pick it back up and look some more. But I wasn't like hiding behind it. I wasn't trying to trick him. I wasn't trying to hide it, you know. And so at one point, this object, let's say, I think it was a piece of
bark, come rolling in. It came to a stop, and the guy that was he was collecting this got up out of his chair to walk over to pick it up. And as he's walking over there, he kind of just, you know, jokingly, says, can't you guys throw this stuff
closer so I don't have to get up. Five seconds after the man said that, I'm standing behind his folding camp chair and I hear the thump in the center of the seat of that folding chair, and I looked down and turned on my cap light and there was a quarter size rock setting right in the middle of his chair. After about five five seconds after making that statement, Now you tell me that doesn't show, you know, intellect, cognitive thinking and banter, you know, and joking all rolled up into one.
They were engaging us, and it was it was funny. He said, what was that. I said, he just put a rock in your chair, and we all three started busting out laughing. He kept the rock, He still got it, I guess. But for them to have that accuracy, also the angle and accuracy it would take to drop that rock in his chair and not have it bounce out in a way, I'm going to tell
you that that is some pretty skillful throwing in my opinion. You know, I was just a guest on one of the kind of shows Bigfoot I Witness Radio, and we talked about that about you know, you picture this giant, hulking beast, you know, ten feet tall, four feet wide or
whatever. How do they have such amazing accuracy with throwing things through the woods in the dark, and how they thread them through the limbs and branches without you hearing them there a matter of fact, in Honaby, I was down in the river bottom there by one of the rivers, and I had it was either four or five movies with me they had. I was selling some of my tapes and pictures at the Honeaby Bigfoot conference, and one older gentleman
I had people coming up and they were looking at pictures. You know, I had people roll their eyes like, okay, their photoshop joker. Yeah right, and that type of stuff. You get that all the time, and and it look it doesn't. I don't. I'm not personally offended. I know myself. I know what I've done. No smoking mirrors. I've had third party witnesses with me on a bunch of this. So anyway, he's standing off to the side and I'm kind of busy and he's not buying
anything or asking any questions. But after everybody cleared out, he looked at you know, it was just me and him. He looked at me and he pointed to one of my posters or pictures you know, that I had. He goes, that's real, and if I looked at him, and I said yeah, I said, I took the picture, you know video. This is a picture clip from my video. I took it. You know, I know it's real, and he goes, yeah, it's it's not. This is not a photoshop. And at that point he's got my
interest. I said, okay, I said, what qualifies you to make you know, to form that opinion, And he said, I'm a retired engineer. I worked for NASA and I did work on the Moon videos and pictures, you know, the Moon mission shots, you know, a follow eleven all the way up to whatever. And he said, I retired from NASA. I said, well, that sounds like you pretty well know what you're talking about. He says, yeah, you've got some pretty good stuff here. He said, man, you know it's not crystal clear, but
this isn't photoshop stuff. I said, well, thank you. It makes me feel a lot better. You know, I have an expert expert, he said, Man, he said, I wish I could go. I said, hey, look, what are you doing? After five? I said, I'll close you know, my booth then and I said, I'll take you to an area. We're there. The big guys are out there, he said, right here. I said, yeah, not very far. I said, they're all in through these Kaiamichi mountains, you know,
and there's some areas where they are. Well, long story short, we got down into an area. We were paralleled, we were tracked. They heard huffing, and one just didn't come out. And you know, I did get a brief U thermal clip of one retreating through the woods from us. It's just a brief, but it's a cool it's a cool video. But we were way back in the in the woods there, and the man, like I said, was older and he was getting a little bit tired.
But the funny thing was, Matt Is there was a Tinker Air Force but base Air Force flight Line U technician with us. There was an active I want to say it was a Ponca City public public safety officer. Uh, you know law enforcement, you know, rolled into one. Uh, just a couple three in this retired NASA engineer and a couple of a couple
other guys from from the festival there. I can't remember exactly what they did, but anyway, they were, they were down in there, and they were they were really, you know, kind of neutral on these things. But by the time all this stuff that was happening down in there, some of them were freaking out. And the thing was that public safety officer was the most nervous. And I saw probably a grapefruit sized rock hit about a
foot behind him and he jumped three foot up in the air. Okay, he was fooded, you know, at all the people there, they were, they were throwing stuff closest to the most nervous one. Now you tell me if that isn't isn't intuitive in and of itself. Okay, they they knew who the guy there was that was the most nervous, and they were messing with him, not maliciously. But I'm going to tell you this is
that part about threading something through the thick foliage and branches. We had gotten back there, and that engineer was getting a little bit tired, you know, And I asked him, you know, you need set out and rest. He said sure, And we found this area. It must have been There were art structures in there, I mean huge arch structures, even a couple of trees pulled up and forming an X, which might be don't come in here. They might have been a little opended. I don't know.
But but we were sitting or standing around, resting back there, taking a little break. This was about a three foot in diameter oak tree trunk, big big oak tree, and there was a root ball or not low on the ground, made a perfect seat for the older gentleman to sit down and rest. That public safety officer was on the other side of about three foot gap between him and the other gentleman, and we were in the pitch dark. Okay, we didn't hear any any you know, wishing or brushing through
the trees. But all of a sudden there was a loud whack. I mean, I've got I've got an audio of it. Okay, this and I raised my thermal and the branch came in. Was such a force it was still spinning to a stop on the ground when I pulled pulled my thermal
scope up, looking towards the direction. But this, I want to estimate, was about two and a half three foot long, five to seven inches in diameter broken branch that was thrown from wherever and smacked that tree right between the two men, a guy resting on one side of the tree and the other gentleman sitting down on the side of the tree. Now you tell me
that wasn't accurate. I mean, neither one of them were hit. Either one could have been hit, and it probably could have heard him, might even killed him if it hit him in the hit, you know, but that thing was threaded that close. And you hear you hear that public gave safety s say did you what did you guys throw us up? And we're all kind of a loose group there, no, no, no, And he said, man, that's too close. I'm getting over by y'all. You know, I mean, they just were messing with them, you know.
And again we had nobody was you know, nobody was injured or anything. Now I had I don't talk about this a lot matt In in certain groups other than seeing the big guys, I have experienced stuff associated with them or I have reason to believe it's associated with them, that go into an area of what some researchers have this this very rigid uh. I want to
call it expectation biased prejudice. They form a line in their information gathering and they filter out stuff that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas as to what these subjects are are what they are not, you know, rather than not that they have to agree or accept, but keep an open mind. That's I mean, that's that's part of the recipe for a true scientific method. Yeah,
that's something that really boggles my mind, you know. And I've been involved in this for a little over twenty years now, and I've heard a lot of people push, you know, science, we needed more scientific and more serious about our research. Right. But if you ever had a scientist come to their peers and say, well, this was my hypothesis, this was my experiment, and I omitted all the observations that didn't support my hypothesis, right, I mean, would that would be it for that scientist, you
know, like they would never get anything published. But yet that's what the bigfoot community does time and time again. I'm not saying I won't say that Bigfoot's doing anything paranormal. I don't know that. I never observed a bigfoot doing anything that I considered paranormal. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't. That doesn't mean they don't or that they don't have the ability to. And if I did observe that, I would have to say I observe
that exactly, And I don't think anybody should be crucified for it. Well you had in some realms, and they'll even say no, no, no, paranormal. I don't want to hear it. Okay, That to me is expectation, bias, and prejudice, and it's a glaring manifestation. A true scientific method considers all possibility piece okay, before a final opinion. And even in the scientific method, there are points where you get additional data you
have to go back and reevaluate your opinion. You know, and you know all facts and circumstances to this point may support this hypothesis and theory until anything else. Maybe it's just like what I do for a living is I do fire and explosion investigations, okay, and it comes from my first career in
public safety. I spent twenty something years with the City of Houston, you know, as an arson investigator captain in the Fire Marshal's office, and retired from that, and for the last twenty plus years as a private investigator, I conduct fire and explosion investigations. And you can go out and you can look at a loss or an explosion side or a fire scene and with the limited information, maybe not having an eyewitness available, somebody was killed or you
can't locate the eyewitness or the homeowner at that time. But you go in and you forensically begin to form an opinion about where the fire started and how okay, and you may get a pretty reliable sequence, you know, and failure scenario and stuff in your head that makes perfect scientific sense. But then the homeowner or somebody comes in and they go, oh, no, no, no, that wasn't over here, it was over there, and this was here and that, and they move stuff around in the puzzle and you
realize whoa this. You had a reliable you know, growth and spread, your your patterns matched, but things were in the wrong spot. And until you got additional information, okay, you know, the whole the whole picture changed. Well, in these big big foot or big feats, you know, whatever you want to call, people get glimpses, they get little snippets and here and there and everything, and they they form hard opinions with very very very little empirical knowledge, you know. I mean, it's it's it's
a bits and pieces. But I was with these guys, we were all sitting there at a break. All of us heard the crunch, crunch, crunch of footsteps on the trail about twenty feet in front of us, crossing. Okay, I raised my flair scope fully expecting to see a thermal signature of a of a tall mammal on two you know, two legs walk by in front of us. I mean, I thought, man, I am going to get a good video of this. And I'm looking and I'm following the direction of the sound, and Matt, all I can see is this
faint white outline on the front side of this subject. Maybe it's the air being disturbed or something, but it's a cold outline. I was in the black hot mode. I was expecting to see a dark figure, but as that line moved, I could clearly see the tree trunks, the rocks, the vegetation, their heat signatures. This thing did not block out even block out the thermal signatures. And yet all I could at the time, you
could hear my very incredulous. You know, I see something, you know, or so, I mean, I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to digest what I'm just seeing. This thing's actually cloaking, uh in the infrared spectrum of light. Basically it was cloaking. And yet everyone there could hear it walking right by in front of us, about twenty feet in front of us. And I've got a I've got an audio and you know video thermal clip
of that. I don't share that with a lot of people. You know, you go into this cloaking issue and they'll they'll cut you off, they'll tell you, you know, forget it, time out. You know, I mean, how do you explain it? You you have thermal footage of what you believe, and you know, I'm not saying it's not, but you have a thermal footage of these creatures whatever you want to call them,
where they are showing up on thermal very clearly. Yes, yes, And then you have this situation, So why is this one different and the other ones? You know, why don't they cloak all the time? Can some do it and some not? What are these all bigfoot that are doing it? Or are we just thinking they might be bigfoot? Like? How is it even possible? Those are the questions that I want answered. Sure we all do. I've certainly heard it enough to know that, like not everybody
is lying or making it up. And here you are. You've got other witnesses supporting your claim, You've got the actual footage, You've got the physical evidence to support it absolutely. I don't have all the answers. Something was walking in front of us, tall and up right, okay, according to that horizontal line that shows a head and you know the front part of it, And could it have been the air? You know that it was disturbing as it moved. I don't know. I mean, I don't have any
explanations for it. I do know in that same area I was out there, there was a couple of Native American producers shooting some some very good night vision video equipment, high dollar stuff. I can't remember their names, and I don't want to take their thunder but if I and again I can't remember. They didn't write their names down, but fairly well known in the Native
American you know, videographer, producer, type realm. And they were out there with another mixed blood Native American and I happen to, you know, have the you know, chance to be out there, and we were out in this same particular area, and I just I let the let I was just there as an observer. I wasn't active in anything. I was just hanging out, which I love doing, I really do. I just like to be out and around and observe people and see what the big guys are
going to do, you know, and have a great time. Well, I purposely laid way back away and I could see him through the brakes in the trees, and they were doing some filming and stuff over in a certain area I want to say, fifty maybe seventy five yards away, and my intent was to see if one of the big guys would closely approach them and I could get a good flanking thermal video of it. You know, they were showing up. Well, you know, on the night vision, there
wasn't that thick of vegetation. I was getting pretty decent video. And I saw one of the guys move further out from the group, and I'm watching him, and I could tell he might be hearing or seeing something. I was too far away to hear, you know, the verbiage or audio of them. But he reached a point I could see him scanning with his camera, you know, it was It was not super bulky, but it was a lot bigger than a small cam quarter. And he's turning and then I
see him just suddenly stop. His body language changed, and I see him pull away from his camera and he yelled something back to the other guys that are I want to say, twenty thirty feet behind him. And then he looks again, and then he drops his camera and he hurries back over to the other group. But I don't see anything around the man at all.
Man, I didn't, but I observed that well. It was later I asked him when we'd come back, come back, you know, to one of the uh, you know, lodging places, and they were there. I asked him about it, and he goes, oh, I hadn't shown it to you. And I said, no, I said, what happened? He said, I said, I was watching you through my thermal from from a a position way away from your location, and I didn't want to
mess up anything you were trying to, you know. Get The man played back the night vision video and it shows this camera looking down this trail and Matt you can see the exhaled uh you know, air from something about five or ten feet in front of him, and it's a lot taller because the air it's like it's looking down but you don't see anything on the night vision camera, but you actually hear the exhale and you see the you see the breath of air. Wow, like the cold breath sale exactly exactly. And
that's when he turned around to make sure there one what did anybody? He freaked out, Well, I mean I didn't number one. His camera didn't pick it up on the night vision, you know. And I don't know what spectrum. I mean, it's it's above my pay grade exactly what he was using. But it looked great at night. But you can distinctly see that cold exhale breadth from something standing about ten feet in front of him. And he turned around to make sure nobody would you know, had come up
around in front of him. Yeah, And I didn't pick it up on my thermal either, you know stuff like that. I don't have concrete answers for mat I know they happened. I've had. There are no elk in Texas other than maybe on some kind of you know, game preserve or something. I was in East Texas, I want to say half dozen years ago, give or take. I was there with two other researchers. It's the
same mountain or hill that I've got. If you go to YouTube and Bigfoot, you know, enhanced version of Bigfoot setting up in a pine tree. I think I'd have to write it down. I've got several. But I watched a big guy from about five hundred and eight yards. He was sixty feet up in a tree. A pretty decent video. I mean, it's shaky. I didn't have high dollar stuff, still don't have real high dollars
stuff. But we were on the back side of that. And I was in camp two of the other guys who are going to take a loop around this, down this hill and come back to camp. I was cutting firewood with a sawzall. I didn't have a chainsaw I had just an electrical saws off. They do pretty good actually, you know, cutting smaller you know, trunks and you know trees, they really do. They work pretty good, better than saying saw in some instances. So I had that sawsag going
cutting, cutting up firewood for the camp. There was beside a logging road and in between my cuts. Now, I can't tell you that for sure, but I know I've heard the owl voices. I've seen a big alpha male caucus head back and give the perfect barred alcohol. Didn't sound like an eight pound bird. It sounded like something coming out of four JBL wolfers, you know. I mean. The resonance shook almost shook the woods, I mean, but it was authentic sounding. Just the resonance was not like a
little eight down bird. Some people think they can project their voice, okay, or project sounds, throw their voice basically. Well, that's been proven that the brand triloquists, you know, can can do that to an extent, So it's not out of the realm of possibility. But between cuts with that saws of not more than fifteen or twenty feet away and a little growth of fresh saplings maybe eight to ten foot tall. Loah lily saplings. I
heard the most perfect elk bugle. I mean sounded yes that we you know. I mean it was like right there. I mean I stopped, I dropped the saw, and I just I was motionless. Man, there's an elk right up here. And I listened. There was leaves, there was dry twigs and vegetation. There's no way a big thousand and twelve hundred pound, fifteen hundred pound animal could have walked away without me hearing it. Okay,
I didn't do anything. I just sat there for about thirty seconds, and then I started creeping over to those saplings and I'm looking and listening, and I didn't hear anything. When I got up to and in the area within those saplings where that that call came from, you know, it was like right on top of me. And I know elk can injure or kill you. So I was a little bit cautious. But I'm going to tell you, man, I don't have an explanation for it. It was right
there on top of me. Yeah, I was. One time I was in Texas as well, around the Lake Twaukney area, and uh, we were there on an outing and we were in an area we were on some old back road and on one side of the road, you had one of those uh you know, hunting whatever you want to call it, like a ranch basically where they do canned hunts. So they had a big, tall security fence, you know, going down the side of the road so the deer couldn't escape or whatever. And then on the other side, it's just
straight woods and there's a thinking. There's like five or six of us there, and something came tearing through those woods right towards us. There's a there's a big cedar tree next to the road, and this whatever it was, it sounded like a bull elephant coming through the woods. I mean at one point I literally thought, Okay, either there's a big foot coming right at
us or a cow got loose and is trumping through the forest. And this thing gets right up on the back side of that cedar tree, you know. And the cedar tree was probably maybe eight feet in diameter, you know, big enough to block the view and everything. But this thing was close, I mean, thrashing, limbs, snapping, I mean, here it is, and it just comes to a dead stop right behind that cedar and we're all standing there like, oh my God, you know, always waiting
for it to bust out the tree line, which they never do. So you know, turn on the spotlights and start edging around that cedar tree and that, I mean, there's just nothing there, just nothing. We never hear anything leave. It's just dead quiet, exactly exactly. I mean, that doesn't freak me out like it used to do, because I'm going to tell you, Matt, I've had so many twists and turns out there that
absolutely nothing surprises me. I could go into a lot more, and I really didn't want to go on the paranormal slant, but you know, the bottom line is this, I enjoy the ride. I don't make any hard opinions. I've had so many of my opinions as to what could or would or should or shouldn't have happened that I just keep an open mind and see what, you know, see what's going to happen. The only caveat I have, and this is I've been out by myself before and it's too long.
I wouldn't want to go into some other stuff. But you need to go out there, you know, not by yourself. If people think that it's Disneyland and benign and just fun in games. Look, people disappear in the woods and I you know, there's plenty opinions there, but there are things out there that will hurt or injure or kill you. And to not be prepared, okay and have some form of safety plan or backup plan in
place, is very foolish. I emphasize this, be safe out there, you know, and going pairs or groups, but going out there by yourself, I wouldn't highly recommend it. If somebody wants to, that's their business. But what injured and killed settlers one hundred years ago still lives out there, okay. And you could run into a very hungry mountain lion that could make short order of you. And they're pretty much all over North America,
and I've run into them in places I didn't. I had one on a neighbor's we lived south of Houston, and it was about three in the morning, and it was a rural not not just you know, it completely out in the middle of nowhere, but it was a sparsely populated county road, you know, with houses you know, peppered along the way, but heavily wooded. And it was about three o'clock in the morning and my dog started tearing it up, and I looked out the bedroom window expecting somebody to be
messing with my car parked there in the driveway. And if it hadn't have been for the nice, beautiful, full lit moon night, I'd never noticed this animal. But I looked up at the moon that was right over the neighbor's house kind of you know, it had lit up the driveway. I could see there was nothing near. But over the hip of that roof walked a cat okay, at kind of an angle over that roof, and it had a tail. It wasn't a big bobcat, and its back was half
again higher than the turbine vents on that that neighbor's roof. It was a large cat with the tail slinking over Uh that that neighbor's roof no more than twenty thirty feet away, Okay, I mean not something you would expect to see, yeah, you know in that neighborhood and that area south of the Houston metro area. But that cat was there, and it was on the prowl. Okay. Um, I'm just saying you can run into things out there that that uh not not not safe to run into. Man, I'm
not trying to steer people. I just be aware. I agree, you know, Uh, obviously it makes for good radio or TV here or whatever to put out these uh stories about you know, uh, people getting taken and murdered by Bigfoot and dog Man and everything else. And I'm not saying that doesn't happen on occasion. I don't know. I don't want it to
happen to me. But there are plenty of things, like you were saying, plenty of things out there before we even get get to that part that can certainly take out a person and make you disappear in a hurry in the woods. Yeah, and nobody, we don't let me give you. Yeah, I've been attacked by farrell pit bulls out in the woods. Oh geez, and yeah, yeah, something I think it was. I think it was a grower's plot in a county park and he had the dogs there for
protection, you know, I guess against competition or whatever. And I fortunately, being honorably retired law enforcement, I had one of my forty five's with me, and you know it was all I mean, I'm out there scouting out white bass fishing spots along this heavily wooded creek in an area where my son and I had our first experience, and nice blue northern had blown in,
you know, cool crisp, dry air, north wind. I was walking south along the creek on a side trail, and all of a sudden I heard this loud growl, maybe seventy five or a hundred yards away, I was probably the trail I was on was paralleling the creek by about seventy
five hundred yards. And I looked the direction of this growl, and there was a trail paralleling the creek, and up this rise broke a pitch black pit bull okay, good size, barrel chested, and he was half half running, you know, loping, nose up in the air, growling and kind of barking, you know, snarling. I could tell he was getting my scent. You know. I was north of them, and you know it was I mean, yeah, I was north of the north and was
blowing behind him. Right behind him was a tan pitbull and a marble almost looked like a you know what a calico cap looks like, yeah, exactly, And all three of them were kind of half loping along, noses in the air, and I just look, without thinking, I had my forty five out. I checked the cliff, I clicked it off safety, and I went there wasn't anywhere to run, hide or climb. I eased back behind a skinny way too skinny pine tree, and I just watched well.
As they got up to the intersection of that trail, that big black one glanced over and he caught sight of me. He immediately turned ninety degrees straight towards me. Ears pinned down, and he hit passing gear. He was coming at warp seven at me, and I drew a bead. He what zig zagony was coming straight for me. I got a good clear bead on him, and in my head map I said, turn dog, I don't
want to shoot you, turn stop, you know. And I probably let the dog get far closer to what most people they'd have probably been busting caps immediately. I was waiting. But at some point the alarm, I guess, he got within twenty twenty five feet of me an alarm, you know, and my head said too close. And as I practiced at the police range many times, I double tapped boom, boom, you know, quick quick, double tap, and I never saw I was so focused in on
the lead dog. I never saw the tree that had fallen across the trail, and there was about a foot gap on it was about two feet in diameter, and it was about a foot gap beneath it. As I double tapped, that dog been kind of dipped down. I don't know if he was dipping down the jump over the tree or he was dipping down to go under the tree. But my first hot shot hit right at the top of the tree, and I could see the dog's eyes closed and as head kind
of squint and turned to the side. Joe he squint had turned his head to the side. I think pieces of the bark or whatever hit him. He skidded to a stop behind the tree. In my second round hit a dead center. I'd have hit him once out of the two or both. Both shots didn't hit him, though, but that loud boom boom startled all
three of them. They did a one eighty and they took off. I thought in my mind it could have dropped one or two on their turn, but as long as they were retreating, I didn't want to kill him. I'm a dog lover. I've been around dogs all my life. But they fled when they got back to that trail, and turned south. I could hear a voice yelling, so I got as best as I could behind the tree and this so he looked like a troll. Very grizzly guy, had
no gun or anything in his hand. Come up and called the three dogs to him, and they were all on him and licking him and everything. And he finally caught sight of me, and I said, hey, look, your dogs attacked me. Hold him right there and I'll get out of here. And that's what I did. I hit the trail running and didn't stop till I got back to my car. But I can tell you this, Matt. If I hadn't been armed that day, I probably wouldn't be
talking to you now. I'd probably I could see fending off maybe one with a stick, but not three. They would have high loaded me. One of them would have got me on the ground and it have been over with brother, you know. Yeah, they'd have chewed me up. A buddy of mine. One time. We are down in an area which you just returned from, as a matter of fact, And yes, he was waiting and some plaster cast to dry, uh down in a creek bed and looked
up just in time to see a Ferrell hog running up on him. Oh yeah, yeah, it knocked him down and the fight was on and luckily he was able to get back up to his feet and wow, get away from him, and you know, it took back off. It was probably you know, a mother with some piglets or something. But uh yeah, you never know, you never know what's going to happen out there, one of those big boys. And I've jumped some out here, you know, in that area of the cedar trees. Um, they got some pretty good
tufts. If they ripped, if they rip your achilles on the back of your leg, you're you're. They can cut your legs out from under you and then it's all over. Well, this one put a big old gash in his leg and a rip up his jeans. Uh wow, yeah, wow, fortunate, very fortunate, very fortunately. Yeah. And in Oklahoma, in Texas, the feral hobbs are a big problem, you know. But well, hey, I enjoyed talking and sharing. We can do this again, so yeah, yeah, I'd like it very much. So I
appreciate you coming on and sharing some of your stuff. You know, you've been posting a lot of stuff on your Facebook page. Yes, yes, do you have that stuff on a YouTube channel for people to check out. You know, I've got it on Facebook. I've got a YouTube channel and I think it's under Stewart Taylor my middle name. Best way on my book is to just google Richard Taylor Bigfoot. That those three words Richard Taylor Bigfoot on Google and it'll take you to the links to my book. And it's
a booklet. You know, it's not a thick, thick book, but it has my early experiences, all of the picture clips and everything or mine. I've had them within fifteen feet of me, Matt, you know, there's not this. I thought I saw them. I'm looking at them eyeball to eyeball, looking at their facial expressions. And that was with Arla once in a lifetime experience. Man, it changed my whole thinking about these subjects. And a little bit of courtesy and respect goes a long way with the big guys.