If you'd like to talk about your own big Foot encounter, or if you're looking for help from a big Foot investigator in your area, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt, and this is the sixtieth episode. I want to say thank you to everyone who has supported the podcast so far. Hello to any new listeners out there. If you happen to be listening on a platform where you can leave
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to follow me on Instagram at Bigfoot Crossroads and Twitter at bf Crossroads. The guest on this episode, in my opinion, needs no introduction. If you're listening to this, you've probably listened to his show too. He is single handedly responsible for putting dog Man on the map. In my opinion, I would like to welcome the one and only Vic Kunduff to the show. Vic Man, Welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Sir. When you said I'd like to
welcome the one and only I started getting excited. I wasn't sure you're going to be inviting on. Who is it? Yeah? Then he said it was me, not that all. Come on now, Yeah, that can't be. The Key's not for me at least. But thanks for the hospitality. I appreciate it. Yeah. Long time coming, man. Oh geez, I've wanted to have you on for so long. I'm so happy it's actually happening. Well, thanks for the invite. We go back, man, we go way back. You know. We do be carefully. You're
gonna make me feel old. Yeah, no older than me. Can't fire shadows? Do people know a lot about that? Is that where you got your podcasting start? Some people do know about that. I can't fire shadow days, but I don't think too many. And by the way, everyone listening, I apologize in advance from my voice. It's all messed up. I'm doing the best I can. I don't know what's behind that, what's wrong with me, but I'm fighting my way through it. But anyway,
yeah, I can't fire shadows. That's how I got my start. I'm not sure if you remember how I fell into that, but in case you didn't, and I'm sure a lot of the listeners don't know. Back in two thousand and seven or so, Bear was hosting Can't Fire Shadows with Shane McMahon. Well back then, when Bear decided to leave the show, they were looking for someone to replace him. While I was a regular every single week, I would tune in and be right there in the chat room listening
to the newest show as it was being aired. And all of a sudden, as they were talking in the chat about who they thought would be the best replacement, next thing. I know, Beer types up. I think Vic Condiff would be a good replacement. I'm thinking, what I thought, you gotta be crazy, So yeah, I was asking him why in the world he thought that would be the case, and he was spelling out why he thought I would. I thought he was full of it. I thought,
yeah, I'm just not cut out for that. So yeah, I just listened to and make his case, and I thought, you know what, well, I guess it would be a lot of fun to try it. So yeah, they put me in in place and we had everything set up. Then we aired that first show and I thought, Okay, I can do this, So yeah, I co hosted that show with she and McMahon and I did that from what two thousand and seven and two thousand and
eight, and then that's all I got. Must start. Wow for those new listeners out there or people who aren't familiar, Bear was a good friend of mine and a former co host on a previous podcast I had called Bigfoot Outlaw Radio. Then years later you started a little podcast called dog Man Encounters Radio. It's kind of turned into something over the years. You know, dog Man wasn't something that was hardly spoken about back then you'd run across a
few stories here and there, and now it seems to be everywhere. There's numerous dog man podcasts. It's included hand in hand with bigfoot stuff all the time, and I personally think that you are at least the pioneer of that, if not single handedly responsible for getting that whole thing started. Why did you start art dog Man Encounters Radio? What got you into that exactly?
Well, that goes right back to Bear and Coombo days back in I think two thousand and eight, when Bear and Coombo had come back from some outing, and on that outing, I can't remember the particulars, but someone saw a dog faced booger. That's how they called it. That's how they put it. And as I'm listening to them talk about this dog faced booger that someone saw, I knew what a booger was, obviously a sasquatch, But a dog faced booger, What in the world are you talking about? So
I can't remember if I asked Beer or Coombo for clarity. Well, then I found out that what they were talking about was called a dog man. So I put some research into it and found out some things about dog men, and I thought Wow, if you have a sasquatch sighting and need to talk with someone to get help, you can almost go to your corner grocery store and get help. But if you see a dog me and one of these dog men, who do you go to to talk with and try to
get help? So I thought, you know, there's a real need here. Well, years down the road after that, I started actually talking with eyewitnesses. In two thousand and seven, I did, I'm sorry. In two thousand and eight, I did speak with my first Dogman eyewitness, But yeah, down the road after that, I put the pieces in plays to create dog Men encounters. So, yeah, I started talking with Dogman eyewitnesses about a year before I heared the first episode. Heared that first episode of
the show on August fifteenth. Now, I'm sorry, August twenty second of twenty fifteen, and yeah, four hundred and fifty three episodes later, not really showing any signs of stopping. I still going strong. That's right, still going strong. So many people have this idea that what you see or what you hear I should see is what you get. Okay, Well, Vick has spoken with one hundred and fifty two eyewitnesses because there are four hundred
and fifty two episodes. But yeah, that couldn't be further from the truth. I mean, there's so many people behind the scenes who contact me about their encounters wanting help that I mean more than you could shake a stick at the numbers in the thousands now. So yeah, it's just been something else. Well, maybe with your show and other shows like it getting this phenomenon out there. Maybe, I know, it definitely is gaining traction and is
leaps and bounds ahead of where it used to be. Still, it's not in the public eye like Bigfoot is, but maybe that will start to happen more and more. I know there's people, you know, documenting the sighting reports and like mapping them out and everything else. Do you think that there's as many dogman witnesses as Bigfoot witnesses? No, I don't think there are as many dogment eyewitnesses out there, But there are more dogment eyewitnesses by far
out there than you're ever gonna know. I talk with eye witnesses all the time who are so distraught about their encounters and they feel isolated, that whole prison without walls effect, and I tell them, look, you probably know people who've had encounters with these things. They just haven't told you. They haven't told you because they've got this fear of ridicule and they don't want to be judged and whatnot. Well, yeah, you're far from being alone.
I mean, there are more people, like I said, than you can shake a stick out who've had encounters with these guys. Doctors, lawyers, same thing with sasquatch eyewitnesses, people from every walk of life. So yeah, I mean a lot of people have seen these guys. But to answer your question, no, I don't think. I don't think that as many dogmen eyewitnesses are out there as there are for sasquatch. I don't think there
as many dogmen by a long shot. As far as comparing their numbers to sasquatch, have you noticed specific similarities between the two types of witnesses or any differences between the two types of witnesses. Oh yeah, Yeah, there's so much more trauma when it comes to dog me and eyewitnesses. I mean, I talk with over the years, I've spoken with plenty of Sasquatch eyewitnesses who they'll have a fairly frightening encounter with a Sasquatch and they're heading back into the
woods. They have one encounter with the dog men, then they're through. They're not heading back in. They don't even look at the forest. That's it. No conversation. No, the trauma that you see from a dogman
eyewitness compared to most sasquatch eyewitnesses, it doesn't even compare. And understandably, so when you're talking about something that looks like a werewolf, a werewolf on steroids that can be as tall as twelve feet I mean, a huge ten eleven twelve foot sasquatch, that can be frightening because you're just not expecting to see anything like that. But when you see something that's got that physical appearance of a giant werewolf, or even though six foot seven foot tall dog me
in, well, your mind says we're wolf. So yeah, the trauma is naturally going to be that much higher than if you see a sasquatch in most cases. So how did you get started with an interest in these subjects to begin with? I mean, how did you end up in that chat room of camp fire shadows? Oh, that's easy. I've always been really interested in things that go bump in the night, always loved watching monster movies,
and I've always been inter frightening things. And yeah, once the Internet came around and I started diving deeper and deeper into the Internet and what it had to offer, I eventually found out that there were things out there such as podcasts on set Asquatch and other things like that. Well, when I found that out, I thought, Wow, I've arrived. So yeah, it wasn't too long after that that I found out about about this Bigfoot show.
That Bigfoot show with An. I eventually found out about camp Fire Shadows, and I just liked that hole. It just had this really comfortable feel to it. I love listening to to Beer and Kombo and Dan and Vicky and you and listening to all the talk about the outings you guys would go on listening to the shows where you did live outings, especially that one episode when Shean saw that Sasquatch on air. Yeah, we had a lot of
conversations about that, just between the two of us. But no, it's just I felt like a kid in the candy store, So I feel like I was just destined to fall into it. Did you have any you know, paranormal experiences or cryptic experiences growing up and on into adulthood. Prior to well, I have had an experience that I would swear was a sasquatch encounter. Right, can't make the claim that I saw it, but when you put all the pieces together, I can't see how it could have been anything
but a big sasquatch literally just feet behind me. The story behind that is this was over forty years ago. I went with a neighbor deer hunting. I'd never been hunting deer hunting before, and he was an avid outdoorsman. This guy had done everything, been everywhere as far as being an outdoorsman went. And he told me, he said, look, if you get your hunting license, I'll take you down to my farm, which was literally out in the middle of nowhere in the hills and hollers. He said, I'll
take you down to my farm so we can head out opening day. And he'd said, I'll take you to a good spot and i'll leave you there and we'll see if you can't bag a deer. Well, it's kind of stupid. I've always been such an animal now that if I would have actually shot the deer that day, I would have been just beside myself. But Anyway, I took him up on it because I've always liked adventure. Well, the day before deer season came, so yeah, like he promised,
he drove us down to his farm. We just got settled in or whatever, and before you knew it was bedtime. We went to bed, and I went up to the attic where my bedroom was going to be. I went to bed, and we got up like an hour or so before dawn, and then I went downstairs and he already had breakfast ready, and we had breakfast, and then we got ready and we headed out the door. And like I said before, this guy, he literally his farm was in
the middle of absolute nowhere. I mean, hills and hollers doesn't do it any justice. So anyway, yeah, he told me, he said, I'm gonna walk you about maybe fifteen minutes twenty minutes to the south. I'm going to stake you out in this holler, and once you're settled, I'm going to move on and I'm going to set up a couple of hollers away from you. And then he said, I'll be back to come pick you up around four o'clock, maybe four thirty, and then we'll head back into
the house, so I said, okay, sounds good. So he left me there and I got settled in, and before too long, the sun came up and I'm looking around. This holler I was sitting on was a huge holler. It was steep sided. You could walk on those slopes, but you had to pay attention, and there were tons of leaves on the slopes because it was pretty heavily forested there. Well, I sat there until afternoon, and I didn't see a single thing. The only thing I really
saw were maybe a couple of squirrels, and that was it. It was just dead. And then I guess I'm getting ahead of myself. The day that we got there to his farm, he warned me. He knew how much I loved horses. He said, Okay, this horse over here, I forgot that horse's name. That horse is fine, but this one over there, his name is Red. Be sure to stay away from Red because he'll hurt you. He'll kill you. So that stuck in my mind.
Okay, fast forward. I'm sitting up against this huge oak tree on the side of this huge holler, and it's just a little bit after noon, and all of a sudden, from what sounded to be like maybe twenty fifteen twenty feet behind me. I hear this horsewhimmy, this loud horsewhimmy. And when I heard that, I froze. I thought, oh my gosh, I thought, what in the world. And then my mind went to red. I thought, oh my god, is that red? And then I'm thinking, no, it can't be red, because of how far we walked
away from his house and everything. And then also too, when you consider the fact that slope was so steep, I would have heard a horse coming from a mile away. A horse probably couldn't have navigated that slope. And then also all the leaf litter, I would have heard them coming from a mile away as well. So the next thing I know is I'm sitting there trying to figure this out. I hear this loud. You know, horses, when they're trying to clear their nostrils, they'll exhale forcefully and make that
concussive sound because the size of their lungs. There's no way as a human you can make that sound. But there's like a concussive like a shock. Because horses obviously can't breathe through their mouths. They only can breathe through their nostrils, so it's important that they keep their nasal passages clean. That's why they do that. Well, there was that huge concussive exhalation, and I'm thinking, oh my god, what was that. That has to be a
horse moving that much air volume. Well, I slowly leaned over to look around the tree trunk to see if I could see red, because it must have been read after hearing that exhalation in the winny. Didn't see anything. Okay, I guess I'll look around the other way. So I leaned over the other way and look back there there was nothing. Didn't see a thing. And I'd swear that sound had to be fifteen twenty feet at the most behind that tree that I was leaning up against, that big oak tree.
So I can't I can't think of what else it could have been besides a big sasquatch that did that. Again, if you could have heard that concussive exhalation, the volume of that exhalation, there's no way a human could have approached doing that. It just it had to have been either a horse that magically could disappear or a sasquatch. So yeah, I'm convinced to this day that it had to have been a sasquatch encounter. You know that happens a
lot with witnesses, where a lot of encounters with these type things. You just have to be there and experience it yourself to really convey the situation and understand because to someone just listening a skeptic, they would say like, oh, well, you must have been mistaken. It was clearly a horse.
You know, you don't know what you're saying, But whenever you're in situations like that, it's almost something instinctual inside of us that tells us that's not right, that that's not a horse, or you know, a dog off in the distance howling the horse whinny aspect of it is really interesting because you know, it is a common belief in the bigfoot world that bigfoot do mimic other animals to kind of mask their presence. Do dogman do the same sort
of thing. I've heard occasions where people have reported hearing what sounded to be a baby crying. They didn't see the dog men make that vocalization. So we're never going to know for sure that that's what it was, but there's evidence out there that points towards dog man possibly making sounds that might be misconstrued as being a baby crying. But again, we don't know for sure because I've never spoken with anyone who actually saw a dog man do that, So
I don't know. At the time of your incident, did you mention it to the property owner or anybody. No, I kept that to myself. I didn't say that because you'd have to know him. I can't tell you this. People. I've heard people make convincing horse whinnies, and because of the pitch, because of the what else, it sounded very convincing. But
the volume wasn't there. When you hear when you're coming back towards the herd after a long ride and you're on the herd boss and you get within sight of the herd and he let loose a whinny, you're not going to replicate that as a human. You just don't have the volume. And that's the kind of winnie that I heard. It was a forceful whinny. It wasn't
an afterthought. It was loud, it was powerful. And then after that I heard that concussive whatever the exhalation sound or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, if it was a horse, that horse had to make it all the way up to the top of that hollow. This was a big hollow. It was probably over one hundred feet from behind that tree,
like fifteen to twenty feet behind that tree. To get to the top of the hollow and out of my sight where I could have seen when I looked around to the right, and then I looked around to the left, this horse, this ninja horse, would have had to walk or run through about a foot of tree trash, you know, leaves and all that stuff leaves without me hearing it to get out of sight. I would have seen it to the left, I would have seen it to the right when I looked
either way. You explained it to me. I just don't see what it could have been besides the Sasquatch. I mean, it doesn't sound like an environment at all that a horse would wander into on its own without being forced there for some reason. Like you said, you would have seen it, you would have heard it, so I would agree. I would agree that you had a sasquatch encounter for sure, and you might be pretty fortunate to be able to tell that story to this day. Being out by yourself like
that. Who knows what could have happen. You're right, You're right. I'm embarrassed to say that it was literally years after the fact, years after I came to the realization there that that was what I most likely was dealing with. I don't see how it couldn't have been one. It was years after coming to that realization though, that I thought, you know, I don't wonder how long that sasquatch was there watching me. I didn't even think
about that. It might have been there for hours watching me without me knowing it. Yeah, the reflection is always frightening whenever you start really dissecting events like that and realizing what might have happened, what was possibly going on, And like you said, how long it was sitting there watching you? Was there only one? Were you surrounded? What was on their mind at the time? Why did it come up that close to you? What was its
intentions? I always reflect back on those type of things for my own experiences and the experiences I hear from others as well. Oh, definitely, I'll tell you what whatever it had to have been a sasquatch. Like I said, I didn't see it. I can't make that clean, but to make the sounds that I heard. It had to have been over had to have been over eight hundred pounds to make that those sounds to have that kind of volume, it had to have been over eight hundred pounds guaranteed, had to
have been But I don't know. I didn't see what it was, so I be guess I can't see definitively. You've, as you stated, and talked to a lot of witnesses over the years. Is there a story that a witness has told you that has affected you or kind of stood out more than others. Well, there have been plenty of stories, plenty of encounters that stood out and I think, wow, that poor lady that poured me in. I mean, I've spoken with people, some really tough embres who
they were just rattled to the core from their encounters. One guy, he's a big guy too. He used to fistfight on the weekends for money, and not because he wasn't good at it either. This was a big, tough guy and after having his encounter, I mean, he was just beside himself. But yeah, the most frightening encounters, the most frightening dog me and encounters you're never going to hear in the show because well, for a
couple of reasons, maybe several of reasons. Some of these people an understandably so they're too rattled to be able to share the experience more than once. They're finding their way getting that experience out to me, all the details shared with me, and then that's all they can do. Other people they've got their reasons for not wanting to come on, and there's never any pressure to
come on this show and share an experience. But yeah, there have been some that have been shared with me in private that Hollywood, they wouldn't even
know what to do with them. So one in particular, if you're looking for me to share one, there is this poor woman in Oregon who if I remember right, this was years ago, I think like seven years ago that she shared this with me. I think she was a security guard or she just worked over one night at this wood mill, a lumber mill, and this lumber mill, if I remember right, it budded right up against this huge forest there in Oregon. Well, she wound up having an encounter
with a dog man while she was smoking a cigarette outside on break. I don't remember the particulars well enough to really share this encounter. I can just share the highlights. But she was out back, out back of this huge building and having a cigarette break, and all of a sudden, this dogged me. I made its presence known. Well. The door that she ran in, she didn't have the means to shut it or lock it. All that she could do was just run into the building and try to hide.
Well, to try to hide, she went up this big steer set of steers up into this catwalk system, way up in the ceiling of this lumbermill. And she was hiding somewhere up in the catwalk, and before too long, she hears these footsteps, bipetal footsteps up there in the catwalk with her. So it was just literally like something out of the worst corror movie possible. Well, she's just beside herself trying to decide do I stay put and take my chances at he might find me, might not find me, or
should I just run go down to the floor hide in the offices. Well, after I got so close, she decided to bolt, and she went to the nearest stairs and went down the stairway, went into the offices and locked herself in the break room. Well, unfortunately, the break room had this big window that looked out onto the hallway in this building. Well, she's hiding underneath this table when all of a sudden she hears this was sounded like a nail tink tink tink tapping on the window, and she thought,
oh my god, is that what I think it is? So she looks up over the table, just peaks and here are two dog men, a big one and a smaller one, looking through the window, kind of bearing their teeth at her. She wasn't sure if they were smiling or snarling or what, but regardless, they were bearing their teeth. Well, she's thinking, I'm trapped. That's the only door out of this break room. Are they going to break through the window, break through the door, come through
the wall, because they're big enough to do that. What are they going to do? So she stayed in that break room until dawn, and once it was dawn, she thought, you know what, I forgot this other security guard's name. But she knew that there was someone who's supposed to be stationed outside in their car waiting for employees to show up. So she decided
to make a break for it. She ran out of the building. She threw the door up into the break room, she ran out into the hall, went down the hall as fast as she could, went charging out the door. They lead outside. Iiden this guy, he was sitting in his car. As expected, she went just running up to him, totally beside herself, just she was a mess, and understandably so she tried telling him what happened. He didn't believe it, and naturally she never went back.
And yeah, she years later she found out about me and contacted me to let me know about what had happened to her. But your heart really has to go out to these people who have these encounters like that. I mean, how do you have an encounter like that and go to work the next
day? How do you function? So that's what I focus on, talking with these people and bringing things up that they need to understand about their encounters about dog men so they can start putting the pieces back together and function in life again and do what they need to do and actually start to enjoy life again. That is nightmare fuel. That is absolutely horrifying on so many different
levels. Oh, definitely, a bigfoot encounter is one thing. I mean, people go out into the woods, you know, they have an encounter or something they see one they go home. But what you're saying, is these dog men actually pursued her into the building and then essentially stalked her and terrorized her. That's right, Beard their teeth at her through that big picture window, shutting out into the hall. There have been other cases too.
People are normally most traumatized, and understandably so, unless you're talking about a true face to face encounter when one of these guys is literally within feet of an eye witness and is doing whatever they can to terrorize this person. But yeah, normally the people who are most traumatized are the ones that are inside a building with a dog man. A dog man comes into their home. There was another eyewitness who he had just bought a home. I think he
had broken up with his wife. He was separated pending divorce. I think that's the case of what was going on. And he had bought this small home way out in the country, and he was handy, so he hadn't work to fix it up. He had it almost ready to live in. Well, since he worked a full time job, he would work on this house in his free time after work on the weekends. Well, he had
a whole bunch of tools. Since it didn't have a garage. He put a bunch of the tools he was using to flip this house to renovate it in the closet of one of the back bedrooms. Well, he had been working in the house for a while. It was after dark that night. This was one night after he got off work and decided to do more work in the home. He was back in that bedroom, sitting on the bed. I guess taken a break. Well, the power wasn't I guess nothing
was on in the home, no TVs. So the home was just dead silent, and he's sitting on the bed and next thing he knew, he thought he heard a sound that sounded like someone walking trying to sneak through the living room coming his way. So he just froze. He'd been making a little bit of noise, but he just froze and just sat there and listened. For a few moments, there wasn't any sound. And then after that period of time, he heard the floorally slowly creek, like somebody was in
the house trying to creep his way back to where the bedrooms were. So when he was sitting there and definitively heard, Okay, someone is walking across that floor heading this way. All kinds of thoughts are going through his head. Who is it? Are they trying to rob me or killed me? Or what? Well, there was a chainsaw, he said, there was a chainsaw in there was like a pile of tools in that closet there. That was the most formidable thing that he saw. So he snatched that thing
up. He had been using it, I think he said he had been using it earlier. So it fired him the first pull. He went charging out that bedroom door, expecting to come face to face with a person, some miscreant. Well, it was a juvenile dog man. It was like a six foot maybe seven foot tall dog man that was in the house that had been creeping across that floor, the living room floor, heading his way back to the bedrooms and all. Well, he said he chased it out
of the house with that chainsaw running full on. And I'm thinking, holy cow, I wonder what it was doing that for if he didn't hear it coming, what it would have done and all of that. So you talk about nightmare fuel, that's another one then fits into that category. Is that a common theme these things stalking humans like prey, Well, it's a common theme to have them give you the idea that they're stalking people as prey. But I've literally, like I said, I've spoken with thousands of dog mean
eyewitnesses. And if I had a nickel for every time one of these guys had an eyewitness dead to rights and had given them every reason to think that they were going to kill them, but they didn't, They never touched them, I'd be a rich man now time after time, and I pound this home when I'm talking with eyewitnesses. I hammered this fact tone with them so they understand. Look, I realize your encounter was terrifying as all get out.
But when that ten foot dogged me in with the slabber running through or eleven foot tall dog me and whatever it was that was blacker than black, with five inch long talons on the tips of his fingers, and he was standing there just two three feet in front of you, and globulates of slabber were are pattering in the dirt right in front of your toes. He had
you dead or rights. But if you was the mindless killing machine who would rip your face off as soon as look at you that you've been thinking of him as being all these years, we wouldn't be having this conversation, you
were allowed to go without a single hair being harmed on your head. So yeah, I mean, these guys will do things like that time in and time out, time and again to create the illusion that they're stalking you, to create the illusion that you're about to die, because for some sick reason, they seem to really get their jollies by terrifying people to within a niche of their lives. And then, in almost every case, once they can see that's going on, okay, well you have this person's mortified, they
leave. Now. People. I mean, if I had a nickel again for every time I received a message from someone who wants inform me that, well, what about the people who are killed by the dog men they encountered. You're making it out to seem like dogmen never kill anyone. Well, no, I'm never going to say that dogmen are necessarily safe to be around. I'm never going to say that dogmen don't kill people from time to time. But I will tell you the evidence clearly shows that if they do harm
someone, that's definitely the exception and not the rule. If that was a common occurrence, then you wouldn't have so many people who contact me and who have contacted me over the years to talk about their experience where they were caught dead or rights by a dog man in a compromising situation where if the dog man wanted to kill them, no one in the world would ever know what
happened to them. So yeah, I mean, there are going to be deviant dog men, just like they're going to be deviant people, horses, camel, goats. But I tell them this to help bring some comfort. I point out the fact that if you spoke with thousands upon thousands of people who have interacted with horses or goats or pigs, you name the animal and then you ask them, Okay, out of the thousands upon thousands of you who have interacted with horses, how many of you have been harmed intentionally harmed
by the horse or horses you've dealt with? Well, you know that number would be in the hundreds. Yes, I was stepped on, I was kicked, I was run into intentionally, you name it. That number would be hundreds of attacks. Well with dog men. Over the years I've been speaking with all these thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses. The number of credible eyewitnesses who have ever told me about being harmed by the dog man or dog men
they encountered, is a whopping six or seven. Well, at first, that's going to make you real and think, oh, six or seven dog men attacks. That's horrible, and that is. But when you look the big picture, the numbers tell you that you're safer, You're less likely to come to harm if you encounter if you're in the presence of a dog man, then if you're in the presence of a horse. The numbers clearly lay
that out for you. So I get it. They're terrifying as all get out to look at and to be around, but you can't ignore what the numbers clearly point out. Now, yeah, there are shows galore. Now that's the new fad to put on an episode of your show where there's this dog me an attack, where it's the face eating dog man and all this. Well, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox too bad on that, but I'll just say the volume of dog men eye witnesses ideal with is ridiculous.
I don't bat an eye. It's been this way for a long time now. I don't even bat an eye. If I have three or four brand new dogmans come in to me in one day from eye witnesses I've never heard from before. I have had days where I get as many as seven or eight brand new encounters come in. If I'm dealing with that kind of volume, and it is literally once in a blue moon when I ever hear from a credible eyewitness who talks about being harmed attacked by a dog man.
Well, if that's the case, and again I deal with that kind of volume, how can someone who doesn't deal with nearly the anywhere close to the volume I deal with, have a dog man attack victim every single time you turn around. I mean a perfect example of this. Recently, I guess
it's been about six months or so. I had an eyewitness or someone who claimed to be an eyewitness, who talked about how they're riding a horse when this dog man, a big dog men came walking up beside them and was looking in an eye and swatting them off the horse and the ones they were knocked off the horse and came and stood over them, over him and raked him across the chest. Well, when he told me that, I said, wow, that's horrible. Did you take a picture of the wound or
the wounds and he said yes I did. I said, okay, well, if that's the case, can I see the photo? And then he said sure so. Not too long after that, I put the pieces in place where I found two trauma surgeons who work in the Rockies, who I mean on a regular basis, they operate on people who have been attacked by
large predators, bears, mountain lions. The pieces were put into place where I was going to be allow I was going to be able to send this photo to them to get their professional opinion on whether what they saw in this
picture gave the impression of a legitimate large animal attack. And when I asked this quote unquote eyewitness about doing that, once I had the pieces in place to be able to send that photo to the trauma surgeons, once I asked, okay, well, I've got two trauma surgeons who are based in the Rockies and they'd be happy to take a look at your picture to let me know to share their professional opinions with me on the validity of your picture.
Would you mind if I sent this picture to them, because I won't send the picture out without you know, the eyewitnesses approval. When I asked him about that, he just disappeared, didn't want any part of it. And that's the way it almost always is. When these people contact me and talk about being attacked, you know, when you start digging deeper into it, in almost every case, it just doesn't hold up. I'm not saying again, I'm not saying at tax don't happen, because you know, I believe
they do. I have spoken with six or seven eye witnesses who I think they're the real deal. I think they actually attacked, But for being a regular occurrence, I just don't buy that. I was going to say, you're talking about the amount of volume that you deal with whenever it comes to
witnesses. I have personally seen you make public statements about someone contacting you trying to come on the show, but you determined that they were lying to you or fabricating parts of their story and wouldn't have them on, which is very commendable. But I just want to point out to the listeners that you're getting this volume of witnesses. You're in the four hundreds now on your show about dog Man, and you don't put everybody on the show. That's right,
Yeah, I don't. As you know, you've been doing this for a long time that I don't need to tell you that. If you can hear a show about a sasquatch attack, if you can hear a show about especially about a dog meant attack that sells, that's going to put butts in seats. If you're monetized, which I am. If you're monetized, then obviously the more views you get, the more money you put in your pocket.
But when you get into this, you have to make a decision on what's going to be more important to you, the truth, on what you're putting out or lining your pockets. So yeah, that's why I do my best to make sure if I'm putting an encounter route there, that it's truthful. I would much rather send someone away who in my opinion, is lying than to bring them on and compromise the truth like that. So yeah, that's
why I do that. So, yeah, that's what's behind that. To kind of touch on that episode thirty four Dog Mean Encounters, this is related to that whole thing what we're talking about now. Had a guest Nee Michael Lawrence. If anyone's listened to many episodes of dog Mean Encounters, I'm sure they're going to remember Michael. He came an episode thirty four, and he was also on episode thirty five, but I was to talk about other later
encounters he had. But on episode thirty four he talked about how he went camping with his boy Scout Troop when he was a kid in the ends of Brego Desert in California, and he talked about how this juvenile dogged man unzipped his tent, came into the tent and sat on his legs and actually licked his face all the while its mother what he thought was its mother, was standing outside looking down at him through the vent in the roof of his tent.
Well, when I read that report when he sent it into me, I thought, okay, yeah, I really need to vet this guy to make sure he's not blowing smoke. Well, yeah, I started throwing. After some light conversation to kind of break the ice, I thought, okay, well, it's time to vet him. So I started throwing vetting questions at him that only someone who had been that close to a bona fide dog man with know the answers and with no hesitation. I'd love a question,
a vetting question. Instantly the correct answer came firing back. Wow, So I'd throw another vetting question instantly the correct answer came right back. What's one plus one? I mean it was like that, so I thought, you know what, this guy is the real deal here. So what's really funny is after that episode aired, naturally you've got the Peanut Gallery, You're always going to have people trolls coming in and wanting to browbeat eyewitnesses. Well,
this isn't t ball. I'm not gonna put eyewitnesses up on a t for trolls like that to tee off on. But they make comments about how Michael was lying and all this, and I'm laughing at them, thinking, okay, yeah you can think that, but no, he's a real deal. He definitely did have those experiences that he talked about on that show. But yeah, you're never going to be perfect vetting these people, as you know,
because again you've been doing this for so long, Matt. But I do the best I can to vet them and only bringing truthful eyewitnesses on. I have heard stories from some individuals that I trust about witnessing some amazing dog man evidence that they you know, it doesn't belong to them, It's not up to them to release it. Was privately shared with them, and they didn't really go into detail or anything. They just told me how amazing this
stuff was. What some of the amazing evidence that you've seen that's never seen the light of day or never will see the light of day. I mean, obviously protect the identities of the witnesses and don't give away anything that you you know you shouldn't, but like, have you seen some amazing footage or anything like that? Oh, definitely. Yeah. That's one of the biggest reasons why I just don't get excited about evidence that's shared with me. Vic,
I've got a photo I want to share. If you've got to see this, well, yeah, after you've seen what I've seen over the years, it's not going to blow my socks off if this person wants help dealing with an encounter by all means. But yeah, I just don't really get into the pictures or the evidence. But anyway, by far and away, the most impressive evidence that I've seen was some footage that was I guess what,
eight years ago, this eye witness send it to me. Either he or another friend of his found out about a dog men or dog men plural that we're hanging out in this area in the foothills of this yere in Nevada Mountains, and and I guess to try and get evidence, they strapped this game cam to a tree trunk. Well, as you know, the more expensive game cams, you can set them not only to snap photos when they detect motion, but you can also set them if you want to film.
Well that's what they did. They strapped this expensive game cam or a more capable game cam to this tree trunk and set it up on film mode. And then they hungsome bait about five feet away on a branch. Well, I don't think he ever told me if it was that day or maybe the next or whatever it was, but yeah, in broad daylight, you could see this dog man moving from left to right, coming into view full view
of the camera. It walked between the camera lens in the bait that was hanging out on that branch, so it was literally less than five feet from the camera lens. It walked into view again from left to right. It's coat had like a like a timber wolfish coyote ish like color pattern to it. There were hairs that maybe started out like I guess, you know, coyotes and timberwolves some of them have here have fur where the fur is kind
of gray towards the body. The further away you get from the body, the hair strand chanees color to like a brownish and then like a black tip or something like that. That's the kind of color that this dog men had. Well, that walked into full view from left or right, and then it stopped and then it turned to go through the bait. So I got to see it from the front, I got to see it from the back and back. Then it wasn't all that long after I had had a conversation
with a gentleman who made a habit out of analyzing sasquatch footage. Well, I contacted him and Richard Dye I think is his name. I think his name is Richard Dy. I think he was on episode six of dogg Me and Encounters. But anyway, Yeah, I asked the eyewitness or the person who sent me the film footage, would it be okay if I shared this footage privately with a gentleman who on a regular basis analyzes footage of sasquatch,
And he said sure, by all means. So I sent the private YouTube link of this film footage to him, and it just blew his socks off, just like a blew mine off. He thought, Holy cow. So yeah, we were talking on the phone while we were both watching this video footage at the same time. So yes, not just a situation where I was the only person who looked at this. Again, I think his first name is Richard, and I'm pretty darn sure his last name is Eady.
He saw it too, We both looked at it, and that's by far and away the most impressive footage. Now. I've had photos that have been shared with me that would just literally if I hadn't seen that film footage, the photos would well, the photos still blew my socks off because they were so impressive. I mean, if you take your dog on a sunny afternoon, let your dog out the back door, the backdoors slams, and then you pull up your camera and snap a photo when the dog is literally like
maybe twenty feet from the back door. That's how clear the picture or pictures I'm talking about are. So These people who say just because they haven't seen any impressive dog me unrelated evidence. These people who say, well, yeah, dog men aren't real, they're not out there, because if they were there'd be impressive evidence to support their existence. Well, guess what, there
is very impressive evidence, you just haven't seen it. So for someone to come to that conclusion because I haven't seen that footage that evidence that means they can't be extant, that's just it's just ridiculous. You're also extremely familiar and active in the Bigfoot world and a veteran of the Bigfoot world, and over the years we have seen a growing in the paranormal Bigfoot belief in claims. Is there a paranormal element to dogman stories? Do witnesses claim does see things
that can't be explained biologically like they do with Bigfoot? Oh? Yeah, all the time. You've got encounters that range from there aren't any details in the encounters that point towards idea that what they encountered was anything more extraordinary than
a rabbit or a wool for whatever, no ethereal qualities, whatsoever. Then you've got other people that are in the far end of that, on the other into the spectrum where if what they told you about their encounters is true, then there's no getting around the fact that what they encountered had to be from the ether, had to be of supernatural origins, So yeah, it does run the gamut with them, just like it does with sasquatch. Do you have stories of cloaking or mind speak and things of that nature. Oh
yeah, yeah, definitely all the above. Plenty of encounters were very credible. Eyewitnesses talked about cloaking dog men and and mine speak to That's not rare at all. That's been reported plenty of times as well. So yeah, everything that you hear from the big foot side, you pretty much hear from the dog inside as well. I've ran across a lot of witnesses who have had big foot encounters, have multiple big foot encounters, and have experienced other
unexplained phenomenon in their lifetime. Is it the same way with dogman witnesses. Do you ever talk to them about have you ever seen a ghost or a UFO or a bigfoot or do they have multiple dogman encounters over a period of time. Yeah. Once someone has a dog mean encounter, that does seem to open up the door to future encounters. It's not always the case. Most people who see dogmen don't have another encounter. At least it's been my
experience that that's the case. But yeah, It's not uncommon at all for people to contact me who've had two, three, four or more encounters with these guys. So it does seem like someone who's had an encounter before is more likely to have another encounter than someone who's never seen one. It's like a door is opened up for some reason. What's your take. I know you've heard some of these firsthand. I'm sure that there seems to be with
Dogman a lot of stories of military or government involvement. You know, you hear stories about these special task forces going out and eradicating dogmen that are dangerous or whatever. Is there some sort of government involvement or cover up going on
with the dogman phenomenon. Well, I'm convinced that there is a government cover up, that the government will do anything and everything in its power to keep their existence under wraps, because if they did lift that cat out of the bag, I've got no doubts that it would collapse our economy, it would collapse the whole world's economy as far as that goes, because if you think about it, if it was allowed to be officially accepted, that guess what,
in a force near you, there is every possibility that something that looks like a giant were wolf is hiding, is living. If that was allowed to get out of the bag, what lumberjack is going to want to go out there into the forest and run a noisy chainsaw for ten twelve hours out of the day where they can't hear or see anything that's going on behind them. And people who harvest other things in the forest that we rely on on a day to day basis, not just talking about lumber for houses, buildings,
other things, but medicine. Think about how many medicines are actually derived from plants in the forest. Well, that's gonna falter because no one's gonna want to go and harvest this type of plant, that type of plant when they know that they might encounter a dog men out there. No, thank you so. And then also too, I'll do you one better than that. Who's going to want to live anywhere close to a forest when they know that, okay, well in that forest, there's every possibility that one of
those dog me and things might be there. So it would just cause our way of life to falter almost literally almost overnight. So yeah, I've got no doubts whatsoever. The government will do everything in its power to keep their existence under wraps. As far as these government programs where you hear this show talk about mister Blue and you know I used to work for the dog Men whatever team and all this, I think that's just trying to put butts and
seats. If you had a position with the government where you were privy to that type of information, it would not be good for your health to go on a podcast and broadcast that they would find you. If you did that, they would find you and they would put a stop to that, guaranteed. So I don't buy into any of this where you have all this conspiracy theory stuff coming on this show or that show. I just don't buy that
for us. Second, I'm convinced that's just an attempt to line pockets, to put butts and seats, because again, lining your pocket or pockets is more important to you than the truth. At the end of each of my episodes, I kind of do this tagline, there's something in the woods internally that has a different meaning than how it comes across. Whenever I had my first big foot encounter, one of the first things that came to mind whenever I was breaking it down and processing it was that oh my god, this
thing isn't supposed to exist, and I just saw one. It's real, it actually exists. And then that was followed by, wait a minute, if it's real, what else is out there? What else exists that's not supposed to be real? And you know from some of our very early talks with one another, they're about Dogman. I was extremely skeptical. I've never seen one, and the idea of a giant bipedal canine type creature, I mean, sure werewolves, you know, I get it, but like,
that can't possibly be real. Now it's years later, and I've talked to a lot of people, and I've talked to some people that I trust very much. I obviously have a great deal of respect for you and your judgment and your experience. I'm no longer so much on the fence as just someone
who hasn't had their own personal experience. There's definitely something out there. There could be a lot of things out there, So I think a lot of the cover up stuff isn't necessarily about covering up Bigfoot or covering up Dogman. As much as there's monsters out there, there's things out there that you have no idea what's out there, And if we admit to this one, everybody's going to are asking about all these others and just figuring out that there's other
things out there besides that. I think it would change the perspective and the dynamic of the entire world. Like you're saying, I don't think it's this or that. I think it's a whole slew of things, just like you were saying. You know, it's always boils down to money and control and power at the end of the day. But I don't think it's necessarily just this faction or this faction. I think it would create great instability and everything.
Oh no, I agree. I couldn't agree more. Think about the religious side of it, the effect it would have on religious on things. And this just goes so much further above and beyond the whole spotted awl angle. You've got people who say, well, the spotted alphenomenon, that's why the government doesn't want this to get out. It's so much deeper than that. It's so much above and beyond at behind why the government would be crazy
to let it out of the bag. If these guys sasquatch and dog men, especially dogmen exist but yeah, I mean, just imagine a world just overnight if it was allowed to get out. Wake up tomorrow and on the news it's officially allowed to get out of the bag, that these guys are really out there. Like you said, people are gonna try and process that, and it's not going to be too long before we, like you said,
they're going to start to wonder what else is out there. So it would really be a morass if a government allowed it to get out after all these years. What are your thoughts on LBL. I noticed that fairly recently a new LBL witness came forward after all these years. I think they were claiming to be a deputy involved in the investigation at the time or something like that. I'm not real positive on that, but what are your thoughts.
Do you think the famous story of the LBL dogman massacre is true? You know what, after talking with so many people, I think that probably did
happen. But there have been so many things that have been brought out after that that were, in my opinion, situations where people tried to kind of glom onto that perfect example, as you know, being in the Sasquatch community the way you are, you know, full well that a few years ago someone came out and claimed they claimed that they were there the day that the family was murdered in that RV and then the daughter, of course was found
hanging in that tree dead. But someone came out and made the claim that they were there. Well, obviously, naturally there was a huge buzz about that. But I've got this policy when it comes to talking with eyewitnesses. If I catch you in one lie, how can I trust you to be telling me the truth about anything else? If I catch you lying about this or that, well, how can I trust that you're telling me the truth
about even having your dog me an encounter. What I'm getting at here is that quote unquote eyewitness who claimed to be an eyewitness who claimed to be there that day and saw his family supposedly Master heard. Well, I don't know how long it was after he came out and claimed to be there that he
contacted me. He contacted me and told me that I knew that about maybe a year a year and a half ago, that he had gone on a show, a podcast, another podcast and made a about how people were asking, well, why didn't you take this up with Vic and whatever or something like that I don't listen to that podcast, but it was brought to my attention. Well, he said something about me being a liar and whatnot, that I tell lies and all this, and I guess I don't have any
credibility. Well, some time after that, he actually contacted me and told me he apologized for saying that. And I'm thinking, of the whole time, I've never spoken with you, So how can you make that claim? Number One, I'm not a liar. Number two, I never have had a conversation with you. Period. Well, he contacted me, apologizing for saying that on that podcast because the person who hosted that podcast and some other
people who worked that podcast coerced him into saying that about me. So I'm thinking, okay, Well, if you came out and said that something that you didn't know was true, that is, in it's own way, a lie, Then how can I trust anything that you're saying? How can I believe that you were actually there that day when you claim to have been there and witnessed this supposed murder. Again, I'm not saying the murder didn't happen, but yeah, because of what I'm sharing with you now, that's why
I don't believe what he claimed to be the truth. I don't believe that was the truth. I could be wrong, but that's the reasoning behind why I just don't believe him when he came out and he claimed that he was there that day. Again, as far as the whole LBL murder there with r the family being found in the RV, I think it probably did happen. I think the bow a Hunter murder probably did happen, finding out what
I've found out over the years. But if I was a betting man, i'd probably put eighty five percent on yes, they both did happen, in just fifteen percent on no, they didn't happen. Have you spoken with anybody credible in the law enforcement or military that has had their own dog man encounter? Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely. In most cases, though, when someone is in law enforcement or military, especially active duty, in most cases p obvious reasons, it's in their best interest not to come forward and
put it out there. But yeah, I have spoken with my fair share of people that that are military, people who are in law enforcement about their experiences. I had one eye witness. It was a bonus episode called nightmare experience. He was a police officer who was called out to this mobile home way out in the country because this guy who lived there in that mobile home had an encounter and he wanted help someone to come out and and render assistance.
So he went out there and took a look around, and he actually wound up seeing an eight footer. This one was actually eight feet when it was down on all fours. Its arms were noticeably longer, which is often the case. Its arms were noticeably longer than its back legs. But he said that even down on all fours like that, it was still eight feet tall. So it was probably one of the twelve footers that he actually saw
that day, twelve feet on its back legs. But yeah, he is a perfect example of law enforcement contacting me to tell me about an encounter. They had the typical generic big foot question that gets asked to everybody. I'm now going to ask you about dogmat What are they? What do you think
they are? That's a million dollar question. If you do what I do for any period of time, it's only now natural that you're going to bounce back and forth from at one minute, one moment being convinced that they have to be flesh and blood because why would an ethereal being drink nasty, stagnant
water out of a moss covered pond. Why would an ethereal being eat fetid road kill off the side of the road, or have a situation where credible eyewitnesses see dog man pops two feet tall, standing two feet tall right there next to a full grown dog man. Why would that happen if you're looking at a supernatural being or supernatural beings. And then, on the other hand, how could they be flesh and blood? If they're able to cloak, if they're able to mind speak, if they're able to turn into a ball
of light an orb So yes, just natural. You bounce back and forth from one moment to the next, being convinced that this is a case. Okay, now maybe that's the case. So yeah, I can't tell you what they are. All I can do is just tell you what's been shared with me and whatnot. That's about all I can do. One final question before we get out of here. Dog man versus big foot? Who wins?
Well, it depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking about a twelve foot dog man versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, because of the weaponry, I'd still see the dog man. But if you're talking about an eight foot dog men versus a twelve foot sasquatch, then yeah, my money would definitely be on the sasquatch. Think about it. Would you take a two hundred twenty pound men two hundred forty pound man? Okay, I don't care how tough you are. Is that two hundred thirty pound man
two hundred forty pound men? Is he can to get the warm and fuzzies when he thinks about the possibility of being locked in the twelve twelve foot room with one hundred ten pound rod wiler. No, not at all. And guess what. Rotwilers don't have three four or five inch long talons on the tips of their fingers and on the tips of their toes. They don't have the intelligence of these dog men. So it doesn't even have to be a twelve foot dog man and the twelve foot sasquatch. I wouldn't be surprised if
a nine foot dog man could take out a twelve foot sasquatch. Strength is really impressive in a fight, but it's only going to do so much if someone has a knife or a knife in both hands, and their jaws are lined with big sharp teeth. If that person is quite a bit smaller than you and you're unarmed, even though you're quite a bit stronger than that adversary, you're still giving up a lot to them in that fight. So that's why I think dogmen definitely have an advantage in a fight with a sasquatch if
the sizes are even close. Are they known to run impacts like dogs? Is that something that's even known well? Dogmen have been seen in groups. But if you think about it, large predators not talking about lines, of course, because that's different. They deal with game. Herds of will to beasts and zebras and whatnot. They deal with an abundance of game that you're not going to see over here in North America for the most part. But herds true herds. But if you think about it, a large predator like
that, it's in their best interest not to hang out in numbers. Wolves they hang out together in a group because the game they dispatch, it requires numbers to dispatch that prey. Whether you're talking about elk or a moves or a bison, you name it, it takes numbers to take that prey down, or if you're talking about mule deer or whatever kind of deer, Okay, instead of requiring strength to take down that prey, you're looking at teamwork
to tire out that mule deer. Well with dog men, they have the speed and strength to dispatch anything they come across, whether you're talking about a bison, draft horse, you name it. They don't need help. They can do just fine on their own without any help. And if they did hang out numbers, then all of a sudden, before you know it, they've depleted the resources in any given area that much quicker, requiring them to
move on to another area. So, in my opinion, it's in their best interest, just like grizzly bear, just like a tiger, it's in their best interest to only hang out alone. Unless you're talking about mating or maybe some other reason why they're going to come together, it's in their best interest to have a situation where they do live alone. Almost all the time, they have been seen in numbers, though I can't say that they haven't
because there have been credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing groups of them. There is one eyewitness who he lived in a mobile home park at the time. It was like two in the morning something like that, and he heard this what he thought was a lady screaming in the woods behind the mobile home park. So he grabbed a bat headed out the back door, head in. I think he went into the woods down this path that had been cut through the forest that a lot of people in the area would use. Well,
after he went some distance into the woods, he didn't see anyone. He didn't hear anything, didn't hear the woman. So he thought, okay, well, maybe I was just dreaming and imagined it. So he turned around to walk back to his trailer, and when he did that, he saw three dogmen on one side of the path, three dogmen on the other side, he said, And there wasn't anything back the way, the opposite direction from his home, nothing but more woods. So he was a religious man.
He just said a prayer, kept his head down, and just walked right down the path, he said, between the six dogmen to get home. They were close, close enough to touch him, but he said, they never did touch him. So can you imagine that? No way? Yeah, I mean, I guess he didn't have a choice. But geez, I agree, Vick. I appreciate it man, thank you so much for coming on. Tell the good folks where they can find you. Well, you're welcome about coming on, glad to do it. As far as
listening to my shows, I've got four podcasts. I've got dog Me and Encounters, which if you go to dog Me and Encounters, that's the website for the show, you can find out how to listen everything you'd like to know about this show and about Dogman there. And then I've got two bigfoot shows. My newest bigfoot show was called My Bigfoot Sighting. If you go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com you can find out how to listen to the
show and everything like that. If you want to listen to my older bigfoot show that's been around since twenty sixteen, it's called Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio, you just need to go to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and you can find out all the particulars there about that show. And then last, the most recent show that I produced is a pure normal theme show. Everything goes if it doesn't
involve a dog meant encounter or a Bigfoot encounter. If it involves ghosts, strange cryptids that aren't again Bigfoot or Dogmann related you a phoe abductions or alien abductions, UFOs sightings, all the above. That show is called My Paranormal Experience. If you want to check out that show, then please go to my PS and paul A r a Ex dot com my Pierax dot com. If you go there to the website again, you'll find links for how to listen and all of that. But having said all that, Mad, it's
been a great time. Thank you so much for having me on, and I'm looking forward to having you on Bigfoot eye Witness Radio. Come to mention it, Yeah, gonna make an appearance on the Little Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio show. I'm looking forward to it. Man. Like I said, you know, I've been wanting to have you on forever. I always enjoy talking to you, man, and I've once again enjoyed this conversation. I feel like
I've learned quite a few things about dogman and dogmen encounters. And if you've had an encounter and would like to share with me, email me at Bigfootcrossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links to the social media, a place to file a report, links to the merchandise, all the good stuff, and until next time, remember there's something in the woods and it might just be a dog man.