Ep:116 Snowplow Sasquatch

There's an s turn on the road. Some of the snow plows they have this light. It's just ultra bright light on the passenger side. It's it's basically supposed to light up the passenger or the or the ditch side of the road because of the wing plow. And if I think if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have seen this thing. You hear the stories and you tell people, and I'm sure you've heard this from others that that this thing was big, and you don't and you will not grasp it until you see

this thing. This had to be the alpha male, and if it wasn't, then I don't want to see an alpha male. It was just massive. I'd like to welcome Stan to Bigfoot Crossroads. Stan. How are you doing, sir? I'm doing well, man. How are you this afternoon? Doing all right? Doing all right? Man? I appreciate you coming

on here like this and talking to me. You know, we talked a little bit about your encounter that you had, and there were some aspects of it that actually really interested me. So I'm excited to talk about it. Man. First off, where are you from? Tell me a little bit about yourself. I grew up in the in pretty much bigfoot mecca in central Washington. I grew up Oh geez, I think our nearest neighbor, our year round neighbor, was about ten miles away. Wow. So yeah,

we were out in the sticks. Today it's totally different. It's the population has absolutely exploded where I lived. But from there, I mean, I pretty much, except for a little bit of time in the military, I pretty much has been running around the middle of the Northwest. I spent a little time out in Pennsylvania, which was I did that as a business assignment. But I did that so I can go out there and look at some of the areas out there for bigfoot sightings as well. Man, he could

actually be kind of surprised how many people do that. You know what, once you catch the bug, man, it's always on your mind wherever you go. Well, after my sighting in twenty fifteen, you know, I was one of those people that. So we owned a restaurant out like I said, about fifteen miles from from the nearest from the nearest restaurant or from the nearest grocery store. So, like I said, we were out in the sticks. But we owned a restaurant out there. It was kind of

a cafe tavern. I don't wear that look, you know, that remote pretty much anything you want to call it, social club whatever. Yeah. So we got we got hikers, we got hunters, we got fishermen, we got you know, campers all the time coming in saying, you know, weird things happened. And when I was a child, I was one

of those people that I was smart enough. And I'm not to say that I was lied to by my parents, but you know, being six, seven, eight, nine years old, you know, parents would said, well, don't leave the property because you don't know what's out in those woods, and I just you know, oh yeah, the boogeyman, ha ha. Right. So by ten by by ten years old, yeah, I started walking. I would I would start hiking on my own and I would take off and never come home for five, six, seven, eight hours

at a time. And you know, parents were busy at the restaurant. So long as I wasn't hurt, they didn't really care, you know, which is good and bad, you know. But I came home and ate dinner and went on my merry little way. It wasn't until my sighting that yeah, which by the way, which in January, January fifteenth of twenty

fifteen. And when I had my sighting, there's so many emotions went through me, and I remembered a couple of them being, you know, I was being like to and about all these loggers and whatever say, oh, there's no such thing as sasquatch or big foot or whatever. And I'm sitting there looking at this thing, and I'm like, you're telling me that's not real. But did you paint that on my windshield? You know, I

don't understand. Is this one of those Scooby Doo things that the movie, you know, with the movie camera that you know, trying to keep me, you know, but in my truck and away I went, so, you know, I and and from there just just started a flurry of I immediately went on the internet and started to research the topic a heck of a lot more. I started to read books, blah blah blah, you know,

talk to people, talk to friends. And it was only then that I realized that when I was out walking around it, you know, and eleven years old, that I've had experiences pretty much all my life and I didn't even realize it, just that Bigfoot hindsight. Yeah, once the eyes are open. Yeah, yeah, you know, I who you know, I didn't know that they would throw sticks and pine cones and rocks and you know whatever else at you not that I not that I ever recalled that ever

happening to me. But I didn't know that they would do screams and howls and in wood knocks and clacker you know, clack rocks together, and which I know I've heard all that kind of stuff when I was a kid. I know it. I know the rock the rock clacking, you know when they yeah, that is I know. I've heard that several times. And when people do it, you know, as a joke, it's always triggers a memory from when I was a kid, going, you know, I

heard that up at Culter Creek one time. You know. So, I mean, why would a sasquats look at a ten year old going, oh my gosh, that's a threat, you know exactly. I mean, if you don't mind, let's just kind of, you know, break it down and walk through your siding. Sure, okay, Like I said, it was January fifteenth, approximately about one one fifteen, one thirty in the morning on twenty fifteen. I was working as a seasonal snowplow driver. I was,

even though I was living in a little town called Winanching. I worked up basically where I grew up, about about thirty miles away is where I was actually my route was. I was working and being the junior man. I got stuck on the night shift, which hide and Sight was one of my favorite shifts, still one of my favorite things to do today. And

that it was one of those really slow, real no cars around. We had a really abnormal snowfall that year, but this night was never had those nights where it kind of like snows for about maybe fifteen to twenty minutes for maybe like a quarter inch flurries basically, and then stopped for a couple hours and then maybe another end. It was one of those nights where it was just it wasn't even worth being there, but I'm going to plow the roads just because I'm bored. At one fifteen, you know, yeah, and

I was driving down the road. I was just kind of dazing off and you know what I'm going to do the next day, you know when I wake up and trying to you know, just I really wasn't, you know, just kind of zoned down and uh, there's a there's an S turn on the road and you swing to the left and then you swing back to the right. And I know some people, probably some of your listeners will know this that some of the snowplows they have this light. It's just ultra

bright light on the passenger side. It's it's basically supposed to light up the passenger or the or the ditch side of the road because of the wing plow, so we don't hit the wing, blow break it off, do it cause damage on everything, you know, whatever. We just replaced it that day before the shift, and it was just illuminating. And if I think

if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have seen this thing. I was coming up on a train trestle and as I was swinging from because as I said, you know, I was entering the S turn going to the left and I was coming back to the right, it had flinched right at the lat at the right moment, and it caught my eye. It was I joke about it today saying that it was like it was like a kid getting caught, you know, with the hand in the kid cookie jar. I was like you and uh, I continued on and I just stared at this

thing. I was just I was in. I was just in wonder. You know, you you hear the stories and you tell people and you I'm sure you've heard this from others that that this thing was big, and you don't and you will not aspit until you see this thing. This had to be the alpha male, and if it wasn't, then I don't want to see an alpha male. It was. It was just massive. I I

I. It was a brownish black. I only got to see as you know, as you as your as your nose is facing forward as twelve o'clock, I only got to see, like from the seven o'clock profile all all the way around to the two. It was climbing up the hill. And what made it worse is that there were about five or six foot trees that

are along the the the road climbing up to the railroad tracks. Since that timeframe, some of the trees have been knocked down because they got too big and they were interfering with the railway and uh and but a couple of them are still there today. And I was pass through and my eyes I was just fixiated. Even though even though the trees were blocking my view. I was. I was just memorized. I was, I was memorized. I

was. I how I made it through the through the trestle without hitting anything, I don't know, but I just And there was one spot between the cab of the truck and the mirror that it hit just right between two trees. And I got to see some of the muscle definitions, some of the of of of his because it's his leg that was closer to me, meaning his right leg was totally straight. His left leg was kind of like he was stepping, you know, so he was up a half and I got

to see his right arm. And I didn't get to see its face, which I wished some day. I wish I get to see another one. I like to see the face because a lot of people, and a lot of reports that I've heard, and a lot of people I've talked to you, they say that it's just it's unmistakable. There's so many human characteristics, and I would like to see. I mean, that's odd to say I want to make eye contact with one, but I yeah. And you know, so I got to see you know, the hair definite, you know,

the muscles, the the ridges in it. It was. It was only like fifteen feet away from the truck. So I mean I got to see a glimpse of that one to two second glimpse will be etched in my mind forever. And then just as fast as I saw it, you know, it was gone. I had to pass through. I passed underneath the trestle and and I went a little faster, and then I should have all the way down to my turnaround spot and then came back and by that time

it was gone. But you know, I've heard over my since that time, for I've heard two or three other people say that during the wintertime that

they've witnessed and they've seen tracks there too in the past. And I never could understand why that spot until one of my friends that works for the for the railroad in the area tell me that that during the wintertime they have to go into the to the tunnels to take carcasses deer carcasses or whatever out because I guess during storms, they will get into the train, you know the

tunnels. Oh yeah, there was a tunnel like a quarter mile from that from the trustle, and that the deer will get hit by a train and sit there so I'm thinking, oh, so maybe the Bigfoot is using that as like a refrigerator in January and for for because there was still deer up there, which usually they migrate out. But like I said, there was a really light snowfall that year. So that's that's my only That's that's my theory on that aspect. No, I think that's a really good one.

I would totally agree with that theory personally. Yeah, it's it's the only thing that I can especially since there's another Stephens past, which I'm sure there's you've heard, You've read stories. I mean, Stevens is, like I said, the Mecca, it seems like the center hub of Washington State. And it's just it's it's sasquatchy. I mean, it's squatchy as you know if you've heard before. But there's a tunnel. There's a seven seven mile

tunnel that goes under that as well. And same thing is that people Burlington northern guys that uh that they say the same thing that that there's that they find weird things and whatever, and carcasses in both of those and both of the entrances there's sightings all the way around it. Wow. Yeah, the the Burlington Northern. A friend of mine some of the I know who's who,

who actually does a researcher as he calls himself. He he told me that there's a secret society within the Burlicton Northern of the railroads that because they don't want others or their bosses to know that they've had sightings of sasquatch,

because they're too scared of their jobs. And I cracked into one of the what it's somebody I've known in the railroad world for years, and I actually asked him and he goes, yes, there is an actual group that they They keep it very hush hush, but when you're in it, it's, you know, a very small group, you know. Uh, But yeah, they say that they you know, they find tracks, they've seen things, you know, things being thrown at him, trees being pushed down on

them while they're working tree knocks all the time. Yeah, that's it's kind of it's interesting. So, yeah, Washington State and I there's not much there's not much more sasquatch in the world. There's great areas, but the whole state seems to be one hotbed. Yeah, for sure, I would definitely consider it the mecca for Sasquatch, for sure, definitely, definitely.

I actually used to know a guy that worked for the railway system as a train engineer, and I had asked him about bigfoot, and he had never seen anything or anything like that, but he had heard a few stories from other train operators and stuff about bigfoot sidings. And you hear a lot of

sidings around railways and railroad tracks and stuff like that. I'm fairly convinced they definitely use them, not only as a means of travel, path of least resistance type situations, rightes, Yeah, but also you know, for the advantageous food, right the animals getting hit by trains and trash comes off trains. There's always you know, litter around train tracks, and uh yeah, I think they definitely definitely hang around railroads. I agree, I agree.

Yeah, well others. I mean, there was one friend that was saying that he was sitting in a passing track waiting for another train to come by, and he just had to look over to his bright and once on a cliff, and this thing walked out of the out of the woods and was kind of looking at them like you know, curiosity. Look. Yeah,

he said it was about seven seven and a half feet tall. It was huge, as he said, came out, looked at it, stood there for about a couple three four minutes, which you know, I mean, you know, thirty seconds in the woods is a long time. I can't imagine how, you know. Yeah, and and and he said, it sat there, stood there, you know, didn't make a move, didn't do anything. And then just he looked away, looked back, and the thing was gone after a couple of minutes. So so I don't know if

they were you know, obviously they're not. I'm sure that just curiosity talking about the one you saw. You were talking about just how massive it was. Any estimation on size, you know, compared to the snowplower or anything. Well, I went back a couple of days later. Unfortunately, you know, snow it melted a little bit. We had a rainfall I think after that, so there were tracks, but it was really diminished and you couldn't really see it too much. We uh. I brought a friend with

me, who had no clue what I was doing. At that time. I was still hesitant to coming out with my story. And I measured the trees and the trees over the snow was I think a little over six feet and I know this thing was head and shoulders over those trees, so I'm thinking at least seven seven and a half feet tall at the most, or you know, roughly. Yeah. And and for signs, oh man, this thing had to be oh gee, five hundred pounds at least man just

stacked. Yeah, and I'm sure like four hundred if it was muscle. You know, you hear you hear these stories of them, you know, coming down and just grabbing deer and just walking away with them, or you know, throwing an elk or a moose over their shoulders and away they go. I after looking at it, I don't doubt it. If you wants my moose, he could have it. Have a good one, you know. Yeah, where you were at at the time of your sighting, was that like a normal route for you to go on? Yes? Yes.

In fact, I grew up not far from there, like maybe two or three miles from that location, so I had spent I don't know about eleven years of my life in that area that chain trestle. There's a little stream called Skinny Crickets runs through there. I used to fish that as a kid when I was when I was younger. All the way through it, like those hills. I've hunted those hills, so it's not like I you know, it knows I'm there, you know. Yeah, is that roadway?

Does it get much traffic or anything? It's a major highway. It's highway too that runs from Seattle all the way. In fact, I think Highway two runs all the way to across the country through Montana. I know that that's as far as I've gone. So yeah, it's it's a major road. So let me ask you about this because this is something that I think about, you know, fairly, fairly often as my mind wonders on the mysteries of Bigfoot. I mean, one thing that stands out immediately is you

were at an s turn. Ye countless roadside sidings, road crossing sidings happen at curves and roads or low areas between two hills where you know, the siding happens very quickly. But it also seems like it might possibly be a situation where the vehicle surprised the bigfoot, right, But I mean, these things have to be totally aware of their surroundings at all times. Do you think that was the case with you? Do you think you actually got the

drop on it or is it just used to not being seen. Do you think the roadway itself plays a part in that in anyway, you know, like I said, it flinched, So I think it was kind of like, oh gosh, I got caught. But if I just sit here motionless, they won't see me. And I almost get the feeling, you know. And I think about this at times, you know, I mean I think about it often, actually, that it sat there motionless, and I don't think it's probably the first time that it's been there doing that and got

caught by cars. Now, luckily I had that light over the over the cab that illuminated a lot, and if you know, if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have I wouldn't even known it was even there. Yeah, and if I had my normal personal vehicle, now, those lights aren't even weren't even close to being bright enough to to to illuminate through those trees and get to what what, you know, what I was looking at. So I think it's probably done it before, or you know, walked along

the road. Maybe you know it's been there at one time, you know, I just don't I didn't. I don't get the sense that it was its first time. Yeah, you know, we think that these things are extremely intelligent. I mean I talk about that a lot. I think most people underestimate their intelligence. But then you have these sightings where one runs out across the road in front of a vehicle and I'm just like, why didn't

it just wait and hide until the vehicle had passed? You know? Yeah, I think about that too, you know, wondering if it's like a like a juvenile or something that that freaks out. In this case, it really sounds like that side light just really surprised it, you know, because it's not supposed to be there and it got caught in the light, right or knowing that you know that it's been there before, and it's just gonna wait until okay they're gone and then continue on whatever it was doing. So

yeah, I get that feeling. A lot. I think about that because otherwise we probably would have acted a little differently. But what do I know. I'm just a mere humans. Yeah. I mean you said that you had heard of other encounters and stuff in that general location before. Yes, I have. I have. There's a logging road, there's an old logging road just beyond that that trestle. I mean, it's not even like a

quarter mile from that. And I know that certain loggers on that hill and that valley have have said a few things that they they say it was screams from like a cougar or or whatever else. But you know, I've heard I've heard the chirps from cougars. I've heard the the the yelling of of I don't know if you ever, if you realize or most of your listeners will realize that that cougars have a really distinct sound. It sounds like a woman being mutilated. Basically, Yeah, it is freaky when you hear in

the wood, it is freaky. But I know that sasquatch have kind of a sound like that as well, but it's a little different tone, I guess, or note, you know, you want to talk about musical notes.

So I don't know if if they heard that or not, or if it was you know, those loggers actually you know, if that's what they were hearing, so right, you know, you know, if you don't believe in sasquatch, the first thing you're going to do is trying to rationalize that particular sound or whatever, and you know, I mean even Sasquatch people do it too. Do you think your parents, you know, you talked

about them like how you felt like you had been lied to. Do you think they were aware of these things or do you think they were just, Oh, that's actually not real. So of course these people are making up stories or didn't really see one. Never really got to talk to my dad about it. He passed away in twenty twelve, a couple years prior. But I have talked to my mom about She's she's still among the living today, and she's kind of she believes that there's something out there. She doesn't

know what it is, and she goes because of the footprints. Okay, once you explain those footprints, then I'll believe or disbelief. She's definitely a you know, believer on site kind of person. Yeah yeah, what can you show me? Yeah yeah, And to be honest with you, up till that moment, I was kind of the same way. It's like, you know, I hunt fish, you know, and I wander the woods all the time. I go hiking them as much as I can because I

love the outdoors. And you know, for what forty for forty years I never saw a thing, and that just doesn't know, that doesn't compute with me. So I was kind of being a disbeliever as well, until until I saw it, of course, and then it just exploded from there. I was just going to say, like, growing up there, you know, hearing stories, it's part of the culture there. As you got older, was it ever like on your mind while you were out there hunting or

anything, just even the possibility that something might be out there. No, not really, It was never really crossed my mind too much. I just kind of wrote it off as folklore and and just kind of something to keep kids at home kind of thing, you know, or around the house. I never really, no, I didn't really think about it. Now I

think about it. I mean even now I think about it. You know, I'm I'm driving along the hat, you know, around town, and I'm like, I wonder if they could cloak themselves and be in the middle downtown. See, you know, Yeah, here in Oklahoma, we definitely didn't. I mean, bigfoot was not something that I ever heard about in Oklahoma until I started actually looking into it. I had never heard of a siding or anything like that. But then, like you, I was one

of those people that experienced bigfoot hindsight. Where after I had my encounter and realized, oh crap, these things are real, then I started thinking back to different instances of things I had experienced as a kid, And like you, I was one of those kids that grew up in a generation where you know, son came up. I was out the door and in the woods for the day by myself, you know, with a machete and or a little hatchet and a bb gun, and nobody worried about me until it was

dinner time. So were right, right, What a great way to grow up? Yeah, you know, and I did have you know, during those times, I did have one experience while I was out there that definitely came to mind later on in life where there was something big that went crashing through the brush that I never saw and terrified me, froze me in my footsteps. And that was the last time I went that far into the woods by myself. But it wouldn't you know, it wasn't you know, bigfoot

just wasn't on my radar back then. It wasn't even a possibility, which is a blessing. You. I was a little kid, like you, don't want to think you're out there with bigfoot, for sure. But it was kind of interesting because later on in life, after I started investigating the phenomenon and everything, there was actually some sightings nearby that area, and I took a trip out there, not expecting to find anything, and we found a footprint maybe a mile away from where that had happened to me as a

kid. So, you know, it's just kind of mind blowing how widespread these things are whenever you start to actually pay attention and look for them. You know. One of the one of the things that really blew my mind was when I first started looking into it, and probably the first day was I didn't realize that every state in the Union has had a sighting of some sort of sasquatch in it. Obviously, some have a heck of a lot

more than others. Down to Tennessee and you know, along the Appalachian Trail, and and you know, out in the swamps in the backwoods of Oklahoma, which I like parts of Oklahoma. I always thought I was just scrubbling, you know. Yeah, you have to visit, well, you know, my only visit at one time was Fort Sill, Oklahoma, when I was in the military and that was not a very pleasant you know, Oklahoma.

But there's sightings all over the place, and I always thought of just the Northwest thing, you know, you know, the the weird guys trying to keep you know, the scooby doo people trying to keep people away from there, you know there. Let's see, how can I say this appropriately? Their harved There were a lot of them in the seventies and eighties, and I'm sure some of that took place. I'm sure there was some shenanigans every now and then. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm one hundred percent. I'm

ninety nine percent sure that we saw some of those. So have you gone on like any investigations or anything. I've only done my own recreations. I've I've done quite a bit with friends. Since coming back from Pennsylvania to Washington State again, I purposely moved. I'm like a mile from the Olympic National Park because I know that this is a hotbed with with with Sasquatch as well.

I'd love to get at least have an interviewer, at least sit down and talk to some of the you know, like the Olympic so I know they have expeditions that are here all the time. They I mean from where I'm from, where I'm actually located. I've heard on other podcasts that there's a guy about a mile and a half away had something knock on his door, you know, inside of his house. Somebody was talking over the hill.

Here there's a he had a research site there. I just started one down the road from where he had just started it like last weekend, so it'll be a little while until i can cultivate some data from it. But yeah, I'm really and being here. I Oddly enough, I've actually had eyeshine out of my window at about twenty twenty five feet away, and I've had it once in November, once in January, and I'm about very about fifty percent sure that I had it two weeks ago and two different ones.

One was a was a bright blue eyeshine, which the best thing I can describe it, it's like the highlight or the hype eam indicator and your dashboard your vehicle that blue. And then the other one was red, more commonly red. And I think I had another one, but I'm not one hundred percent sure. The first one was really weird because well it was that blue. So I was sitting here watching TV and my TV is elevated up above

the I've got two sliding glass doors underneath it. And I'm sitting there watching and all of a sudden, these two blue eyes just start shining at me. And I didn't think anything of it, thinking it was a reflection, and then it kind of moved a little and that's when it caropt my eye, you know, it kind of kind of cocked his head a little bit, and that's when I knew that it wasn't And there was no way.

I was looking at the angle too. It's like, you know, from where I'm sitting in the lights and where it's at, there's no way that's a reflection of something on that wall over there, because I don't have any lights on that wall. And I got up and it left. The next time I saw red lights or red shine, and that was real quick too, And that was kind of funny because I got to see it actually move away, meaning that it pulled away and walked away, so you got to

see the eyes, you know, just kind of leave. And was that at the same place, the same window, same same basic area, And there's a there's a and it's funny too be I have a neighbor that's about twenty feet away, twenty twenty five feet away, well maybe a little farther than that, but not by much. And they have never heard anything, seen anything. But I don't know if they know what to look for, or if they even care to look for it. So it's fine with me.

But it's it's kind of a you go out about twenty feet and then it just dives. It's a it's a it's a steep incline down to the to the main road of this area. And if you follow that down about another three hundred feet or so, there's a stream that comes up from the higher mountains that goes into the lake that I'm right by, and I think they follow that stream down, come up and it's all shaded except for the winter time. It's not obviously because the leaves are gone, and they can

stand there. I can sit there and nobody will ever see me. Yeah, it's a perfect spot. So they've already they've already, they've already scoped me out. You know, they must say, oh, hey, energy in the area, let's go take a look. I'm not sure if it's me or what but like me, I'm trying to remember when this wasn't last weekend. Before I went to bed, I got up, turn off the lights, turn off the TV. It was about ten, ten thirty at night, and I was heading down the hallway to go to bed, and

I just got to like, just fear this, this overwhelming fear. I've never felt that before, especially in my own home. You know. Yeah, I don't know how many how often I get looked at or watched. Somebody was telling me that I need to put up a game career, you know, the game camera up there. But I don't know. I don't know if I want to do. I don't want to scare them away.

I mean in your situation, you know, as long as it's like a safe situation and you're interested in him, I don't know how you had won get rid of them, as long as they were behaving exactly, you know. And that brings on another thought that I've been that I've been formulating, is is why is there evil ones and good ones? You know, there's stories, I mean there there's there's I mean, they're that one guy up in British Columbia back in the nineteen fifteen or whatever, that was kidnapped and

you know, taken up to their whatever. You know, there's that story. I kind of okay, you know, but there's other stories too, Like there's a there's a hunter up in central Washington that was sleeping in a sleeping bag and had a you know, his gun under you know, in the sleeping bag, and something straddled him and just basically kicked the crap out

of him. Oh wow, Literally he woke up, you know, well obviously was it woke, but it was like it was a two hour and he was just boom, you know, something just you know how big brothers go little brothers and just slapping them back and forth. And then once day broke, he it left. He got up, wandered or wandered or hyped down to his truck, went to the emergency room. He had broken ribs, he had a separated shoulder. I'm not sure if that's you know,

because he had a gun. But there's seems to be evil ones too and good ones. There's a story up by Mount Baker where this guy he twists an ankle, and he twisted his ankle really bad. He was seven miles from his truck and as he was sitting there, his sasquatch came out of the wood woods, appeared to him, came up, and another one came

up alongside. They picked him up and carried him all the way down to the trailhead, set him down, and then just kind of sat off in the in the bushes a little, but make sure he was safe until somebody showed up for him. There's good and bad stories. Whether they're believable, I don't know, but there's enough of them to where it's like my mom, there's enough tracks out there to make it believable. There's got to be some truth to it, especially with people who've never met each other before,

having you know, the same basic experiences as this person did. That's the thing, you know, whenever I first started getting involved in this, I was, you know, what people consider a researcher, field investigator, whatever you want to call it. And you know, I was fortunate enough to hook up with some really good people who had been doing this for a long time that weren't really interested in being big names in the bigfoot world. You

know, we're speaking at conferences. Not that there's any thing wrong with that, but they just weren't interested in that stuff. Right, and they some of them knew a lot of people in Oklahoma and a Native American community, and these people, I mean, I was hearing stories all the time, you know, firsthand, secondhand, where people were encountering these things and having all kinds of just mind blowing encounters. And like you're saying, some were

good, some were bad. But these people, this was before all the Facebook groups and pages and all the podcasts and the YouTube channels. These people weren't on the Internet. They weren't picking up stories from other places. They were they were saying, this is what's going on. And after you hear enough of them and start meeting some of the people telling you these things, you don't have any choice. But there has to be truth in it. There has to be now, there has to be something in it. Yeah.

The Alaska First Natives up up in Alaska where they think of the theory of Ni kushna Khah that they say that it cheap shifts. I heard one of the medicine man chief do Dad, you know, one of the higher ups in the in the in the leader. I think it was the one off of outside of Kitchikan, to be honest with you, but he was saying that the Kushna Khah takes the shape of a bigfoot. That blew my

mind. That blew my mind. I press pause on the on the on the podcast or whatever it was, I think it was YouTube channel at the time, and uh I just sat there. I was like, Wow, now that tooks a totally different wrinkle. Yeah. So yeah, that blew my that that was recent. That that that that's the last or latest thing that blew my mind. I'm still grasping that one. I mean, do you think, you know, talking about how some are good some are evil?

Do you think it's just like humans, how there's just like some people that are just bad people and then there's some people that are good people. Well, yeah, and another friend that that I know who's a researcher, he was telling me that, you know that basically just almost forbade In. What you said is that you know, there are some bad ones out there and they think that the energy, you know, the plan can feed on

energy. I mean it's I mean, I can't prove it, of course I don't have a meter or an energy meter or whatever, but I mean it seems very logical that they are based on interviews and just you know, the the reports out there from people that they can actually feed off of our energy. You know, if you're having a good time at a campfire, not looking for sasquatch, but actually enjoying each other's company, who you know, the people are on the fire wherever, they tend to get more encounters

with sasquats then people that are actually trying to locate them. You know, it's almost like the sasquats, no, oh, you're trying to find us. Well, let's play a little hide and seek, you know. Yeah. Yeah, based on that, if they can actually sense energy from each other, and the clan feels that one of them is just not matching their energy once, you think that they would kick them out too. Now you have a rogue, you know, sasquatch that's running around in the woods.

Who knows, maybe one bad day, maybe you got in a fight, maybe you know, got an argument with it with the missus, you know, or whatever. It wouldn't surprise I mean, bears do it. Every other animal in the world has has bad days regardless, So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me that one of them, you know, there might be one or two out there with their with their wiring, just not one hundred percent

like it should be. Yeah, I mean I totally agree being able to you know, whether it's feeding off energy or just you know, base basing their own behavior off of it, even you know it cos to survival. I think that's a big explanation as to why oftentimes you hear about encounters with hunters where it seems to be a more aggressive encounter, whether you know, the bigfoot puts on a display of aggression or runs them out of the woods

or you know, throws rocks, whatever. Because whenever you're out there hunting, even if you're not trying to shoot the bigfoot, you're still in hunter mode. You know, you're still putting off that energy of a predator out in the woods, and maybe that leads to some of the more aggressive encounters. Whereas where you're talking about you know, people just out camping, having

a good time, not hunting and not thinking about anything like that. The bigfoot see that is a safer situation and just come in and kind of like chill and observe and you know, maybe mess with them a little bit. Yeah, I I never thought about the hunter situation, but yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean I always thought that, yeah, there's more, there's more sightings during the full time, because there's actually more people in the in the woods, in the excuse me, in the not so common areas

of the woods to be able to get sightings. But never thought about the idea that your your mind frame going out there is totally different than just going out there to be alone. A couple of things come to mind just off the top of my head, and like, of course I can't prove either one of these, you know stories, A lot of people will actually remember this one. It wasn't that long ago. I don't know if I should have said that, because it may have been ten years, but you know

how it gets whenever you get older. But there was a little boy, I believe in North Carolina that went missing for a while. He was gone for a few days, and then they just you know, huge search effort, you know, combing the woods, hundreds of people, all these different agencies, you know, using flear and tracking dogs and helicopters and everything else trying to find this little boy. Eventually, you know, after I believe it was a couple of days went by. Now it's become sort of a

recovery mission. You know, there's no way he could have survived. And then they just found him, like just standing out in the woods, and he said that a bear had taken care of him. Right. You know, there's another story in Montana that that happened too, almost verbatim, almost the same age. I think he was like six years old, and you know, well, what is a six year old gonna think a bigfoot looks like? You know, it doesn't know what a bigfoot is, so right,

right, saying that it was a bear. But then on the other end of the spectrum, there was a story about a guy who had gone out to an area to side in his hunting rifle and it was kind of off on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere wooded area. There's like a big embankment, basically kind of a scooped outside of the hill. They're pretty common shooting areas where I'm at, but I don't know

if everybody has him like this. But anyways, the guy didn't come home and they went looking for him, and they found his vehicle and the guy was dead inside the cab of his pickup truck. I can't remember if his rifle was missing or if they found it. It seems like they found the rifle, but it was all busted up, like something had like beaten it on a boulder or something. It was all torn up, and his body was practically folded in half and kind of like shoved down under the steering wheel.

And there was supposedly large barefoot footprints all around the vehicle, and they followed the footprints up this trail that kind of like went up on top of the ridge or whatever where you sight in the rifles, and eventually they lost, you know, the footprints, but there was I think some blood up there and some shell ca scenes where it appeared like the guy had gone up there and shot at something and maybe hit one. Oh and so that story

sounds really unbelievable. I get it. This story came from someone who was involved in the actual police investigation at the time. Wow, so insider information. Yeah, yeah, So it's like, Okay, the general idea was that maybe he saw one while he was out there or something, there was some sort of altercation, he shot at one, and that was the end result where a little kid gets lost in the woods and they help him back safety and keep them alive. Okay, So it's you know, I mean,

are they our friends? Are they not? You know what makes you know? What makes some friends? And so how can we tell the difference? Yeah? I mean because in podcasting, you know, especially like you self admittedly listen to podcasts. I'm a podcaster, you know. I there's

a lot of scary stories out there. There's a lot of violent stories out there, and I talk to a lot of people that are afraid of these things oftentimes, but if they wanted to, nobody would be telling any of these stories, you know, exactly, As far as I understand, there's never been a bigfoot or disappear not yet, huh, as long as people have been going out in the woods, going into their territory and messing with them, trying to eliciting nobody, So I think usually people are safe.

You know. That brings on another another thing that I've been kind of pondering for the last month, month and a half, two well year, year and a half two years, is I watch a lot of David Pilotti's I don't know if you ever listened to his Uh can I'm missing for when one stuff right? Some of his missing stories, I just can't with all the people and all the the circumstances around it. I can't help but feel and this is just me, don't know. I'm sure somebody out there will be

like, hey, just you know whatever, we'll take it wrong. But here we go that it's really hard for me to sit here and think about that Sasquatch is not involved at least somewhat or knows what where these people actually go. And here's my case. There's a story that he did on a missing berry picker in Goose Creek. It's it's at by Leavenworth, Washington. It's actually not far from my sighting, and it's over the mountain, a

couple of mountain ranges. But I mean, if a bear can go fifty miles in a day for food, I'm you know, it's it's not far. This lady went berry picking. There's a lot of huckleberries up there, great huckleberries. And nothing was found, absolutely zero, not a hat, not her bag, not her you know, nothing except for a car. Of course, they did the Sheriff's department did a search around there, and they never they couldn't find anything. So after the first day of search they

left. When they came back the next morning to continue this search, there was a large x in the trees where the commander was parked. So I sit there and I say, you know that there's no way that you know, whether you know it was his patch, one of those brogue sasquatches we were talking about earlier. It leads me to believe that there's something you know that there there's you know, there's obviously I'm not smart enough or or in the know, or or funded well enough to be able to go out there

and figure out that is you know, these answers. But it's really, really, really hard for me to say that in some of these missing people, now, whether they're they're they're I mean, I don't know if they're grabbing them and taking away, or if they see the sasquatch break out, start running and fall into a cliff or you know, fall into a ravine or or whatever, and then you know, sasquatch takes him. And I don't know if you've you've I talked to another And here's another story that kind

of goes with this. There's a guy, uh, there's a community up and up in the where I grew up that this guy had chickens. And I was told by a researcher. And then I went and actually talked to the guy because you know sometimes stories over time, you know a couple of details of Louve Harrocan, right, And I talked to him and I was like, well, talk to me about that. You know what happened? He goes, Well, he came home one night about eleven o'clock. It

was you know, there was snow. It wasn't snowing, but it was snow, and on the snow bank there were four chickens. Boom boom, boom boom, he goes. What was so funny was they were laid out exactly in the same way and their beaks were pointing in the exactly the same direction. So I went in to go go get my camera. This is what early eighties I think. I went into going to get my camera, came out so I can take a picture, and when I came out,

two of them are missing. But that leads to my point of is that you see things that they have made and they are perfectly done, like the beaks pointing in exactly the same direction. Who's to say that that their attention to detail which blows me away? An animal can actually think of that isn't detail oriented enough to be able to make sure that the scene, you know, all hats all closed, all you know, whatever, is gone.

Some people believe that they that they'll go through an area and they will purposely walk in an area to where they won't leave footprints. That's pretty detail oriented. I mean, that's that's like, that's like reconnaissance of the Marine Corps kind of. Yeah, thank yeah, you know, I mean there's one of the first things that I was told about was the possibility of them using like a branch or something to brush away their tracks. Oh, I've never

heard of that. Yeah. And then out in the field, we first hand found situations where they would change up their pattern, change up their tracks. Say they're walking in one direction and there's tracks there, and then the tracks vanish. Yes, but then if you go off to the left or the right ten fifteen feet away, you find the tracks again, as if they became aware that they were leaving tracks and they jumped off to the side to make the tracks. Also situations where they could have climbed up on a

tree, limb or something overhead or used the rocks. Rocks are a big one. It seems like they'll step on rocks intentionally, so they don't leave tracks. But there's other than humans, There's nothing else out there that are aware of themselves to the point where they understand tracks and that they're leaving tracks and will do things to try and hide that. And who are they hiding it from? Me? Unless it's us? What else would they be hiding

their tracks from. Yeah, I definitely believe that they're responsible for some of the missing persons for sure. Yeah, I tend to believe that too. I just think it's a situation kind of like sometimes grizzly bears kill people, but not all encounters with grizzly bears end in a grizzly bear attack. I

think it's a very similar situation. Not all people that go missing in the woods, it's not all Bigfoot, but it could happen for sure, Right, And then, I mean, if you get attacked by a grizzly bear, there's gonna be marks and scuffle, there's scene of you know whatever.

You know, these people vanish without a trace nothing. It's it's just it's it's really hard for me to think you know something with that much intelligence, you know that much nowhere and and be able to see in the future a little bit like, Oh, somebody's going to be here, so I better, you know, clean up. It's a criminal criminal. I want to wipe my fingerprints down. But I mean, if you go back and you know native lore, a lot of things that kind of sound like a Bigfoot

by description. It's about they kidnap children or they kidnap women. It's always about taking people. So it's not like a new concept even if we're just going back and looking at folklore. And then like you were talking about the Albert Osman story, they snagged him up and you know, hauled him off. Yeah. You know. One last thing that really spooked me out in the woods is is I grew up. I used to go up to this

one lake quite a bit, used to hike into it. Used to be an annual event, usually on my birthday or somewhere around it, and which is mid July. And uh, I walked up to this lake. And when I was up there, I mean I was in flip flop shorts and a T shirt. And uh as I was as I got there on a

fishing pool. Of course, when I got there, the black clouds start popping over the hill just before it so I turned around and started heading back, and you kind of have to go up on the way back, and we have to go up this kind of a little bit of a hill and then you're pretty much it's downhill from then on out, and it's zig ziggs. When I got up the top that I heard a thump in the woods behind me. So I sat there thinking it didn't look it didn't sound huge.

It just sounded like a deer crashing through. Actually it wasn't. It wasn't huge. It was just weird. You know, today I think it was. Well, I'll tell you the rest and i'll tell you what I think it was later. So I started walking and you hear it. You don't hear footsteps, but you hear the cracking, you know, the cracking of the of the bushes and the and the you know, it's just it's like, that's interesting. Now I've been followed. The deer will do this

around here, especially if they're not used to humans. They will they will follow humans once for a while. We I've experienced that many times in the Alpine lakes. So I'm just think it was a deer. Well, halfway through this hike, yeah, there's a there's a power line that goes from uh, I think green you know, uh grand Coolie all the way to

Overhear to Seattle. In the Seattle there it helps or the grid. And I'm sitting there and had a nice little overlook and I'm just kind of playing, you know, just looking, just kind of taking a break before I hit the switchbacks. And right when I start, I look up and there's a six year old kid staring at me right yeh or red shirt, and I'm just looking, going, what the heck? What are you doing out here? You know, first thing I thought I was a sheep shifter,

like go you know, and he started talking. He came up and he started talking like where you were you? And I'm like, uh, never mind me where what are you doing here? He goes, oh, my mom and a few others. Well, we're sitting there talking. Just right then the mom and came up on the trail. He just ran ahead, which to me, I don't think that was very smart, but that's just

me. So we're sitting there conversing and I told him to think, yeah, the you know, the clouds I left early because of the clouds were coming over the hill and blah blah, blah blah, and right when I was about ready to leave, I went, hey, you might want to keep your head up. I didn't want to care there's a there's a deer

or something along the side of you. Guys might get a good sight, and you know, I wanted to keep their heads up so then just in case, they can probably survive, you know whatever, and you know, just keep an eye out. And they're like, okay, thank you. Well, like I said, this thing was a power line. This thing is open. We didn't see anything cross from those trees all the way across the three hundred yards or two hundred yard power line roads through the trees or

to the other side. And wouldn't you know it, every single time I hit the west side of of the switchback, because they went from from west to east to west to east, and they came down this hill. Every time that I got close to the western point, it would move to advantage point to watch me. Huh and I and I got scared. That that was the only time still today that I got scared in the woods. I've

I've come up on cougars, I've I've come up on bears. No, no grizzlies yet, but black bears, which which by the way, are just as dead deadly. Yeah, yeah, they attack people more than grizzly bears do. Yeah. And I and they say, oh, it's because there's you know, seventy five thousand black bears in America. It's like, yeah, I don't know, but that's okay, whatever, I'm not gonna argue with you. And you know, I've come up on him on my own and I've you know, step aside, let him walk through. I've

done, I've you know. But that was the first time that I actually just I because it was watching me, nobody else, not the dug On kids, the easy prey that went up there after me. And when I got to the truck, I sat there and I looked back and I'm like, wow, you know, I was, I got I just left. I went to a sporting good store and for the first time in forty five years in the woods, whatever, I finally I'm now carrying some type of

protection with me other than a walking stick. That's how bad it scared me. It got me. It changed my whole entire outlook. So I got to talking to a couple of my researcher friends, and the first one looked at me, and he goes, wait a minute, you've been hiking up there since you were eight nine somewhere narative. Oh yeah, it's one of my first hights. I was like seven or something like that when I first

went there. He goes, do you think it was a situation where that sasquatch remembered you and wanted to follow you out to make sure that you were all right? And I'm like, no, I think he was trying to kill me. Yeah, he was definitely going to eat me. No, I was bigger and fatter than those people he wanted me. I have more muscle more. But I mean, that's a prime example of how you know a situation can make a turn either direction depending on your perspective of it exact

that. That's a great point. Yeah, that well, I was never more scared in my life. I've never experienced that before. And it was smart enough to know the perfect places to see where I'm at without being without being discovered himself herself. Yeah, maybe it was a female. Who knows, Hey, maybe there's another perspective that could be seen. Yeah, that was I that. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't grow in the woods anymore without some type of of of protection of some sort.

Now that that that that got me. That was the only time I've ever been really scared in the woods. Have you had any paranormal experiences or UFO sidings, Yes, And I haven't really talked about it much because there's been times. There was one time that my I think was my brother, we did an overnight stay up in up in the only in these lights, something was and we were up on a hill and something was flying down down below

us with weird lights. Now it was unidentified. The next morning we saw, uh, it's also a training area for uh uh, there's a wod w'd be uh would be Air Air Base Widbey Island Naval Base or whatever they call it, that they train up in that area as well. And they were they were flying F sixteen's in the almost exactly the same spot the next

day or you know, throughout the week they were doing it. So I have experienced that there's a house in Leavenworth that I don't know if it's still there or not, but it was funny because the ghost that inhabits that house was definitely an arborist or a florist of some sort, because all the plants in the place would would be in the most perfect sunlight all day it'd be

they'd be moved all day long. They'd be moved. That was creepy, like it would move like the plants around, so they were staying in the sun the most optable sunlight for that particular plant. Yes, wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that would That was my first experience with with with paranormal I didn't believe it either until I actually physically saw it. You know. The owner's like, well, watch this puts three plants out. We walked in the other room and she just looked at me and goes, we'll give

it a couple of minutes. Why walk back in there, and the plants were removed, all three of them were. I just said, let's do it again. Did it again, and they were moved again. Can you imagine like the first fifteen or so times that happens, like before you realize what's going on. Like I could have swore that those plants were on the

other side of the room. Yeah, and and and that's what she said when she first moved in like ten years ago, though, that she would, you know, put out the plants and I could have swore it, but that what does she finally figured it out. What was going on? Wow? Yeah, that was that was that it never never never appeared, never showed, never never did anything other than just move the plants the ultimal place for their sunlight or whatever they needed. It's all it cared about.

That's all it cared about. I have seen orb I saw an orbit once, but it was dear a. Uh well, I was pretty drunk, I'll have to admit, so I I can't give it to you. But we were out in the woods, you know, a bunch of us, big bombfire and one of our friends was looking up going it's kind of a kind of a light blue like ball cylinder thing over the top of the trees, and we all looked at it and it took off. But like I said, we were all drinking, so so that that that's that's all that

I've in the paranormal world that I've experienced. You know, there's a lot of people out there that that you know, with the with the balls of you know, the orbs and sasquatch are very very connected, and there's a connection there too. Somehow, some way. There's a lady up in outside of Arlington, Washington that uh, I can't remember where I where I read it from, but she saw UFO come down in an uh you know, white light down to the walk to the ground, and a sasquatch walked out

of the white light. Really yeah, I I I read it like two years ago. I flagged it and then I had to get a new phone, and I was like, you know, I really want to see that. I would have really liked to have to printed that off and put it in my my my files. Yeah, it's but if you do, it's a Arlington, Washington, like you know, Arlington, Virginia. That's pretty

interesting. One of the first uh quote unquote crazy stories I heard in Bigfoot twenty you know, twenty five years ago, was about somebody who supposedly had video, oh night vision video from like I want to say, like one of those Sony handicams that had the night shot on them right right of some sort of UFO type craft. Uh in like a field that opened up and a ball of light came out, and out of that ball of light came

some bigfoot that like ran off into the woods. Now I never saw the video, you know, but but like now you're telling me about a story about Bigfoot coming out of the ball of light. So that's pretty crazy. Yeah, I am, I am. I heard it. I heard it too on another one of my conversations or something. But somebody else brought it up to once and it was like, wow, all right, unprovoked, like I didn't, I didn't ask for it. I just yeah, it came out. I can't remember where I also I heard it. But that's

that's kind of a crazy. That kind of that leads you out to believe that there's you know, kind of goes back to the there's more going on here in the paranormal with with sasquatches now related to it. You know the portals. You know, they say, oh, there's got to be some type of a portal out there. Well, if there's portals, and why doesn't one pop up in middle of Seattle or Oklahoma City or New York? Well, why is it always in the in the woods? I mean,

are they that intelligent to be able to do that? Whenever you start getting into the portal stuff, it's completely out of my wheelhouse. I don't even know. I can't wrap my brain around it. I just can't mind too. It blows my mind as well. It's like it's just above my intellect. I mean, I'm I'm open to the idea of anything. At this point. I don't think anything should be taking off the table because I don't think anybody really knows anything. I think we've got some basic ideas, you

know, based off of observations that people have had firsthand. But outside of that, I don't really think we know anything. So until the day that we do, I'm keeping all doors open. That's pretty much. And it seems like the farther we get into it, the more we realize we don't know anything. I think that's a good place to end it. Stan. I appreciate you coming on man and talking with me and sharing your stories.

Yeah, well I will. I'll stay in touch if something comes up again or whatever, or yeah, yeah, I'd be more happy to tell you about even more my things that are going on. So keep those eyes peeled out that window. Yeah, something transpires there. I will let you know. If you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot, dog Man, aliens, whatever, send me an email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. If

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