I wouldn't be doing this podcast had I not had this experience. I see the vehicle in front of me swerve off the road. There looks to be like a person standing in the middle of the road, and they're kind of like moving in a weird, glitchy, stumbly step. Its movements weren't natural. I get up beside it it I slam on my brakes, and at this point I realized that it's not a person. I never saw the top of it as it was walking by. I don't see any clothing on it
though. I don't see fur, I don't see arms, and I don't see a head. But once I got behind my vehicle, I just chomped on the gas and tug off. Well a little bit down the road, I noticed that the car in front of me had pulled into this parking lot and I pulled up and he rolls down his window. He's like, did you see that? I said, yeah. He's like, I didn't have a head. None of it makes any sense to me. It is literally has bothered me for so long because I have to make it make sense.
It upsets me. And I don't mean that to sound like whiny, like it upsets me and the fact that I I cannot explain this to someone because it doesn't make any sort of sense. This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name's Matt and I am joined by Brandon, the host of the Tenfoil Tells podcast. Not to be confused with the Aluminum Foil Stories podcast, which is an entirely different thing. Brandon, what's up man? Not a whole lot.
There's also the Australian version of ten Foil Tales that people need to be aware of. That deals with the Australian politics of what goes on out there, and that is not related to my show. I didn't realize that that existed when I made my podcast, and I'm honestly not sure who had the name first. If you look online, it shows their stuff came out after mine, So I kind of feel like maybe I'm the first one, but that's just me. I was just on Tenfoil Tels not too long ago, about
twenty minutes ago. As a matter of fact, I guess that episode will come out sometime next year with your current schedule, probably no. I figured we could work something out. I could bump it up if i'd eat too. You're good man, you're good. You just you blew me away whenever you told me how far ahead you are, how many times you record during a week. I mean, geez man, how do you find time? I really don't, and I think it drives everyone in my family crazy because
I almost nightly i'm down here doing something. If it's not recording someone or if I'm not on someone else's show, I'm either down here editing or doing something. I always find time to come down to my little hole in the wall basement just to have my alone time. I guess. I know that's selfish of me in that sense, because I leave my wife to dill or two year old or five year old. It's upstairs, but I have to have my moment of peace, I guess, just to focus on podcasting.
But I enjoy doing it. It's my little outlet. So Tinfoil tells, uh, what's it about? It is very similar to what you got going on here at Bigfoot Crossroads. I interview guests that I've had weird experiences. That's not always cryptied related. There is some other topics we dive into that are conspiracy realms, which kind of falls into the whole Tenfoil name. The
podcast concept. Originally, when I thought of the idea of doing this podcast was during the Beast era of twenty twenty and everyone was kind of not able to go out and do things during that timeframe. So me and my friend were talking about a lot of things going on in the world, and I said, it would be a great idea if we could instead of having these conversations together, if we could just record it, people will listen to it, like, I don't know if anyone ever does stuff like that, because
I was not a podcaster. Lo and behold, I realized that the things that I wanted to talk about are not really something that's not being done. Literally, almost everyone had a podcast these days doing the same type of thing. I was like, well, my original idea went out the window because it's not too original. But I thought of the name up back then when I was trying of good ideas for it, and then I just kind of
sat on it for a while. For anyone listening that doesn't know who I am, which probably everybody, I am not a podcaster in the sense of this is something that was ever my dream or goal to do. It was literally I've always done metal vocals. I am a band Guy, and during that time of twenty twenty, the band kind of went plunk and I didn't
have anything to do, so I started to listen to other podcasts. Well, I was listening for research, because again I knew of Joe Rogan, Like when someone said podcast is, oh Joe Rogan, I mean right, that's all I really knew about it, and it just wasn't anything I was ever interested in. I was just like, why don't want to listen to people talk? I listened to music, I listened to music. Why don't
want to listen to people to talk? And then I started listening to a podcast that was very conspiratorial, which I was like, Oh, I like this, And then I wondered. I was like, I wonder do anything about aliens? So I piped in stuff and the first couple I found were I'm not even going to name drop them because they're stupid, and I didn't like it. And then I came across a pretty well known Bigfoot related show that I won't name either, and that led me to another podcast that led
me to another podcast. And those are about the only three or four podcasts that I kind of listened to, And that's pretty much the the ones i'd still listen to up until the past years, so I don't really listen to
any anymore. But that was the ones that kind of helped me figure out podcasting, but mainly because some of the topics they talked to about related to something that I experienced, and I kind of realized that, you know what, maybe what happened to me that I haven't really talked about because the whole
stigma of seeing something crazy, maybe I'm not crazy. So I took the idea of the same name, the conspiracy thing, and then I just kind of threw it into the umbrella of I want to interview people that have had experiences because maybe selfishly it'll help me cope with what I experienced. And then for the first year of doing the show, I never even talked about what happened to me. Oh wow, I wanted to hear everyone else's stuff.
I don't the show's not about me. I didn't want to make it about me, and I was still very hesitant to talk about it because I'm hesitant to even believe it myself because I'm a skeptic and I've told people from the get go that my show, I'm not here to disprove anybody. It's all about the guest. I'm skeptical on a lot of things, so I'm not going to say you're lying, not going to say you're wrong. I don't always have to believe everything, though, like I always try and rationalize things.
That's just my mentality of how I deal with life. I don't take everything at face value. And that's maybe why I'm a tenfoil hat wear because everything is not true. But that's just how I kind of went about things. And yeah, that was almost This first episode came out, I think September first of twenty twenty two. We recorded it back in the summer of twenty twenty two, and I set on it for a little bit, and then that was a very anyone that eventually may go check out my show the
earlier episodes, if they know who I am. I'm not very fond of the audio quality. Were ones are a lot better. But the first episode, my friend and I were talking about weather control, and then the next person I interviewed was an actual interview, was a dog man encounter, and then the next person was Bigfoot like it just kind of went more into the cryptid realm, and then it went down into the alien abduction realm, and
it went into it's just branched from there. Has it changed since you started it, like your vision of it and sort of content that you look for. Not really. I never said any expectations for the show, and that's mainly because of being in the death metal band. You don't have any expectations. And I just wanted to do it just because it was something for me as an outlet. But I thought maybe it would help me, but I'm also helping someone else, Like giving someone a chance to talk about something that
I felt like I couldn't talk about. I thought would help other people, but also help me by hearing what they were saying. So it kind of reaffirms to myself. But you know what, maybe what you experienced it's okay because you're not the only one. And now that the show's grown to what it's been growing to, which one hundred percent humble and grateful for everyone that's listened, checked it out follows along with it. I never expected it to
be what it is. Like I try not to get hung up on numbers or anything like that, and it's not really the goal, but the more people that find and listen to it, the more I feel like it's helping people, so it kind of helps me feel better, if that makes any sense. Like I said, it's like a selfish thing for myself, I guess because I feel like I'm I want to help people, but it also helps me, So it's like therapeutic. Yeah, a mutually beneficial thing.
We talked a bit about with that on your show. I was just on the same thing with me, which there's nothing wrong with that. You know, as a byproduct, you know you get help as well, then that's great. You're definitely helping others by providing a platform for them to share their experiences and just talk about some stuff that they wouldn't normally be able to talk to anybody about in normal day to day life. At least that's been my
experience. I still haven't gotten my wife to talk about any of the weird stuff with me. What about yours? I know you're a family man, how's your family handle all this? I think they probably think I'm crazy. Yeah, I interviewed someone from a podcast and I'll name drop them, but his podcast is my family thinks I'm crazy. I was like, I resonate with your podcast of name just because I literally think my family thinks I'm crazy too, So there's that. But I've talked to them about my experience or
whatever. And my wife will attest that she has known me for a little over six years now, and she said the other day, in the entire time that she has known me, never once have I ever lied. But she's like, that is just not me, so and it wasn't related to my experience, she said, of all people that she's ever been, I'm like, I'm honest, and sometimes that's my fault because I'm too honest, Like I can be too brutally honest with people because I don't feel the need
to sugarcoat things. Sometimes there's a place and a time that sometimes you need to hear the truth, and that's not the truth isn't always great, so I'm always nice to hear. But that's always been how I am as a
person. So it's hard to really talk about things that I can't prove, right And now I can't prove it to myself, I questioned myself, because I'm like someone I have to know, and I think that is why I'm here right now, is because for seventeen years I've wanted to know because I can write it off as something else, and that's what I've tried to do
for fifteen years. But in the back of my mind, I knew what I'm saying it was is not true, just because it's not any way for it to be true, not in the sense of how I tried to rationalize it. Well, let's crack open the egg man, take me through it. Man, walk me through it. What happened? I used to work third shift at a paper warehousing company. I was their box truck driver.
We had to pull orders. We'd load up the box trucks and we would take them down to the main plant, which was a few miles into town. This warehouse was on the outskirts of town. Basically, we had to pull orders, load a truck, drive a truck down, pull orders, whatever, typical warehousing job. This was our Friday morning. So we go in on a Thursday at like ten o'clock at night, and for Friday we always got to leave a few minutes early. Well, on this instance,
it was pretty sure. It was February ninth, two thousand and seven. People, that's like, you remember the exact date. I mean, yeah, I'm weird like that, But we were pulling orders and our boss comes out and tells us that if we got everything done, we could go home early and she would just ride out on our time cards that we left at our normal six thirty in the morning, because every Friday we'd leave like five
ten minutes early and she would write it out. Anyways, So we hurried up and busted ass and got everything done, got the truck delivered, got back and it's about four in the morning. She said to clean up the place blah blah blah, typical end of the day crap, and we could leave. So it's probably about four thirty when we're getting out of there. So the whole two hours early of leaving and getting paid, who wouldn't want to do that? You know, getting paid for not being at work for
two hours? That's great. Yeah, So as a joke, I've always said everyone wants to get paid for leave work early. As I this is the one time that I wish I'd never left work early, because it literally has put me where I'm at today. And I don't say that as a negative, but it's like I wouldn't be doing this podcast had I've not had this experience, you know what I mean? Yeah, so it's projected me to where I am today. Who would have thought leaving work early would have
impacted you? But basically, we leave work, there's a coworker for I mean, and we go down this county road and it's the first county road from the warehouse. You take a right and you're heading towards the highway. And where we're at it's not super big wooded area or anything like that. Like four H Fairground is right at the corner and then behind all this. At the time, it's still kind of there, but it's not the whole area like it used to be. It was a big deer preserve and it's
only about two to three square miles of a deer preserve. But for the most part, for this area, it's a pretty wooded area because they used to breed deer back there, and they've had some pretty famous people country and music people come out and do hunting there for their bucks called X factor bucks. So if anyone questions the area, they can always look it up online.
It's still there. But back then they used to breed these deers and they had huge racks on It's not really relevant to the story, but this is the area where we're at And as we're leaving, my co worker is in front of me, and he's probably about a thousand feet or so in front of me, And at the time, I honestly didn't even realize it was my coworker. I'd just seen the break lights of his vehicle. It's
a dark outside, it's four thirty in the morning. Well, I see the vehicle in front of me swerve off the road, goes down on the right side of the road into the grass, shoots back up, gets on the road, And the first thing I'm thinking of is, like, the hell is this guy doing? Like is he drunk? As the deer run out in front of him, like, because I'm just driving and I just
see the guy swerve off the road. Back then, we didn't have cell phones like you do today, so he wasn't like scrolling through Facebook or whatever he would be doing. And as we're getting where as I'm getting closer to where he swerved off, that there looks to be like a person standing in the middle of the road, because I see the shape like walking in the road and I'm maybe a thousand feet from us, so my headlights are hitting it, so I can't really see it that closely. But I'm getting closer
because I'm obviously driving towards it, and they keep getting closer. This thing isn't moving out of the way of the road. And as I got within maybe two to three hundred feet, I can actually see like it looks like a person in a big black blanket or a cloak, because I see two legs and a body, but I don't see a head, I don't see any arms, and they're kind of like moving in a weird, glitchy stumbling step. So I thought it was just a drunk person, like wrapped in
a blanket. It's freezing outside, it's winter, Like who the hell would be out here like four thirty in the morning, stumbling around like they'd take a step. It was almost like they were twitching, like I don't,
I don't. This is how I've always just grabbed it. As you know when you see like car dealerships they have the incredible inflatable, wacky armed That's how it was, like movie Like they take a step in their body would just like kind of flail like it's almost like flapping in the wind like a zombie. Not like that. It was almost like it was like I say,
glitching like it. It's movements weren't natural, very strange, otherworldly movement, like I don't know how to describe it other than it didn't look like someone would walk. And I don't know if anyone I just watched this again recently, the movie in the video game Silent Hill, where those nurses, If anyone's similiar with how they moved like strange, yeah, it almost resembled
that. When I just watched the movie a couple of weeks ago, I was like, holy shit, that's kind of similar to the movement, like the little twitch to them or whatever. This thing is in the middle of the road and I had to swerve too, because they're not like this person's the hell over because they're not moving. And I get up beside it and I slam on my brakes basically come to like a creeping stop, and it
walks past my driver's window. And at this point I realized that it's not a person the best of my knowledge, because it's got a very like almost like an old person using a walker, you know, like they lean forward a little bit. It has like a lean to itself, and it walks past my driver's side. I'm pretty sure it actually bumped into the driver's side mirrors it went by. It is how close it was. I never saw the top of it as it was walking by. And I'm in a nineteen
ninety eight forward Explorer. I've looked online and they say they're sixty six inches tall, so that's five and a half feet. If this thing leaning forward, it is taller than five and a half feet, And I can't see the top of it trying to look out the driver's window like my pat like the side out of my window. I'm guessing it had to be at least six and a half feet leaning forward, So if it's straight up with that make about seven feet roughly who knows, yeah, right around there probably,
So it's fairly tall. And I realized that it's also pretty thick, Like the legs are pretty thick on it. I don't know how to describe how thick they were. I could just tell they were not like little twiggy legs or anything like. It was like proportionate size. Forever big this thing was, and it was a really thick body. Now I was walking by the
window. All this is happening within like a few seconds, so it's not like I had like ten minutes of really study was going on because I'm still trying to wrap my head around why frigging person's walking in the middle of the road. I don't see any clothing on it though I don't see fur, I don't see arms, and I don't see ahead. I still just see a big upper body and two legs. I didn't notice feet or shoes, right, I wouldn't pay attention else. I didn't really think about it because
again, this all happens within like a few seconds. If you're driving down the road, someone's walking out in front of you. It gets behind the vehicle and my tail light, so I having my brakesakes I'm sitting there. It illuminates it better, but it's all red obviously, but I can see when it took a step. You can see between its legs and you see its other leg so it wasn't translucent, like it was a solid figure.
But once I got behind my vehicle, I just chomped on the gas and tug off because I'm like, what is this, you know, like getting out of here? So I dug off. Well, a little bit down the road, I noticed that the car in front of me had pulled into this parking lot. It's like a gravel drive into this parking lot. It's
right before you get into the highway. It's the actual dot. I pulled up next thing because I realized it's my coworker and I pulled up and he rolls down his window and I don't know if you use choice language on here, so I won't. But he's like, did you see that? I said yeah, and he's like, I didn't have a head. Obviously there's a lot of explicit if words being thrown out here, right. We're both really confused as what we just saw. He's like, it didn't have a
head. I was like, trust me, I know I didn't see a head. I was like, I want to go back and look. He's like, are you crazy. I'm like, seventeen years later, yes, I'm crazy. I wanted to go back because I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell was walking in the middle of the road to go off first, and he's behind me. We go back. It's only, like I said, maybe quarter mile down the road and there's now this large black thing in the road. But it's not the thing that we saw walking.
This happens to look more like a large black dog or a wolf type thing. It wasn't there when we originally left because it drove past, because I would have ran it over it because the way it's laying, it's part of it's in those one lane and part of it's in the other lane. There's no way that was there when we just drove by. And I pull up to it. The headlight's still shining on it. It's got really black,
puffy fur. I see a tail, but it's just laying there and it looks dead, and it's facing the opposite direction, so it's backust towards us. So I parked the vehicle maybe thirty feet from it, and I started to get out. And at this point my coworkers behind me, and our headlights are still shining on it, but he doesn't get out of his car. He's like, what are you doing. He cracks the window down yells at me. I said, well, clearly, there's a dead dog in
the road. Not thinking at the time, like I'm still trying to why even got out of the vehicle. It makes zero sense to me now, like back then, I didn't think anything about it. But I start to walk up to what I thought was a dead dog, and in my brain I was like, well, this had to have been what was in the
road, because the thing is in the road, is not there. Still trying to figure out though, like what's going on, and I'm maybe fifteen feet away, and the thing lifts its head up off the ground and looks backwards, and its eyes are reflecting the headlights, so it's glowing like that yellowy eyeshine glow. And it lets out a growl and it is not a normal growl, but it's like a very low, rumbly you can almost feel a type of basy growl. And I instantly froze. I'm like, oh
shit, this isn't dead. And I just stare at it for a second. I'm like, uh oh, it's starting to move around, like it's trying to get up. And at this point I hear my coworker yell out, get back in the car, you f an idiot. Well, I'm not moving. I'm just watching this thing. And it does like a little hobble because it's like stumbles a stand up and then it stands directly up,
and by that I mean it stood up on hind legs. I one percent have been very skeptical of upright walking canines or anything like that, because there's nothing in the evolutionary lines that I'm aware of of any type of dog being able to do this. And I've seen dogs hop around on back legs and this and that. This thing did not look anything like that. When it stood up, it looked like it could normally stand up like a person. So what I've tried to write off is, well, maybe it was a
person in a costume. Sorry, I know been in this business for a long time, so it's like, yeah, sure, in a canine costume on a dark and lonely road at four thirty am. I was gonna say it sounds even stupid thinking than like it could be real. But again, this is my brain trying to process what's going on. Like it stands directly of them, looks at me. I'm six foot three and we're about eyed
eye fifteen feet away, headlight shining on. I can see everything. People are saying, oh, you saw a bear, you just saw a black bear. I know what a bear is, I know what a bear looks like. I live in this part of Indiana to where we technically don't have bear here, but we also don't have upright walking canines ether, So there's that, yeah, But we're staring eye to eye for just a few seconds, and he crouches down, like almost in that hunkered down position, like
he's gonna take a dump or something. I don't know. He crouches down and then goes off to the side of the road to where this deer preserve is. Now around this preserve is an eight foot tall fence. It got out of the headlights. I couldn't see where it went, so I don't know if it went over the fence or under the fence, or through the fence, or just completely vanished. But once I got into the darkness,
I couldn't see where it was anymore. So at that point I'm like, I'm going back to my vehicle because I don't know where this thing's going, right. So as I walked back to the vehicle, my coworker had gotten out of car at this point and he was uprightly by my door. We're like, what is going on? Did you see that? And he'd seen it as we're talking. And this is the of all the weird stuff. This next part is one of the strange to me. It's the creepiest one.
To me too. As we're speaking, I look down on the ground and standing in between us, and I do mean standing is a field mouse. He was also on his hind legs. What and he's cleaning himself. It's fur is all wet, and it's wiping its face. But he's standing in between me and my coworker like he's we're having a conversation in the mouse is like, yo, what up? He's having a conversation with us too, like he's it's weird. He's on his hind legs, wiping its face,
just cleaning itself. And I point to this mouth, like you see this, And I take my foot and I nudge it, like I try and push it a little bit, so he moves, and he just keeps cleaning itself. It's oblivious that it doesn't care that I just touched it with my foot. I don't know if any type of random wild mouse that would have come out in the middle of the road alone between two humans, standing
on its hind legs wiping its face. Like I know they can do that, like hamsters can do whatever, but like, why would it be doing that between you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, very strange behavior. Why did it not care that I touched it with my foot. Now I know if mice are dying or poisoned or whatever, their bodies aren't like their minds or whatever. It can be right whatever, So maybe it was dying. I don't know. That's a logical explanation that I've tried to rationalize.
There's something wrong with the mouse. But at this point it's like completely crazy. I don't know where this dog went. I don't know what the hell was walking in the road and ow there's this mouse. So this is like completely insane crap. So tell my core or I'm going home. I'm going home. There's I'm done. He gets in his car. We both turn around. He went in his direction at the highway. I went,
I went across the highway. I went home. The next morning, I woke up and I drew a picture of the black dog that i'd saw, and the description I've always said. It looked, like I said earlier, like a wolf, like a black German shower, like it was all black. It had really puffy fur, like a child dog would. Now, what it didn't have is what the normal depictions of people say they see with
these things. It didn't have any humanoid features. But when it stood up, like its front paws, its front legs or what, everyone say, they didn't stand up, you know how like a dogs have those weird bins when they hop around. I didn't do that. Like it had humanoid shoulders and its arms just hung down to its sides. A dog's body's framework isn't like that, right, That's why I leaned is it a person in a
costume? Because it looked very humanoid, but it was very I didn't see muscle detail or anything about it other than the stance of how it stok because its fur was like a child dogs, very very puffy. And someone asked me if I've seen a tale? Is like I, oh, I remember a tale being on it when it was laying in the road. So yeah, I had a tail. But apparently tales aren't common either, which I
didn't know. But anyways, I drew this picture. I get onto an online forum back then as like Unexplained Mysteries dot org or something, and I go into the cryptid thing. I post up this thing because I'm thinking werewolf, because who wouldn't be thinking werewolf back in those days? Like right, And people said, oh, you saw a Michigan dog man. I'm like, what is a Michigan dog man? I've never heard of that before. So I started looking around for Michigan dog man stuff, and sure enough,
the pictures that people were drawing or whatever. I'm not an artist by any means, but the actual sketches that i'd seen the people had drew, and some of it was very similar looking to what I saw now. Some are over the top, like monstery to werewolf flicking, and it wasn't like that. It literally looked like a normal dog that had the ability to stand up like a human. Nothing about it seemed anything out of the ordinary other than the way it stood up and could walk on two legs Like that is still
strange to me to this day. Like I could write it off saying it was just a dog, but a dog's bodies shouldn't be able to do what it did. It's like, physically is not capable of doing that. Right.
So I got all this information. I went back to work two nights later, because over the weekend, we go back Sunday night and I try and explain what I found to my coworker, and at this point there are several other people who start to lie, and it makes my coworker get pretty upset with me for bringing it up, and he said he doesn't want to talk about it. I need to shut up about it. He doesn't want
people thinking he's crazy. It was just a dog, like, just shut up right basically over by the time clock threatens me and says, if I don't shut up about it, he's going to deny it and just tell people I'm crazy. And he don't want anything to do with it. So for fifteen years I just didn't talk about I said it was just a dog. Like. My rational explanation is it was a dog playing with a mouse.
That's why the mouse was all wet. The dog's trying to eat it traumatized it, and car musta drove by and hit the dog broke its front legs. So when we first were driving down the road, what we saw was a dog flopping around. That's why I looked really weird, does not how to walk on two legs. His front legs are and it's why it's walking
glitchy funny. And we had to turn around and it fell over and we just so happened to be in the same spot where this mouse was and it's all very convenient, very convenient, But that is what I wrote it off is happening because that is the most logical explanation to someone that doesn't believe in anything like this. So I said, you know what, that's what happened.
I'm good with that, but I've never been good with it because when you stop and think about the first thing that i'd saw, first thing he had to swerve a miss. It is a lot bigger size wise than what this dog was. I'm six foot three. The dogs looking eye to I to with me, it couldn't have been what was walking in the road because that thing was a lot thicker than this dog. The size wise was a lot cooler than the dog. So what was walking in the road at first?
I have no explanation for that because to me that I have no idea. I didn't see arms, I didn't see ahead. I just saw black shape the dog. Literally it was a dog that looked like a dog or a wolf or whatever. But I can get behind it being a wolf maybe because wouldn't they be standing up behind legs and be about my high cone o. They're bigger than a normal dog. But even still, I don't know of a wolf having the capabilities of doing that, Like, that's still strange.
And then you have the mouse. And I never thought about this up until last year, even though you think about it in the back of your brain, like you try and ride it off, but you're constantly back there eating at you. Everything that I encountered was on two legs. The thing walking in the road and was walking on two legs. The dog stood up on two legs and walked off on two legs, and know it was crouched, it was still using only its back legs. And the mouse originally was
on two legs when I was cleaning itself. Does that have any sort of connection to each other? Is it all just a coincidence. I don't know. I don't have any explanation for any of that. To me, if someone told him, I'd be like, that's just something like batshit crazy story. To me, it doesn't make any sense. But I know what happened because I was there. I saw, and I wasn't alone, And I wish the person that was there I could have him verify it. But he
went the first shift. He got laid off a while after that, and then I've never spoke to the guy again. We weren't friends or anything like that, So it's just like some guy I worked with. I don't know whatever happened to the guy. I'm sure I could track him down if I wanted to. But if he didn't want to talk about it, then why do you want to talk about it now? Yeah, I was going to ask how you tried to look him up now that you're doing a podcast.
No, I've been debating on him. But my thing is, and again maybe it's selfish reasons. I don't want him getting mad at me, because he's not the type of person you want as an enemy. I've mentioned this in a couple other times, like he wasn't he's not a very credible person in the sense of his past history, and he'd just gotten out of jail not long before that. He'd been in jail for nine months because he got into a bar fight and supposedly took five pops to arrest him and he was
tased twice. That sounds like a BS story, but that is the rumor that we heard at work about who he was, So I don't know if that's true. I never looked up cause I didn't really care. I just knew he was he's the type of call he didn't want to piss off, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, And that's why when he said I need to knock it off, I just was like, Okay, probably have a better chance of not being killed by the dogs, do this,
dude. Recently, I talked about this with somebody else and he said, have you ever thought about the fact that he's like that type of person, how much it impacted him that he was that afraid that he didn't want to talk about it. And if he's that like big of a Brawley type of guy that's not afraid of fighting police, but he doesn't want to talk about this thing. I was like, no, I never even thought about that before. At the time of the incident, did you guys talk anymore
in detail? Like did he say like why he swerved off the road? Was it like in his lane or something or anything like that. He didn't specifically say, he just the only thing that was really said is that you see that And I said, yeah, it wasn't and he said it didn't have an f and head. I was like, yeah, I didn't see a head either, and then like that was the extent of the conversation. Far as like what was there? I didn't ask if I was walking out
there. He was literally just his eyes were like bulked out, trying to figure out what the hell. Well, he just swerved off the road to dismiss the original thing, Like he didn't see any details of other than the fact that it didn't have a head. That's what he was hung up on, Like that was the first thing out of his mouth. Is it didn't have a head, and you didn't see any arms either. No, what
color was? It was solid black? Like it almost looked like a walking and I don't want to say a shadow person, but like it was solid black. I can't think of anything else to describe it as like a walking shadow silhouette like, but it was not transparent like a shadow. You can still see somewhat through a shadow person. Like this was solid because our lights didn't go through it, like the lights went around it, like I'm it left a shadow, I'm pretty sure on the ground. So it had to
been solid whenever you lit it up with the brake lights. Could you tell anything like texture or anything like that? No, I said earlier, there was I didn't see hair, I didn't see clothing. It was still just solid black. So I don't know, it would be so much easier to say it was someone wrapped in a blanket like that. That is the most I wish I could say. It was just a person, a very tall person, drunk stumbling down the road and then they out on their werewolf costume
and growled at me. But again, when you go when you try and rationalize it that you sell even more crazy that way than you do the other way, trying to rationalize in that sense, like who in the hell is going to be out in the middle of the night in a werewolf costume? First of all, if they have a werewolf costume that can growl and have their eyes reflecting at you, then they need to go work for Hollywood to
other than impressive feature for your suit making abilities. And like I said, for fifteen years, I just I wrote it off as literally just being a dog and a mouse, and that's all it was. But you've had experience, you know, you still think about it, you still wonder, and to this day, I'm like, there has to have been something else to that, and it eats at me knowing that I'll probably actually never really know
what it was. I think dogs don't walk on two legs. No, And like you're saying, I was racking my brain trying to think of examples of dogs that would be that tall if they stood on their hind legs. It really narrows the field down quite a bit. The hair that you're talking about like that doesn't really match up with any of the real larger dogs you're looking at, like a Tabesta mast of which it wasn't like the odds of
it being you know, a Tibetan mastiff where you were are astronomical. More likely a werewolf now, but it doesn't have the typical werewolf lore features like I said, didn't have hands or human wage feed or anything like that. So everything about it looks like a normal am I'm going to ask a question. This is a rough one, and I'm only doing it with you because you're a podcaster. Could you see, Jennitelia, No, it may have
had something. I don't know. I didn't look like I'm just saying, you know, like, if it's a dog, Yeah, it's just a regular dog and it's standing up right, you're gonna see it's a dog. Yeah. I don't remember seeing like I said, it was so puffy, fur like and I was more or less just looking at its face because I don't know why, but like it was just the way it was staring at me. I was just expecting to come and rip my faith, you know
what I mean, Like, yeah, I'm watching its mouth. It's not really like showing teeth or anything like that that I remember, Like, it was just staring at me, like we're looking eye to eye each other. And again, this whole thing only happened for like a couple of seconds, two or three seconds, not very long, just enough for her to stand directly up to stare at me to let me know, hey, I can stare at you or I can stand up. It was like almost like I
don't screw with me type, you know what I mean. Yeah, it was just showing me, like, hey, leave me alone. I mean, honestly, just hearing the series of events, the first thing that pops in my head is shape shifter. And that's where someone else's kind of went off with it too. Is it sounds like I encountered something transitioning into our world. Yeah, interdimensional like bleeding into our world, taking shape. And
the first thing was strolling down the roads. It was still trying to get to its form, and then we came back and it just morphed into the dog. And the reason that was leaning in the roads because it was out of power, because it just transitioned into our world and it stood up. And that's where you hung up on ext You don't know if you believe it or not, but they claimed dog men feed on fear. I don't know if I believe in any of that, but that's just some of the things.
It gets tossed around, and I didn't show it any fear. I was like, no, I was more like confused of what that was going on. Like I wasn't afraid of it. It was just like, seriously, what is this? And because I didn't show it fear, it left me alone. And they said it turned into this mouse. Which where the mouse came from? I have no idea, because wow, did get ran over. I mean, we don't know if the mouse is connected or not. But with everything else that happened, I mean, on its own,
that would be weird. Why was the mouse all wet? Why was it cleaning himself? Like? None of that makes sense either, so they think it's all connected. I laugh at this because there's few to I used to go I went on Reddit before I ever like went off on podcasts. I went on Reddit and I last year, last summer or whatever, before I actually started sharing it publicly on a podcast. I had already been doing my
podcast for over a year. I still never told my experience because I don't understand it myself, so I didn't feel like telling other people about it. It's kind of weird that it's how my mind works. And I went on Reddit, though, and I wrote it all out, and someone said, you guys are clearly on drugs. Well, sure, you just left work. Of course you're on drugs. And you know when two people are on drugs, you have the same hallucinations. M h that's because that's how drugs
work. So I was like, uh huh. I was like, I can one hundred percent guarantee you I was not on drugs because I don't do that. And again, if we were, you don't have the same type of hallucinations. I mean, you said that you didn't even know it was your coworker until someone pulled off on the side of the road, right, I just I didn't know it was him, like he apparently left before I did. And I was getting my bigle and just noticed there was headlights down
the road. I didn't know it was him. Got off work early, did a bunch of hallucigens before you hit the road, right, I mean, okay, yeah. Someone else said what you machy said about a shape shifter? I said, yeah, I mean I could possibly be into that if those things exist, I mean interdimensional shape shof for sure. Whatever. At this point, I'm out of guesses. Someone said I saw bear with mange. Was like, at what point did I ever say I didn't have
hair? Like if something has mange usually it's missing fur. This thing was puffy. I literally said in the description, I had a really puffy fur. And I know the difference. If you're fifteen feet away from something, you could tell the differ from a dog and a bear. Can we talk about the bear thing real fast? Go for it because it's one of my
pet peas. I was actually interviewed for a news article years and years and years ago, and the article was about bigfoot, but it had kind of come out because recently at that time a video had gone viral of a bear walking on two legs. I think it had been injured and didn't have any front legs. It was like in New Jersey or something. It got really famous. But they asked me the bear question. You know, miss I didn't fight bears. And my response to that, whenever you're born, you
are seeing bears all the time. Even if you don't live in a place where you see bears, you see them on television, you see them in cartoons. We have teddy bears. There's not a little kid in the world that can't identify a bear by the age of five. Ye, if you see a bear, you recognize a bear. You're like, oh, that's a bear, even if you've never seen a bear in the while before in
your life. So whenever people say, oh, well, it was probably just a bear, there's no way what person couldn't readily identify a bear instantly whenever they see it. M That's all I feel about it too, is I can understand of some darkness and you're almost seeing shadows. This was in my headlights. Yeah, I can totally tell it is not a bear.
Did it walk like a bear walking on two legs? No? And like I said, I didn't actually see it walking upright in that like it stood directly up like a person, but it kneeled back down and like it kind of crouched down when it went off, and it looked like it could have been on all fours, but its front legs or pauls or whatever, they weren't actually touching the ground, like it just kind of had them hunkered up as it went off. That's why I said it had broken front legs.
So the dog would broken front legs, That's why wasn't using them because they were hit by a car. Like I look for every possible explanation to make it not weird, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean sure if by chance it was a very large dog that had been injured, hit by a car or something and had broken front legs, and instead of trying to walk and falling and yelping and all that stuff like an injured dog would do, it figured out, Hey, I can just stand on my hind
legs and walk off. Yeah. I learned to adapt very quickly. Right, let's say all of that is true. That doesn't explain what the hell you saw to begin with. No, And that's where I always come back to of writing everything off, is I still can't explain what the first thing was. It didn't have a head or arms, so it's none of it makes any sense to me, and it is literally has bothered me for so long because I want to. I am the type of person I have to
make it make sense otherwise it upsets me. And I don't mean that the sound like whiny like it upsets me. And the fact that I cannot explain this to someone without them thinking that he's either crazy or a raving lunatic onre you know what I mean, Like you get there because it doesn't make any sort of sense and it bothers me that you can't talk about it. I
literally didn't speak about it even right before I started the podcast. It was the same year as the winter of like from twenty twenty one into twenty twenty two. Is that winter. I was working on a survey crew and one of the guys that I worked with had mentioned something like I think he was stationed in Alaska at some point or whatever. And I mentioned to him about,
did you ever see anything weird when he was up there? Because I'm thinking, like Bigfoot, he's been Alaska and He's like, no, why, And for whatever reason, I was compelled to tell him about what happened to me, and then we set the rest of the lunch in his truck in awkward silence because I'm like, oh, this dude's gonna get me fired. They got a freaking lunatic now because I told him I've seen what I saw, He's like, oh great, I'm with a crazy guy. But
I never heard anything else about any of that. But I felt better talking about it, and that's what it really transitioned to me into being more forward, wanting to do the podcast because it made me feel better to talk about us. So I was like, maybe if I hear other people talking about it, it'll make me feel better, might help people feel better because they felt like me because they couldn't talk about it. And that's where, like
I said, I started that summer. Where I'm at now is like I do it selfishly just because my intent was to make myself feel better but also help other people. So it's like mutual benefits for both. But in the long run, it's basically me trying to find answers to something that I probably won't find out. Have you ever talked to anybody that's had a similar experience. I've talked with people that have had dogmen experiences and stuff like that,
but nothing has ever been similar to mine. I've never spoken with anyone that's had anything like three different instances boom boom boom within a five minute span. The mouse thing can be completely unrelated. Sure, it could just been a poisoned mouse that just come out and to come strolling up in between like that. It's still strange, and that happened recently in my driveway. But we have rodent poison out in my garage, so it's right by my garage.
I can understand why there's a mouse that I could scoop up and toss him across the road, because he'd clearly ate some of that stuff. So I could write off the mouse in that sense, But why was he wed and why was he right in the same area as all this going on? Like that's still a coincidence, and I'm not one that believes in the coincidences very
easily, so I don't. Like I said, it's kind of at a loss at this point, because as much as I would like to say it was just a dog and a mouse, I know it wasn't, just because of the thing that was in the front those walking originally, and I have no clue what that would have been. I did hear that we were abducted by aliens, and those were the implant memories of the aliens gave us. If we were getting abducted by aliens, why wouldn't they have just not given
us something strange like that. They've just been like, oh, you just kept driving, Like why would they have given me the most questionable memory ever? I grew up hearing stories about different Native American folklore. If that's what you want to call it. It's not the right word at all, but you know, people, certain individuals having the ability to shape shift into other creatures. Mm and uh, I mean like, yeah, that was the
first thing that popped in my head. And I know that the dog man community does not like shape shifting, and you know, because then you go down the werewolf route and they don't like that. But especially like the wet mouse at the end, I mean, you know, you hear stories that there's people that can do that. I don't know if it's true or not.
I don't want to find out if it's true personally, but yeah, that's still just where I go. As I think more and more about your story, When people ask me if I ever wanted to see it again, I said I hope I see it again. I hope it walks out on the road, because I'm gonna run that MF or over. I'm not stopping, I'm not swerving. I'm all splattering, and I won't have my proof. I'm unknown to myself what it was coming home with me. I don't care if it offends people that I say that, because I know, oh,
you can't kill things, and we're no body thinking. I don't care at this point, Like if it's the last of his kind, I'm sorry, I just wipe out the entire whatever it was species. Don't walk out in front of me. That's all I'm saying. So what else is going on? You kind of told me a little bit. I told you not to tell me anything until we recorded, But you've piqued my interest. That wasn't the only strange event that you've experienced. This is not related to that,
I don't think. But I've got about I've got about thirty minutes before i go pick up my kids, so I'm gonna hurry up and blow through this for you. We moved into this house in twenty twenty, and I again, I'm a skeptic, so I don't want to say anything is supernatural, paranormal, whatever, but when you hear all the events that go on, you come and just scratch your head and be like, hmm. We
moved into October of twenty twenty and I'm painting the kitchen. At the time, we had a little miniature Schnauzer and obviously my other dogs, but I'm just a minature snouder. He would growl at anything, like if a leaf blue, he'd be growling and bargaining at it. He was like fourteen, so he didn't live much longer once we moved in here. But he starts growling as I'm painting in the kitchen. I'm the only one home and he's
growling, so I don't think anything of it because he's always growling. And then I hear the floorboard creek in the living room going that only happens when you step on a specific spot in the floor. So I instantly go look in the living room. There's no one there, but he's growling looking at it, so I said, knock it off, go back to painting my hair on my arms. Kind of like rose up a little bit because it
kind of creeped me out, but I just was like whatever. Just went about my business because I don't really buy into all that type of stuff too much. A couple of weeks go by, we finally moved in, and the house has built in nineteen seventy eight, so it's not a super old place, and no one has ever passed away to the best of my knowledge, because the folks had the place before said that they bought it in nineteen ninety five. I think only one other person, one or two other people
had it before they did. But when we bought the place, the old lady told us that the doors have built ten crosses on them and if you look at them, they kind of do the way it's framed up. And I was like, okay, cool whatever. They had Jesus pictures and all sorts of stuff on the walls. They were obviously Christian type people. I'm
not religious, so that doesn't really matter to me. But anyways, we're laying in bed and they have on the windows the old pulldown blinds and the type of roll up you know what I'm talking about, I get pulled down. My wife and I were laying in bed. My daughter at the time she is she's born in February. This was in October or November, so she's not two yet, she's probably like twenty months old roughly. Anyways, we have a baby monitor. It's one with a video and audio. She's
in the room right next to us. So we're laying in bed and the blind by her bed just rolls up by itself scares the crap out of us. We laughed because clearly we didn't pull it down enough. I'm not saying that's paranormal or or anything like. It can happen. It can happen, yeah, But what happens a couple of minutes later, Again, I'm not gonna say paranormal, because it can happen too. But through the baby monitor,
we hear a man voice that says mine, nope, Nope. So we ran to her room, grabbed our daughter, and brought her into our bedroom and she slept with us that night, stayed in our room, and she pretty much stayed in our room for the next seven or eight months because what happened a few days later. My wife was changing our daughter's clothes and she happens to notice three very large scratches down her back. Oh man, the number three is significant in the sense if you look into yeah, things
because it is mocking of the Holy Trinity. Three is a sacred number to them to mock right, three scratches comes up kind of often and demonic yes activities. So I went through this entire house, every corner, every room, and I threatened whatever was in here. I will not say what I said to it, but I basically told it, if it's going to come after something, it's going to come after me, and it needs to grow up because I'm not one to f with U. You leave my children alone.
And I said it's not welcome and it's not allowed to be here. So I felt like I did something right because we didn't have any more problems. So I thought our daughter, she's Most parents bragged on their kids, but I've always thought my daughter was really high intelligence for a little kid, Like she could talk at an early age, very very like conversationalise. I have a son who's younger and he's going to be three. He just now
started to talk, but my daughter could talk well before that. She started having an imaginary friend, and those creep me out in general, like you've had kids or whatever, like I don't know if your kids had imaginary friends. But I was like I don't like that. Nope. But my wife's like, well, it's normal, okay, whatever you say. Well, her imaginary friend is named Chloe. That's kind of a specific name. Yeah, And my wife said, well, that's Bluie's best friend on that cartoon
show. So it's like, oh, okay, it makes sense whatever, because she really liked Blue at the time. This is probably about a year later, so she's not quite three yet, and she is always talking about Chloe this and that. She mentions sometimes that, well, Chloe sleeps in the floor. Why is Chloe in the floor? Well, i'st where she sleeps, Like, oh, because it must be a dog or whatever. And I said, what is Chloe anyway? Like, what does she look
like? I don't remember specifically if she said she's blue or purple. I thought she said purple. I'm like, oh, okay, Louie's blue whatever dog. I said, Oh, why is she purple? Because she's a ghost? I said, what hum? She said she's dead. She's not even three yet or just at three. Why would she know that? You know what I mean? Yeah, Like this is some weird stuff for a child to be seen. I'm like, uh uh, Chloe is not welcome. Here anymore. We don't want Chloe here. You're not allowed to talk
to Chloe. Chloe has to leave. So she kind of stopped talking about Chloe. Like that was the end of Chloe this. Like I said, I think she was about three at the time. I could have my time frames wrong, but it was right before I started the podcast. And I started doing the podcast, and I'd only been doing it for a couple of weeks and someone don't know who they were, just a random person on the internet told me they really worry about me and my family. I said,
what do you mean. They said, when you start looking into these things, sometimes things start looking back. That's very niche or whatever the thing was called, like you stare into the abyss, the abyss stairs back or whatever the saying goes. So I was just like, oh, okay, didn't think much about that. And then my daughter started to have sleep terrors or nightmares or whatever, kept having bad dreams and wanted to come on our room
for having bad dreams. And that went on for a long time. And then last year about March, about a year ago March March April sometime I kind of took a break from doing to in foiltels for a little bit. I had a lot of stuff recorded, so I just wanted to take a little bit of time off. And I was doing this other podcast with my friend and during that time, looking at it now, she wasn't having the night terrors anymore, so I don't know if that correlated to doing the podcast
or not. And then back in the summer of last year, I started redoing the podcast and everything seemed fine, not a big deal. And then I think it was about September last year. The older kids are down in the basement and I don't think anything about it because they had a couple of friends over, and I hear them all start screaming, and I'm like, what are they doing? Because I noticed they came upstairs a little bit ago
and asked for some candles and a lighter. My wife assumed they just thought it stunk down here and they're gonna light up some candles and make it spell better. When I heard the scream, I looked at I was like, I bet they're doing a freaking seance. Sure enough, I come downstairs and they have a makeshift Wiji board they tried to draw, and they're trying to talk to spirits. At this point, I go into overprotective dad mode and I blow up on them right and I'm like, the hell are you doing?
Like you know, of all the stupid things that you could have done, this is the one thing that you should have never done, because you can open a doorway and bring in something that we can never put back.
I was like, you don't even know what you're doing. At this point, their friends probably think I'm crazy and they've never came back over since then, but they're probably went home told their parents crazy Dad starts screaming at us about demons and house sorts of stuff and oh, I won't go back over there. Sorry, that was their idea. They claimed that my kids blamed their friends for it. It was their ideas because my kids said they knew
better. They're like, uh huh, still did it? Anyways? After all that goes on, not much longer after that, weird stuff starts happening again. Basically, now my two year old son does not want to sleep in his bed. He's never had an issue being in his own room. Now he wants to sleep with us and can't explain it. And my daughter's back having bad dreams again. I was like, is it really because of what they've done. I went through the house again. I tried to say,
get out of here. Whatever. I've never seen anything at this point, so I can't. I don't know what. It could just be kids having sleeping, you know. I try to write it off. I'm not saying it's supernatural or anything. It's just weird. And then in November, I happened to look out back and in the field behind our house there is an orange glowing ball. It looked like a flare and it's in the sky.
I yell at my wife and son to come look at this. And I've literally made comments about people see things that never take pictures of us, Like everyone has a phone, why would they. I didn't think about taking a picture of it. You're just just guilty. Like I just was like, look this thing that I record it. Oh No, I didn't anythink about I just wanted to look at it. It lifted up a little bit and went off to the side, and it just kind of like disappeared.
It had been stationary for like at least a couple minutes, and then it it lifted up and moved and disappeared. And I can't explain that. It's just strange. If it was a layer, it wouldn't have came down before it faded away, wouldn't have went up and then yeah, so I having no idea what that was, and I know I was anything related. It's
just strange. Well, not much longer after, I had a couple of weeks later, I thought we were up at the four way stop, saying on our way home, and I'm thinking, I'm looking at starlink out in front of our house because I see all these lights and look like they're not too far from our house and they're in the sky and they look like they're all connected. I actually do have a photo and a video because at this point I remembered to throw on my phone to my wife and told her to
record it. So I have two seconds of it because we hit a bump and she didn't realize she hit the record button again and recorded very long. But so I have two seconds of this light strand it wasn't starlink because I looked started Starlink wasn't in that area. But once we got into our driveway and I got out to try and record it, it had disappeared. So it's two weird light situations within a couple weeks ago. The right fire house
very strange. And again I'm not saying it's UFOs or aliens or anything. I don't I don't know what it is. I'm just saying the seeing some weird shit. And right after this, my two year old is in our bed. He's between my wife and I because that's where he's been sleeping lately. He says, daddy ghost, ghost, Daddy ghost. I'm facing the wall. I'm not looking at him. He's beside me, and my wife's
like, do you hear him? Yep, I'm not looking. I'm still staring at the wall, like I do not want to look at whatever he's seen. And he keeps saying it. My wife's like, what is he looking at? So I roll over. I don't see anything in the ceiling. I see a shadow, but it's a shadow that's always there, is from the light from the that we have to have on because my wife can't sleep with out a fan on, so that's all I'm seeing. I'm like, buddy, I don't see a ghost. Daddy ghosts. And I look
over him. He snuggles up to his mom. She's hold of him. He's visibly shaking. He's terrified of whatever he's seen. I don't see anything, so I don't know what to do, Like we get him calm down, he goes to sleep. He wakes up about four point thirty in the morning and wants me to go get him a drink. And as I get up to get out of bed, he goes, oh, Daddy, ghost gone, ghost gone. It's like, oh, I said, you hear him. I was like, yeah, I heard him. It was gone.
What are you supposed to do in that situation? Yeah. I go through the house again, every corner, tell whatever energies are here and does not welcome needs to be gone, this and that, and I thought I thought we were done. And then right before Christmas. I remember this specifically, is right around Christmas time, I had a dream. So I think, as a dream, there's something trying to take my kid. He's in bed with us, but at this point in the dream he's being carried off
by these little, pinkish skinned humanoids. And I don't want to say they're aliens because they didn't look like a typical gray alien like. They looked like a little humans, but they were hairless and no clothes or anything, and I'm swinging on them. I'm punching them, kicking them because they're not taking
my son. And one of them takes something and it's I don't want to say hand, but something was glowing and it went up into my nostril and I instantly woke up out of the dream, and I freak out because he's not laying next to me. Somehow, he'd crawled under the cover and made it all the way to the foot of the bed. He's never done that before, He's never done it since I grabbed him. I brought him back
up here hell a long time, and I fell back to sleep. The next morning, I woke up, went to the bathroom and take my normal routine piss and stood in front of the mirror to wash my hand. I looked in the mirror the nostril and my dream from where they stuck the thing in there, that's crusty blood around it. I instantly go to my wife, freaked out, tell her about the dream, tell her other. She starts laughing because my wife's not into all this type of stuff, says,
I must have scratched my nose in my dream. I was picking my nose, and that's what I was dreaming about okay, whatever. Well, she proceeds to tell her family later that day that came over for wasn't on Christmas. It was like we had family Christmas before Christmas with her family and they all start laughing and like, oh, do you probe yourself when you're sleep? And I said, what if it wasn't a dream? And then they just like laugh and kind of like got me, like I'm crazy. That's
a weird coincidence too. And I'm not saying aliens are coming hereducting me. I don't you know what I mean. I don't know right, I'm just saying, like, literally, there's crusty blood from that same mouthful world in my dream that I gotten a light stuck into my nose. But we go on vacation to Disney. Everything's fine. Come back in January from we went around New Year's for Disney. Come back, kids, go back to school.
Everything's fine. I have a garage outside with a fridge. That's where we keep most of the drinks at So I walk from the one into the house in the middle of night because I'm thirsty, all the way out to the garage and get a drink, and I come back inside, I happened to notice a little shadow figure person no bigger than fifteen to eighteen inches, darting down the hallway, and I'm like, I give chase, and it goes right into my daughter's room and I run in there. She's sound asleep
in her room. I don't see anything. It was on two legs. Whatever it was, a little two legged shadowy person running down the hallway. Can't explain that one. As much as I've tried to think it was something like there's nothing that small in the house that would have been that, you know what I mean? Like, what would have made that shadowy person thing? I have no idea. And then this is where my dog comes into play. So I have an all white German shepherd. She is chewing on
something. It's about this has been into January, beginning of February, Like, what do you got? I open her mouth whatever, she's chewing on a tooth. I'm thinking, oh, she's lost a tooth. I checked her mouth. I didn't see aywhere where she's missing a tooth. And I can send you the photos of the teeth. It looks like a human's tooth. None of my kids lost any teeth. Thought it was really strange. So I put it on the counter and I wait till my wife to get
home from work. Showed it to her. She agreed, it looks like almost like a child's tooth. It's got like a long root to it, so kids teeth don't have like the roots attached, you know what I mean, like when they lose a tooth. Yeah, it looks it's a small tooth. It looks like an adult's tooth side of a child's tooth. It's strange. Didn't think anything about it other than the loss strange. About two or three weeks go by, my dog's chewing on something else. My son's
like, what do you got and he pulls out a tooth. He brings it to me. I'm like, oh, it's the same tooth. Must have found it again. She's still gnawn on it. And at this point I look over at my wife, who's now white as a ghost. I said, what is wrong? She said I threw that tooth away. I was like, clearly you didn't. She's like, no, I threw it in the trash weeks ago. She's convinced it's the same tooth that she threw away. So I go outside with the two that take a couple of pictures
of it. And I go down the road to where there's some field that's owned by some not the nicest of neighbors, and I chucked the tooth over into their field, and I said, if there's any bad juju, to go somewhere else so I don't want to hear. And I haven't found another tooth yet. I thought about it after the fact. Buddy said I should have put road on it with a sharpie or something so it comes back again on It was the same tooth. But I've checked the dog's mouth that wasn't
missing any teeth. Checked the other dog's mouth, she wasn't missing any teeth. The kids weren't missing any teeth. I can't explain the teeth thing. That is weird. Someone says, someone says rodents bring in teeth. I was like, that's fine. I want to know where the human heads they're bringing the teeth in from, like, because it doesn't look like animal doy.
They look like little human maller teeth. That's weird, man. I mean, like if the dog found something, it's been the German shepherd both times, and I went out and looked because they have a little fenced in area when we let them out, the back porch that they can go in to do out and do their business. And I've looked all through that I've never found anything that they've had been bringing teeth in from. And why would they bring just like the teeth yea, the same exact looking tooth. So
that is, uh, that is the last weird thing that happened. That was about a month or so ago. I don't know if there's been anything else going on. I don't know if it was even paranormal. I just know that there's been some weird stuff going on in the four years that we've lived here. Are going on four years that we've lived here. Yeah, i'd say, so that's that's definitely something. Have you thought about keeping some
sort of record, a journal or something your experiences. I've talked about it, I guess on your show on another show, But other than that, I haven't been like documenting anything other than what I've talked about. Like I said, I don't, I don't really. I don't want to say I don't believe in it, but I I want to have more roof of something, I guess, So, like I said, I can't say that everything that's happened in the house is paranormal because I don't know. Right, I'm
not saying it's demonic, because again I don't know. But I look back at what that old lady had said about doors that had crosses built on the doors. I never thought about it. I was like, why did she make a point to tell us that, right of all things to say, I was just a random thing that she told us. I was like, yeah, the house, all the doors on the houses have built in crosses. Oh okay. I didn't think anything about it. I wonder if there
was a reason why they put those doors in. Where I live at is a very high Native American land area. This used to be they still have their places around here as the Miami Indians. I live in Miami County. Pretty sure it's named from the Miami Indians. But where we live there is a river not too far from here, and there's another river, and I'll only live four miles from where I had my weird experience back in two thousand and seven. I still live in the same general area. So with it
being strong with Native American lore, is it all connected? Is it all the incidents I have no idea. It's something to think about, because I know every think about it all the time. Yeah, I've ran across a lot of situations where and I talk about this all the time on the podcast about a lot of people very seldom experience just one weird thing and then never
anything else. It usually seems like if you experience one thing, it kind of opens the door and you start experiencing other things and it sounds like you might be going through a similar situation. Then there's also, like you're saying, just the geographic region itself could have something going on that's causing all these events. It's tough to say, but for sure you've got some strange stuff
going on. Whether it's paranormal or alien or anything else, I can't really say, but yeah, you're definitely experiencing enough events that it's worth noting and mentioning, so that I've even made comments from people that I've been hesitant to interview because they have so many different types of experiences, like man, this
can't be true. And then here I am talking about the stuff with you, and I'm like, I sound like the people that I'm kind of hesitant A. Yeah, yeah, So it's like Again, That's why I don't want to write anyone off with my shows, because as weird as it sounds, my own stuff is very weird. So I can't say anyone's full of crap because I know what I'm experienced, Like what's going on. I'm not the only one experience. My whole family can attest to what's going on here,
So it's very very eye opening. Like I said, I try and be skeptical, but I'm very open minded at this point because I just you can't write it off, Brandon. Tenfoil Tells. Where can they find your stuff? Man, Well, anywhere where you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads you should be able to find Tenfoil Tells. There's also Tenfoiltales dot com. It'll have the episodes on there, but it's also got links to where you can find it on any of the platform to choose to listen to it at. There
is a YouTube channel. I'm not a YouTuber, so the videos that are on there are just the audio from the interviews. But the last Thursday of every month, I've started doing a live stream called Tenfoil Tells After Dark. It's at nine pm Eastern Standard Time on the last they have every month, and I always have a new guest on. It's like a live's version of the show. And I usually have another podcaster on there too. So maybe sometime you want to hop on and be a co host for the night.
Yeah, yeah, we should do that sometime. Be more and welcome to do that. And then basically like do a double interview with a guest and kind of there's no agenda to it. It's just kind of what it is. But for anyone that's interested in Tenfoil Tells, just make sure you don't find the Australian version. Just look up Tenfoil Tells. You'll find it. I've got so many episodes on there about cryptids, I've got alien stuff,
I've got conspiracy stuff, I've got paranormal stuff. It's pretty much anything under the umbrella weird. It's on there. You just released a show about thunderbirds, right, yeah, the episode that came out. I released two episodes a week. Currently. My plan is to go back to only doing one a week, but I had such a huge backlog I've been dropping them on Tuesdays and Fridays. So Friday's episode is a Thunderbird, Today's episode is Dogman
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