I heard that door to that little building slam into the side of the building, and something running out of there that sounded like a herd of wooly mammoth. I heard a pause when it leaped over the fence and went right down over the hill down into where the spring to the west is, and then I could hear it running all the way down into the swamp. I mean, you couldn't have made this, souff. I tried to make sounds like it. I experimented for days while I was here, trying to make something
sound like this. Even big logs that I would spend up on their end and the dropover did not make the sound this thing made running. I couldn't slap the ground with an iron pen and make it sound like this sound, and you could feel it. I'm board of or fifty feet away from where this thing came out of the building, and you could feel those first steps it took. I can draw a log from ten feet in the air and
it won't make the sound or make the ground shake like this thing. Did I know that you haven't had, as you put it, a big foot crossing the road in front of you. Uh type encounter. But what are some of the things that you have experienced, Well, my first experiences really have the ones that I know for a fact were some kind of there weren't just normal experiences that all occurred in adulthood. In childhood, I was scared
today if I knew about big Foot. I knew, I knew it was a real thing, you know, the way that children know something, And I was scared to death of it. I can't to this day. My bedroom doesn't have any windows in it. I thought to sleep in a room with windows my big My windows had to be covered in sheets and blankets for me to sleep. I was terrified something was going to look in the window.
There were times as a child that there were shadows crossed the window and my bedroom was on the end of our house, which was eight feet off the ground. So stuff was going on, and I just didn't really I didn't want to believe what it was. I wanted to think Bigfoot was a phenomenon in the Pacific Northwest and that couldn't happen here. Little did I know I was growing up in Bigfoot Central. But you know, we always had the stories too, and even as a child, and part of what drove
me into science was. I wanted to prove my ancestors wrong with some of what I considered their superstitions, you know, I wanted to I wanted to find out what the truth was, you know, rather than just accepting their fairy folk tales of truth. But they were always telling about the Boogeyman and don't go out at night, you know, you know, all the stuff, right, and so I wanted not to believe it, and yet was scared to death of it. But I never had an experience. As a
child. I was all over the woods, but I always felt watched, and I always felt protected. I always felt like I could go anywhere, the closest thing I have to their possibly being one occur in childhood. I was in the woods behind my grandparents' house, like two heels over so good ways from the house, and the neighbor's dogs come rushing through, barking at us and trying to attack me and my brother. And I'm eight or nine
years old, so I take off running and something stopped those dogs. I didn't turn around to look, but all of a sudden, the dogs were not chasing us, and you could hear the dogs, the yelping and screaming and running away. That's the closest thing in childhood that possibly happened now.
In childhood, I remember hearing the story about the Bigfoot walking down the creek here that runs in front of my house, and we would go sleigh riding on the hills here that run down to that creek where my house sits now, and I was always scared to death I was going to see bigfoot down in these woods. These woods that I live above always have felt weird and creepy and ponted, and you know, they just have that vibe about them. They're right on a swampy area, and there's a spring to the southeast
of my house. There's a spring to the west of my house, and so I was always terrified sleigh writing that there was going to be a big foot in the edge of the woods or come out of the woods. I mean, And what does stuff like that even come from, you know, because I mean, certainly I was watching. I was watching the shows, you know, I was watching in search of and anything I could get, you know, that I could watch. And once I was in my teens
and I was finding books on them. I was reading things, you know, I read Sanders and you know anything I could get a hold of early on, but it was only as an adult that I've had real experiences. One experience that happened, and I don't know what this actually was. This was in nineteen ninety four. It was the month I had moved back up here from Florida to the house. I was out back with a friend who had helped me move up here. He stayed for about a month, so
I kind of know the timeframe. We were standing out back and at the front of my house there's a bank that drops down about five feet and there was a little tree there right beside the deck, and all of a sudden we see something step up that bank, and one step. It was stepped from down below the bank, right up beside that tree. Was standing there looking at us, but it was invisible. It looked like the Predator from
the movie Predator. It looked like glowing, fizzying yellow waves of heat on pavement that had like little like almost like a little rainbow sparks in it if you were seeing it out of the corner of your eye, but if you look dead on it, you couldn't see anything. And it was right after I'd moved back. I just took it here again, falling back on my
raisin. I just took it that it was the spirit of the spring down below the house, you know, because that one spring, the one to the south of my house the southeast, is active and creepy, and I just thought, well, that's that's the water spirit, you know, because water spirits are big thing in the failure. And I was not quite at the point where I was questioning that failure is deeply and so I was like, eh, water spirit. And so we stood there for a minute or
so and it just stood there, didn't do anything. It looks very lift, very thin, tall and thin. This thing would have been tall nine feet and very very thin. The arms were long, but the whole thing was just thin. But you couldn't make any details because you couldn't see anything. How far away were you, oh, forty five feet? My house
is thirty six feet long. We were standing about two feet away from the back of the house, and it was standing about eight or ten feet from the front of the house, So forty forty five to fifty feet tops? Could you do? Was it physically impacting the environment like the vegetation around it? Yes, you could see the tree move that's what we first noticed. When it stepped up on that bank, the tree, the bottom branches moved.
Yeah. And now remember distinctly, it had its arm. It had to have had its arm because it had to have reached up into that tree when it came up. I think that's what caused the tree to move. But that's what we noticed first. And we both glanced at the same time, and I said to my friend, do you see that. He said, yeah, let's go in the house, and I said, no, wait just a second. I just kind of stand there and sit there and
looked at it. And again this will sound totally woo and crazy, and I hate saying things like this, but I flashed good energy at it. I made my energy by the yellow, which to it was, you know, in my way of thinking and my experience is like happy, welcoming color, you know. I mean, because I hate this, I see auras and when I see someone with a yellow aura, they're generally very jovial,
happy people. And so it was like it was like saying welcome. I flashed that energy at it, but it was also a way of saying to it, I see you, and I can make this energy change colors if I need to, And it didn't do anything. It just stood there. I felt like it was a greeting. It didn't feel aggressive. There was no sound. There was, you know, the back ground sounds continued, you know, you could still hear the birds. This didn't do anything,
you know, like the typical scary kind of encounter. But then again, I am not even though I was a complete coward of everything as a child, as I grew up and got older, I lost, you know, a lot of that fear, and I just didn't have a fear response to this. There was no fear involved in this. And I have to say another little dirt road. I think a lot of times that whole fear thing that people are feeling is their own stuff and not necessarily what the beings are
doing. It's an ancestral reaction, you know, it's a subconscious reaction. Not in every instance, because I've been hit with something that made me fearful. But this was not doing any of that. This felt like a greeting, like welcome back, a welcoming of some kind. And I regret, honestly that my reaction was as stand and offish to it as it was.
I wish i'd stayed outside longer and seen what was going to do. But we went in the house because my friend was freaking out, and I was like, well, I told you, you know, And he had seen an orb become a craft with me just a couple of weeks before, and so he was just, you know, he had to go back to Florida. Yeah. I did have a thing happen in Florida when I lived in Gainesville, Florida. Of course, there's all kinds of big Foot reports from
there. I had gone out on the main drag that goes out past Paynes Prairie. There's a place out there I used to go and park way out in the country and walk down this forest road like a logging road, or I think it was like a Kentucky it would be like forestry service. I'm not sure what it is down in Florida, but I would go down there and walk, often by myself, just way out in the woods, down
this trail. And I always felt great out there, loved it. And one time I was out there and just suddenly knew I had to turn around and leave. And it wasn't that I didn't go into a panic. I didn't go into fear it was just an absolute knowing at that moment, I just get the hell out of here. I turned around the left and nothing happened. And so, you know, so I know that fear can hit
people. You know, I'm not saying that it can't, but I think a lot of times that fear response is something that's within the person's their response rather than the object itself. Because I was having I would have fear responses at times to these orbs. You know, one night I would go out and they'd do their little dance and I'd be completely fine. The next night I'd go out and they would do the exact same thing, and I'd get scared and have to go in the house. And that's that's I think that
was me. I don't think it was them. I don't think they were doing anything different. So then later of things that happen that are bigfoot ish and nature I'm at one point in the year two thousand and one, I moved for a year to go to one of the big cities here in the state I live in to as part of my research project. The actual hands on growing the animals part had ended, and so I went back up to one of the universities just for correlating data and some stuff like that that I
was working on. And so I was living in a city at that time and wasn't living here in the house. And in April of two thousand and two I came back down here. And for whatever reason, in two thousand I had found the BFRO website, and then I found the GCBRO and then I found blog talk radio and all that. So I'd gone crazy. Do you followed the same path I did? Yeah, I'd gone bigfoot crazy. I was. I didn't do anything but read and listened to bigfoot stuff.
I came back here that April one day. Of course, the animals weren't here. And I have a big animal building to the west of my house. And of course my house property is on the hillside, and so the house and this animal house, the longside runs east to west, and the
front and back run north to south. And so if you're at my house, you walk out of my house to the west, and then you turn and go just up the bank, you know, five or ten feet, and then you turn to the west again to go into the area where these where the animals were. And there were no animals there, and I had left some of the doors open, not thinking anything on it. You know, we had cleared out that part of the program was over, and so the animals had gone on to, you know, to the for study.
They had gone on to. They had been shipped out. They weren't here, and so the buildings were setting empty, and I was I don't even know what I was doing going up there that day. I guess it was just checking on it, or probably walking out to look at garden plants or something. And I had built a little building on this side of that building, a little room like an eight by six, and then I had built another room on the front of that building that was like an eight by twenty
one. And so as you're approaching the building, you can't see that little eight by six building on the back end. So I get to the point where I would turn and go up the little bank, and all of a sudden, I heard that door to that little building slam into the side of the building, and something went running out of there that sounded like a herd
of wooly mammoths and went running to the west. I heard a pause when it leaped over the fence and went right down over the hill, down into where the spring to the west is, and then I could hear it running all the way down into the swamp, and every step it took sounded like you had well, I don't know what it sounded like. I mean, you couldn't have made this stuff. I tried to make sounds like it.
I experimented for days while I was here, trying to make something saf like this, and even big logs that I would stand up on their end and then drop over did not make the sound this thing made running. And that that had to have been something of this nature. I mean that, you know. I mean I didn't see it, just force of it hitting the ground. Yeah. Yeah, it sounded like feet the size of a feet, like four foot by four foot slap in the ground, you know.
I mean they weren't that big obviously, but you know, I've felt like I couldn't slap the ground with an iron pen and make it sound like this sound and you could feel it. You know. I'm forty or fifty feet away from where this thing came out of the building, and you could feel those first steps it took. I mean, I can drop a log from ten feet in the air and it won't make the sound or make the ground shake like this thing did. Yeah. I've talked to several people that talk
about feeling it as they run off or whatever. Yeah, and that, Yeah, it takes like a tremendous I mean, like things like elephants turned to mind or you know, cattle stampeding and things like that. Uh, but you want to know what's really screwed about all that? Not a footprint,
nothing, nothing, But I'll say what it did leave. You could see the path in the field because when it jumped over the fence, it went out of my garden area, jumped over the fence into a field which at that time was basically just grass and weeds, and then on down in the woods. You could see the path that it took. It just didn't leave me footprints. You know, you could see that the vegetation was had been parted. What was in the building anything, nothing, Nothing was standing
there empty. I think it had been in their sheltering, if that makes any sense. Doesn't make any sense to me, but that's kind of what I think is Like, you know, it had found this building with an open door. It was like, Hey, I'm going to spend the night here, you know, I mean that doesn't really sound crazy at all to me. I mean, there's been so many circumstances where people had them taking
shelter in barns and sheds and garages exactly. So it's an old barn standing empty right up the hill, and I've never seen one in that barn. The barn's not there now. We tore it down a few years ago because it fell apart it with the old old barn. But that barn always gave me the creeps. And of course that barn is right in the middle of the spring at my uncle's house that I saw the orb that turn into the UFO come out of and the spring this thing ran down to the barn sat
right in the middle of it on a high point. Uh. And but that necessarily means anything, but it's interesting. But this thing ran down to that spring, and then I heard it go on in because that spring makes a little creek that feeds down into the creek that runs in front of my house, and there's a swampy area down there, and I rarely go down into those woods. I have huge bamboo groves around the house too, and
go down in the woods much. It's not that I'm scared to. It's just that it's like, well, you know, you all stay down there and I'll stay up here. Yeah, things to work for us all. So that was one. Then another year I moved back for several years and continued with a slightly different project. And then when that one was over,
I repeated the same pattern. I left here for a year and went up to the city and was there for about a year, and again in April of that year, that would have been two thousand and nine, I came back down here and I had been having dreams about one of my types of bamboo. I have this rare type of bamboo that was planted down up above that spring to the southeast, and I kept dreaming about it, and I
thought, that's weird. And so when I got here, what had happened is some of the local crackhead kids had I mean kid any teenagers or young adults, some of our local meths has had while I was gone, had come down into those woods and were camping out, and they had cut some of that bamboo. And it's a real slow growing type that's hard to establish, and of course them cutting it set it back severely, and so of course I called the local police, and they came out and did their investigation.
And you know, neighbors saw who did it, and so I told them who did it, and they talked to them. And this was so funny. When the officer came back and told me, it was so hard not to laugh. He said, one of them kids told me that you ran them off, that you were up there screaming and throwing stuff at him and ran them out. I said, I don't live here right now, so something had run them off. And of course they were right above that
spring. I wouldn't camp above that spring, but anyhow they had so while I was here one of the nights, while I was staying here, and I don't remember exactly when it was, I was asleep here. I sleep in the upstairs. My house is Earth's shelter with a high pitched roof, and I've got a bedroom upstairs, and like I said, no windows in the bedroom. And there's a back door though, that goes out the back.
And when you come in the back door, I built a false wall that's about four feet from the back door, and my bed is against that false wall. So my bed is about four feet from the back door. So I'm laying there sleep. It's about three in the morning. All of a sudden, I wake up and there are people out back talking. I thought, well, these damn kids are back. They're messed up and they're out here behind my house. And so I laid there thinking I'm gonna have
to get up and get a shotgun run them off. And I started listening, and it was it was the It wasn't the samurai chatter, but it was not an intelligible human language. Two things talking right behind. I mean, they couldn't have been more than eight feet away. And then when I came really I'm really alert and I'm really listening. All of a sudden they hit the wall above the door. Well that's ten feet above the door. Something smacked the wall, but it didn't feel threatening. I didn't feel scared.
I laid back down, went right to sleep, and I think they were letting me know we're watching. We're watching the place for you. And there was nothing else. Nothing else happened. That was it. I was going to ask you if anything had ever slapped the wall at your house. Oh, that's their favorite. Yeah, I love that one. Most activity here happens in the spring or the fall. We typically don't get a lot of summer or winter activity, although I had some activity this summer which was
really unusual, but that happened in the spring. Both of those instances that I just told you both happened in April, and so those were spring encounters. And yeah, they'll put the wall. I was on the phone one night with a friend, and you know, my house is a nerth shelter, so it's got that high pitched roof, and the sides of my roof go all the way down to the ground on the sides, you know, and then the back has some wall out of the ground, and then the
front has both stories out of the ground. I've heard things run across the roof. I had something run across the roof one night around two thousand and four, two thousand and five that shook the whole roof. The light fixtures were shaking, and I thought, well, they've just tore my roof off,
and but nothing. I was on the phone one night with a friend not too many years ago, three or four years ago, and one of them just I mean, it sounded like an elephant had thrown itself into the east side of the roof to the point that My friend was like, did you just fall down the stairs? And I said, no, that was that was the good folk. They want me to know the out there and they knew anything else. But yeah, they do that kind of stuff.
They don't do it regularly. They don't do it often, but they do it. And I'll just tell you one of the things I do that keeps them away from the back eye kiss outside the back door every day. Really, yeah, just to tell them, you know, this is mine, you just stay off my back door, and they do. I find them whatever I'm interacting with very considerate. They have never forced me to see them. I know, as a young person, if I'd seen them, i'd
have lost my mind that had been hospitalized. If as an adult I'd seen them, I don't know what my reaction would be. I think I'm at the point where if I saw one, I would probably shrug and go on about my work. But I think it's taken me a long time to get there, and I think they have been extraordinarily considerate. But I'll tell you what I do where they're concerned, because it's the same thing my ancestors would have done with the faithfolk. I don't really gift. You know, I
don't do that kind of stuff, but I do throw things out. You know, if an animal died, i'd throw it out, you know. So you know I have fed them once or twice, I assume. But I just go out and talk to them, just like I talk to anybody else. What do you say, Well, just slave depends on the situation, if you know, like if they are if they get to slapping on the house a lot, I'm like, you know that scares me. You know that bothers me. I know it's cute. I know y'all getting a
kick out of it. Please stop and it'll quit for a time. So you know, they seem to be considerate. Now, other things I've had happened. I was out one evening in late November, way after dark, probably like eleven thirty at night, putting Christmas lights on a Japanese maple that was beside the house and up in the bamboo grove to the northeast. Something did, like a tree now on the bamboo that was five knocks in a row, real hard and real loud. Boom bom boom, boom boom.
I just said, okay, I know y'all don't want me out here right now. But I've got to get these rest of these lights strung and then I'll go in the house if y'all can possibly stand it until I can get this finished. I'm almost done, I told nothing else happened. Then one time I'm back early when I had first moved back from Florida in ninety four, a friend was staying with me and the woods down in front of the house. I had gotten the wild hair that I was going to go down
and clear some pathways to make it kind of more park like. And so we were down there working and clearing, and we weren't cutting big trees or anything. We were basically cutting underbrush, and all of a sudden, me and him both got sick. We couldn't stand up and had to basically help
each other out of the woods. And both were sick and threw up and had a raging head the whole day and that night and the next day, and you know, we're sick, and you know again, I just shrugged, and I was like, well, we got too close to the to the spring. The water spirit didn't want us there because water spirits will do malicious stuff. Water spirits don't like humans as a general rule and they'll zap you. Now what that means in scientific terms, I have no idea.
But that fits with the mythology, and it fits with my personal experience, you know, anywhere I've ever been around and since what I call or my ancestors called water spirits, they're hostile. Now if you just talk to them and explain what you're doing, they will become neutral sometimes, but I have never met one of them that was like excited or happy. So anyhow, I just shrugged. It was like, well, the water spirit doesn't want us down there doing it, and so we quit and we didn't do anymore
on it. We lasted alone. Nothing else happened, so now I don't know what it was. The other instances happened In like two thousand and ten or eleven. I got up and went with my mom to the grocery stores fairly early in the day. And I'll and I'll say, I'm fairly nocturnal. I tend to get up about two or three in the evening, and I like to go to bed sometime between four and noon. I always have
been. School was torture because it was not on my algorithms. And so anyhow, I gotten up early to go to the store with my mother. She wanted some help. She was, you know, needing to pick up some things that lows, and so I said, yea, I'll go with you. And when I went outside again, this isn't spring. There was this smell in the air that was like vetever and roses and rich earth. It was the most beautiful smell. And I was like, oh, the
smells of spring. Isn't that beautiful? So get in the car and I leave and I come back. I've got my groceries and I'm unload my groceries, and all of a sudden at the car, I got weak and just about passed out and had to sit down. I had to eat an apple. And I knew what was happening, or at least I guessed, you know, I made an assumption of what was happening. I'm pretty sure I was being hit by infrasound or ultrasound or something. I was being hit by
energy wave of some kind, because that just doesn't happen. I don't get like a low book blood sugar fits or things like that. You know, it was really weird. I had to eat an apple. I had these Granny Smith apples I had gotten, so I ate one and I sort of came back too, and the message then that I got was we want one of those, and so I threw it up in the bamboo and took the rest of the groceries in the house. And that was an example of mine
speak. I've rarely had mine speak happen in day to day life, but I've had dreams with them. And I hate talking about dream stuff worse than anything, because of the Lord who knows. I don't know what those are,
but I've certainly had a lot of stuff happening in dreams. Now, there's someone I know who lives around here that the woods on the northwestern side of the family farm abutted a big, huge section of woods, and when I was a kid, you could go back into those woods and they were all grown up, so that you it had been a field that had been allowed to grow up, so you had trees that had grown up to the overhead level, and all the briers and underbrush under the trees had died out,
and so it was like it was full of tunnels, and honestly looked cleared. And I don't think it was natural. I've never seen anything like this. And years later a friend told me that when he was a kid, him and one of the neighbors who were friends would go in there and play and that there were cat people that lived in there. Cat people. Cat people. Now this is what he was calling him. Now, This poor guy he worked for me for a while, not real bright, not
real well educated. But he said that their faces were flat. Because I made him describe every detail of this. They said their faces were flat, and that they had like little sharp teeth that came out of their mouth and that's why they called them cat people, huh. And that they would go in there and they would play hide and seek with them. Are they just like normal human size? Oh no, No, they were big. They were black. Huh. Yeah, And they were scared of them that they
used to go in and play with. And the whole reason that he even told me that story was because when I went to pick him up one day to do some work, you know, he was mucking out animal stalls and stuff. I went and picked him up, and I came back a back road that was different from the path I usually took. I came up the back hill to get here, and he said, oh, my friend lived over there. I've been over there a lot, and I was like, yeah, well, our farm ends over there. We used to play back
in those backwoods. And so he started telling me story, just completely volunteered it out of nowhere. And when he described on what he described was a bigfoot, you know, big hairy human looking thing with these flattened in in faces that you know, they would smile and they had these little sharp teeth. That's interesting. So yeah, so there's another one. Then another incident
on this same little creek that runs in front of my house. If you go up that back road and you go around, there's a road then that runs all the way around through there and goes down the creek. And all my cousins live over there, you know, so this whole area is my extended family. And so one of my cousins built this beautiful little a frame house over there, and the whole front glass And at that time, there's not that many people live on that road, and it faces right right it's
the creek. It's across the road from the creek, but it faces right as the creek. So he got married and moved his wife in there. And they're young people, they're in their twenties or whatever at the time, and the next thing, you know, she's had a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized. And the story was that while he was gone to work at night, he worked third shift, the devil would come and look in the windows at her. Oh wow. Of course that's the Pentecostal side of
the family, so everything was the devil. Yeah, but yeah, that was the story. Devil came and looked in the windows that her every night with red glowing eyes and would and she she lost it. She was hospitalized for years. Wow. Yeah, And that's but it never was did And of course my question was, well, was it doing anything? Never did
anything, just did there and watched, you know. And that's the reason that I that's one of the reasons that I kind of think your world view and how tightly you're clinging to a worldview, whether it's religious or materialist or whatever it is, if something shakes up your worldview, that can send you
into real terror and trauma. Oh for sure, for sure. And that's one of the reasons that I think a lot of these fear reactions maybe have more to do with the person having the fear than the actual being itself, not in every instance, but in some. But then again, you know, I have a lack of first hand experience because none of my experiences have been these aggressive type experiences. You know, I've never had anything like that.
And because I was already primed to know that there are things out there other than humans, it didn't shake my worldview, right, created kind of a buffer. Yeah, exactly exactly. It's kind of like a patch. I didn't get the computer virus, so or it didn't make my operating system go off line. But let's see. Then another instance again, that's happened right above that spring that's to the west of my house. I was over there. I have some gardens up behind the house up the hill that are
directly up from that spring. And for you know what, occasionally I'll walk through the woods. But for some reason, that day, I got a wild hair to walk down through those woods. Sometimes I do it just to see if there's anything down there. Sometimes I'm just like, I'm gonna walk down through here and say if I can see me a footprint, or if someone's gonna pop out from behind a tree. Nothing ever does. But what I did find that day, I'm laying on the path, the animal path,
the deer path. Up above the spring was a dead deer, and I thought, well, poacher's been in here hunting, because I you know, I don't hunt. I don't have anything against honey. I just don't have time for it. And I raise more food than I can eat anyhow, so I don't need to hunt. Although the deer are constantly in my gardens, and I tell the Bigfoot all the time, eat every deer you can get your hands on it, wipe them out. Yeah, deer as
an endangered species is my fantasy, and not seriously but jokingly. But so anyhow, there was this deer down there. At first I thought poachers. I thought, well, I need to go up and call the cops. And I thought I just for some reason, I thought, you need to look at this. Both front legs are broken and twisted, the head is broken backwards and twisted. There's no bullet holes anywhere, and the stomach is split open and all the entrails are missing. Huh. I've heard that story
before. Yeah. Yeah, and they hadn't taken any of the meat. What poacher kills a deer and doesn't take the meat, yeah, I mean a poacher at the very loose is you know, gonna cut off the hind quarters and things like that. Get the back strap exactly exactly, And nothing was missing. None of the muscle had been taken. What had been taken were the internal organs and the guts, and that was all that was missing. And there were no bullet holes because let me tell you, I went
over that thing with a fine tooth comb. Once I realized what I was looking at. Was there any blood? Yep, not a drop. That's the one that always gets me. Yeah, me too. And that's another thing. If a poacher had shot it, there'd have been a blood trail. I mean, I've been hunting before. You know, I'm a good shot, and certainly I know how to track a blood trail. I know I can handle myself on the woods. I know how to track you know,
trails, and I had to track footprints. I mean, I spent the first twenty years of my life basically in the woods, so I know what I'm looking at. And no blood trails, no blood, no internal organs, no bullet holes. Did the stomach look cut open? That's the thing. It looked like you'd taken a scalpel. It wasn't ripped. It wasn't torn. It's cut of course, though you know, my thought was, I bet you money bigfoot was a big, tough, thick fingernail could
do that. Yeah, so that wouldn't necessity. I mean, I don't think it was a deer mutilation from a UFO, you know. I think that was probably related to this, to the other phenomena whatever. I don't even know what to say to bigfoot ish things. Another of my favorite stories that happened. My brother's house is right across the road up just slightly north from mine, on the same family farm, and his wife, of course,
doesn't believe in any of this stuff. And so one day she was out on the porch of their house and I quote unquote a bear went walking through the woods and when it saw her, sea it it got behind a tree and kept peeking out behind the tree at her. Okay, And at first she at first she said it was a bigfoot, and then later she changed the story to the bear, and she always tells it it's the bear.
Now. She gets mad when we say it was a big foot, because me and my brother both are like, it was a big foot and it was gray, And I was like, well, how many gray bears have you ever seen in our area? There aren't really any bears in our area. There are few black bears coming back through that passed through, but there are none that live here. But yeah, I was walking on his hind legs, just walking through, and then when it saw her see it,
it got behind the tree and started peeking out at her. And now her excuse is that she didn't have her glasses on and she can't see will at a distance, so she doesn't know what she saw. I mean, it sounds like just the stereotypical non believer sighting trying to rationalize what they saw, trying to rationalize it. Yeah, exactly. Well, and she's down
there by herself during the day. I'm sure she scares her. And you know, I understand, Yeah, I mean, in that situation, I would probably try to convince myself I saw a gray bear peeking at me from
behind the tree, too. Absolutely. Well. You know, I have tried over the years to convince myself of everything under the sun, with everything I've ever experienced that wasn't scientifically explainable under current scientific paradigms, And every time I fail and come up empty handed, and I am too honest with myself to be able to continue that self deception very long. I finally have to come around to you know, you didn't see swamp gas. You know,
you know that a bear didn't kill that deer. You know a poacher didn't kill that deer. So there's another one. She saw that. One time they were laying in the bed and something got up on their back deck, which is fifteen feet off the ground, and went stomping across it and then jumped off the end of it, naked here it hit the ground. But they're convinced that was a bear. I have a real bear problem, real bear problem. And those those those bipedal bear, Yeah, they're a plague
in these here parts. And then of course, you know, interspersed through all this as things running across the roof and things hitting on the back of the house here and there. But then I don't ever see footprint. I've never seen footprints. I've never even when that thing hit the side of the house the hard that my friend on the phone with me heard it and thought I'd fallen down the stairs, no footprints, no mark on the house. There should there should have been, Like I mean, even if it was
just a deer fell into the house. There should have been the roof of dirty it was dusty. There should have been a mark where the fur rubbed against it. Nothing. Yeah, you know, And that's the thing that leads me to believe that this is all just a hair bit weirder. I mean, I don't believe that they're just dumb apes do. I believe they are a natural, evolutionary branch of our same tree. Absolutely, But that also does not exclude them being quote unquote magical or supernatural. Although I don't
believe in magic and I don't believe in the supernatural. I believe that these are natural abilities that we have forgotten or don't use, or didn't evolve. I mean, there's no telling where we would be as a civilization had we gone a different route, that's right. And the thing is we went the material route. We went the route of tools, and so our minds are evolved around notions of things. To do a thing, you require a thing
to do the thing with. But that's not necessarily true. I mean, think about how many children in this day and age cannot do simple math in their head and have to have a calculator. There'll be a point in the future if people forget how to do math, that they'll think that doing math in your head is some kind of magic. Yeah, you know, if it's been so long, I mean, by the time we get complex AI, there are going to be things that we used to do in our minds
that people don't do anymore. And you go a thousand, two thousand and three thousand years in the future and they may have forgotten that people ever did that with their minds. Oh, I'm sure of it. Yeah, I don't see any I just don't believe there is a supernatural everything's natural. That's one of the things I have to admit when listening to bigfoot stories, reading stories, listening to podcasts that just makes me want to pull my hair out
sometimes. Is the dualism of it all the fear and I understand some encounters are horribly fearful. I don't want to put people down or criticize people, but it's also homocentric. It's all from our little, short, narrow views of reality. Oh this was unnatural. Oh this isn't a natural animal. How do you know there's this four billion years of evolution on this planet you ain't seen at all. How do you know what's natural. You know, you're not used to this. This is unknown to you that I'll buy,
but unnatural who knows. And here's the thing. Everything that Bigfoot does, somewhere in some human mythology is attributed to human magic wielders of some kind, priests, priestesses, which is wizards, druids, whatever, shamans. There's nothing they do that at some point someone and our species is not alleged to have also done. I never thought of it like that, but yeah, that's that's that's absolutely correct. I mean, that's interesting, that's huh.
Yeah, of course it takes I guess it takes someone with my background to be able to see that, because you know, stories, I mean, and the stories out of family history get you know, people that hear them and say, well, that's crazy. You know. Look, my great great grandfather, who was a real well known root doctor or is he would
have called himself a witch. His helping spirit was allegedly a booker, you know, and when he would be in a real hard situation where someone was real sick and he didn't know if he could heal him, he'd go out and talk to them and get them to help him. Now, that's the story. Now I don't I don't know what that is or means. I wasn't there, but that is the story that was told. And my grandmother always said that these things protected us, and it always protected our family.
I mean, and I've even had an experience that somewhat goes along with fat when they ran those kids off that were cutting down the bamboo and camping out down there doing drugs and whatever else, drinking and carry it on. H you know, I mean, and that's only that's the most tangential surface kind of thing. I wasn't here. I didn't see it. I don't know, but that's the story, and you know that looks to be the same
kind of thing. And then the fact that within a night or two they're here at the back door talking and slap on the back, and it's one of the few instances of mine speak where they let me know, we're here, you're fine. That was the exact words I got, We're here, You're fine. I just don't see any of this as supernatural, because I don't believe there is a supernatural. I believe there's superstition and then there's reality, and our superstition is that humans can't do these things too. But you
know, it benefits people in the positions of power and always have. And I'm not talking about quote unquote the deep state or you know, government conspiracy. I don't tell you about any of that. I'm talking about from the beginning, the for the tribe, the priests, the you know, whoever was at the top of the pyramid, the kings, and the later politicians. It's fall the same thing. Whoever is benefiting from keeping everybody else dumb
and powerless. They're the ones promoting those stories. To stay in power and to lead, you have to create need, They have to need you. That's exactly right. Need and fear. That's right. And that's the thing when when people tell all these stories about these monsters, these fearful beasts, My ancestors never looked at the at the good folk that way. They never looked at any of them that way. Now, they knew there were bad ones, and they knew that if you pissed them off, you'd had it.
You'd had it. But that was your problem. You did it, That wasn't the fault of the being. You had just crossed a boundary that you should not have crossed. That's like I always heard the old people say, if you ever run across the bugger, don't look at it the eyes and the eyes, bow your head, bowl your head, tell it you're
sorry, and walk away. I mean, And I have to admit, as a child, a lot of this provoked a lot of eye rolling in me, you know, because even though I'm interested in this stuff and I'm listening to it, there's the other part of me that you know, is part of modern culture, and you know, is watching you know, science shows on whatever the equivalent of PBS was at the time. You know,
I was watching regular programming just like everybody else in the country. You know that's that's interested in science and modern culture and art and history and those kind of things. Is hearing these stories, and you know, there's both fascination and eye rolling are occurring at the same time. But now I know that they were just conveying facts wrapped in their stories. You know, they were conveying their sense. Well, one thing I'll tell you real quick too,
if you've got just a second. This summer. What went on all summer is in one of my garden fields up on top of the hill just to the west of it, which is also in the area of that spring. It's just above the spring. All summer, every time I went in that field, something would break a branch off and throw it down in the woods. The first time it happened, it kind of freaks me out, and I would tell them, don't you worry. I want y'all here. I'm
fine with you being here. I'm not going to come down there and look at you. I've got to get work done in this field. I'm not leaving this field until I get that work done. And then nothing else would happen that evening. But it didn't happen every evening, but it was happening once a week or so that when I would go into that field, something would there would be a tree break back in there. Can you could hear it, I mean you could hear it being broken and twisted off and then
thrown on the ground. And what the sense I got, I don't know this for a fact, but the sense I got was that there because this was in the summer, you know, they're almost never around in the summer, there was something here all summer. I think there was a female down there with a baby. That was what I would get. That was the image I would get in my mind, because we had a real late spring here. We didn't warm up until almost June because we're at a higher elevation,
and so we stayed really cold and had a real late spring. And so I think for whatever reason, this female had chosen my bamboo grows above that spring. You know, she had a great supply of deer, she had a great supply of plant matter, a lot of cover, and then whatever the energy of those springs are was available to her two And that's what
I think was going on. That it went on all summer. And it wasn't that long ago that I was out in my dad's yard, which is up up on the top of the hill too, and heard a break down in the woods. And then yesterday I was out working in the yard doing some work and there was a big crash down in the woods to the south of me. And that's unusual to have anything going on in summer winter. So it continues, and to this day, I still can't tell you exactly
what any of it was. Oh and as the dog Man, I've never had anything that I know of was dog Man. But I did have a dream in the in ninety four after i'd moved back about dog Man where there were two what I call at the time wear wolves, because I'd never heard of dog men at the time, to wear wolves down in that spring to the southeast of me. And I'm up on top of the hill and it's at night, and I'm one of them. I'm their child, and I'm
running to get away from a human with a gun. And the way I'm running is I'm going in like leaps and bounds on all fours and I'm grabbing the grass with my hands and pulling myself forward fast. And at the time, I knew nothing of dog man. I didn't know a lot of big foot encounters. I hadn't, you know, I wasn't on line yet, And I remember how that just mystified me, that grabbing the grass to run.
And then later I've heard reports of people reporting bigfoot and maybe dog men two where they saw them on all fours and they were grabbing the grasses they went forward, and that kind of tripped me out a little. But that's the only only dog man thing that there's ever been but one. And the only other one was when I lived in Florida. I had gone I had left for a week and when I came back, someone said, well, I stopped by to see you, but there was that big black dog out
in your courtyard and it wouldn't let me in, so I left. And again, you know, we know those of the Puka, and they would say, you know that the Pucas were guardians. One of the other stories they always told was that the uh, the boogers and the Pucahs were the guards of the high fairies, that they guarded the entrances to the high Fhai, the tdy h, which are the equivalent to the tall whites and ufo or I think. And you know, there are things that are like reptilians
and fairy lore too, things like cobalds and stuff like that. So all the stuff that people see us quote unquote aliens, that's all, you know, uncounted for and fairy the fairy lower. And now that doesn't mean that they these things all do interact. That doesn't mean these things are guardians, but that that's what it all looked like to to my ancestors, and you know, it kind of looks that way to me too, But I just don't have the data that I could put together and say, yeah, I've
proven that to my satisfaction. I don't know, but that's that's the only dog man thing, although I do know of a couple of stories of people having seen things that were like dog men, you know, and not right in the not right here on the farm, but within this area. So you know, it's the whole ball of wax. And that's one of the things I hate when I start trying to tell people about all this is, you know, I've had it all and so that sounds like total bs.
But it seems to me that those of us who can see it tend to see all of it. Yeah, that's that's the problem. Uh. One of the things that I struggled with very early on, and I still don't talk about very often. The first time I had a bigfoot sighting, see, I don't even like saying that. Yeah, I know, I don't either. I had a siding that everybody's heard me looking through the night vision. But then I had another siding like thirty minutes later, of a completely
different one in the same general area. So there's two sidings back to back. But then you know, you can I can go on for you know, the next decade that I spent going out into the woods looking for them. But then I grew up in a haunted house. I've seen a UFO, I've seen an ORB. I mean, the list goes on and on, and the more people that I've interviewed and talked to, I see this time and time again that typically if you've experienced one thing, you've experienced multiple
things. Absolutely well. That's like I don't have any conscious memory of like abduction phenomena. But I have had two instances as an adult where I was really really sick with respiratory it would not go away. And in both instances
there were different dreams, but the same thing happened in both dreams. And that was at one point in the dream, a gray alien, classic gray alien appears in front of me. It's like sitting right in my face and with its little four fingered hand, it's holding a wand and it tapped me on the chest. And both times I woke up coughing and coughed up a bunch of green stuff and got well with them three or four days. Wow,
So how do you factor that in? Because I know it was a dream, Yeah, it did it pull some I mean, how do you do doctoring on the And that's another thing in the fairy Lord, the fairies would heal people. The fairies would come and heal people. That's that's a thing that I've heard in the family that oh Will, the good folk came
and got even fixed him, you know. And like I said, when things got really bad to where they you know, toward their medicine wouldn't fix something, often they would turn to their helpers, the gods, the fair folk, you know whatever, and petition them for help. And I've experienced that, but I don't know what that was. And like I said, I have no memories of abduction as a as an adult. I have vague, foggy memories of being with things that look like great aliens as a child,
but I don't know what that means. And the weird thing with that is I was scared of everything as a child, But in the dream, I'm at the end those dreams, whatever they are. I was with a group of children that I knew, group of children from the area, including my brother, and They're all freaking out and screaming and losing their minds and having nervous breakdowns. But I'm talking with the great beings, whatever that means.
And that is another thing in the old Lord. Is that the people of power, the people who had the healing abilities and the psychicabil whatever those are. I hate all those words, worked with them and would interact with them, and that they would teach them things. And but you know,
those memories are fucking They're probably just dreams. I mean, I don't I don't know what they are, although I have had things on my arm and on my leg that would appear when I would wake up and be like cut marks or like little hard things under the skin that weren't there the night before, and then maybe like a year or two or three later, would vanish at night. So you know, something's going on there. But yeah,
it's all it's all super weird. Yeah, yeah, super weird. And I hate the fact that that when you have one of these, you have all of them, because that just makes it all sound so so made up and so improbable and so you know, easy to eye roll and dismiss. But I almost think that the phenomena itself does not want to be revealed. Yeah, And I would just say to the people rolling their eyes whenever people
talk about this sort of stuff because of you know, how unbelievable. A lot of it can sound to pause for a second and just think about the person going through it and how they're trying to rationalize and understand everything that they're experiencing. Absolutely, and I would say too that the phenomena reveals itself to individuals. It does not want to do a it's not going on a press tour, you know. Yeah, it's not looking for clicks and likes on
Facebook. It's not you know, it's not trying to get attention. It reveals itself to individuals. And I do think that most encounters with any part of the phenomena is an invitation. You know. Sometimes it's an invitation to face fears. Sometimes it's an invitation to get the hell out, But it's always I think it's almost never by accident. This has been an absolutely fascinating conversation for me. I mean, wow, man, thank you so much
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