Ep. 337 - Class "A" Vs. Class "B" Sightings!

I still quite haven't shaken it because I've been out in the woods like two or three days this week because stuff is happening and the weather's uncooperative, and so I've been very, very wet, and even though I feel better, I just can't quite shake the end of my sickness because I keep going out in the rain to do things.

what we all use to throw around. And of course Matt Moneymaker for the BFROO, he made these terms up to kind of classify as his the sightings and reports that were coming in and generally speaking, uh, it has class A and class B that the real difference there, to put it very simply is how how much of a possibility of misinterpretation is there. I'm going to read

directly from the BFURO website right now. Class A Class A reports involve clear sightings and circumstances where misinterpretation or misidentification of other animals can be ruled out with greater confidence. For example, there are several footprint cases that are well documented. These are considered way footprint cases that are very well documented. These are considered class A reports because misidentification of common animals can be confidently ruled out. Thus, the potential for

misinterpretation is very low. Class B incidents where a possible sasquatch was observed at a great distance or in poor lighting conditions, or incidents in any other circumstance that did not afford a clear view of the subject are considered Class B. So basically, the difference between classifications relates directly to the potential for misinterpretation.

So maybe maybe the footprints do all belong in a Class B. I don't know what do you guys think.

it was just too intense. Yeah, you know.

than Class A reports. Both types are deemed credible enough by the bfro O to show in public. So that's really important here. But yeah, so I received a class b observation of a sasquatch on Saturday, because, like I mentioned, I'm covering hours on Saturday pretty much every Saturday. Anybody wants to come in and say hi, I will be at the NABC And this will be throughout pretty much the entire winter until things start picking up again. We kind of shift the winter hours as many many tourism

based into industries do, you know, or establishments do. But anyway, this guy comes in and I kind of know the guy. I mean I didn't. I didn't not well enough to recognize him. But when he told me so, oh, I emailed you about those prints, and blah blah blah. Oh yeah, yeah. He's actually emailed me several times before with really nice looking footprints that he is found in various places in Mountain Hood National Forest. He's a hunter, he's a mushroom forager,

he's just an outdoors guy in general. I trust what he says, because on at least two or maybe three occasions so far, he has sent me some really good, good looking footprints in the ground that I wasn't able to get out to unfortunately, because one of them was in one of my look one of the locations I like to frequent up there kind of by Timothy Lake, on the north side of Timothy Lake there, and then the others. The other that that happened a couple of

years before he told me about it. And then last November, I think it was the last November, he sent me a footprint photograph for south of Timothy Lake that looks really good. And of course that night it snowed pretty heavily, so I couldn't get out there. They couldn't get to the location. But anyway, I trust this guy because he's

proven himself to be a reliable observer. He's got a good eye for footprints, clearly, because if I can see them in a picture, they've got to be really good in the ground because pictures never never really turn out the way that you're looking at something in the ground, does, you know, It's just entirely different. But anyway, he was out on so I took the report on Saturday, but he was out on Friday foraging for mushrooms, because mushrooms

are just popping everywhere right now. It's an amazing season for mushrooms right now, and depending on what altitude you're going to, I've been seeing them all over too, Chantrell's and lobster, mushrooms and blats and the whole nine. They're all kicking right now pretty hard. So he was out the day before at a location that's not too far from one of my spots. It's close enough. It's probably about through two or three miles as the crowfly from one of my really good spots that I'd like to go to.

a bigfoot or somebody a big foot costume. And then Class C is like secondhand reports, so it's not directly for so if you talk to a class C person, you might actually get to the actual witness if you were to pursue that. But we don't like posting like secondhand stories because they're the two reliable we wanted in the in the in the words of a of a witness.

Class B is also sounds and track finds, and I think there's been occasions where I think there's only been a couple of what we had called Class A track finds.

Whether it was the tracks were so clear and so under you know, photographed, well I just couldn't be anything else, uh, and that we called that, But that I can't even remember the last time we had a track find as a Class A because it's just it's usually not that that convincing where you could show photos and say like like really good tracks in deep snow or deep tracks I shouldn't say not necessarily deep snow, but deep tracks in snow, showing that it was heavy in a big

long stride and it would have been like basically impossible to fake.

I would call it a B plus, you know. So it's that sliding scale is all about reliability, and some track finds are can be as just as reliable as a visual and but again I can't you remember the last time we did that. There's very few cases. I think I've only done it for two cases where it was where I called it. And it wouldn't even be the Patterson because we don't have the written submission from you know, from Bob Gimbling. Yeah, it's not even in the database the Patterson incident.

We just grab some Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Boba, are you starting to notice thinning hair?

up on top. I'm trying to hit the higher elevations right now before they get shut down by snow, because I bet you we probably have about two or three weeks left of getting those higher elevation spots before. I won't see him again until the snow melts in June or July. But anyway, he was out foraging for mushrooms at a location out there that I'm very familiar with. I've been to the spot several times, even though it's

not exactly at my precise location. And he was poking around a few hundred yards from his car, which he left on the road, and he saw a big chantrell big delicious orange yellowy mushroom that grows here in the fall. He saw a big chantraill that was gorgeous in a bush or a brush of something like that, you know, So he kind of squatted over. It wasn't on all fours, but he kind of like hunched down low and started pushing into the middle of the bush in order to

get the chantrelle. And as he did so, a short distance away I can't remember if he said thirty yards, maybe thirty forty yards somewhere, that's the feel I got. At least just a short distance away, he hears a sound that he interpreted as something standing up from either a sitting or lying or squatting position, you know. And of course that's his interpretation, not quite sure if that, but he said it sounded like some thing stood up in the brush. Ben it sounded kind of big, you know.

So he stopped for a minute and then and he looked over there. Then I guess he said he could hear the thing moving, although it was very very quiet, but he said he could hear the thing moving kind of like circling around him and kind of probably just positioning himself to move away, you know. And he's at this point he's thinking bear. He's like, oh, well, shoot,

I just served this big bear or whatever. And then I guess the thing grabs some tree and just shook the crap out of a tree, just just like violently shook this thing, and and then that was this guy's cue to go. He basically said that. He's like, well, it was pretty clear that I was wanted there, and I took that. I took that invitation to leave and did so. But in the meantime, as the thing was moving through the brush, he kept getting glimpses of black fur.

At some point and I asked him and say, well, I mean, could that have been a bear, because you know, bear's poke at trees and rub their back on them, and you know, just do that kind of thing sometimes, you know, it's not out of the question that it could be a bear. And he goes, now, I don't think so, man. It was just too big. I mean, the thing was as big as Murphy was. And Murphy is our bigfoot statue in the back of the NABC there,

and Murphy stands seven and a half feet tall. So he said that I saw a fur that was at least as high as your head and probably higher. That's the level of the fur that I saw above the ground. So he probably saw a sasquatch, is what I'm thinking. Yeah, I mean, I mean it sounds everything you need is there right, quietly moving through the woods, tree shaken, tall, black fur covered figure in the woods. And the area

is really good. The area is really there's never been sighting reports out of this specific area, but there's been stuff not that far away, you know, within five miles, as I said, And so yeah, I didn't have any reason to doubt the guy at all, especially since I've already kind of been interacting with him over the last couple of years, and I've already deemed him as a competent observer, so I got the directions best I could.

I tried to get the GPS coordinates, but he had his location services turned off on the phone when he took the photographs that he shared with me, so I wasn't able to get the exact location. But I mean he gave pretty good directions. He said, go to the end of the road. There's a there's you know, pull off on the side of the road right before the end, there's an obvious parking spot, which there was. Head down

downhill towards the creek. I'm about one hundred yards or so, and he says, you should see a big root ward turned over with a bunch of big mushrooms. And I'll tell you that, I'm pretty sure those are king bullets or bellets. I guess that's how you pronounce it. These giant mushrooms that grew up here, and they're really big. They've got away like the big ones, probably five to eight pounds because they're all just chalk full of water

and stuff. They're really large mushrooms. You can look them up. They were everywhere. I never found, in my opinion, I'm not sure I found the specific root ward he was talking about because he said there's a root wod with

large mushrooms on it. But there were so many blown over trees in this area that you know it had to be in there somewhere, because about one hundred or hundred and fifty yards down from the road there were all these blown down trees, and those big mushrooms were pretty common in the area, so it could have been

any one of those things. He says, at that point, you head off on the thirty forty yards at a forty five degree angle to the left, and that's where he was standing, and he did say that if you go a little further to the left, you'll run into an elk wallow, which I did. In fact, I ran into several elk wallows out there. There's a little a seat that comes out of the ground in that area, and right past that is a big swamp which I also ran into. So I know I'm in the approximate area.

And Keith and I did a lot of walking around. We actually filmed some stuff. It's not really enough to make a video for the members for the NABC or anything like that, but we did document it on video as best as we can. We found a couple like maybe footprints, but the tracking was in you know, we found elk, we found deer, there was there was bear sign mostly in the law of very very large turds.

But found a couple maybe tracks that like maybe, but like really not even enough to make me think probably just like, well, maybe that could be one. You know, there's two or three of them in a row here. Maybe that is one, don't know. And we just kind of gave it about an hour and a half two hours of walking around in the brush and it was raining and it was cold. It was like thirty eight degrees and it was raining pretty hard, and yeah, and then of course I'm walking through like, you know, six

foot tall BlackBerry brush or not BlackBerry blueberries. Thank god, I want to walk through blackberries stuff with blueberries. So I'm just drenched, just completely drenched and trying to get over my illness and all this other stuff. And I keep doing this to myself. But we didn't find anything

that we could really hang our hats on. But what I think is interesting is that on the drive out, you know, I've been talking about these tree breaks that we've been finding in a couple of my areas with these odd branches bent back upon themselves that I've nicknamed do dads and whatever else. And so I'm trying to pay attention to other locations that have tree breaks.

I'm not really good with my trees, but I'm pretty sure it was a cottonwood. It was still green, you know, which isn't that telling, but it was fairly fresh, I guess, you know, like last couple of months it was broken. There was this tree that was broken about seven or eight feet off the ground. I said, we'll stop and look at that one, because it was broken in the midst of a bunch of other trees that were not broken,

and in an odd direction that caught my eye. So when we got out and looked there, there seemed to be a footprint at the base of it, a big flattened area where something had pushed something. The ground had been pushed down. Basically all the all the needles and stuff were pushed into the dirt at that point, and it had what I interpret as a toe, one toe

impressed into the ground. I think it was fairly old though, because the toe that was impressed, if I'm right and it was a toe, it was kind of sheltered because it was pushed forward into the hill, so it had like a cave like structure, so which is why it didn't get washed out like the other ones may have been washed out because I think it was at least a few weeks old, at least a few weeks old,

maybe older, but anyway, that was of interest. So that all happened on Saturday, this past Saturday, So it was encouraging that we got another fresh report because there hasn't been a There have not been a lot of fresh reports in the last few months. In particular, We're expecting a few more over the over the summertime because we usually had some pretty good ones coming in, but it's been kind of slow.

that happens. How much that happens, I don't know, but I know it does happen that, you know, when they probably come in they don't realize that, you know, I hire, you know, pretty good people who are rather knowledgeable about Bigfoot and to various extents, you know, but they're probably looking for me to tell because they kind of know me, which is an odd thing.

today and I know that. You know, Melissa was in Pittsburgh and a couple of weeks ago or whatever in August, and he started telling me all these things about my life, and I said, yeah, it is weird that you know all these things. But again, I talk about it on the podcast, So of course people know things about my life, because if I can't talk about my life on the podcast, I've had nothing else to share.

would probably do it, you know what I mean. So I do think that to your point, when people come in, if you're there, if they've had an encounter and they feel reticent about it, they're more likely to tell you. And if they're at all reticent, they're not going to tell a total stranger, because at least they have a parasocial relationship with you.

that points me in the right direction. That's what any good sighting report that the main purpose isn't just the story, it's actually to point you in the right direction of where you should be looking. So and of course this one this past weekend just kind of reaffirmed that that area that I've already been working for a while is still active and still good.

Meltrim's collection. When he he died, you know, he left, he wanted me to have his stuff, basically his big foot stuff, which is obviously an extraordinary responsibility. And I can't tell you how humbling it is. And if I didn't have an inferiority complex beforehand, I certainly do now because I've got this tremendous wealth of knowledge from you know, my mentor, and he's he's passed me the baton to

do something appropriate I think with it. And the first step, I mean beyond just like the acquisition and getting it here and making sure that you know, everything was taken care of that the first step was integrating the footprint casts.

for you know, cooling off muffins or whatever. They work really well for footprints, apparently, because that's why I've been storing these things for years. That's the way we store them at the North American Big Foot Center. And they are these racks. They don't take a big floor space or like maybe eighteen by twenty four inches or something, maybe you know a little bit bigger, but approximately that.

And they have shelves like these trays that kind of slide into the shelves there, and each tray can hold between one and three or four casts, depending on the size of the cast. And so I've been and I store them, you know, alphabetic, alphabetically and chronologically within the alphabet, right.

So that's how I organized my footprint cast. And when I got doctor Meldrum's collection, which includes the Blue Mountain stuff, the first thing I did is I had to first I had to move all those shelves from my garage down to the outbuilding, which was a scary thing to do anyway, because I tried a couple methods, Like they have wheels on the bottom, so I tried rolling one down, but I've got that big hill on my driveway right,

so that was scary. And then when I got down to the gravel road, turns out those wheels suck on gravel roads, so that didn't work well. So I did that. I did a test run with kind of the rack that contained the hoaxes and some other stuff, you know, so if something broke, it wouldn't be a big deal.

but yeah, it's pretty gnarly. But anyway, so what I eventually had to do is I brought the tractor up, and then I put the racks on the tractor, on the on the front loader or the front end loader or the tractor, and I use ratchet straps and all these other things to like really really tighten it down,

and then I slowly backed up. And that seemed to be the most effective wave because I can bring down an entire rack, and of course I use ratchet straps to make sure that the trays themselves wouldn't slide out. And I went so slowly and so carefully, it took me probably cumulatively for the seventy nine ten, like maybe twelve racks I had. I bet it took me three hours to move all three of those rats, or all twelve of those racks.

where they needed to go. And I've had a lot of difficult choices to make because at the end of the day, you know, it's like, say, for example, I have an original cast from doctor Meldrim, Like I'll just like a nineteen eighty seven cast from the Blue Mountains from the Freeman collection or something like that, So I put that in front of the appropriate rack, and then of course I already have a copy of that cast.

You know, I had a there were many mini casts in doctor Meldrim's collection that I already had copies of, you know, because he was one of my main sources of getting foot pretty casts.

to be kept. I think doctor Krantz's copy is important enough to keep because that's a piece of history right there. And then the doctor Meldrim copies if he wrote on the back, he has a designation of how he labeled his casts that I still haven't quite figured out yet, Like they have like a D thirty seven or something on the back, and I don't I haven't found the key yet to that, so I'm not sure what I'm looking at as far. And I know what the cast is.

I know where came from, because I'm well versed in the history of footprint casts, particularly the Blue Mountain stuff, but I don't know that particular designation. If it was, I could have told you, well that's a different thing. That's a different thing. But yeah, so I haven't found those yet, so I'm kind of working on it. So anyway,

I've been faced with a lot of dilemmas. Which wants to keep, which wants to get rid of, you know, And some of these might be of interest maybe some NABC members, you know, because remind you, like I also inherited doctor Meltrim's molds for these same casts. So if doctor if Jeff had a copy of one of these casts. Well, I have the mold for it. I can just make another copy and it'll be the exact same as his version of it. So do I keep that one too?

So I don't know. There's a lot of decisions to make.

But that stuff's really expensive. And if I remember, doctor Krantz somehow came across maybe two or one or two fifty five gallon drums of that material, so which is why he was using it. And Meldrum I think obtained those same drums that he had not finished yet and made some molds out of that. Those are great, but he also made latex molds kind of like the ones I use now, I use water based latex for copying prints with the latex molds. I suspect, and I don't

know this. I don't know this for a fact. I'm probably one of our listeners does. But I suspect that the latex that doctor Krantz and maybe the ones that doctor Meldrum used were perhaps ammonia based latex, because I don't like the smell of ammonia, so I never used that stuff, but I think there's reasons that some people prefer that. And because all the latex molds that came with the collection were pretty dry. Many of them were brittle or cracked in a certain place, and they were

just very very dry. So actually, three or four nights last week, you know, like after Melissa went to bed or whatever, she goes a bit earlier than I do, so nine or ten o'clock at night, I'm out there in the outbuilding reconstituting those latex molds. I looked up how to do that. You soak them in water, you spray them down with the solution and stuff, and I've actually reinvigorated all of doctor Meldrum's molds, those latex molds and many of those I believe came from Krantz. I'm

not sure. Really interesting stuff though out there, really interesting casts. So there's a lot of originals. I'll be just beyond the Blue Mountain stuff. There's a lot of original casts in there that are fascinating. Some stuff I have no idea where it came from. They're not labeled, so I've got some sleuthing to do. But also to get to our story point here, I also inherited doctor Meldrim's files, you know, which included the Vance Orchard files and doctor

Krantz's files as well. Apparently I didn't know Vance Orchard stuff was in there, but it is. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. And then of course doctor Krantz's files super interesting, and then doctor Meldrim's files as well. So and I think I counted, was it eighteen of those big totes you know right now out of my garage full of papers and other things.

But anyway, there's a lot of treasures and a lot of really interesting historic pieces out there, and one of the ones I ran into recently, I'm kind of I'm starting to familiarize myself now that the cast room is close to being done. I started branching out because you got to dive into this pile of papers at some point, right and so I've started going through them and leafing through them and seeing what's in here, and just kind of getting a feel for what's in the boxes right

before I start organizing them all. And one of the things that I ran across that I just found so interesting. I just shared this with the DABC members last week, so members, you've already seen this, but this is worthy of a discussion. I believe it was a letter from Bob Tipmos. Now, Bob Tipmos, everybody knows is a veteran Bigfoot researcher, he's been there from the beginning. He's the guy that instructed Jerry Crewe how to take footprint casts, which is what gave us the word bigfoot and also

our first Bigfoot footprint cast. You know. So Bob Timmos was in it from the very very beginning. Doctor Krantz referred to as one of the most competent observers he knew. So good guy. But anyway, there's a letter to a It says, dear George, and we don't even know who George is at first, but I had later George Hast. Well, it turns out it is George Haass, but there were a couple other options. But I thought it was George Haass, but I confirmed it was George Haas because of some

other historic notes from the Bayery Group collection. You know, there's some stuff that he wrote back in the day.

nineteen seventy. Pretty good ways back right.

miles from here. I read your letter and my other mail somewhere between here and Utah. Since returning, I've been out in the bush for the most part of the time. An answer to your question, to the best of my recollection, on a few occasions I have heard the rock pounding sound that you describe, but as best as I can recall, I arrived at no conclusion as to what was responsible

for this noise, and was only puzzled about it. These cases could all well have taken place before I started to seriously investigate and to hunt Bigfoot, some twelve or thirteen years ago. I just can't remember. However, if this were the case, I would not have associated it with Bigfoot. Bill Hampton has a valid thought regarding bears snapping their jaws. However, I doubt that an experienced woodsman would ever confuse a

bear popping his teeth with the rock pounding sound. By the way, especially in dealing with grizzlies, when they start popping their teeth at you, it's prudent to be prepared for a charge, for they do this both as a warning and challenge. Give old hamp my hello and good wishes next time you see him. Haven't seen him for fifteen years. In nineteen fifty eight or nineteen fifty nine, Art Long and myself were tracking bigfoot on Upper Bluff Creek.

These tracks were fresh as you'll ever find. Shortly after they left the creek and started climbing the mountain, we were brought up short by what sounded like something pounding on a rather hollow tree or perhaps log with a very big club. These sounds were being made in what could have been taken to be a coated series. Eventually I found a large stick and a log and started

pounding out a series of my own. Each time I stopped my series of pounding, it was repeated from above exactly, both in timing and the number of blows I had struck, only very much louder. This continued for some fifteen or twenty minutes, whereas this story or experience is much too long to recount here. At this time, I am just as convinced today as Art and I were that day. It happened that one of the Bigfoot creatures was doing the pounding some thirty or forty yards ahead of us

in the dense timber and undergrowth. Art refused to move one step further in that direction and wanted only to return post hace. So my investigation of the area the sound had come from was done rather hurriedly, was incomplete, and did not prove anything one way or the other. Don't bother yourself, George, wondering if it could have been any of the usual animals or another human. It wasn't. We've already been through that. Hoping the above will be

of some little help to you. I'll say bye for this time and be off to the bush near Hazelton again. All the best wishes, Bob, tipmos.

or something, like that. I've run across other things that were observed i'll say, discovered in nineteen fifty eight or fifty nine, including tree snaps and tree twists. Like some of these things that we kind of take for granted, they were there from the very very beginning, and tree knocking is apparently one of them. It's so interesting to me that doctor Meldrum, I think, finally came around to the tree knocking thing, but for many many years he

was like, I don't know about that. Because even in June, when I got to spend so much time with him before he passed in June, he says, so, Cliff, you really think these things knock? They go absolute one hundred percent.

dot com. If there's an earlier reference to tree knocking in any sort of way, I would love to know about it, because that's, you know, November of fifty eight or fifty nine, that Bob Tipmos is down a Bluff Creek and tracking a Sasquatch and this is what he this is what he heard down there. And it's not only did he hear knocking, hear the pounding, but he would do it and it would copy him. That's super significant because that's the kind of thing that occasionally happens

even still today. But right there in November of fifty eight or fifty nine, Bob Tipmos was pounding cadence and number of pine and like those things were being answered in kind to imitate his own pounding in the depths of Bluff Creek, and Bluff Creek's a wild place today. I can only imagine what it was like in fifty eight or fifty nine.

and I don't know what it is. But maybe again, maybe one of our listeners does and they can send it her away. But I don't think this is the first time that rock clacking was associated with it. But to my knowledge, tree knocking is so. But who's art long?

Creek Museum. But oh, speaking of the Willow Creek Museum, do you guys see the new documentary. I watched it myself, and I hardly ever watch any bigfoot stuff.

see we're kind of running out of time here. As a quick teaser, I found you know, obviously, I have the original five point tracks from Meldrum in nineteen ninety six, and Jeff kept a stack of photographs in the same drawer as his casts from the Five Points area ninety six.

Those are the ones that he details in this book at the beginning of his book and talks about all the details he saw, and it's what really convinced him that these animals are real and that he would be negligent of his duty as an anthropologist to ignore this question, especially when he was so perfectly qualified to look into this particular kind of evidence, you know, as being an

expert in foot anatomy than by pedalism. So I've got those the original casts now, and as well as much of photographs of those footprints in the ground, as well

as probably a dozen or more others. Just the other night, like two nights ago, maybe I opened a file and there were other photographs from that same scene, including a picture taken by Jeff's brother that of doctor Meldrum like kneeling down documenting one of the footprint casts, which is really interesting and a snapshot into history, because it was that moment that really solidified I think Jeff was very

interested in the subject. But it was that moment which was which was Jeff's first in person contact with the evidence, you know, and that's what really did it for him. And so I ran across a photograph of him examining these footprints in the ground, as well as handwritten notes.

I don't know if they're from the scene because there's no dirt or anything on him, but he might have written them directly afterwards, but it is definitely his handwriting talking about that day, about how he visited Summerlin and these other people were present, and then he visited Paul who and Paul didn't remember who he was at first,

and all that kind of stuffs. And then there's some handwritten drawing or hand drawn sketches of the footprints in the ground with various anatomical features pointed out and things like dat dramaticallythics evident on medial side of this and that and whatever. So yet, that kind of stuff is what really tickles my fancy because it's snapshots in the history that we're still benefiting from. You know, doctor Meldrim was a giant in our field.

it was. We bring families to the complex because you know that there's a bar, there's a pizza place, there's a coffee place, and an awesome burrito place, and that's it and besides us, right, so we bring families in who wouldn't normally be there otherwise, and they go to other businesses and order coffee or food or whatever. We get it. We've been on the Discovery Channel, We've been on Animal Planet, We've been on History Channel. We get

international visitors like almost every week. I mean we had people from the Netherlands day and the UK on Saturday when I was there both that same day. What other thing in Boring, Oregon? Does that, you know? I mean, it's not a slight against Boring Oregon.

they recognize us, and they were there. My landlords were exceedingly gracious when we renegotiated our lease. So I think I'm just gonna bide my time unless something drops in

my lap, that's perfect. I'm just going to bide my time and save money for that initial down payment on that commercial loan that it would be necessary because because otherwise I got to have to refinance, you know, things that I have and stuff, and it's like it's just a big and the museum doesn't get to buy the property, you know, Cliff and Melissa have to buy the property, you know, which is which changes the dynamic of the interaction quite a bit, you know, when I'm when I'm

buying a big building and stuff like that. So it's a little complex. But luckily, our rent is so forgiving at this point that I can do with a slightly smaller than wished facility for the sake of saving money for a better one someday. You know, I can sock this money away because they expect to really like a ten to fifteen percent down payment and these and the commercial building the size that we need is not going to be cheap.

like I can't see their praises high enough. So anyway, Yeah, they're aware that we need a larger building, and they're aware that we're kind of halfway keeping an eye out and if something drops my lap, great, But in the meantime, my rent is so forgiving that I might as well stay there and just you know, out with the old and of the new. Like the next few months, we'll be pulling out some of the old displays that we've had up for a couple of years and putting brand

new ones in. I've got a couple of new photographs. I have photographs of sasquatches that I have permission to use by their owners, so I'll be putting those up here. Of course, we have the doctor Meldrum and doctor Krantz collection as well to integrate somehow. And Brian Smith, the veteran bigfoot researcher, just gave me the original co cuter bill cast. I want to make a display out of that. We got to have him on as a guest as well.

There's a lot of cool things coming up, and wintertime is our time to do it because summer's too busy with customers. We just can't we can't pull away. But wintertime gets a little quiet and lonely in the NABC, so it gives us more time to improve the place.