Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and rade it five star and me just go on yes today listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay. Okay, well, without much left to do, why don't we bring in our guests today? This is an exciting thing for us. A few weeks ago, I think a member, right, Bobo,
a member said hey, have you ever heard of this band? We looked them up and we said, why haven't we heard of this band? I heard of him? You had heard of him? Really? Where did you hear about him? They've been around for a long time. Well, I had never heard of them. But you know me, man, my my head is in the sands as far as like media things go. Now, I'm gonna have to put you on the spot. Are you aware of there? Did you know neither song? Bobo? Where you just heard that
there was a band? I mean I checked them out. I seen like there are artwork of their albums and like the titles of the songs, and you know, I liked it. They have They always had really cool stuff. Well, yeah, they clearly have the right vibe. Otherwise it wouldn't be on our show today. So well, of course when I say they, I mean one of these guys. Yeah, today we have the singer Dash, Growler, Dash, screamer Dash, Whooper Dash Dash vocalist vocalizer for
the band Trogladite. So, Jeff Sisson, thank you so much for coming on Bigfoot and Beyond and sharing your your beautiful tunes with this. I think you are my new favorite band, even though I've never heard one of your songs. Well, thank you. That's that's that's quite a send up. That's I appreciate that. And you know, listen, you know it's uh, it's it's pretty extreme, I say the least. Yeah, I mean it's not for everybody. I get that. It's for almost everybody, though,
I'm sure. Well, I'll tell you if you are, if you're a fan of death metal and Bigfoot, then we are definitely for you. Yeah. It's kind of the main two, like the main two ingredients of this recipe, isn't it. Yeah? Pretty much. I mean I can remember thinking like kind of coming up with the idea to do something like this
and thinking, uh, there were a few niche bands. The bands they took this, uh the genre of like extreme music, and they like there's a band called Nile and all they sing about is very Egyptian themed stuff. So uh, and there's a few bands like that, and uh, I can honestly say it's like, uh, I had never heard of a bigfoot death metal band. Yeah, I can't say I have either. What about you, Bobo, you got a corner on the market then, yeah,
I mean I don't know what kind of corner. It's a pretty very small corner, you know. So but yeah, you know, and I you know, I came from like this weird world of like you know, when I was a kid, I was absolutely fascinated by this stuff. So it was a it was a try, you know, venturing into music and coming up with what are we going to do? And it didn't take a lot to come up with this, honestly. So, I mean I guess in forethought, it's you would think you'd run out of material eventually, So no
way, no, not even close, Like how could you? Right, Well, that's just it. It's like, you know, that's what Pete. That's the first thing people say. It's like it's all Bigfoot. It's like there's two songs that aren't aren't about Bigfoot. That's too too many. Well, and you know the funny The funny thing is those the two songs are literally like two seconds long and they're the same song, just with different
names. One and a half song. Well, that's okay, because I mean in my own life, I find that I have to have balance, right, and ninety nine and a half percent of my life has seems to be a Bigfoot centric so I do have to have balance as well, so I can understand a song and a half that isn't about Bigfoot being appreciated by
you guys. Well, I mean, you know, it's there's so many you know, you look at it on the surface, it's like, okay, well you know, what are you going to say about you know, it's like, well, you know, there's because there is there's so much material to kind of mine from for lack of a better word, you know, So that's when you start, really because I know i'd shared I messaged
j Bobo yesterday and I couldn't remember. I had assumed that, you know, you came across to some some way and I'd shared like our band camp link which you can see all the ridiculous artwork and the songs, and it's like, I mean, you start digging into some of this stuff, it gets kind of you know, if you're you're a bigfoot metal band, that's
one thing. But when you start getting into stuff like I got a song called Mummified Yetty Hand And I'm pretty sure you guys know exactly what I'm talking about when I say that things exactly, So, I mean it's a little obscure, but you know, again, I'm in that world. You know, I'm keeping it inside that world. You know, I take some liberties with stuff, you know, certain things obviously at times. But like we wrote a song called Oregon Trail, which was I think at the time,
my little dude was really into that video game. Like they kind of reissued this like crazy looking handheld version of it for kids, and you know, I just kind of added, you know, there was you know, You've died of dysentery, you know, the various things, and I added one of them was big Foot eight my legs. Yeah, that was strangely missing from the original game of h Absolutely, I feel like it was definitely a real threat. You guys must a lot pretty hard to put, like write
in these songs. It's honestly again, like I sit down when I close my eyes and it's like, you know, I work with some pretty amazing musicians, and probably the way we work most is like they'll be jamming some music. They'll come up with a riff or a song idea, and they'll play it for me and we'll kind of demo it out for lack of a better word, and they'll give it to me and that I'll use that as
a template to write the song against. You know. So when I'm doing it, I'm pretty siloed, you know, Like the guys are like kind of waiting for me to come back and like, all right, what do you got? You know. So that's when I come up. You know, it's like all right, well this one, you know, I think we're gonna go, and I will. I'll come up with like the most Like on the last album we did, I did a song called found Guilty in a wrong full death lawsuit for shooting a man wearing a big book costume.
That's a catchy title. Yeah, it rolls off the tongue. I can't believe I actually got it out without dropping the ball on it. As I said, I like the murderous five pedal hominin rampage. Yeah. I mean, like I said, my thinking was too, if I'm gonna write this stuff, I have to at least I have to make good on it. You know, I can't just be lobbing things out that if somebody was to call me to the mat on, I can stand behind it. You
know. It's like, no, that's a real thing, dude. Sometimes there's certain things, just like I think back to watching you know, obviously Legend of Boggie Creek, or the one that really got me was Mysterious Monsters, and that's the one that Man, there's probably a good ninety percent of our material was mine just from a watching a viewing of that movie because there's so much going on in there, and especially in the big it's really kind
of scary. You know. It's like those creepy sun Classic movies. I always thought they were kind of marketed for families and I don't know, and you know, when I was, you know, little, it was like in seeing that commercial for Legend of Boggie Creek, which is a rated G movie, I mean, I couldn't. To me, I was like I don't know, man, that looks pretty scary to me. I mean, that looks really scary, especially when you're a little kid, you know.
But there was definitely an intrigue about it, and yeah, I get asked, and I'm sure you know, you guys get to ask this a lot too. You know. It's like, you know, you guys, you know, do you believe you know what? You know? You obviously there's something going on there, and it's like, yeah, you know, and
I kind of like I try not to push it either way. I like kind of like part of my thing was it's like that idea that there could be something that really exists just beyond the tree line that we can't see, or that somebody has seen or they'll discover tomorrow, or like that that curiosity of like when you're younger and you know, trying to find these things, and that to me was always a spark. You know, that was the
truth arc of it. I'm obviously pretty ate up with sostquatch in general, so I just took it one step further and it just seemed like a good and you know, and we wear masks and we've got this like crazy you know, I'm not going to say it's real crazy. It was just but you know, it was just we did some things, and coming from a marketing background, it's like, well, what else can we do to really draw people in? You know, It's like, we'll come up and I
do special effects for movies. So it was a no brainer for me to be able to design masks and kind of a costume that we wear that's kind of this very ambiguous like creepy faces that are up on the stage. Do you guys have to attract bigfoot witnesses that like eyewitnesses that kind of your show I want to like talk to you. Yes, yes, and it's again it is it is so And again, I don't profess to be an expert
by any means other than of ridiculousness. I'm definitely an expert on that sou But it is really interesting to me to be able to have the opportunity to meet these people and hear about their experiences and how genuinely moved these people are. And I know you know exactly what I'm talking about, you know, because you know there's a certain percent of the people that they're not going to
believe. But it is really interesting to have an opportunity to meet a lot of these people and the fan and kind of bring them the worlds together a little bit. You know, I love death metal and you guys, Oh my gosh. When I was a kid and I lived just outside of Portland, one time we saw something molested in our dog out back of the you know, the shit you know or whatever, and it's it's it's interesting. I mean, it really is truly a phenomena like nothing else that I've ever
encountered in my life. What about your band Mites? Were they were they in the squad stuff for was it just kind of like just they just go along with you? The inception of all this. So I was living in I live in the in Kansas City. That's where my home is now,
and that's where I was from at the time. I was I'm pretty sure I was living out in LA I was working on some pretty no budget films, doing monsters and the blood and guts and stuff, and I had this idea about doing I'd watched this movie called The Pit, and which isn't necessarily
a bigfoot film by any stretch of the imagination. It's at all. It's about this little little boy that he finds a hole in the ground and there just happens to be these three troglodytes, these cave things living in the hole, and he takes people that he doesn't like and he pushes them into the pit. Yeah, as one does. Absolutely, And I just thought that name was so like Troglodyte. That what a great name. That's a great name. Like why isn't there a band called Troglodyte. Somebody had told me.
It's like, you'll never have a great band if it doesn't have three syllables, you know, it's like aerosi. Oh okay, okay, troglodyte. Oh yeah, yeah that works. That works. But so I've watched that movie and then very close together I saw another movie called Knight of the Demon, which is kind of this lost Bigfoot movie that is just operating on another plane. I mean it is the silliest, craziest, most bizarre thing
ever. And it just hit me right there. It was like, man, I need to do a if I'm gonna do this band thing or give it a go, this is I think what I want to do. And uh, I called my buddy. I had a really good friend of mine, Chris Wilson, and he played drums very he was really musically inclined, and I kind of sold it to him. I said, what do you think about doing this? And it was a hard sell, Like what was his resistance about this? I think the whole I could because I sold it.
All right, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna I'm gonna make masks. All right, We're all gonna kind of wear the same mask, but it's gonna make us look really creepy, and we're gonna sing songs and it's gonna be like death metal, but it's all gonna be about Bigfoot. And it was just like, what are we doing? What do you want to do? So it was a little bit of a hard sell at first, so I said, you know, I said, I tell you what, Let's do this. We roped in a couple other guys to kind of
round out the band. I said, let's do this. Let's let's work on write and some songs. If the songs stink, everything else is doesn't matter, okay, So let's work on writing some at least in this genre of music. Let's try to make something that people that we know that people that like this are going to love it. I remember saying, think about it like an onion, like and the more you peel away, the more
you find right. So they because obviously you're going to hear the music, and then you find out it's like wait a minute, they're singing wait or singing about big everything's about Bigfoot, okay, and they're wearing masks. What's going on? So it's like the more you get into it, you know you're kind of it's again coming from a marketing world, this is like marketing one on one. What can you do to keep pulling people in, keep
them back coming back for more. So we worked really hard on the first set of songs that we pushed out, and then once we got that stuff and we thought that, okay, we're really comfortable with this, let's kind of start rolling some of these other pieces in. Let's put on these masks. And we went out we played these songs and we didn't and it was just like no interaction with the crowd. It was like song song, song, song song, and then we were done. We just walked off and
the idea was like what just happened? Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo we'll be right back after these messages. The Trouble Bands kicked off in what year? It looks like your first album came out in maybe two thousand and eight, is that right? We had started playing and writing material. I believe it was in late two thousand and five, and into two thousand and six, we were working on stuff pretty pretty regularly,
and you know, we weren't playing shows. We were just working on songs. And then once I feel like we did some demos and I feel like Welcome to Boggy Creek I think we put out. It came out in two thoy and eleven. I think was when we actually released that one our first studio. I happened to be looking at metal archives dot Com and look, yet, I do see that Welcome to the Boggy Creek is twenty eleven, and then above that it says Anthropoid Efigy Demos, which is a demo.
I guess it's not a fun Yeah, we were, yeah, yeah, that was the original set of songs that we'd kind of written and we recorded, and I just wasn't ever really totally happy with that. So that's why it never got put out. Let's put that aside. Let's keep working on other stuff. And that's what we did, and a lot of those songs ended up on Welcome to Boggie Creek. And it's funny. Over the years we went back to that demos and we've re recorded and added stuff to newer
albums. I said, I think we can. I think we can get it dialed in just a little more. And when by the time we got all the tracks together for Boggie Creek, we were really firing on all cylinders, all all Bigfoot cylinders, so to speak. So fantastic. So certainly not all of your inspiration comes from you know, those early seventies movies and the schlock stuff in the seventies. Have you done You must have done reading, because you aren't going to pick up pan busche hand or something like that
from one of these the nineteen seventies documentaries. Really, I mean, I know what was in there, But where does the Bigfoot information come from? Is it just online searching or is it a books that you read? Yeah, lots of books, man, I've got I've got some crazy books that Again, being kind of having a foot in the special effects world, I can sculpt and do things of that nature. There's a guy here in Missouri.
I was fortunate enough his names. He's a paleo artist named Gary Stop and for lack of a better he makes dinosaurs and he one of the more recent things he did a megalodon for the Smithsonian, that life sized megalodon that it's hanging above. It's in the restaurant. But that's kind of what he's known for. And I know, working with him, he was totally fascinated by the stuff I was doing, and he was like, Hey, have
you read this book or what about this book? You know, and coming across people that are like, hey, there's a really cool big footbook. You know, not necessarily just nonfiction, but fiction books and stories and stuff of that nature. I try to do, you know, I try to put in the effort, you know, as well as I do. There's
there is a whole world of things floating out there to dig into. You have the song Caught on super eight oh yeah, yeah, yeah, which which is a little a little misleading, I guess, because caught on sixteen millimeter doesn't really have the ring that I wanted. Okay, I was gonna check it on that see. Yeah, but I appreciate that you're keeping me honest there. Yeah, but Bobo is the official Bigfoot fact checker of all metal bands. By the way, No, I mean yeah, you know,
caught on sixteen millimeter. This wasn't rolling for me. But yeah, the most part, that's yeah, absolutely, I mean you know exactly what I'm talking about when you read through that, you know, I'm I mean, I think even in the the lyrics, I I call it out pretty pretty hard. I mentioned Bob Gamblin Patterson. I mean, that's that's what I'm saying about. I mean, you know, it's like, yeah, I just you know, try to find an interesting angle to take with it.
Do you have a song about Ape Canyon? I don't. You don't. Did you know this is the one hundred year anniversary of the a Canion event. This might be a good opportunity for you to. I don't know if you can hear that Cliff that is the feverish writing of this pencil to this pad. I can hear that. I can hear. I can also hear you think, so be careful with what Yeah. No, no,
that's one that I haven't ventured into. Well. Yeah, the one hundred year anniversary is on July tenth of this year, twenty twenty four, and this is a great opportunity for you to kick that one out out of that of that pen that you're scrolling with at this moment. So perfect. I love it. I mean, yeah, there's nothing that uh I think there's and you know, I know there's a lot of other stories to be told, but yeah, it's it's funny how there's things that I come across there,
like, uh, there's a crippled foot cast. Uh huh. I mean I'm obviously referring to again going back to something where I always think back to Grover Krantz and holding up the uh, the plaster foot cast and pointing out this like whole uh you know anomaly that these bones and this. I mean, you know who on earth would write a song called crippled foot cast? Gush? I am, I am, I'm that's I appreciate that. I mean, you know if you I mean, I don't know if you
could, if you dig into this stuff. It's like I'm gonna because I I really did. I tried to do my homework. It's like I say, crippled foot cast with dermal ridges captured in hydrocl impressions a malformation, a skewed foot condition, a thousand footprints left behind in the snow. There actually were no dermal ridges in the cripple Foot cast, and it was casting Blaster of Paris, not hydra Hell. And I'm so sorry about that. But again, you've come on big with them beyond I think to have us fact
checked you yes, and you have to because you know. And also is with any movie or music, you know, you've got a little bit of suspension of disbelief. Of course, yeah, some artistic liberty perhaps, right, definitely, but the fact that you know, again, I'm trying to think when you know, I can't remember a lot of you know, and I'm a big music fan all around, but I can't remember hearing a lot of songs where anyone's singing about dermal ridges. Does the Ameron have anything?
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah, Yamaron has one, you know, the great Tom Yamaron, the big footballadre. I think you've I do not. I really hope that there's going to be an exchange of information. Oh yeah, well, well I've planned is bad with him. We'll let you open for us sometimes go to get It's kind of like folk rock, bigfoot
folk rock. He's the Bob Dillan, a Bigfoot. I think if you're looking to clear out a crowd, we are definitely the band to get This sounds like a challenge, sounds like a wonderful opportunity for an introvert like myself. You know, I've got you know, we've gotten these opportunities like where I'll get these messages from different Hey we're having this. You know, we're
having a like a conference. Yeah, these different collections of people where they get these get togethers, and so we'll say, hey, we're doing this, and then we're you have any interest for your band, like maybe playing? And I'm thinking, did you guys like listen? I appreciate that, but I said, I don't know if we're the band for you. I really don't. We're pretty niche too. It's interesting. I just think it's
funny. But you know, you know, once somebody I was telling another guy that was a buddy of mine, I was talking to you today. He happens to be the troglodyte lawyer. And because you know we need one, well, I think most lawyers are troglodites. Honestly, I got to tell you he's a chip is a pretty pretty straight shooter with upper management written all over him. So, but we were just talking, you know,
we're talking. It's like we it's funny, like how you were saying, how Bobo said, we were totally not off your radar, but you knew that we existed. But we're we've been very organic how people find this. We don't have an advertising budget. We don't have you know, we're not aggressively promoting ourselves, you know, so it's real interesting that people have found
us. It's probably not you know, if you're a band and you're looking for some measure of fame or getting out to the masses, it's not the best way to go about it. No, No, I disagree, because you're a big foot band and therefore you should be a little hard to find. Exactly. Making ourselves a little elusive is not a bad thing. Like,
I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I mean, some might argue that with you, and it can be detrimental to what you're trying to do if you're wanting to achieve a certain like you want to get your word out. But no, Cliff, I totally agree with that. When you open up our music in a CD or there's no pictures of us, there's nothing. It's very scant information, you know, it's purposeful. We wear masks like I created these masks, and we all kind of wear the
same kind of mask. It's kind of taking the the uniqueness away from the individual. I remember watching bands play and the guy I was standing next to saying something about, oh man, he's got on a SO and so shirt. I love that band. And how distracted people become when they're watching these bands play, you know, And I thought, well, if I make us all we're all wearing the same mask, and we're wearing the same black
shirts, and we look at this very ambiguous look. That's just kind of but scary, you know again, not putting everything out on the table, not playing all, you know, not playing all of our cards, kind of keeping a little bit of mystery, not you know, not really pushing out in the world that hey, yeah, I'm in trougla. I you know, I don't Plus it makes anything to replace any uh acting up members. Bobo, you are dead on. I mean, uh, we've been
very fortunate. We don't have a huge turnover in our in our camp. But you know, you're absolutely right I mean it is it's the it's about the music not the person, which is kind of against the rock and roll mentality death metal. Yeah dude, yeah, I mean the way, you know, the way music is. The landscape of music has changed a lot in the last ten years, in the last five years, so you know, it's really easy to everybody can record. Now. You can go in
your bedroom and record a whole album in an afternoon if you want. And I understand that. And again, trying to do something that's a little different, a little off the path, you know. We take the left hand path a little bit, you know, and it's usually overgrown with brush and there's footprints you can take cast. So that's a path we've chosen to take.
So sign me up. I was wonder, what's uh, what are some cool stories that you heard from people that are kind of your shows and going like, oh you guys are you know, like they like they start telling like their story. How do you think that really caught your attention? There was a I remember when we toured out West, I want to say it was in twenty fourteen or twenty sixteen. Maybe that was the last time I think we really and like we'll play out. I feel like we play
out wes More that like Colorado and Denver and stuff. But I remember so I remember playing a. We played a it was the it was the Foot I think it was called the Foothills gut Fest. I'm sure you guys know all about this, and I believe that was in Fort Collins, and I remember we were kind of like it was it was a lot of this particular kind of It was a lot of death metal bands, and it was a lot of and a very specific kind of death metal band they call slam.
It was a very specific genre. So we kind of stuck out a little bit anyway, just with how we look and then our sound. But I remember this kid had came over to the table and he was telling me a story about how that when he was little, that somebody had stolen like the car from the driveway. And he said, and this was really funny. I don't know if this was like he said, well, you know, everybody said it was his uncle, but you know, he said, I'm
convinced it was Bigfoot. And I said, oh really, and he's like yeah, He's like well, and I just remember being like very taken back. He's like, well, what makes you think that Bigfoot could drive a car? You know, I mean, I said, for all intents, I said, I'm just going to play Devil's advocate here. I said, you know, I mean, I'm thinking I think of Bigfoot in terms of
an as an animal. And I said, so, what makes you think that he, you know, he could actually get behind the wheel of this car and want to steal your your mom's Ford Taurus out of the driveway. Uh. He said, well, what makes you think that he can't logic and basic intelligence? Dude? I mean that's one that I was well, and it's funny because I revisited that story later in music. Oh really,
and one of the songs is about that. Yeah. I was like, there was a song on the last album that we did called speed Kills, and I kind of took a high level swipe at it, you know, about Bigfoot. I mean, it's about Bigfoot stealing the car. These guys, it's these guys hit a big foot with a car, and they're so excited. They're like, oh my god, we hit a big foot with
our car. We're going to be rich. We've actually literally done the unthinkable here, We've caught one and as they're sitting there celebrating the big what gets up and he takes off in their station wagon? Oh? Very Harry and the Henderson's like yeah, you know it's a total yeah, but I remember thinking about that whole stealing the car thing. You got another Henderson's reference song, yeah, yeah, on the Boggy Creek. We've got a son called
hit by the Henderson's. Yeah, it's a low hanging fruit. You know, first album. We got to get them all out and get get the hits out there. So did you ever have anyone come up and tell you like a like a legit story that I was like, well, that was that was pretty rad one. I mean I can think of like handfuls of people saying that they'd seen something or they you know, they were out camping and they heard the noise, you know, the sounds, but nothing that
really sticks out in my mind, you know, other than this. The the thing that always stuck out to me when people were describing like their experience or the incident or whatever it was, was just them and how involved they were, you know, beyond the story itself. Did you try to come out to their location, like we got bigfoots out where I'm and you should come out. I can't ever remember that other than you know, very high level. It's like, you know, Portland, you guys ought to come
out here. This is Bigfoot country, you know that kind of stuff. But nothing like a ranch address out in the middle of Utah or anything. Nothing like that. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Do you ever go squashing yourself? You know, I wouldn't, not on the level that you're probably talking about. Well, I mean, just go to an area specifically because like
bigfoots have been thought to have been reported there. No, not not specific, just other than you know, I spent a lot of time in the woods when I was a kid. I mean I grew up in the sticks. So yeah, you know, Momo, I've been to Foul twice and it was before the Monster mart existed, so I need to like and for whatever reason, we've never really toured through there, which seems criminal. And you know it's funny. I've got I know, we've got a mutual friend,
Lyle Blackburn. Yeah, I was gonna bring that up actually, just because I mean, so much of your your your music seems to be I mean centered around me, not centered. But you know it's right there in the name, the name of your album. You know it says, you know, boy Creek right there. And also when I was looking at your album art, uh, the Don't Go in the Woods specifically, is that the same artists who did Lyle's book cover? Yes, there you go.
Yeah, I thought I recognized the style. It's fantastic. I thought like familiar to Yeah, Lyle was he reached out to me. Probably it was for the first album and he was writing for room Ord, the horror magazine. He wrote a pretty awesome article for us or about us for room Orde. Uh, right before the first album came out, And we've kind of kept in touch ever since. You know, we talked from time to time. I'm talking to him for a while. He's a he's a busy dude.
Man. I always get a kick out of Like, I'll hear my my wife is big on. She's if I love Bigfoot, she's even ten times more than me. But I'll hear the squeal like from the other room. Lyle's on like she sees him on the show. So let's let's hit her on there where they went to that amusement park today. Okay, have you ever heard Lyle's band? I've seen him once. They were playing,
Uh they did Gosh. I think it was called I think he played they have a thing here called Greece Rama, and I think his band had played
here one time, cool Town, and I didn't at the time. I didn't know him then, but i'd already seen him, and it didn't come like there was a weird like, oh wait a minute, you're in like you know, I kind of after the fact discovery after we talked, and because he had played and he played up here, I feel like they played up here a couple of times and I'd seen him play, but I didn't know him them, So I don't think he's I don't think I feel like
I don't think Ghoule Town is. I don't think they're active. They just did some stuff for not too long ago, but yeah, they had a long eye of this. They're semi active, I think is what it is. Periodically active. Probably they're probably as active as troglodite. Let's just be probably just when you need to be still keeping it loosive. No, he's a good dude though. Oh yeah, I love the guy A good good friend of ours, good friend of ours. This girl trying to give you
the name of Trogola. Back in high school, my friend's neighbor, she's like and so she just started calling me trog all the time for like probably like two years, like a small group of my friends from like that group of friends was calling me trog And I was like, that's when I embraced the bobo nickname. I was like, was a trog It's so funny, Like it's it's such a word like that, you know, you hear it and it really stands out, and you're usually in such a derogatory way that
you hear it, So it was funny. I was. I went to see a totally blind. I went to see this movie Bone Tomahawk. Huge Kurt Russell fan, love Kurt Russell, and I was a fan of the guy that had directed it. He was A Zollor is his name, and he's an author, and I was pretty excited to see it. I thought, Oh, it's like a horror western or something, I guess, and I didn't know anything about it. Went into it totally blind, and it
was really good. It was really done and it's funny. It's like, uh, like in the first ten minutes of the movie, these uh, this man's wife is kidnapped and there who took him. It was like, they don't even have a name. They're just like troglodytes. They live in caves and stuff. And I got such a kick out of that. And you know, they're these like animal like people that you know, it's just something you just don't hear a lot. So I thought that was really funny.
So, but they weren't bigfoots though, No, trogolot I think technically like the translates into like cave dwellers. Yeah, it has nothing to do with Bigfoot other than my association that I've drawn to it. Yeah, it's a it's a man like ape. I think that's the literal translation. Now now, Homo Trogloditees was a name that was actually coined by Linnaeus, the guy that the father of taxonomy, the guy who invented this like genus species
nomenclature for all species on the planet. There was actually something called Homo trugloditis, but it was later changed to pan trogoloiditis into the genus something to do with chimpanzees if I remember correctly, so it might be a nice rabbit hole for you to jump down. I take listen. I will listen back to this and take notes and inspiration. Uh. Now, inspiration is uh,
I mean it's all around me. I mean it really is. And uh, it's all it's always it's always interesting to uh come across another bigfoot fan uh or somebody who has a passion for it, and they they bring a perspective that you know you don't necessarily have them. So there have you know, it was like, uh again, I keep going back to my ridiculous songs, like there's on the on the new one, I did a song
they Outlaw, which isn't necessarily thought to be a bigfoot thing. But there are people who share an opinion that it was some sort of creature or something that those are wrong. Well you know how that came about. It was a bottom feeding production company that basically lied about it. Well again, I I take the high ground. I take I go take a very high level. And when even when I you listen to what I'm singing about again,
it's more about the the nature of the unknown and what did this? So could you argue it's not really about Bigfoot, Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, I just keep waiting for I can't. You know how hard it is to find something that rhymes with Gigantopithecus Australia pithecus. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of pithecus out there, I bet. Yeah. But I mean, how much can you resurrect that one? I guess you know, yeah, no, no pun intended, fantastic, you know what.
I think this is a good opportunity to maybe play part of one of your songs. Now, if you if you were to baptize our audience into one of your songs, which one won't make their ears bleed like right away? You know, like like what's a nice gateway drug into troglodite? Or you can hear some where you can hear some of the vocals, like if you can tell what you're saying with hell yeah, I would say I would say if I was like a good gateway song, I would I would probably give
you guys. I would say, uh, Entrails torn from a Cryptid's Gut, nice mid tempo, It sounds like a nice song. Yeah, so what album is this song? As as Cliff is as we all know that one is from our third studio album, Anthropological Curiosities and Unearthed Archaeological Relics. I knew that, but I didn't want to build cliff all. I mean, who could forget that one? I mean that that features such toe tapping classics as weed our own, which explains why you never find Bigfoot remains,
the It Takes Guts. That's a good that's a real toe tapper. And the big radio hit off that one was Abnormalities and Dramatical Ethics colon Identification of the Unknown Primate. Now are you getting are you getting radio play? Or is there such a thing for that for death metal? I don't even know. Yeah, I say it sarcastically, now, you know I say that, But you know what's radio? Now? Now there's a million podcasts that and different. I would say probably not a typical radio play now, No,
no, of course not. But there are people who found us and it's like, hey, we we're big fans of this, of Breed and and he was playing one of your songs on his podcast, like, oh
that's freaking awesome. So as far as I radio played, So there is no real radio outlet for death metal, I assume, so mostly podcast stuff, and like because I mean I know of I mean I know of Cannibal Corpse, I know of like Gwar and some other bands at directions, you know, but like, how do they get popular if there's no radio plays? It just live live shows and stuff, Like what's the hope there? You know? Yeah, you know it's funny. You should we get We
definitely hear compare. I get the oh, you guys sound like Cannibal Corps, and I definitely get that. Huge fan of Gwar, love those guys. They've been very kind to the Troglodykee crew over the years. We've played their warbecue that they've done, and they've given us opportunities to open for them. Yeah. Yeah, great bunch of guys and again doing something very not radio friendly at all on both of those bands. So it's interesting to me
that like it's not uh you know, they found their audience. They've just kind of cut their own path, you know, they don't. Uh. Guar was very lucky, uh you know, I say lucky. They they were definitely doing their own thing. You know, these art students from Virginia and they were doing touring and touring and you know, their shows are crazy. They are these giant productions of fake blood and monsters and stuff, and I think they're big, like big. Push was uh Beavis and butt Heead.
Yeah, they played one of their videos and as silly as that sounds, that pushed a lot of band That meant the difference from being an obscure extreme metal band into all of a sudden you're selling one hundred two hundred thousand copies of your album and people want to see you and they go to see the show, you know, so you're they were exposed, uh you know
in that capacity the help break Winger two. Yeah, I mean you think about all the stuff that those that silly show did, even the bands that they get on there and they are completely roasting and making fun of, they still sold records. Yeah, I felt bad. Like Ween was on there too, and they heckled Ween. I love Wing, Oh I love Wing.
That's why I was like, you gotta like those guys. You guys, it's like that no, you know, uh no, advertisement is bad advertisement kind of thing, because even making fun of these guys, they still put them over, you know, in a way that exposed them to an audience. And you know that that's the one thing now you know, used to have things like Cliff to your point, you know, even without airplay, used to have stuff like head Bang's Ball or uh, I'm trying to
think. You know, there were shows that actually used to show music videos and uh, you know that just doesn't exist anymore. So it's really hard for some of these now there's, uh, you don't have that outlet. And you know, I think a lot of it's just luck being at the
right place the right time. And you know, you there are bands they get somebody's ear, they somebody, they catch somebody's attention, or they know someone and they have the ability to kind of break through a little bit, you know, because again a lot of these bands, you know, just not getting the airplay that doesn't exist once. It's like a community radio station
at Tuesday night, three in the morning. Yes, absolutely absolutely, and I think it's wonderful that you've got the ability that you know, now you know, people can do things like a podcast and they can go through and they can curate these things and expose people to this music that they didn't even
know existed. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages, So you do have a YouTube page, then yeah, we've and again one of those things that it's kind of been a conscious effort to we don't have music videos, which is funny because I'm a music video director. I've worked for several different like labels, and I work for mostly extreme metal stuff, and I understand the importance of it,
but again, I think there's something lost. Man. It's like I don't really you know, I you know, there's a part of me that thinks it's like I want to do a music video and if I do, it's going to be the most amazing thing ever. And I just don't want to push something out of us playing in a warehouse, bang in our head. And also I think it kind of adds to the mystique. You know, you can you can go and find and that's something else you kind of touched
on a little bit. It's like I always feel like there's a certain part of us that I kind of always like that the only way you can see is is you can find YouTube videos where people come and film us. And it's very much like trying to capture footage of a sasquatch. It's usually shaky, almost unwatchable film, like it lends itself very much to the same world, you know, dark, underlit, terrible environment, you know, but
I think there's a certain charm to it too. So you'd have to have a pretty good budget for a video for you to be happy with it. I mean, because you got all those skills and talent and you know what you want, and I take a lot of resources to get that together. Yeah, I mean, you know it's crazy, Bobo, because it's like the music videos. I shoot, they're all like concepts. It's I like
little movies. Like if you want your band banging their head in a warehouse and the fan blowing off, that is not me And I'll have to share that stuff with you guys, because it is. I mean, it's like the stuff I do is like little tiny movies. I mean they are straight up concept. It's like watching a little slice of a movie. And that's
you're right. I mean, to do it, it's tricky, and you know, like with everything in the music industry, they don't you know, the budgets aren't like they were ten years ago, so it gets even trickier trying to create something on you know, but you know, most people spend more going to Costco, you know, probably than we spend on these music videos sometimes. So it's kind of interesting, you know, I know, during the pandemic and we had the we had, of course, you know,
the greatest We always have the greatest luck. I feel like Charcolodite in general has kind of just missed the mark on stuff. Our luck's just off. So but here we get this new album done and then the pandemic hits, so we can't really tour, we can't support it. Uh. I know, we were going to shoot. We had a pretty elaborate video planned, and then I got COVID so it kind of shut everything down and I
was fortunate it was very uneventful. But still that was pretty early on, so I had to figure out, well, what are we going to do? So I literally went through and made a music video that looks like a video game and it's the most ridiculous thing ever, but people loved it. You know. It was just like thinking outside the box, well what can I do to get us out there, you know, and make sure that it looks like an old eight bit Nintendo game. The marketing of the band
and trying to keep it organic has always been important and stuff too. You know, did we talk about the I made mummified yetty hands, I saw that out of your page. Well, we didn't talk about it. Tell us about it, please. One of the things like I always being a fan. You know, I'm a fan first, first and foremost. I'm always a fan, you know. So, like I do a lot of merch design. Sometimes for bands, they need a shirt or something, so
I'll do that. And I always thought, you know, if I'm gonna I wanted to do stuff that if I was a fan or something that I would get. Oh, man, I got to have that. That is so cool, That is so so I've like, even with the shirts, all of our merch, I've tried to take extraordinary measures to do stuff that is like very well thought out, for lack of a better word, if
that if you can say that. So one of the things I always talked about doing was like, man, I would love to make a mammified yetti hand and when you buy it, it comes in a little bag like an old school toy on a card. I had some downtime at the first of the year. The movie stuff was really slow and the weather was just awful, so I retreated into the back into the trog cave and I mass produced. I don't know how many of these yetti hands I made, but I
made them. I mean they're like a toy. I mean they're on a bag that they're on a card. There's a legend, a story that's on the back of it. And I couldn't couldn't get them out of the house fast enough. Once I pushed that out into the social world, and again very small. I didn't like buy ads. I just kind of pushed it out into our social social channels and they were gone. They're gone. That's
great, that's absolutely cool. So are you selling those anymore? Yes, it's a authentic mummified yetti hand with an asterisk, right, and as you know, you can almost smell the authentic. And then I had to put a little dis I put a little disclaimer. You know, mummified yetti hands are a recreation and not real mummified yetti hands. I love this. I guess I'm on your website trug Light dot big Cartel dot com products. I don't know if that's your website, but that's what I found here. Yeah,
yeah, drives to the shop. Yeah yeah, I guess I tried to go to neander Core, which I think is the coolest description of any music I've ever heard of my life. No, that's yeah, and that's where it just I've got to redirect right now. Yeah, I've cutting out the middleman, Cliff going right for the wallet. No, I am I. I love it. I love it. In fact, I am buying one of these mummified yetti hands for my Bigfoot museum. Don't do that. Let me send you one. How about that? It would be my privilege
to send you on. We'll talk about that once we stopped recording. But yeah, I want one of these from my museum. Yes, I definitely want to make sure that you have. You guys have your own mummified yetti hands. Did I? I was so close to order one last night, but I'm like, I'm I was shortly with a discussion of spending listen totally
there. Well, we'll make we'll make these dreams of reality. We we actually went to the Peing Bunchie Monastery when we were filming Funding Big there when we saw the replica hand, the three D imaging place, the big Time special effects workshops. Yeah, the one. Yeah, Peter Jackson's did the three D one. Yeah, yeah, we got to see that. We got to see that when it was that thing was big. It turns out of him. I have a friend who works for Wedda Workshops. He's a
big foot fan and all this other stuff. He's a great, great guy. Daniel Falcon is his name, and he did a lot of the stuff with Lord of the Rings and he's a super nice guy. When he came over here with Wet to do some sort of you know gig basically you know where they set up their giant booth in one of these big holes, I hung out with him, and so when I was doing the museum, I reached out to Daniels said, Hey, I know Wedda supplied the real ping
Buschet Monastery with a hand. What can you guys help us out? And he goes, oh, my friend did that, and that'd probably be out of your price range. But there's another person who can make a fantastic copy of Reblica. So I employed this other artist and she did a fantastic job, and that is actually the one that's on display in the museum. The artist's name is Sonja Howard from New Zealand, and she did a fantastic job of it she did. She did the scalp and the hand. Actually,
yes, I love the scalp. That was like I was really torn to do, Like I want to do, I gotta do the scalp too. It's like, no, it's a little that'll be a little more difficult for me to market like in a way that was more the hand was more practical way. And plus we had a song. I don't have a song any any song about the scalp yet yet YETI yeah, I love it, dude, absolutely, Are you kidding? No? I love it. Man. It's funny. I again, you know, it's like, we don't take
ourselves seriously obviously when I'm talking to you about this stuff. But if you're a fan of the music and when you listen to it, you get what we're doing. We don't make fun of it. We're not the music itself. We take very seriously. So it's like, if you like if you like extreme music, if you like death metal, if you're a fan of Cannibal Corps or Obituary or Carcass or any of those kind of bands, you're gonna love what we're doing. So if you know I tried to get something.
It's like, if you didn't like that, well, you know, there it is. It's a ton definitely firmly planted in cheek. What's what's your what's your most popular T shirt design that you guys sell. It's got some cool T shirts? Thank you, gosh, I would say, uh. And again, it's always the ones I riff on pop culture are always the ones that you seem to go over Gamebusters. I know the one I did the art for the the one where Harry's holding George Henderson's head. Yeah,
John, let's go right. That's my favorite one by far, I think on here, Yeah, yeah, that one. People, I mean they it's like, you know, and again, it was like a digital painting that I worked on that I did it for a flyer for a show, and I just never I thought, man, that's a really intense piece of artwork for a flyer. But I kind of kicked it around for a while and I thought, I'm just gonna throw that on a T shirt.
I wonder if anybody would buy it. Well, they made it, right, I mean, that's one without fail and it's not the art's been around for a little while. But when we play a show, I can't get that one out of the box fast enough. Well, you know, it seems we're pretty much out of time. Man. In fact, we might have even gone over it because you've been such a great guest. There's no overtime, clip, there's no time limit. Well, I think we do
have an overtime. Why don't we invite them to come to the members section and hang out a little bit longer? Sure, yeah, let's do that. Do you have a little bit more time, Jeff, Oh yeah I do. Yeah, thanks, yeah, yeah, let's let's let's save the rest of this. We'll play a couple more year tunes and we'll get to get it down to the nitty gritty and some of the weirder stuff. I guess when our member section, because we do an extra hour every week for
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Gaba. Hey, Jeff, thank you very much for your time, and let's spend another hour together a little bit less, I suppose, and over the member section and we'll continue the conversation there. Thank you to Jeff Siston for coming on and teaching us about death metal with bigfoot involved. Yeah, and Jeff, where can people find out more information before we let you loose?
Well, I got to tell you if you're if you're really Jones and for some bigfoot death metal, you can find us at neander Core, which is in E A N D E R C O R E dot com. You can also find us at trog dot rocks. Yeah, and I know some of our listeners will be interested. I'm looking at you, Todd and Bart. I know that people are out there are gonna love this, so I got to tell you and you know, and for any of those who can't, if you can't even remember those, you can always type in bigfoot
death metal and you'll find trougladite. See, you do have the corner that the market corner man. That's awesome. I think we appear in the first several searches results, so it's pretty easy to track us down, No pun intended. You guys own that section. We're trying. It's mission accomplished, okay, So Jeff hang on for a few moments and Bubb'll get us out of here and we'll start another recording. All right, folks, That was
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