Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo. These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and read it. Five stary and met on yesterday and listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay greeting's Bobo. Well, Cliff, what's happened to my friend? Not much, just down out helping the folks down in a sotel. So down here for a week? Oh wow, Okay, I didn't know
that. Okay, but this might be the most active spring. It's one of the top three in the last like thirty five years for me in an amount of reportion, hearing from all over the place, like where what have you heard? People seeing them and hearing them finding tracks and tho those tracksh pop open up everywhere. Tell me all about it. Well, you didn't get any more, did you? I got one yesterday? O way, I found three potential ones. Now this is an area like there's a lot
of stuff going on all throughout this one particular area. And I've been pushing into new roads because I've been hitting the same old roads again and again and they're just not producing, you know, maybe e theiy're onto me or something. Maybe, who knows. So I've been pushing into new roads. And when I say new roads, I mean really old, unused roads that hardly anybody ever touches or goes on anymore. And I found a pretty old print. Actually I found two on one road, and then one possibly but I
doubt it on another road. But the two that I found on this one unused road, there's this there's a spring on this road and it kind of drools water all down it in about four or five hundred yards down past the spring. It's still pretty moist in that area. I did pull a track yesterday. I pulled a cast. It's very shallow, but it was and forest stuff and moss and whatever else. The heel was pretty pronounced, and there were two or three pretty faint toes. Pretty faint, but I do
believe that there were toes. And you know, if I see toes in there, I'm probably gonna cast it. So I put plaster in it. And today at work, I was working on all sorts of projects. I'm kind of up against the wall and a couple of things. So I asked Keith, one of the team members there at the NABC to pick at it and try to get all the duff off it. So he got most of it off. Tomorrow we're going to burn it out the rest of the organic
material and see if any the toes registered at the cast. So, but if it is what I think it is, and you know, I don't know, maybe it's not a print. Maybe it's just something that looks remarkably like a print. That happens too, you know, probably far more often than i'd like. But hopefully we had a couple of toes in there. But if it is a print, it might be the same fourteen inch individual they've been tracking for a while. So we will see. Last time I
talked to you, last time we were on we were going. The next morning you go out to the others area to go see oh yeah, yeah, that turned out to be double stepping ELK prints, which is kind of a bum out because the pictures that I was sent and a couple of them looked really weird, but one or two of them looked really good. They're like, oh are those toes? That's interesting? You know, not quite
sure what's going on. I went out there, but the guys are a rare and the guys are super cool, like really really nice people that and
just well meaning misidentified. And sure enough when I got there to the sandbar at the mouth of that little river there, they took me out on their boat and after the spot where the thing walked across the sandbar and the tide already claimed it two more times or one more time, I think two more times since they initially took the pictures by the time I got there and thinking, man, this does look by petal and they are about the right size.
There are a couple of weird marks in them, and so I followed the entire trackway over probably three hundred four hundred yards of you know, mud essentially, and there were some really wonky looking ones and some really okay looking ones. But at the end of the day, what it really turned out to be is double stepping elk that you know, where the hoofs are in front or whatever. A couple of those suggested toes. I mean, the
pictures that they sent. A couple of them looked just too wonky to be anything in particular, but a couple of them the way that the tide of the water kind of came in and out of the princes especially where the hoofmarks were suggested toes. There were hundreds of these tracks, so I had a great sample set to examine closely, and they were at the end of the day, there were clearly elk prints. And you know, I don't begrudge
the guys. They did the best job they could. They photographed the best looking ones and send them to me, and I'll always, you know, chase something down on the coast. I love the coast, you know, I don't get out to the coast nearly as much as I would like. And it was just a great day, you know, just a great day. The guys were super cool. One of the guys hooked me up with like a bunch of fresh seafood that he had in his freezer and stuff,
and yeah, I got some crabs and everything was great. You know, it was a great day and I think it'll make it I'm gonna make a video for our members at the museum about it, because you know, over the last few years, I really feel like I've like leveled up as far as a tracker goes. And again I don't profess to be a great tracker. They've gotten way better. Well, yeah, that's the whole feel I
just feel like I've made some real progress over the last few years. You know, what I've really learned the last few years is that context means so much. Looking at a track is one thing, but you don't look just look at a track, you look at everything around it. And so I'm going to make a video, I think for our museum members, because you know, they get those two videos for being members every single month, and
that's not the podcast members. That's difference museum stuff about context clues, you know, because that was a big thing and when I was teaching children how to read, when I was an elementary school teacher, using context clues to figure out what vocabulary terms mean. And it's really the same thing with tracking. And it was the context of this situation that really led me down that they'd be absolute, one hundred percent certain that these were in fact elk tracks
that have been melted out with the tide and all that other stuff. So it was a great day, good learning experience, particularly for those guys and stuff. And I've got two more excellent contacts on a very active area on the coast, so I know that if anything else happens to them, And dude, this I went to the guy's house. He lives between like two super active areas. Like he literally lives on the ridge between this river valley that a ton of stuff comes out of on one side and then the other
side of that same ridge. I've got like four or five reports on that side of the ridge too. He lives right in between, on like three or four acres super killer spot. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if that guy called me at any time. So yeah, super neat. It was a great day. It was a great day. It was a long day, but you know, some seafood at the end of it, and made a couple of good friends and all that other stuff, and so pretty stoked. Well, okay, with not much else to talk about it, why
don't we go straight to our guest. This is going to be a great episode. Pretty excited about this. This is the author of Haunted War Tales, True Military Encounters with the Bizarre, Paranormal and Unexplained. RC. Bramhall, RC, thank you so much for a little bit of time aside to come talk to Cliff and the Bobs Man. Really excited about this one. Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much for having me on I've been a fan for years. You guys watched the show, of course,
but actually I have enjoyed the podcast more so. I feel like I've gotten to know you guys, you know, even more so through this medium. So it's been great. Hey, Arsue, thanks for joining us. I agreed. I think the podcast has been on the show too. Hopefully it'll be longer lasting. Can imagine we're doing this for nine years. We have to have you on two or three times RC if that's the case. Hey,
hey, hey, that's a goal, a personal goal. Now, speaking of which, is this your first book or is this just a long one of many? It is my first book. I've been a writer for years, been in the screenwriting world, so I made this jump into nonfiction. And I'm also right, you know, horror war is kind of my brand, so I'm a horror war fiction writer. Also, now you said you're a screenwriter, you have you done anything that we might have seen or
No? Unfortunately I haven't. Oh, I'm so sorry to bring it up. I have lots of unproduced scripts. Yeah, you know, I got paid a few times and adapted a few novels. But yeah, that's you know, it's a frustrating world. That's why I kind of was tired of
beating my head against the wall there. You know, I've collected these stories for years being an Army vet and started to realize after some time, like, wow, I might have enough here to start, you know, putting a collection together and actually being able to classify all these different stories into kind of different you know, realms. And of course Bigfoot, as you can imagine, is a huge one. When and where did you serve? I
served from nineteen eighty eight to ninety two. I was with fifth Infantry Division most of the time. I was an intelligence sergeant and finished up with twenty of Special Forces Group in their Military Intelligence Attachment, a couple of years in the National Guard while I was in college. And did you serve overseas or did you do it all domestically or yeah, all domestic. I was,
you know, involved in intelligence, especially for Panama. We had a brigade down there from our fifth Infantry whenever Panama broke loose, so we actually had a unit in combat down there in nineteen eighty nine. When did you first realize that there's some sort of cross I'm assuming like a lot of people like us, like kind of love monsters and the whole Patterson Goodwin background in search
of and all that jazz. That's a big assumption, of course, But when did you realize there's some sort of crossover between the military aspect of your life and your love of you know, monsters and unknown weird stuff. For
sure. I don't know if you guys were ever comic kids, but if you remember, you know, like DC had a line of great war comics right back in the eighties, and one of their comics was called Weird War and it literally was like an anthology every month of kind of short stories that you know, mashed up different time periods, different wars, with horror, you know, with ghost or zombies or different kind of things going on. So at a very young age that just I love that mashup, you know,
and just always had that interest, and so join the army. I kind of always knew that was the first step I was going to make in life. I had an uncle, not really an uncle, you know, one of his cousins you call uncle, who was a Green Beret, had a big influence on me, for sure. But it's just always been interested
in anything strange, right, mysteries unsolved mysteries. And then even being in intelligence, you know, there was always some rumors and some weird stuff that would come through from time to time, especially with you know, the whole psychic warfare programs. You might know a little bit about that stuff. Like the movie The Men Who Stare At Goats right, was based on that book.
That was kind of a take on it. But a lot of that stuff, you know, like honestly that like that whole episode of a guy staring at a goat, you know, and stopping its heart mentally, that kind of stuff was you know, it was out there in the intelligence world. There were guys working in that field, so more of that kind of stuff. And then of course you know aliens, UFOs always you know, unidentified kind of you know, aircraft or things in the ocean even and you
know, I avoided all that in the book. It's just because I feel like, you know, so much of that is done already. And my point with this book is to really when you read it, to find stories you've never come across before, you know, like that was my goal. Is to find stuff that's not out there already. And it's kind of been retread one hundred times, you know, increasingly difficult in the big foux world
that we live in, no doubt. But you know a lot of people aren't aware of the international aspect, right that you guys are always trying to push that that this isn't just an American thing. It's not a North American phenomenon. It's a worldwide phenomenon. And you know, I've got several different international military reports that involve Harry Hominid's. Yeah, it seems like several chapters of this book. And this is not like some sort of like light book
either, I mean, what is it. It's probably over two hundred pages, two hundred fifty pages maybe somewhere in there too, at least two full chapters or chalk full of this stuff. Although I will say, you know, you're kind enough to send me a copy of the book. I've not got into it, but I have had a chance to thumb through it a bit. And I'll tell you what, I don't think I've ever read a better title of a chapter than a Nazi and necronomic con the Cannibal Core and
Wandering Souls. Awesome. I've got some confidence on that, thank you. Yeah, holy smokes, Like, I don't know what this is about. But I know that I might just read it out of order. Yeah, and you can do that. That's what's cool. At the book. You can literally pick it up any almost anywhere and just start reading a page and hopefully you won't want to put it down, you know. Okay, So okay, So you're interested in the DC comic the Weird War series, And
by the way, I just google that. There's holy smokes, there's a lot of stuff. This is rad. Yeah, that's really cool. I know we have a fair number of comic book nerds that listen to this thing. I'm looking at you, Brandon and various other folks. There's a good number of people who love this kind of thing. I had no idea there was so much of this out there. So that kind of kind of set the stage a little bit for your future life. And lo and behold,
you enter the army, kind of like fulfilling your own prophecy. When you were working and he dealt with some of the weirder things and being in intelligence and all that jazz. Were you stationed on a base where stuff happened like Fort Lewis or something like that. I mean, was anything happening at any of the bases where you actually had to work. Well, what's interesting about
that. I was my main you know, most of my time in the Army was spent at Fort Poke, Louisiana, right considered the arm pit of the Army. And I was happy because when I got there, you know, the drinking age was eighteen in Louisiana, so that equaled everything out for me. That's why I was dog round of course coming down there at Fort Pole. Well, that's what I was gonna say. So, I don't know if you're familiar with like tales from the grid Square. It's a guy
who has an Instagram account. I think his name is Nick Worton or that's the name he uses. But he's a current member of the military. So he was actually stationed at Fort Poke, and you know, like has a lot of incidents and things that have happened within his time there. But when I was there, unfortunately, no nothing I've ever heard of. Now,
of course, you know bigfoot in Louisiana. Yes, you know, outside of the base, I had heard rumors and different things, especially as you know, the Texas Louisiana border real hot spot and that's kind of where Fort Polk is kind of like right on the edge of that. But you have Fort poke Is. There's a lot of weird stuff happening there now, but not when I was there. You're good to Fort Lewis. I've never been
there. But that's a big part of the domestic Disturbances chapter, of course, because you know so many bigfoot reports and just so many interesting rumors, even of you know, guys who are stationed there, like Ranger Cadre, you know that run Ranger School, and just some of the reports out of there, guys saying that. You know, even when you go through trainings, a lot of times guys will tell you, hey, like I don't
care if you believe in this or not. You know, they're out there, and if you do come across one, do not engage, you know,
avoid it at all costs. And we've had things happen in the past, and you know, guys laugh it off and then they go out there and have some kind of strange experience, you know, and wonder what the hell is going on if it's like some kind of psychological trick that they're trying to play on them, where you know, somethings are actually out there following them around so yeah, Fort lewis probably the hottest area, right, like
when we're talking about Bigfoot sightings. As you can imagine, they officially refer to one part of the training course now as sub Squatch Alley up there. Yeah, there's several certain areas of the base that are pretty famous, you know, like I don't remember the name. If there's a certain pond on base that's known also as kind of a hot spot. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.
The museums located not too far from there, like maybe hour and a half two hours, and so we get a fair number of military folks coming through. And if they tell me their their their station there or were stationed there, I always ask them one hundred percent of the time, I ask them, so you ever been blah blah blah, you know you've been told about these things? And the answer is yes, probably about I'm guessing about
thirty to forty percent of the time. Wow, that's pretty high. Yeah, it is pretty high considering that these things are aren't real supposedly, right, but yet there they are. Like most people, you know, like I said, sixty to seventy percent say no, no, they never really mentioned it or whatever. And sometimes they say, yeah, well I know
one guy who said he saw one or something like that. But several people have told me straight out says, oh no, no. Before operations, we were warned about these things and they said, don't worry about them, just ignore them. Go you know, nothing to see here sort of thing exactly that that lake is called Cat Lake. Just so we know Cat Lake. You know, that's part of the range of training area. It's notorious for having been the layer of a particular sas squats for several years. Now,
is that in your book? Yes? Very cool. So what other bases and areas in this country before we go abroad here? Do you mention and go deep into into the book here? Honestly, I could have picked any one of them as I did my research. You know, you can find bigfoot reports on almost every military base. And you know, when you look at the reasons, I really think you know one of my personal theories,
and I think you guys may have even mentioned this before. When you think about, you know, if this species is thriving, right, if this is actually where their numbers are growing, when you look at areas that are protected, you know, national parks, wilderness management areas, huge sections
of military bases. These areas are hugely undisturbed, right, I mean there, you know, it is the perfect area if you were an animal that was looking to hide somewhere that had a liverable habitat that you're not going to encounter that many people. You know, they're perfect areas. Right When you look at most military bases, they're huge, but almost every one of them backs up too, you know, more huge wilderness areas, whether they're national
parks and some kind of designated area or state. So, you know, just talking about massive amounts of land, you know, like really undisturbed wilderness. And so when you start looking around, it's like every base has their own war, you know, basically everywhere but Hawaii. You know, I got invinted by these guys. He was a range master at a base in Oklahoma as an artillery I know, they did a lot of artillery training there was like I talked to him like several times. I never made it out
there, but he had a lot of stories from his days. I know which we're talking about, but I forget the name. It's the home of the Artillery. Of course, seal is that in your book? No, that's not when I included we've got twenty nine palms. The Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center in California. That's pretty wild. There's so many encounters there. They have, like, you know, very a vast range of nicknames,
from the Sierra Highway Devil to the Mohave Sandman to the Yucaman. And it kind of backs up to the Joshua Tree National Park and that Majave National Preserve and then even the Armies National Training Center. So you have this huge area and they've even you know, enough reports almost seem like there's almost a pattern of their movement between these areas, you know. And something really interesting too. One of the Native American tribes in the San Bernardino Mountain region called
them talk We's. I think Talkweits. You ever heard of that? Yeah? Absolutely there. When I was in Boy Scouts, before I was asked to not be in Boy Scouts any longer by the Boy Scouts, I would have to go to summer camp up there, and it was I went literally went to Camp Talkuitz, which you know, that was the camp I went to, and I guess there's a creek in a valley out there, and
little talk about foreshadowing. I mean, had I known like that was what it was named after, yeah, yeah, maybe I would have enjoyed Boy Scouts a little bit more. Yeah. So that's one of the interesting things, is you know that that like there's a canyon and a water phone named that and to the local indigenous people, that's where these things kind of originated. You know, it's one of their favorite haunts. Was that area.
It's kind of Mount San Jacinto, their palm springs. Yeah, kind of kind of a fair amount of stuff still happens down there in that general vicinity for southern California. It's a hotspot for sure, Edward's Air Force Base in California. A lot of stranger, cryptid behavior there, more like almost like alien stuff or kind of strange monsters, like three toed kind of things. You know, you're probably I'm sure you're familiar with Doug Trapp. Oh yeah,
yeah, yeah, sure, sure. I've not interviewed him, but I although he'd be a good interview, he might be a good person get on the podcast. Yeah. So I got a lot of stuff from his research of you know, like looking into desert sasquatches and talking to Air Force veterans. One of the cool things about that base is I came across like a newspaper article and it was a reunion of like the Air Force police that
were stationed there. They were called the Desert Rats, and it was like guys that were stationer between seventy three and seventy nine and you know, being retired and all these years later. That's what's cool is a lot of these ex military guys, you know, they're willing to start sharing this stuff when they're not you know, in danger of being called crazy or losing their rank or anything. And you know, so I came across this like newspaper report.
It was really cool reading all these guys like basically telling all these you know, cryptid stories. It just it was a regular newspaper article about the reunion. So there's a lot of that stuff in there, just you know, seeing a lot of orbs, strange lights, and then like I say, some kind of bizarre eight foot time between eight and ten foot creature. Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton. That's another hotspot. I go to Fort Carson, Colorado, Well what are you getting out of? Like I haven't heard
much recently. I mean, it's so think there was a long dead zone, Like I didn't heard anything out of Penalton from like the early eighties until like the two thousands. Yeah, the same thing. Most of the stuff
I have as older. It's like from the eighties, and a lot of these places that you're mentioning recently, Edwards Air Force Base very desert like in a lot of ways, you know, and some of are straight out desert, like I think Edward's Air Force Space is literally just desert for the most part, but there's mountains nearby and also river valleys that go through a lot
of these. I know Bobo and I have both done footprint investigations when we were in southern California in the Mohave river bed, and what we found, or at least what i've I think Bobo would be in agreement with this. Most of the stuff there in those environments happened during the winter time. Did you maybe I know this wasn't the focus of your book, but or you know, I think it was for the most part. Did you notice that they tended to be more in the in the colder time of year. Yeah,
I don't really. I didn't look at that necessarily. I'd have to go back and look at my reports and see, we don't get break short reports consistently, like you know, around what other cryptid or what other phenomena it gets reported, like not just like in like localiz of there's like across the board, like North America. Well, you know, obviously a lot of Hank teams, right, Almost all the bases have their own ghost stories,
kind of their own lore. For Leavenworth, it's probably one of the most haunted bases with the amount of like different stories and encounters going on there. But yeah, not any necessarily like a cryptid necessarily associated with a particular base, you know, like a dog man or moth man or anything else different. Almost all sasquatch. We kind of touched the base on a lot
of the no no pun intended. I guess touch base on a lot of the local bases here domestically, But you have a lot of stuff from overseas bases as well, and from places that I personally don't know very much about the Harry hormonoids in that area, even though I obviously I know that they're there or I've heard stories, but I've never really looked into them, you know, just because probably I probably will never go to Afghanistan, but yet
you have a significant part of your chapter deals with the Afghany Harry harmanoids can tell us a little bit about what's going on out there, Yeah for sure. So, you know, kind of starting with the Almas, right, kind of Central Asia's version of some type of you know, almost more human like Neanderthal rather than a neo giant, kind of like Sasquatch or a Yawi. So, you know, I talk a lot about that, so many Russian reports going all the way back to like the Russian Civil War early nineteen
hundreds, all the way up through more modern times. And what I try to show in there is, you know, to again the skeptic or someone who doesn't really know much about this, is, you know, the actual
history backing this stuff up. And how when we look at the remnants of Neanderthal settle and the places we find, you know, like kind of the last refuges of these Neanderthals are the same areas where these Almas are still being reported being seen, you know, So is it that far to stretch that you know, some of these things may have retreated into these most inhospitable places
in the world. When you look across from the Rockies, the Colorado Rockies all the way to the Hindu Kush or the Premiere in Takistan, or the all Tea Mountain range in West Mongolia. You know, it's the same type of environments where these things are seen, right and especially in Russia, you know the presence of these Neanderthal like settlements, the remnants that these archaeologists find, it just really backs up. It's always in the same areas that these
things are being seen by locals. And so when we move into Afghanistan, you know, several encounters our guys had with things that really are unexplainable.
The giants. Yeah, one of the most interesting ones I came across was, you know, it's kind of a squad was overlooking a village, an Afghan village overnight, kind of watching for activity, and you know, through their thermals they spot a heat signature that's across the valley about the same elevation as they are on the on the mountain across the valley, and it's so huge of a heat signature that the guy who sponts it figures it's a group of people. You know, it has to be a group of people that
kind of sitting huddled together. So he wakes up the rest of the squad. You know, hey, we need to watch this because it seems like there's a group over there. Let's you know, keep an eye on and see what they're doing. And so the whole squad has eyes on this thing, watching it through their thermals and as you know, that means there's something there, right, regardless of what the belief is, that heat signature is
proving something was there. And as they watch and expecting this kind of group to break up, they see this heat signature kind of stand up as one thing and like walk over the crest in the mountain. And then another encounter guys had they actually saw this thing kind of scaling up the side of a hill, and you know that actually in daylight, like had a good eye on it, and the guys thought it was some you know, an ape
or some kind of gorilla. And they said it was moving up the side of this mountain so fast it was impossible, you know, it was almost like impossible to understand as they watched it, and you know, one of the guy's jokes, I did a gorilla like escape a local zoo or what is this and kind of when they talked to the locals about it, they were real matter of fact, like, oh, you saw a barman u, you know, so they call him over there, and you know,
just going into the locals belief. Another really cool thing I came across was another you know, kind of an interview with the local villager there, and he just talked so matter of factly about these things. As you know, his grandparents always knew about them, they saw them as he was growing up at different times, and even tells the story how he was out one day and actually saw one with a juvenile like holding hands and yeah, like how
special the moment that was for him. And he basically says, like, you know, they're mountain people like we are. We leave them alone. They only come down when times are tough, kind of food scarce, you know, that's when they'll see them kind of around the settlements. And just a matter of fact kind of attitude by the locals about these things is what really gets in what about the Giant of Canada Heart So yeah, that I included that in the book. You know, I find that story kind of
fantastical. Right, but I had to address it because it's definitely out there on the Internet and there are several different individuals who claim to have different parts in that story. So and then I really talk about giants too, because that's another belief in Afghan culture is the giants are real. I talk about like an American reporter was kind of embedded with some Afghan soldiers and policemen and she pointed out that, you know, her interpreter even was college educated,
just to point out that these weren't like you know, bill billies. It was a group of professional guys, and they like kind of kind of came across a grave site that was like immensely sized, and she made a comment like you know, wow, that's kind of crazy, like you know, who's buried there. And they told her like it was a giant, you know, and she's like, oh, okay, yeah, sometimes people, you know, do grow pretty tall, could be seven or eight feet tall.
And they're like, no, you know, like a real giant, like a separate race. They're not humans like we are. And you know, they got all mad at her, and like even the interpreter started yelling at her. It was like, you know, just because you Americans don't think these things are real, you know, like our grandparents lived and some of them were still around, you know, like got all in the face and stuff. So it's very It's part of the Afghan culture over there.
They believe in this stuff. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. I'm glad you brought up the Neanderthal thing, and it also you you address the prevalence of other hominins. I think that's really cool. I personally have a footprint cast from that general area from an Alma. Doctor Meltrium gave it to me and he recently when I was in Ohio, he showed me a three D scanned print.
Some people went over I think it was Coffin's collection over there, and they they they scanned it and then they three D printed it when they got back to the States. And again it's it's Ananderthal basically, is what you're seeing in Theandertal footprint or it's it's very very similar, I should say. But we have no information about what about these other hominins. Unfortunately, we don't
know if we have footprints of like homolog LONGI or anything like that. And a recent news article indicates that those homolonge might actually be Homodenis ovan, which I think is a fascinating possibility because we have so few Homo denisovan fossils. So something's going on over there and the answer is somehow related to human evolution.
And I think this is absolutely super cool and fantastic. Definitely. Yeah, I really Avan Sanderson is getting is getting his due now, you know, suggesting that there were all these different species all over the planet seemed ridiculous, of course back in the sixties, but science has proven it. Yeah, now it's not so much the case that it's ridiculous. And I think it's really neat that you address all that in the book. So yeah, and I even I remember from one of your shows, honestly, is it
Patterson? Oh, Gareth Patterson. Gareth Patterson, the author of Secret Beyond the Secret Elephants, right, uh huh, yeah, I just mentioned him in the book too. You know, just again that these are respected scientists, you know, and if you think that they're going to make something up like that, you know, you're barking up the rong tree. But no, so we've kind of taken a look at Afghanistan and that general area of the world. But you have a considerable section on the rock capes of Vietnam,
which which I just love. My father knew a witness. When my father was alive, he would go to the y and work out in one of his friends that you know, they just kind of became friends by working out the why together. He had seen one of these things, and that really impressed my father. I think, in fact, my dad heard that story before. A close friend of my father's came out and said that he had or she had seen a sasquatch, which kind of turned the page on
our relationship a little bit. It's not like we had a bad relationship, but he always knew his kid was weird, but at some point it kind of came around. It's like, oh, maybe he clips up to something. Actually that's pretty cool, I mean and real and instead of just weird. Right. Yeah, But he knew this rock ape witness back in the day. I guess he saw one while during a firefight, I guess in
his Vietnam service back in the war. But they were busy not you know, trying not to get shot, so they didn't pay much attention to it at the time, how many or did you have a chance at all to speak to Vietnam vets who observe these during their service or did you get most of the resource material from other books or articles or other means. Yeah, that's I got to speak to a couple of vets in person. Yeah,
so that was a really exciting thing. And that's one of the things I'm proud about in the book because I think I have collected more rock ape stories than anyone has yet, you know. So it's interesting when you go all the way back to like French explorers even you know that the indigenous people there, I think they call them the butt toots or new he run kind of means for forest people. So you know, there's a long history of these
things being there, and even some French explorers that accounts. There's an eighteen twenty account from a ship captain. Then there's another one in like nineteen forty seven a French officer who encountered one, So you know, these things even
before we got there, the lore was kind of around. And again when you start looking at the areas that we went into in Vietnam were you know, unexplored areas, Like a lot of those jungles were areas that outside of the indigenous people living there, no one had really explored or gone into. And the interesting thing about the RockA phenomenon is their behavior. How they seem like very angry about being disturbed by humans and almost like you know, very
aggressive in their response to that. And that's why they were called rock apes, right, because they reportedly threw rocks at the troops a lot whenever they'd kind of come into their areas, which, as you know, is kind of a pretty common bigfoot behavior also, right. But yeah, one of the veterans I got to talk to, his name is Mark, you know,
just on a side note, it's like awesome. One of the things about doing this book that you know, sometimes you don't even think about this right when you interview people, and I'm sure you've experienced that, just how exciting it is for them. You know. He sent me an email when he got the book, and just seeing his story in there, you know, almost made me tear up. It was so exciting for this guy and to know that, you know, his service was going to be remembered.
Him and his family was so happy about that. But it just really cool. Uh, so many accounts that it's hard to ignore. You know, it seems like such a bizarre idea that you know, these things were that aggressive and kind of unafraid of our troops. But it's like report after report of encounters with these things and them kind of shaking their fists at the soldiers and you know, throwing things at them or even like charging them sometimes.
But they seem to be a little bit shorter, a little bit smaller than a big foot. Did you hear you talk to you guys talking about my My friend's dad was a ranger over there, you know, recount ranger doing the rolls, and he said he never actually telled them, but his best friend and from high school that went into the uh ranger of school with him, was on a different platun that he said that some guys got blown up,
actually that they would grow grenades. They wouldn't know if they or rock apes or like VC or whatever enemy troops they'd throw and they said that there's rock ape ended up having to like fold the pins wait two seconds in through it because the rock as should pick them up and throw them back. Yep, yep, yep. I got a couple of reports exactly about that. In fact, there was even certain units that were told like don't throw your
nades, like when you go through this area. Yeah, if these apes were so aggressive, did people take shots at them and kill some of these things? And if so, what happened to the bodies exactly? And that's what I wonder too, because yes, there's a couple of reports of you know, them finding dead ones, like in the morning, you know, like something would trip the trip of flair. They think somebody's you know,
trying to probe the wire and light it up. Next day they go out and find like a shot of you know ape that nobody kind of knows what the hell it is. You know, where's the pitchers, right, like where's some part evidence of that kind of stuff. A couple counts too, of like booby traps that they had set up they kind of went off and they'd find, you know, bodies of these rock apes have blown up. There was a special forces team they were kind of laid up waiting in ambush
and they heard like this mysterious kind of like choking and gurgling noise. They kept hearing for like three days, like three nights, and it couldn't locate what this thing was, and so that when they moved down on the fourth day, they actually found this decomposing ape man what they called it, nearly blown like completely in half by what appeared to be a land mine. But they said, you know, they've described it. Said it had shorter hair
in its head. I set back an inch and a half from a prominent brown line, a flat nose, long arms, with large and lengthy fingers. They said, one hand was still wrapped around the tree bench of his clutching when it had died, and the teeth were like flat, well form molders with long pointed canines. Yeah. So you know, are you guys aware of any recent sightings of new erungs? Me? So that's the other thing, you know, like, what's happened then, what's happened in our
Vietnam expedition for finding Bigfoot? I don't remember if we had any recent witnesses, you know, I think they were at least a couple of years old, or you know, even further than that in the past. And I know that from my time out in the field, we didn't run across any of those things or have any you know, noises back at us or anything like that. But we did run across some people living out there. Apparently
there are I think, Rember, my memory serves. I think there are thirteen different ethnic linguistic groups living in the jungles of Vietnam, away from society and cities and all that sort of stuff. And I found a little humorous actually because where I'm out there doing my big foot stuff, howling and hoopin and stuff, and I heard similar calls. But it turns out that's exactly what the local people do who live in the woods, in these little villages.
They go woo does all locate each other. That's how they go about their lives, locating each other. So none of my tricks, you know, my bag of tricks was actually was completely useless. You know, out of the woods, you actually saw a couple you saw some of those forest people. I did, I did, I did. They're were in like a knockoff Adidas and stuff like that, right, I mean the Adida shirts and things. But yeah, totally. I saw some of it at a
distance and they kept their distance too. We saw some of those giant bee hives at night that are found in the top parts of these huge caves and whatnot that they have over there, and they were out doing that sort of
stuff. So in other parts of the world, I saw that you devoted a small chapter or a small sub chapter, I guess, to the Solomon Islands, which I thought was really interesting because I'm a fan of hominins and unknown hominoids in general, all throughout Indonesia and Papua New Guinea and the whole nine, everything from the Ring Pindeck in one corner all the way down to Well. I knew about a couple of things on Papua New Guinea, but
I didn't know about the Solomon Islands, so that was fascinating. Now, is there a military base out there or something, or were these things found? And what are they? This is from World War two and these are actually Japanese Army accounts Aguadalcanal, you know, one of the famous battles of World War two that we fought, what nineteen forty two to forty three, So again interesting. The local indigenous I'll try to pronounce it right. I
think it's the Luna Sudahuri tribe. They've always had stories that these things exist and they call them the Mumu m you but they're sasquatch like huge creatures, long black, brown reddish hair. The kids are always told stories, you know, that they'll abduct you and they're cannibals, so they're kind of scary to the locals. Now these things are like described as being true giants, like almost ridiculous, like ten to fifteen feet tall, red eyes, flat
noses. They kind of resemble. There's some similar creatures in Malaysian folklore known as the Irang mahwas or irang that are said didn't have it like the jungle jahor in Malaysia. So you know, there's even like some similar creatures on other islands. But supposedly the Japanese when they infiltrated all the kind of Guadalcanal's forest, they ran into these things. They said. There's even a report of like a squad being attacked by one that had like a crew club.
They were reported to like snap thick trees and branches in half to display their power. They'd scare the Japanese at night with these loud fulish you know, like whaling, and so the Japanese kind of called them the Solomon giants. That's what they kind of came to be known. As. And then another really interesting one from the Japanese the Yuku Islands, which are part of the
Okinawa chain. A very short primate like commented that they found there that they called the kiji muna ki j i m u n a. But these things were described as being like the size of a three or four year old human, to the point where one soldier action kind of went on the beach, like saw it from behind and thought it was a child, and then when it turned around, you know, he realized it wasn't. Then it took
off. And they claimed that these things would like, you know, look for seafood at night on the beach, like you know, looking for crabs, and in the morning they'd find like these piles of empty shells, and that was always like a sign of that there was a kijimuna nearby, you
know. They just like our guys in Vietnam. The Japanese soldiers saw these things return home try to attract some scientific interests and going back and looking into it, and you know, were laughed at, which I always find interesting, right, like to be laughed at people who weren't there to tell you what you experienced, you know, just talking cryptozoology in the Solomon Islands.
Like twenty seventeen, they found a new species. There were always legends about this, like giant possum like rat that lived in trees and it could crack open coconuts with its teeth, and it was proven true. They found the creature in twenty seventeen. It's a new species that they classified. Yeah, so again, there's lots of new animals to discover out there. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after
these messages. Coming back to the United States a little bit. Do you have anything here about sas I'm sure you have some ghost stuff in here. We'll get to that probably in the bonus episode or whatever. But do you have any Sasquatch stuff associated with Gettysburg because it's kind of a well known Bigfoot spot. No, I don't. I wish I had come across that.
Yeah. I think back in the day Moneymaker ran an expedition in the area or something, and I've heard heard quite a few stories from that general area, So it's curious if you're going to have that in there. No. Now, I open the book with my own strange experience there Oh, what happened to you? Yeah, you know, nothing that exciting, But I just relate a story that you know, And I've been there many many times because my stepfather and my mom lived near Gettysburg, so I spent a lot
of time out there and never had anything happen. And then I was passing through the area and the hotel I stayed out was near like Hanover, the north side of Hanover Road. The East Calvary Field is what it's called, and it's, you know, a more remote part of the battlefield that's kind of even separated that a lot of people don't even know it's there to go visit. And it's where the big Calvary battle went down between Custer and Jeb
Stewart. They're kind of two of my favorite generals. So I went out there one morning and got there right when the park was opening, and literally was like the only person in the park. I was by myself in that section, so, you know, just kind of moving through and I know that battle real well. And if you've been to Gettysburg, you know how it looks exactly the same. You know, it's still it's not that hard to have to imagine the battle because you can see the geography in front of
you. So I was kind of moving through and stopped at a place, and you know, I was just really into it, thinking about what it
was like to fight there and what had happened. And I had been sitting in my car for probably about five minutes, you know, the car was off, I was in park level ground, had been there, just sitting, and all of a sudden, you know, my whole car was like pushed so much that you know, like I physically like moved in my seat and I thought someone had literally like pulled in and tapped me, you know, which I was like, what the hell, Like, no one else
is even here? Why did you have to park that close to me? And when I turned around, nobody, you know, nothing was there. So I was like, okay, like because I know I felt it, drove on down further, had a few more you know, got out of the car and did a few more things, and then the whole time I was taking photographs throughout the park, and the very last photograph I took, you know, I never had a photograph like this happened to me. And
it's hard to see in the book. I included the look, but like you know, black and white, and the way it just printed you can't really see, but there was a you know, there was a shape there, and there's like a strange you know, like kind of energy line through the camera through the photo, and my camera's never done that any other picture
before, so it's just interesting. You know, like that coupled with the push, it just made me wonder, like, you know, was somebody else out there with me that they well, they routinely do like ghost trips or something to Gettysburg, don't they. Yeah, all the time. It's it's considered to be a huge paranormal hotspot. That's just one of my personal
theories about battlefields, you know, when there's so much emotion expended. I'm not necessarily someone who believes that hauntings are like an actual spirit, right, I kind of tend more to the belief that it's like an energy imprint. You know, when there's that much emotion expended, how much sudden death, that much just turmoil you could see where you know, that much energy expended,
it could leave a physical impression on that geography forever. And that's kind of my impression that when we see those things, it's more of like witnessing a time loop or like a movie that's replaying, and sometimes for some reason we can perceive that, you know, And so it just makes sense that battle feels like Gettysburg or even in the book, like a place in Afghanistan
it's called O P Rock Observation Point Rock. That is one of the most convincing, like haunteens I've ever come across, you know, when you have numerous eyewitnesses saying the same things happen, that's what always makes me pause. So I think we're probably going to get into the more paranormal weird stuff during the bonus episodes here, but I'm kind of keeping an eye on the clock right now, and I don't want to. I want to make sure that
we don't go too much over here. But think about some of the some of these stories and some of the witnesses you've had face to faces with, you know, and then the emotions that they've conveyed to you. So maybe if you can share maybe one or two stories that really stuck with you, you know, that really kind of moved you in some sort of way, and share those with us as kind of a parting thought. I guess we saw a little bit of time and not rushing out the door or anything.
Do's gonna be wrong? But really, I mean because writing a book like this about the military and some of these battlefields and dealing with witnesses in general,
it can be imagine a pretty moving experience. What really stuck with you from the writing process of this book as far as personal stories goes, I think one of like kind of just kind of brought some fear in to me because it's one of the theories I've thought about often is whenever, you know, we think these things, they disappear right like they're even track ways where
people see it, and then like they look and it's gone. One of my theories is they might you know, be up in trees as we know, like we as humans rarely look up, you know, we rarely look up. And I think sometimes that that's what's going on. So I remember a story is from ap Hill for a ap Hill in Virginia, and it was some marines. So they were dropped up by helicopter. They're out on maneuvers. It was three marines pulling guard duty. It's kind of you know,
early morning, like O two hundred oh four hundred. But they said the woods got real quiet, and he kind of looked up from his seated position on the ground. He saw this huge shape like standing in the tree right above him, you know, and it like stood out real clear against
the sky. It was about thirty feet away, and he saw it kind of holding onto the tree with this long arm and it's you know, he could tell it was like seven to eight feet tall, but he couldn't see where its feet ended, so he wasn't even sure how tall it was. So he watched this thing like just frozen in terror as it kind of moved real silently from that tree in front of him to the next one, like
just vanished from sight. So kind of the next morning he asked everybody else in the unit, just you know, not being specific, but like kind of saying, any guys see something in the trees last night, you know, And another one of the marines was like affirmative, I did, and he kind of described the same thing he had seen, this manlike figure that he watched quietly moving like around the trees around their position, you know.
So they all kind of confirmed they'd seen this bizarre thing and it insertable being canment just used in those old drove trees kind of as a quiet way to get around. So that kind of just stuck with me because I think seeing something like that, you know, it would have been pretty scary kind of look up and see this man standing in the tree above you. Yeah,
it's definitely a high creep factor. And it's also a reminiscent of the copra, which is one of the local names in the Philippines for these giant sasquash like things that they apparently they stand up or hang out up in trees and or you know, the mythology around them says that they smoke a cigar because you can see the red embers burning, which it might be like their eye
reflection or something like that. Who knows what's actually going on. Yeah, it's interesting how there are so many echoes, you know, of other traditions, you know, from all throughout that general area and all stuff on military basis down in the Philippines. Super interesting stuff. Well, you know what, I think, I think it's time to bring this segment of our interview
to a close and everything we can. We can continue on in the members section and get into the really weird stuff, which is always a lot of fun, of course, but before we split, Where can people buy Haunted War Tales, True Military Encounters with the Bizarre paranel when I'm explained by RC
Bramhall, for sure, I mean it's literally available everywhere. But honestly, I recommend that I really like people to go to their local independent bookstore and ask for them to order it, and I feel like that helps the local bookstore and then usually they'll also order another copy right to have on the shelf once they see if somebody's interested in it. So honestly, that's the way I like to suggest it. But you can follow me at RC Warrior Poet
on Instagram. You can find me on Facebook. RC bram Hall. But yeah, I really appreciate the opportunity. So I've been a fanny guy for here, some friends here with Loud Blackburn, one of your old buddies, and he actually even helped me a little bit kind of looking over the book when I was ready to publish. I appreciate him too, And would it be possible for me to get like maybe a dozen copies that are autographed for me to sell it at the museum. Definitely, we can work that out
and get them sent to you. I will talk to you about that off air, but I would love to have some of this stuff. I think it's a great book, so I look forward to reading the rest of it, because just just leafing through it, this is a high quality book. It's totally nonfiction, which I love. Firsthand witnesses directly from the witness's mouth. In a lot of cases, this is a really cool book. Thank you, Thank you, Klyn. Appreciate it so much. Thank you for
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