Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and rade it. I'm stay and listening watching NIM always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay Bobo. How you doing, my friend? Not too shabby? How are you? Not so bad? Not so bad? Pretty good day. Spend a lot of it on the phone, though, I'll tell you that it's been a great week. So much to catch up with you about it. Actually, yeah, I kind of lie. I am shabby, but I'm
doing good. Yeah, I am hanging in there. I'm hanging in there for sure. Yeah. I talk to a couple of various people today on the phone that I don't connect with too much. I a for Renee for a while. Oh you did she got to England or something? Yeah, yeah, she was over there. She went over there for a little while and then she's back now and yeah, yeah, so that was kind of cool, kind of caught up a little bit on that and what she's been up to. And she's doing some you know, some science stuff, some
kids stuff, you know. I think what is she called green bathing or no, no, she nature deficit, something immersion or other. I don't know, getting kids in the woods basically what it comes down to. She had a term for it, because she's fancier than I am in a lot of ways. But I don't I don't remember exactly what that is. But
it was good catching up with her. Well, you can charge more if you if you call it, if you get a title like that to say where are the kids in the wood, to say we're doing a green environment that you can charge twice as much. You put a lot of syllables in the words. Make it fancy, yeah, like audible primates, audible primates. Extension learning is another way of saying, you know, bigot beyond podcast right or something like that. I don't know, I don't know, but
yeah, but it's always nice catching up with her. But I was in the woods this week and lo and behold, I found some interesting stuff. Man. Trying to add a new area, a new area, which is really cool. I actually been to that. I went to this area probably ten or fifteen years ago, and and it's just one of those things. The show started and it's kind of far enough out there that it's hard to get to the roads are extraordinarily shoddy, to say the very least. In
fact, it's so far out there. My nerd bigfoot investigator friends and I have started calling it the Outer Rim, which is, you know, a Star Wars reference for all all you nerds in the audience. There might be a couple of you out there. Yeah, so we're calling this the calling this area the Outer Rim now. And so I went out there. There's this obscure pond that has no roads or trails associated with it. So I
went out there and checked it out. And Dave, my friend and employee here at the ANBC, we we parked at the at the dead end road there and we went out off trail. It's about a half mile or a mile or something like that out off to this little pond. And on the way out I found this big impression. I go, oh, this is interesting. It's kind of a little vague. Those may maybe toes, I'm not quite sure. And it was seventeen inches long by seven inches wide.
So that's again, man, that's pretty big, man. But that's interesting. That's interesting. I took a couple of pictures of it. But you know what else I did, Melissa and I upgraded our phones this week. So I have a fancier phone now, so I downloaded one of those three D scanning apps and I took some scans, and man, it's a game changer. It's a game changer, holy smokes. But I'll get back to that in a minute. In fact, if you check. But I just
text to a short little video and I'll get to that thing. I sent you a video. Yeah. So anyway, I found the seventeen by seven impression out there, and again, this is off trail totally randomly, is kind of near a creek. And then we make it to this pond and we circumnavigate the pond and it's a pretty big pond actually, you know, it's not like you know, fish lake size or something like that, but it's pretty big, at least an acre or two I would say, probably
a least an acre and a half or something. Anyway, going around the pond, I find more seventeen by seven impressions in two different locations. And one of the locations, you know, how like at the side of a pond or creek or lake, rather like the reeds are very often you know, like down at the surface of the water and there's mud underneath it, so the impressions went through that, so there's no chance in casting them. I was just look at that. How'd you cast that? Yeah? You
really? I mean, you can try, but you'd be lucky to get anything. And I've certainly put plaster in a lot of things that I didn't think, you know, a lot of leaf litter and reeds in my time, and generally I just kind of waste plaster. But yeah, but the first time I found this, or the second time, I guess that,
well, the first time was on the way there. So the first time I found it around the lake, there were three of these three or four of these impressions about seventeen inches long that showed the suggestions of toes seven inches wide, all in this one area. And that's really cool. This is really cool. Then we walk further and then you know, halfway across the
pond like thing on the other side, we find another one. So we had three different locations where we found impressions that I thought probably were footprints, and they all matched the same size and same shape and same dimensions. I think that's it. Do you get a step lank? Did you get consecutive ones? A good measure of step two out of three of those, No, we didn't. That's that we lacked that two out of three of those. They were single prints, you know. And then there's reasons for that.
It's we didn't, you know, disappear into the ether or some nonsense or portals. But it was just like the substrate was only good in that one spot, and everything else is tough. And these were fairly old anyway, but that one spot where there were two or three or four of them all together, it didn't seem like it was walking around necessarily. It seemed more like it was like kind of the standing around and left several footprints in
this one area. There were a couple in secession. There were about thirty five thirty six inches in between step length something like that, So pretty pretty decent size, you know, but you know, nothing crazy or anything like
that. So yeah, that cool. And then remember there are no trails or roads or anything going to this water hole here, right, So we're walking down the creek this little trickle that comes out of the pond, and it's going down towards the abandoned road that we parked at the end of. There's a big they brimed up this whole thing, and we're walking down there. We get to the road, the abandoned part of the road, which is probably two or three hundred yards east or south or something like that of
where we park the car. And so we get down there and the trickle is going across the roads and boom, right there in front is a trackway, a pretty clear trackway of juvenile prints. These things were like nine inches long. They were so cool. Yeah, And then like a holy crap, and there were like one we found I think four or five of them in a row there. We've we located another one going the opposite direction about thirty or forty yards away on the same road. I cast two of those,
I believe. I sent you scans of those. I scanned them all too in this app thing. Man, unbelievable. And then, uh, look, while those were drawing, I looked around and I found another very possible fourteen inch track about one hundred hundred and twenty yards down the road in another wet spot. You know. So yeah, so we very possibly found three different individuals footprints that day. Definitely one or two, I think, But that fourteen incher is a maybe. I think it's a definite possible though
sounds like a yeah, mom and dad and a young young girl. Yeah, well, I think the seventeen might be hanging out at that pond kind of a lot, because man, I've got like, I mean, this place is not easy to get to. It's it's far flung, it's way it's in the outer rim. Man. This is like, you know, like this is like tattooing. You know, this is like way out there. You just don't go there really. But despite of that, I have
like four or five reports from there. So when you look at the ratio of information coming out of this area versus the number of people who actually go there, it's pretty high. So I'm very, very encouraged of this place. Now, I sent you the scans of the two juvenile footprints in the ground. I just texted those to you, so I don't know if you have those or not, but you could always take a look at those really
cool stuff. I will send the scans of some of these footprints to Matt prud and you can post them in our members section in case anybody's who's listening to this regular episode as a member. You go to the Patreon you can see these scans of the footprints. I think they're pretty cool and I think they're legit, man, So I'm gonna be keeping a very close eye, as you know, as often as I could spare them in the words of
Gandalf, to go check out this area. So yeah, that sounds awesome, pretty exciting week man, new area with several very likely footprints from it. I'm gonna keep on going there, and you know, I think Melissa's gonna be out of town in another week or two. I might try to maybe spend the night down there. We'll see. Yeah, but this technology, man, everybody should get the scanning app. Holy crap, what's there? The app? Well, there's several scanning apps that are all probably equally
good. The one I happen to have on my phone right now. I'm not endorsing or anything like that because I don't know if they're the best or not. I'm probably gonna play around with other technologies as well. The one I happen to have is called scan a Verse, but there are several that I could choose from, and one or two people that I consulted with said, oh, this is what I have and I like it. So I just got that one because a couple of the people I know are already using
it. I probably should download one or two others just to give the other ones a test ride. And of course, if anybody out there is listening and you work for one of these companies or you know something rad or better, by all means, let me know, let me know what I can do with it, et cetera. I'm looking to maximize this technology for my uses here, so if anybody can help me out with that, I would appreciate it. So, yeah, that was cool. That was really cool.
An exciting week there. Oh and I got a great story together today in the shop. You know, I'm not you know, stories or stories, you know how I am about that across the road. Cool, that's great, you know that sort of thing. But this, this story is kind of cool. This woman came in. She's eighty years old and this story happened to her when she was eleven, So that puts it at what
like nineteen fifty five, I think something like that. So this happened in nineteen fifty five out in Scottpoose, Oregon, which is on the Columbia River, just a little bit west of Portland, in that general area northwest of Portland, and she was out riding on trails on a Shetland pony of all things. Now mind you, she was alive. She was riding on a Shetland pony, which is adorable to begin with, and she's you know,
kind of overgrown trails and that sort of thing. She's out there, had a trotting along and a very large sasquatch basically reaches out like ambush predator, reaches out from the trail from the brush on the side of the trail and scoops up her horse that she's on, scoops up her Shetland pony, lifts them both up, realizes, holy crap, that's not a deer or whatever. You know, there's a girl on the back of that thing. Drops it, stares at her for a moment, and then bolts the opposite direction
off into the brush. Wait, how to pick her up? Did she? Did? She tell you? Like, work out like both hair. I use both arms obviously, like you pick up a dog, like from underneath, you know, like in between the light, like scooped scooped up the horse that she was on, you know, and then I briefly picked her up for like just a moment before it realized this mistake, dropped and then bolted the other direction. Oh my god, not crazy. That's one
of the craziest things I've heard. And of course she goes, yeah, I and she said that it didn't scare her because it was so fast. She didn't really understand what was going on. She thought it was just like this big dude, like it looked like she said, it was like this big dude covered in hair, really weird. But she just thought it was a really really really really really big human. And now looking back, she realized, well, that was a human. What a was I thinking?
You know, that just a big human covered in hair. Out that's crazy. And of course the the Shetland pony freaked out and then just told you know, went crazy and ran off. And so she was kind of holding on to it, you know, on the back, trying to stay onto it as a little eleven year old girl. But still, what a what a wild story that is. Can you imagine having that experience? And I took her in the back room at the NABC and I said, hey,
here's Murphy. Tell me what's the same, what's different, as I often do, and she goes, oh, you know what, the skin was not that colled the skin was more brown, because Murphy's kind of this grayish black sort of skin color. And he said, well, then the the skin was more brown than that, and the hair was a little bit longer here and there, and that kind of thing. And again nitpicked, and
she said it was also the one that she saw. Mind you, she was eleven, and she admitted that her memory might be a little distorted because of the time period it's been set, you know, sixty nine years after all. She said that its seemed a lot bigger than Murphy, but Murphy is six seven and a half feet tall. And she said that when she went back to the spot with her dad there was a nine foot tall branch that the thing might have touched or bumped upon her did something like that.
So her dad believed her. Yeah, apparently so apparently, so do they find evidence to her dad find any evidence? She didn't mention it. She didn't mention it. No, But really cool, lady. What's funny is I have heard been picking the stuff up and carrying it, but it's you know, it's been like pigs sheep and that seal and John Greensburg seal up in thea Bay and then I guess people have seen him carrying chickens and peace under their arms, like they just picked it up and carried it off alive.
And some deers I've heard of that, but usually take care about the neck and snapped the neck right away. So you wonder if I was taking it a lit, if I was taking it alive, you know, trying to take it somewhere alive. It's kind of interesting. I don't know. I think the whole thing happened so fast that she I mean, I don't think she really had a good comprehension of what was going on at the time,
but you know, she got a pretty good look at it. And I asked her about the eyes, because you know, I'm always interested. Did you see the sclera which is the white part? She goes, you know, no one's ever asked me that, and I don't remember, but I seem to think I did, you know. And so yeah, she's been very great witness. You know, she's just honest and kind of like, I'm not I don't remember, and oh yeah I know this, so that and it's just very matter of fact and you know, good natured about
the whole thing. And yeah, she was great there. It just happened to be driving by actually and saw the sign and she goes, you know, I saw one of those ones we should stop, and then she did, Wow. See that's amazing. It's like, so it's got this great story and it's just happenstance that you get to hear it. You know. It's just it's that's how most of it goes, you know. It's like I've heard more stories it adverted like that that I have, like people seeking
me out to tell me totally. Totally. It's kind of neat to have a place like the nabc's and it's like this beacon, you know, beacon of hope that people can come in and share their stories or whatever and we can write them down and plot them on a map and see if there's any patterns and all that sort of stuff. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Anyway, that's that's what I've been up to. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Yeah, so I said about that, probably my buddy was gonna buy behind like three lock gates. There's only two other parcels inside this one. Hundred thousand acres. He would be the only full time resident in there. There's two like hunting cabins. I guess there's a house and stuff with people don't live there anymore. Is there room for a trailer? Dude that's gonna say, get it? Yeah? They got five more weeks a escraw?
Okay, all right, very good. Well, if you do happen to take the trailer, I'd be great, by the way, because we're dealing with wood right now, all those trees and stuff that dropped in the property in January. We have a mill on the property right now and we're milling up all the wood, and we need some storage and all this other stuff. But if you do actually come up and take the trailer, in a way, I'll be sad because I won't have something to tease you about every
week. But in another way, I'll be really stoked because of the room. And I will be sure to videotape it. I will video it's removal for audio. Something can check it out. I look up to the hitch and I full off. It just tears the hitch out and they just breaks from the wheels. The axle falls off. You drag it out yeah, drag it out with sparks behind it, starting a big fire, burn down Whistle in neighborhood. It's in good shape, actually, I don't think that's
I mean it hasn't. It's actually been moved once. We had to pull it out and then reput it back in there because of a I was soaring something for my next runna for Gary. We had an old car in there for a little while. So yeah, we actually took it out and put it back in. So it's still rolls, it's still good. You know, it's inside. There shouldn't be a problem with it. I mean, it's probably pretty tight. I don't think if there's any rats or anything then
it. I haven't been in it like a year, but I keep offering people to sleep inside if they want, so they all do. I'm sure no one's no one's brave enough to do it yet, are you serious? Yeah, no one's brave enough to go in there. Like Shane and like Todd Hale were in the house and and nobody wanted to sleep in it. This is killer. I sleep better than just about anywhere. Well, anyway, you were talking, I'm sorry, tell me about the property. I'm
sorry. The guy who owned it. He's been he lit up there for like sixty years or something. He passed away his phone mowers are selling it. They didn't know any bigfoot stories off off the top of their heads all the time. Maybe not that they say they've only seen one bear. It's real rebot. They've only seen they saw a fathers hunting team one time walking on foot twenty years ago. You Other than that, they've never seen anyone
out on their property. I mean they see them like further away, like a mile or two away, like down you know, where they can hike any easier. But there's it's really hard to get to you Like there's it's you got to walk so far to get past those gates to get in there. It's I mean, I don't know if you got to go like seven
miles or something through block gates to get back in there. And where the branch is, it's kind of it's kind of isolated, like there's stuff to the west and north and east that definitely like you knows habaitat, but the closest so let's get to that, probably thinking about a mile and a half and so, I mean I'm sure they walked, you know, cut across
and stuff like that. But there's no like a he the family members didn't have any ongoing or you know, they never heard him talk about it, so they don't know if he just didn't talk about it and they had stuff habit or stuff just never happened. The only one way to find that is go there and spend some time, right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah definitely, or at least make the new property owners aware that there might be something
going on. They just planted new fruit trees. Yeah, there's there's a there's like horses in the corral going in there's they're gonna get chickens and also get some rabbits too, because they love rabbits. Just get something kind of loud, you know, something makes some noise. They'll probably get a goat. He'll probably get a couple of goats for fire control. Yeah. So, I mean he said, I can do expeditions there, you know, go out there one full access to it. He wants he wants to you
know, he wants to document if they're there. He's down for trying to document them. So put in some recording equipment and have some good stuff out there and see what happens. Right on, man it's nice to have a preserve that you can go on anytime you want. Yeah, for sure, it's gonna be killer. Yeah, a little little protective zone, which actually is a fantastic segue into our guests today. That's as much as people would probably love to hang out with just you and I, we have an amazing
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of our listeners probably have heard about this effort spearheaded by this woman. Our guests today a fifth grade teacher from Hoquiam, Washington at Lincoln Elementary School. Her name is Andrea Andrews, and she has been doing great work. She is a do gooder in the very very best way. Andrea, thank you so much for coming on big Foring and Beyond with us. Oh absolutely, thank you for having me. Rea. So happy that you can make it because you are You are just a beacon of light in this dark world we
live in. Because you are doing something that almost nobody else is doing. You're advocating for the safety of sasquatches. Now, there's really very few ways to do that at this point, especially getting the government involved. I mean, I've been advocating for protecting public land and whatnot. That's the one way that everybody can get involved and protect sasquatches. But you've been doing something else entirely. Can you please tell us and our listeners about the efforts you've been
making. Certainly so the last few years we have been my class fifth graders have been taking a specific county that I assigned to them, and what they're doing is we go through multiple steps, which I'm sure we'll get into, but what they end up doing is they are actually writing letters to the commissioners of that county, whichever county it is, to ask that we have laws
in place to protect bigfoot. Because when we first started this, we realized, well, I had noticed that we only had laws in Wokham County and Scamania County and Washington State, and those laws had been in place for quite a while, nineteen sixty nine for Schamania, nineteen ninety one for Walkham County, and nothing had been done since. So the whole point was to get kids one writing too involved in all of their government stuff, because none of
them were having time to learn about their local civic stuff. We just don't have time for that anymore. We're so focused on ELA and math, which was great, that's awesome that we're doing that, But this is a great way to just kind of sneak it in there, but then make them have to learn all of the Let's do some scientific research, let's do some writing, let's do some persuading. So it's pretty awesome, ready, kids anti Bigfoot. You know, every year I end up with a group that we
don't call it antype Bigfoot. I'll tell you what we call it. We call it the time Savers. What they do is there by the end of the project, we end up splitting the class in two, and one side can be much larger than the other. Last year I had two that were on the no, we don't need lass side, But this year I had probably about ten to ten on one side, fifteen on the saving Sasquatch side.
And then what they do is they have to construct a persuasive letter to the Saving Sasquatch side of their class that says, we're the time savers. We think you're wasting your time. Here's why. Now that's not necessarily kids that don't believe in Bigfoot. Some of them are kids who believe in Bigfoot but just don't think we need loss. Okay, there's quite a few of them that truly believe in Bigfoot but decide that we don't need laws to protect
Sasquatch. And they have different reasons. Some of them, I'll tell you right now. Some of my boys, they're hunters, and they think that we should have a hunting season so that we can have a body to research. So that was actually okay, I'll give you that it was legit. Are there consequences to the civic notions that you've passed at this point? I mean, or is it just like Mason County, for example, is kind of thumbs down against it. No, here's the difference between the ones that
we've gotten. We have gotten both proclamations and resolutions. Okay, we'll walk us through the difference on those two things. Yes, so, and it's taken me a while to figure this out. So with the proclamations, basically, the county is saying, hey, we're making a notice out loud that if you happen to run into Bigfoot and it turns out to be real, please don't harm it. Let's leave it alone so we can continue to study it kind of thing. So we're making it a refuge area now with a
resolution. They're actually stating within the resolution, if Bigfoot turns out to be real, it is then probably an endangered species, so we would want to protect it as that. So they're saying, don't even think about it. So it's just one step deeper. But none of them so far have finds consequences, none of that or teeth. I guess if you want to say none of them happen. Actually, I think I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Scamania County one is the only one that actually has
fines attached to it. Okay, yeah, yeah, I think I think that's right. Actually, and the finds were originally ten thousand dollars, but they dropped in eighty four when they re established it, yeah, to some much much smaller amount. I can't. Yeah, is this your brain child? Like you saw that? Like, hey, this is a really cool way to get my students involved doing multi curricular activities like this, you know, like writing and reading and civics and government, like all these sort of
different subject areas condensed into one project. Was this your idea and you saw the need or how did this idea come about? Yes, So how it came about was when I was in college getting my teaching CERTs and all that stuff. I was getting my bachelor's degree and one of the classes that I had was, hey, you guys are going in at a time where because this was probably six seven years ago, in one of my classes and they were like, you're going into teaching at a time where ELA and math are
what you're going to spend very much most of your day on. That's just how it is. And ELA is English language arts, English language arts. Sorry, yes, So they said, you know that's pretty much what you're going to be stuck with. So one of our classes was, we need you to take this and go across curriculum and either take my or English and build a lesson that is going to go across at least you know, one
or two other subjects. So I started doing it, and I kept going with it and building it, and I turned it in and my professor was really good about it. He was like, Okay, here's your a. You did a great job. You've given me all the evidence for it, but be careful with this. A lot of people are going to look at it as you're trying to get all the kids to believe that sasquatch is real, and somebody might take that the wrong way. But here's the thing with
that. I don't do that. Even though I'm I'm a believer, I'm out there, you know, listening and hoping to hear things and see things. However, I don't start it that way with the kids. The kids start day one with a piece of paper that has on one side a sasquatch cute cartoony one giving a thumbs up, and on the other side a bear doing the same thing. They decide day one, what do you believe.
Do you believe sasquatch is an animal that has simply not been identified yet, or do you believe sasquatch sightings are an animal we already know of, like a bear that has been misidentified. They make their decision, tape it to their spot, and then they are instructed you are allowed to change this at any point as many times as you want to through the next few weeks. Then we go in. I preload into their Google classroom files that have vetted
research. So I go in and I find different things on both sides like I've got you got, I've got little clips of you guys that I found on YouTube. I've got an article about Jeffrey Meldrum and is cast collection and how all that works. I've got things on gigantopithecus in there. I've got things on bear walking like humans. It's scary how much they can look like a human when they walk. So I want all sides to be covered. But then they have to do the scientific research, go through and decide what
do I believe. Once they make up their mind completely, they then have to learn how to we go through the steps to learn how to write a five paragraph essay, and for fifth graders that's a lot. I remember the days, yeah, right. In fact, I imagine there's a couple of my former students out there listening to this. They probably remember the days too, right. So what we do is they write me a five paragraph essay with evidence backing it, telling me, yes, I believe Sasquatch is real,
here's why, or no, I don't and here's why. But I want that evidence in there. I want to see you've done your research on We get past that. That's when we split the class and then as a group they write their letters. We learn how to write persuasive letters at that point, and those letters are directed at who the saving Sasquatch side, they direct theirs to the county commissioners of whichever county I have assigned them that year,
and I just choose the county. And then the other side is the time savers, where they're sending the letter to the other half of the room, telling them why they're wasting their time trying to get laws to protect Sasquatch, why they shouldn't do it, what the benefits are. They have to do research on their endto stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. So the county commissioners and whoever
at whatever county they receive a packet of letters. And then what's the next step from there to actually getting this stuff on paper and making it official. Well, the letter part they write as a group. So they only received one letter and it's from Miss Andrews Class, fifth grade class. They introduced themselves in the letters as we are the students of Miss Andrews' fifth grade class.
That way, I'm not putting their names out there. Initially and then once they get the letter, what has happened in the past, It's gone down a couple different ways. When we did Grace Harbor, we were in twenty twenty two. We were still where they were doing zoom meetings, only they weren't doing in person meetings at all, so they had just a tiny little room and they sent us a video later of themselves recorded doing this meeting and they were on there and it was so cute. There was only probably
five people in the room. They sat there and they started telling stories about well I remember when I was in high school and I had my own experience, and it was really cool to watch them and they were just they were having a blast with it. And then after that we went to Clollham County, which when we did Clollen County, they have the wonderful Sasquatch What's coming up the festival that they have Sasquatch Days up there and Cliff, I saw
you there last year. Yeah. Absolutely, when they have that, they actually put that into their resolution. It was great, they actually listed it in their resolution. But they with Clollham County, they had us zoom in to the meeting and watch the whole process. Go down live, so the kids got to watch that. Well, then this year the kids got to do the same thing. We had been invited to go in person, but
we weren't able to find transportation because it was such short notice. But it was so nice of them they invited the whole class to come up and go in person to see it. What got you had? A bigfoot has a high IQ? Well, I'll tell you. I grew up with my dad telling me an awesome bigfoot story that he had had an experience when he was
in his early twenties back in the sixties. And it was such a cool story because it was like him and his friend and they were out fishing at a lake locally, and it was one of those where it's a lake tucked back in the middle of nowhere, and all of a sudden they'd hear something
on the other side of the lake. They had split up. My dad thinks it's his friend, his friend thinks it's him, and then all of a sudden, boulders like big rocks start flying all the way out into the middle of the lake, and there's no way a human could a thrown rocks that far, And then they start high tailing it out of there, they're hearing something behind them. So it was this awesome story that he's telling me about it, and I grew up with that story, just loving it.
So I always had the notion of what if, what if? What if there's something out there? And then the last what fifteen twenty years, we start getting all these great shows, like you guys had done a great show. There's only one. There's only one great big fit show that I'm sorry, right, I know, it's I know, I agree with you, it's my favorite. I agree, So I think you guys should bring it
back. I'm just saying. But with all these great shows and stuff, my dad and I started watching them together, which has been so much fun as an adult to now get to watch them with him because he'll see things and he'll be like, oh see, yep, just like that, just like that, or you know, and I'm just like ooh, and I just I love the what ifs. I really do. I'm a big fan of what ifs. And I'm a big fan of not making up your mind
until you've at least tried to explore things. And I try to share that with the kids, and I think that's a lot of why I chose to go down this path as well is I want the kids to explore the what if and I want the kids to realize that one, if there's something out there that you want to explore, go explore it. But two, if there's something out there you want to change, use your local government, use your scientific research, get out there and do the legwork, make those changes
happen. Yeah, you're empowering the next generation. And then what can be better than that? And what else? Is really the purpose of civic education? You know? I mean education in general is a betterment of oneself and learning about this amazing place that we're occupying for sixty eighty years or so.
But as far as like the civics and government and persuades, the writing and all, but they what a fantastic use of all of this to do something good for something else instead of themselves, Because we live in such an egocentric, look at me sort of world and to do something for something, to do something good for an animal that most people don't even realize is real. It's just an astonishing achievement that you've been undertaken here. This is fantastic well,
and honestly coming from a low socioeconomic area. I truly think that a lot of these kids don't understand that they can make a difference in the world. I really don't think they understand that. And I want them to know how even as kids, your voice is being heard. You just have to use it, get out there and make a difference, do something. And they're seeing that and to get in the newspapers and these kids are blown away. The other day they I did a quick morning show appearance on a Canadian
radio show and the kids were like, they know us in Canada. The world thinks the world knows who we are. And I was like, yes, that's right, Yes they do. I did not show them a map to show them how close Vancouver, BC actually is to us. I was like, yes, you're right, we're world famous. Now, well, hey, Matt prut, if you don't mind stepping in just for a moment, please, what are some of the countries that are listening right now?
Oh, we get listeners all over the world. There's many countries in Africa, many countries in Asia, Australia obviously, all over Europe, and so we've got a pretty big listenership worldwide. I counted one time we like eighty something countries listening to us. Wow. Yeah, we usually make it, you know, in the top one hundred at least in the natural sciences category, and very often in the top fifty for many countries around the world.
So very grateful for all the worldwide listeners. My kids will not know what to do with themselves when they hear about that. Hope are not encourage them to just be like TikTok stars or something like that. Well, and it's interesting too because Mason County that gal was so impressed the commissioner that she told us she actually forwarded our letter to the state legislature and asked them, do you have any interest in following up on this and taking it on at the
state level? I told the newspaper. I said, well, I guess if that happens, we're just gonna have to start going state to state after this. So next I'm just saying, so back to when this first started back in twenty twenty two, and you were petitioning grays Harbor County specifically where
hoch Liam is located, and a ton of bigfoot stuff. Bigfoot stuff has happened in the past, the famous stuff from nineteen eighty two with all the sheriff Tennis Herriford and all those other people at the deputy when the word got back and like grays Harbor County basically said yeah, you know, this is cool, We're going to do this. What was the reaction, the initial reaction when it was done from the parents and from the students in particular,
and also from your colleagues at the school. That's what I was about, is a parent blowback. That's what I was wondering about. Well, I still do this day, have parents who at conference will be like, Okay, what's up with the bigfoot thing? And I'll be like, no, no, no, okay, here, let me explain it to you. And once I explain the entire process, even those that are very much naysayers are okay with everything and understand that the process is very scientific, is very
research based, is very much learning how to write all of that. It's very academic. It's not that I'm saying once again, hey, I'm going to improve to you that bigfoot is real. No sasquatch. Whether they're real or not, that's your decision to make. But we're going to learn a lot and we're gonna do a lot of research for you to make that decision, Well, what per some of your kids like change their mind or come in like like, let's the race believe not believe that when you start and
after so it's different year to year. I will say that this year I had probably ten out of twenty eight not believe when we started, and by the end of it, I had about ten on the Timesavers side. But if a handful of those had changed to believing, just not believing, we needed laws for protection. When I was teaching the last school I taught at before TV grabbed me and put me on a different path. My first year there I taught fourth grade. My second year there I taught sixth grade.
It was only that that last school for two years and then the fourth grade classroom. I remember very specifically my wonderful principal name Holly. She's great, loved a bits she and I before school started, Like one of my first meetings with her, she drove me. She was attending a workshop down down south of it in Oregon here and so I carpooled with her there because she
wanted me to take the same workshop with her. And this is before I even started working at the school and I remember on the way back, I turned her and said, so, uh, Holly, you didn't google me before you hired me, did you? And she and I saw like aler of the blood flushed out of her face for a minute. She could hear in a little bit wide and goes, So she turns me and goes, no, what, what am I going to find out? You know? And I'm sure she had all sorts of horrible things, way worse than what
I told her. And I said, well, asked it's a bigfoot thing. She goes, what, And then I started talking to her about and several times. She then erupted and just like went what you know, because because I was already necked deep into it, right, there's nothing I can do about it at that point. And she asked me, because I was teaching fourth grade, and when in fourth grade versus the end of fifth grade
is earlyst sixth grade, huge difference. I mean, the new fourth graders are basically old third graders, and that's a huge difference, right, And she she asked me, It's like, hey, do you mind if you keep this on the down low? And it's not because of the weirdness of the subject or the eccentricity of their teacher or anything like that, because she already knew I was kind of a weirdo, but she didn't want me to scare the children. Have you run across any concerns about that. No,
I really haven't. I try very hard not to let it get too scary. We talk about I can give you a great example. The kids have such a good understanding of it. The letter that they wrote this year. It was so amazing. One of my kids, Michael, he actually has a line that he got into the letter that he had come up with that said, look, if in fact any of the sightings say that Bigfoot was aggressive or mean, it's because he probably was cornered, and Sasquatch was probably
cornered, and any animal would fight back, even a bunny. I thought that was great though, even a bunny. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. I'll tell you what the district I work for. I am so lucky when I went in. I believed in this so much before it started. When I
went in for the interview with Hopham School District. This is the lesson I took with me to sell myself in my interview, and I had probably fifty pages worth of artifacts and everything I was getting used and lesson plans and it was all written out. And I mean, we're talking diversification for different levels, and I had it all and it was written up. It was saving Sasquatch, had the same name everything, and I just I fell in love with it when I developed it in college, and I believed in it so
much that my professor's warned me against using it for interviews. No, I just took it in and sold it and they bought into it. Suckers, right, they let me go with it, and now here we are and it's it's been just such a fun ride change in the world, one county at a time, that's right. So you're getting a lot of media attention. I mean, you're on our podcast, but you know like it sounds
like you were on something in Canada recently. What other newspapers or television news blips and stuff that are you aware of that it brought attention to this. So as far as I know, recently, we've every year we've made it into our local newspaper, which is Aberneen and see Aberdeen Daily World. And then I just found out yesterday that we made it all the way to the
Seattle Time, so and then it's really cute. Uh. The other day we actually googled the class and I googled fifth graders sasquatch, I think is all we put in. And I'll be darned if we didn't pop up all over the place, including under images. It was just us us us. I was like, there you go. And they saw that and they were like, we're famous on Google. I was like, yeah, you're famous everywhere. Fantastic now, of course, with you sticking your neck out like
this in a sort of squatchy way. Certainly some parents or colleagues or community members have brought you their their their sighting reports and you're like, hey, hey, well don't tell anybody, but I saw one, you know, crossing you know, Deacon Road or whatever. Few You surprised how few?
Though? Oh really I am kind of surprised how few? But then again, I'm I'm immersed in this every day, so right A lot have been like I don't know, and then I'll have the few that'll be like, oh yeah, no, I had this one time, and I'm like, oh, tell me, and I just love it. It's such a bonding experience for us. For one, how many times have they been had their ad eyes rolled at them that kind of stuff? You know that's happening to where to have me be let the teacher be like, oh, really,
tell me about it. They get so excited. But you know, the kids, the first thing they want to know every year is have you had anything happen? And I'm like, well, nothing major, but I will say and I have a We learn about narrative writing at the beginning of the school year, and I always use a narrative that I wrote that is just a story of It's a true story that I was sitting on my deck two
years ago. And I live in Montesano, kind of out in the woods a little bit, not much but a couple miles out, and I was sitting there and I'll be darned if I didn't hear wood knocks. I heard a wood knock and then I heard an answering wood knock that had a different tone and was a different rhythm, so I knew it was one to another. So either I'm hearing Bigfoot or I'm hearing people out sasquatch hunting. There's no way that's anything other than that. It was so clear and crisp,
and I could hear it and it was it was absolutely a communication. And I tell kids, I'm like, I'm like, that was my most exciting moment. And they're just like, so you think that Bigfoot lives by your house? And I'm like, Okay, we need to establish the fact that we're talking about a real animal, not one guy walking around a hairy guy.
Guys they at this age that is where we get the confusion. Oh well, I mean I at the museum, I have to counter that weekly that people come in they think Bigfoot is an individual and he has been seen for the last two hundred years from Florida to British Columbia. He looks great for his age. Then oh yeah, yeah, fantastic. So what's next? I mean, Gray's Harbor County, Claham County, Mason County. You're knocking them down by like bowling bins, you know, like, like,
what's next? Are you going to go to another county next year? Are you going to go state level? Or do you have any thoughts on that? I would liked it. I'm going to continue the counties as long as it goes. But I'll tell you what, by the Mason County, by them sending it forward to the state. If the state got a hold of me and wanted to back it, absolutely I would take it to the state level. Do you have any concerns that your success might actually put you out
of business? Like if cops, like if all cops did like the best job ever, And mind you, cops do a great job in that's and they don't. But if they were totally successful in eradicated crime, there'd be no need for cops, you know, like you might put yourself out of a good lesson plan, right, And here's the thing, if that ever happened, we can go to state, we can go to countries, but here we can also then sit back and relax and know that we've done something
good for the scientific world. So I'm okay with that. You're able to take an intergalactric if some of the people are right, they're right in UFOs. I've read those books that say they're coming through portals. Those are interesting. Those are a little out there for me, but who knows. So the kids must be beaming with pride and just empowered and beaming with pride and suit, just stoked in general. What a fantastic impression you're putting on them.
It's like they're going to remember this the rest of their lives. Well, and what's really cute is we've gotten so much great support from for everything from the school to the district, to the school board, all of them. But also like our local newspaper. Every year I go in and I try to buy a copy of the newspaper for every one of my kids. They won't let me. They just give me a bundle and they're like, it's for the kids. So the kids get a souvenir, they get a
copy of the paper with themselves in it to keep. And you know, when Clallam County had it, they sent a huge box of goodies for the kids that had little statues in it and it had sasquatch lip bomb and stickers and it's the kids are so tickled. Oh yeah, they must be just over the moon about the whole thing. Well, not to mention my first year, the first question I got when I said we were going to be in the newspaper, hands went up. I said, yeah, what's the
question. What's in newspaper? As I said, they know what it is. This group, thank goodness, knew what a newspaper was. I've had a few that did not. That's so funny. I was like, how are we that removed? Now we're just getting old. They'll figure out when they start watching Seinfeld reruns. There you go. I saw that the one kid Xander in your CLASSI heard a sasquatch or to call them. Any of their kids have any stories at all? A few had very minus stories.
Most of the stories were things like I had. I had probably three or four different kids that had stories like my dad and I were out fishing and we looked up and across the river something moved. It was in the bushes. It was really big. We couldn't tell what it was, but it looked like something stood up and then left. And I'm like, well, you absolutely could have seen something, honey. Plus, it's so good first and foremost to hear that these kids are doing things like going out and fishing
with their dads and stuff. I was just like, yes, get out there. And one of the main things that they got really excited about when we were writing the letters was when I taught them what at the end of a letter, what a call and at the end of their essays what a call to action was. And when they realized that within their essays at the end of it they could say things like, so let's all get out in the woods as much as we can. That way we can prove once and
for all that this is real. They were so excited by that to learn that they can include something like a call to action at the end of an essay and feel like just then their voices were heard. That was before we even started to get into the letter part. So it's been just such a gift to watch these kids blossom into this every year, and to watch how
much they grow from the beginning to the end is just amazing. Well, I can honestly say, I mean from you know, my time and education and moving onto the bigfoot world and all my weird life path, I mean, you are a gift to those children. So thank you. Thank you for all you do for all the children, because their echoes of this are going to reverberate through time. You know, you've affected these children in a way that every teacher does that the teachers just cannot comprehend. You just never
know what you're going to do or say. You might you might have started a biologist who might be able to study these animals in the wild once are actually discovered. I mean, who knows, and just my hat, my hat is off to you. I can't say enough good things about what you've done, So thank you so much for everything. Well, thank you, and thanks for shining a spotlight on it, because honestly, one, yeah,
these kids are getting some fame out of it. Okay, that's cute, but they're learning so much and if other kids can learn from this, let's keep it going. Thank you for everything you're doing for the children, for the future, for the community, for the state, for sasquatches,
and also for us coming on the show and talking about your efforts. It is so cool, so neat to hear what's actually going on, especially with all the bad rap that so often has heard about the education system that there's I mean, I know it's not with the media portraits because I was in it. I was in the trenches. I know this, but still getting word out that they're shining beacons of light like this, like this lesson plan that you developed up there. I hope you know. It just is so
refreshing and so great to hear about I can't thank you enough. Clearly, I keep talking about it. I can't thank you enough. You thank you enough? No, no, no, thank you, thank you you Well. That wraps up this. Andrews, a fifth grade teacher from Hope wey On, and her class, Thank you guys for doing all that and people you like Miss Andrews, keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's
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