Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so light shay, subscribe and rade it. I'm stuck and me rights on wish listening. Oh watch Lim always keep it squatchy. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello, Bobo. Hey, how you doing? Man good? How's it going? Oh I'm I'm exhausted. Here's a brief rundown of my day. Basically, I got up, I did a little stretching or whatever, trying to get back on the doing something
with my body bandwagon, got out the door, grabbed some coffee. I had to go to the museum to drop off some books that arrived or whatever. We got some very limited edition books from Hancock House that we just put out a post for our members, like what hardback of apes among us? And when was the last time we saw hardback? Man, I gotta get on there. Yeah, well they're probably gone by now, but we'll see. Our members are are are ravenous for collectibles, which is really cool to
have big foot nerds of like mine. Big guys, you say what you want to say. Yeah, you live in your own fantasy Bobo. But anyway, so yeah, to drop off some stuff at the museum yesterday, I went to the woods. I didn't find any tracks all the way. I walked three different three different river valleys. I was out there for a long time, put a lot of miles under my feet. I walked three
different river valleys. Found no sign whatsoever. But remember that tree structure that I'm not even a structure, that the break that I told you about sent you pictures. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that that is actually on some private land. So I swung by there and picked that up. So that is going to be displayed in the museum now because we found that thing in December, so whatever it was doing at the time is
probably long over by now or maybe not, who knows. But anyways, to kind of display that amongst our other tree breaks and all that other stuff that we have on display. So I dropped that off at the museum this morning. But we also got a hold of a map. A gentleman back east had this map that he asked me, have you ever seen this before a clif? I go, oh, gosh, no, I've never seen
one of those before. And he sent it to me as a donation to the museum is from the eighties, and Kevin Lindley is the guy who made it. One of these unsung heroes of Bigfoot, and he made the thing and his name's at the bottom. So yeah, this guy's name is a leaf from back east somewhere. He had a copy of this thing. And I've spoken to Kevin Lindley on the phone. I've seen his name everywhere. He was very, very prolific for a while. I don't know that much
about him, but he went out with Paul Freeman. I mean, he was associated with Krantz loosely. He somehow got a cast from Bluff Creek that is almost for sure the Patterson Gimlin film subject, but no one knows really where it came from. Yeah, he was just everywhere, and apparently he made this map. So we got a copy of that map from the eighties and framed it. So I dropped all that stuff off at work, came
home. I did taxes. That was a pleasure, of course, So I wrote a much checks for the government to go do whatever they do with it. And then then I get a call at eleven thirty am. And of course you may have noticed that we were scheduled for noon today to do our podcast, But at eleven thirty I get a call from previous guests and good friend of ours on the show, Dennis Full No way, I got a half done. I got a half done email. I was going to fish we got done, to sen you could come back on. It is
indeed a small world. Well he mentioned that to me, so he basically said, Cliff, are you at the museum today? And I go, well, no, no, today's my day off. Why are you in town? He goes, yeah, I'm at the museum right now. No way, gotta go. So I hopped in the car. I figured out, okay, I got to postpone the podcast a little bit, which is why we're late today. Sorry about that, I called bat PROCs. I figured it probably easier to get ahold of Matt than you, and I said,
Hey, Dennis, Fole's in the museum right now. I'm gonna be late. Blah blah blah. Can you tell Bobo for me please? And
it all worked out. So here we are an hour and a half later than we suspected we would be. But I just hung out with Dennis and his wife Shannon for the last you know, forty five minutes in the museum kind of showing them around and look at this, look at this, and you know, and which is I think valuable in some ways because the museum is you've been there many times, but it's kind of laid out where everybody's
going to get something out of it. But when somebody like Dennis or you or you guys, you Matt or Bobo, when one of you guys shows up and I'm talking to you, and I go, well, look at this though, you know, and I coulday, well look at this, like I can kind of peel back that layer for you to appreciate something a little bit more than what most of the tourists who come through would get. And so I was doing that with Dennis and like, look, look there's
the act. See this picture from ape cam in nineteen twenty four. Here's the actual bailing wire right here. You know, Oh see this This is Roger Patterson's autograph from the Spokane show where Kevin Llewellen was there. He's guy who donated the Roger Patterson autograph to the museum. But I said, you know, well, you know who else was in that that Spokane coliseum that
night is a ten year old doctor Jeff Meldrum. You know, so like that extra layer that I get to peel back for the dignitaries and Bigfoot royalty that come through. I really enjoy that sort of thing. Yeah for sure. Anyway, just got home that that's been my day so far. I've been running for the last what is it, it's almost two now, Yeah, so running for the last you know, seven hours. Now? What
have you been up to? Man? I got out a couple of days this week up in the Redwoods. I was gonna I was gonna go out with Todd and Doug up to Bluff with them guys. I couldn't make. They they hit me at the night before, like I just made plans. I was like, because I had the day, I had the day open, and I was like what should I do? And I was like, I gotta go to the mechanic and I gotta do some appointments. I just did it all. And so I made the appointments and then like literally like
a half other of those guy's calls and hey, we're going up. I was like, damn, I just booked my day tomorrow. I can't go. But they didn't find anything that time. But over where I go Fieldbrook more like kind of trind it out up that way. Doug was working there and he found a trackway forty eight inch inch step like couldn't really tell, but you know, larger than his big boot of foot impressions and the deaf with about a forty eight inch step. Those guys are killing it. Yeah.
Yeah, they're on a roll. I mean between the Prince of Bluff with that thing there that they're observation of a sasquatch on you know, in Mount Hood over here just a few months ago and in January. Yep. Yeah, it's it's like anything else. You get it on a roll. You get in the zone, you know, you get in the thicker room and just things flow. You just got to ride it as long as you
can because it comes to stop at some point. Yeah. Yeah, I guess for our listeners who may not know who Doug and all these characters are, Matt pro can put that link in the show notes and then you can listen to their account of their sighting that they just had on January twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. And of course they are also a guest of ours because they found some snowprints up in Bluff Creek last year I think it was yep. So yeah, I been busy. And of course this coming week,
I don't know. Hey, Matt Prue, when will this go out in the air? This is going to come out on Monday the twenty second. Twenty second. Oh well, let me tell you how great the Epe Canyon event was this past weekend. That hasn't happened yet. That's the thing about podcasts. I'd love to tell you all about the eight Canyon event, but I can't do it because it hasn't happened yet. But this weekend, man, you know what's going to happen. To say it's awesome, just
say it happened. I can say that it is awesome. I can say that it is awesome because of all the people that are going to be here. You sure you can't come up, Bubs dog, I go down to see my pops. He's not doing too Oh yeah, yeah, that is more important, I guess. But well, you'll be missed. A lot of good people are going to be here. So we'll take pictures and I'll talk about it all. I'm sure I'll talk for half an hour about it next time we get together. So anything else going on before we get into
the episode here. Oh, I received an email from I got Washington. I'm looking at it right now. I haven't talked to him yet, but I just left the message back. He thinks he might have got sick and some kind of scabies like rash from collecting bigfoot hair samples. Oh, I've heard something about that sick. What was that kernel over in the Soviet Union during the war in nineteen forty one, Colonel whatever. They captured that almasty
and they said it was really hot. They had to keep it outside because it was overheat in the room, and that it was like five degrees celsius. It would be like panting and acting like I had heat stroke, you know that one? And it had two. They discovered two kinds of lice on it that was unknown. That sounds something I don't remember the details, but that sounds vaguely familiar. Oh yeah, yeah, I know that. I know for Sure'm right on everything I said so far. It was forty
one or forty three. It was during World War Two, and they thought it was some kind of spy. It was a six foot tall, like Neanderthal kind of guy. They discovered two parasites on that were not known in the catalogs of of any documented species of that. So I was wondering if be something like that could have actually transferred him some kind of parasite like a scae, because he said, it's like scamies, but it's not well, what are you going to do with that? Are you going to follow up
on it? Or what are you going to do? Yeah, I I called them to see it's you know, what's going on. I was gonna, you know, contact Doug and Jeff and because Doug's interested in the secretions and that sort of stuff. And also there was the young lady LaVerne's granddaughter who when she touched the Bigfoot, got the oil on her hands, and then she rubbed her face and rubbed her eyes, and she her eyes turned
completely bloodshot. She went blind for a couple of days. He had to take her to Seattle and they never figured it out, but her vision went from twenty twenty to twenty two hundred like within a matter of days. From touching the big she went when she thought her friend was sitting on the curbin at the street light, she walked up and touched it, and she realized it was one of the squatches and it stood up. It was like close to seven foot tall, and then it walked off or whatever. She ran
away screaming. But when she was crying and screaming, she robed her eyes and that she said the smell was horrible and when whatever she touched, it would stink to where she touched. And she was rubbing the tears from her eyes trying to see the what showed her eyes. The more blurry they got, she kept rubbing them, rubbing them, and she just robed that oil in her eyes and it screwed her up. On the next episode of Sasquatch Optometrist, Yeah, I just can't see touching a Sasquatch. I know.
She's one of the few people I've talked to people that are like, you know, bumped in them or whatever, had them touch them, like when they were sleeping or through a tent or something like that. But you had to touch, actually feel the hairy, oily skin and hairs. That's pretty rare. Oh, and something else that happened, Uh, this is just yesterday. I popped. I popped in the museum for oh, because I was going for the walk, you know, I was going to the woods
yesterday. So around noon or something like that, I dropped by to pick up one of the video cameras because that's one of the rules that I have for myself is that I always bring a video camera with me, because you can't film one if you don't have a camera, so and I don't want to, you know, if I have my phone or a video camera, I'd rather have a video camera frankly for doing that sort of thing. So
I always walk with the video camera in my hand. And also, if anything good happens I find a print or something, I can document it for the you know, for either my own use or I can make a video for my museum members or something. But anyway, I dropped by the museum and guess who shows up. Basically the whole band of drummers from Chiliquin from the Klamath episode down there in the climat. Oh really yeah, yeah,
all those people were there. The Johnson's I think the name was. One of the women said that she she texted you when she found footprints or something when they're camping. I think it was yeah, yeah, yeah, she's talking. I guess she's in contact with you to some degree. I gave her my number and she said she was going to text me, and I
haven't received it, so I hope and I gave the right number. I mean, I'm a little dyslexic sometimes I know I've given my number wrong out incorrectly, So if you're listening, I'm sorry if I that, but I haven't. I haven't received a text from yet. Yeah, I told her like, oh, you know, I you can't get a hold a Bobo. I live about as far away from you as he does, so you know, Bobo can't make it down. I'm happy to come down and cast prints or something like that. Yeah, but they were in yesterday so I
hung out with them for a while and it was great. They were really nice people and they had a lot of nice things to say about the museum and caught up about the Bigfoot stuff that's happening down by Klimath Lake and stuff out by Yams Mountain and all that jazz. So it was cool. Yeah.
When I lost all that weight, I had a ton of clothes like double X talls and you know, like sas forty two and forty four ways forty ways, and a bunch of extra large jackets double extra large jackets triple actually triple X too, and then they had some big fellas in that in that fantas. Here this stuff, you guys can have all this stuff.
There's stuff they brought him, like several boxes of stuff. So they probably look like bows walking around like from the show, because you know, I had that seven had like seven shirts and each of those shirts yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And of course that makes sense to me. But for our listening audience, we had to wear the same clothing every day of the episode. That because you don't film episodes in the order that they are portrayed
on television. You know, like one day doesn't lead to the next as it seems to during the episode. So we're on a shoot for you know, nine days or eight days or whatever. You have to wear the same clothing so they can edit it together and you won't be wearing different clothing when something happens immediately afterwards, supposedly, you know, because remember TV's a lie basically, you know, at the end of the day, it's not really
one expedition that is portrayed as such. We don't arrive and then go do this, and then go do this. It almost never happens in that same order, So in order to piece it together, they have to make it look like it's the same. And which is why you know, we're all wearing the same clothes, even though even on the TV episode it seems like it's three days later. It's because we're we have to wear the same clothing. So what we did is we generally bought multiple, multiple copies of the
same clothing. Like I always wear like a black T shirt underneath my my button down, and I would just change that black T shirt underneath every day because that's why I sweat on underneath the underneath the button down. So yeah, so Bobo would have a bunch of different clothing from the same same place A little behind the screen. TV nonsense for you, Plus how I was spilling stuff on my clothes. I did more changes than you. Guys. We never did get you a bib, did we. No, that was
the stupidest thing. I should have had one the whole time. Would have saved me a lot of trouble. Well, it's not too late. You can still get a bib. I had one, I didn't get another one. I don't know where I think cretive to the other one away though, is unbecoming. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. So what we got going on today,
it's just you and I hanging out. No guests today is what we call our topical episodes, where you know, whenever you or me or Matt
Pruet or somebody we're even take submissions from the audience too. Sometimes, whenever there's a newspaper article of some sort that we think is interesting in some sort of way, generally tangential to Sasquatch or some similar topic that we think is important, that you know, is thought provoking and interesting in some sort of way, we send it to We send it to Matt Prue and he archives it because I don't know about you, Bobo, but I quickly forget about
them. So Matt Pruitt saves all these things, and then once every blue moon we get together and we kind of break them out and talk about them to see what we have to say about them. Then, so we have a number of articles today to kind of delve into that we've been saving up over these last few months or whatever since the last time we did one of these. Should we jump in with any of them, in particular, Bobes, is there one you want to start out with? Washington Sheriff receives bizarre
sasquatch called curious hunter. I don't think it was that bizarre, but as supposed I don't get that all the time. Okay, well, yeah, let's take a look at these because our listening audience doesn't know the article yet. I think I read this thing on two or three different platforms, I think, and the gist, well, the title of this one is watching Washington Sheriff receives bizarre sasquatch call from curious hunter. The out of town huntsman
inquired about the legality of hunting a sasquatch. Well, I don't know, I mean, is that a bizarre call? I mean, I think maybe in most people's world it might be a bizarre call, but not in ours. So this is about from about two or three weeks ago. Last week in Stevens County in eastern Washington, the sheriff's received a phone call from a man who is out who's going to visit the area and look to hunt for
a sasquatch. Basically, apparently, the sheriff put this on Facebook and that the caller told the police said he was going to be traveling to the area and sometime in mid April, and he wanted to hunt in the Big Meadow Lake area of northern Washington. The Sheriff's office initially tied to tell the man, it's like, well, you should probably talk to the Fish and Game, you know, But he said, well, but apparently he had already called the Fish and Game and they told him to call the sheriff. I
love it already. Yeah, So basically the man's man's concern is that he wanted to be legal while he was hunting for sasquatches in the Big Meadow Lake area because he wasn't sure. He said that the Washington state regulations regarding sasquatch hunts were unclear. Oh I just love this. There's nothing about this that doesn't make me giggle a little bit. I guess killing a sasquach would make me giggle very much. Yeah, well, you know, do you have
a dark sense of humor though? Yeah, but still this, I just love this whole thing. So yeah, he called, and he asked whether or not shooting a sasquatch was illegal in Stevens County and whether a regular hunting license was enough to keep his sasquatch hunt above board legally because he did. And he also said he went out of its way, saying, but be
clear, I'm not gonna hunt or kill a female sasquatch. That's the part I like, Well, it makes sense because you know in Washington, you know, in Pacific northwestle East, you're not allowed to kill male or a female deer. A lot of other places in the country I think you can, though, Oh yeah, dude, like West Virginia you can kill six or seven the year. Yeah, but it been in our in our neck
of the woods, you can only kill bucks. So I mean, I guess that question does make some sense from his perspective, right, Yeah, for sure. I like how he's like real, like he's like he didn't want to get caught into their bureaucracy, like like flim flying, Like he's trying to be very clear and explicit because you know, just you know, we've all gone through the government regulation kind of whatever trying to get see what's
permissible or not. You're just getting running around looped and loot and you're like, well I was told this, and like too bad. This is what it's really the deal. So anyway, the Stevens County sheriff office, he called the called the man back, I guess, and he explained that Meadow Lake where the guy wanted to go hunting, was actually in nearby penned Orville count or Raville County Sheriff's jurisdiction, and that there is no sasquatch in Stevens
County. Oh, recall, he's a lying. Yeah, I know what's up with that. Stevens County, Washington. Okay, I'm looking at a map right now. Oh it's Caulville, the Calville res Bossburg is in Stevens. No sasquatch in their county. Oh, that's a big dud of the sheriff's out there, guys. Law enforcement is a good thing, right. My dad was a cop, et cetera. You know, I have a lot of support and a lot of admiration for these people. You know, they have the hardest job in the world, and politically, you know,
tumultuous climate and yeah, generally good people, you know. But to say that there are no sasquatch in Stevens County is a statement born of ignorance, I hate to say it, and of course, I imagine lost and lots of law enforcement people probably listen to this podcast. Clearly you're you agree with me on this. There are sasquatches in Stephens County, I mean the Bossburg
sidings out there. Yeah, ridiculous statement. And really, if I was told that by an authority, I would no longer consider that authority valid and I would just do what I wanted to do anyway. Right. Oh, and by the way, he goes on to say that not only are there no sasquatches in Stephens County, but we know this because one of our deputies would have accidentally hit one with the patrol car by now right, Well, that doesn't say very much for their deputies, does it, Like, really,
what are they? Are they hiring the Keystone cops or something like? What is going on here? If you're in a walk around in a gorilla seat up there in Steven's County get hit by a sheriff killed, they would have eventually accidentally run you over by Now does that make it so? I guess the logical the logical conclusion to that statement is that our deputies have now
run over and killed on accident every species of animal that lives here. And the fact that we have not run over and killed a sasquatch proves that that there are no Sasquatches in Stevens County. Logic, I guess. And then, of course, you know, the back end of the article says, okay, they quote the Matts Group, the BFRO, The BFRO says there's seven hundred and eight credible sightings or something in Washington, and say, well,
there's a lot more than that. Two zero's probably oh yeah, yeah, just lots and lots more than that, because I mean, I mean, I have one hundred and fifty myself in the last four years, you know, reports coming into the museum from jess Oregon and Washington. And that's four years, and Matt's been doing stuff since ninety five. It's just said that a lot of people don't tell, a lot of people don't tell. And then they go on to talk about the nineteen ninety two resolution in Watcom
County that proclaimed the entire area a sasquatch refuge. And of course you can't talk about the law in anyway with Bigfoot without mentioning this Comania County ordinance. Although I think they have some of the numbers wrong there. It was in sixty nine that they made this Comania County Ordans and it was a ten thousand dollars fine, even though this article says one thousand dollars. And then in nineteen eighty four, where I believe they rewrote it and the fine went down
significantly. No, went down. Wait, it says not to exceed ten thousand or imprisonment in kind of jail for five years. Yeah, that was the original sixty nine version that says it later changed the law to state that any permitted, premeditated will full or wanton slang of any such creature Shelby deaned of fell any puns will I fine not to exceed ten thousand and or imprisonment for kind of jail for five years. Okay, I'm on it. Let
me find it. The first in sixty nine was one thousand dollars fine a year in jail. Then they up to ten thousand and five years. I feel they got that backwards. One does government lower fees and fines. Oh that's true, that's true. Okay, I'm just going to let my search option to do the thing. So when I run across the information, I'll give it to you. But nonetheless, so Anyway, that was a news item that crossed the desk and I thought was kind of fun. And I've
got to applaud that person. He wants to do right by the law. He doesn't want to abuse the recent of huntable sasquatches. I guess he's not going to take a female one or a young one. I think that's very admirable as well. Wonder but you know April is right now, he's probably out there now, call in buddy, Yeah, it's probably. I think he's a listener, undoubtedly, undoubtedly everywhere. I think we are the world's
biggest podcast now first or second. Yeah, I think I think Rogan's looking at us and going, man, I wish we had the Bigfoot audience. Yeah, he blew it. Weren't you on Rogan or something? What was your running with more than ten years ago? Twelve years ago or something like that? You did the podcast or that TV show he had for a minute or what it was a podcast? It's not one of the same one, but I guess it was pretty new back then. I didn't even really know.
I mean I'd heard a podcast and didn't really care about him, and then my agent was all excited, going dude, Joe Rowan, He's like a big fan and he listened all the time, and it was it was first getting big. But to me, he was just like, like, here's the guy out on Fear Factor. I like him because of I've seen him on the UFC, like the fight stuff. But like I, I was not a fan of his comedy at all. I didn't know anything about the guy. And then he was he was cool dude. He invited me
back three different times. I was invited back. And this sounds so stupid, but like I was running around a lot. I'd be in LA and I'd forget to call him, like he goes just dropping whatever day he can come by, like all right, yeah. Then I'd be done there for like three or four days and I'd be running around and I just forget. Or one time I remember, but then it was like I would have to drive out there in traffic. I'm like, I'm not driving across LA and
traffic, no way. Speaking of comedians who love Bobo today, I posted this for our membership today, but it popped up in my Facebook memories that on basically this day, fourteen years ago is when we wrapped the shoot for Strange days with Bob Saggat, and so all those photos popped up in my memory, so I shared a few of them with the patrons. But Sagate really loved Bobo too. Bobo, you have that effect on comedians. I gave him a lot of material. It's fun to hang out so they can
say something downe they can make fun of. I thought about that earlier when you objected to Cliff say bigfoot nerds, because that was like one of my first memories of that trip was us standing around in Cliff telling Saget, we're all a bunch of big foot nerds, and you said, I'm not a nerd. I'm effing cool. Go back and listen to episode one one, folks, if you want to hear the story behind that episode. Yeah, and actually, if you want to hear Bobo on Joe Rogan, it's episode
two forty one. Oh is that what it is? Okay? Yeah, I just looked it up, so that's rare. He's at two thousand something now, So I was, yeah, where I think it was twenty twelve. It said, right, it doesn't have the date on here. It just says, I mean it probably has it somewhere on here. But I don't look at episode two forty one. I think Joe Rogan probably owes you with thanks for getting the Bobo bump. You know, yeah, undoubtedly.
It's just so unfortunate that he, you know who, he went bigfooting would turned him off so bad because if he would have had a big Foot encounter, Dude, just imagine how much frickin' that would have done for the research, you know, I just people like, I mean, he he has he I mean, he has so many contacts. Like if Roan was looking for Bigfoot, the raytheon Flair that I'll be going, what do you need? What do you need? Like what you like? It'd be like finding
Bigfoot times one hundred, like like the stuff they hooked us up. What they would have done. I mean, if it was an audience, I think they would have just been over backwards. Didn't he talk to Meldrum because I know that he had Dan Akroyd on there at some point talking about UFOs, And I just saw the clip that Ackroyd was saying. Rogan is saying that big Bigfoot is nonsense, it doesn't exist, blah blah blah, and he goes, no, no, there's science, there's no science, But
no, there is that. Dan Akrod said there's a guy, doctor Jeff Meldrum, and yeah, because uh, I guess dan Akroyd's very aware of doctor Jeff Meldrim. And in fact, now that I'm talking speaking out loud of Spring to Memory, I believe that doctor Meldrum borrowed one of dan Ackroyd's shirts or vice versa, for some TV appearance that they were both. Yeah, there's a story out there of that as well. So crazy little world we live in. Yeah, Oh, Bobcat's coming here for a four to
twenty show. Oh is he the Humboldt Huh? Yeah, you should. You should go see him. I was thinking I think I should. Yeah. His his comedy act is hilarious. We saw him when he was in town last year. He's so fricking funny, Like I never thought he was funny on TV or movies, but his well, his movies not like the Police Academy. So just to be clear, though you think Police Academy's funny, No, I thought Bobcat's character was not funny at all, all right,
just checking because he owns all those movies, he owns them. Yeah, yeah, he's like the executive producer. I believe for them, really, no, I believe so yeah, that could be wrong, but as always always fast think at Wendy City Heat and Shakes the Clown, which we got to give a plug to like it's both I think probably to One of our favorite movies ever is Wendy City Heat by Bob Cackle. That's so good. I've never seen it. I should check it out. Oh so good.
Oh it's free on YouTube. That's where Bobcat told me to watch it. Yeah. The premise of of course, is there's a guy that's obnoxious, comedian Perry something, I forget his name, and they everybody around him plays a joke on him because he's so obnoxious. Apparently he's sealing other comedians work and like telling their jokes on stage. That's what I gather, at least I've told something like that. He's like a thorn in the side of a lot of comedians out there, because you know, he's just kind of
a pain the ass in some ways. But so everybody decides to do a joke on him, and for everybody like Jimmy Kimmel, I think, is one of the executive producers of this, So there's some money behind it, and they all pretend that he gets He goes on an addition on audition to be like an action star, like a Swartzenegger sort of sized action star in this in this movie or whatever, and the whole thing is a gag on him. And they filmed this this blockbuster action movie in two weeks, and
he goes to the premiere and it's just hilarious. The whole thing is just a joke on this guy. And apparently people in his life are actually pretending to assume other ultra IDs ultra identities and just interact with them regularly then as characters. I don't know, it's kind of a weird thing. But Bobcat told me that he loves the movie, but it was the one movie he wouldn't let his girlfriend watch because because he didn't want her to think that he's
an asshole. Yeah, because it's up for you go. Well, I got super deep into it, Like I looked up all these YouTube clips from way back in the day, like as the groundwork of the Giant prank that the movie is like watching all the groundwork and the follow up stuff with the guy, and it's just it's so many layers. It's like layers and layers like Russian nesting dolls. You know, you keep like no way and then you dig a little deeper. There's a whole another little gem in there.
It's like it's I went down the rabbit hole in that one that was. It's so brilliant. Yeah, fantastic movie, Win d City Heat. You can watch it for free on YouTube. That's where Bobcat told me to watch it, so I don't feel too bad, but recommending people watch it there. So stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. What about those toes spacers, Cliff, if you try on that, that's one one of the articles that can cross
my desk that I thought was kind of interesting. There's a I guess a fitness fat or a wellness tool that is kind of popping out right now, and it is basically spacers for your toes to spread them out so you'll have a much wider to splay than you normally would. Of Course, as you've probably heard people talk about, because most of our listeners are interested in the Bigfoot thing, human feet are kind of scrunched in the shoes all the time.
In fact, if you take off your shoes or next time you do, take off your shoes and you look at your fifth digit, your tiny toe, your little tiny toe, it is curled underneath the other one to it, And that's from wearing shoes for the most part. And you know, shoving you your five digits into a pair of shoes is good because we can step on rocks without you know, or legos for that matter, without
debilitating ourselves. But at the same time, our feet were made in such a way for a reason, you know, evolution did its thing, and our feet that were made for navigating the landscape in various ways, including doing a little bit of gripping like in sasquatch FETs, you know sasquatch feet. The toes splay widely in grip the ground in various ways where running up and down hills or then there's toest sliding. It acts as some sort of a
break in some in some ways. Well, now you can get these things, these little spacers to shove in between your toes, just spread them out a bit. Basically that gives you some sort of toes splay, and apparently that's good for you. That's good for you. In some sort of ways, because you know, shoving your feet in the shoes can cause a lot of strange foot anomalies like foot pain in various ways. So these foot spacers, the whiter toast play give the people like a better sense of balance.
They alleviate a lot of the foot pain that some people they don't. They won't cure the pain, you know, they won't do anything about bunions or something like that. But for some people who are maybe looking at surgery or something, these might actually be helpful. And they cost about thirty bucks or less. I'm not endorsing them. I never tried them or anything like that, But I don't know, Bobs, what do you think? Is this something for you? Yeah? Actually I'm going to try it because my feet
are thrashed. Yeah. It reminds me of remember when when we first started doing the show. I think it was like season one, that there's that big fat about wearing those like they're almost like wet suit booties with individual toes. Oh yeah, the vibrum Vibrum shoes is what those are called. Yeah, they and never Money make her wear them all the time. He's like, oh, it's so great for your back. It came out like a
year later. It tears that it was totally the opposite. It was bad for you, like, but everyone was doing that trend for a while. Yeah, money Maker brought a pair of those on the road, so I had him. I had him walk through the mud, and I documented his footprints so I can try to teach me a little bit about the difference between
bibrooms and sasquatch feet. Should I have run across something, I'm not ju I'm not so sure about that was there for I never forget him running down the We were late for a plane and he was running through the terminal and it was just going slap. Everyone's looking at it because his feet was like the loudest thing in the whole busy airport was mondy to his feet slapping in
those five toed shoe things. I thought you were going to tell this story about when we went and got fitted for some clothes or something for finding Bigfoot, and you found out that your shoe size was actually one larger than what you've been buying for the last fifteen years, dude, longer than fifteen Yeah, you were wearing the wrong size shoe. You're into your entire life and wondering why your feet hurt. Yeah, so I was wear flip flops.
You're really something bothes. I'll never forget that feeling, like I was like, because I remember, like I looked at the girl as with and she said, you were just totally shocked. Your eyes were bated. He said, now I know why people wear shoes. I got a pair of fourteens. It's pretty great because like, how can people wear these things? They suck, They just crap their feet. And anyways, now you know, well, apparently I look forward to you getting some of these because you do
have brother large feet. You know, they're pretty wide, they're they're not a real high arch or anything. Yeah. And so the people who are buying these toes spacers say that it improves their toet strength. And most people don't think about their toe strength obviously, because we're buried in shoes and we live a kind of quote unquote modern life. But man, your toes are
there for a reason. Your toes are appendages, you know, that you use for various things, and we've kind of shut all that down, we've neglected that part of us. In some ways, I think it's important personally to go barefoot as much as you can, and at least in the summertime. You know, I think there's something about putting your feet in contact with the ground that to me at least just feels good, feels right. They've
proved it scientifically. Do you know anything about the studies or anything, just something about, uh, your feet can absorb it, like the like trace minerals part of it, just the contact with the grass and all the textures and just not having like it's that we evolved the walk on them without shod feet. So it makes sense. Oh, it totally makes sense. You know, one of the people they interviewed for this article is a professional surfer
and back in your surfingties. Can you imagine what better grip and better toes splay and better balance and stronger toes would effect that would have on your surfing? Do you do? I remember surfing this one really long point break like
it went forever. Let's never forget how bad my toes ache, like all those little ligaments and tendons, because you see, you're not surfing for like two minutes straight, you know, like where you're pumping your because when you're pumping on the board, you're it's all toes pretty much, you know, in your arch, but your toes mainly is just your grip and like you know, you're you know, just scratching to hold out your toes and and
yeah, I was sure like my cat muscles and everything were like totally like worked out. I was like, holy, I was shocked by that. Yeah, I'm not a bit surprised. You know. One of the the take homes for takeaways, I guess for me with studying Sasquatch feed is their to display and how they use their toes in various ways. Because it's true.
I remember seeing a documentary years ago and Meldrum was on the documentary, and of course I almost everything I know about feet came from doctor Meldrum, you know, and and just looking at hearing what he said, then looking at the casts and you know, and trying to and look and trying to decipher and like really put that into practice when I'm looking at actual evidence,
you know, So I give credit where credit is due. Jeff is you know, he calls me his padawan, and I think that's totally fine, totally is totally fine with me because most of everything I know about Sasquatch feet
I learned from him. But one of the things I remember years ago, I was watching a documentary and he was commenting on on sasquatch feet and he calmned that their toes are almost every bit as long as our fingers are, and therefore should have about the same level of apprehension as well, you know, prehensilism, I guess if that's the right word, And that's a big takeaway. Imagine like walking on your hands, and what use your fingers would be, you know what I mean, Like they would have a lot of
use in the ground if your toes were that long. And that's the way sasquatch feed are, so their toes must be an integral part of their locomotion on some way, even though they don't push off with the toes when they're striding around like humans do. We push off with the toes, and then the front part of the ball, which like what is called the heads of the metatarsals, they push off with the entire first half of the foot,
like mostly to the base of the metatarsals. Then entire forefoot. They're pushing off with that, but still day to day, day and day out, especially in the terrain they live in their toes must have a lot of grabbing and gripping and stabilizing factors involved in them, just like purpose their toes. He probably play a huge part in them getting around, and we've lost that. We've lost that. Not that our toes are as cool and long as they are theirs are, But how would that be man? Just like a
human foot with toes as long as fingers. That'd be pretty scary looking, be pretty cool, right But anyway, Yeah, when I think about that, I look, when I saw this, that's the first thing that came to my mind. It's like, well, sasquatches use their toes all over the place for all sorts of things. How cool would it be if we
could regain that somehow? Now, of course, these these little jobbers that you put on your in between your toes, they're not going to do that right away, and it's going to take a long long time if they work at all. I don't know if they work. I haven't tried them. But still I thought it was a cool article that maybe I could bring to somebody's attention. So there you go. Well, there's a couple more articles
here, and one I definitely want to get to is this one. This version here this particular, because this is all over the news, all over the news, right at least all over night my news feed, you know, because people know the algorithm knows what I like. This one is from science dot org. Basically, you may remember Bobo last year year before. I think it was two years ago. In July. Two new species of humans were described in journals the same month. One of them was called Homo
long Guy, and the other one was found in Israel. But I don't remember what the name of it was because it didn't have the sexy name that Homo long Guy has, because Homo long Guy was immediately dubbed dragon man, and that's a pretty sexy name for a hominy scored totally. But the downside of that is that the other species, the one that was discovered in Israel, and I can't remember the name of that one kind of lost in the shovel because it didn't have such a cool name. But anyway, we're not
talking about that other one. We're talking about dragon Man here. We're talking about Homo long Guy. Or maybe it's long Jive, but I bet it's long Guy. I don't really know. I think it's long e like I think the I in that sort of Latin phraseology is an e sound. I could be wrong, though, that makes sense because in Spanish AE, you know, and Spanish is a Latin derived language. That does make it's a
long gi. I like it. I'll go with that. Yeah. So anyway, Homo loongi was discovered about a year or two ago in the Middle East, I believe, or no, it's in China, my mistake, China, and oh new species. That's cool, that's cool, and everybody was, you know, all the Twitter about it, including myself. I was pretty stoked on it, because you know, I do like paleoanthropology. But but new evidence apparently has brought to light that these are almost certainly an
already known species that we had no craniums for now. The Homo lungi fossil was a cranium, and it's a pretty big one. It's pretty cool, very heavy in a lot of ways. It had very neanderthal esque in some ways. It had a brow ridge that was pretty prominent. Apparently, apparently the new evidence has tied Homolonghi to the elusive Homo Denis or Denis Evans. I'm not sure I would say that one either, because I've only read it. That's the problem with being well read is sometimes I don't know how to
read things, but I don't know how to say them. But anyway, yeah, that now, of course, homodenis ovan, they were a a species discovered I don't even know how long ago went, five ten years ago or something, and they were discovered through DNA. They in a cave they found a phalangy a fingerbone, and they thought that that fingerbone was a Neanderthal, but upon DNA testing, they found out it was not. It was a new species of hominin. And so that's how Homo denisovan came to our
attention. And since then they've gotten another bone somewhere. They went back in the museum archives and they discovered that they've been sitting on a jawbone of a homodenisovan since I think the eighties. They just didn't recognize it as such. They thought it was they attributed it to another species. But you know,
a couple of tiny little bones and DNA. I think they also got e DNA out of the ground of a cave, if I remember correctly, and that's an if, but I'm pretty sure we got homodenusovan DNA from E DNA, and so that's pretty cool too. But this new paper is mind blowing because it has now tied a cranium a skull to that species. And I think that is just fantastic because Homodena sovans, much like Neanderthals, were around very very recently, very recently, and also humans apparently in are bred with
them. We all have heard about how Neanderthals have inner bred with Homo sapiens. I know that when I got my parents' DNA tests done for their birthday for Christmas. Rather, I got both of them done for Christmas about ten years ago or so, and my dad showed up as one point seven percent. Of course, I know that these twenty three and me things are rather inaccurate in some ways. You know, I don't think it would hold. You know, it's not nothing you would take to a PhD in biology and
you know, go to Courtover or something like that. But it's you know, my dad had to slightly higher than normal content of the andandertall, which I'm always thrilled to hear. But homodenisovans also enter bread apparently that they live in the Tibetan Plateau and amongst other places in Asia, and the people of Tibet today apparently have a rather large percentage comparably speaking of Homodenosovan DNA in them, which is part of the reason they are so successful at high altitudes.
Like a larger lung capacity is one of the benefits, I guess have happened a little bit of Denisavan India. Yeah, one of you, because they they mentioned like it seemed like that they found like the spread of the species as far as like the Denisovans, like with the improved lung capacity. There's that tribe down in the Philippines, the water people whatever, like they live on the water on houseboats permanently, and they dive. And these guys can
dive like they've clocked it up to thirteen minutes. They can hold their breath. I'm sure there's some kind of link there. Well, it's going to be interesting to see if they can actually conclusively tie this that. There's a little bit of obvious science, right, So science is an ever ever more accurate thing, and you know, you got to start out some pretty fuzzy guesses before you narrow down what's actually going on. But these might that Homolongi
might actually be a Denisovin, and I think that's kind of cool. I don't think it's set in stone yet, but that's definitely something I'm going to be watching because as bigfoot researchers, I think all of this should be probably interested in human evolution to some degree, and the idea that a lot of these human species, those that share our same genus, the homo group,
hominids or hominid hominid day or whatever it's called. I'm sure the PhDs that are listening to as you're going, Oh, Cliff, Cliff, you gotta take a Latin class, but I'm sorry, I'm sorry, doctors. But anyway, these recent members of our family, the hominins, you know, the recent hominins, are of great interest up to us because it's very likely that some of them are still persisting somewhere in the world. You know,
I don't think sasquatches are Denisovans or Neanderthals or anything like that. I think that there's something else. But what about those amistes, you know, what about omistes or some of the other more far flung things, say in Western Asia or Eastern Europe, I think that those have a real possibility to be some sort of relictive species of Neanderthal or Denisovan or god knows what. God knows what. There's our family tree keeps branching out further and further and further.
Every year, it seems there's another discovery in palaeoanthropology that shakes the shakes, the textbooks loose, you know. So an exciting time to be into this sort of thing. Certainly it is stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. But you know, I think we have one more, one more article we can delve into before we go to our member section, chem trails. Chem trails an
attack of the vapors exactly. Now, Bobo, you know me, and I think our listeners know me, and I'm not much one for conspiracy theories, and the chem trail one is to me amongst the more ridiculous ones. Well it's not. It's not totally ridiculous. There there's I mean, obviously, yeah, there's the usual, I mean, you know, the water evaporation and all that, But there there was they admitted that they were doing cloud seating experiments NASA in conjection with the Air Force that they were they were
doing that. It's like some nickel brumiter. I can't remember what it was, but it was it was supposedly like a reflective you know, reflective quality they were doing testing. But yeah, all the all the commercial airliners know, they're not all strapped with those tanks spraying cam trails. Yeah, I've seen those ones that people claim are the like the camtrail ones that like don't
break up. I've seen this. I've seen actually above Oregon like Central organ I've seen them there and also here over Humble a couple of times, and like they look kind of different. But I don't know, I mean, I'm not. I just don't see it. Like where were these planes if they're not, If they're not attached to commercial airliners, and I've flown enough to know that they're not, they're not. They're not seeing those things attached
to planes. And I have seen the photos of them attached to like unmarked planes like government or whatever, you know, some whether it's Noah doing because I heard a lot of it was weather research and O, and then I heard another one of it was they were doing in experiments, and I heard this from pretty well placed source that it was a radar kind of radar.
It could bounce radar over the horizons, like if you had they they'd spread this spray in the atmosphere than they could and it was for so x amount of time. They could very accurately have a much further ranging radar for ship ships. Well, Luckily, whether whatever the truth is behind KEM trails,
and I think we you know, I know how I feel. But anyway, but luckily we have the Tennis We have Tennessee helping us out here because the I guess the legislator, the Tennessee lawmakers have just recently passed a bill banning the release of airborne chemicals that critics say is inspired by KEM trail conspiracy theories. We need more scientists in position making laws in my opinion. But anyway, yeah, so it is now illegal. This law broadly prohibits a
quote unquote affecting temperature, weather, or the intensity of sunlight. It is signed by the governor. It is a done deal and is going to effect on July first. So if you're afraid of KEM trails, Tennessee seems like a really safe place for you because it's now illegal to do that kind of stuff there, So head on over there. Well anyway, So yeah, so Tennessee is now a safe place if you're concerned about about KEM trails. It's a lovely place. I've been to Tennessee lots of times. I like
it there actually the best. Yeah. Yeah, but check this out. There's a second part to this law. And I'm looking at the BBC by the way, right now. The legislation sponsor got a Monty Fritz. You know that name, prut that is not familiar, Okay, Well, he called. He says that this law is a very common sense thing to do,
and that it goes on. It says, although several lawmakers mentioned KIM trails while the bill was being discussed during Friday's sessions, mister Fritz focused on cloud seating, which is, you know, something that actually did happen they attempted to do. Right, everything that goes up must come down. In those chemicals that we are knowingly and willingly injecting into the atmosphere simply to control the weather or the climate are affecting our health. Okay, fair enough,
fair enough, that would make sense. Right, But now check this out in a joking response, John ray Clemens, a Democrat from Nashville, do you know that name, Matt prut I do not. I treat attention the same way I treat my nutrition, and I try to only use my available you know, calories and my budget for healthy things, and same with my attention. And most politics I don't think fall into that category for me, So I don't pay attention. Well, anyway, this John ray Clemens guy,
he introduced an amendment that would protect sasquatches and yeties. This amendment would make sure that we are protecting yetties or sasquatch or bigfoot from whatever this conspiracy is that we're passing in the legislation, he said during the debate. So, yeah, unbelievable. The sasquatches, which are real, are associated with chm trails, which in my opinion are not. Yeah, and then and they go on to water this and that. So cam trails are real,
Cliff, It's just that they're not. All the contrails are not chim trails. Yeah. Well, water's a chemical. I guess that's true. It was actually not really a chemical, I mean human and human induced. Well said Well said, well, anyway, that's the last of the articles. That's the last articles. Should we go on to the member section because we have a great topic to talk about there indubitably, Now for our members,
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men that kind of ran the whole thing for a long time. They were the head figures and there they've been nicknamed the Four Horsemen of Sasquatchry, presumably named after what is it, the four Horsemen of the Apocalypse for some reason, the four Horsemen of Notre Dame. Oh I thought it was the Apocalypse
anyway. So we're gonna talk about some of the people that we think might be worthy of that same title, People that we personally admire, people that that we think that great work, that probably deserve their face on the Mount Rushmore a Bigfoot. But Bobo, we're done. Why don't you take us out of here? Watch this all right? Folks, thanks for joining us this week on Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We appreciate it very
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