Ep. 257 - Heather Moser

Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me rights on yesterday and listening, oh watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Greetings, Bobo, Hello Cliff. What's happening man? Not much despite my general exhaustion and soreness and stuff. Been doing a lot of work on the property, taking down trees, running chainsaws,

sloping ground. Blah blah blah blah blah. I still went walking in the woods yesterday, neighbor Gary, and I went walking in the woods around your house. No, no, no, I'm at one of the spots down down down the Clacamus River a bit so okay, yeah, one of our general locations. And it's nice to have a neighbor Gary along because he asked, hey, Cliff, do you mind if I take a rifle along in case we see a mountain lion. They're thinking, oh, of course,

he's all tagged up. He's a total legal hunter and everything like that, and in his mountain lion season all year long. I said, absolutely, you are more than welcome to bring a gun for the one thing in the woods that I'm afraid of. You may hunt the thing that hunts me. Yes, but we didn't see one. But we did find a footprint, and we may have found even a handprint underneath this low lying log. And the handprint corresponds nicely to the size that we would expect for a twelve

inch footprint. How big is that? About the size of my hand, but thicker now. Of course, both of these were in super saturated soil. They were not fresh. Maybe they are from a person, although I think the people hypothesis is kind of tough on this one. The footprint was pretty eroded out again supersaturated soil, but there was at least one distinct toe

with an excrusion, uh protrusion. I guess there's some exclusion between that toe and the other ones, so kind of eliminates the boot thing and what and I cast it kind of briefly, hosed it off pretty quick, and there are suggestions of other toes like a little you know, maybe it's not, maybe it's not. It's not clear enough to say much about. And the handprint is kind of wonky looking, as sasquatch hands kind of are, but it's not that bad. It's not bad, you know. I'd say both

of these are definite maybees in that sort of tradition. We're not getting super super clear stuff in this area, but we are getting kind of a lot of stuff that indicates they probably are around. So pretty cool. So it was nice to get out in the woods for the first time in a couple of weeks, and nice to know that our spots are still producing. Only walk two roads. So I was something with Todd dug up to the Go Road yesterday or two days ago, and those guys, I guess found prints

and possibly a scat pile. So the day you didn't go, they found some stuff. Isn't that how it goes? You know, kind of stinks, but well whatever whatever, are going to go out and take a look at them. Yeah, probably, Yeah, it's south west Aroun. I'm going to try to get out there possibly tomorrow. Yeah. Well I hope you do. Hope you do. That's kind of early for that. How far up the Go Road? I think, you know, like that. I'm not sure, but I think they're going up just you know, like

that ten twelve mile area. Okay, okay, yeah, because that high. The ridges will probably be snowed in. I'm assuming, yeah, dude, yeah, spe snow a little bit tonight. It's just like an answer to oh, yeah, yeah, the weather kind of came in. Was it nice there last week too? Oh dude, we had some beautiful days, so some melt off. Then at least it's cold. It's real cold again. It's gonna be in the thirties tonight here, which is on the

beach. That's really cold for April. Well, I'm looking forward to getting out to Bluff this year. I'd like to get out there at some point, probably no earlier than July, just to see what's burnt and what's not. I want to see how far that fire went and what is still good and even though it's it's you know, devastating and horrible to look at and

stuff like that. I did learn a lot about the Klacamus River basin by by seeing what it looked like after it burned, because you can finally see the lay of the land, you know, dude, that's so true. Like there's so many places I've been like that's what this canyon looks like because it's just just some burnt stops around you know, you can see all the way out to Pire for you and it's it's yeah, it's like it's like old. It's like a pre light R. Yeah right, it's an analog

light R. Yeah. Yeah, it's fight are fire. I found the same thing in Malala because we've been up to Malala together. That place is all burned out in too. It's like, oh wow, that's what the It's just crazy, it's just crazy. Well, you know, something else happened this week that I'm pretty excited about. So you know, we're doing the eight Canyon thing. Of course, last week on the members section, I even announced tickets available for our Bigfoot and Beyond members members sort of sort

of thing. So if you are a member of Bigfoot of Beyond, you're part of the Beyond Bigfoot of Beyond crowd, you can actually buy tickets to come hear Mark and Marcell speak and here perhaps our special guests. We have two nights in the nineteenth and twentieth and to help celebrate that, we just got in our special annual commemorative coin, we made Ape Canyon coins and I'll tell you, bobes, they are cool. They're a gold and silver not

real gold and silver. They sure look like it though, gold and silver, and then we have the murphy on one side. On the backside. We change the design every year and this year says Ape Canyon Centennial across the top. It has a night twenty twenty four and the very bottom but also as nineteen twenty four right above it, because this is the one hundred year anniversary of the Eight Canyon events. If you want one, there's only a

limited number of them. You can get them at the NABC store. But man, I'm of course going to give you and maybe even Matt one that'll make mind Less special. If you give them one too, You're right, You're right, So Matt will get one and you won't, is what you're saying. The other thing I need to mention, of course, is for our new listeners. You may want to know that if you are tired of hearing advertising that doesn't seem like it applies to you, you can now listen

to Bigfoot to Be On with no ads whatsoever. All you have to do is become a member, and if you want to be a member, there's a link in the show notes, and there's also a website Bigfoot to Be On podcast dot com. Go there, hit the membership keys and we'll set you up there. Well enough talking from us. I mean, the reason everybody's here to listen today is because we have Heather Mosure on. Is it Mosure and by the way, or is its not Mosser? No, it's

Mosure. You got it. Yeah, we have Heather Mosure on today. She is the host of the small Town Monsters podcast called the Lor you know, and she's really she has her her fingerprints all over. I think most, if not all, of the small town monster stuff. I know Heather on a personal level because we've been to the woods, I've done some filming for small Town Monsters. She's always been lurking around behind and I don't even

know what else she's into. I know she's cool as all get out that she has a lot of weird experiences, and that's why we invited on the podcast today. So Heather, thanks for coming on. Hey, Heather, I'm so excited to be here. Really why because I love talking with you. It's always a good time. Yeah. I saw this when we were filming the Momo movie. Yeah, I've got a it's amazing. As much as my daughter has grown, I have an awesome picture of you two with

my daughter, and she's about to be thirteen next week. Wow, it's been a few years. Yeah, so I think it's fair to say that we've we've played a pretty important role in her life. I guess, right, yeah, absolutely, of course. So Heather, we're going to get to your podcast eventually, of course. But how long have you been in this like the weird critter monster game for lack of a better term, well for small town monsters specifically. I've been involved since Momo. That was the

first movie that I got to work on. But I've always been interested in I mean, it's like the lifelong love of the strange and unusual, going back to whenever I was younger and watching like Unsolved Mysteries on TV, huge fan of that. Grew up with some weird stories that my parents would tell

me, and there's just always always something that caught my attention. But then as I got older and got into college, I would find ways to try to integrate some of the weird and unusual into my studies because I was a

classics major, so Latin literature, things like that. It's always been there, And I started to look into cursed objects and that led me to the bell Witch, which then eventually led me to getting involved with small town monsters because Seth had announced that they were going to be doing something on the bell Witch and I said, hey, I've been looking into this. I don't know if you need a researcher, but I'm pretty well versed on that legend, so if you need any help, let me know. And he said,

yeah, actually I do. Let's start you with Momo first though, and see how it goes. So we started with Momo, then Mockman Legacy was after that, and then the bell Witch. So so you said that your parents would tell you weird story. Was it weird stories about things that happened to them? Well, so, I mean I grew up not far

from where I live now is Minerva, Ohio. So with the story of the Minerva Monster, growing up hearing about Bigfoot in the area, it kind of was just a thing, you know, like nobody questioned whether Bigfoot existed or not. It's just bigfoots out there in the woods type situation. So I grew up with that. But the stories that I grew up with were from mostly from my mother talking about the farmhouse that she grew up in as

a young girl and how it was supposedly haunted. And she found that out because one Christmas, my grandmother had bought the bought her kids a Ouigi board. Does she not like you like? Why would she do that? She bought them all a Oigi board, and my mom loved it. My aunt, on the other hand, was terrified of it and demanded that it be

burned, and eventually my grandmother did burn the board. But anyway, before it was burned, they were on it for a little bit and it said that there was a spirit in the house and the spirit's name was Elizabeth, and that she lived in my mother's room, which Mom thought was pretty cool. And they didn't really have any activity that happened necessarily while they lived there.

But when they went to move out a few years later and they were going through the old deeds to the house, they actually found Elizabeth's name on one of the deeds, which was odd because of how old the house was to even have a female's name on the deed to begin with. But anyway, once they sold the house, it went through a series of owners. It would change hands pretty often, and the people that would sell it after that would cite things that were happening in the house, like they couldn't keep

light bulbs on. Light bulbs would just burst, or they'd turn off, or they'd see things on the stairs, and they just had an uneasy presence. And that continued for I believe because I went back through some of the records at the local courthouse. So that went on for probably ten to fifteen years before it got in the hands of a family who owns it now currently, and they haven't had any well, they've had things happen, but not

enough to move out by any means. So I just grew up with that story of Elizabeth and the Ouiji board and yeah, all the haunted stuff happening there, and always thought that was interesting, along with the bigfoot stuff. Yes, along with the bigfoot stuff. Yeah. Now, of course we'll get to that a little while because I know a little bit about the background of where you live and things like that. But before we move on to any future things here, So you studied Latin, yes, Now, now,

first of all, say something cool Latin. For us, we didn't learn to speak Latin. We'd learned to translate it. No, but you must feel like a cool phrase or two. I mean, I mean, I can say just Solway is hello. But other than that, I don't really know any phrases. No VDVDVICH. You know, well, that's what I'm looking for. I'm not I'm not I'm not asking for conversational Latin because

you know that that doesn't exist. Really. I was looking for something cool, like you know, you don't get what you don't poop for or something or something like that, you know, like some sort of snazzy's saying yeah, so that vidy bdbach would work. I came. I saw I conquered that Caesar's quote, Julius Caesar's quote. That's the first one off the top of my head. It's been a while because that was something that I haven't gotten into in a few years now, since I graduated, once I started

in STM stuff, I haven't really looked at Latin much. Well, you know, i'd like to. I'd like to think that Big Fing to Beyond as a podcast that the guests kind of walk away thinking, well, that was challenging to be on. We'll see I'll let you know. Well you said b dvdvch. It reminds me of that was that robot's name on that Buck Rogers that TV series in the seventies Beat I think it was Beat. He spoke like that bd bd bet that's real. So am I Bobo?

So am I? So ghost stuff in your past, bigfoot stuff in your past. And then somehow or another you stumbled upon the Small Town Monsters gang of misfits, and you've been kind of dragged along on their adventures ever since. Absolutely. Yeah, and it seems like my role keeps expanding. I mean it goes from like with Momo and Seth asked me to start helping. It was literally just find me, give me a list of names of people that I could potentially interview, and so just handing a list over to stef

to Now I'm the one contacting people and setting stuff up. I've now the role of producer and then have the podcast of course, and now we've launched a publishing company and I'm the editor for the books, and it's just more stuff all the time, and it's been pretty awesome. It does seem that Small Town Monsters is blossoming into much more than a small production house. So I know you guys have a podcast, now you say a publishing house as

well. Yeah, we've got Small Time Monsters Publishing, and we're actually getting ready to release our fourth book, which is Hunting Grounds by Aaron Deese. It's about dog man encounters in the land between the Lakes of Kentucky. Do you do any nonfiction though, uh uh uh huh. Yeah. We had the Kinderhook Creature and Beyond. If you want to stick with Bigfoot type stuff, Kinderhook Creature, we did that. That was one of our first books. Did you did you find good witnesses for the lbluh? Yeah. One

of the best witnesses that we've spoken to for LBL was Martin Groves. He had an encounter and pretty it's always it's always interesting to listen to his encounter. You can tell that there's still a lot of emotion there that has shaken him from whatever he did experience. It still bothers him to this day and that becomes pretty obvious whenever he starts to recount his story. So I'd say Martin Groves is one of the best interviews that we've had from that area.

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages, podcasts, publishing house, movie production. Thing you're doing live events. Monsterfests is coming up again. I see, Yes it is, Yes, it is, and we are very excited about it. We were very excited and anxious, just because there's always anxiety levels mixed with

something like an event like that. But we're pretty thrilled to have it come back to Canton, you know, have something near home, because that was something that was lacking. So nice to have something at home. Ohio has more than his fair share of conferences and festivals and all that other stuff, but there's really nothing up in that neck of Ohio. So I got to appear at it last year, and it has a lot of fun, especially for a first year conference. I'd say, you guys killed it. He's

absolutely killed it. But I cannot in the level of stress that must go on behind the scenes, with all those moving parts and different people and times and events and speakers and egos and tables and money changing hands and all that stuff must be absolutely ridiculous. How do you manage it all? I mean, you have kids too? Yeah, yeah, I've got three little ones. Well they're not little anymore, I guess, but three kids, and I don't know when it's all said and done. We sleep for like a

week, you know, just go into hibernation for a while. But it's just a lot of a lot of projects going at once and having to really section off your time. You know. Time management is important. Okay, enough time management, let's get back to dog Man. When was the first person you heard about that? Do you like? We're like, this could

be like really something. Well, that has to go back to when we filmed Skinwalker Hall of the Ruguru. Yeah, talking with people that had experiences down there, and the ones that really stick out to me are the ones that say that when they had their encounter, the best thing that they can equate it to is Anubis. I always find that intriguing. But the one that down in Louisiana that sounded or that had the encounter that looked like Anubis.

What she had done was her grandfather had been tilling a garden and as he was tilling, he pushed up some Native American artifacts, and as a young girl, she was curious about it. So she grabbed some and took them back into her room. And even though her grandfather said, don't disturb anything, I'm going to put it all back and we'll just make the garden

somewhere else. She took some pieces, went back to her room, and over the next five nights, every night that she would go to sleep or attempt to go to sleep, this thing would show up in her door that she said, look like Anubis or later she was able to equate to Anubis, because at the time she didn't really have an equivalent for it, but it would show up in the door and kind of speak to her and tell her you need to put this back. You're kind of disrespecting your ancestors here.

And she ignored it for a few days, and then on night four or five, it actually got up next to her bed, and she said that that's when she finally took it seriously because that was a little too close for comfort, and she ended up putting it back and then she never had an experience again, which is different. I mean, that's still different than the typical dog Man encounters where people are out in the woods and see a

creature and they're absolutely terrified. But that's still one that stuck with me. So what's your personal opinion on that, Like, after having researched it and talked to these people with dog Man, that is, with really any of these witnesses it's difficult for me to say that they didn't have an experience, right, especially whenever they're recounting their experience and they're very emotional. I am not one to tell them that they didn't experience what they think that they experienced.

When it comes to dog Man, it just seems like it's got to have some sort of supernatural aspect to it. I think because of this idea that people get this feeling they get of absolute evil. It's one of the only cryptids when we're talking about the world of cryptids that I can think of, where people unanimously hate it, like are just terrified of this thing.

You don't hear that necessarily with some of the other cryptids. I mean, there can be terrifying encounters, of course, but nothing that's almost universally terrifying as it is with dog Man. But some of the other things that people talk about they've encountered with it, like there's odd sounds that they hear right before seeing one. Of course, the impending sense of dread and doom.

Just the creature itself physically, how it could exist, to me, lends it more to a paranormal type realm for a dog Man and you're digging around about dog Man, you know, your research, behind the scenes stuff. What's the oldest account that you've ever run across that you deem to be credible? Ah? Wow, Well that's tough to say, because when you start to go back, you end up in like werewolf lore, which can go back even as far as the ancient Greeks. As far as that goes,

But then what is credible right as far as what stories are true? Well, here in North America, how about that? I'm not sure what the oldest one. I mean, recently, my mind is still stuck on some of the books that Aaron has written, like dogmyan Territory and or the Texas Dogy and Triangle, And there were some from the eighteen hundreds in there where, But those those are also not necessarily the quintessential dog man of something walking

up on two legs. There's a more like hyena like which I would think aren't beyond their almal possibility either for seeing something that might be like a hyena that got loose. So I don't know, the eighteen hundreds, probably yeah, because I think Lauren Coleman I could be wrong. I thought I saw it, and maybe I am I don't know. I thought Lauren wrote somewhere that the dog man thing wasn't really prevalent until Linda Godfrey started writing her books.

Well, the term wasn't for sure, the term dog man wasn't wasn't relevant until Linda Godfrey and that she kind of put that on the map with the Beast of Bray Road as far as that goes. But before that, I mean, if you start looking at what dog man looks like and the way that people explain their encounters, it's still it overlaps with what would people

would consider a were wolf. And so you got to think of, like the lexicon at the time, if people are having experiences, if dog man wasn't really a term that was out there, they're using the next closest thing that they can think of, which would be a were wolf. So with

what other sort of strange critters besides dogmen or sasquatches or even ghosts. I guess since you've had some tangential experiences with those, or maybe even personal experiences of those, what's of some of the odder the stranger Cryptid said, you've had the pleasure of doing research on, Well, we had the Jersey Devil, which is quite an amalgamation of things. Even though when we did that, we didn't do the typical aspect of our documentaries like normally do. Like

we didn't go out and find witnesses to the Jersey Devil. We went into a more historical aspect of things. But the Jersey Devil itself is pretty weird, pretty weird creature. I don't know. We go into UFOs and those can get really weird as far as the contact with aliens go on personal things, not just small town monsters, but in other things that I've researched.

There's a story not too far from here about a pig lady. They can they call her the pig Lady, and the idea is that she's a spirit that has a pig head and she manifests every once in a while over near not far from Colombiana County, Ohio, which isn't far from here. I'm close to Pennsylvania. But these creatures that are the mix of things, like right now I'm looking into goat man sightings, so the ones that are anthropomorphized

a little bit, those are ones that I find really interesting. Well, allways, research you've done, like you know, you guys are looking at like you know, like obviously monsters, like the scary aspects of a lot of things. Have you personally done any research for you, like you think

that this missing person case is attributable to you ENCRYPTID. No, I haven't done any research that I've thought this has got to be at related situation, not saying that it's not possible with certain things, but I haven't come across anything that's been like that. Not yet. Anyway, we haven't really gone down I mean we did Land of the Missing, but I mean a lot of people go missing in Alaska as far as that goes, so it's hard

for me to say that that necessarily attributed to ENCRYPTID. What do you think I think? I think that sasquatches are definitely responsible for some missing people. Not not a huge percentage, but yeah, like Alaska and Northern Canada, I think it's the percentage of them that are dangerous goes up considerably just because of the the how rod is up there and how I mean just bleak it

is and dead of winter, late winter. I mean, those things are they got to eat and they were walking around out there, so we'd probably a pretty easy meal to grab. Times are tough. Yeah, if that makes sense. Now, speaking of sasquatches, you also have the pleasure of living on or near, at least at one point in your life a property where sasquatches were frequent visitors. Yes, yeah, And the things have kind of quieted down on the farm, specifically because we had oil and gas pipelines

come in and cut down. I mean, I'm guessing that this is part of the reason that it's died down. Cut down a large portion of the woods and then dig up the ground, and things have quieted down over the last year or so since they left. So I'm hoping that we get some activity again. But I don't know if we were just lucky and that things happened to be traveling through during the few months that we were filming the Bigfoot

project or what. But that was specifically on the farm. But recently there was a sighting actually in Carroll County on a road that if you remember when I took you out to where my parents live and we went out on the woods there and we heard this howl or what sounded like a howl. There was a sighting there recently, within the last couple of weeks actually on just over the hill from there. It was on one of the roads that I took you guys on when you were here. So stuff is still happening in

the area. No, I think that was. I think that was how I think that was one of them. It's like one of these rare, not unheard of, but rare daytime vocalizations, and we just happened to have had the cameras running at the time. I think that was a solid hit. Yeah, that was. It was pretty awesome. But yeah, stuff still happening there in that area for sure, because the sighting was a road crossing sighting. Oh yeah, I think that there are probably residents there,

you know, they're just the locals, you know. So but what about that that other property where like Seth saw one and all that other stuff. How did that come on your rate? I mean, I know you lived there for a while. I don't know if you still do or not.

How did that start? So that was family property and we had just moved there in August, I believe, and it was I don't remember what year it was at this point, but a couple of years ago, but it was August when we moved in, and I had a friend fly in from she was in Oregon at the time, from Oregon to visit, and we had gone out into the woods and she wanted to do like a paranormal investigation, and she was getting uneasy in the woods, so she made us go

out into the field. So when we were out in the field, I just I was getting kind of bored because I'm like, this doesn't seem like an investigation of any sort right now. I'm like, let's just let me play this Ohio how that I've that I've heard before on my phone, which

was recorded in Columbiana County, just the next county over. So I played the howl and we got a return howel back And that was kind of the beginning of that, And coupled with the fact that when we first moved here, this farm is on three hundred acres and it's a mix of fields and woods. But what I would do when we first moved here was I would take different rocks and crystals and things and I hid them around the woods with the idea that when my kids got old and they were exploring, that they'd

find these little treasures. So after we had that experience with the howl, I went back out to one of the places where I had kept my crystals, and one of the crystals was gone and in its place was a vertebrae. I'm guessing a dear vertebrate based on the size of it. And I immediately called Seth and I'm like, you're not gonna believe what's going on here.

But you know, we had this howl a few nights ago, and now this crystal's gone and there's a vertebrae in the plate in its place, and I was already picking it up and looking at it, and he of course was like, don't touch it. I'm like, too late. I already sorry. I already picked it up. But what would happen over the next few weeks then, is that the different crystals and things they would get

moved, they wouldn't disappear like that one. The one that disappeared was actually gone for about a month, and then it was returned in the exact same place, except it was covered in mud, which was really weird. But well, I told Seth about this, and he said, well, let me come out with a camera and see what I can see. You know what happens here, And that's how the Bigfoot project was born, and especially

the very first episode. You can see a lot of the activity that occurred one of our first nights here, and I think that a lot of that was attributed to the fact that we had our kids at the back cabin, and I think that they were kind of interested and intrigued by what was going on with the children, especially because that seemed to be one of the most activity. Most active nights that we had were when the kids would be around. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be

right back after these messages. Now, when you say the back cabin, is that the one that was on the road, or there's another cabin pretty far out by a little pond. Yeah, that cabin. That's that cabin, the one that I'm talking about. It is the back cabin, the one that's by the pond. That's where we had all of our activity. That's a pretty good distance from the main house too, if I remember correctly,

Yeah, it is. I know when I had an opportunity to visit, I was doing the Ohio big Foot Conference a handful of years ago, and I was invited out by you all to come spend a few days out there and do some filming and stuff. I don't I don't. Did you ever use all that? I don't even know. Yes, we did.

I was very impressed with the property. I mean, it's it's excellent Bigfoot habitat for that part of the country is very typical, you know, just a mixture of huge, wide open fields with pockets of woods that are all kind of entertangled together with various you know, green belts connecting this area to that area, and deep ravines and just rolling hills. It's pretty amazing stuff. It was a really neat place to visit. It's pretty nice out here.

I like the variation in the topography. And yeah, I liked when I when I took you out to where I grew up, and you had mentioned that it was like a box canyon type situation. I believe is the terminology you used. Yeah, that place is squatchy as all get out. That place is nuts like that. That's if I lived anywhere near there, That's where I'd be going, you know. Weekly. See I need to get seth on that because he hasn't gone and stayed the night out there yet.

But I just go walk up during the day and look, you know, just train yourself to track and start tuning your eyes. Just go out there as much as you can. That one canyon that we walked up where we happened to get that vocalization. I don't think you need to go anywhere else. I mean, they're probably they're not there all the time, obviously, but they'd be there some of the time. So I know, I

know Seth saw one on the property. Has anyone else observed a sasquatch on that big farm land that you live on, No, not that I'm aware of. If they did, it was before we moved here. So I saw that one while they were out filming b roll and I was at the

main house watching the kids, and he came back to the house. I was just so excited about what he'd seen, and you could see a little bit was caught on film, but it was one of those situations where it was far enough away that it just looks like a little blob, you know, going across the screen. But yeah, he was fortunate enough, and as far as I know, the only one that's seen anything here right now,

Small Town Monsters probably has a handful of projects going. I know that there's you know, Eli was just here at the Museum a few weeks ago, film and some stuff for this thing. Yeah, I mean all the minions are out doing whatever they do, and Seth included. I think Seth himself is a minion. What's an exciting project that you're working on that you can talk about, Well, we are working, like you said, we're working on a handful right now. Or we're getting ready to go to North

Carolina and film the next installation of on the Trail of Bigfoot. This one's going to be called The Ancients. So I can't talk about that one too much in depth because primarily because we haven't shot it yet. But that's the one that's on my radar most heavily at the moment. But we're also simultaneously working on Cryptid goat Man, So I'm still scouring for goat man encounters or storytellers who can tell us about goat man in the area, because that seems

to be something that is spread out through the United States. Everybody, every state seems to have its own little goat man legend somewhere. And then we had the Thomas Mantel project, which is going to be called Lost Contact. We're filming that in bits and pieces and that took place in Kentucky. Franklin, Kentucky's where Thomas Mantel crashed after chasing a UFO. He lost control of the plane and ended up dying as a result of it. When was that

That was in nineteen forty eight. It's touted as the first one of the first instances of the military going after a UFO and then of course it unfortunately resulted in his death. But yeah, that was around Franklin, Kentucky is where he passed away, And that was in nineteen forty eight, And we just recently got back from a trip where we had interviewed some original witnesses actually, so they were very young at the time, but they remember the crash

itself, and that was something very interesting. Is there plane wreckage still out there in the woods somewhere? So supposedly the government came in and recovered everything. But then there's also this story, like it's a there's two different stories. One that the government came in and reclaimed everything, especially the large pieces, Like there's no doubt that the large pieces of the plane were recovered and taken somewhere, probably right Patterson Air Force Base, but we're not sure.

But then there's another story that large sections of it, like the little pieces of debris and stuff, but still a decent amount we're just put into a pit and buried, and so we're trying to find out if that's true as well. I like the historical stuff. Some of my favorite things that are done out there are the researches that are tangentile to you know, in my

case, sasquatch or whatever weird thing you're into. But when it touches on history like that and there's remnants kind of left behind for people, you know, I think that's probably one of the coolest things about this kind of work at least. Yeah, that's I mean, even something like when we did the Bell Witch. It was interesting because the bell Witch story is still being talked about, but you can go and see the remnants of the homestead where

the Bell family lived. Even though that story was from the early eighteen hundreds, you can still see bits and pieces of it. And I agree. I love when you can correspond these stories with some stuff that's left in modern day. It kind of brings history home a little bit. It kind of grounds it into our own lives and connects us because really history wasn't that long ago, you know, like eighteen hundred wasn't really that long ago when it

comes down to it. But you know, for for at least my sake, and I'm assuming a couple of our listeners as well, can you tell us about the Bell Witch? Sure? So, in eighteen seventeen, in a place that's now known as Adams, Tennessee, it's in Robertson County, Tennessee, there was a family that had recently moved from North Carolina, the Bell family, and they lived in a cabin on a nice area of farmland.

And one day the patriarch or the family, John Bell, was out checking the fields and he saw supposedly this creature that was half dog half rabbit, as in it had a dog's body, but the head of a rabbit disturbed him. He shot at it disappeared so and it's not clear whether it just like disappeared in a puff of smoke or if it ran away or whatnot,

but either way, he didn't kill it. Shortly after that happened, his children started to see weird things like oversized birds, odd things out in the fields as well, and pretty soon they all started hearing like scratching on the walls of the cabin, gnawing on the bedpost at night, and of course we're talking the early eighteen hundreds, so it's not like they had electricity

at the time. They would light their candles or lanterns to see what was making the sounds, and whenever the lights would come on, then the sounds would stop. This went on for quite some time until they started to invite people over, like the neighbor, to try to help them figure out what

was going on. And they invited the one neighbor, James Johnson, over and he started to hear these sounds, and he out loud had demanded that whatever this thing was creating these sounds, that it let itself be known. Once he kind of demanded that, then whispers started, just disembodied whispering,

and eventually the whispering became clear enough that it started talking. And this entity starts explaining that it's there to punish John Bell, and it doesn't care for John Bell, never explains why, just says that it's there to punish him, and subsequently does continue to torture him over the next few years, and his daughter, Betsy Bell, the oldest daughter, tortures the family gives so

many sleepless nights, it becomes quite a story. People come from all over the country to experience the Bell Witch because people would come in and they'd let neighbors and strangers come in and stay on their property, and they would actually experience the voices and things moving across the room and whatnot, you know, typical poltergeist activity. And this went on until December twentieth of eighteen twenty.

John Bell had been getting ill and had gotten worse and worse, and on the twentieth he did not awaken, and next to his bed they found a vial of dark liquid that was half empty, and the witch, supposedly her voice, came out and said that she had fixed him that night. She made sure that he was dead, that was her doing, and sure enough

he was gone. The story goes that to figure out what the what the was in the vial, they took a drop of it and gave it to the cat, and the cat subsequently died as well, so they knew that

it was poison. But she sang and carried on and was very joyous at his funeral as well, and the next spring made sure that Betsy knew that Betsy could not continue on with her engagement that she was in at the time with a man named Joshua Gardner. She kind of threatened Betsy and said, if you continue down this path, you know, remember what I did to

your dad, The same thing will happen to your fiance. So she breaks the engagement with him and then ends up marrying somebody else and eventually moves away. But in a nutshell, that's the story of the Bell which it goes on from eighteen seventeen to eighteen twenty one, and supposedly she comes back around eighteen twenty six and talks to the oldest Bells son, John Bell Junior, and gives him predictions of the future, like predicts World War one and World

War two, and just reminds me of it. Not her damis in a way as far as her predictions go. But then she disappears. She was supposed to come back in one hundred and seven years, and as far as we know, she never really came back. But the story is that she still can be irritated and agitated and haunts the area today, but not in the same way that she did with the family. She's not killing anybody by any means, but she will get upset if disrespected. Well, I get

that irritation thing. People can be pretty hard sometimes. So the podcast, how did that start? Because you're doing it and I didn't even know about it, and I've just seen everyone swile on Twitter or something like that, and oh, look at that. How many episodes in are you? We're over forty episodes in at this point. We did have to take a break. We started it a couple of years ago, and then we had to

take a break because we lost our showrunner. So until we got somebody else to come in and kind of produce the episodes, all of the podcasts and the network kind of took a break for about a year. Did the Witch get them? Yes, yep, exactly. He had. He was disrespectful and so but yeah, we're forty three episodes in at this point, I believe. Yeah. And the idea started with Seth had said he wanted to come up with some new shows, and I threw out the idea of the

lore you know is based on the more you know? Yeah, thank you, and he said, yeah, let's make it an interview show and bring people on and talk to them, and so that's what it is. It's a story a Storyteller's podcast, storytellers and folkloris. I like to just talk to people about stories and ask them. At the end of each episode, I said, can you tell me a story and see what they've got.

So the rest of the time we talk about, well, what they're what they have done, their personal experiences, and the encounters that they have had.

Because it still is an STM podcast, so it is related to you know, Bigfoot or Mothman or any of these cryptids that we've covered, and or the paranormal or their researchers that maybe didn't have personal experiences but have had plenty of stories told to them by people, and so we we dive into that for the episode, and then at the end I asked them to tell me one of their stories. So here's a question for you. Would you rather be trapped in a house with Seth or Eli for one week? Oh?

My, for a week? Can't leave? All your groceries are there? That's I guess the Geneva conventions. Well, Eli will hate that. It probably Seth because listen, I've been trapped with Eli in places and if I have, like you're talking about a week's worth of groceries. The groceries wouldn't last. Eli would just eat them all. Oh he's a grown boy

man. Yeah, Seth would at least share where would like when we were in Alaska the first night that Eli joined us, I had leftovers in the fridge and the next morning they were gone because Eli had been hungry and just went in. He didn't even know who they were. He just ate leftovers. Awesome as whoop. Yeah, So I'd probably stay with Steth for the week over Eli. But Eli's great too. You just got to watch your food, That's all, you know. We featured Eli and the most recent

museum member video. He came out, he was filming whatever he was doing or whatever. We went out because somebody heard vocalizations the night before at this place up by Lolo pass Road that a lot of stuff happens up there. So we went up there and walked around in the snow and it was terrible and stuff. But I'll tell you what, man, The thing about Eli, I respect, and I respect like all the small town monsters. People are great, you know. Don't get me wrong. There's not one of

you that I don't enjoy spending time with. Every one of you guys. Great. I don't know how how any of you guys got so lucky to be involved in such a wonderful Muppet production like you do. You know. But the thing about Eli that I respect or anything is that it's the poncho and the hat. Uh huh. Yeah, Like I couldn't wear that. Bubba, Well, Bubba might be able to, but I couldn't pull that off. Yeah, neither. It's Eli thing for sure. I've got photos

back in the eighties pulling that off, no problem, do you. Yeah, well, tell me about that. The group of guys like Health, we always buy ponchos down when we went to Baja. We always get ponchos because we love the good, the bad, the like all those Clint Swood movies where you wore the poncho. Sure so yeah, the Hiarachi's surf trucks. I speak on behalf of all of our listeners that we demand to see those pictures as soon as Bottle I can find I can find some. Oh

my god, I would love that she didn't Jackie live. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. What's next for you there? Heather, like, what's going on? Like, what are you looking forward to next? I know you're working on a lot of things, but it has to be a lot more than a work for you. I mean, you must enjoy this sort of thing. What's really got you going right now? What are you extoked about?

Well, I'm really excited about monster fests coming up for one, just to hopefully we have a turnout like we did last time. So I'm excited about that coming up. But I am really jazzed about this ancient shoot to get back to the area around Cherokee, North Carolina. That's a place that I got to visit a lot whenever I was younger, but i haven't been there in quite some time. So I'm excited to go back there. And that's pretty much the next big the big thing to look forward to for me.

Are you usually on the shoot? Are usually out in the field with everybody? I'm usually on the shoot. It depends on the situation as so whether I'm out in the field or if I'm back at the Airbnb helping conduct interviews, because sometimes sets out in the field and so I'm the one to running the interviews back at the pat the house. Else so it just depends on

this particular shoot. I'm still getting the schedule together. It looks like there's going to be at least a couple of days where I will be running the interviews while Seth is out in the field. And how many days does it take to make a standard feature? And your features are about an hour, aren't they? Yeah, they're anywhere from like eighty to ninety minutes on average. Oh so okay, it's an hour and a half or so. Then okay, and how long does it take to shoot all that on average?

I know that everyone's different, you know, And I know that. Yeah, Well, for the larger project like this one is going to be about a five day shoot where we're trying to get them shorter and shorter, so just because it's harder to get away from the kids for longer shoots, like once upon a time when we did Alaska, we were there for seventeen days,

and that's just not realistic anymore with our little ones. Do you guys ever have stuff happening at base camp when you're filming out like on the Bigfoot stuff, especially throughout the woods, and like they're out filming in the was, like you're back at base camp, you know, like organizing stuff. Do you guys ever have something happening like rocks thrown or knocks or whoops or

anything like that. Uh, that hasn't happened too often. I mean Set's been out and had some things happen when he's out in the field, But as far as like with the rest of us, no, we haven't. Really. The most that's occurred back at base camp would have been more like paranormal type stuff, which everybody dismisses. It seems like except me, what

have happened paranormal base camp? When like, what were your filming where we've had things like it sounds like doors slamming or people walking upstairs or something like that when there's no one else in the house and everybody just kind of shrugs it off or oh, it must have been whatever and they don't really want to talk about it. But where they just look at me and kind of

shake their head like it's your fault. Yeah, like somehow it's my fault, or oh, you're just gonna take this and run with it or whatever. But I'm like, listen, I'm not. It's not like I dropped everything and say Okay, guys, let's investigate. I just kind of like like that something happened and we move on. But I just sometimes I wish that more would occur so that we wouldn't have so many naysayers on the crew with paranormal stuff. But does that suck that you're with people that don't like

that you're working on a project like that. They didn't think it's real, right if we're doing paranormal stuff, they're totally out on that, it seems like for the most part. And we don't really get to work on paranormal stuff very often, but when we do, it's a lot of the people on the crew are not too keen on that. I feel like I should apologize to you for that. Bobo apology accepted. Well, Heather, we're

just about out of time here. And so if people want to check out what you're doing, what Small Town Monsters in general is up to why your podcast of course is a great thing. So you can for people to listen to because they can hear directly from your mouth the things you think and the things you've investigated and talked to people about called the lor you know work and people can get that. Probably the same podcast platfor they listen to this one

right absolutely, and small Town Monsters. Are you guys still exclusively on YouTube? No, we do have a lot of our stuff on YouTube, of course, but we you can find us on two B. You can find our movies on Amazon. We actually are getting ready to launch something called Unexplained TV, which will be a fast channel that certain distributors will be picking up and then it'll just be a channel that you can turn to that's just STM

all the time, twenty four hours a day. So if people keep a watch on Small Town Monsters or a newsletter whenever that comes out to different platforms, we'll put that out there and people can watch Small Town Monsters twenty four hours a day. Holy crap. Congratulations on all the progress forward. You know, clearly I'm way out of touch. You guys are just everywhere. So congratulations to you and the entire team. That's fantastic. Thanks other I

appreciate you showing up. Let's been a little more spooky and creepy in the members section. Coming up now, we'll do a bonus episode here for our Patreon members. All right, folks, Well, thanks to Heather Moser for joining us and We're gonna get a little creepy with her in the beyond Bigfoot Beyond for our members, So until next week, y'all, keep it beyond

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