Ep. 254 - Q&A - March, 2024

Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like to say, subscribe and raid it. I'm stuck and me grates on us today and listening watching lim always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How you doing? Man? All right? How's it going with you? Busy as I always am, it seems Bigfoot absorbs most of my time. As usual. I've done two investigations this week alone. One of them turned

up some footprints that ended up being boots. But I'll be you know, as I was, I dropped by the shop Monday, I had to pick something up to make one of our I had to pick up a camera to

complete one of our member videos, the museum member videos. And when I was here, somebody showed me photographs of a footprints that they had found that morning out by rhododendron and the snow, you know, and saying, well, it's kind of blobby and weird, but those might be toes, and you know, it is my professional obligation to follow up on these things at this point, so I figured it out right, Well, I can take

a little break and go to the woods. And so I went up there and it was cold and everything, and long story short, they ended up being boot marks that you know, the rain dropping from the trees had like made things that look like toes in them. Oh yeah, yeah, we've all followed up on dead ends and that happens all the time. That's a common one. The people a lot who never take that into consideration, the

drops coming off branches above. Oh yeah. And you know what's interesting about this one, to me at least, is that the toes indicated that if it was a sasquatch, which it was not, it was traveling a certain direction, but actually the boots were traveling the opposite direction, you know. So what was happening was a combination of the drip drops that we were just talking about, and also the heel raising out of the snow pulled out sections

of the snow that kind of suggested toes. So that kind of gave the illusion of toes. Because you know, my saying I should make shirts out of this to say that the footprint is not the shape of the foot, it's the shape of the damage under the ground by the foot. And in this case, the boot lifting out of the snow brought along some of the snow with it and kind of made a toe shape sort of thing. So did that, and then on Tuesday. I worked the shop every Tuesday,

and some guys came in. They spoke to I think Nico the previous Friday or Saturday when I was not here, and they were asking where should we go? You know, where's a good spot to go big footing? And you know, we get that question kind of a lot. We always send him up the mountain towards rhododendron at this one particular location where there's been a number of siding reports. And they went out there and then Monday night they're

sitting around It was about they said, it was fifteen degrees. They're sitting around a fire they made. They got kind of to a certain point in the road. They're trying to go on up the hill, but they got to a certain point where they couldn't go any further because the snow is too deep, and so they're just camping there for the night. And they said,

yeah, we heard the weirdest vocalization. Something yelled out there. And it wasn't a scream, It was a yell, like a mid pitch sort of yell that started low, then it like raised up and pitch, and then it got to a certain place and then it stayed there and kind of warble like vibroad oed a little bit, and it had to be at least five or eight seconds, and then it dropped down and pitch and turned into like this gravelly sort of yell like growl thing. And I'm thinking, oh,

dude, there's only one thing that could be. And they didn't know that what they were describing to me was basically the Ohio. How So we went out last night to go poke around in that area in the snow, and you know how much I love snow. Yeah, yeah, not at all. I thought of you actually, because we're walking through the snow. It's like, I know, I was like, Bobo, what hate this? You know? So yeah, I thought of you last night. You

were with me in spirit. Oh and I guess we did a news piece last week for the local was a KPT, a local Portland news station. A guy named Greg Nibler or something came out I can't remember. I don't know how to pronounce his last name, and i'd be L E R maybe it's nibbler. I don't know, but i'd say nibler. He came out with a camera crew and filmed some stuff last Thursday, I think it was. But I guess the good news is I got a witness today over on

Larch Mountain. Yeah, he saw one in March a few years ago, about two years ago. He was up there at like three am or something and he just needed some time alone to clear his head sort of stuff and having a bad day. So he went up there and his window was down, and he walked around the car a little bit and sat down in the car, and then he heard boom boom boom boom boom bo, just something running up on him. And he goes, wit, yay, what the hell is that, you know? And he looks over to the left and

his his headlights were off, but his ambers were on. And he looks over to the left and like ten feet away from his car, there's a huge sasquatch standing there with an arm up in well here at a big crack, you know. And he looks over at the where the crack came from and there's a huge sasquatch standing there. He said it was bigger than Murphy, and Murphy's seven and a half feet tall, so a huge sasquatch standing

there with his arm up on some branches like looking at him. And you know, he flipped his lid and got out of there right away, but he got a pretty good look at it as best he could in the amber light as after his eyes adjusted and stuff. So there's just another mark on the map man for large mountain. It's a good, good, good area, all right. So what we're doing mail call today. Yes, we're doing a Q and A today, which will do about once a month.

And these are all users submitted, like listeners submitted questions. And if you would like to ask either Bobo or I or question, feel free to do so. You can email us at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast at gmail dot com, or you can go to the website which is Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and there is a button there's this contact and you can leave us a voicemail. You can actually talk to us and hear your beautiful voice on the air and record a question for us and then Bobo and I will answer it.

And for our Patreon members, it's five dollars a month. You get an extra a bonus episode a week. But yeah, we do remember only every Thursday. So a lot of people are enjoying that. We have people sign up, and we got all lot of positive feedback and we've got more comings, so interested that check it out. It's in the description below. All right, So, mister Matt Pru, why don't you keep the first voicemail? Please? I really enjoy the show. I almost feel like I

host it every week. I got a buddy named Jim. He says he would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch Chronicles trivia game. I would destroy him, Jim, Jim, I will ask the question. My question is will Bobo return as the reigning champ if a proper challenger is found? Thanks for your hard work, guys, I will keep listening. There's nobody greater than Tony Merkle out there. Here's the strongest opponent I could ever have. So I'm retiring the champ. You're not afraid, are you? Bobo? Hell ya

Afred? I'll get smoked now. I don't know. Maybe I'll take him on, you know it, let's do a tag team. Me and Clip will take on anybody. Oh that's interesting, kind of like like who wants to be a millionaire, we get to call somebody. Yeah, No, it's a tag team trivia contest. Do we take turns back and forth? Or to say I don't know this one, bobes, it's yours. I think whoever whoever on the team knows it answers it. That's pretty tough.

I killed it in Jeopardy last night. It's kind of like kind of like a pub trivia, right, you know, our funding big Foot, our finding big Foot casting when we were at the bar. Sometimes when we did that, when were on the road, we we crushed like good teams. I am pathetic at that because I have so little like cultural knowledge, you know, the sports and all that sort of stuff. That's right, I come in, I know, I know. Yeah, you're super strong on

that, you really are. I'm good on the history. Yeah, I got the science stuff and a few odds and ends and like nerd stuff. But other than that, I'm kind of useless. Yeah, as long as it's not like modern music or you know, any of that kind of stuff. So yeah, we'll take on any two challengers that could qualify. We'll have the determined qualification later. But uh, I probably get back to Bigfoot. Yeah, I think one of the qualifications would be easy to beat,

so we don't look bad. Well, before we move on, I'm surprised that you guys didn't pick up on anything in that voicemail that was submitted by a friend of our. Listen very closely when I played again. I really enjoy the show. I almost feel like I host it every week. I got a buddy named Jim. He says he would destroy Bobo in the Sasquatch Chronicles game. I would destroy him, Jim, Jim, I will ask the question. A friend of the show submitted that, and is both of

your voices is that me? Doesn't? Does it sound like me? That's not what I sound like inside my head. Although Bobo said it sounded like me, and I thought that was weird. But I thought that the other dude behind there, Jim, I thought that, oh, that guy kind of sounds like Bobo. That said that. I That's what I was afraid. I said, that guy sounds like a genius. I don't want to

take that guy on for sending that in. That was quite funny. That West girmer yep, like he just sent it to me and he was like, hey, put this in the Q and A and don't don't tell him, just catch him off guard with it and see how they respond. And so I thought you'd be like, wait a minute, whose voice was that? But instead you're both like just answering the question. It didn't sound like us, you know, it sounded just like it didn't sound it sounds kind

of like me. But yeah, anyways, or well, you know, well, the thing is, you know, how like you do I really sound like that? You know, people always ask that when they hear the record that to me, that's not what I sound like to me, you know, So of course I didn't recognize, you know, my own voice. I enjoyed it, but yeah, we can move on to the decks. But I thought it was funny. It's funny, well thinking, yeah, that's of course the Great West from Sasquatch Chronicles. We really appreciate it.

And the fact that he listens, by the way it to me is just what a kind gesture, and it's kind of humbling in a way. That's really nice because he's like the king of Bigfoot, you know, podcast in every way. So the fact that he listens to us, what are

you doing wasting your time listening to us? Man? I know we got listeners, but like when people like that, like when I hear something like that listens to job, I'm like, no way, really, like if like we be like someone you're like a Bob shoot where the big where big foot walks? Oh, Bob Pile, Yeah, Bob Pile. When he said you listened to the podcast, I was like, just like jaw drop, like no way that It makes you kind of self conscious obvious things.

I think, like there's there's actually, you know, some pretty people I look up to that listen to it, and I'm always like blown away and they say they listen. Yeah, yeah, you know. Last week I think I don't know if it was our bonus or if as a regular episode.

I got a text, you know, in the evening from doctor Cheryl and he was and he corrected me about some pale anthropologies stuff that I said on the air, and I said, oh, okay, well that's cool, and he said he would supply me with some research papers so I can learn about it and stuff. I said, that's great. By the way, I'm still waiting for it, doctor Cheryl. I'm still waiting to get those papers. But nonetheless, it was a reminder once again it's like,

oh, yeah, I forgot that. You know, people actually listen to this because at the end of the day, you know, I leave the museum and I go upstairs in the museum and I talked to Bobo and Matt for a couple hours. That's that's my job here. I kind of forget that other people are actually listening at all. Yeah, it happens. That's that's good sometimes and not so great other times. That forget. Yeah, yeah, I kind of got to watch your p's and q's. By the

way, what does that stand for? P's and q's, pines and quartz, pines and quartz. Yes, well that's weird. Don't pay for a court and only get a pint pay attention. Oh is that what it's about. I just made that up. Why would you? I don't know. That doesn't make any more sense than it did before. You know, that's a good question for that. I used to listen to that nerdy show on the weekends on public radio that Away with Words and then go to the entomology

of the history of a word, how it evolved. Oh, that sounds like a fun show. I like that. Yeah, I haven't heard in yours. I did catch this thing going around on the internet right now, and I'm sure I'm going to butcher it, but it says something to the effect of people who don't know the difference between etomology and entomology. Bug me to the point I have where I have no words. I said the right way I said. I didn't say entomology, did I? Oh, I

didn't say you did, But it just reminded me of that saying. And I thought that was hilarious. That's a great one. I never heard that saying that. That's funny. Now it's perfect. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. Why don't we hop on the next question there? And thanks Wes, Thank you Wes. Hi. My name is Toby. I am from o'campton.

I would just like to ask question. I've heard encounters where people are like experiencing things but they can't actually see it, could like Bigfoot go invisible, but you still have the feeling. Please use my question and yeah peace. Hopefully your podcast go viral. All right, Boby, you want to take this one. It doesn't seem likely, doesn't make much sense. It's not the parsimonious answer, But who knows. I mean, it's not likely, it's one in a million, But you're saying there's a chance. Yeah,

I'm saying, no, no chance. And the reason I say that is because everything about sasquatches strongly shows that they evolved on this planet. You know, there's nothing that weird about them. And why is it that people that we have thousands of reports right, and the vast majority of them the sasquatch walks away if they could turn invisible when they just blink, you know, blink and be out, be done, you know, like the evidence is

strongly against that. The only thing that is for that are some people who say it might be or that is that it is true, and people say all sorts of stuff. There's no reason to think that would be true at this point. I wouldn't think that is true of bear or deer or elk or mice or any other sort of mammals, and they all evolved on this planet too, So I don't think so. I guess anything's possible, but that sure doesn't seem like it's possible. I don't think they do. But

I'm not saying I'm not saying it for sure they don't. I mean, I'll hold out judgment until the final end, but uh yeah, it's I mean they're they're super fast. They get down on the ground low more than people realize. They can belly crawl like an alligator, you know, like fast down with their belly on the ground. They're faster than hell on their feet or on all fours, and they can climb, and they can jump incredible distances. And I've just heard some reports, like reliable ones this this

thing was jumping on all fours twenty five thirty feet an elite. They're also the color of the forests. Well, they blend in so well with the background, you know, I mean, so in that way, they can kind of quote unquote turn invisible. But they're not turning invisible. No, probably not. But there are no vibrations and all this and that. I doubt they can. But until everything's settled, I'm saying there's a chance it's

very very safe of you. Well, that gonna be dumb and dumber and dumbest, now the three of us, that's that's what you're saying, big fists might be able to turn invisible. I'm not going there. I'll say they don't and I'll be I'll be sure of that, but you know, me and man, I'm also not too scared about being wrong either, So and a man, if they could turn invisible, I guess that would be super interesting and I'd be thrilled in some sort of way. I'd be extraordinarily

surprised. I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised aself they could that, I would like like faint and practically, you know, just drop because I'm so shocked. I'd be like, well, that's that's a trip. Yeah, But I don't think that's it. I don't think that's the go to explanation. I think that we should look at other things first, like maybe the person lost sight of them, you know, I agreed, maybe blended in

the background, maybe it dropped down, you know. But I don't I think jump into invisibility or morphing in and out of this dimension or any of those sort of more like spookier sort of explanations should be ignored. Frankly, just frankly ignored. Don't pay attention to them, because they should be the last resorts after all the other options have been dismissed, And oh absolutely,

I don't think the paranormal community goes to that length. I think that that's one of their first go tos, like oh they did this, as opposed to oh maybe I just lost track of it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think it has to do their quickness and just their their ability to just blend into their environment. People say they're looking right on, like I mean, how many times have you heard I thought I was looking at a stump. They'll sometimes wrap themselves around a tree and look like a big

chuck, like a big slab of burrow or something. You know, I guess we answered that sufficiently, or you did, I probably didn't. All right, what else you got through it? Hey, guys, this isn't really a big related question, but on the Washington versus Oregon Finding big Foot episodes, Matt said, winner gets a steak theater. I like my well gun, So thank you very much, Team Oreon, And I was just wondering, how well done do you guys think steak should be? What is

the perfect way to cook a steak? Because personally, I think Matt should be imprisoned for saying he likes well done, but that's just me. But anyways, thank you for taking my question. So of all of Matt Moneymaker's crimes, he should be for the way he prefers his steaks just teasing. No, If he likes it well done, that's his thing, man, that's his thing. Boba, how do you like your steaks? And also t bone? What's your favorite cut? I like a good t bone.

Oh, of course, I like them all. I like them all medium rare. Yeah, I'm a ribby guy myself, and I go for medium rare. But I find when I at if I on a rare occasion that I have a steak in a restaurant or something like that, and it is rare. I mean, they're just too pricey and all that stuff. On the rare occasion, I may order a steak in a restaurant if I ask for medium rare, so it comes back more rare than I prefer. So I generally ask for things medium, and I tend to get it more like

the medium rare that I would define myself. So that's funny. HMP likes his extra well done and ketchup smothering it really jerky kind of yeah. Yeah, do you like charcoal jerky like you? He took this girl out to like a really fancy restaurant, he's never been to one before, and he ordered it extra well done and then with a bottle of ketchup, and a chef was offended, the waiter was offended. They didn't want to do it, and he goes, I know what I like and do what I want,

And so the girl said she was mortified. And of course HMP for maybe perhaps some new listeners or something. HMP stands for a heavy metal pat, one of Bobo's many friends that have adjectives associated with their name, and of course heavy metal patch. HMP was part of a fining big Foot episode

back in the day when we explored the Humboldt area. He was our final night investigation secret search technique and then it it got too misty and windy, like it started storming really hard to put his flowing mane up under his hat, which was a huge disappointment because I was supposed to be part of the allure of attracting a squatch was his lustious mane blowing in the breeze, not just his stellar, exquisite voice. Yeah, so, Bobo, there's something

HMP. I haven't seen him for quite a long time. I hope he's doing well, but he was your hair sense for so many years, like teaching you the intricate delicate balance of hair, hair products and that sort of thing. After you shaved your head. What what happened to h was he offended in any sort of way that like you cut off all your hair or anything. He was heckling me for a while, and then like two years ago he cut his into Elvis Pompadour because it is famous for years and years.

I mean he had he did the seven layers. He had like feathered seven layers, you know, parted in the middle, flowing, and uh, there's there's a whole there's a whole regiment with the with the hair, like uh, when you blow dry it, you gotta take your blow dryer and swing it around by the cord like nun Chucks. You gotta do full nun Chucks moves with it and then catch it like you throw it. You

sling it and you catch it in other hand. Then you you do a couple of head bangs, like throw your hair back and forth, and then throw your head back way back and throw your head way back, and then you catch it and you're singing it like it's a mic. And then you lean back until your hair touches your calves. Now you said it's a regiment, but honestly to me, that sounds more like what's the right word, a ritual. Yeah, and the regiment those hot your hair twice a week,

okay, h O T. I learned this from you. I had no idea what that was because but you demanded getting them like once a week on finding Bigfoot, once every other week. What is an hot for our listeners? Hot oil therapy, hot oil therapy and what does that entail? Surely the get dry hair, start getting split ends. But my hair was always thrash like from you know, on the road and stuff. It was. It was pretty dry hat a lot. But I have a h OT when I could get the split ends shrimmed up once in a while. I

remember the first time you dropped hot on me. I didn't know what you were talking about, of course, but you did it at Walmart. Yeah, Walmart will do it for you. They have good hot oil therapies. Yeah. That was like when we started the show. I doubt we were going to go see a Motley Crue concert an HMP when he'd go get his hair done at the He ended up marrying his stylist hairstylist and having a kid

at there at one point. But he would bring in his shout out the Devil album double album, you know on vinyl and set it up on the like where the where the mirror is, you know, for the for the hairdresser, and then he'd say do it like that. Then he had he had a nineteen eighty six teen or Tiger Beat magazine with an article on Motley Crue and Nicky six gave their their hair dye formula. It was like a mix of one in two or something or whatever. The numbers are like really

low numbers. He did mix those and that's what Tommy and NICKI got their hair done that color. So that was the color you'd get. Then you'd get it ho ted and h feather it and blow dry and you'd be rocking hot for HMP. Yeah, a lot of initials. So it sounds like a sesame street, you know for for heavy metal people. It kind of was. But that's why my hair was black on Funding Big, because we

did the first one. My hair was still died that color. I was thinking like, well that's cool because I can just keep it this color when the show's over. I could just cut it. No it I'll know. But then while we were doing the show, like when we started, my sideburns were gray, you know, getting like salt and pepper. And then by the time the show was over and I shaved my head, it was

like seventy five percent turned gray. So I went from like be like when I started, you know, I had like pretty regular brown hair, and then it by the time so when I shaved my head again and it grew out a little bit, it was like gray. So the people were like, whoa, they're a tripping. I remember I heckled you one time for for for dyeing your hair. Say, like, Boba, you gotta realize, you know, like salt and pepper and a man is really attractive and

stuff, You're gonna look great. And you said you should you should not dye your hair, man, just let it go. Let it go. And you said, f you clip, this is the same color as Nicky six uses that was a little more hardcore back then. Well, and of course I just realized, Okay, I'm not going to make fun of your value system. Hmp, h hmp. We was getting a he was getting

a Nickcky six tattoo. And we went to this tattoo convention and Nicky six was there and uh, he already had the actually already had the tattoo. And we went in and Nicky was there and fat I got on this autograph it and then he went over and had the tattooers autographed Nikki Six's signature. And there's tattoo of Nicky six on his forearm. There's a Bob Gimmlin tattoo just like that out there. Oh is there? Yeah, we had a picture of it on the on the wall when we heard yeah it's cool,

right, yes, classic, I've seen two tattoos of me. Nah really yeah, yeah, I said, gone squashing under it. And there was a picture when I was like my all time fattest and I had long hair and I had my hat on and uh and it just said gone squashing underneath it. And then the other one I saw me was kind of like the same look and look and it uh, it said, uh, the hats had gone squashed on it and it was it was it was my face. Did you see him in person or just photographs photographed? No, I saw

one in person. I saw one in person. Was on it was on both of them were on the person's calves. They had cows cah. So many people are used to the the old image of Bobo that even now five years into the podcast, you know, I post pictures of you guys to social media to promote new episodes, especially if it's one that's just the two of you. And so I posted one and then somebody was like, oh, Bobo looks different, is he okay? And so I responded and I

said, none, dare relegate Bobo to the mere realm of okay. This man is extraordinary. I said, Bobo stands as a towering monument to the audacity of the human spirit. And the guy immediately replied and said, I concur all right, why don't you give us the next voicemail here and we'll get into it. Hey, guys, name's Dawn here. I live in a small town in northern British Columbia. It's pretty remote and we're surrounded in a lot of bush and a lot of as you say, squatchy stuff actually

happens around here. I had a few friends that have some pretty upclose sightings, and I've had a few experiences myself spending a lot of time out in the bush hunting and fishing and hiking and this and that. My question is, if they were to make a major motion picture about a Sasquatch story, which story would you like to see realize? What would you like to see made into the next major motion picture? Allah Fire in the Sky or Harry

and Henderson's Thanks love the show. Well, you know, for me, the first thing that came to my mind was, of course, the Ape Canyon events. And that's probably because you know, here at the North America Bigby Center it's Ape Canyon Year. You know, twenty twenty four is the one hundred year anniversary of those events. Yeah, so we're gonna have Mark, Marcella and April talking about it. So my mind right now is all about Ape Canyon and what a fantastic story it is, and I think it

would make a great movie. The inaccessibility of the area like adds such a level of danger to it. The fact that the Sasquatch is attacked in retribution to one of them being killed, I think is a cool story point. And of course it's commonly used in a bunch of other Bigfoot sort of movies.

But the fact that the saga is still ongoing, it's still ongoing today, you know, like after the eruption, of course everything was lost, and then Mark rediscovered the cabin site, and and and and the Mitchell's, all those three gentlemen in their twenties, the great grandsons of one of the miners, they'd rediscovered the mine shaft. And then of course it's historic photographs at all surfaced in October. I think it was that never before seen.

The fact that the saga is still ongoing adds so much to that story for me personally, Like I am all about the Ape Canyon idea. Yeah, so for me, it'd be one hundred percent Ape Canyon. I think it would make a fantastic movie with an interesting sort of you know, a tag on the end of it, with all these developments that have happened ever since. You know, so not only the scary inside the cabin getting attacked and all that jazz, but the historical follow ups I think are super so SMU,

what about the what about the pre encounter? All the paranormal stuff they reported? What are you gonna do about that cliff? I'm gonna ignore it because fred Beck was a spiritualist, and he was none of those none of the paranormal aspects of the story were hoarded at the time to the newspapers,

even by fred Beck himself. It was only years and years and years later after he became involved in that sort of spirituality thing that was kind of all the rage at the time that all that stuff started surfacing, and you know, with the UFOs and all that other stuff. None of the other miners ever reported anything like that, and all the original newspapers never reported anything like

that as well, not even when they interviewed fred Beck about it. So I think all that stuff was made up later because fred Beck was well known to be kind of a i'm not sure what the word would be, prone to flights of fancy in various ways and all that sort of stuff. Not necessarily making things up in a Ray Wallace sort of hoaxing way, but he would take very unusual perspectives on a lot of things. So I don't think

any of that stuff happened. I think it just got introduced into his book later because he became interested in spiritualism at some point, and I think it strongly affected his person option of the events upon later recollection. Yeah, for me, it'd be it'd be a ken obviously is one of the one of the top you know ones that pops the minor right off the bat and then the check Co River Engine Devil massacre, that would be that would be awesome

because there's elements of that. But I also think uh uh, and of course the kidnapping of William Rowe up in British Columbia that that would be just But that would be hard because you'd have to have it be a lot of well, I guess if it's a major, major motion picture budget would be a problem in c g I, so cheap you have to do, you know, a lot of c g I to do the Family of Bigfoots. But I think I think it would be a really great one. And I

can't believe it has not been done. It's just unbelievable it hasn't been done at all. Would be Roger and Bob, phil and Pattick, because you got the whole Baxter and those guys, rodeo stars, Gimlin's whole boxing career, Roger all of Roger was a fascinating guy, the all to alvi attlee and possible mob money sponsoring all this, and there's so many there's so many angles you could take and we you know, we know, I mean, those guys were there. There's still a lot of people alive, I mean

Bottle still alive. And then there's tons of people alive that knew Roger really well. So I mean, it's not kind of like a canyon where none of us really knew any of the principles involved, you know, And I think I think that I think that'd be a great one. Also, I would like to offer a runner up option for a good story though it's a biography of Bobo. I think that would be fantastic because you know, your

story is so your life story. You know, when when we listen to a good Bobo story time, it's like, how could this possibly have happened? Pad life choices and concussions, a lot of concussions. To take those stories and lay them in the hands of professional storytellers from Hollywood, I think it could be fantastic. But whatever, I'm not going to watch it anyway, it's TV. I know you are. I'm not a fan of either.

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages, all right, What else regard Hello to the Bigfoot and Beyond team. Thank you Cliff, Bobo and Matt or Ready great podcast. I've got two questions that relate to the more disturbing behavior of big so from Native American legends. We've heard stories of Bigfoot coming down from the mortains and stealing women. Have there been any comparably modern reports that you've heard

of of such behavior. Second question relates to the behavior of Bigfoot around children. I've heard reports of Bigfoot appearing to children and seemingly beckoning them into the woods. Also, there are reports of Bigfoot steering into children's bedrooms from the windows. What are we to make of such behavior? Anyway, I looked forward to your thoughts. Thanks again from Aiden. We've talked about that so

many times. I mean I've talked about this with numerous numerous people, especially the Native Americans, and I mean traditionally, Yeah, they have snatched children, and especially in the northern areas like Alaska and other British Columbia Northwest territories, the Yukon territories up there, there's a much more long history of that. It seemed to be when there was really really bad like famine conditions for the animals, like after maybe consecutive harsh winners, and you know, like

a lot of die off and they're they're desperate, you know. And yeah, I heard a report a couple of years ago some other investigator had it, like the one of the last ones I heard that was for sure was a in the in the early forties, there were still Native Americans in the mountains of Nevada up in northern Nevada that had or central North Nevada had They were teepees, and there was the whole family saw this hairy arm reaching there

was a crying baby and reaching it was feeling for the baby, and someone hit it with a hatchet or something and the hand drew back and screamed. But it traditionally happened. But I mean, just in twenty twelve, we were in Alaska. I was with Matt and you were with Renee. We

split up in two teams and we were at the hotel in Fairbanks. We met two Indigenous police officers and these guys can they recognized they recognized us and started talking to us and we were and they were just saying like, yeah, they had just come back from the case of a toddler that was snatched by a squatch up outside of North Pole, not the North Pole like you know, Santa Claus. It's a city in Alaska, up above the Arctic

Circle. And it snatched the kid and people took off chasing it. It took off into the lake and was crossing the holding the kid, and the people from the village charged around the lake, and you know, everyone was on their CBS and walking, you know, radio saying, hey, there's kids snatched. There's a hairy man going through the going through the lake with the kid. And they got there, they're about to they're gonna intersect there. They're gonna probably cut it off. It was good. It was real

close, so they're gonna be able to cut it off or not. And the bigfoot reached the shore and just dropped the kid and sprint it up into the into the woods and took off and just left the kid there and then they let it take off. And then they were saying that there was another case of a missing kid, a toddler who got snatched by one, and uh, they never found anything. There's definitely cases. It seems to be almost always in the north. You know, the more north you go,

where their conditions are a lot Harsher. Yeah, I mean chimpanzees in Africa steal African kids from villages and eat them, you know, to this day. I mean, so it's it wouldn't be that, it wouldn't be that far fetched that what about stealing women. Yeah, well, I mean like we had Ameron on here like God like episode five or six or something way back one of the first twenty. He's a native at the Basket, Indiana up from the Yukon up by Ruby Galina area to look on the map,

and that his I talked to his grandma. Everyone in the village knew this story. In World War two, like forty two or forty three, they were down picking berries off, you know. They went up on a gravel bar and there was the berry bushes growing up there along the river bank, and they were picking and then all of a sudden, they just heard this scream. His grandma and another woman. They were teenage, late late teens,

mid to late teens. There was three of them and they heard when their one friends screaming, and they just heard boom boom, boom boom, like heavy heavy football is going across the gravel. And there was like fifteen sixteen inch print inch print tracks of this thing running like ten foot stride whatever takes off, you know, of the you know the woods and disappears with the with the girl. A year later, the South, the saus cultures, they think it was the same. They're positive it was the same one.

It was a lone rogue mail and it came their fish camp was getting the fish camps the big smokehouse that several families were using. You know, they had the smokehouse going and just before electricity or anything out there, and back then, like there really wasn't flashlights were a joke, you know, you didn't. They didn't really work very well at all. And they couldn't get batteries, so you know those old batteries and stuff for those things,

they burnt. You could burn through a battery pack, you know, two a night or something. So they didn't have They have to make torches if they wanted any light. So they their their fish house was getting raided. So they dug a deep pit in front of the smokehouse, covered it with

blankets and sprinkled like dirt and gravel over it and went to bed. Well in the in the middle of the night, they heard, you know, shrieking and it sounded like there was a wow, hairy man caught down in the in the because it's not like a woman being murdered, like screaming like a woman murdered. They you know, got they had torches ready. They lit the torches and came out and looking down and it was that girl that

had been kidnapped like I think nine or ten months earlier. And she was naked except for she had on scraps of animal hide and I guess she had you know, tried to. I guess the sound squads had given her deer you know, and she you know, tanned it and did is good, I guess. But she wasn't like, you know, a real expert at making the clothes. And she did just get well she could, so she had you know, not not like real nice. You watch a movie or

something, see a Native American dressed in buckskins. You know it's all kind of tailored, you know, sort of the fit some you know, it looks like regular clothes. But this this wasn't like that. It was like just you know, real like slapped together. And she they had to keep her in a cage for a year. She was like a wild animal for like a year and she finally out. She had severe PTS and she she'd make animal noises and make sasquatch sounds, and then they let her out and

she just was like a mute. She just almost never spoke. She would never say anything about what happened to her. I guess she'd get some simple nose or yeses or head nods, but she was just shell shocked the rest of her life. And she only died like she was alive. When I when I met Ameron, and I was like, anyone I can talk to her? Like, no, dude, she doesn't talk to anybody. You know, she's not going to talk to you. And but I spoke to his grandmother and she she was there. She told the story. So I

thought that was pretty interesting. Well, yeah, that's some pretty nutty stuff. Yeah, that's and I don't mean nutty like like totally can't happen. I'm just saying that's pretty crazy stuff, man. But I did get a call. This is a long time ago. And Tom Steinberg he also, I know he got He got the same call, and I think John Green did as well. I'm pretty sure. But they called. I don't know why they called me. I think it's just because I've been on Monster Quest

or something or no Outdoor Life now it was. It was wrapped to the olm with Moneymaker came out and when we did that Mysterious Encounter show, I got a call from a MOUNTI who was there inquiring They were looking into a disappearance of children of the age of I can't remember how old, but there had been like seven, eight nine. They suspected of this. They thought it was like a serial killer sasquatch in lower BC or lower to mid BC,

that was snatching children. And I remember the one thing he was talking about that just happened that they said that made them serious about when people were reported they thought it was a hairy man because it was dudent to I think mostly all Native kids. Maybe one or two that wasn't, but they were doing it to the indigenous communities. They assumed it was the same one because

they got footprints. They got really good footprints of it. When there were the toddlers, like kids like six and under, six seven and under, like several of them were playing in a really shallow part of the river were kind of like you know, like a side branch, and it was you know, nice smooth gravel only like four to eight inches deep, and they'd let the little kids play in there and stuff, and there was no adult looking directly over them, but they were very close by, like you know,

just right there, and they just heard fast running the kids scream and then like really scream, and then it snatched up a little boy and ran off. And it always took little boys. It never took the girls. Everyone. Every time it would be a boy, even if there was like a couple of girls, and like one boy, it would snatch the boy and run off. And they never found any of those kids. Is there any record of this stuff anywhere? Or is it just kind of ignored or

what would happened all? Then? Yeah? I think there was. I can't remember. I think it was freight just looked into it. I couldn't find much I remember for it back a long time ago, because I was like twenty, yeah, over twenty years ago. And then I always wondered, like was it some kind of like like prank, but like it never surfaced like it as a prank, and like it sounded like the guy sounded all official. I got called from him twice and one time I talked to

him for quite a long time. He just asked me, like, what did I know about bigfoots in their aggressive levels? And you know this and that and that. I said, well, you got these, you got the indigenous people that lived there telling you what's going on with them. I go, I don't know why my opinion would matter at all, and the slightest but I guess they just saw me on TV and called me. But

there's but then as far as them, yeah, there's dozens. I've heard dozens and dozens accounts of people saying when there were children, they remember them motioning them like han gesturing like motion them come out, come out, come out. And then there's that story that came out pretty You might know this one. The woman down in Georgia, I think it was, said she

used to it would come to the window and take her. It would actually reach it and take her out of her crib, and for several years she would be taken out and she'd they'd take her out into the woods and play with like one or two little toddler bigfoot. I think it was one other that I think there was just one toddler bigfoot. And she looked back on it, she thought that and she said she'd get in trouble because her pressures were like why do you smell? Like, what's this reeking odor on?

You're like, what's going on? And shed the parents come get her out of and you know, get her up in the morning, and she'd be all dirty and you know, twigs and leaves in her hair, and she just stinked like she got sprayed by a skunk or something or rolled with a bear, you know, and you know, just like just this god awful smell. Then she claims that the female bigfoot that would come take her out of out of her bedroom winter. This went on for several years, and

she said it took her to the took her to a cave. I don't know. I I'm not saying this as her like she's not crazy, but this is what I heard. The story was that it would take her out and that when they took her to a cave and there was other adult bigfoots there and they buried a baby bigfoot and the female was like moaning and like you know, kind of crying whatever, and held her like super tight,

like uncint like she's or she felt like almost in danger. It was hugging her so tight and like just clasping her to her And that was back in the sixties, and this she came out, She came out publicly in the eighties about what happened to her. There's a few other stories where kids say they have gone out and played with smaller bigfoots of an adult watching. So, I mean, I don't know, you know, it's it's like I definitely wouldn't. I would not. I'd be super careful my kids are around,

and that's for sure. I wouldn't. I wouldn't trusted with a young child. No. Yeah, I think that story was in Tom Powell's book The Locals. If I'm not mistaken that there's like a written, maybe first hand account from that claimant that was sent to Tom as a letter or an email or something, or maybe conducted for an interview. I'll have to look back and see stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will

be right back after these messages. It just seems like that's a sort of universal fear that is associated with the unknown as such, and so you can find beliefs. I mean, I found many references writing the book that tigers would abduct human women and children, and abduct human women for their quote unquote wives, and the same beliefs associated with bears, and the same beliefs associated

with gorillas. And then if you look at the category of various imagistic or symbolic or characteristic representations of what you could reasonably consider to be like variations of the archetypal wild man, fawns, satyrs, centaurs, etc. Those same beliefs are all associated with them. It's almost like a universal human cognitive disposition, like a universal human fear. And so it makes sense to me that of course people would have those same fears about other animals, and that they

would likely have them about sasquatches. And then, as you pointed out, I know Owen he had made a reference to chimpanzees absconding with human infants, and so it's not unprecedented in the ape world for such things to occur.

But you know, I think to the to the point of the question, like there are traditional representations or folkloric representations or beliefs that describe this as a characteristic of their behavior, but there really aren't that many modern accounts that you could associate with like specific names and places, like we've all heard those kind of stories, but it's not like we can produce those witnesses on demand,

so it makes it a little bit difficult. Of like, you know, we can name Albert Osman who made a claim about being abducted, but otherwise there's always stories about places and people, but yet like we don't have their names or we can't track those things down or any official records. And so well we have the little Boy. The little boy got kidnapped, like episode three or four or one or two whatever, one of our first episodes.

A little boy that disappeared in North Carolina, three nights below freezing sematars were on like sharks and a T shirt. It says a bear Man, Harry Bearman, held him and kept a Mormon night inside of a cave. And then you know that whole thing. O, there's that little kid that got rescued by the Coast Guard helopter thermal imagure and the biggest thing they ever saw in thermal The little boy down and took off back into the woods and he's

set up right in front of the searchers were heading towards. Put the little boy down and ran off. Yeah, it's tricky, I mean, the North Carolina kids said that he spent the night with a bear, so he didn't say bear man or anything of that nature. And then, you know what was interesting. I remember when we recorded that episode, I was looking at a lot of news articles and he kept saying things like or the family speaking on his behalf, or like, oh, all he keeps talking about

is how he wants to watch his favorite Netflix show. You know, now that he's home and safe, he wants to watch Netflix. And so when I pulled up like one of the most popular Netflix shows, like the number one kids show was something like Misha and the Bear, And so I was like, well, is it possible that there's some influence, like some media influence and storytelling or because I think it was the aunt who gave the quote to the media that like, oh, he said he spent the time with

a bear or something of that nature. So it's hard to say, but yeah, he didn't necessarily or even the family didn't necessarily categorize it as like a bear man or something like that. But it's an interesting case. And if you remember, we also covered I found an historic case supposedly of you know, a wild man. I think they called it like a nondescript, which is pretty funny but basically describing some ape like creature abducting children very close

by where that happened. So those stories do exist, but in terms of like the modern day, modern era, like can we find someone who's made such a claim? You know, it's specifically could we sit down that person versus you know, oh, well, such and such claim that they heard from such and such in this unnamed town that these sort of things occurred.

It's kind of like the claim Fred Bradshaw made that his dad told him that he saw a helicopter carrying you know, with a net hangar under it in the aftermath of Mount Saint Helens with a hairy arm and a hairy leg sticking out. You know, there's one claimant who claims that he heard that from

his father. No one interviewed his father. And then nowadays I see it all the time all over the Internet and the comment section and questions that we receive people saying things like, oh, well, you know, dozens or hundreds of people saw helicopters carting off sasquatch bodies from Mount Saint Helens, and it's like that's not you track down the origins of that story, and it's just a single claimant that we can identify who also made some other outlandish claims,

let's say. So that's where where I find difficulty, Like, it's certainly possible that any wild animal is opportunistic and would do whatever it needs to do to sustain itself, even if that means absconding with a human or you know, a young human of a more helpless human. But it's just hard to say like, oh, yes, well we can pin such a story on this named witness at this named location, on this named date, because those things seem to be pretty elusive. Yeah, I feel I'm embarrassed now.

I just did the ultimate, not ultimate, but a cardinal sin of bigfooting. I injected in bear Man, you know, like Simming's not can was in my head and it wasn't set at all. So that's how rumors get started. It is all good. Thank you for correcting me, Matt. They're lucky to have two people that you can correct frequently. All right, Well, we're kind of running out of time here, so and we

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