Ep. 251 - Angie From Ohio!

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Bobo Cliff checking out some fresh snowprints that just shut up yesterday. Hopefully it didn't get too snowed or rained on since then, but we'll find out when he gets back. And I'm looking forward to the update. But this week we got a great guest, so I was aware of it, didn't really dig into her stuff till just recently, and I'm very impressed. She's a great researcher. I mean she's put out more data than ninety nine point nine percent of people. And uh yeah, So her name she goes by snow

White on snow at Bigfoot, on Facebook and YouTube. She has her own channel. It's highly recommend checking it out. But her name is Angie. So I want to say welcome to Angie. Hello, Bobo, Thanks for having me on. Yeah, you're from uh So you live in the hot spot of Ohio. Yes, yeah, we're less than an hour away from Saltfork. That's an hour from Saltware. You sent me your address. I was looking on Google Earth and I couldn't figure out at first. I was

like, what's bringing them? Like, why are they going there so much? Like, like, you know, what would bring young ones up there? Seems like you have you know, adolescents or even infant ones up there. I mean, so you obviously feel very comfortable on your property for them to be returning it, because I'm convinced you have big foot. Started listening to the sounds and your fate, your fingerprinted German origins you photographed, and

it's just really impressive. Well thank you. Yeah, so you became away. You became aware of the squatches in twenty fifteen, But did you just move there or did you live there for a while? Well, actually I became aware that they were here before that, but that in twenty fifteen October was when the interaction started. So my husband, Jim has lived here about

thirty years now. I married him in two thousand and seven and we got married December fifteenth, so I've been interested in Bigfoot previously before that, but I hadn't like started looking into it a lot. Then after I married Jim, he bought me a camera and I was really into photography. So when spring came, I couldn't wait to get out and explore the woods because I've always had a love for nature too. So I go down in our woods to look around and take pictures and just explore. And we have a pond

on the west side. Well, we have a pond on both sides of the property, but I was on the west side that particular day, and I was taking pictures of a duck that was down there, and the duck started walking down into the woods below the pond, so I followed it taking pictures and I came across this weird looking structure thing, which now I know it was a Bigfoot structure, but at that time, I was like, what the heck is that? That's weird. So I took a picture I

would just because it was weird. And then I came back home and I showed the picture to my son Bo and he said, that kind of looks like one of them things Bigfoot makes, and I was like, hmm, So I looked it up on the internet and I found similar looking structures, and I was like, yeah, I think it is. And then I started talking in the gym about it. And then he started remembering things that happened to him and his boys all the years, you know, before I

met them. So that kind of got everything started at that point. What kind of things stood up to them in the past, Like when they looked back at the said, because I know when they figured out like, oh, there's big foot here, they looked back and go, oh, that must have explained all kinds of stuff. Was it like Knox or house. What were they experience that they realized later on it was a bigfoot. Well, the boys they used to run around, you know, all over the

property and they would go like down to the pond. They said they were down at the one on the east side, just playing at the pond, and they had like rocks getting like tossed. I don't know if it was at them or in the water, but you know, they had that happen. And also they were down in the field just below our house here at the bottom and they both saw something like it kind of looked like a bear

beside a tree, but then it stood up and walked away. So they came back up to the house and got their dad and told him what was going on. They were all scared, and he knew something had happened because how scared they were, and he went back down there, but he didn't

see anything. Also, I think there was a time when they were having a bonfire and they had family over and they were tossing the ball football and I think Jim passed it to Tony and it landed like it was at night, of course, and it landed behind him, towards the barn, and so he had to go get it. And when he came back and he said to his dad, I'm not getting the ball because there's some guy in a fur coat crouched down over there, and I'm not getting the ball.

So Jim went and got the ball, but it was gone. So there were things like that happened some settings. Yeah, yeah, and I'm sure they heard things. I know your son's hunt. Did his son's hunt as well on the property before you got there, Yes, they did. They didn't have any issues with that, like in tree stands or anything. They didn't mention that, now my son has gone down into the woods. Even after, like I started having interactions and he like one time he went down

and he had a firearm on his side. He was just going mushroom hunting, but he was heading down towards the pond and he got growled at from behind him, and he continued down below the pond, messed around, started coming back up, and then he was getting rocks thrown, like coming through the trees, some pretty good sized rocks. So he gets back up to the house. He says, Mom, I'm not going down and there's woods by myself anymore. But he was pretty freaked out. But they, yeah,

they've had things like that happened. I don't call any incidents with them hunting. How often to have they been aggressive to the people on your property, like as far as like even just growling or you know, like threatening sounds or they seem like you mostly have a pretty non antagonistic relationship. Is that the case that, yes, that's the case there. Personally, I

haven't had. I can only think of like one or two times that I felt really uncomfortable, and one time was it was during a time that we were having a lot going on here. I believe it was all in the same week that my husband and his son were sitting in the living room. It was summer, the windows were open, and they heard this got awful like roar hol thing like a t rex or something in the field, and coyotes took off, and so that was, like, I think, one

of his most memorable vocalizations that he's heard. So that happened. And then a couple days later, my daughter came and woke me up at about one o'clock in the morning and she said, Mom, there's something going on out in the woods behind like her window opened towards the section of woods where this was all happening. She said, there sounds like there's something huge just crashing

through the woods, and it sounds like there's a monkey being strangled. So I go to her room and I listened at the window, and nothing happened. It was over. So I finally got in there. It was just done. So the next day I get up and I think, I'm going to go back there and look around and see if I can see anything, any evidence of what was going on. And I went to that area.

I kind of looked around. I didn't see any anything, So I just continued down the path and I ended up going because it was a real nice day. So I thought, I'll just you know, go down to the pond, take some pictures whatever. So I'm down at the pond kind of

just crouched down taking some pictures and stuff. And from up on the hill where all that commotion happened the night before, I hear a tree get pushed over, just you know, crack crack, crack crash, and I just kind of frozing, like your stomach turns, you know, and I thought I better get out of here because I just felt like they were saying, Hey, you shouldn't be down here right now. Yeah, that's interesting.

And you know, I can't figure out, looking on the Google alert, like why they would be going up there, Like I'm trying to stick where

they'd be going from one place another. I know, there's that large body of water near you that you know, there's obviously some kind of attracting I would imagine, but there's a couple of more, you know that it's eas they're trying to go to, like those larger bodies the water, Like you're you're not in the in the line of those like it seems like they have to take a like kind of like it just just I can't see why they

want to be going up to your property. Have you figured out like is there are you a half Like are you on a travel route that makes sense? Like I could be going to like another like woodland area like or you know, some parkland or anything like that. I think that they're here a

good percentage of the time. One thing I've observed over the seven eight years that I've been documenting everything is that they'll, like the activity will quit and it'll be a law for like five to seven days on average, and I can almost like count on them being back between that five and seven days. So I think that they travel like in a circuit, which I have reasons for thinking that too from what I've observed over time. I'm still, you

know, trying to figure out what the whole circuit would be. I was just talking to Jim about that the other day, but I know that's included. Yeah, I was if I if I ever get like a spot where I can you know, have a habituation site, go And I always thought it'd be cool to put up like like easels or something like go out there. And I mean, I guess it was summertime you can just put up

sheets of paper on like the easel and leave out like some markers. They'll probably steal all the markers and stuff, but leave out like some finger paints. And just if you went out there, like you know, in the eating before dark or whenever, when you know they're around, just went out there and painted and you know, just smeared stuff on there, and then you know, just left that out there all the time, like somewhere that

it's not You're not trying to film it. It's not in the eyesight of the you know, where you guys are the house or anything, so we're like private where they feel comfortable. If you just went in there all the time and painted, left the fingerprints there, I'll bet you would get great uh you know, fingerprints all over the place. And then also just to like see what they their their mind is when they paint, because i mean,

I'm you've all seen like elephants and chimpanzees and gorillas paint. It's like it's they can actually paint some really cool stuff. I'd love to see some sasquatch hard Well, I got something. Let me go back to a little bit before I talk about that. I did put out a drawing pad, and the first fingerprint that I got was them touching this that I had drawn a smiley face with the red crayon, and I left the crayon there and they came up and they were touching it, and there was like little handprint

and fingerprints. You could see dermal ridges and stuff. So that was the first time. And another time I put a drawing pad out and I put like four different colored crayons. I lined them up nice and orderly, like they like it, yeah, And I drew like I took the crayon and drew a line to show what the color was, you know, and that did you right with it? And I left him out, and so go out the next day and they took the blue crayon, which they seem to

have a thing for blue, and it was broken in half. But so one of them had tried, I think, to write with it because there were some marks on the paper, but it broke. So something else I haven't mentioned either is I have like dolls that I made that represent them, and then I have some that represent us, like that I bought like a

girl and a guy and everything. But I have like there was a baby bigfoot and on up for size, and they took the little the little smallest baby bigfoot and they put it on the tablet like he's the one that broke you. He's the one that broke your crayon. So yeah, there was

that. There was that time, and then another time. I got a coloring book and there was a picture of a big crayon, so I colored that and kind of blue, and I scribbled on a little bit and I left that out and they picked up the crayon and they did make some marks on the paper. So I still got both of those things. About a year ago, Jim and I was nice out, so we were sitting on the back porch and there were we started in the winter before that spring or

whatever it was, Jim started feeding birds. So we were watching a lot of the birds, and there was a nuthatch if you know what they are, But they're really funny to watch because their head kind of like climb down a tree head down, would go up and down and look really funny. So we were sitting there talking about how cute that bird was and everything. So the next day I get up and right in front of the swing where

we were sitting on the porch. There was this finger drawing, like their fingers were muddy or something, and there was a drawing of a bird on the porch. So obviously they had been observing us talk about the bird and admiring it and everything, and made us a bird picture. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. Well, I didn't see that photo of that, you know what I did see a photo of a I mean, a drawing of a bird.

I guess that's I didn't realize what it was. I was just kind of scanning through your page, you know, like looking at different things. And now I gotta go back and look at that. Now, No, that's a Bigfoot drawing. I mean, God, I gotta go look at that again. It is so artistic. It is. I mean, it's like you can see their finger are just flowing, you know, and they made a head and a beak and there was an eye, little feet, tail,

feathers. It was amazing. You know. When I first looked at it, I was looking at it sideways and I'm like, what the heck is that? And then I kind of went to you know, I turned and went so I was looking at a face on it was like, oh my god, that's a bird and it's that's one of the most incredible things that's happened. Just lose my mind. Yeah, I just I'm just surprised that no one finds things like that more often, you know, like I don't know, I don't know know that says they found big foot art.

Besides you, you mentioned that you said you were down by. You were hiking with your husband at one of those lakes and you both saw one, yes, And we walked really far back into the woods and we were kind of up on a hill and we were hearing things running around as like all around us. We could hear walking and running and we were hearing vocalizations, so we would move, they would move. But we were both looking down over the hill and we both at the same time saw something duck behind a

tree. So and that was like where the walking and running was coming from. So, yeah, that was a really exciting day. And I think I think it was that same night or the same Yeah, it was getting dark, so we left. We got down to the road and we heard the best I think it was a hol and my recorder was on but it didn't pick it up, but I was so disappointed. But oh it was awesome. So what did you see when you when you saw, can you describe what you saw in detail more? It was just like a black flash.

It was so fast. People talk about how fast. I've never seen one. I've seen him walk and i've heard them run. I know I know that, I know they can be fast, but when people see it, they just they say they can't really put it into words, how fast they move. Mm hmm. The first time, I think I actually got my well, my first glimpse, I was I was heading out the back of the house and Jim went out the front for some reason and we were I don't know what we were doing, but he headed out the front.

I headed out the back, and when I stepped into the garage, we have a landing there and there's a window where you can see the porch, the railing and a side yard, and I just saw this black blur run towards the there's a locust grove like behind our house running back there. It was just it was a blur. But I think we startled it. I think they were out there doing something and I came and Jim was coming like, ah, like faster than it, faster than a horse or faster than

a deer. It was just a blur, that's what people say. I mean, it's it's hard to it's hard to picture it. I saw some video from Australia that this guy claims was a sasquatch running by so fast, and then other people say, well, it looks like a bird flying through, but I can't really tell what it is, but it's so fast,

thing like it has to be a bird. But then I asked the other people that I said, look at this that i've seen that I've seen him run, and say, does does this seem like that way you saw could have gone that fast? And they said yeah, And I was like, oh my god, because I think it was a blur in the video. Yeah. I was taking a walk through the woods down on what we call

Creepy Valley because it's so creepy down there. The family just kind of nicknamed it that before any of this was even a thing, this big foot stuff. But I was taking a walk down through there, recording behind me with my phone, and when I reviewed it later, I saw something jump from one tree to another and it ended up being a juvenile. Then it was it was so fast that I missed it several times. But whenever you see

it then you couldn't une see it. You know, everybody I would show it to, they'd be like, what the hell, what the hell is that because they jump back and see what the hell was that? Because it was so it was just crazy fast. But then when I slowed it down and went frame by frame and everything, I could see a little head and

eyes and arms, and it was crazy. It was really poor quality because I was using a crappy old cell phone, so not the best, not the best footage, but it was that you can you can see a little body, there's one still. It was really good, see a little head and eyes and its arm is like reaching out and its other arm is like across its chest, just before it starts to jump. Is that the color? You guys usually see jet black? Like that. I've had the kids

have seen what they think was a gray one. A second hit. Jim's youngest son and my daughter who's the youngest, they both saw a gray one. Was that a bigger one? I think the one that Mason saw down in the woods he was going through creepy valley and he was getting to this one like really sharp turn, and he set off in the woods. There he saw one swaying back and forth. It must have been a bigger one.

It had its back to him, and he said he just he saw it, and he acted like he didn't see it, and he just kept walking. But that one was gray. And my daughter and her cousin, she was spending the night. Actually my son was out there too. He was out there first, and I think he was smoking or something outside because

we don't allow that in the house. But he said that he was here in commotion going on along the fence line that goes down towards the woods, and a possum came walking up out of there with the chunk out of its back like something. He said, it sounded like someone was trying to eat it. It was screaming, and then it came up out of there with the chunk out of its back. So he goes and tells my daughter and her cousin their cousin to come out, you know, check out what's going

on. And they took a spotlight and were looking down in the field and they saw something great. They said it was too big to be like a coyote or anything and running too fast, just do that kind of blur thing running across the field. And the next day, the two girls and I went down in there to look around, and there were footprints all over the place down there. How big were the prince? How big of the prince you usually find? I know, you found some tiny tiny and then like,

what's the what do you usually find? Well, I didn't have a measure. I didn't even take pictures that day. I was so upset. I think I thought it was going to range, so I didn't want to take my phone. But when we came up out of the woods to the gate, like from where that possum was coming from and he heard all that commotion, there was a footprint right there, you see toes and everything. So I didn't even get a picture of that. But I didn't measure them.

But they looked, you know, good sized. They're probably fourteen to sixteen I would say, oh big, yeah, So the biggest print that I've seen in our yard was eighteen and a half inches. I found that because I was I go out and look around all the time, and there was a fresh break in one of our trees at the edge of the yard about ten feet up, so I was checking that out. I came back up towards the house and that's when I saw the I think there were two

eighteen and a half inch prints leading away from that break. Well, how high up was the break? It was at least ten feet. Wow. It's the craziest thing is people will report seemed like a six foot one or something or six and a half foot one, and then find like sixteen inch tracks, and other people say it was nine foot ten foot tall, and then we find like twelve or thirteen inch tracks. It's like, I mean, it just goes to people's estimations are off a lot of the times.

But I know you guys have an adolescence, then even an infant wanted it would appear. But one thing I was going to say was that the as far as I can tell, it seems like they're born black and then lighting up or do whatever color chains are going to do when they get older. It seems like to me, well, time will tell. But that's one thing I've it seems like been pretty consistent. Yeah, I've found hair samples, and the two that I'm the most excited about are they were black like

a curly coarse texture like like clumps. I did find some others that was gray, but that's one thing. I I'm working with Legend Meat Science too, and having like my handprints and some of my samples forensically looked at.

So I'm excited to see the results of that. Yeah, and talking about press, this is what this is what's brought you to my attention is that you've done the best job of documenting drumal rich patterns on handprints left on all over your property, your porch or barbecue, your cars, windows, house. I mean, these guys, these guys are touching everything, and you've

done a great job of documenting it. Thank you. Yeah, I just I get so excited whenever I find I knew, especially if it's on glass, like on the car, because then I can, like I said, I was into photography, and I've got some really good cameras, like professional lenses ones, a macro lens that's got hybrid stabilization so you can get a

really sharp picture close up. So I use those to document the prints if they're really good like that, And like if it's on glass and you shoot, you know, with the light behind it, it looks almost like a three D picture of their arm or their hand or whatever. It's just so cool. Yeah, because Cliff's working with one of the top germinal rejects for

some law enforcement in the country and he's really interested in seeing him. And I sent Cliff a couple of your videos, especially that one where you it's only like eight minutes I think the eight minute one where you have the baby the baby footprint and what time of year was that, because that thing would have been close to being a newborn. You want to give us the whole rundown on that. I mean, like because it seems like it was being

carried and whatnot. Cold. You just give us that whole runnown. I was one of the day because that might give us some insight on when they're being born, you know, or we don't know how wise Okay. It was on August twenty seventh to twenty twenty one when I found and there was, as I was mentioning, before they come in our garage a lot and

this was probably the too. This was the third time that they left really excellent prints on our car windows, and before that they had left a really good print the first one on the door that goes from the garage out to the back porch. It was on the inside of the glass. But it seems like see that was in March, and every time I have to go out and take these pictures in the garage, it's usually like really hot, I'm not there, sweating, dripping, was sweat till I'm done. So

it does seem to be like July and August. We also had a really large handprint. Maybe I'll talk about that later. But what happened with the really great ones in August twenty twenty one was I just I went out there and I saw what looked like another palm print on the back window passenger side or now I'm sorry, back window driver's side, and so I started taking the pictures of it. And as I go around the car, then on the front window, on the driver's side, I found two more like prints.

I didn't know what they were. I thought it was another palm print. What it actually was was like the infant's shoulder leaned up against the window and if you go then like later, I went around the other side of the car and on the back window passenger side was this beautiful whole arm like from the elbow up to the fingers. It's like just looking at one of their arms, and so that's that, and I think they were in the

garage. It took something that at that time too, but I think there was like either the mom or a sibling carrying that, maybe because they were prints. Oh, the other one on the fo I remember now was a bent arm that leaned against the window. So there was the shoulder and a bent arm. There was also a bent arm on the body of the car. And the first one that I found that I thought was a palm print,

actually turned out to be the bottom of a foot. There's just a little tiny infant foot with the toe curled over, and the detail is just amazing. I've never seen I don't think I've ever seen a picture of details of the bottom of one of their feet. And there was like some really strange looking spots on that foot too that I don't know what it is. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

back after these messages. And you did a great job with the arm, the bent elbow and all that, comparing it to a baby chimpanzee being carried and the like, where the skins kind of you know, more prominent and less hair, and I mean you lined up almost exactly with what you have. It was its actually a gorilla. I looked at chimpanzees and gorillas, but the gorilla matched almost exactly. And like with the foot, I was trying to find comparisons for the foot, and when I looked at chimpanzees or

gorillas, it didn't really match. So I had to kind of go to a baby, a human baby infant foot, and that looked more like it. Yeah, that's not just say just because you said it was two and a half inches about was that what you said there? Three? Yeah, I could probably tell you exactly if I can look it up here, but I believe it was about two and a half So that almost I mean,

I could be totally wrong. It could just be a runch or something, but that just sounds almost too small to be a sasquatch when they're born there, you know from what I hear from people that have, you know, been around them, like you know, newborns and stuff, like, they're quite a bit larger than human babies. Well, actually it wasn't. That was the size. It's like, wasn't the whole foot and the curled toad, Like you said, look at the curled toad like that's also, like,

you know, an attribute of human and not sasquatch. So it's just kind of but how how would the kids flick it on your car? You know? It's yeah, that's not possible. Besides, all the other prints looked like a gorilla or you know, gorilla like, so I'm sure that that was from an infant. Oh yeah, but it's just I can't wait for that the uh, you know, the General Ridge expert, the law enforcement guy Cliff runs with. I can't wait to see what he has to

say about about these pictures you took. Yeah, me too. What's the biggest handprint you found on your property? It was on our trash can, which we keep well we don't have it now, but we used to keep it between the garage and the front porch. Yeah, well that's the one. It's the big hand like it it looks like it slid sideways and down like you find the exact same one somewhere else, like on a barbecue, right, Is that that's what you're talking about? Yeah, they are,

like they get this. The tips always look kind of like swirled to the side. Or something. You know. I don't know if it's movement or if it's how they lay their fingers down or what. But this was. I measured it, and it was eleven inches from the tip of the finger down to where I think, like the poem rested. It was like wrapped around the trash can, like from the top over the lid, and the thumb came and excuse me, down further. So I measured the best I

couldn't. It was about eleven inches big, yeah, and the fingers were at least an inch thick, you know. Yeah. I was listening to some of those stuff that you recorded out there, and I really liked the It's you know, it's funny because you know you name you name, like different sound files whatever, and it's so hard, Like whenever I'm trying to

like classify or quantify big Foot vocalizations almost always at a loss. It's like and there's the obvious roars and shrieks and screams, but like you have Indian war cry with owl return. I thought those were really good. Yes, that was That's one of my favorite ones that they've done. I just I just love that and they're so clear, and some of them are so close that it just picked up great, but they'd be like they do the awl mimic, like I said, And I've recorded them morphing from either the owl

into that war cry or the rice versa. Yeah, well it was a war cry and then another individual did a fake owl return call right, yes, yeah, like back and forth. You've recorded that a few different times, not just that one night. You've recorded the war cry with the owl return right, yes. Yes. Do you have any idea what that means? Or is it like, is one closer likely? Is the war cry

closer in the owls further away? Or is there any kind of Sometimes I like the I think the war cry was a little bit closer than the owl that time. But yeah, it seems like they're communicating if they're hunting. Yeah. At first I was listening to I think it was, uh, you had impatient owl. I think it was impatient owl was the title. I think that's what it was. But I listening to the first one, I was like, oh, man, these are all owls. Maybe I

don't know. But then I got to five, six, seven, eight, eleven, twelve, thirteen, and fifteen, and the last one they had like a few of number sixteen, the last one of those, those to me were awesome, Like to me, those were clearly sasquatched not owls. Yeah, because like sometimes they'll do the owl and they'll mess up. Yeah, I was listening. I was I was laughing because you always think of them being like these like super beings, and it's like, no,

those things are they mess up just like anything else. Yeah, it was hilarious when they do yeah, like who goofy like that. It's like, oh, then you have the you have the the dog one, I thought. I thought, to me, that sounded just like a dog. But then you had the wooz. I had two, three, and six written down as being really good. Then you had the singing ones and you can I mean that was really hard to be out. It seemed pretty distant, but it really reminded me of the ones that Dave Ellis, you know,

kind of put out there from the Olympic Project in Washington State. But I could make up what you had titled singing out very well. But there was a few that came through. I could hear pretty good when I put on the good headphones, and it was Greg and Donna's out in the Olympic Peninsula that Dave Ellis had worked with, and he put out some of their We had it on the show actually, and it's that same sing songing voice.

I mean, it's obviously the same species, you know, right. Yeah, And actually I just talked to Dave Ellis on the phone, probably a couple of weeks ago about Doug high Check introduced us and we talked and that was one of the things he wanted to hear. So he said he can clean up a lot of my files, which would be great because I'm not, you know, an expert on an audio. I just put together package. That's funny. I was just putting the other package for Dave of your

stuff. Oh really good good. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't talked with him since, but Doug giving my phone number and I think we're going to communicate by email. So I don't know what he's listened to or anything yet. But that was one of the things he mentioned. And there was also a vocal where my husband was sitting on the front porch. I was inside, and this really like a mournful moaning how started down in the wood. It was probably it sounded like a female and it was it was incredible.

It was one of the most incredible vocalizations we've heard. And well I didn't hear it at the time, but I got it on the quarter. But Jim got a little excited and got up to come and get me to go hear it. So the door opens and stuff. But oh also I was going, man like, it's the best one, and all of a sudden, like there was too much emotion and emotion. Dave said he can probably take care of that, so oh great, Yeah, I would love for him to clean that up, because, oh my goodness, it sounded like

it was in pain or something. It was really upset. And it wasn't real long after that. I think it was a few months. We think that the Mama Bigfoot died. Well, like I told you about the dolls earlier that I put out, and they use those to communicate, like they'll move them, do certain things with them, like they'll watch us do something and they'll mimic it with the like you call that role play, Yeah,

they'll role play. And so I go out one day I had them all lined up on the railing, you know, like from the big Daddy the Mama and then going down in size, and it was turned face down, and I never They've never done that before. And there was like a series of events happened, like I think I left it the way it was, and I didn't do anything, like I didn't take the doll in or anything, and they had they put it on the ground, and so I just

kind of was working with them. I believe it was face down. Yeah, And this went on for like a month or more, like things happening with that doll, because like I'd move it and they would move it somewhere else, like maybe saying that she didn't belong there anymore. But one at one point they took an oak leaf and laid it on our tables on the

back porch. Actually I had a little sign, a wooden sign laying there, and I had the doll was laying on that for some reason, and they brought an oak leaf and put it under the Mama doll and you know what's that supposed to mean? And then I don't know, a day or so later, they brought a little like rectangular, flat looking rock and laid it beside her head with you know, on that leaf. It was it looked like some kind of a memorial. I don't know, if they were

trying to tell me where she was where she died. It got something to do with an oak tree or you know, I don't know, but the whole thing made us think that she had died, and after that time things changed. So you know what's really interesting is that a year ago Jim's mom died whenever she died that same day, she died at like ten o'clock in

the morning, no ten o'clock at night. And then the next morning I go out walking around the house and there's really weird mourning dove sound going on, and it just it didn't sound exactly like a normal dove, but I was like, you know, it's gotta be but it was really weird. And then I found the dolls they took. They took the I took the mama doll that died. I took that one inside, but there was another

like girl, and I put it in the mama's place. So they took that one and they moved it off of the bench where I kept it. It was way over, probably four or five feet from the bench, and it looked like it looked like they had thrown a fit or something. Because the food basket that I leave hanging from the garage. Spouting was ripped down and broken. The Mama doll was, like I said, moved over and

stuff. So I thought, hmm, you know, it seems like maybe they're telling us they're upset because his mom died, but you know, you're not sure percent. Anyways, the next day, after the first day when they moved the doll, I went out there and they did it again. They took the mom a doll, but this time it was like specifically moved. I had them lined up on the bench and they took they picked it up and moved it right beside the bench exactly as it was laying on the

bench, but just laying on the ground. And they also had knocked over a couple of things that were leaning up against the garage, like decorations, that same day. So I really feel like they were telling us that they kind of knew what was going on about his mom dying. Wow, Yeah, that's amazing you can get that. I mean, you start to get a feel for these things, I guess after a while years and years of dealing with them, you start to kind of see the patterns, and then

when there's something out of the ordinary, it really stands out. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. I was going to ask you, do you have a DNA possible DNA collection kit? I mean, not the kid. Do you have a collection of things that you suspect to have DNA from a sasquatch on them? Do you have like multiple things? Yes, that's one of the things

that's getting forensically looked at. I've collected some samples their hands where they left a handprint, that thick residue that they leave. Yeah, I've collected that a couple of times. How long you have you noticed that it lasts a really long time? The lot, well, let me see it wasn't the very last one one of the January of twenty twenty three. They we kept hearing pounding out by Jim's work van, and Jim's like, what are they doing hitting my van? I was like, well, I don't know,

sounded like it. So he went to work and he's the van was dirty and he saw one particular smudge on it that wouldn't come off. He pressure watched it. So I went out and was looking around and I saw it and I was like, what the heck is that? And at first I

thought it was another palm print. After I took pictures and edited and looked at it, I could see that it was the back of a hand like they they must have been messing around, you know, being ornery or whatever, and just smacked the back of his van with the back of its hand, and you can see hairs coming out of the hair follicles on the back of the hand. And I also like, I did a comparison with the gorilla hand and it looks almost exactly like you can see, like this a

knuckle. There's like some coarse, callous type thing around the knuckle. It's all documented in a video. But if they're walking clause repeatedly, then their knuckles would have to be thick callous. Yeah, yeah, And anyways, the point I was getting at was heat pressure or watched that and it's still had that much detail in it that I could I could see hair follicles or

hairs coming out of the follicles. I wonder, I wonder if that's like, is that like like a film layer like that they have on there to protect them from the cold, Like I don't I just don't see like the evolutionary benefit to having leaving this like thick like seb them whatever. Yeah, that's one theory that Doug Hicheck kind of has that it's uh something that possibly is protection for their skin. I guess I think there's something that makes something

it could be. I think I don't know. I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense to me. Yeah, and it's obviously thicker, you know, like when ever I find a print like that, A lot of times I will try to I'll take my hand to see what kind of a print I would leave, just make sure it wasn't me or you know, something like that, And it doesn't even come close to the thickness or

the detail or anything that's that the Sasquatch hand leaves. Yeah, a lot of people that tell me that they get freaked out and they start being on their house and said, I don't think it's an intimidation thing. Most I think it's they want interaction of some sort of is what it seems like. I'm talking to people like you over the years, do you get that sense. Yes, it's like they kind of want to interact, but they don't

want to do it directly. They do it indirectly through like through objects, And that's one thing that has worked for me is to use those dolls and objects and they move the objects around and communicate like they crave that interaction. But they have that in born thing where they just have to stay hidden ultra

hardwired. Yeah, So getting past that barrier of having to stay hidden is like where I My goal is to get them to trust me enough and for our interactions and relationship to develop enough for they'll actually interact with me directly. That's where I would like to end up at some point. I don't know if it will ever happen, but I keep trying. What's been like your favorite experience? Oh, there's been a lot. Well, actually, it was one year to the day that the interactions started. I went out.

I was working at the time, so it was mourning. Actually, I don't know if I don't think I was working that day, but I went out checked the porch and they left a gift. It was a bounce evall, like one of those kind you get a gumball machine, really colorful.

So when I went to pick it up, I heard a wo come from the woods where my daughter heard the commotion that one time and the monkey being strangled that section of woods, I heard a wo come from back there was like a real soft wu and so that really excited me because you know, it's like, oh wow, that's not the first time that they've wooed, like when I went out to get something. But anyways, I thought that's

really great. I picked the ball up. I walked around the yard to section like that's nearest the woods, but still in our yard, and I started talking to him and I said, this is this is beautiful. I love it. I kind of held it up to my heart like, you know, like I love it. This is great. And they wooed at

me again in the same tone. It was this real soft woo. And so I kept talking and I said to stuff again, and they did it again, and I was like, oh my god, I think I just talked to a bigfoot Like he was he was glad that you acknowledged that he knew the gifts was from Like he was glad that you acknowledged that that that ball gift was from him. Yeah, And I don't know if they were

like waiting around to see me find it. You know, you know how you like to give somebody a gift and you want to watch them open. Yeah. So it was like, yeah, it was just so special. I mean, to be able to have that verbal, actual verbal back and forth, you know. So that was one of my favorites. You can have a softer tone. I think one thing that really put you on the map was you might've been the first person to record a bigfoot fart. Yep,

yeah, there's she has on her YouTube page. There's one that's mart something. It's a long tile like something. Something walked up, messed around, farted, messed around, and left. I think it's the title. Yeah, well I think on big foot farts. I'm serious. I think that's what. Yeah, you have it up there a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah. There's like a long version where you can hear walking up, messing around, and then there's the short because people are like, I

just want to hear the fart, you know. Yeah. I listened to the long version. It's interesting and it made me think that's a that's a lady like fart that sounds like a female bigfoot. Yeah. Actually I think that. I was just talking to Jim about this when it first started. The interactions like sometimes I would find right in front of the railing where they were standing and messing with stuff. I would find prints and there was like a thirteen and a half inch there a lot and in the yard, and

then along with it was a like a nine inch. So I think I just kind of had a feeling was like the mom and a kid that was coming up. So I'm wondering if the first interactions I had a lot was maybe with a female, possibly the mom. Yeah, it kind of seems like like just how male the most of it's been sounds. It sounds like, yeah, it sounds like you're dealing with a mom with some young ones.

And there's that whole speculation like are these big ranging males that have multiple females in like their territory, are they monogamous or you know whatever I mean, But it seems like that there's females with young without a male around at least part of the time. Yeah. And one thing that Jim and I we kind of have a theory on it is because like whenever we thought the mama died and things changed after that, like it's like it got quiet.

They wouldn't vocalize as much. You know. It seemed like maybe when she died there was a replacement for her possibly, and it made us wonder if the matriarch is the one that maybe makes the rules, like Okay, you're gonna have to be quiet, don't be so loud, don't make so many vocalizations, and then the alpha male is maybe like the enforcer of the rules.

There's a couple of recordings and then there's eyewitnesses. There's that famous famous one on episode five to one five on Sasquatch Chronicles on West's show, you had Claire from England and the things starting up like you know, like freaking out, like the samurai chatter kind of, and the female got between him and the and the woman Claire, and like chest I said, like stopped. There was the one. We us had another great one on there a

woman in Tennessee. She had a big male sasquatch approaching her in a full moon and she said it was going to kill her, like it was just like just yeah, like enraged, like furious, and the female got in between and stopped him. And then that's what we expect that it's happening on the Sierra. Sounds that Ron moorehead requarterback in the seventies. It sounds like that the male is chastising a young one and then the female gets in between

him and is telling the male to look back off. You know, they don't go off on this, the young the young one. Yeah, that just it makes sense, doesn't it. Yeah? Was there anything else? I know? Well, you could go on for two weeks. I mean, is there any main thing that I skipped or he wanted to say? Oh? Boy, I don't know. Just there's exciting things coming up with legend meat science too. I did an interview for like two days. He

sent his crew here and we did an interview. And I'm working on a book where it's like whenever I first started documenting, then, like like I said, at first it was just pictures. Then I started thinking I got to write to stuff down, so I started making a written diary. I kept that for a couple of years, and then I started the channel, the YouTube channel when I started doing videos. So I'm doing the book going

clear back to like my childhood and how everything started for me. And I'm going through the tentative title of it is getting to Know Bigfoot, and I'm just kind of going through what I've experienced and what I've learned. But from the point of view that I have now looking back on it, so I can kind of put everything together. How do you put an ending on it? You've got stuff happening continuously. How do you wrap it up? That's what my husband is saying, how are you going to end this thing?

And I'm like, well, it's like I've learned so much, but there's so much more to learn. So it's like you can get to know them, but I'll have to continue. It'll it's still learning process and I will continue getting to know them, you know. So Yeah, and I want to. I got a lot of catching up to do on your channel, and you're making a huge contribution to the subject. I'm very impressed. Well, thank you very much. It's been a lot of work, but it's

worth it. Yeah. Yeah, obviously you're putting a lot of time and effort into this and we appreciate it a lot. So thank you for coming on and good luck with the future research. Thank you, Thank you for having me on. I really enjoyed it. Okay, folks, that was Angie from snow It Bigfoot. Check out our YouTube. I'm sure you're going to check it out now, you got to. It's great she's got a Facebook page I'm following also, so check her stuff out. And we got

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