Big Food and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and raid it. I'm stay shot and me range just on yesterday and listening, oh watching limb always keep its watching. And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay Cliff, what's happening Man? Just same old, same old, same old, same old. Yeah, what is the day in the life of Bobo? Good question, Thank you. Tomorrow, gonna go meet my buddy up there in Fieldbrook where that sighting was.
He's back in town. We're gonna go up there and look and see what we can finally spend like three weeks now. But it's just been dumping rain and like heavy winds and like it's gonna be pretty messed up and it's not the best substraight for getting Prince. We'll see what we can fine, right right, Well, you know, Dana, life for Cliff as I wake up at seven thirty or eight and get ready for work, come to
work, work all day, do a podcast. At the end of the day, get home at seven or eight, hang out, have dinner, go to bed. But great things are happening. I mean we're getting ready for the Sportsman Show. Yeah, we're gonna have a booth there. Can you imagine all the stories we're gonna get and all the heckling too. Oh yeah, it should be a lot of fun. I'm trying to get all
my comebacks ready. Sixty thousand people go through the doors over those you know, four days of the show or five days of the show Wednesday through Sunday at the I don't even know where it is, the Portland you know, convention Center, Expo or whatever it's called. Downtown. There should be a lot of fun though, bringing a bunch of exhibits in. We're bringing a bunch of footprint casts, obviously, and I ran off two hundred and fifty
report forms. I don't know how many people are going to share their reports with us, but I bet it's going to be quite a few. Who knows what other kind of stuff's going to come our way, possibly a collection or two, like, oh, my dad was really into big Foot. He had a newspaper clippings, you know, something like that. That's what I'm hoping for. And of course, you know, we'll sell some stuff.
I guess at the end of the day, it'd be kind of like a Bigfoot convention, I guess, with having some stuff out in front of me and making some money for the shop. But really the goal of this is to get people into the museum, you know. So we'll bring in like two or three thousand flyers to hand out, and we've never done this before, so it's going to be an interesting experiment. My worst fear is that maybe we sell everything like by Thursday, and then Friday, Saturday,
Sunday we don't have anything. I don't know that could happen. It could happen. Yeah, I just feel like I'm going into this like ill equipped. I'm a little nervous about it, to be honest with you, right, but I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be a lot of fun, of course, meeting a lot of good people and hearing tons of stories, I imagine, And really when it's over, I get a few
weeks of not having any other outside obligations except for the museum. So looking forward to that, because you know what, apple trees need pruning at this point, like, there's a lot of stuff on the property I need to deal with, and Bigfoot has been getting in the way, as it often does. Squashes don't just snap the branches off for you when they're picking apples.
I'm hoping, but you know, at this point, no, no, If I could have a troop of sasquatches coming through and actually break all the branches on top of the apple trees and cut it down to size every year, I would be thrilled, be happy to give them all the apples they want, like they can't take it anyway though, you know, right, but anyway, doing a fun podcast right now, because it is the Q and A episode and Bigfoot and Beyond right now, which is the one
I look forward to the most every single month. Yeah, I love it because it gives a chance to interact with our audience, and we love, we love ourselves a good audience, and you know we have a great one. And all these questions that will be answering will be from you, our listeners. You are submitting them. You are either writing them in or you're actually submitting voicemails so you can hear your own melodious voice. I said, melodius, not malodorous, by the way, voice on the air talking to
us. So yeah, I love these episodes and it's kind of fun to hear the voice of the people who are listening. Yeah, let's do it all right, Prouve, what do you got for us, hay Cliff, Hey Boobo. My name is Adam and I'm from Staffords Are, England. Let us have one quick question. When witness use report that the footprints just seem to have ended and there was no sign of the sasquatch, do you think they just don't look up and think about the possibility of them climbing trees
or enging a body of water. Do you think that could explain a lot of the paranormal side that people report of Sasquatch. Yeah, I'll probably explain almost all of it, but but not every single case, because I've talked a few that have followed them on beaches and it just ends and there's nothing like within fifty feet there's been There's not a lot of cases like that. I mean almost all them are just I think people just there. I think
they can jump. They could. I mean people have seen them broad jump just from standing on two feet and just without taking a step, jump like twenty two, twenty three, twenty four feet. They can, you know, just like the top humans can do like eleven feet or something like that. So I mean, they can at least twice as far as we can
from a standstill, and they can. I've heard enough stories of them jumping up into trees, and I'm sure that it counts for some, but some of me like it's perplexing, like the way some of those disappeared for like, you know, professional trackers and stuff. But I think it's just that they're really really good at not leaving prince and covering their escape routs and such. Yeah, I think the vast majority of those cases, it's a human
thing. Like the people just aren't good trackers, you know, because I've tracked Sasquatches a fair number of times, and I'm not don't. I don't pretend to be a good tracker by any stretch of the imagination. I'm I'm a hobbyist. I enjoy it, but I'm not great at it by any means, and I lose their trails all the time. I mean, just thinking back to the last week when I was tracking that one up by Welch's
in Oregon. Here, I would find three or four prints in a row, maybe two or three prints in a row, and then I'd lose it for ten or twenty yards or more and then pick it up and get maybe one or maybe two or three more, and then I'd lose it again. Then there came a point where I could not backtrack it or track it further
from where I found it. Then that's just completely lost it. And you know, and if I have to look at that situation, I think it's the lazy way out to say, oh, it just disappeared, or it flew in the sky, or it went through a portal, it demateialized. That's lazy thinking. I think that in my opinion. I know it sounds really harsh, but I don't care. I think it is. I think such a judgment deserves a little bit of harsh criticism. In that case,
the fact is that I'm not a good enough tracker to track it. You know, these things live in places that are not easy to follow. Trailing is a fact. And yeah, they might be going in trees, but where I lost the trail for these there were no trees to go up into, you know, I mean, reasonably speaking, I guess they could have jumped fifteen feet to his side and on this alder tree and grabbed onto it and jumped from tree to tree to tree to tree, you know, which,
of course, brings to mind the idea of the splinter cat. If you know what the splinter cat is, if you don't check it out, I think it's a SaaS watch legend personally. But fact is, I just lost a trail. You know, humans are extraordinarily fallible, and tracking is an art, and it's very easy to lose the trail of these things,
especially since sasquatches have large, soft, padded feet. I've said it kind of a lot lately, but these, the John Green books and all these other books, like the early books, have skewed our perception of what footprints look like in the ground. They are not deep and unambiguous and clear.
Hardly ever, they're barely ever like that. Most of them are very subtle, where you see leaf litter shoved out of the way, or you see some ferns or grass pressed into the ground, you know, and there's these subtle, subtle, subtle signs as Oh, but the sasquatches are so heavy they would be no, no, no, no, forget all that. Get rid of all that stuff in your head. Don't take those presumptions to
bed with you like they just leave those aside. Start with a blank slate and then learn about what is actually there instead of what you think should be there. So I'm gonna says it's human fault. Humans are not generally good trackers, and the beach thing, I don't know. I also don't believe a lot of people when they say, oh, just went in the middle
of nowhere and disappeared, and therefore the Bigfoots are paranormal. All right, Well, I'm already going to doubt your judgment because you're thinking that in snow people say, oh, what about tracks that go in the middle of the snow and then disappear. Well, Bob Strain told me once that he tracked a sasquatch in the snow and the trackway appeared to disappear. If you can
appear to disappear, that seems like a funny thing to say. But and he looked more closely, and it turns out the sasquatch walked out in the same footprints that it left coming in. I was just gonna say that, yeah, hear that pretty calm like I've heard some really good trackers talk about how the bigfoots back tracked themselves, like stepping in their own footprints. Other
animals do that as well. Other animals do that same behavior as well, and you know what humans do that humans do that it's easier, it takes less effort. So I'm going to go human error is what I'm going to say with this, and sure that they probably go in trees too. I
think they take advantage of a three dimensional environment. You know, where humans very often thinking two dimensions, they be taking an advantage of fourth and fifth dimensions, Cliff, because you're thinking only in three dimensions, I am, in fact thinking only in three dimensions unless you count time as the fourth. But do they zap through portals and disappear? Absolutely not? Probably not,
absolutely not. To me, it always seemed like that sort of theme about tracks ending in the snow or whatever the case may be, is one of those things that is mythologized, like, oh, I've heard about X, Y, and Z, Like I've never met anyone who's observed that, or has photographed it, or has in any way documented it. That was their experience. And I've never met anyone directly, or spoken to anyone directly who
claims who have seen that. It's just one of those things that gets repeated like, oh, well, what do you think about tracks that disappear in the snow, as if it's taken for granted that that actually occurs. And so it seems to me like one of the many myths associated with sasquatchry rather than something that people actually observe. You know, I was with High Check. I was with High Check the Mouth of the clot we're filming that mysterious
encounters. And we met a biologist guy had a masters in biology who in the Queen Charlotte Queen Charlotte Islands off Canada, saw one walking at the beach and he said, it's just blinked out and went down. He said they
had massive seventeen inch tracks, did great depth into the sand. And Douga was right there when we talked to the guy, and he was We talked to him for like a god almost an hour, and it was he didn't say anything else nutty, And I think didn't Doug those ones at Slay Lake, the first ones he saw he was flying the up in the Arctic. Didn't those just disappear too? I'm going to say I don't know what Doug said, but I would say, no, they didn't do that, because
sasquatches don't do that. Bears don't do that. Humans don't do that, elk don't do that. Sasquatch don't do that. There's no reason to think they would. I don't think it's the most likely option, but I'll keep it all the things on the table, Cliff, I don't it's pretty a stretch thick and they can blink out, Yeah, I think that's a stretch man. What if I said, like, hey, you know I live
in the woods. You've been to my house, Bobs. If I heard rummaging outside, you know, on trash night, and I stuck my head out the window. I saw a bear going through my trash, can you know? Which is entirely possible where I live. And I yelled, hey, bear, get out of here, and then the bear opened up a porthole and disappeared into another dimension. Like what would you think of what about someone who said that devolving? I don't think that's like the most likely thing,
but I'll keep it all options open. Now, both the thing is you you suffer under the same disadvantage that I do, Okay, is that we're both honest people, and we and therefore we assume everybody else is honest and scrupulous and also good observers. We assume everybody is kind of like us, Like I know that whatever I say is my truth. You know, I maybe incorrect about some things, but I'm going to tell the truth,
and everybody else is the same way. And not everybody's like that. And I think that honest people like myself and you, I know you very well, and that you're not a liar. We assume everybody's telling us the truth. But there's another thing we assume is that they're accurate. And I don't think people are accurate as often as we give them credit for. You know,
people are just rife with misconceptions and cultural filters. These see things through everybody, and I just think a lot of that blurs the vision of what actually happened. You know. Yeah, I recant my position. I'm not trying to talk you down, Bobs. I'm really not. I'm just saying that I think it's a mistake to put so much faith in the words that come out of people's heads because of the error that it could very well be there and they're not. I'm not saying they're lying. Some people are lying,
but I'm not saying most. I don't think most people are lying. I think most people are telling the version of truth that they see, but it's so filtered and colored by their own perception and cultural filters and everything like that, that you got to take everybody's word, even my own, with a grain of salt, and in some cases you need a whole salt lick. Yeah, it's not in your nature to comply bolo. Yeah, it's like, I just think there's something, there's something, there's something more to
the squats than just a large prime of it. It just doesn't make sensory that there's not some kind of cover like big cover up, or there's not some special ability they have why we don't have even a body. I think all the answers that you seek you might find in The Phenomenal Sasquatch by Matt Pood available now at Amazon dot com or the American Big Foot Center. I've
heard of those arguments. It still doesn't sit wealthy that of all the human history that you know, all the unless there's you know, there's government cover ups and at all kinds of different levels around the world, like how we just haven't got a body. Just it's just there's something, there's something weird about them. Yeah, Well, Bob does. I mean, I think more than anyone else on the show. I think you represent the beyond in Bigfoot and Beyond, and we all love you for it. We all love
you for it. But I'm going to give you some pushback. Oh yeah, I deserve it. No, I'm saying like, yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't think they're like chumping through portals all the time and stuff like that, but forever. It's just there's just so much weirdness out there, you know. It's like, I mean, I don't it doesn't seem likely, but they're probably not. Well. I love you for your openness, Bobs. Oh yeah, yes, it's one of the reasons I
love you. Of course, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages. I want to see if this UFO thing does tie and if there's so like grand unification of the high strangeness and weird you know, like the orbs and the the tic tac you know, video stuff and the UAP phenomena, and I just wonder like there is there some link to all that, like the paranormal Well I'm into that actually, people, I think our listeners might be very very surprised to hear me say something like that that I love this idea that I see a
lot of the paranormal folks. I think John Tenny is one of them that has done this. I have great respect for John. I love the guy as a person, and I love that he's having so much fun with all these different weird subjects. I think Tom Powell is another good example of someone who's into all sorts of various weird things. But and this idea of like the grand unification theory of paranormal I love that in a way because yeah,
why not. And I've noticed that a lot of these these paranormal folks are starting to refer to the thing as the phenomenon, like that's what they're calling you now, they're trying to tie it all. I think Greg and Dana are doing that now. Imber right, grega data Newkirk, and I just
love that idea. But I see absolutely no reason to tie sasquatches in with any of that whatsoever, Because the sasquatches that I am acquainted with, that I have smelled and seen and tracked and heard and all that other stuff don't seem to exhibit any weird phenomenon at all, and they seem to do everything that all the other animals do. So I just have no reason at all
to think that there's anything weird going on. Although that I've said it before on the podcasters, that does not exclude the idea that whatever the phenomenon is is happy to fool you into thinking that sasquatches are part of it. I know we've talked about this, and I've talked about it ad infinitum ad nauseum
rather on other podcasts. But if you're looking at statistics, you know, going by the numbers, these things that happen in wild environments, whether it's orbs or lights in the sky or apparition experiences, if you want to associate it with something hair covered, some mammal, it's like, well, then why don't we assume that orbs are associated with possums or raccoons or deer or bear or elk or moose, because those animals all occur much You're you're naming
out things that are completely There's millions of bodies have been found, there's millions of hours of foot footage of them, There's there's there's more bigness than there are snow leopards. You know, we got well, once we started constantly on snow leers, we got you know, we got a lot more Like there was no footage twenty five years ago. Now there's a bunch of footage. Yeah, but I'm just saying, if you know, very often people argue, well, you know, orbs happen in forested areas, and sasquat
sightings happen in forested areas. I get what you're saying that. Yeah, yeah, I'll just say they they could be. I mean, they they might be. You know, I don't think we're going to find out anytime soon, if at all, in our lifetime, but it just makes you want I just wanted, like, just doesn't simply that if they were, just if they're I mean, species of humans couldn't. I mean, I know they're more adapted, buties a human couldn't stay hidden this long, you
know what I mean. Well, hidden's relative though, because if we look at claimants, if some significant percentage of those claims are true, then they're seen semi frequently, especially if you look at you know, North America from a bird's eye view of the entire continent. Over the last let's say, two hundred and fifty years. Then they're seen very frequently to some degree. And so there is that paradox if like they're everywhere and they're nowhere, they're
seen very rarely, but yet they're seen often. And so you know, those paradoxes I think are worth paying attention to. But on the other hand, like I do think that there are reasonable explanations that we haven't collected a specimen yet, or that someone hasn't spontaneously discovered the remains of a naturally deceased individual yet, et cetera. But I get it, you know, those are I wrestle with those things too all the time. I just think like
the more likely explanation would be that it is something psychological. Before I would say, like they're just being picked up by UFO's UAPs. Tom Green said, to explain one unknown with another gets us nowhere. No, I don't think we should focus on I'm not going to look into it. Like it's just yeah, looking at the big Foot and if that stuff comes out, great, but if not, like we'll get a naster one way or the
other. Well. See, that's another thing too that I keep going back on you know, I understand that some people have had strange things occur to them in the woods, and they associate those strange things with sasquatches, and in their minds, sasquatches are responsible for what they perceive, right, you know, But if I'm going to be generous enough to say, okay, I recognize that that there's some truth in that that you've experienced weird things,
You've seen some weird stuff, and you're big footing, and do you think bigfoots are responsible? I think the least anybody can do is reciprocate that and say, Okay, I've been doing this for thirty years. I've never once had anything weird like that happened to me in the woods, and I've been around sasquatches a fair amount. I think it's fair to say so, I
don't know, I don't know. I'll recognize that other people have had weird stuff going on, but you got to you got to give it back and say, yeah, I've never had anything weird like that happened in the woods when I've been out there and sasquatches were around. Never once. Yeah, man, hey man, I'd love it, you know, I love the weird I think you know me, well, I love weird stuff. I would love to have weird stuff like that happened to me. It just doesn't.
It just doesn't, man. And I put myself in that position hundreds and hundreds of times, and it's just nothing there for me. You know, some guys get all the luck because it shocked an idiot when you say, like it could be you know, like those people are going like what a sucker, you know, And then there's a fewople going now that kind
of knows what he's talking about. But that's the very small minority. I just think the biggest risk is that like when once you open the door to the unknown, not that the unknown should always be off the table, but then once you do open the door of the unknown, where does it end? Like why can't I invoke any unknown explanation that I want to again, like add infinitum until I have, you know, a satisfactory answer. And so of course, like we take these other unknown phenomena like you know,
lights in the sky or something like that. But you could say to me, it would have the same validity as is saying like, oh, well they're you know, projections of the human mind, Like what do they call those tulpas thought. For I mean, you could go on and on and on with a zillion different explanations rather than saying, well, can we make this work within what's known? The realm of the known? Basically build an explanatory model within the narrowest sets of constraints possible. And I think we can
do that with the biological sasquatch. And so to me, that's the danger of opening the door of the unknown. It's like, well, where does it end? It never ends. You just create a void that can be filled with the near plausible completely through to the ridiculous or the preposterous, and they're all equally valid or invalid. You know what I mean, right right, I don't see anything to explain, you know, everything I've personally observed,
because remember what I said earlier. Let's get rid of all the preconceived notions, let's get rid of all the quote unquote givens in the bigfoot world and just question them for a little while. You know, I don't see anything to explain from my own personal experience. I just see animal behavior. I see that these are some sort of species of ape and by the way, humans, I put humans in the same category. So they're a human like in some ways, but not a lot of ways. Are they a
human like? They're not very inhuman Mostly I see nothing to explain that's out of the ordinary, and therefore I've got you know, why would I explain something that isn't there for me to explain? You know. One of the things that I've positive in the book, it's certainly not novel to me. I mean it's been positive many times, is that magical or mystical things thinking
is a normative human cognitive disposition. And so if you were to look at let's say, behaviors, for example, on a spectrum from environmentally stable meaning that these behaviors are present in populations across the world versus environmentally labile, meaning that they're influenced by the environment. So you could frame that as like nature versus nurture, or natural versus cultural, et cetera, you do find that
mystical or magical thinking is an environmentally stable disposition. And so once you have that as your framework, that we see the world through a mystical or magical lens normatively, then to me, that's the explanation for the experience of high strangeness or at least the interpretation of various phenomena as being connected to high strangeness or supernatural phenomena worldwide, but yet not having like a direct one to one
relationship with objective reality. And so both of those things can be mutually true, they're not necessarily mutually exclusive. And so to me, that's the most likely explanation for the preponderance of quote unquote high strangeness as it applies to natural phenomena and where it happens. Oh yeah, I'm not denying the existence of experiences of high strangeness, and I would love to experience it. I never have, but I would certainly like to. Yeah, you know, it
reminds me of what Krantz wrote in his book Krantz. I think I don't remember exactly what he was talking about at the time, but it was something to do with people claiming pretty wacky things about bigfoot and then and I guess somebody might have proposed to Krantz like, well, the bigfoots are probably just hiding that behavior from you, And he said, well, then why can't
we assume that about wolves as well? Like wolves have greater intelligence than any human being in the high civilization and they're just hiding that from us as well, and it kind of gets us nowhere once again. But the real danger, in my opinion, the real danger of paranormal thinking around sasquatches, is that it drives away the very people that we want to be involved in the subject. It drives away the scientists and the academics, thus putting acceptance of
the species further and further away. And if they are in danger in any way at all, if they are slowly dying away and going extinct, then then actually that frame of mind, that paranormal frame of mind literally is doing
damage to the population of sasquatches. Now. I don't know if it is most likely the paranormal thinking about sasquatches does no damage to the actual animals themselves, but if it is, if they are in any sort of danger whatsoever their populations, and we are driving away scientists by purporting that they go through, by suggesting that they go through portals and all that sort of stuff, well then it's doing real damage to an actual animal. And I think that's
that's criminal, you know, that's that's a shame that it's terrible. I'll
not suggesting they do. You know what, I find really funny, and I was meant to bring this up in a different discussion with you guys, is that one of the things I I see so frequently about that I see so frequently like within the current culture of sasquatchery is the constant, like often repeated scapegoating of people that are biologically grounded by the more paranormally minded is saying, like, well, you're saying they're just apes because you're a shill.
You're a shill for the establishment. You know the truth, but you're trying to hide it. That's you. Hear that all the time. I see
comment sections all the time. And the funny thing is, if you read Krantz, Krantz took the same sort of position, albeit tongue in cheek, about and I'm pretty sure he was referring to John Eric Beckeard when he said in his book something along the lines of like, I often wonder if these paranormal proponents are shills for the logging industry, and they're being paid to get out in public and make wild, preposterous claims about the sasquatch so that no
one will take it seriously. So I think it's funny that You've had like big talking heads on both sides of that coin accusing the other of being paid chill. You know, like this whole scapegoating. It's pretty hilarious. Yeah. Tom Powell actually almost accused I guess or suggested heavily to Eric beck Sjord himself directly to him on the phone that like, hey, Eric, like who's paying you for this? You know, like who are you actually working
for? And he goes, oh, well, I think Eric said something to the effect that we should get Tom back on the show, by the way, because Tom's gonna have another book out real soon, so when he's ready to put that on the shelves for people to purchase, we'll have Tom back on. We'll ask him directly about this too, if I can remember it, but I think he asked beck Seord something the effect of who's paying
this? Well, I've got funder, but it's not the government. And then Tom goes, do you really think that the CIA or some government agency would put their names on the checks that you're receiving, so you know who's paying you? And then I guess that shut her up for a while,
So just shut him up. Yeah, yeah, but because you know, Tom's really into conspiracies and all sorts of wacky stuff, and I'd love the guy, of course, so i'd love to How great would it be to be a fly on the wall in a conversation between Tom Powell and Eric beckjord Oh yeah, yeah, I love me some Tom Powell. So yeah, he'll learn you, Adam from the UK, see what you started, man,
for it's got a lot of editing to do on this one. Cut all that stuff out for no people really you know, a lot of listeners right in and say like I really love the conversations where you guys are just
having authentic conversation that it's like we're sitting around a campfire with you. So I think all that stuff is great because it is a genuine conversation, and it also just goes to show that, you know, those differences of opinion, that's where all the interesting stuff happens, because you know, the three of us agree on ninety nine point you know, nine percent of the sasquatch phenomenon. So the really interesting stuff comes from those little bits of like I
don't know about that, what about this? You know? And I think it's very useful, very productive. I mean it's just kind of like with like the whole like the pyramid mysteries, Like how how they do these giant blocks like that's you know, and cut and fit these you know, like tens of thousands of years ago. You know. It's just there's these weird things that to fire knowledge. You know, that we don't understand. The
reason we're all here is because we're fascinated by mysteries. And you know, every one of those mysteries is an opportunity for learning, for growth, for discovery, et cetera. And so you know, I'm fascinated by those things too, just none of them griped me like the sasquatch does. And so I tend to be a sasquatch maximalist, you know, because somebody had written in the other day about oh, have you read this or have you read that? And they were, you know, similar mysteries, but not in
that field. I was like, no, you know, they seem kind of surprised that I don't follow other mysteries, and I'm like sorry, you know, I'm not mysteriously promiscuous, you know, I just stick to one mystery that's been enough. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. I don't see how anybody has time for anything but Bigfoot. I mean, I don't even have time to print my apple tree, so I mean to dig deeply into anything else.
I just don't see how anybody could have time for a thorough learning experience in any of these other phenomenon. Maybe it's just the depth that I've found myself going to. You know, with the bigfoot thing, it's hard to say, well, you go into the whole origin of species, like where you know all the all the harmined lines and harmited lines. But that's because of bigfoot. I'm learning about human ancestors because of sasquatches. I think that
we might we might find a sasquatch somewhere down there. You know, paranthropies, for example, are basically little bigfoots, and you know, to learn if you want to learn about grizzly bears, I think it might serve someone to learn about black bears. Right, and since we have examples of essentially what you know for all practical purposes are bigfoots, you know, about five four or five feet tall, I might as well learn about those because I
bet you. In fact, I think I think it's fair to say that I've learned a lot about sasquatches, or at least a the worst of like Ian Tattersall that I mentioned on the last episode and his work on ostrolopithes scenes have certainly influenced my thinking about sasquatches and helped me formulate perhaps a model for them in my own mind. It just makes sense. But I see that as the same the same subject. Really, you know, human ancestors,
but apes, it's all bigfoot to me. Yeah. That's the beauty of having an intense interest in a subject, even if it seems really discreet and separate from everything, is that it's like the eye of a needle, you know, And the closer you get to it, you know, the more closely you scrutinize it, You eventually get close enough where you see the rest of the world through the eye of the needle, you know what I mean.
And this subject, or any subject, is no different where if you really want to understand it, you find yourself digging into so many other disciplines that are relevant in so many other ways that you know, you sort of develop a real familiarity with a whole host of things trying to answer just one simple question. Well, it's another great thing about the bigfoot subject. It is multi disciplinary. You know, almost almost no matter what you're interested in,
you can apply it or use Bigfoot through it. You know, geology for example, if you love geology, or weather for that matter. My wife's really in the weather. So you can use those those topics, those those subjects, and you can apply them to the Bigfoot thing at various levels somehow, you know. I think that's one of the things that drew me to the subject so strongly, because after I was an elementary school teacher, which is, you know, I'm not great at anything, but I'm pretty
good at most things. It's kind of like the description of what an elementary
school teacher is, because you teach all the subjects to the students. And I think that that's one of the things that really made Bigfoot so appealing to me as a subject, because I like a lot of different things, and it turns out that those various subjects are you can apply to the big Foot phenomenon somehow and try to dig a little deeper and you know, kind of enter that subject from that particular angle so yeah, there's that's that's what I
was saying when you said, you're you're so busy with Digfoot, But I mean like you're looking at things like you know, the how the biology and the physical characteristics of the eye, like how the eye works, and you know, like all like you know, all that kind of stuff like DNA and photography, like in the geometry you know of figuring out the size of subjects in film, and when you broad like Bigfoot out like research that way,
it's you'll never you'll never have time for all of it. And unfortunately, I never be an expert in any of it. I'll never be good enough at any one of those things to uh, you know, to make a huge difference. But I'm more of a generalist, I guess. But that is the beauty of it is like the more the more you're interested you are, the deeper the interest, the more things you make contact with.
And you know, I've heard it described like you know, you have this kind of territory of what you understand, and as that territory grows, of course the boundary is growing, and so you're coming into contact with more of what you don't understand. So the more you know, the larger that boundary is touching the unknown, and it's just more and more opportunities to learn,
which is really a fantastic thing. I mean, it's everyone should have a calling of similar nature, you know, that drives them to constantly learn and constantly grow. And I'm just a you know, I'm grateful that we all have that, because you know, I've definitely met plenty of people who, whether they believe in the subject or not, have said to me directly, friends, like I wish there was something in my life that I was as
interested in as you are the sasquatch. And it's kind of sad to hear from people, you know that they not everyone has found that, saw. I tell them, if you're as smart and good look as me, you would be here here. So I here's a question, I guess I don't know. This might be a question more for Matt than Bobo, but I'd
like Bobo's perspective as well. Obviously, if sasquatches turn out to be a truly paranormal species, they can phase in and out and do the predator sort of thing, and you know they turn invisible or travel through portals and read your mind, then all that kind of stuff. Would you still be interested
in them? Oh? Absolutely, because my interest is involuntary. I mean, if I could choose what to be interested in, I probably would have chosen to be, like deeply interested in accounting or engineering or something that was a hell of a lot more lucrative and certainly be more boring. But you know, it's not like choosing to devote yourself to the sasquatch phenomenon makes for you know the fewest amount of headaches and heartaches and frustrations and things of that
nature. So I consider it an involuntary compulsion, that sort of deep interest. And so I think even if it did turn out to be something like that, if my interests were rooted strictly within the biological then I could have just aimed it at bears. Or you know, there's analogs like the Eastern cougar. You know, a lot of people claim to see them in the
East. They've purportedly survived in places where the state or federal government says they've been extirpated, And so I could just as easily be pursuing that, or I've Bill Woodpeckers. Absolutely, there's a whole host of things that are almost perfect analogues, but for some reason, like I'm just not compelled to go do that. Of course, if I saw a cougar, you know,
it'd be amazing and fascinating. But so, you know, I think even if I discovered that the fundamental nature of the phenomenon, like even if it were discovered that no, actually it is some function of the human psyche, some element of the human mind, I would still be like, Okay, well, then why hasn't happened to me? Like why I haven't I seen one? What am I doing wrong that I've not triggered this in my own mind where I can have the experience that others claim to have. So I'd
still be pursuing that experience at the very least. So no, I don't think it would change for me. I don't think I could say the same. Yeah, I think if these were just animals, I would be much less interested in them, in the same way that I'm not really interested in ghosts. You would you still be interested in them, Yeah, to some degree, but I don't think I would. It would hold it for me
like it does. You know. You know, we've all seen a lot of people that have either started out with a paranormal interpretation or have you know, lean into that very often as an explanation for their own lack of contact, because it would be a sort of convenient scapegoat. And I understand that,
like believe me. I mean, the one of the arguments I make in the book over and over is like, you know, it's really been the failure of proponents to deliver substantive proof rather than to lay the blame at the feet of the quote unquote establishment for you know, denying the existence or rejecting the evidence offered thus far. And I look at that as an opportunity. It's like, Okay, well we can do better, and we can
try harder, and we can apply ourselves more. But you know, for a lot of people, I think it's easier to go, oh, well, I've never seen one because they can become invisible, or because they can read my thoughts and they know before I leave my house that I'm looking for them, and so they're going to hide from me. And it's like that's a convenience scapegoat. You know. I prefer to just take the blame on myself and say, well, I'm apparently not doing it right. But at
the same time. You know, I think we might not be doing it right because you know, sometimes people will say like, oh, yeah, well, what proof do you think you have? And I'm like, I have as much proof for the existence of the Sasquatch as everyone else, which is absolutely zero. You know, we have evidence, and that evidence is subjective and it requires a lot of familiarity with relevant disciplines to interpret that evidence. But in terms of absolute, definitive proof, no one has that yet.
And so I would look at that and go, well, I should be doing better rather than saying, well, the Sasquatch is eluding me via mystical means, you know what I mean, like a true suit a shill, a shill going to cash my fed check. Now, I think I've been accused of being a government shill before you have. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have. I don't pay much attention to the outside world, but uh, things leak back to me, and I'm pretty sure I've been accused
of that. You both have. I've seen multiple comments that finding Bigfoot is part of a government disinformation campaign. Well, I'll say this, man, if I'm on the government payroll, their benefit package sucks. You know, no medical at all no retirements. I haven't seen a check in ever. Yeah, so whatever that's worth. Well, that's one question down. We'll at least get through the voicemails here, all right, let's go. Let's let's get to the next one. Then see what you did to us,
Adam, Thank you for that, but you almost broke us up. You almost broke a part of family. Hello, Cliff from Bobo, This is Kevin from Cincinnati. Just let you guys know, pay a compliment. You guys rock. You help my third shift go a lot faster when the podcast is on. I got a serious, not so serious question. People are always leaving apples and peanut butter and stuff for Bigfoot. I was wondering if anybody's ever tried luring them in with bananas. I've never heard about it.
Cliff, please correct me if I'm wrong. My wife loves correct me. Anyway, if anybody's actually tried bananas, thank you so much for everything you guys do and research and keeping us all updated on it. So keep a squatchy and thank you very much. People have said that they that they had to leave one half peeled, and when they did that, then the Bigfoot started taking them. Well they knew how to eat it properly, I guess, is what I've heard a couple of different people say over the years.
You know, I don't know a lot of people that have been very successful with gifting at all. I certainly the sasquatches have been I've been told sasquatches are stealing apples and stuff. But the Pacific Northwest apples are kind of everywhere. You know, there's even abandoned apple orchards in the woods if you know where to look. Sometimes they grow here. You know, they've grown here for two hundred years or more. You know, I don't think they're native
to the area, but certainly the early pioneers brought them out. I think apples are native to Asias somewhere, if I remember right. But still they've kind of developed a taste. And bananas don't live here. They don't even they don't even grow here really effectively for the most part, because they like the tropical climates, so they probably wouldn't be very familiar with them. And the same sort of way, they're not very familiar with citrus. You know,
most citrus trees don't do well up here in the Pacific Northwest. But I don't know. Maybe there's places like down outside of Bakersfield and whatnot where there's huge orange groves at the foot of like the Current River. I'm sure that those things get rated sometimes by sasquatches, but it might just be a
lack of familiarity. But I personally have never not once ever been successful with baiting or delivered or gifting or any of that stuff with sasquatches, even when I knew they were there and I left stuff out, like at the water spot when you were there, Bobo left stuff out for him, and they didn't want it. They didn't want anything to do with it. So I don't know. I'm a little perplexed by all that. I know. Tom Shay's had some success. He was having some success with peanut butter, and
at least he believes that that's what it was. The sasquatch was responsible. He would put peanut butter jars out attached to trees with duct tape and then screw the lid on. Actually it never even took the lid off, including the safety seal, and he would get those things, you know, taken from him off the tree, and that eventually led to the Natella casts if you're familiar with that where he didn't have peanut butter one time, so we
left out natella and got some big finger marks in the natella. And I always joke saying that clearly it had to be a sasquatch and not a human because any human would have eaten all the natella. But yeah, I've never had any luck with any of that. But have you directly either one of you guys had luck with baiting or you know, gifting or whatever you want to call it, leaving food out for these things. Yeah, I did
with that time with Lighterman when we were camping up by Bluff. We were in a campground up there, and the thing it ran through the camp I mean, it ran right down behind us, I mean and didn't even break stride and swooped up like ten apples without without breaking strata. It was insane.
Yeah, I remember Lighterman talking about that. That was that was pretty interesting, just like like here are the foots go, the footsteps run by, and then you know it scooping up an entire thing of apples and one presumably one hand, I don't know, maybe both, who knows, I don't know, but it was that was crazy, And then I've had them. I'm sure leave me is God, that's been well like ten years ago. That's what I was just talking about. Where I was out where you
know, where the we had the recorders out. We got the Knox after we left like a half hour later. That's I was on that same trail ten years ago, and I was, I was going up there a lot. I did my calls, and I was leaving out dried mango and uh papaya all the time. And I went out that day and this German guy was living at my house. He was a wait He was waiting for the PCT trail to though out, which didn't happen that you're, until like August
because the records records snow year that year for that whatever. So it was he had nowhere to stay. So he used to work for me around the house. He did some like construction jobs and stuff whatever, but he wanted to go out. He got really into the big foot thing hanging out, being like we went up there and poked around, you know, you cres
me some places. And he read a bunch of books at my house and I said, all right, I'll take you to the spot and then you got to go off trail and you've got to hike out and spend a couple of days out there, and you'll be fine, you know, but you know you might get scared, but it's cool. And so we go walking down there and we I did some calls at the trail head and we walked
in. We had to walk like a mile and a half, two miles, and as we're going in, just right there, about two unity yards in was this fresh killed rabbit laid out across the trail, like in perfect like it didn't just die of a heart attack, like something laid it out. It was totally fresh and warm. And I got no riga mortis at all. I was like, well, that's a trip and monkey knows like
freaking out on it. And then so we walked in and we I showed him a hike up here, go that that ridge and drop down to that next little valley and hang out there for a couple of days and you know,
trying to knocks and stuff and whoops it after it gets dark. And as I came back, I did some whoops of them there, like you know, and then we turned around and started walking out, and you know, like just right up the trail from there was another rabbit the exact same position, laid out the exact same, exactly, the exact same like.
It was a different rabbit. It was way bigger, and it was it was laid out just across the trail, both its legs, you know, the legs feet touching together like it was you know, presented, it was presented. It was totally warm, fresh broke neck. I was like, oh, they gifted me that time and then the time I was with my dad, they gifted they. I've been gifted more than I think that I know. If they've taken gifts from me, I'll say that stay tuned for
more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. But bananas, I don't see why not. I think the key with the banana thing, and this is something that Tom Shay has done with some of those peanut butter jars, the ones that he took the safety seal off, is that he put his own finger than the peanut butter and rubbed it on the outside of the jar to get the smell out there. So I think that that would be the key with bananas because you know, bananas
are delicious. You may have noticed. I think if they could smell that, then they would go, oh yeah, these smell delicious, and then
you'd have a better chance with it. Well, I think a big problem is that it's really hard to make sense of negative information or missing information or you know, negative data in that if these animals have very large home ranges, like I think they do, and they're very mobile within those home ranges, like people might go out into an area where sightings have occurred and they set up some kind of a bait station and nothing gets taken, and they
make the proclamation, oh, well, the Sasquatch isn't interested in food, And the reality is, like, man, there might not have been one within like six miles of you, and it might have had no clue that you were there for those two or three nights or whatever. And so it's not that they rejected your food or weren't interested. They just didn't even know you where the food existed at that point in time because they were elsewhere.
It's not like, you know, they're in such abundance that they're within a square mile of everywhere you could possibly plant yourself. And so I think a lot of what people interpret as the ignoring of food or you know, people are just assuming that the Sasquatch sees the food and is electing not to take
it, which is probably not the case in most of those cases. Right, I've been out where like we know they were there, like they were knocking around us in whistle and stuff, and I've gone out and put it out there, you know, like no cameras on, like they could approach it not seen, and they never touched it than that pretty often. Yeah,
I mean that might be part of it. To me, it's the same thing as like you know, oh, well the Sasquatch heard our calls and chose not to call back, and it's like, oh, in all likelihood, there wasn't one within earshot. You know, ninety percent of the time that we're out there, it's just again like a number of games, so to speak. Well, i mean there's definitely times that they're out there and the heroes they just don't respond, but we don't know that we don't
know which were one one or the other. Oh exactly. I'm just saying it's more likely that you know, there's just not one around than it is that like, oh, they're around, and they're observing everything we're doing, and they're just you know, exercising self control and deciding not to interact or
respond or take the food. Not that it would be more likely that they would, it's just that, like in the absence of responses or the absence of bait being taken, I think the simplest explanation would be, well, they're just not one around, Rather than just say like, oh, they were here, we didn't hear anything, which is evidence that they were here and chose to be quiet. It's like, no, you didn't hear anything because there's probably nothing there to hear. You know, the forest is mostly
empty. It's like the ocean. You know, ninety percent of the fish living ten percent of the ocean. The forests are staggeringly empty. That's what I learned more than anything else. That's what i'd learned from having a thermal imager. Yeah, there's just a lot of rats, Yeah, a lot of rats. All right, So we have one more voicemail and a bunch of written stuff. But we're already over an hour right now, so I'd say, let's do the voicemail. Yeah, let's talk about all right,
here's the last voice mail. Hi, I'm my name Steve. Thank you so much Cliff and Matt for giving us the opportunity to come and spend the evening with you on Thursday. It was an excellent time. I loved it. Thank you so much. You guys are generous hosts. I appreciate it. Anyway, the Ape Canyon exhibit had that big picture hanging above it, and I just it just made my imagination reun wild. So my question is, is anybody putting trail cams up around an area is it still being researched
up there or that area is still being monitored. I know people are going up there and revisiting the site, but it's being monitored. Do you have any information for us on that? Thank you. Yeah, it's not it's not. Things have happened. While Mark has been on expedition up there. He's heard some amazing vocalizations from multiple animals, including like the weird sort of talking like vocalizations like you like that kind of stuff. He's heard those.
They've cast footprints up there and seen other footprints seeing up on top there, up towards Pumas Butte and plains at Abraham and all that sort of thing. There's plentiful mountain goats. I mean, I saw at least two distinct herds when I was there in July this past year, and I think that that's
the reason sasquatches are up there as well. There's a lot of mountain goats, particularly in the area, and sasquatches being apes, are really good at hopping around and crazy terrain and stuff, and they're the kind of predator that could actually, you know, get a mountain, go take it down. I think so. I think that's why they're up there. But yeah, Mark and his colleagues who have gone up there over the years have cast at least one footprint that and by the way, we're going to get that footprint
for the North American Big Foot Centers exhibit. Since Steve, you have been to the museum and you've seen the new displays, you know, the glass casess underneath those right now, we have a couple of artifacts in there. We have a copy of Fred Beck's book I Fought the Ape Man of Mount Saint Helen's. Oh. We have a footprint cast, an original footprint cast that was donated to the museum by a group of researchers who work that area.
Actually they were down below. They were down below between maybe Ape Caves and the southeast side of the mountain in that stretch there. But a lot of stuff happens in that stretch. Of course, a lot of stuff happens in other stretches of the mountain too, you know, the horse Camp area, and some stuff up on top of the Tootle River. And there's a lot of good big footing to be done in Mount Saint Helens still, but up on top there no one's monitoring it because it's a long ways in.
You know, it's a five or six mile walk the fifteen hundred foot elevation gain, and you know, it's just a long walk in. There's a lot of easier places that you can monitor with any regularity than there, as far as you know. Down to the cabin site, first of all, I want to make it very clear no one should go there. It's extraordinarily dangerous and legitimately you are taking your life in your own hands when you even approach it. So I want to make them very very clear. I do
I strongly recommend do not try to go to the cabin site. You don't know where it is. There's no sign of it above ground anymore as of last year, you won't even know you're there. If you happen to stumble on it, you won't even know it, and you'll just keep stumbling, and one wrong stumble will make you plummet to your death. And you can even look it up online. Some people were there in the early seventies. They might have even been looking for the cabin site because really there's no other
reason to go there. And one guy fell to his death there, you know, down into the ravine, so I do not recommend you get down there. So no one, no one's in there monitoring anything. Because even up on top of the plains of Abraham, which is the only place you're allowed really to camp in that area because it's the Volcanic National Monument, that's a five to six mile walk in and it's not easy and it's not terrible.
You know, it's just a five to six mile walk, but still, you know, in and out one day that's twelve miles, and it's to monitor what you know, there's there's plenty of more accessible bigfoots around Mount Saint Helens and those well, it shows you, it shows you that like the areas, they'll hang out like this, you're talking about how to not this is to get to you, and like those squatches are just walking around down there. Oh yeah, yeah, the whole Ape Canyon event, you
know, back in twenty four, one hundred years ago. It just makes a lot of sense when you keep in mind that these things are apes, and climbing is what they do. You know, you look at the anatomy of a sasquatch. Their arms are longer than their legs. That means they're built for climbing, you know. I mean, they're they're climbing around to
these uneven terrain and that's the kind of thing they're made for. They don't mind being in very inaccessible and crazy places that humans simply don't like to go, you know, at least without ropes and whatnot. But for sasquatches and goats and other animals, it's no big deal. They just go there. It's just what they do. Yeah, I can totally see why. I
can totally see why. But no, as far as I know, Steve, no one is actually monitoring up on top of the mountain because it's just so far in and so difficult to reach, so hard to get to. It just be hard you know, especially when you can just go to the you go off the side of the road down below, and you know, there's been sidings on the trail in between the parking lot and eight caves. There have been literally sightings there at night, like at the end of the
day. The last group to walk out of the caves. In one summer, just like six or eight years ago, I got three reports in a matter of two months, all about six or seven eight o'clock at night, you know, walking out from the caves, like the last group going out from the tour or whatever, and there was a visual siding, there was rock throwing, and then there were a bunch of whistles accompanied by something trailing them out. All three of those are Sasquatches most likely, and that was
in one summer. So why would you walk six miles up to a desolate place with no water source, where you're not allowed to camp to monitor up there. That's my thought. I would never do that. I would just go off the side of the road by the parking lot and see if I can find them there, because I'm just too lazy to do otherwise, you know. Oh and by the way, I'm glad you enjoyed the Meldium event. Thank you very much for coming. All right, so here is the
first written question. Take it, Bobs. Dustin Shelton writes, Hi, Cliff and Bobo love the show. I've been watching old episodes of Finding Bigfoot. I'm floored by the amount of times Renee says I can't rule it out being a person in a suit, or I think it was someone playing a prank. But the thousands of witnesses you counted on the show, did she really think that there really were that many people that had access to a first suit looking to pull one over on someone? Or was she just out of
things to say? I don't know about that, because what I found with Renee is that she very often told us what it was not, but would almost never tell us what she thought it was. And I think it's a simple thing to say, Oh, I can't rule out it as a person wearing a suit, Well, guess what Chica sasquatches look like people in monkey suits. I don't know, man, It's like, you know, how do I know that's a deer and not a baby elk in a deer suit? They kind of look the same too, you know what I mean?
So that was my problem with that. You know, I like Renee. She's a lovely person, very very kind in a lot of ways and all that stuff, But at the same time, I found her explanations lacking, where very often she was more than willing to say what it was not, but would almost never offer up what a more reasonable explanation was. And if you notice, she didn't really didn't like to say that I think this dude's lying, Like she wouldn't do that, you know, because she also has
a lot of faith in people. But yeah, so I don't know. I think it would have been a lot easier just to say pushaw, you're not telling the truth and be done with it, instead of a well that's a person in a suit, which you know seems extraordinarily unlikely in a lot of those circumstances. Well, I know I've said this before in previous episodes as an outsider who was not, you know, a real member of the
crew. But I worked on a couple of episodes, was that I would watch those talking head interviews because I'd be standing off to the side, and of course, like the questions you guys would get asked would be things like, you know what about this is similar to other sasquatch sidings? What about this makes you lean towards this being a legitimate sasquatch siding, et cetera. And the questions that would get asked of Vernee in the talking head segments would
be like, why is this not a sasquatch? What other explanations might you
have? You know, So, of course she's answering those questions, and you're watching like the cumulative however many you know, dozens or maybe the full hundred episodes of that show, and so you're seeing her by herself saying things that seem spontaneous, but really she's answering questions, and because of the sort of role that she had on the show, there's a certain kind of question being asked that you guys, are not necessarily being asked, Like when you
say, that's fair at least for an audience member to know or understand, Oh, absolutely absolutely, because hey, it's TV, and we may have had pretty much the you know, the most honest and transparent Bigfoot show out there that's in my opinion, that's been made. But at the same time, it's still TV, and at best, television is a shallow superficial medium.
There's a lot that goes on off camera that drives the narrative, you know, and at the end of the day, the producers are trying to make a narrative, a story that makes sense to the viewer, that is cohesive and connects to one another, and all that sort of stuff. It's a psychological thing. I never really understood the amount of psychology that goes into
television. Like little things too, like if you have a scene where you don't do a drive up scene, like it's unsettling to the viewer, Like you have to see the people arrive at a location, otherwise it doesn't make sense to the viewer and it's unsettling to them. And also other little things like if you exit to the left of the screen, that means you should come back on from the left or from the right. I don't forget which one it is. But like little things like that, I mean, I
guess that's the kind of thing you pick up in film school. But the small psychological quirks could develop, and you know, if you don't do it right, and it's unsettling to the viewer. So yeah, but the producers are always driving a narrow in a way that that goes along with a storyline, so the viewer, So it is what makes sense to the viewer, you know, And Renee did get asked questions like, well, since you
don't believe in bigfoot, that's not a bigfoot? What else do you think it could be, you know, trying to get a trying to get answers from her like that. Okay. The next question is from Greg Thomas, and he asks what is the process for collecting and storing a hair sample for DNA testing to improve the likelihood of having a bigfoot hair sample that can be successfully tested. Thank you for your continued great work on the podcast and other
things you guys continue to do to further increase people's knowledge about Bigfoot. Try not to touch it. Don't don't touch the hair. You know, tweezers or gloves are great. You know, you don't breathe on it, don't get too close to it because the moisture coming out of your mouth contains your DNA. And then put it in a paper envelope, preferably one of the those acid free paper envelopes, the brown colored ones. But yeah, I
mean that's kind of it. Hair's really simple to deal with get it off the branch or whatever it's on. With the tweezers if you can, sterilized tweezers are best. But you know, use whatever you have, put it in an envelope and there you go. That's it. Then send it to Derby, Derby Orchid. So that's what I would do, all right. We got this one from Jamie Jamie incs. I think that's that's the tattoo ars we see in Ohio every year. I think that's what that is.
We are here debating how sasquatch drink. One of us says with the cup hand, and the other says, putting his face into the water source. What do you think? Yeah, I've heard him doing bolt, but I've heard more of the cup hand. I've heard numerous observations of sasquatches using a cup hand and bringing the water up to its mouth. So I think that's probably the way to the way to go. Yeah, definitely, that's the
most common reported. Yeah. William Roe of course observed a sasquatch at very close range and in a calm and about how how I guess prehensile their lips are, you know, about how it extend out and kind of wrap around the berry leaves. It was eating the leaves off a very berry bullsh I remember correctly. So yeah, so maybe something like that goes on when they
drink too. I was putting like snap off a stock, then put in the base of the stock like a corner on the cob, and then pull it through its teeth and just strip everything into its smellt Like, did you, Matt when you were you know, and Emily were at the house, did you see those bloody corn cobs that Melissa made? I did the corn on the macab Yeah, corn on the macab. Well, I love my wife, you can see why. And I got to come face to face
with the Bobo effigy in the museum and it was strikingly life like. Oh sure you it was just it was strikingly lifelike for your your previous life back in the day, like circa twelve Bobo. Yeah. Your comment is, mel how come he made the fat bobs? Yes? Because it was easier
to sculpt. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And of course we're talking about we on the top of the hat rack in the North American Bigfoot Center, we have a sculpt of Bobo's head with a gone squatch and hat on it that my wife made made a late text copy of it, and I comment, I comment to customers that when they ask about you and its Bobo doing it. So we put his head on a spike right there as a warning in case he came by. I didn't want fad Paler to have all
the fun. Yeah, I should just put out a bunch of boboisms from an episode or two, and then you could put it on like a little Bluetooth speaker with a motion sensor, and so when people walk by it, it just spontaneously goes like class. Maybe we'll add that to the Murphy mix, you know, instead of the knocking and the whooping, it'll go cut that out. Here's the last written question and then you have to, you know, speaking of maybe as a little teaser for what our bonus episode will
be. I did find, to my great surprise the other day. I was going through one of our closets where we store a lot of like outdoor gear, and I saw Emily, my wife, had one of the pink gun squatching hats from back in the day that she'd bought like way before we ever met, and I was like, oh, there's the influence of Bobo in my life before Emily was in my life, and so we had a
good laugh about that. Have you ever run into someone just like spontaneously out in the wild wearing a gun squatch and hat, like, not at a Bigfoot of inn or something, but just like out in public randomly, Oh lots of times. Did you ever see that picture of Justin Bieber wearing a gun, squatch and hat? Yeah, that's pretty epic. I think. Oh we put it I'm pretty sure we put it out on social media once early on in the in the podcast, and then all the comments were so
negative about Justin Bieber. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I put it on my social media back in the day, and I couldn't believe all the angry people and hatred and just crazy easy stuff like I don't know what it is about that guy that drives everybody else nuts like that, but man, that that picture really brought out the worst and a lot of
people. I'll say that I love the Beames. Well, you see all the attention that Taylor Swift bring into the NFL, and so if you guys somehow make Taylor Swift a Bigfoot and Beyond fan, we can retire we'll be recording these episodes on Bobo's yacht. All these people who are mad at Taylor. Taylor Swift just need to shake it off, man, But thank you
very much. Is that one of her songs? Yeah, it's the only one I know, by the way, But yeah, somebody get Taylor going Squatching hat or T shirt listeners, if any of you happen to be like Taylor Swift's third cousin, give her a Bigfoot and Beyond t shirt. If she wears it at the super Bowl, We'll deliver to you the best content you could possibly imagine. I think she's more of a keep it squatchy girl. All right, Bob, this one's yours. This one comes Larry Beatty.
How sensitive do you think bigfoots are to electronic equipment? They seem to avoid electronics is And as per your story about money Maker using the technique of putting a camera inside a cabinet inside a trailer, should current bigfooters go low tech like the Patterson film or do you think high tech will finally bring us closure? I think that film was great and there's no like especially with that one, like k one Roger was using. You just pull the trail.
There's no warm up, it's just boom, it's rolling. That's a bonus. But you have to be so so frugal filming, I think, is it's expensive if you only have like so many minutes on per role and it's like that's it's just not feis is not practical at all. But yeah, I think they're sensitive electronics, but oddly enough, not audio recorders like they don't that does not seem to do with them, like the cameras, do
game cams anything, if it's like an infrared beam, you know. Well, I think if they're sensitive to electronics at all, I personally think that they hear them like that high pitched wine. And the only thing I can really anchor that on is when when I was a kid, you know, back in the seventies and eighties and stuff, I could tell if there was a television on in the other room because I could kind of hear it in a way, you know. And the televisions nowadays, I don't think really
do that as much as they did back in the day. You know, probably they probably had something to do with the tubes inside the TV and all that sort of stuff, because everything's digital nowadays. And technology has changed so much. But I'm guessing this is just a guess that there's something like that
they emit noise. There is an engineer from Wisconsin that I was in contact with for a while, and he did some testing with game cameras and found that all of them, or almost all of them, are quite noisy at very very high frequencies beyond which humans can hear. He said that the Raconics hyper Fire, which are these little jobbers that cost like six hundred bucks, they are apparently pretty quiet. So he invested a great deal of money in
those, and I don't think he ever got any pictures or anything. I've kind of a lost touch with him a little bit. He might listener, for all we know. He's a bigfoot guy after all, So I don't know. So if that, if that's you out there, I'm talking about you. But yeah, apparently they actually make a kind of a lot of noise, but I don't I don't think they feel it or anything or sensitive to em efort radiation or anything like that. And as evidence of that are
game camera pictures that are actually pretty good from low quality cameras. I think that it's a numbers game and I think that sasquatches are rare and they're very very You can't predict where they're going to walk, and people who see them have cameras on them nowadays because everybody's got a phone in their pocket. It's just say, it's hard to get a picture of any wild animal. Well that was the last question, right, yep. Now you know Valentine's Day
is this week. We're going to do something special for Valentine's Day this week. I think it's going to be kind of cool. I'm excited about this when we've been kind of talking about doing something like this for kind of a long time. See, all of us have a significant other in our lives, and sometimes I kind of wonder, like, how the heck do they
deal with us? And not only does Melissa, by the way, like Karita, of course, she's bewildering in that sort of way, how she deals with Bobo and even Emily who is a bigfooter because you know Creta on Melissa, they're not bigfooters, but Emily, Matt Prout's wife there is a big footer. So that makes sense that she can deal with all this bigfoot stuff and everything. But I got to say, that all three of them have to be angels, and they're also our support team behind the scenes here,
not only in our regular lives, but also professionally as well. How Melissa helps out at the museum, and I'm sure that Bobo and Matt have their own examples of how their significant others support them and help them and love them along the way. So what we thought would be a fun idea is for our members section. This is only for the members, by the way, So if you're not a member yet, maybe you want to become one.
You can go to the podcast website, Bigfoot of Beyond podcast dot com and hit the membership button and they'll take you right to where you need to go. Five bucks a month you get an extra like, god, what, four hours of Cliff, Bobo and Matt every single month. That's kind of cool. But what we're gonna do is we're gonna take questions from our members for the Q and A, and we're not going to answer them. Emily, Melissa and Karita are going to answer them, and I cannot wait
to hear what they say. I could wait. I know you like you're scared both that you have to admit that you're scared of what she's going to say. I want to get screwed. Yeah, but don't you think we're all going to get screwed. That's what they ask I'm going to get the worst of it. I suspect that all the questions big what's Bubbo like behind the scene, and she doesn't know. I think it's going to be super
fun. We did put out the word to our patrons like, hey, we're going to do this episode where the ladies behind the scenes are big fan of beon are going to answer your questions and so We've gotten some good questions already. So I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to hearing what Karta has to say. Well, there you go. That's something for our members look forward to every Thursday and new member episode comes out. If you want to become a member again, go to
the website become a member. It's cool at other than that, Bobs, why don't you take us out of here? All right? Folks? That wraps up another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo doing our monthly question and answer with the folks. So thanks for sending in those questions and until next week, y'all keep it squatchy. Well. Thanks for listening to
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