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probably my favorite time of year. It's just so pretty and that. I love the temperatures and the rain. It's great. It's definitely my favorite time of the year. First sure, and yeah, I just got back yesterday from uh went out for a couple of days. We went squatching and getting wood, and we ended up traveling way out, way way out, like jeez, I think we took like two hundred two hours and forty five minutes northeast. He went out above some's bar until we found some standing dead madrone.
It like god, it was like fifty six hundred feet or something, and we ended up camping up there. And it was supposed to be like really warm, but it was so high up we got pretty frozen. It was pretty freezing. But yeah, we ended up got two cords in one day. It was kind of all the easy stuff was people had gotten. So we had to like and we did. We forgot our chains to like choke them out, you know, to choke out the haul out of any
like logs, especially on a downhill slope. So we were just having a We drove and drove and drove till we got way up and then we found some up there. So we got a couple of cords, but we gotta go get some more. We're gonna get some more. They were gonna go out Highway thirty six back to that spot. We go down out there on the east side. Yeah, well west of the five, but east of the one on one. Wow. Wow, that's a long ways out, and that's a long ways out for you. But God, nobody's down there.
Nobody's down there at all. And there's been a couple of things that have gone down within eight miles that spot. We used to camp all the time. And uh so there's two spot, two things that have been going on down there, and this we're gonna go there and uh, there's there's a lot of wood down there, majorone and stuff. So we're gonna go down and get some madrone and then do a couple of days squatching. Yeah you do. I mean you must be big footing while you're out there,
I guess right, Oh yeah, for sure. I mean at night I love. Yeah. The other night though, it was so beautiful and it was so warm from that ridge before it dropped cold. We were we were like at a sat We were up three hundred and sixty degree view just of the whole like Marble Mountains and wilderness and Trinity Alps, and it was like a three quarter moon and it was just so beautiful. End we were we
were just playing music and we heard something come around. I think it was deer, but because it was so we were so high up, I couldn't imagine I think, being up there, like you know, end of October getting to November, I don't see something squatch hanging out, you know, above five six thousand. We were like, yeah, like fifty seven hundreds, I think, you know, I don't think there are about four thousand at the highest this time, especially with the still head around going and a
few salmon. Yeah, we got no salmon fishing this year. There's no salmon fishing it all down here. Oh yeah, I'm not sure what's going on here. I hear they're in the river right now, but I keep hearing about coho and that's about it. But I did hear catch a lot of the news about a bad salmon here and stuff for all the entire Pacific Northwest, which includes you, of course. Oh but dude, they're catching fricking I see my buddy's buddy holding a He sent hum a picture of it.
When I was talking on one hundred and seventy five blue fin eight miles off the Eureka Like five boats went out the smallest the way they were catching, we're like over one hundred and twenty five and up to twenty five. Oh geez, that's those are big, big fish. I've heard the blue fin in southern California have not left like for a year, two or three or something. It's a ridiculous fight down there. And of course blue fin are cold water SPEEDI or not cold, and they're a little bit of everything
water species actually cool. Yeah, they can do the pretty well in cool water as well as the tropical stuff like down by Guadaloupe Island and stuff. But fishing is fishing mountains. You aren't going to catch him unless you go. It's like bigfooting in a lot of ways. I wish I can get out there. But yeah, if I talked to you since my Tennessee gig, I don't think so. Yeah, I went out to Tennessee Gig, and of course you know, good stories set her and stuff. But I
guess the most important thing that I wanted to bring up there. Maybe this will ring a bell if I told you Melissa got scared into the house while I was gone by something big and heavy outside. No. Yeah, I remember a couple of years ago. I don't remember the date, but I think it was two thousand and eighteen or much been nineteen. I was out. I was on expedition with doctor Meldrum out here in the mountainod National Forest,
and I happened to catch a reception a little bit. I checked out with Melissa one night, and because she was home alone at that point, and she says something scared her inside the house. Coyotes are around. She goes, oh, coyotes, blah blah blah. And then like thirty minutes later, twenty minutes later, something went boom on the lawn and just this huge thudding noise that she felt in her chest. And she was out on the porch at the time, and she she basically goes, what the hell
is that? And went inside and closed all the curtains and said what do I do? And I said count yourself lucky and listen, you know, which didn't help her at all. Poor thing was probably scared. But anyway, she was out this time about two weeks ago or something like that, because I haven't spoken to you for a while, I don't think, and if I did, I didn't she You know, we just had this Halloween party this past weekend. I don't know if you. I was trying to
make it. If I could, there was no way. I mean, I thought I might be able to do well. From what I remember, it was a pretty good party. Just leave it like that. But she she made a haunted house under the deck with all of her props and sound effects and this, and made a little story out of it and all this a studden. It was a wonderful, cute little thing. I've got a video of it. Maybe I'll ask Matt Prue to put that on her member section for people. But when she was out, she was out there like
a dusk her jess post dusk. You know, it was getting pretty dark, which is pretty rare from Melissa because she's scared to go outside at night. She was out there and then she over at the same area over by the apple trees on the other side of the property, not that far away. She once again she heard a boom, like this big thud right and she goes what she stopped, and then she heard boom, boom boom off
into the brush. She heard this like big, heavy, heavy, heavy footsteps off into the brush away from the property, down towards the power lines. And I just I got word of that, and I go, holy smokes, they might be back. That's that interesting. So is there a tree that it could have jumped out of and landed and then stopped off or I think it just was a foot stop. I don't. I mean,
I don't know. I wish I would have heard it. If I would have heard it, i'd probab might have a better answer for that question. But since I don't know, I just don't know. Yeah, So I don't that's something I wanted to share with you. I mentioned the Halloween party. It was great, by the way, a lot of fun. Other than that, man, I went out once. I found two possible footprints over at Easter Island, and not quite sure, but they're like the things
were pushed down and they had the right shape, but or whatever. But nothing you can take to the bank. So I'm just putting in the maybe pile, not even adding that to the database at this point, you know. And other than and I guess the other cool thing I wanted to share is just earlier today, less than an hour ago, I was talking to Neil Beck, the the what is it, the great nephew of Fred Beck. Yeah, and it was my great pleasure to tell him that the Ape
Canyon mine had been rediscovered, because he had not heard that yet. Oh he had is so is his cousins were the ones that rediscovered? Isn't it his cousins or I guess I don't really know how family like that works, but I know it was the great grandsons of one of the miners. But it wasn't one of the Beck. It wasn't Beck, It wasn't in the Beck family. I think it was the Smiths. Or somebody. I don't remember the family. But it wasn't the Becks who found who rediscovered the cabinet.
It was a great grandsons of one of the other miners. Yeah, but there, but those guys were like cousins or nephew and you know, nephew and uncle or something like. There was some of the original four five eight Canyon miners were I think three of them were related. Oh I don't know. I mean, Kalama was a small town back then. Maybe most
of them were related, who knows. But anyway, Yeah, so I got the pleasure of speaking with him, and I asked him he has these photographs I guess of the cabin Maybe he says, yeah, remember having those of my stuff somewhere. When I unpack him, I'll let you know. I asked him about him and then he hasn't He hasn't run across those yet.
But I'm gonna keep calling and asking him because in the museum here, I'm upstairs at the museum right now, in the museum here, in twenty twenty four, we're going to do a year long celebration of the one hundredth anniversary of the Ape Canyon incident. So pretty excited about that. That's cool, very cool, very cool. We gonna have some artifacts on display.
We have some cool The Beck family has lent me some official documents and whatnot on which Fred Beck has written his autograph and his wife had written her autographs like land aids and stuff like that. So there's gonna be some never before seen artifacts on display, really really cool stuff. So NABC in twenty twenty four all year long and Ape Canyon celebration gonna get ap cool as if I'm not apy enough. All right, what was on the docket for today?
Oh, I'm so pleased. This has taken a while to get together. It's taken a while to get together. We've got a good friend on the podcast today, and I kind of managed this through my wife because Melissa has become good friends with her as well because of their heritage Pittsburgh Ian. But yeah, today we have paranormal investigator at all around cool person, Heather Taddy
on the show. Heather. Well, we'll get into what Heather is and when I'll let her tell us frankly, because I mean I just know her as a person. I don't even I don't know that much about her career. I do know that she was on Paranormal State back in the day. That's the show I've heard of, and I might even seen part of an episode, which is big for me. But Heather, thanks so much for taking some time and coming to spend it with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks for
having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on board. You were part of Paranormal State? Was that the Pennsylvania college kids? Yeah, so it was based off of the Penn State Paranormal Research Society, which was a student club back by the university at Penn State, and I had started going to meetings.
But how I found out about them was I found out they ran this huge academic paranormal conference called Unicorn and like the early two thousands, and they'd have like Lorraine Warren there, they'd have famous parapsychologists Jay and Grant would be there from Ghot Hunters, because that was kind of around the time when their show came out. But I was like super impressed because it was truly like
it was very academic based and it was like put together really well. So I was studying at Penn State for like a French test and I just came across this article that was like literally this newspaper. The school newspaper was like open to this spread that highlighted this club, and I had transferred up to the main campus and I just kind of kept the article and joined the club. And I had no idea what turned into a television series at all.
I just joined it because I wanted to start training to be a field investigator, and I really just wanted to gain access to haunted locations so that I could see stuff. So you started showing up to the meetings. Were there cameras there? And he kind of said, what is this or what did it morph into it? Over time? No? So I guess two years before I had joined, they had filmed a pilot for a potential series.
This like Emmy Award winning producer discovered the club because Ryan, the old who started the club in like two thousand and one, he assisted the police on this missing person's case in State College, Pennsylvania, and he suggested the use of a psychic and that kind of became the basis for a different series. And then they wanted to do a series where they followed the club around helping families. So I didn't know about any of that, you know, going
to these meetings, I just went to these meetings. They were at a building on campus like every Sunday night, and I didn't know anyone there, and it was just this very interesting group of people, maybe like ten to fifteen people, and we just shared our experiences and talked about famous cases, and then I found out about the training program. It just seemed like a really legit club. Like the manual for the club was like this huge pamphlet.
It was it was really serious, and I was really surprised to see that a college could put that together and was so serious about it. So that's kind of why I had joined the club. But like, I've just always been interested in the subject of everything paranormal. So when I found out there was a club that I could go to and like learn more about it and actually be able to gain access to places, I was like, Oh,
sign me up. And then about the sixth meeting. In six or seventh meeting, I noticed a new face in the room and it ended up
being one of the producers and they were handing out these pamphlets. And then the next day I saw these signs all over campus advertising like, Hey, do you want to go to haunted places and be part of like a docu series that we'll be on A and E. And you know, I was a part of the club and I had been going through the training process and it was a really like really difficult process because you had to take all these extra tests quizzes, and it was like adding another class onto your curriculum.
So I went through it and ended up me and Katrina Widman were the only two that like made it through because it had like a seventy five percent dropout rate, and we made it through, and then we had tried out for the show and then we got casts and we were the two that they cast besides like three other people that were already like part of the club that started it. You must have just thought, like, holy smokes, my life
has taken a strange turn. Yeah, it was weird. And I remember, like, you know, I studied film in college, I studied French. I always knew I would do something with film or TV because I just kind of grew up. I grew up doing these like weird commercials for like local radio stations and stuff in my hometown. And when I was like a teenager, I was just obsessed with stealing my mom's video camera and just like filming these ridiculous skits with my friends and just documenting like every moment of my
life. So then I kind of used that in my investigating to try to catch evidence, because that's you know why I got onto all this because of the stories and just being really fascinated that we don't have all the answers, but like, I just really wanted to see stuff that blew my mind and stuff that really challenged my beliefs. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. Did you shay
them that blew your mind? Yeah? I mean I kind of went into it pretty skeptical, but then we worked on a lot of really serious client cases on paranormal state, like in the early days, and that kind of swayed me more to be a believer because I did experience some things. I think one of the most one of the early things I experienced was we were at this haunted schoolhouse. It was like a schoolhouse that they had remodeled into
like apartments, and this woman had all these experiences. We brought in a priest to bless the house, and her apartment was kind of set up like a loft, and I remember sitting on this couch facing these cabinets in the kitchen, and while the priest ups Stare was doing a blessing, this cabinet was closed. But this cabinet, it wasn't angled, there was nothing sticking
to it that could have caused it to like open. But it literally just it didn't fly open, but it slowly just like opened right in front of us, right across from me. And I tried everything I could to like debunk it. We tried taking off the cabinet, but it was just it coincided with like a really weird moment when the priest was doing this like house blessing. So that was one of the very first things. And then where
I was like, I have no explanation for that. Then I got touched one time at this location when I had no explanation and there was nothing in my way that could have caused that. I was leaning up against this bathroom in this house in Oregon where this woman had seen this headless ghost walk back and forth. She always felt like she was being watched, and I was,
I was. We did this thing called dead time where we would like turn off all the electronics have as little people as possible in the space to avoid like interfering with noises and things, and we would just try to attempt spirit communication. And I was always the one on the show that would put myself in situations alone with a camera because I was always just like the brave
person to do that. So I was in this bathroom where this client always felt uncomfortable, and I was leaning against the sink and my arms were stretched out and I just felt something touch my elbow enough for me to bend it, and I had it all on camera so that you could see there was
just like nothing around me. So those were two like earlier experiences. And like we we would stay the night in the client's houses during like the first through second season because it would allow us to kind of immerse ourselves more in the environment and have more experiences. And I remember just like trying to fall asleep, and before that, I had never slept in any kind of haunted house. I didn't grow up in a haunted house. I had zero experiences.
And I remember like hearing noises that I couldn't explain and not being able to sleep, and just like hearing something walk in the hall, and I remember from then on, I just started wearing earplugs to sleep. Yes, I still wear earplugs to this day when I sleep. Class. Yeah, the big Foot world, if you get touched on the elbow, it's like third base. I want to come big foot hunting with you, guys.
I would love to whenever you're out here, you know. I mean you're friends with the entire family now, so you've got a place to stay. If you ever want to come out, you're always welcome. That would be so fun. I want to go. I want to go squatching. Yeah, and some of our best spots are within an hour of the house too, right. I mean, as you heard in our preamble here that you don't even really have to leave the property sometimes some nights. So that's so
cool. Yeah, if that's what it was that she heard. You know, so all the good stuff happens when I'm gone. I wish I was, you know. I don't know if that's a coincidence or not, or you know, maybe who knows, who knows? What's Are you on a show right? Currently? Are you on a show now? So? I guest star on this show on the CW called Mysteries Decoded, where they kind of explore different everything ranging from cryptozoology UFOs to just like famous haunted places.
And I've guests started on three episodes so far. One of them premiered. We did Dulce Bass out in New Mexico. Oh yeah, yeah, by dulcein New Mexico. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. We have a good bigfoot friends that live out in that direction. Oh cool, it's an interesting place. I did that episode for their season two. And then there's season three, which haven't premier hasn't premiered yet. I did two episodes for that. But I film and produce a series with Katrina Widman called Travel the Dead on
YouTube. We have about five episodes up right now. We just premiered part one of this haunted farm we investigated and those those are free on YouTube. So that's kind of my focus. Now. I thought you were grateful Dead or something. Oh no, that would be funny. It makes sense. So yeah, Travel the Dead, Yeah, I never I never put that together. That's really funny. They just traveled the West Coast to see the dead personally. Maybe we can have Bob We're guest star one over episode.
Oh yeah, and call it weird or weird far weird so you mentioned that you like, you're one of these people that isolates yourself and goes into these haunted situations alone. Do you do you think from your experience or what the experience of those who you trust, that that is better to do that, Like it affects the outcomes, like you get better results or or does it
change anything at all? From my experience, I think so, because you're putting yourself in a more vulnerable position, you don't have as many distractions, especially when you're in a house all alone, you know, because a lot of times, you know, working on if we're you know, talking about working on certain TV shows, It's it's hard when you have people that haven't
ghost hunted before. Because I notice this even on like public ghost hunts at events that I do, that people just move around so much and they don't realize they're doing it. So when you're in a situation alone, that's honestly, I prefer that because it opens you up more and you don't have distractions, and like, you know, a lot of people are like, oh,
how do you do that? Aren't you scared? I'm just kind of like, I mean, of course, any anything in the paranormal field is scared because we don't really know what's going to happen, and we don't really have answers for everything. So yeah, it gets scary. But like I'm way more fascinated by it, and I want to put myself in situations so that I can have experiences and not be you know, not running into the
other room. That seems totally crazy to me, just so you know, because yeah, for me, the whole ghost thing in general is bewildering to me. Like I understand wanting to hunt, you know, or to chase down and try to see giant ape men. To me, that makes perfect sense for some reason. But to fiddle around with things you can't see, that you don't understand, and all that other stuff, and it's like totally bewildering to me. And I'm glad you do it, not putting it,
putting that idea down at all. As you know, Melissa's totally into that, the whole thing. I'm one hundred percent behind it. In fact, I didn't this is something I did. I forgot to mention, you know how for the museum membership, we do these two videos, two video documentaries every single month for our members. I just got on Halloween, I published
the last one, which is the one I edited together. We did a ghost hunt here in the in the in the Bigfoot Museum because pretty much every single one of the employees except for me and the manager Nico, has had something weird happen, and that includes Melissa. You know, we're coming in the morning and things are off the shelf and like magnets, like these really strong magnets that there's no way that like are hard to pull off there on the ground in the morning, that sort of stuff. Dave, one of
our employees, saw something or thought he saw somebody right behind him. When he turned he wasn't there. So for you know, we for these two videos every month for our members. We always do big Foot stuff, usually our field investigations or deep dives into evidence. But once a year Melissa takes control and so she says, you know what, this year, we're doing
a ghost hunt in the museum, and everybody was for it. So I got to go on a ghost hunt and we didn't get any or I mean kind I don't know, weird stuff happened, but it was during that ghost hunt that it was once again driven home to me that I don't know why people do that, Like, you know, like why would you just it's just scary, Like why would you want to scare yourself that bad? I mean, I get it. And to each throne, Melissa loves to be scared. I totally get it. But to me, it's bewildering, and
people, I guess will always be bewildering to me. See, I kind of feel the opposite. I feel like trying to search for a giant creature that could potentially like trample you. I think that's terrifying. Oh, I get it. I get it. I mean, I think we're talking about the same thing. And you know, some people like vanilla, some people like chocolate. You know, it's one of those things. I guess at the end of the day, I kind of get it. But it's just
so scary. You know. Melissa has me watch these movies and stuff like these horror you know, I never watched horror movies until I was trying to court Melissa, and then I did it, and I had all these nightmares for a long time and I finally got over it. Now I can watch these things right. And just the other night we were watching one on Halloween
because it's Halloween season. Heather. I don't if you noticed, but it's been apparently it's been Halloween seasons since July fifth, that's when Melissa pronounced it. Yeah, she's the best. I know you love Melissa too, She's the best, But I she's so cool. I want to be your best. I wish we lived in the same state. Oh, she has often said about said that about you. And by the way, oh, Melissa approved. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely definitely, But I forgot
where I was going with that. But nonetheless, it's bewildering to me, Like Melissa wants to go out and chase ghosts since she's scared to death the bigfoots and just vice versa. For me, it's like I don't want to mess around with things that you know, Like I see all these movies and it plants ideas in my head about possession and losing your soul and whatever that means, and and just horrifying visions in my head. I can deal with
giant eight men. Do you know any of the history of the building that your museum is in? Very very little, very very little. Yeah, I know only what the county told me, and they're so convoluted, such a mess that I you know, you can't believe, but they're saying because they don't have all the facts. They told me that no business has been in my building since two thousand and four, and then yelled at me about my permits. I say, what what you just told me? No one's
been in here since two thousand and four? Why are you yelling at me about my permits? You know, and the address and stuff. But yet I can name two or three other businesses that have been in my building since two thousand and four before I showed up, so they don't know anything. Was one in mortuary? No, there was a reptile museum, oh rah. And a bakery. We have reptile ghosts, reptile baked goods. Yeah perhaps, but yeah, reptile Actually maybe the reptiles did the baking of the
goods. So have you seen a ghost, Heather? I have never seen a ghost. I've seen a shadow person, but I have never seen an apparition. And I cannot believe it because I've been doing this for so long, and I've feel like I've been in many situations where it could arise, but I've never seen one. But you want to, I do. Yeah, So the shadow person. Tell me about that. So I think I was at Where was I? I was it? I was at some asylum.
I don't even remember where it was, maybe like upstate New York or something, but it was down a hallway and it looked as if like some type of shadow like peaked itself out into the hallway and then went back into the doorway. It was. It happened super quick. But that's kind of that's the that's one of the times I've seen a shatter person and one of the first one of the times. Yeah, let me think, everything blurs together, so I like to try to give details that let me think of
where the other one was. I think it was in a residential home. We were doing a client case, and it was perhaps in a basement. But it's always something that happens really quick, and you know, I'm always like, oh, is it my ir light on my camera? But I think this time I was. I was in the dark, and I had like a small light source, and I saw just like a quick almost as if something just like walks past you really quick and then you cut it out
of your peripheral vision. Yeah, that's what happened to Melissa here at the museum. Yeah, well would you come out, We'll let you come in the museum and poke around. I saw a shadow person. Yeah, what was your situation? Way again around It's Bobo story, dude, He's going to see some things that will blown classic scene. He's lying and he's going
a kid yill me high clear Once again, it's Bubo story. Any description of felonious or criminal activity is being told here strictly for entertainment purposes, and is in no way admission of guilt or even true for that matter. I lived in this house that was like super noisy, like dudes living there like
bachelors, seeing like music cranking all the time, blah blah blah. And people would stay there so they hear stuff that I never had anything happening like how over many years I was there till the day I was moving out, and uh, we'd had a lot of burglaries and there was a home invasion just down the street for the most a couple weeks before. I had my shotgun loaded in my house and we were moving out that day, and had this big hundred pound pitple that was a killer great watchdog. He was chilling
in the house with me and uh, it was. It was. It was like I think the fourth was. Yeah, it was the fourth oldest house in Arcada, California, and so you know, it was like one hundred and thirty years old whatever, and we were I was loading up and so it had the bathroom was on the northeast corner, and then southeast corner was the big kitchen, and then going into the kitchen, went into the dining room and living within on the right side of the houses was three bedrooms
like in a row, going down parallel to the living room. In the dining room and the dining room we had had a big open door with probably like eight foot yeah, it's probably about eight fot wide door. We had a big quilt over it to keep the house warm in the front. And I was sitting there it was like two in the afternoon whatever, and just taking the shelves out of my shotgun, and I just see the blanket lift up and then it was on the corner my eye. But I turned my
head as a turn I had to look. I see this like shadow lift up the rug and go underneath me, ruing the blanket and go to you know, flip it up and walk through and then the it flapped back down and went like, you know, pretty dark in there again. I was like, well, I go dd get him, and so I was chasing. I ran out there and my nextra neighbors out there. He was using our hose to flush his engine on his outboard on his boat, and he was right like ten feet from the door, and DJ came running out.
I came running out of the shock and I'm like, do you see that guy? You see that guy came out here? And he's like I was centered another no one came out. Then I said, oh man, he must have went in the bathroom. And I ran back and check the bathroom, and then I thought maybe he went into the bathroom. Then when I ran out the door and went he went back in through the house or so I went that way and running around, ran out on the street looking like
nothing. There was nobody there, and I was and the guy's like, what do you look like? And I'm like, it was just all black and there was no like distinct feature stud It was just a black shadow. But it was like lifted up the curtain and walked through and what do you know what shadow? People they normally not need to do. They couldn't they just normally walk through a wall or through a blanket like that. I have heard stories, yeah, like sometimes they come from a wall or like a
solid material. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what. I don't know. If it's just like a different way that a possible spirit materializes, I don't know. But there's been connections too with like UFO cases where people see shadow people. Yeah that wasn't this case. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages. So
UFOs and shadow things might be related in some way. Yeah. I've definitely worked with people who have had experiences where some type of like like abduction experien is where they see some sort of being in their house outside somewhere, and sometimes it appears as like a shadow and then they have like missing time or something like that. And yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff with that. Now. Now again I'm not verse in all this stuff. I'm just
a silly, you know, ape guy. But am I right? Remembering the word screen memory here is could it be something like that? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, that's definitely a thing where people have experiences like that, and maybe they see. I know, something popular is when people see owls.
I think in a way just from you know, having all my experiences with working with clients and haunted houses, and then kind of switching over and working on client cases where people have had experiences seeing UFOs and then they go in their house and they have activity happen that it seems like their house is all of a sudden haunted, and it all kind of correlates when they have seen these strange UFOs in the sky, or they had cattle mutilations on their
property, which are always associated with UFOs. So it's weird. But I've definitely had people report shadow people in their house, whether it's after they see a UFO or maybe after they get abducted or before they get abducted. You have paid for that, no, Well. I did this series for Travel
Channel called Alien Highway. We traveled, you know, West coast, Midwest to areas where there were like UFO flaps of you know, historical activity that people then you know that the particular area was known for activity, and then years decades later it kind of amps up again. So we would go to places like that, and I did one case where a client he had an abduction experience when he was seventeen that he never really talked to anybody about.
And he was actually later on in his life when we met him, he was like, I think in his fifties. He lived on the Merrimack River in Missouri, and he would see him and his wife would see these lights and they kind of thought that they were being targeted by UFOs. They would
see balls of lights above trees, orange lights. They would have activity in their house, and we brought in a hypnotherapist to sort of unlock, you know, his repressed memories with all of this, and it was really weird to see him go through it because it was obviously a very traumatic experience.
He missed two days of time, and he held that story in all of his life and it was almost as if he was taken back to that time when he was a teenager and he described, you know, he was walking on the highway with one of his friends and all of a sudden, in front of them, they were looking at like on the highway wall, these these lights just lit up the wall and they turned around and then the next thing they know, they saw this like craft and then they were in some
kind of room and they saw these creatures that had long heads, long necks, big eyes, and next thing he knows, he was like in this chair back to back with his friend, and then he described this being taking him to the top of this mountain and pointing down at this city and pointing
down to the city lights and saying, these lights are bad. So through his therapy session he kind of revealed this abduction, and then we were kind of came to the conclusion that like he was having PTSD from this experience, and every light he was seeing, whether or not it was someone's house or it was a street light, or it was like an unexplained light, he was associating. He was associating it with that experience he had when he was young. It's like anist he turned into a shadow man in a way,
and just prefer a guy who shuns the light. Yeah. Yeah, So that was really interesting to see. And I thought it was kind of interesting that the name of the last name of the hypnotherapist. She'd never had done any kind of alien session or anything, but her last name was Krueger, like like Freddy Krueger, and I just thought that was kind of interesting. I grew up on voar he's having me m you know what that's from?
Oh, yeah, Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I claimed the famous that when we were in high school was our buddy Chris's sister was Mandy Wiss. She was the first person killed in the Nightmare on Elm Street series. She was the girl that got slammed against the wall. And then her she's like her, she gets dragged up the walls, like invisibly. She was topless and she got draged up to the wall, to the roof ower like her bed explodes in blood. Is that the I think she was like with a
dude in bed. And then yeah, she was with Johnny Depp. Johnny Depp was in that. Yeah, that was his first movie. Rule I didn't know that, Okay, yeah. Then she was also a Brad's girlfriend in Fast Times at Richmond High and she goes, I think we should see other people our senior year. That's funny. Oh you know what, No, I think I was No, I'm wrong. Johnny Depp wasn't Nightmare on Elm Street, but he wasn't in the room with her. It was that
other guy. Because I remember that other guy went to jail because they thought he did it. Well, yeah, I think I think you're right, But Johnny Depp was absolutely in. I think that I don't know if this this first movie or not. I'm going to trust you on that one. That's cool. So you went, you said you went to high school with her, her little brother. Oh okay, but we all we all knew
we were like call in love with there. So so much of it seems that so much of the paranormal stuff, whether it's ghosts or UFO stuff and all that jazz, it relies very very heavily upon eyewitness testimony. And of course the Bigfoot thing is also This is also true obviously, but I like to take it a step further in Bigfoot, and I really prefer to focus
on physical evidence of any sort. So I'm curious over the many years and probably hundreds and hundreds of investigations I assume that you've looked into and what sort of physical evidence, if any, And maybe there's none, but I assume there has to be some that have you seen either for some some sort of ghosty sort of thing or perhaps a UFO E sort of thing. And I don't know what that physical evidence might look like. It's an honest question,
and I'm curious about what sort of physical stuff have you run across. Well, when it comes to physical like audible stuff, being locked in a location with one other person and hearing the sounds of footsteps above you and it sounds so real that you think someone broke into the house. That's happened to me several times to where you you feel this. One location I was at,
I was sitting on the floor. It was an old nursing home called Malvern Manner, and I was sitting on the floor and the floor was carpeted, and I felt the sensation of someone walking around me to where I could see and hear the carpet like like almost moving. It felt so real that I thought someone was like walking around me. Other than that, I'd say i've I've I've heard some pretty good EVPs to where it's it's an intelligent response to
a to a very specific question. For example, one time I was at this really tiny jail in Texas somewhere, and I was in one of the cells and I had asked the question, you know, I was just like, oh, what did you do? And hear in your spare time, like what were some of the things you did, and you hear this clear voice, like a male's voice, say twice it said sleep sleep, And there was like no like it wasn't us trying to like make something out of
nothing or find meaning and a noise. It was like no one was moving. There were three of us sitting at a table and it was a direct response and it said sleep sleep. And I have a recording of that somewhere online. But those are a couple things. If that answers your question, I know that there's more. I just have to really think. So you've
had these personal experiences and a few things recorded. I remember one time back in the day when I first met like you know, Greg and Dana Newkirk, for example, they did an episode of Finding Bigfoot with it and I was saying, what's our paranormal blah blah blah, and they said, I don't know, and they're being really cool to me, even though I was so stubborn about it, and I still am but uh And I said, well, of ghost only footprints and they said, well, actually, And
then they started telling me about these cases that they investigated were ghost left footprints, And it sounds like this may have been one of those because of the pressure on the carpet, would you say it falls in line with that sort of thought. Yeah, I mean there there were no markings, but I could see the carpet kind of moving. It just felt so real, and I mean, no one was that close to me that it would have been like that. And another experience relating to footsteps, which is such a very
common thing like happens like residually. But I was at Penhurst Asylum in right outside of Philadelphia, and one of the buildings called the Mayflower Building. It's where a lot of First of all, the people that were that were at Penhurst were just people that were kind of reject from society. Maybe they had a mental disability and their family didn't want them anymore, and so they put them at this this state hospital. And it was really sad. People were
neglected overcrowding. And one of the specific areas where people were just shoved in a room and it was so overcrowded was in the Mayflower Building and there were these like little kind of office corridors where they would put you know, all the patients. And I remember I was I was doing an episode of Portals to Hell. I'm sorry, I never heard of that show. But that's
a great name. Yeah, it's kind of a feel good thing, right, Yeah, yeah, Jack Osborne. And then my friend Katrina was on it, and I was on an episode where they only needed me for like part of it. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to go into the Mayflower building because no one's in there, and I'm just going to kind of walk around and see what happens. And I was upstairs and I was just like trying to have a conversation, just trying to say something to
get a response. And I was standing there and I heard and this, this is this multiple times. This has happened to me at this location. But the floors are concrete, and it sounds like someone was shuffling their feet and walking towards you, and then stopping and then shuffling their feet and walking towards you, and you just have this overwhelming feeling that something is with you.
And that's happened to me and to multiple other people several times. But that's a really scary feeling because it felt like there was something in there and there was no explanation as to what was shuffling across the floor, no animals. It was like someone was wearing solid shoes, and they were like hesitant. They were like shuffling towards me, and then they would stop and then shuffle towards me. And then that actually really frightened me, and I was
like, okay, I'm leaving and I just walked out of building. Sounds absolutely horrifying. Yeah, what if they didn't we what do you think it would happen? I don't know. A part of me should have just stayed, but there's something super eerie about it. I just did not feel right. I know exactly. I was just saying that earlier, so it doesn't make sense, but for some reason it really irked me, and I just I just was like, okay, I'm gonna go now, thank you,
and I just walked up. You know, I've spoken to a lot of people about the Bigfoot thing, and you know, or told stories about things that have happened to me, and people say, oh, I would have done this, or if this happens to me, I would do this, And back in the day, I was guilty of that as well. You know, but nobody knows what you're really going to do until you're actually in that situation. So like, okay, either you're a talented and experienced a
paranormal investigator. That happened, you left, and you're saying, why did I leave? I don't know. You just never know what you're going to do. And I'm sure there's a situation where I'm out there, this has happened. I had a sasquatch near me, and I had a camera in my hand. Now this is mind you back in ninety nine or two thousand or something, a long time ago. But like, I left because I
was scared the hell out of me. Basically, you know, I scared the hell out of me, and even though I was there for that purpose, just you just never know what you're going to do until it happens to you. So anybody out there is I would have done this. That's cute. You keep thinking that. You keep thinking that until it happens to you, and then you tell me what you actually did. It just felt so real. It was just oh, I can still picture myself there. It's
so real. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. So you've looked into these shadow things like ghosts and spirit and like, have you ever worried about. Melissa talks about this, and only reason I know about it about something. What does she say, attaching to you and then you bringing at home? Has that ever happened? It's actually never happened to me, but it's happened to other
people I've worked with in the bar. Yeah, I situations. In the early days of Paranormal State, I remember doing really serious cases and then some of our cast members they all lived in a house together. I didn't, I lived elsewhere. But after real serious cases, they would all have experiences and it would seem like would follow them. But I've never had that happen. I think there was one case where something happened in my hotel room, but I mean, I don't know, maybe the room was haunted or I
don't know if it would pertain to the case. But I've never had anything follow me. So that's good, and I hope it stays that way. Yeah, that's one of the things that scares me the most about being even tangentially involved in any of this is something following me home a bigfoot. Again. I don't mind have them followed me back. I don't care. I live in the Great habitat, but as far as like the ghost stuff or I mean, and also here's another thing people throw around, the word demon.
It's like, why in the world are you messing with things that are even suggested to be demons whatever that means, Like why do you go down those roads as well? Or is there just no dividing line as far as
things that are spooking you can't see. So in the early days of Paranormal State, we were one of the show, the earlier shows that went down that road, and because you know, we worked with clients, we would get hundreds of emails from people who, you know, they were terrified to sleep in their home and some of it was some of it, I believe was them manifesting things to happen. Maybe they were going through like a stressful
time and they were causing objects to move. That's definitely happened. But we did deal with I was on a couple cases where we were dealing with people that maybe in the past they had unresolved trauma which left them vulnerable and maybe they never closed the doors to something. And we had a little lea some cases like that that were kind of scary. But I was maybe only on like two or three but it's definitely feels like a different vibe. I did
on one specific one. I remember we worked with Lorraine Warren a lot, and I remember her giving this client a holy object and he reacted in like a very negative way, and that was one of the first things I saw where I was like, oh, like you could tell his eyes were like changing. All I can say is you had to be there, which is so dumb to say. But we definitely did some serious cases in our early days. But I don't really deal with that anymore. I don't really take
on many client cases anymore. But did you ever feel like low self esteem because you didn't get something follow you home? Did you ever feel like, like, what's wrong with me? No? I never thought about that. But I don't know. Maybe I'm too positive or something, or maybe somehow I'm protected. I have no idea. You are a very positive person, you radiate it, so maybe that has something to do with it. Yeah, that's kind of the only thing unless they're just like, she's too weird,
We're not going to follow her, you know. So from doing these paranormal conventions whatever cryptid and paranormal conventions, the one person who impressed me the most, so I could tell like was like, I mean, she seen has some real insights and really saw dead people and all that was Amy Brune. Have you been out with her? You know, I've never worked with her, but I've chatted with her at events. I'd love to work with her. Yeah, she impressed me. Yeah, I think she. I
think she. I actually read her book and I remember her experience that kind of got her into all this was really interesting pertending to I think how she grew up in ye Johnny L. Tenney, Oh, I said, he goes, Yeah, she's the most impressive one out of the thousand paranormalists he's been out in the field. He said, she impresses him the most. He said that she's absolutely he said, She's one of four people he could say absolutely for sure is experiencing this stuff as she says she is. Yeah,
I believe it. Well, you know with that, why don't we close this session down. We'll hop over to the member section because I have a whole bunch of questions I want to ask you. You've been on a bunch of TV shows. I want to know your general thoughts on paranormal TV, if it's a good thing or bad thing, what direction it's going, what it's like to work on these shows, because we have our own thoughts on that we want to share with you. And then I want to know
such burning questions. As you know, I have some questions about roller skating, and frankly, this whole language barrier that I experienced with my wife, her being from Pittsburgh and me not being from Pittsburgh. I don't know what the hell she's talking about. Sometimes that's the word she's using. So I've got some questions about that too. You can help me with my marriage and help the communication we have between us. So if you can stick around for
a member section, we really love it. But before we go, you have a gig on Wednesday. Tell us about the gig on Wednesday and how people can go see you. November ninth through the twelfth, I'm going to an event in Virginia City, Nevada called Calm Con six. If anyone has it been to Virginia City, Nevada, it's one of the coolest places ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been there. Yeah, it's super cool. And I'm doing an event there with a group called Soul Circle Paranormal
like Aaron Saeger's is going to be their shape. Oh he's been on the show. He's a great guy. Yeah, so it's it's going to be really fun. I'm looking forward to that fantastic. How do they get information on that? There's a link on my website for it and on my social media as well. But if you go to Soul Circle Paranormal dot com and go to their events tab, it has all the information for tickets there. All right, So those links are going to be in the show notes here
and you can look down below. If you're listening to this on YouTube and for any more information about these events or Heather in general, you go to Heathertatty dot com. That's Ta d d Y is the last name, Heathertatty dot com. Heather, thank you so much for taking some time for us. We really appreciate it. Thanks Heather. Yeah, no problem, Bubbo, take us out of here and we'll hop over to the members section.
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