Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and raid it five stary and righteous. Go on USh today and listening watching limb always keep its watching. And now your hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. Good morning, Bobo, how you doing? Man doing okay doing okay? Good night Resk, beautiful sunny day. I'm looking forward to podcast today. It's gonna be a fun one. And of
course afterwards I get a couple hours off and then tonight. This is kind of fun. We know how the museum does. The NABC does a membership videos for our members, right, Yeah, we do two a month and they're always like our field research or deep dives into pieces of evidence or stuff like that. Except for the Halloween one. We released one in the mid part of the month, you know, the fifteenth or whatever approximately, and then the last day of the month. And of course the last day of
this month is Halloween. It's a big time of year around the Barrackman household. As you can imagine, Well, this is going nuts. That's how I talked to you. There's a bunch of heads. Yeah, there's a lot of severed heads going around, a lot of pumpkins. She figured out she can skull pumpkins out of spray foam, so we got a few dozen of those lining around the living room. There's a really big ones. There's like a three and a half four foot tall one taking up a lot of
space in the living room right now. And then she figured she made some sort of like bubbling lava sort of thing with skulls in it that she found a way to back light. Looks pretty cool. Actually, she's doing great stuff and anyway, blah blah blah blah, but anyway, Yeah, it's
Halloween season. So the last video of this month for the n ABC, just for fun, we're gonna do a ghost hunt, you know, and like all our ghost hunters and all that sort of stuff at the Bigfoot Museum, because everybody who works at the Bigfoot Museum except for me, has had weird stuff happened there and they're all convinced that it is haunted. So that's gonna be a lot of fun. So I'm filming that tonight. I've never
done a ghost hunt before, but Melissa has. She's actually gotten some pictures of some weird things too out there and her various ghost hunts had it in some big prison in Pennsylvania somewhere. I don't remember where it was. And of course we have a lot of ghost friends, you know that, all the people and all those ghost shows and stuff. We know a lot of those folks. So we're gonna kind of do a ghost hunt. And you know, I'm not expecting to get much, but I'm that kind of curmudgeon
that wouldn't be expecting to get that much. But everybody else is all fired up about it, and so I'm looking forward to that tonight. Can I do something new? Yeah, it'd be cool. Have you ever done a ghost hunt? Bobs? That one with Nick Groff on the Queen Mary? Oh, that's right. I was on that one too. I wasn't impressed with that one. I hate to say it. Nick Groff's a good guy,
but yeah, I wasn't that impressed with that. When the Pandora's Box came through or Pandora Radio, well, yeah, one of those what do they call it, is that a ghost box? Is that what they call those ghost box? Yeah? Like random radio waves coming through and it's like, you know, there's no way that a ghost that died in the eighteen hundreds, is gonna say something about SoundCloud or whatever or whatever it was.
You know that one didn't ever already lifted up the microphone like he'd like swipe it around across the surface at the table a little bit and go, and everyone be like that's a ghost, and I was like, dang, this is pretty bad. Yeah, it's like the Victorian era seances or something, you know, or they're just pulling the wool over people. I don't know, I don't know. I wasn't impressed with that particular one. But man,
ghosts happen. Real ghosts happen. I mean a lot of people might be shocked to hear cliffs say something like that, but yeah, I've had some ghost things happen, and I'd be more than happy to never have them happen again. It was gross, those hormid places. I mean, I know some of those places are hot. And you said, I've ever gotten go something like just that one time, But I've gone like with you know, growing up, I went to plenty of haunted houses and haunted places,
you know, and never had anything happen. But I just I just never really cared that much about their ghosting. It's like, I know they're real, I just don't want to mess with the other like just people that are stuck somewhere, like talking about their soul trapped or whatever whatever it is. Or there's some kind of entity you just met pretending to be there's somebody, and so I just don't want to mention it either way. Yeah, it seems like a kind of a dangerous thing to do. But then again,
maybe they're I don't know, who knows. Maybe it's just us talking to our back of our own head sort of thing. Who knows what's going on? I certainly don't. Well, that's the theme of today's podcast anyway, I think. I mean, if you haven't caught on yet, listeners, we're talking about spooky stuff. But we're gonna get into the Bigfoot spooky stuff in just a few minutes. So we have a few things I want to talk about before we jump into the regular part of the episode. I heard
a squatch two nights ago. That was what I was going to ask next. So you were out in the woods. I think your plan was to go to Bluff Creek. Tell me about your trip. I don't know if you made it there. I don't know what the fire situation was. I don't know the road situation, what happened, because that was the first order of business I want to talk to you about before we jump into the episode.
Yeah, so another with Pod Pizza is a guess. His cousin in law Chris, and we went out there and, uh, we're just getting out for a quick two night trip, you know, three days, two nights. We went up to it said seventeen percent chance of scatter charge with the two PM less than tenth of an inch. It rained for like twenty three hours out of twenty four hours of the next out of the next twenty four hours when supposed to be scot chars, it rained for twenty three of
those hours. We couldn't go anywhere in the bluff Cak drainage at all. It was all blocked off because of the fire camp. Even though it was it's pretty knockdown. We wanted to go see what the PG Seit was still there, but we were just like, so we said screw it. So we just went up up the Salmon River and we just took a turn off of both the Salmon went up in there and there was a place I knew about up kind of high. We went up there and it's a good spike
can call down into a couple of different drainages. But we didn't camp right we were the good calling spot was we had a camp further down and we camped out there. We went back and did some calls and it ended up being further than I thought. It was probably like three miles from camp. Four miles from camp at least. I was like, that's kind of far for them. Like two calls and go back to camp. That's what we ended up doing. There had been about a half hour break in the rain.
We had a couple of breaks, like twenty thirty minutes and you know in that whole time, and I went out and did calls during that time and then came back and we were hanging out for probably a couple of hours. We went to bed, like twelve thirty or something like that, and those guys were in bed already and I was I was up getting ready to go back in my tent, and it was you know, there was we
were under the tree. So there's these big drops coming down, you know, like those big plops like plus the rain, they got the big drips off the all the needles, and uh, you know, I was cent there. There was kind of like a little there was a there was a real light spring, like a real light drizzle. At that point, it wasn't too loud, and I just said this ooh, like I can't. It was like a yell that went into like almost like a yodl, but
it didn't yeoldle but like that yeolldo kind of tone. I was like, what the hell was that? And I was like, cause I was kind of hearing it. We were talking. I was like those guys going to we'll see guys in the morning whatever, and you know, just kind of joking around. I was hearing something the distance, but I was kind of not focused on it. And then I was like, wait a minute. I was like wait, quiet, quiet, And then I just hear it
again and it was a different call. All three were different. I heard three. I heard the second one real clear. The third one I heard clear too. They were distant, but they were they didn't you get that thing like that. It's just super powerful at the point of wherever it was, but you didn't. You were kind of far away, but you could
tell it was like loud and powerful. This didn't sound like that. It sounded like it sounded like it could have been like human size or something or maybe you know, bigger, but didn't see like one of those giant roaring just booming. But it definitely answered, and I was calling back to it. I thought I heard something once, so I couldn't tell what it was
if it was the same thing. And then I was like, I better shut upcause I did Like that was like I already done like three or four calls at that point, and I was like, I think I did four, and I was like on the fourth one, I was like, oh, I was dumb, my shit shut up when I was ahead. Then we don't know if we don't think anything came in the camp, because its probably picked up like a target ten or something like that, or you know,
came out or whatever. And uh, he forgot his kid. His kid went to like some music vessel or something took his sleeping path and didn't put it back, So we had no paths sleeping this like chunky like target tent and it just kept pouring and pouring, and so his tent flooded and he was laying on the ground wet. So he sat by the fire for the whole night pretty much, so he didn't he didn't notice anything come in. I was I didn't sleep much either that night after I heard that,
I was like, I was all jacked up. But it never came in that we know of. Is there a history of activity in this particular area where the thing was? We were like, uh, we're you know, we're Salmon River by SOM's Bar and all that. Yeah, but you mentioned that you knew this spot that you headed towards. That is that why you went to that spot because of some stuff that had happened before, or is a good camping area or yeah, yeah, it's her stuff there a couple
of times, I mean not a lot. I mean, dude, it was a shot in the dark. Like we I wasn't planning on going there. Todd and Doug got those guys we had on from the Bluff Creek snow prints. They were out kind of that general area three weeks ago, I guess now, and they found prints out there and they got a cast to one. So we weren't that exact spot, but we were out in that
kind of that vicinity, you know, than like five eight miles. But I mean it was just it was raining the whole night, whole day, and I was just like, this is you know, this isn't it's not going to do anything. And then where I did the calls was the calls came from the exact opposite direction, so I didn't hear us. It wasn't responding to my calls. It was just doing the spontaneous No I did I take it back. I did one call to the north, one call to
the south back in camp. Then after that, like, uh, I don't know how long it was after that, that's but it was, you know, a good twenty minutes or a half hour later that I heard the reply or I don't know if it was a reply, for it was just doing spontaneously. But yeah, I was like it was so you know, I mean I can hear it distinctly that it was. You know, it wasn't very loud, it was distant, but it was still. I got super jacked up, and I was bump because those guys haven't heard anything,
they haven't had any experiences yet. Well that's cool. I'm glad you got out, man. I'm glad you got out me too. We ended up coming back though, after just one day because we were so I just PAULI was frozen to the bone. I haven't been out for a night in a long time. Unfortunately, I've done a couple day trips, been nothing overnight. I'm going to try to sneak one in at the Bog or something.
Haven't been in the Bog at all this this this summer. They'd work in other spots, but some of my Keith and Nico went out there on Thursday and for nothing. But then another friend of mine got him. Alan went out there for Friday and Saturday, and he didn't hear anything, but something weird happened. He didn't camp buy his car he went, so he dropped by his car to pick up some beers or whatever. He was camping with
the sun. So they got a six pack whatever they did from the car like a right before dusk on Saturday, and went you know, shared it or whatever and enjoyed the star and moonlight and on this stuff and the family outing. And then the next morning they went back to the car. And then sometime during the night, even though it was deadly silent, nothing happened.
Sometimes during the night somebody something dragged a big log from down the paved road and onto the dirt road where they were parked, and then through the log in the brush about twenty feet from these guys cars, and it was a big, big, big drag mark. Very weird. I think it was a tree about They said it was about fifteen inches in diameter. Wow, very peculiar. And of course it brings me. It brings to mind immediately. You know that that picture from New Mexico where the thing is carrying
that big you know that twelve foot long log. Or we got two reports nearby. There was a report over by on Highway thirty five on the east side of mounta hood by was it Sherwood Campground. I think it's called a lady saw one two summers ago, I think carrying a big ass log across the road. Then I did another report over there by Barton Barton Organ on a place called a South Harding Road. I believe that lady saw one carrying a log as well. So like, what are they doing? What are
they carrying around logs for? Yeah, when I came back into town, I was getting the most texts I've gotten a while. I mean, when there's like a big big foot flop, I usually get, you know, like I'll get fifteen text saying or email is saying have you seen this? Have you seen this? Is this real? And the one I haven't got this much attention for probably six eight months or maybe a year almost would be the Colorado train video Oh yeah yeah on my phone in social media's and blown
up because of that as well. Everybody's so hopeful to get something good. But that wasn't it, man, That's a hoax. That's that's I think pretty clearly a hoax in my opinion. At least you know it was Chewbacca. It was just a Chewbacca costume modified a little bit, wasn't it. I don't think so. I don't think so. See, one of Matt
Prutz's friends actually did some digging. No, a good friend of mine, Jeff Smith, who's one of the co hosts of the Sasquatch Tracks podcast, which is a group of good friends of mine, and you know, I've
been a guest on there, Cliff's been a guest on there. Jeff was already aware of this company called Sasquatch Expedition Campers that was right outside of Silverton there, I guess technically in this Silverton area, and so he was aware of this company, and he figured out where the train video, like what part of this particular valley or mountain side the thing was seen on. And really I was like, oh, that's some really close proximity to this Camper
company. And so he went back to the Camper Company's website and there's a photograph of someone basically in that suit overlooking that same valley, and so he had reached out to them and said, oh, hey, you know what's up with all this, you know, and someone from the company had messaged him back and said something along the lines of, oh, yeah, Bigfoot likes to make appearances around here and especially for the train, with a little
like laughy emoji. Yeah, because I got another video from a train in a while back that was way blurred that when he couldn't see Jack. But I was like, well maybe, and then it looks so much like a I didn't know which costume it was for sure, but I was like, that's a costume. Well, I think we got the costume is the thing, And one of my Twitter followers, I'll give the guy a shout out
here. Let me look at the thing again. One of my Twitter folks out there or x or whatever, these people are calling it nowadays, God knows. JW. Skinner is this guy's name. He sent me a picture and I think it's the same suit, because as I mentioned, you know, I put the I think on a third in Twitter saying that's my opinion, this is fake blah blah blah, and he wrote back it is. We know the gentleman. They actually do a bigfoot train a couple times a
year, and here's the guy with the conductor. I just texted both of you guys the same picture. I also texted you a picture of a slightly cleaned up version of the footage. And look at the face. It's clearly the same the same suit, clearly the same suit. Now, I don't know if it's the RV Place because the RV actually RV Place put a thing on their social media saying it wasn't us, and you know what, do
you believe? Yeah, but the thing that they posted said it wasn't us, And there was a pair of clippers shaving off like ostensibly sasquatch hair. And then the next picture is one of the employees working on the camper, but he still has the feet of the costume on like it's a it's a wink. It's basically like a winking admission, or it's easy to interpret as a winking admission. It's either those guys or this train thing. Because that that mask in the picture I sent you guys, and we'll put it on
our We'll put it on our members section for the members there. That mask clearly matches the face. It's that suit. It has to be Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. We're talking about Teddy Roosevelt today because it's that spooky time of year, and so we thought, well, you know what, one of
the scariest stories in all Bigfoot is. One of the classics is one is the Bauman incident, which was told by Theodore Roosevelt, now Teddy Roosevelt, of course, former presidents and all that jazz. He's long gone, et cetera. I think his birthplace actually is a national park out there in New York, and they're actually members of the North America Bigga Center of my dad. Kind of cool or at least the guy who one of the guys who
runs it is. So we have some connections to the Theodore Roosevelt thing, and the bigfoot connection is a big one in bigfootland. Theodore Roosevelt had a book published. I think it was an eighteen ninety three if I remember right, it might be a year or two off. In eighteen ninety three, he published a book called The Wilderness Hunter, and it's a lengthy book about his adventures and all that sort of stuff. Because he's a rather prominent outdoorsman
back in the day, you know, So he wrote this book. It's many hundreds of pages long, but there's a section of it at the very end that he basically describes not his own, but someone else's very frightening sasquatch encounter. Now sasquatch, that word didn't exist. The word bigfoot then, it certainly didn't exist. That came much later, but certainly sasquatches themselves did
exist. They're perfectly normal animals. They've always been around here. And so basically Theodore Roosevelt ran into some dude named Bawman who told him a story. So we thought we'd do today in case you've never heard it, This story is written in like I said, eighteen ninety two, eighteen ninety three was published then, so it is well in public domain at this point, there's
no knowledge of this being in any copyright or anything like that. So we thought we'd take this opportunity to read you the story, do a read aloud today and then with our comments. Yeah, because Ivan Sanderson put that in the epic book Balminle Stoemn Legend comes to Life back in nineteen sixty one. That's when that got introduced into the world of the Bigfoot people. So it's
been a legendary story, like one of the classics of Bigfoot literature. Yeah, and of course Teddy Roosevelt having his name associated with it is it a certain level of credence and importance. And so we thought it would be fun episode today to read you that excerpt from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book where the Bauman story is contained, and we'll just kind of riff and comment on it because a lot of what he wrote about has later come to light as perfectly
normal Sasquatch behavior. This story resonates as strongly today as it does back then, but perhaps in a different way. Back then he described it as like a goblin or hobgoblin story, I think is what he said, just a ghosty sort of scary story told by some old grizzled woodsman. But now when we look at it through the lens of eight behavior and Sasquatch stuff in particular, it's like, oh yeah, yeah, they ran into a sasquad.
It's perfectly clear. So yeah, we thought that we would do that today for our listeners, in celebration of Halloween and Teddy Roosevelts and Bowman and everything spooky that goes in Bigfoot, because a lot of people do enjoy the Bigfoot subject just because it's kind of spooky. So you ready, Bob, should we jump in hit it? Maestro? All right, here we go. This is directly from Teddy Roosevelt's Wilderness Hunter book, and this is the Bowman
story. It was told to me by a grizzled, weather beaten old mountain hunter named Bowman, who was born and had passed all of his life on the frontier. He must have believed what he said, for he could hardly repress a shudder at certain points of the tales. When the event occurred, Bowman was still a young man and was trapping with a partner among the mountains, dividing the forks of the Salmon from the head of the Wisdom River.
Not having had much luck, he and his partner determined to go up into a particularly wild and lonely pass, through which ran a small stream said to contain many beaver. The pass had an evil reputation because the year before a solitary hunter who had wandered into it was their slain, seemingly by a wild beast, the half eaten remains being afterwards found by some mining prospectors who had
passed his camp only the night before. The Memory of this event, however, weighed very lightly with the two trappers, who were as adventurous and hardy as others of their kind. They then struck out on foot through the vast, gloomy forest, and in about four hours reached a little open glade where they concluded to camp, as signs of game were plenty. There was still an hour or two of daylight left, and after building a brush lean to
and throwing down and opening their packs, they started upstream. At dusk they again reached camp. They were surprised to find that during their absence, something apparently a bear, had visited camp and had rummaged about among their things, scattering the contents of their packs and in sheer wantonness, destroying their lean to. The footprints of the beast were quite plain, but at first they paid no particular heed to them, busying themselves with rebuilding the lean to, laying
out their beds and stores, and lighting the fire. While Bauman was making ready supper, it being already dark, his companion began to examine the tracks more closely, and soon took a brand from the fire to follow them up where the intruder had walked along a game trail after leaving the camp. Coming back to the fire, he stood by it a minute or two, peering out into the darkness, and suddenly remarked Bauman that bear has been walking on
two legs. Bauman laughed at this, but his partner insisted that he was right, and upon again examining the tracks with the torch, they certainly did seem to be made by but two paws, or however, it was too dark to make sure. After discussing whether the footprints could possibly be those of a human being, and coming to the conclusion that they could not be, the two men rolled up their blankets and went to sleep under the lean to. At midnight, Bauman was awakened by some noise, and sat up in
his blankets. As he did so, his nostrils were struck by a strong wild beast odor, and he caught the loom of a great body in the darkness at the mouth of the lean to. Grasping his rifle, he fired at the vague, threatening shadow, but must have missed, for immediately afterward he heard the smashing of the underwood as the thing, whatever it was, rushed off into the impenetrable blackness of the forest. And the night after this the two men slept but little, sitting up by the rekindled fire, but
they heard nothing more. In the morning, they started out to look at a few traps that they had set the previous evening and put out new ones. By an unspoken agreement, they kept together all day and returned to camp towards evening. On nearing it, they saw hardly to their astonishment, that the lean to had been again torn down. The visitor of the preceding day had returned, and in wanton malice, had tossed about their campkit and bedding,
and destroyed the shanty. The ground was marked up by its tracks, and on leaving the camp it had gone along the soft earth by the brook, where the footprints were as plain as if on snow, and after a careful scrutiny of the trail, it certainly did seem as if whatever the thing was, it had walked off on but two legs. The men, thoroughly uneasy, gathered a great heap of dead logs and kept up a roaring fire throughout the night, one or the other sitting on guard most of the time.
About midnight, the thing came down through the forest opposite across the brook and stayed there on the hillside for nearly an hour. They could hear the branches crackle as it moved about, and several times it uttered a harsh, grating, long drawn moan, a particularly sinister sound. Yet it did not venture near the fire. Well, that doesn't sound like a Sasquatch. I don't know what does. Man, Yeah, I'm imagining the Ohio. How when I hear him say that? Well, they specifically said moan, harsh,
grating, long drawn moan. That to me says a big old Ohio how or something to that effect. Anyway, I mean, how many stories have you heard of people getting freaked out around the fire and having to listen to these things yell at them and stuff. It's like yeah. In the morning, the two trappers, after discussing the strange events of the last thirty six hours, decided that they would shoulder their packs and leave the valley that
afternoon. All the morning they kept together, picking up trap after trap, each one empty. On first leaving camp, they had the disagreeable sensation of being followed in the dense spruce thickets. They occasionally heard a branch snap after they had passed, and now and then there were slight rustling noises among the small pines to one side of them. Again, very very typical Sasquatch behavior, pulling these things around. You know, these people came into the Sasquatch's
territory. The Sasquatch is clearly just keeping an eye on them, following them about and right in their traps. When we talked about one kid when we were down in the south, his trapline kept fitting rated like they would pull all the animals out. Then he finally found the big footprints there. Yeah, he saw the thing while he's doing a great footprint tracks, by the way, And also didn't that happened at that place where ken Walker heard from
that trapper dude, that's the same thing that does happened in there. We hear it. We've heard it like dozens of times. Yeah, at least I have sure. At noon, they were back within a couple of miles of camp in the high, bright sunlight. Their fears seemed absurd to the two armed men, accustomed as they were through long years of lonely wandering in the wilderness to face every kind of danger from man, brute, or element. There were still three beaver traps to collect from a little pond in a
wide ravine nearby. Bauman volunteered to gather these and bring him in while his companion went ahead to camp and made ready the packs. On reaching the pond, Bauman found three beavers in the traps, one of which had been pulled loose and carried into a beaver house. He took several hours in securing and preparing the beaver, and when he started homeward, he marked with some uneasiness
how low the sun was getting. At last he came to the edge of a little glade where the camp lay, and he shouted as he approached it, but got no answer. The campfire had gone out, though the thin blue smoke was still curling upwards. Near it lay the packs wrapped and arranged. At first, Bauman could see nobody, nor did he receive an answer to his call. Stepping forward, he again shouted, but as he did so, his eye fell on the body of his friend, stretched beside the
trunk of a gri rate fallen spruce. Rushing toward it, the horrified trapper found that the body was still warm, but that the neck was broken, while there were four great fang marks in the throat. Well, that doesn't jive very well at the Sasquader. That's the one thing that throws me off on the whole story. We'll get back to that in a minute after we're done here. The footprints of the unknown beast creature, printed deep in the
soft soil, told the whole story. The unfortunate man, having finished his packing, had sat down on the spruce log, with his face to the fire and his back to the dense woods, to wait for his companion. It had not eaten the body, but apparently had romped and gamboled round it in uncouth, ferocious glee, occasionally rolling over it and over it, and
had then fled back into the soundless depths of the forest. Bauman, utterly unnerved and believing that the creature with which he had the deal was some something either half human or half devil, with some great goblin beast, abandon everything but his rifle and struck off at speed down the pass, not halting until he reached the beaver meadows, where the hobbled ponies were still grazing. Mounting, he rode onward through the night until far beyond the reach of pursuit.
Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. All right, So let's take a closer look at the story here to kind of maybe not line by line, but things that grab my attention. And the first thing that grabs my attention is the opening line. Frontiersmen are not, as a rule, apt to be very superstitious. I disagree, and I understand his argument against it, but I disagree completely
with that one. I think that frontiersmen or woodsmen and all that sort of, you know, these are like sailors. Yeah, they do tend to be rather superstitious in a lot of ways. I think. Well, in the same breath, figuratively speaking, Roosevelt says, well, because of his German ancestry. He was, no doubt, you know, raised in an environment that was replete with superstitious stories, you know, goblin stories and specters and things like that. So those two statements are immediately at odds. That
doesn't change the story at all. That's just, of course Roosevelt's two cents, and maybe Roosevelt's two cents are only worth one. No, it's Roosevelt's three cents right right, So let's see what the next thing I want to talk about here, Well, let's talk about the setting, because obviously that's the heart of Sasquatch territory for the Inner Mountain West. I mean, there's still contemporary reports that come out of that region to this day. Yeah,
and it's still a very very wild area. This particular area is one of the only inland temperate rainforests in the world. In fact, get this spot kind of basically the panhandle of Idaho more or less gets almost as much rain as the coast of Washington does. It's beautiful. I saw a camp there with Flippany when we were filming Finding big footstells out for four nights without the crew and we were in the bitter in that area, and man, I
couldn't believe it. We were these lush it was a rainforest, and because you know, it's all desert down below there, like going to get down out too far gets pretty, you know, high desert. And I was like, my god, there was there was springs there where, there was ferns galore, and roadies, redinderans, and but just the amount of giant ferns blew my mind. And this was just water bowing on the ground all
over the place, very very wet area. You know. Later on in this story, Roosevelt does does what very what kind of a lot of skeptics to do nowadays, they kind of try to write it off, somehow,
write off somebody's perfectly normal observation. Is something much more mundane when he says that it may be that, when overcome by the horror of the fate that befell his friend, and when oppressed by the awful dread of the unknown, he grew to a tribute, both at the time and still more in remembrance, weird and elfin traits to what was merely some abnormally wicked and cunning wild beast. But whether this is so or not, no man can say, so, Yeah, he's trying to like discredit those like, I mean,
he might have just been scared, might have been remembering. It's more an exaggerated fashion than what actually happened. So yeah, so he was trying to he was a logical guy. Yeah, I suppose so. And of course, you know, another interesting thing about this story is that this particular pass had that reputation because somebody else had died there before torn apart. Torn apart.
Yeah, and a lot of these Sasquatch places even today, have sort of ill reputations where so and so was murdered there or is haunted, or they're the devil rooms there, or nobody goes in there because nobody comes out, you know, that kind of stuff. And so even back then places had scary, scary reputations, and a lot of times those scary reputations only because it had a couple of resident Sasquatches within. So, I don't know,
I think that's kind of interesting. I think it's worth pointing out that the setting as described is very consistent with the setting as described by not only witnesses who claim to have seen Sasquatches in the act of ambushing prey like deer or elk, or even wild hogs in other parts of the country, but also the sort of setting where people very often experience intimidation displays, and that being a small open clearing with steep slopes that are heavily forested on either side
and usually bisected by some kind of stream or creek. And so that's what he describes, that they found themselves in a small open glade, you know, an open beaver meadow, the rocky, timber clad ground being from there onward impracticable for horses, meaning it's steep. So there's you know, steep forested slopes on the sides of this small open glade or open meadow, and
that they're you know, being this creek, he describes it. The glade in which it was pitched was not many yards wide, the tall, close set pines and firs rising around it like a wall. On one side was a little stream, beyond which rose the steep mountains covered with unbroken growth of evergreen forest. And I actually have a list of reports of people experiencing intimidation
displays, and you read time and time and time again. You know, we found ourselves in a small open clearing, you know, basically in a bowl where there's high ground on all sides, heavily forested, sort of like if you can imagine being in an amphitheater and you're on stage and you know the seating around you, you know, there's there's no bad seat in the
house, so to speak, and so something like that. If they are ambush hunters or ambush predators using terrain to their advantage choke points, bottlenecks, et cetera, but also maintaining cover on high ground where they can see animals that are foraging in an open area so they can observe them from a distance versus in a dense forest. All of that jives perfectly in this story. Yeah, they do seem like those big bowl shape areas and they stay up
on the side and watch things wander through. I think of a lot of different locations that fit that description that I've run into sasquatches, including that one visual that I've had through thermal imager in North Carolina that was a big bowl shape place that was very very quiet, kind of interesting in that same way.
You know, another thing that I've found repeatedly in these intimidation encounters is the humans engage or conducting themselves in such a way that would lead an observing animal to think that they're not going anywhere, you know, through hikers tend to, you know, just constantly be on the move, and so if you're bothered by human presence, well you just wait a few minutes and the human's gone. But it's a different matter altogether when people sit down and take
off their packs. You know, the Meldrim's got that story from the Six Rivers expedition where they had stopped on the trail and taken off their packs to eat lunch and started having rocks lobbed at them from the forest. And so you see that in certain encounters where people stop and camp for the night,
whether they're pitching a tent or hanging a hammock. But this story really caused me to look into other accounts where people had constructed shelters, and those seem to be even more intense intimidation displays, because what would send a message more like hey, this is my home now than building a shelter in the environment,
you know, erecting some sort of like semi permanent structure. And so that element of this story you see echoed to this day in intimidation reports about you know, people setting up semi permanent structures in Sasquatch habitat and then being encouraged to leave of their own volition. Well, I will say that if somebody was walking down the road where I live, it's a private road, I would ask them, hey, who are you visiting? That sort of
thing. But if somebody came and pitched a tent, I would definitely throw rocks at it. Yeah. I imagine if they came and built a little house, Yeah, I would be throwing rocks all the way. Just go go, get the tractor and run it over pretty good. You would engage in wanton destructiveness absolutely of their lean to, Yeah, absolutely, especially if those like TV structures and something make our boundary markers for Sasquatch. What more could you be doing to piss them off? And putting up a lean to?
Yeah, something they might actually understand a little bit. So, yeah, this is mine. That might be getting more troll than the gunfire. But once again we see that there's no violence until the gun shot right and the Ape Canyon that that happened, the bowman in city, and whenever there's some sort of fatality or real scary sort of damage or violence. It almost always is set up by a gunshot earlier. Just it goes to show man, I wouldn't be one. I wouldn't want to be one of these people
hunting one. I'll tell you that. How scary would that be? The Actually I hit it, it ran away, and now I've got to be here for the next eight hours. Oh man, horrifying. See that's the horror movie that needs to be made, for sure. I like that. I like that line though, when it was Bauman that bear has been walking on two legs. Yeah, and it's like, what, I don't know you have? Bauman laughed at this. That's the next line in the story right there. But yeah, yeah, it did seem to be made,
but didn't made by two paws or feet. I don't think that line would be in there. And if they looked like bear tracks, no, this thing just screams bigfoot. Yeah. Then they a few lines later after discussing whether the footprints could possibly be that of a human being, and well, why would that discussion be there if we're talking about a big brown bear. You know, it just doesn't make sense. They must have looked a lot more like human prints than a regular brown bear. Would you know, and
just of brown bear even in that area today. And then of course he goes on a few moments later in the story, he is awakened by some noise and then his nostrils were struck by a strong wild beast odor. Well there you go. About ten or fifteen percent of sasquatch reports have that smell associated with it, and it's right here in the story, right here. Then he saw the loom of a great body in the darkness. That's a sasquatch, you know, a loom of a great body unless the bear's standing
up. But it must be standing up because it's walk around on two legs, right yeah, And then of course he fires at the thing. Oh cost his friend's life. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. So it comes back the next day because the people haven't left yet. And of course this poor sasquatch is probably just defending its hunting area. Of course, these poor people took they
should have just left to get the hint. You know. I'll tell you, like if I was out of one of these spots that I go to and something came in and messed up all my camp while I was out. I don't know if I would stay. Yeah, it's easy to say you
would, but it depends like how violent it is. You know, like if you got heavy things that are like smashed and thrown up in trees and that sort of stuff, and you got your yetti cooler like torn in half and like really violent stuff, like I'd be a lot more intimidate than just like stuff you know, messed up, but really like violently ripped apart and chucked and snapped. That'd be a whole another level. So the next night they're scared, right, so they get a bunch of They get a bunch
of firewood and keep the fire blazing all night long. And the thing comes back after midnight at some point, and it's on the opposite that sounds probably just the opposite of the brook. So there you have the castle and moat thing where the sasquatches keep some sort of barrier between you and it all the
time. And it stayed on the hillside for about an hour, they say, and they can hear the branches crackle as it goes back and forth, and then it starts saying the long, sinister moan rating long drawn out moan. These guys can't take a hint. Apparently sasquatches don't speak English, but they're very, very effective communicators. These guys should have known better. And of course the next morning they said, yeah, let's get the hell out
of here, and so they do, or they try to. At least one guy never made it out, as we know, we just heard the story. But yeah, so they go out and gather all their traps, and of course what do they have? A sensation of being followed. In fact, he even says a disagreeable sensation of being followed. So they were
scared. I imagine the hair was raising on the back of that. They felt like they're being watched, the whole nine, like all those typical copy and paste sort of sasquatch descriptors when people don't see the sasquatch in the woods, but they know it's there because they can feel it somehow. Probably some sort of consequence of info sound in my opinion, but who knows, who
knows what that is? That could be that thing that you know. It could be that they give off a pheromone, they're scent, that trigger's off something in our primitive brain from when we evolved ut to these guys and competed with them like that that could send that same sensation of hair up Pilo eruption.
Yeah. I like how the men kind of write it off once once it gets daylight two, because I see that again and again and again, Like people come in the museum, like if I saw one I do this say, well, that's all nice and cute to say, like in the daylight inside of a store, but when you're out there in the dark alone or with one other person, you really don't know what you're gonna do. It's it's easy to be a tough guy when you're in the daylight, you
know. I know because I am one in the daylight, right, Yeah, we all are in the daylight. Sure. People ask me like, have you ever been scared, and said, dude, if you haven't been scared, like you're lying, you know, mind to yourself or mind to somebody else, Like it's scary out there sometimes when they're around. Just trying not to let fear stop you from doing anything unless it's tremendously stupid. That doesn't stop me. That's just wisdom stopping you. Yeah, never stopped me
before. Okay, so then he gets back to camp, of course, and then he doesn't see anybody until he sees that his friend is already dead. His neck had been broken by the way, which is a chimpanzees, and right, the necks of their pary deer are found with broken necks, and elk are found with broken necks, possibly done by sasquatches, So it makes sense that his friend would be killed that way, right, or it
could be at least so he found his body. But the thing is like, okay, there's there are fang marks in the throat, you know, like some sort of beast got it. That doesn't sound very sasquatchy to me, because sasquatches don't tend to have long protruding canines. They tend to have flat teeth more like human beings in that sort of way and the other eight species. But they may but those these big ones. Doctor John Binnernoggel actually
pointed this out in one of his books. Protruding canines might be a sexually dimorphic trait, like these really big male sasquatches might have these sort of things. So it's possible, but that doesn't sound that doesn't ring as true as some of the other stuff does, and it might have just been added, you know, like pronounced they're more like pronounced io teeth like kind of small
tusk kind of they're not like fangs like a wolf thang. No. No, And you know, this might have just been added a little bit to add to the drama of the whole thing. And after all, he is telling a quote unquote goblin story, as he said, So yeah, maybe maybe that has something to do with it. I don't know the part about how it romped and gambooled around it and the ferocious glee rolling over and over
it. Like there's a lot of predators that do that, you know, when they kill something, they'll get all hyped up and thrash it, roll on it and roll on it. You know, cane IINs will do that. I think some of the big cats. Now, ma'am, mind you, of course he didn't see the animal do that. He's reading the sign. It's entirely possible that the sasquatch dragged the guy all around and beat him, like, you know, beat him against the ground or something like.
You know, for sure, you could do anything if you're a twelve hundred pound sasquatch and with this little two hundred pound person, you can just throw him around and beat him against the ground and do whatever you want to do with him, like like a rag doll. So he might have been just reading the sign wrong, because how does he know about the gleefulness of the
assailant? You know, that's that's interpretation, that's not observation. It just means it was like the amount of exertion put into it, you know what I mean, like it was going out full force, I thinkus he was implying, right, maybe, yeah, entirely possible. Yeah, And then of course Bauman bailed essentially. And I guess the last thing of interest in here is like he described the animals either half human or half devil, some great goblin beast. Well, okay, I can see how any of those
words might be attributed to a sasquatch. And certainly, like just by looking at a few maps of Bigfoot territory, you're going to find things like Devil's Ridge or Devil's Creek, or Devil's half acre or double this double that. You know, there's even a few monster references here in Mountain National Forests, like a Ogre Creek down on the calaw Wash River. Well, how many ogres are out here? You notice how he left everything behind. I mean
how often you've heard that? I mean I've done that. It was so freaked out you just grab like whatever. Like he just got his rifle mounted and wrote off these guys, you know, like that's a big deal to all your beaver hives behind. You just spent all this time getting out there, and the sasquatch is so intimidating what they do that you just fully and abject horror. A good friend of mine actually abandoned his camp after getting scared
out of an area just last year, actually last October. He left everything there, including several thousand dollars of photography equipment. There's been a couple of times. One time in particular, very far off trail, kind of near
the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River, we found an abandoned camp. It's just a single tint, but it looked like two sleeping bags in there, and camp tools, sterno sort of stove fuel, you know, a whole host of supplies just entirely abandoned, and they all looked very new, So it looked like someone had just up and vanished leaving hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth
of camping gear there. It could have been someone growing weed out in the woods and like they heard a helicopter coming down low, or they heard sheriff's coming, they just a bolted that there's a weed garden nearby that you didn't see. Well, I've been to this place like many many times, and that's why we were just going back to a place we had been many times
and just found this tent and these supplies like that. Were like, oh wow, you know, it's something frightened someone enough to leave and not come back for all this stuff. So it's entirely possible. It just definitely makes you wonder what could have happened that would scare someone badly enough to abandon that much gear and never come back for it. Because it was there for months, you know. I took other people to go look at it for months
afterwards and it was all still there. There's one of those not far from where we've been pulling all these footprints down in an out in Moundhood National Forest. Yeah, like one ridge over but the same creek bed. There's an abandoned camp right there with a couple of tents and a couple of sleeping bags and I stumbled upon it and I said, and God, there're gonna be bodies in these, So I had to go kick the stuff to make sure
there are no bodies in there. So kind of a bum out when you have to go explore an abandoned camp to make sure there're no dead people there. That imagine where we were in Indiana. Down there, so Indiana the uh kind of in the second thing of the forest, but where we set up that camp with like people sleeping to lure in the big Foot and look like murdered murdered people in the camp. Oh yeah, Yeah, we put
those mannequins and stuff out. We ran into like a regular hikers on the trail and we're carrying mannequins out into the woods like a mile off trim. What what did they think? It's like, what are these guys up to? Well, then some other people walked by and actually walked by when they was set up. Remember in the Yeah, the head was coming off the one mannequin with the wig leg, all the strew and stuff like, they
were like, like, what's going on down there? They're pretty tripped out, Like there's all these people laying out in a camp with like four mannequins, three or four mannequins set up around a fire, and there's like one guy sitting in the chair next to them. Oh, man, they have a good story. I wonder if that story ever has been told with their friends, you know, funny stuff. Yeah, well, there you have it. Man. The Bauman story probably one of the scariest Bigfoot stories,
certainly one of the most famous. It's considered a classic. You can read the thing in its entirety on Bobby schortz old website. Bobby, of course has passed away now, but her website is very rich with information. Bigfoot Encounters dot com is where we read this one from. Actually fantastic website, great resources. There's some factual things in here that you should always double check with other books and whatever else, But for the most part, it's a
great, great resource. It was my first bigfoot website. It was the first bigfoot website that I bookmarked. Who went back to repeatedly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, she did a great job. She did a fantastic job. Have you seen our copy of The Wilderness Hunter at the museum, Bobs, No, it's pretty cool. I got an original pre first edition copy of The Wilderness Hunter. It was published in eight nineteen or eighteen ninety two or three or something like that. Yeah, and this particular copy that I
got is a pre first edition. You know how like nowadays, maybe before a book comes out, you might get sent a link to the PDF of a book that you can look at it. What Back in the day, they would do a small number of pre prints that they would give out to journalists so they could review the book before it came out to get some buzz going. And I somehow managed to stumble on an original copy of one of
those. So in the museum we have the book opened and it's under glass, of course, because we don't people touching it, and you know it's from the early eighteen you know, eighteen eighty eighteen nineties rather, so we have a pre first edition copy of the book as well as an analysis of the text itself on display at the NABC. So it's kind of cool. That's cool, that's really cool. Yeah, Yeah, they did have some. I went to one of these antique books websites, you know, we
can buy these things. They had autograph copies too, at those like three thousand dollars, I think, well, now I've got I've got the rest of the museum to build too. I can't afford that, right, But yeah, there you have it, man like one of the one of the best, you know, goblins sort of stories out there about sasquatches. And of course there are plenty of other scary stories as well. Maybe we can touch on some of those in the members section here coming up in a few
minutes. But yeah, bigfoot can be a very very scary thing, especially if you don't know these things are out there. Knowing that they're real animals takes away some of the fear but replaces it with some other stuff, because I know, you know, brown bears are real as well. May scare the hell out of me, right, but it doesn't scare scare the hell out of me in a sort of superstitious, spooky sort of way, just like, oh yeah, I don't want to be eaten by that, because
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