Big food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, So like Shay, subscribe and read it. I stre and me us today and listening watching always keep it Squatchy and now your hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay. Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing today? Good? He just got back in town. Huh Yeah, I was in Mexico for a week fishing. Man. It was awesome. It was a much needed and deserved rest, in my opinion. You're coon in the
Toronto's Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. We went to my neighbor Gary, who I've spoken about before in the podcast. Actually one of his friends listens to the podcast and brought it up to Gary that day. Hey, I've heard about I heard you're doing this, Angreys. What are you talking about? Yeah, because Gary's a private guy or whatever. So yeah, but like some of his friends, I've actually listened to the podcast and brought it up to him. He's kind of surprised at that, say, hey,
man, you're famous. He lived down the road for me. That who he had asking this is Saul. Oh he really does. Gary's much more of a man than any anyone that has a past. Yeah, absolutely, especially anybody with the podcast. We're a soft folk. But anyway, I'm sure Joe Rogan would want to kick my ass over that. Nonetheless, nonetheless, hopefully I'm sure he doesn't listen. So yeah, I went down to Mexico for a week because you know, you know, you've known me
for a long time. Boo, Like a lot maybe a lot of people don't realize. I used to work in fishing tackle stores and Long Beach, California and Seal Beach. My first job was Anglers tackle Box and Seal Beach on corner Marina Drive and PCCh down there, and then I've moved from there
over to the Fisherman's Hardware in Long Beach down in Temple and Anaheim. That's actually where I my my my enjoyment of beer was born because we were right next to the legendary bar Joe Jost in Long Each, California, which is an awesome bar. It's still there. Then when we used to have to work late, you know, we worked real late during the summer, like you know, till eight o'clock at night or something. We usually close at six, but between six and eight, you know it's pretty busy, but
later on in the season, No you don't, that's staying in. Sorry, No, I appreciate you for who you are. Bobs. Yeah, So during that time of year when I got a little slow, but we still had to work late because I hadn't change of winter schedule yet, we'd do two minute schooner breaks where we'd you'd have to leave the store, go next store. We leave Fisherman's Hardware, go to Joe Jos, sit at the bar, order a schooner of beer, drink it, and be back
within two minutes or you had to buy the next round. Oh. Needless to say, we didn't get a lot of stuff done during those last hours or two, you know, but there was a great time. That's why I like beer in general. But anyway, Yeah, I went down to lave Antana, lave Antana, which is about forty five minutes south of La Pause on the inside of the Baja California California dates or sour like southern state of Baja California, and fish with this awesome fishing guy named Kamalleon, which
means chameleon in English. So yeah, I went down there and we limited out on dorato every single day, usually by eight or nine in the morning, and they're pretty big fish or like maybe twenty five or thirty pounds, like the bigger ones. Most of the ones we uh most of the ones we caught were twelve to fifteen or something like that. But you know, drato are real thin, skinny fish, so they look a lot bigger than
they actually weigh. I think probably the biggest fish that we boarded was about twenty twenty five, but we hooked up a couple of bigger ones and dumped them. But nonetheless, it was a great trip. Caught some pargo like yellow snappers and pargos and rooster fish and jack cravelle and yeah, I got the brush off my Spanish chops and lay it down for a week. Then it was awesome. I love speaking Spanish. It's it's it's a lot of
fun. I'm not very good at it. Uh so fluente no si fluente, but oh I can change my I can change the words around to say what I need to say. By the end of the week, I was understanding Spanish a lot better. It was it was a blast man ninety five
degrees or oh you know what was cool about it two bobs. You've been to Baja before, but you know, it's a pretty It's completely desert, right, But that hurricane came through a couple of weeks ago, and then the week after that there was a huge trenchill downpour in the area with flooding and whatnot, which is and of course good. But what it did do is make the entire peninsula green. It was super, super green, and their flowers were blooming, and you could see the smell of flowers in the
air and the desert and their animals. It was fantastic. Man. So got the fish for about four days and came back Sunday night around eleven o'clock. And now I'm working every single day for the next week. So I've been done there for a long time. I loved it. I'd like to go down again, maybe a different time of year, you know, I'd like to catch a wider variety of fish. I understand spring is particularly good in the area. So we'll see what happens, man, We'll see what
happen. I've spent about over two years of my life in Mexico mostly bought well in mainland and Baha mostly. Did you ever go down that far where you're up north further. Drove down there a couple times. Nice little slice of paradise, man, super good, super good. Loved it. Yeah, I went snorkeling and caught little baby fish from the shore and little cabrillas and stuff like that from the shore. It was great, man, it
was great. But back to work, back to Bigfoot. I get a ton of reports coming in from as usual, you know, September October, just pouring in photos, track finds, lots of vocalizations, people are hearing sightings. Just it just always all over North America. It's just primetime. Everyone just picks up right now. Yeah, it seems fall is always a
really good time. And I don't know if that's because people are out in the woods enjoying the last gasp of summer, or if the animals are more mobile or something this timing year, or deer and elk hunting is a big part of it has to be, has to be, But I mean, I don't know is it is it deer or elks and right now it must be it's fall, But I don't know any of that starts or whatever. Yeah, I'll see you a little bit later, but I'm sure it's hoping
somewhere, but yeah, it's dear right now. For a lot of places, like where do they have like you know, just a place of our tree until like end of August or whatever you like. Just depends where you are in the country, part of what state you're in, like what part of that state. It varies, but that's generally how it goes. Yeah, I love you said that it's Elk season somewhere. I mean it's like saying, yeah, it's five o'clock somewhere. Yeah, looking for an excuse.
Nice. Yeah, Well, we're back on it right now. I'm back from vacation. We've got some great episodes coming up in the next couple of weeks. But this one right here is going to be our Q and A for August. Of course, we're going to start with the questions that our audience has given us, and then we'll sign off in about an hour. I think it's September, Cliff, is it? Oh gosh, darn it, it is September. You're right, Bobs. Where does the time go? But yeah, September, So September Q and A. Oh screw
up, man, Let's do the August Q and A again. This show is just going to be a repeat of last month. That was a popular one. It was a really good one actually, But now what we'll do a new one just for our listeners. Yeah, for no one else but anybody who listens. So yeah, we're gonna take questions from our our audience, and then about an hour or so we're going to sign off and then
just take our questions from our members. If you want to be a member of Bigfoot and Beyond, what you get is basically an extra of forty five minutes or an hour of Bobo and I yapping at each other every single week. We're a little looser, I mean we're looser now on this podcast, and we ever were on Finding Bigfoot, as you know if you've been listening. But on the members we get even a little loosier, loocier, yeah, lucier, a little bit more like Lucy, and we say all sorts
of things and whatever else. But anyway, if you want to do that, you can go to Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot com and hit the membership button, or the lovely and talented Matt Pruitt will certainly put that link in the show notes below. But here's a question here, actually here's the deal before we even answer you a question. If you want to ask us a question, it could be about anything at all big Foot related, personal life, imaginations, fears, goals, et cetera. Anything at all you like.
You can do that. You can either write us add a big Foot and Beyond podcast. You just go to the website big Beyon Podcast dot com and hit contact, or if you do hit If you do that, go to big Foot Beyond podcast dot com and hit contacts. There is a special button there where you can leave a voicemail for us if you'd like to hear your voice on the air asking us a question. So I would recommend you do that because it's fun. That's how I get my questions in exactly exactly.
So yeah, let's jump into the questions, Bobs. Shall we hit it up for Maestro? Hit it Maestro? Hey, Cliff, Hey, Bobo. My name is Matt and I live in Arcade, to California in Humble County. I had a friend in the early two thousands who was living up in Orleans, California. He was telling me a story about two Sasquatches that were wrestling and they knocked the shed off the foundation. All have said
that Bobo spent some time up there too. I'm just confirming this story and seeing if it's true or Bobo, if you remember anything about that situation. Anyway, I love the podcast. I love you guys. Keep on doing what you're doing and keep it Quietchy that's on you. Bob's yeah, I remember. I know what he's talking about it. I know. I'm pretty sure I know which guy he's talking about, too, a buddy of ours.
I wasn't. I didn't see the shed and all that stuff, but I remember him coming down one day because you know, it was obviously like a weed farm out there. And this is back when you still guys aren't really just growing in their yards, like they were still hiking out and going on four service land or timber company land, and you know, of their own properties, so they didn't trying to get it seized or anything like that. They'd go out there and he's coming back one time, at like dusk,
it was just getting dusk. He had a real scary encounter and then he started noticing that to that point, he's like, dude, you're right there here. If that's the same guy he's talking I think it's the same. It is the same. Actually no, I honestly I thought it was a red cap. But oh, okay, wait if he saw about the Oh he's talking about a whole different thing. I was thinking on the other side of the river. Yeah, exactly what he's talking about. I mean,
I'm right, I have such a bad memory. I'm correcting Bobo's memory now. Yeah, you know what they said, trailer. It wasn't a I thought he said, shid, it wasn't a shed due it was a freaking single wide mobile home on the foundation. It was on a perimeter foundation.
It sound like a bowlder rolling down the hill and it slammed into the side of the trailer and it's so hard, and the whole thing got shifted over about probably about three quarters of an inch inch on the on the whole, that whole half of the trailer got shoved over like a good almost an
inch on the foundation. Not bad. Yeah. That's also the place where the four three sets eyes with one set poking up behind the smaller eyes the second small There was three sets eyes like when was about eight eight and a half but up the room was probably close to seven somewhere around there six and a half seven. Their sids was in between probably seven and a half or
something, but so there was three sizes. But then the second smallest eyes he saw a really smaller I was small in the restaurant down like below five feet would poke out from behind it like it was poking up behind the mom or whatever older sibling or whatever it was, and the guy just goes. He charged, He charged him, and he had the spot in his hand, and the spotlight went up and down like as he started to run. They jumped, you could. You just saw like they were black. That's
all you could tell. As there was black further and they jumped. They just jumped back in the dark. And then the so fast they were going up the hill so quick beause it was unbelievable how fast they were. You couldn't see the thing besides their eyes show. That's how something. I couldn't tell they were glowing or not. But there was a like a sixty watt bulb on like I don't know, probably one hundred and twenty feet away or
something like that, one hundred and thirty feet away. So I guess that because there's a light miss in the air and their eyes and that was the only thing that the dude was colorblind. He was he saw like what he interpreted the color was was different. Like what I saw was a yellowy orange. There's some green tints in it sometimes, and the girls saw green yellow.
We all saw a different color or we interpreted a different color. Well, to be fair, yellow green and green yellow are pretty close to the same thing, right, Yeah, but there was there was like it was
like orangey, like a fiery orangey red. Some of it like it just funded like when they moved their head around a little bit, but there was a slight mist and it looked like there was like a little bit of like you could actually see like like you know, in your head lighter in the fog, you can see like the you can see the miss lighting up.
It was doing that a little bit, like a faintly, faintly, faintly just ever so suddenly off their eyes, like the reflection or whatever was because I don't yeah, I think if there were glowing people said they're dark deep red when they grow. They weren't doing that they're so it must have been reflection. But yeah, it was a crazy man that it saw like a boulder rolled down the hill and slammed into the trailer. This guy he wasn't
doing a big weed. This guy was a car builder. I was going, I was going into the business with him, dude doing etsuls and oh god, what's the other one? I can't think there's a car cover there was in the fifties went out the business like late fifties, really sixties. But they had a bunch of killer Constant packards and he was he was working doing custom building, custom package like jay Leno, people like that. So I took some money and invested them to buy some frames and get all the
equipment up there. Then they started telling me about this, like they were living up there, him and his girlfriend there. They weren't like outdoors people. Really, they weren't it all there from the city. They can't tell me all these crazy sounds they're here. And I'm going, like, they're hearing mountain lions, you're hearing bobcats, you're hearing foxes, you're hearing owls, you're hearing that. His girlfriend was telling me one day, she goes,
yeah, the Indians up here are weird. It's right outside of Orleans. She goes, yeah, the Indians are weird. They're throwing their like talking gibberish and like throwing sticks at me in the daily and like little pebbles that when I'm cleaning the garden area. And then she said, she goes, oh, she goes, You're right, it wasn't. It wasn't Indian source stuff. I mean, she goes, it was. I saw it was a bear. It was a bear. That was was black bear.
It stands up and throws it underhand, Like how's it though? When she's she's like a softball picture you like underhand she had just sow. Doesn't try to hit me, just throw them around me. So anyways, they kept to me all this stuff was going on. I kept saying, like, you guys are tripping, because I was there when bartowl was kicked off one evening and they both shot up like eyes big. I'm like, you're hearing they go, we hear that sometimes like lots of how that's for sure.
And now then they also didn't know what a fox sounded like, so I was like that. I was like, that's a fox. So anyways, but then they were talking about these screams and howls at night that were different. I thought, you guys, because I did hear a cougar up there one time when they weren't there. I was just coming back from I was I stopped by the you know, see if they were around when I come
back down from bluff. Yeah, So that that was like that was the most active place I was ever approached me around like they were coming around a lot for a while. Stay tuned for more big Foot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages, that's right. I also or Malagi. I had the recording then all that's when my house got program joll. My recordings got storm but I had just audio only, but
I played it from Belgium. You could hear the double slap feet like the hinge foot like here s a slaps a slap when they ran, you could hear a double slap. And they were so fast. One thing I took away from it there was how fast, like just insanely fasting? Were than also that they want to talk about, So that seemed paranormal. Maybe was listen to this one my buddy never say I I well, okay, the backtrack. When I first heard out there there was big Foot's up there.
He shoot up at my house at like seven thirty in the morning going dude, Dude, I told you there's footprints up there's footprints up there on what he's dude, there's big foot tracks on the property right now, going through
the firewhere they were burning a butch. H just the places overgrown. It been abandoned for eleven years, dude, and the big foots were living on the property and they were Actually there was an old I wish I still had those samples, but there was an old abandoned not abandoned, but there was an old travel trailer that they turned into like you know, full time housing. And the door was when they bought the property of the door was wide up and the sunglass door was wide up, and it was like could be
an open for a few years. There's these big like betting areas and they're like, well the floor was sagged in like looked like bodies we've been laying down And I was like, no, wait, this is so I went I went to I went and bought a cam quarter that before I went up there like that. When I went had drive around like four places. I ended up going to South Arica to try to find I was living in Arcade
at the time. I had to go down to south the Rica to finally find a place had a a cam quarter and I jam up there in the batteries weren't charged. We ran in and plugged it in. There's like about twelve twelve thirty in the afternoon, wins were starting to pick up and in the in the ashes of the burn pit where these two perfect tracks, perfect
like full like Hereford tracks you know from Washington. Those Hareford tracks look which is like those little block You're not quite as long, but pretty close they
are. They're about an inch shorter than his. And there was one two across and they went over to where a rat trap was because they were stealing the rat traps were getting set off and all the gummy because I gave him a bunch of I was kind of funding the operation, so I dropped them off like rat traps and mouse traps and with like a gummy drops grammy bears
and Steve and put them on there. Whatever it was was walking around the stick and sitting off the traps and taking the gummy bears off all the traps. Well, when we first I put out when we first did that, when it first started, that was the first time I put out a rat trap and it looked like the thing it looked like the what we're guessing is the rat trap got him on the finger or something, because it turned around, straddled the rat trap and took a crap over it, a huge dump
as one does. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that place was. That place was wild, man like. That's also the place. Oh yeah, the back porch. The back porch was really starty. It was all two by sixes, it was. It was built ahold of hot tub and stuff, and it came up on the side of it was a sighing glass door in the single wide and the single lady was it was older, but it was it was decent. It was fine. It was you know,
typical older like twenty thirty year old trailer, you know. But anyway, so there was this giant handprint smeared down the side of the glass the siding glass door, like a huge one, dude. And the thing it's it opened. The door came in the whole floor to the floor, the floor and the floorboard, the subfloor. Everything in the trailer was collapsed like something super like. I mean, I was like two fifty two sixty. Then I'd walk in another like there was no sign of like a weak floor,
nothing like it was no, nothing out of the ordinary. This whole floor section was collapsed. Whatever it was was so long and tall, could reach over to the fridgerator, open the fridge. I was putting bait there because I was putting bait out for it every night. And it reached over and was able to pull the bait out, like smoked salmon and stuff like that out of the fridge and took off, and the girl I was like,
oh my gosh, insane. So I went I was. I was like, I gotta get a finger lifting, get a cop or someone to come up here, and left this prince. I gotta figure out how to left. I know you could lift prince. And I was, okay, I get the prince that I left off. Her parents were coming on the next day to visit, and she didn't want to freak them out, so she she scrubbed off the big hand smear down the that slid open the side blast where there was two actually two hampers. One was perfect and you see the
whole all five fingers. It was giant, dude. It was like it was like thirteen inches from the bottom of the palm to the top of the middle finger thirteen and a half inches I think it was fourteen inches. And then it was each finger was his wide. It's two of my fingers together. I mean it was. It was massive. It was, it was massive, and so I was super pissed about that. And then yeah, so the people that were living there, Dude, I didn't realize it.
In hindsight, I should have known. But the guy started tweaking and he got all met out and then there was no the one the guy was carrying the note, the guy that sold the property. It was cheap too. Back then it was like one hundred and nine grand for thirty or whatever. It was twenty five acres. So he was, he was there, and I didn't realize it, but he started getting weirder and weirder and weirder. There was no cats out on the property because the guy on the property I
was carrying the note was Audubon Society guy big. He was a birdwatcher, actually came out of here for was birdwatching, and he put in all this indigenous I mean not indigenous, well, yeah, like native plants for specifically for the birds. And the whole thing was set up as a bird sanctuary.
And I put up you know, was like whatever I think the closing costume at the places, like sixteen grand, and then I bought another fifteen grand and tools and stuff like that, so so I had some money invested into it, and I was paying all the monthly the monthly bills while he was starting to work on the cars. But then they got all freaked out by the big foot thing, just kind of particular everything off track then. But they decided she wanted to have a kitten, and they were at the
store. There's someone had a kitten outside of the given away caps at the store, so she took one, knowing that that was immediate end of the contract with any cats on the property. Then she got another cat, so she had two kittens out there. The guy and he said he was gonna come visit us sometime the next month. And he shows up and there's two
cats there and he just well that was it. Greeveance over and the guy that was on the draw, the guy I was working with, he just took all the tools, dude split took everything and stuff out them borrow like and just split the county like disappirited somehe over an Oregon and I got left holding the bag and just got nothing because like there was like the they were seeing the contract. It was no cats. A lot of you lose your the deal's off and there's everything you put into it. I was like,
that's new problem. So we're not gonna have a cat. Sure enough, she gets a cat up there and yeah. But that was a place where there was this big, big bush. It was down below and the trash it kept about, the trash gettings taken. Well. I went down there, I tracted it down in there where I was going, it was this big and they'd snapped off all it was this big looking like a giant mushroom. I can't remember kind of bush it was, but that those big foots
had snapped off the inside. There was like a huge room inside like about almost six foot high, like six and a half foot high, similar spots like it was. It wasn't semestrical. I mean it was a bush when it was uneven, but dude, every there was piles and all these empty trash bags and there not all those probably six or seven of the not full sized garvernage bags, but like the I think they're seventeen gallon ones for trash,
like smaller trash cans thirteen gallon whatever. There was a bunch of those. They were emptied out and you can see where he's like whatever. They would sort everything by texture, like the texture they feel like it was plastic or fabric, and then color and shape. It was I've seen other people something like, yeah, this is what this big it's been doing. It's like it's just weird. It looks like a really weird person did it.
I'm every sort of going like wow, like look at it. There was also electronic parts in there, like telephone chords and like like uh, the old telephone cords and stereo chords and just stuff like that, and like plastic. It seemed to really like plastic stuff. It had like piles of plastic and it was just really odd. I was like, wow, this is
amazing. And I was walking me, we were walking out, the guy were walking down the other one day in the afternoon, broad daylight, two in the afternoon, probably late summer, and all of a sudden, we hear this stomping Like I did a little couple of whoops, and all of a sudden something sort of just came stomping like you could hear it walking up the hill towards us. We're like, oh my us coming in broad daylight. It's just us between worked in this little clear like small clearing, like
fifteen by ten foot clearing. There's this big bush right in front of us, going downhill and then coming up the hill behind the bush. We never saw it. It came stomping up and it's so dry up there at the time of year. It was just like tinder box, and there was down leaves everywhere. There's a lot of oak trees and stuff, so it was just real noisy, like you'd hear that there are a lot of wood rats
there and you'd hear them all all like hear lizards and stuff. You sally, so you think there's a bear coming, or you'd turn around it's a freaking lizards ripping through the leaves. The thing came stomping up and we could hear it like muttering new itself, like we couldn't make anything out, like it was just real low, grumbly mumbly. And then I turned on my camera. It was real low muttery. It didn't it didn't record, it didn't pick up on an audio. So we each had a camcorder at this
point like dude, on three, we're both going to run around. You go not tithing on this side, and the thing was dead quiet. I go one two like I was doing it like a bout in the words like not beings on one two three, and I gave the ghost sign and he pulled jumped around the bush like in a second and a half two seconds. We were filming their side. Nothing that time. Yeah, one time we heard it and we went to go jump around the bush. And before I
couldn't even jump around the bush, he took off running. And that's when I was recording. I had the recorder going and you could hear the footfalls. It didn't vocalize, but you just heard slap stop so stop so shop like double ball. And I called Belgium like right then and there. I called him and played it over the phone like from like right like rewound and play it back like two minutes later he got the or ten minutes later he got to hear it. You're hearing that double slaps him. He's like that
is awesome. He's all, I really want to get a copy of that. And there's another thing, the one thing I'm sure I would have got on I know I got it on film. Was they started hanging the trash of the rats couldn't get it on an old flag pull mount on the front of it. There's a little porch built in front of that travel trother was downbling, not the single one. About one hundred yards below that was a travel trailer with the porch, a big porch build on the front of it,
over hanging porch. So the rats, the rapts are the raps were the thickest, so they were hanging the There was on the front of the porch. Theres you know, two by six holding up the porch, and there was a flagpole holder on that on that flag pole holder that hang the
trash. And it would come up every day. It was coming up like before dark, dude, like an hour before dark and taking the trash and going down into that hauled out bush and separating it and you know, organizing it and taking whatever food it would take whatever food was there and leave everything else. So I had my camera set up rolling kind of cameoed inside the inside the trailer, looking right out the window full frame. It was a
big picture window on the front, full frame. Had the squash would have been completely shown head to toe. And that's when the at that time, this is all in a couple of weeks period. That's when we left for a couple hours, came back. We came back at dark and it was still light out though, and the trash was gone. And I was like,
oh my god, I got it. I got it somehow. Probably I think I brought my VCR back to my house or that you had to have like those insert things you'd put the VHS tape into the like that whatever. That was like an adapter, an adapter. Yeah, so I had I had that back of my house, so we had I had to go back to my house to watch the footage. That's the night when the the boulder. We thought it was a boulder, but it was a sasquatch around down the hill. It's not like a boulder rolling down the hill. Just
boom, the thing was vibrating, shaking it. Hear it coming. It's not like a boulder. One boom, boom, boom down the hill and bam, crashed into the side of the trailer. The whole thing. Everything got like everything that got knocked over, things on shelves got knocked over. I mean, everything just went went flying off to the side. We're like, holy, we thought we thought the trailers got mashed by a boulder. And then we heard more foot footfalls running down the driveway hitting away, but
it was bone dry. I was like September at this point, early August or something, and just it was so big and heavy and so fast and it hit the hit things so hard it kind of creased aside. Like you can't you went. If you walked on he would and be like, oh, something smashed into there. I mean like when we knew where it hit, you can see like where all the desk was off, and and like you could tell like it was there has been a lot of pressure on it.
But it wasn't like smashed or anything. Was I gotta get that trailer credit. It held up pretty well, but yeah, there was. There's just something. So I went that's when I went home. I went back that night. It was too tired to do anything, just throw this stuff down. Then he called in the mill and I said, dud, they're going crazy around here, like his chick with strigups goes, they're gonna kill us, They're gonna kill us. They're getting around the trailer. They're going
crazy. And I was like oh, mass. So I got up like five and draw back up there. I left all my tapes back at my house. I came back two days later, everything's gone. That's when my house got broken. All my stuff was stolen, So I never got to review the tape. Well, Matt from ARCADAP, I hope that that answers your question, because if it doesn't, we don't have time for another one.
Yeah, that was a good well that that was a great half hour man, because that's a that that that that episode in your life when you were frequenting that property. That a lot of your bigfoot experience, early bigfoot experience I think came from that property. Yeah, it was like two thousand and two. I don't even think we have ever spoken about that on the air, so we have, which is amazing because that was my most sustained acting I ever had. Yeah, a lot of different things happened over time.
And as you're as you were, as you were telling the story to our listeners there, I kept thinking, oh, yeah, he told me this up a bluff creek at that one. Oh he told me this side of the coast that one. Yeah, So it's so funny to hear these stories come back that I haven't heard for a decade or more. You know, I can't believe I've ever told it on the air. I mean it's it's like, yeah, it was pretty monumental for me. I mean the other people think, yeah, just stories, but for us, it was
like it was nuts how it kept going and going. Oh then then we had big fires just right up over the hill outside of Orleans that year, and they didn't they seemed like they just hung around the like they stayed down by the property. Even more, when the after the fires hit, when's the last time you were at that property? Oh, I haven't been there in twenty years. I know the guy that bought it, they didn't have
anything happened. I guess they didn't really have anything happened. Isn't it sound empty for a while, like that guy bailed And I think it was open for like shoot, like two years or something. Maybe empty a year. I think. I don't think it got sold for a while. And they got they got at the bottom. It was. It was there was like three properties on that road, dirt road, and they got the very bottom that they got through, Like past his place was a psycho. Maybe I
showed it. I showed it to you, Cliff. It was like he had barbed wire all around the property with like like mannequins hung up with the barbed wire like they'd been shot climbing the fence. I don't think I've seen that, but I remember you're saying something about that. I took you by it, so you know the guy who lives there now, Yeah, he should check in just to see if anything weird has been happening. I should I drive, I've I've never seen anywhere. I think he's still there.
He had a shop in town. I used to see him by the shop all the time. Yeah, well, yeah, you should definitely drop by and see what that guy's been up to, if he's been hearing anything weird, because it is my opinion, they'll be back, you know. Yeah, I know. I talked to him a couple times after that. He didn't he wasn't aware. I mean, who knows that there's stuff was going on. He just didn't know about it. But he seemed pretty confident that
they weren't around. Might be worth a conversation. If he's run into him, that's for sure. You haven't seen him forever. Yeah, that's that's that story. I'm glad you reminded me then. Yeah, so yep, Mad from Arcada. There you go. Stay tuned for more bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. So should
we hop on? Another question here? Hi, Cliff and Bobo. This is Aaron from Lacrosse, Wisconsin. I was just wondering if there was one time a year to go big footing, what time of year would that be? Fall? Winter, spring? Thanks, guys, have a good day. Well, it's funny we kind of already answered that in a way. We think. I think it's fall right now. Do you hear this will
be the best day of the year. Yeah, absolutely guaranteed. Yeah, don't don't even don't even wait till tomorrow, because you'll you would have blown it. The best time to go big footing is right now always. But if you had to sit back and you could only go for like maybe a couple of days or a weekend once a year, I would probably go in
the fall. I would go in the fall, yeah, because I mean it is a little bit more dangerous because hunters are out there in the woods, and you know that's always a risk when people are walking around with guns. But at the same time, I think that the activity for whatever reason I would like to should probably verify this, maybe pull out one of the John Green books or something like that and look at the residing reports per season.
But I'm feeling it's fall. I know several places I've been they tell me that they hear the vocalizations more commonly in fall, and I feel it's fall. Although I can't really cite data to back that up because it doesn't really matter to me. I go all the time, I go winter, spring, fall, whatever. But I would say that falls a fantastic time
to go, whether it's perfect. These are going down that starts, seeing further of the trees and their leaves, a lot of food out there, berries and stuff are in bloom, and the course animals are gorging themselves to try to get the winner. Yeah, I think fall fall to go fall. Let's go to the next question. Hi to from Bobo. This is Nigel from LA Thanks for a brilliant podcast. I really enjoy the range of guests and topics that you cover, and the q and a's and all the
banter that you guys have. I was doing some research about the size and height of the big foot known as Patty in the nineteen sixty seven Patterson Gimlan film, and wanted to ask you, guys, how tall you think the figure is in the film based on your own knowledge, and how you think that the heightened size of the figure impacts the authenticity of the film. Looking forward to your thoughts on this. Thanks again. Well, the Bluff Creek project as felt like a seven book on it. Yeah, but they did.
Most of that's about the history of rediscovering the site itself and not the not the size of the creature. What are your thoughts on that? But what have my own thoughts? I was out there for the for their final their final measurements. I was actually out there with those guys another the raety, and I think they're right on it. They're saying hunched over about six four standing straight up right, it was probably six six six seven sounds about
right. Yeah. I think it's fair to say that a six and a half, give or take a little bit, is right where I put it. Because the most direct measurement is of course taking the length of the foot, because the gate of the sasquatch brings her foot perpendicular to the ground. With every step, and I think there's a ten or eleven I forget, I forget how many frames there are, But there are ten or eleven frames while she's walking away from the camera that you can see the entirety of the
bottom of the foot. The problem, of course, is that the grain, the grain of the film is so course I guess that there's there's a margin of error when you want to measure that. See, we know how long her feet were because we have casts. Her feet were just about fourteen to fifteen inches long somewhere in there. I will to say fourteen and a
half. That's what Grover Krantz uses. But when you said so, if you have her foot perpendicular to the ground in the same frame as her entire standing height or walking height specifically, you could just you know, count that many pixels up and get a height and that heights. Grover crants a ride that's somewhere around six feet for her walking height, keeping in mind that her standing heights would be uh, you know, a percentage taller than that because
she's sinking into the ground. She has about a four or five degree stooped forward as she walks, and of course she has a bent knee gate, which all of that serves to lower her walking height versus her standing height. Grover said, she's about six while she's walking, a six and a half while she's standing. My own measurements with that same figure, using the foots, the foot length, and whatever else, brings it about the same about
six and a half feet tall. Of course, people have pointed out, well, you know, the foot could be up to three the bottom of her foot could be up to maybe three feet closer to the camera than her body, so that you have to take that in the consideration, which of course Rover Krantz did in the second edition of his book. He addressed that
mathematically, and it doesn't really change things too much. What would change things, and I've had this conversation with doctor Meldrum several times, actually, is that the outside of her foot is not a crisp line. It's a fuzzy line because the grain of the of the film that they were using, which you know, say it's a half inch derivation, you know, a half inch margin of air. Well, if there's five or six there's six foot lengths tall, well that that's kind of a lot because a half an inch
on each side that's up the six inches different. Doctor Meldrum puts her heights a little bit closer to seven feet than I would, but I think six six and a half feet is pretty pretty safe. But what's interesting to note, and this is the second half of your question here, Nigel, is that her height. How does that what does that have to bear on the authenticity of the film? Well, even at the smallest height of six feet tall, humans don't fit in that suit. That's important. Yeah, it's
six and a half those it would even be a worse fit. And of course if doctor Meldrum's right at six ft eight or six foot ten, well then then there's no chance whatsoever, unless unless you had a fernal of botomy and they took all the skull material out. Well yeah, yeah, that's just that's the shape of the head of course, you know, because her head slopes very sharply back, almost a ninety degree angle from on top of her brow ridge, which b wasastley, would cut off the entire frontal lobe
of your brain if you were put inside that. Bill Munz did that Actually, Bill Muns pointed that out with a long term property owner who I know is listening right now. Hello, to you, but also at six feet or six foot two or something, her shoulders or something like thirty two inches wide, thirty two inches wide. You know, if you have a tape measure or yard stick nearby, look look at what thirty two inches is. Man, it's a long ways. That is a I don't think she's thirty
two thirty two inches wide across the shoulder. I believe she is. She looked up well, I mean none, none the case, all the more, nonetheless, whatever words you want to use here, Like right now, I've got a tape across my shoulders, and you know I'm not a large man or what everybody? I do have pretty broad shoulders, and my shoulders are about twenty twenty one inches wide. John Green had first used the foot as a measuring tool, arriving at a walking height of six foot six with
thirty four inch shoulders in a twenty two inch chest. Krantz's measurement found that the subjects walking high was roughly six feet with shoulder width around twenty eight point two inches, which is well, that's huge, yeah, exactly, that's the point. Even at the small side, that's not And of course people the skeptics was, oh, wearing shoulder pads. You know, okay, Well, then then explain the arm length, because the arms are longer in
proportion than any human on the planets. Oh, the arm extension, said Bob Harnimas said that he had horse horse, hockey man because the shoulder. I'm sorry that the elbows are in the correct place. There are no arm extensions. The elbows are in the correct place. The arms are longer than any human on the planet. And we know that the hands had to be those are gloves. They were full of hands. Because the fingers move independently
of everything else they are. You can see independent finger movement framed a frame of the film. So whoever quote unquote is in that suit quote unquote, it is in human, which would be worthy of study in itself. I would say something for people to consider is that, yes, you could exaggerate
the width of the shoulders with shoulder pads. But the problem with that is that you know, if you're using those measurements, the measurement of the foot, if you're using the foot as a measuring tool to arrive at those measurements, you also have to apply that to essentially the hips. And so the hips are so very wide that even if you padded the shoulders to make them wider, you'll notice that the arms hang directly vertically, straight up and down.
So if you were to pad your hips, your arms would have to go out at the side. You'd have to elevate them or raise them at sides laterally to accommodate those big hips. And so just you know, you could throw out the shoulder width alone and look at the width of the hips and see that the arms hang down and know right there that while shoulder pads, that's not even part of the equation. You can toss that idea out.
Yeah, skeptics, I'll say it again, skeptics have a lot of explaining to do about the foot to the foot bending back, thinking that I forget the frame numbers, but you clearly see that there's no human foot that bends that way. That the toes gill pointing up of the air. Yeah, yeah, I get. The foot structure stuff is plainly visible. People don't walk that way. There's all sorts of things, but the size alone, that the height of the figure itself, no matter what height is calculated,
even if it's human height. You know, plenty of sasquatches or human height. I'm on record and I'll say it again, but I think there's a lot of sasquatches that are between six and seven feet tall. A lot of them, in fact, maybe even most of the females are between six and seven feet tall, which is totally within human height. But that doesn't
mean they're human shaped. They're They're not portioned like humans. They are big and massive and barrel chested and huge shoulders and long arms and short, short, short legs in comparison to the rest of their body. They are just simply not human in any way, certainly not physically and actually not mentally either, just because you can you can tell that by looking at them. They're
the frontal lobe is just not there. If that was a helmet that you would have to cut off the front part of your brain, like Bobo is saying, to have a full front of botomy in order to fit inside there. And frankly, if you're walking around in the woods inside of an ape suit like that in October, which is hunting season, you've probably already had your full front little bottomy, at least you're acting like it. I have a bottle in front of you, then a full front of the bottom.
So there you go, Nigel, that's the that's our thoughts on it, you know. I mean we could be wrong, I guess, but I sure don't think we are, and like your thoughts on it too, So let us know what you think or don't ye. Check out Bill Muns book When Roger Met Patty. Yeah, that's probably the best source for information like this. He wrote an excellent, excellent book only on the Patterson Gimblin film and it really comes at it from all angles. It's really really cool.
When When Roger Met Patty? Buy Bill Munns and you know you buy it online, buy it on Amazon where if you want. But I will say an ABC has autograph copies. What you do? Yeah, autograph copies man Bill's nights enough to bring them all to his house and then he signs them for us and then he sends them are away. So yeah, the North American Bigfoot Center dot Com. Go to the store so you can get your autograph copy of When When Roger Met Patty by Bill Munns. Oh both,
you know, don't You shouldn't do that. Just you just let me know and I can hook you up. But you know, something that came up I checked the mail today and you and I got something together. Not to interrupt the Q and A and or everything, but Jennifer from Burlington, New Jersey sent us, uh, like, at first I thought they were like those like those holy candles that you know you find in grocery stores with like stains on them, because they're shaped like that. But actually there's some sort
of like drink, you know, their cups are. They're from this sort of cut or whatever on the outside as all these it's like a bunch of graphics about Bigfoot knowledge and you know, and bigfoot graphics this and that and stuff. So yeah, people are sending us gifts. Gotta love that. Man, that's pretty cool. Thank you. I'll try to drop this in the mail the next week or something like that for you. I'll be there coming up sometime, not too long. Very good. I'll just hold on
to it. Then, I'll just hold on to it. Yeah. But yeah, Jennifer from New Jersey, thanks so much. Do we really do appreciate that, So feel free to shower us all with gifts, in fact, listeners, gifts and compliments, yes, the kind words compliments, low kisses to us as you're as you're listening in your car on Monday morning on a way to work, and we really do appreciate it. So do we have any more voicemails there? Matt Pruett, Hey guys, my name's Casey.
This is actually the second voicemail I've left. The first one was my boyfriend and I were having a discussion on why there aren't more sasquatch on trail cams. I absolutely loved your responses were They were funny and informative. I was wondering. My second question for you is I live in central Ohio sort of, I believe around where b Mills grew up. Do you have any
report so many sasquats around that area? I know the southeastern part of Ohio is a good area, but I was wondering if there was anything around the Chilacothee area. I've heard of, possibly some in the Circleville area. We do have some fairly wooded areas around here. Just curious. I love the podcast, love listening every Monday. You guys are fantastic. Keep up the great work. I refuse to answer because there's a dog barking. I think
maybe that was your boyfriend. Oh man, I don't know. I don't know, of course, as I'm just joking around, Casey, I'm sure your boyfriend's just lovely. Not really, I don't know what were they arguing. I kind of remember that question. Wheren't they like having I hope he has a listen. Actually, I hope he does listen. And we really really appreciate you listening. By the way. Yeah, so the central Ohio bobs like off the top of your head, you can, can you remember
anything? No? Yeah, Ohio has a has a lot of scattered reports. I mean southeast, of course is the best habitat forms you're going to find most stuff over there. I forgot the name of the city she was mentioning, but Circleville, Circleville. Okay, well, let's let's take a look here. Let me pull out my my right whatever it is my data
here Circleville and cut that in. See where is that? Oh it's both my Columbus the south of Columbus. Yeah, of course there's going to be reports south of Columbus because just just a little bit to the east of you is of course wide open, but specifically in that area. Oh yeah, dude, that that's that place goes off around there, does it? Now? I don't have I don't have anything showing up here at this moment, but hold on, say I might need to adjust something here. I think
just east of there, like five or six miles. Yeah, dude, Yeah, there's not this by rock Bridge Preserve. Oh yeah, I've got some. I got a whole smattering of stuff north of Gibsonville, between sugar Grove and Gibsonville, which of course is better habitat than say Circleville, because
Circleville looks like it's mostly farmed, you know at this point. Yeah, so there's a bunch of stuff, and it looks like there's a smattering of stuff from the two thousands actually, like mid nineties to about two thousand and ten or more. But this particular database I'm looking in right now is pretty old, so that explains a lot of it. But yeah, they are certainly there. I would just go a little bit further to the east,
kind of approaching you know, sugar Grove and that general area. Rock Bridge. Logan. I know, Logan's really good. I did that job out there with B Mills in August that the Hawking Hills big Foot Festival. We're in Logan or what is it forty thousand people showed up this year. I got a ton of reports from there, So yeah, in anywhere in that
zone to be great. The best thing you can do is look for previous reports and go camping or go walking in those general areas, and of course, you know, if you if you want to, you know, virgin bigfoots. Basically look for areas where there are no reports and then try to figure out why would they be there, Why would they be there? Maybe
you can find a chicken farm. Maybe you can find some one of those places where the I don't know what there we would be called there, like what they would be called Ohio. You know transportation, you know whatever department of transportation where they throw their dead deer that they get on this side of the road. Maybe find a place like that. Maybe find an unscrupulous chicken farmer who disposes of the dead chickens in the river, you know, something
like that. Finds a reason for them to be there with a lot of food, and then go there. Alfalfa fields are a really good reason for deer to be there, And wherever deer congretate, you're probably going to find some sasquatches. So yeah, casey, in your area, I would go east just a little bit. Yeah, the place that's the best spot in all of Ohio pretty much. I mean all through there down well then down
the West Virginia border of course. Yeah. Dig around in the databases, go to a couple of the online resources and find where there's a handful of reports within just a few miles, and start going there. Stay tuned for more big foot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages. I just got a report from I just had on my Facebook
page some photos posted. This guy was he's an older guy, just getting used to a new drone and he was out flying around down there and he was just taking roundom pictures and he saw this thing later on and he thought what it was. His body looked at it because that's a big foot. They went back and there was nothing there. They did some size comparisons. It's like eight foot tall. There's a BFRL guy investigating it right now, and he said, yeah, I think it's the real deal because they went
back and there's nothing there and things like over eight. You know, I got an interesting story. I don't know if I mentioned this on the air, if I did please forgive me. But a gentleman came up to me in Logan when I did that conference, or the festival rather, and he was saying that when he was a kid, when this nineteen seventies, he ran across what he thought was a dead gorilla in the woods in Ohio. Did I tell you this? No? Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And
he was a really cool guy, right. I still have his number actually, and he said that he ran across what he thought was a dead gorilla in the woods. But he was like, you know, eight or something. I'm guessing at the time, the way back in the nineteen seventies, and I go, no, no kidding, I mean did you And I thinking to myself, maybe it was a bear, right, so I'm trying to figure out if it was a bear? Said well, I mean,
could it have been a bit? No, it wasn't a bear. It's like they had hands, dude, You go, really, really, what made you think it was a gorilla? He goes the face, It's like, oh man. So but he also went on to say that it was kind of it was a cheerating and rotting away in the woods and stuff. It was in a pretty deep ravine, very close to a road at the top of the ravine. There was a road up there, and yeah, he he guessed that perhaps it was hit by a car and it made his
way down to the thing and died there. And of course I got a couple of my friends on it. Suzanne, she listens as well. She went and spoke to the person at length. So yeah, yeah, there's a report out there. I'm looking forward to reading it, of course. And yeah, so interesting things, man, interesting things happening out there in Ohio. So apparently, by the way, Bobs, I don't want to
interrupt, but he apparently nowadays he's a pastor as well. So I'm not not like pastors would never lie or anything like that, but you know, I would like to think that the majority of them are good, honest people and would do their best not to YEA, Yeah, that's awesome. There's all these mischances. It's just so frushing, like, dude, like just the right person when I got you know, he it's just so close. So many times I have something like that come in and just never does.
Yeah, it's kind of aggravating in some ways. But well, anyway, Casey, there's your answer for you. I would go a little bit east and and and be sure to feed your boyfriend and take them for a walk. You're in one of the best spots in the world. And actually, of course we're obviously just joking around about your boyfriend, isn't well? I am? I am? You can whoever, hey, boyfriend, you can come beat up Bobo, but not me. I'm sure you're lovely. How
about there are there any more voicemails? Matt, let's queue up the last voicemail here. Hey, Cliff and Bobo. Austin here, huge fan of your show and I really like the podcast. My question for you, how many different subspecies of bigfoot do you think there are North America? Is as simple as there's an Eastern Bigfoot in the Western Bigfoot? Or is there even more breakdown than that? Thanks? Hopefully I can see you on TV again
for new episodes sometimes soon. Bye. Thank you, Austin. Yeah, well, first off, we say we say this every week, so it's treasures. There's no more shows coming up for that. That's what that's done. Yeah, we kind of. I think we've all moved on to bigger and better things. Clearly, this podcast is way better than a television show. It's become obvious that there are many subspecies of finding Bigfoot at this point, well, you know, it's because the TV industries are frankly, they're
kind of cowards. You know, they're unable, They're unwilling and unable to take chances for fear of failure because there's so much money on the table. It's not really unfortunate. But to answer Austin's question, I think how many subspecies there are, I would say zero in North America. I think there's one species of whatever sasquatches are. I don't think there are subspecies here in North America at all. And the people who I speak to that are strong
advocates of that position. Their best reason is behavior or hair color or something like that, a little bit on size, But none of those things necessarily point to a new species, or even a subspecies for that matter, because Bobo and I, for example, are same species, but we have different hair color. Although the older we get, Bobo's turning whiter all the time. Yeah, we're about the same color now, except for I'm a silver fox, you're a gray fox. Yeah. Okay, so nice, I'll
take that. I'll consult Melissa on that. Verify the fox part of course. Yeah, so I think so different colors doesn't doesn't make a new species. Different sizes certainly, that doesn't make a new species. Different behaviors certainly doesn't make a new species. And because again Bobo is a lovely, kind person, I'm generally kind of a jerk from from what I understand. So we're the same species. So anyway, there you go. I think there's
zero subspecies. I think that's a species sasquash. Because the footprints in Florida match the footprints in British Columbia, match the footprints in Ohio, match the footprints in Arizona, et cetera. I think we're dealing with one type of
very thinly spread species all throughout North America. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of trinomial nomenclature as it's used many times, because, like, as a good example, right now, there are sixteen recognize subspecies of American black bear, which is fairly preposterous, and now with genetic studies, it's showing
that they're not even supportable as being you know, distinct. And so I think that the system, so to speak, or let's say, the establishment incentivizes quote unquote discovering subspecies, even though these bears have been well known and well understood. But if you can somehow make a name by discovering, in air quotes, a new subspecies of black bear, well now you've just made a discovery, even though again genetics typically don't support these things that there's really
no distinction other than no one could tell you could show bears. It's the same look I wanted the other one. Absolutely, Yeah, you know, in paleoanthropology. WHOA, I'm sorry this rupt there's a loud click inside the building here. That's really weird because there's been a lot of weird noises. I want to get all Ghostie and HALLOWEENI on you or anything, but it is coming up. The weird things been happening in the shop here, and I just sort of really loud click. But anyway to things at hand.
As I'm looking around the room I'm in right now, what the hell was I saying? Oh, yeah, in paleoanthropology, which is one of my favorite topics and sciences, and that I dabble in the term for that is lumpers and splitters, because you know, as Matt was just saying, you know, you earn a name for yourself. If you discover a new species, my god, that's a huge thing, right, But so but how far do you want to take it? And when species themselves kind of almost
don't even exist. It's just this transitory form in this gradient from one side to the other, you know, from humanity on one side and you know, single cell organisms on the other. There's this long human gradient of evolution. So species themselves are kind of fuzzy distinctions. The lumpers go always go for a fewer species. You know, austrell Epithecenes are pretty distinct from Homo sapiens, for example, so you can lump a lot of things in australl
epithecenes, austrell Epithecus. The splitters, though, they get down there, and they're the ones that I'm a splitter would be person who would say there are sixteen subspecies of black bear. Lauren Coleman, Well, yeah, Lauren Coleman did something like this. I'm here one of his books. What was that book called is that? What is Field Guide to Mystery Primates? Where he would split these into different species based on their description and behaviors and that
sort of thing. I'm not that guy, Lauren is a splitter. I'm a lumper, you know, and there's nothing wrong with either one. It's just a perspective of looking at things. I think there's one species of sasquatch here in North America because I'm a lumper, arguably a lumpy lumper. I'm a lumper, long lived the Lumpers. We should change the name of this podcast to the Lumpy Boys. Well, if we ever make a poster, that won't be our choice. You know, I know that's in really good
shape. So there you go. I hope that helps a little bit of awestin. Thank you very much for your question, and also thank you for listening. It's very kind of you. All Right, well, I guess this week we're kind of running out of time. We're gonna save these written questions for next time or next time we need some content we can hop on
and do a Q and A real fast. So if you wrote a say question, which we strongly encourage you to do, we appreciate it, and maybe let's listen next month for the next August Q and A. That was a joke, of course, and like most of my jokes, say fall flat. But again, if you enjoyed this episode and you want to ask us a question, you can do so. The level and talented Matt Pruitt
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pool. That's one of my favorite One of my favorite things that one of the fans setting in was the big Foot on our logo walking with the mic and he's one of the members only check it from the eighties. Yeah. Yeah, we've been getting some really some a small number, but really fantastic fan art. We really do appreciate that, Thank you very much. I got a piece of fan art recently for the museum, a metal sasquatch carrying a metal alien that was really neat. I'm going to display that here at
the NABC, so come by and check it out. Bobo. We'll be up I guess here in the next month or two and he can come check it out for himself. So anyway, thank you very much. Listeners, We really appreciate it. Bobo. You have anything at add just this all right, folks, Thanks for listening, Hit share, hit like, spread the word to the pod, and until next week, y'all keep it lumpy.
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