Big Food and be on with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and read it. I'm stay on day and listening watching always keep it squatchy. And now your hosts, Cliff Barrickman and James Bobo Fay Bobo. How you doing man? How's it going, Cliff? I'm doing good. I'm going all right too, man. I'm just kind of muddling through work and stuff and leave town this coming weekend for a week for my first non Bigfoot related vacation and I don't know a year and a
half, two years, maybe more, long long time. So looking forward to that. Going to go catch some fish, hopefully in Mexico. There's a good bite down there, isn't there. Yeah, hurricane kind of mess things up our little I mean just for a couple of days, and then it's funny. I'm going to look pause in that general area. And the hurricane didn't do as much as the rain that came a week later did. Apparently there's flooding and all sorts of stuff, but it should be all cleared
up by the time I get there. I guess the dorado bites off the hook. They're starting to catch some other species as well that they've been seeing, marlin and salefish. So we'll see, we'll see what happens. I mean, of course, by the time this gets published, I will have already come back, So maybe I'll have a couple of fish pictures to put on the Patreon for people to enjoy. If we're gonna cooler, absolutely bring a cooler down and it's going to go go go pongo fishing practice in my
Spanish and doing all that sort of stuff. I'm looking forward to it. It's been too long. Are fine. Oh they're a lot of fun. They're a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, Dorado's if people don't know. On the East Coast, they're called dolphinfish, and in Hawaii they're called mahi mine, all the same species. So yeah, so big news this week, Bobs. I'm sure you picked it up. I found out about it the day before it was announced. I was
pretty stoked about it. The vander White mine, the Ape Canyon mine has been discovered. Dude. I was like, I was like, I was like, wait, what like because he sent me some pictures that the guys sent him, and I was just like no, because you always heard like it was it was gated and dynamited and it was closed up for good, like you can't find it. And then to see the actual hole, I was just like, God, I want to get up there so bad.
Oh yeah, you know, I'm actually even though I failed to go there this past July, I got, you know, I got about two thirds of the way down to the Cabins site and I said, man, this is too sketchy for an old man. I've been there. I'd been there in twenty fourteen, I think the year was had been down to the actual Cabins site. I touched the actual foundation beams with my hands. I dug up, dug up, and a whole different side, you know, just with my hands, you know, Like it was just a couple inches under
the surface. So three of the foundation beams had been discovered when I was there. I guess say they looked around and cabins getting eaten up by everything. Right now it's back under it's a few inches of soil, so it's either protected hidden again depending on your perspective. But yeah, when we were
there, we were just doing the best. Back in twenty fourteen, we're trying to figure out where the mine entrance might be in Mark man, I'll tell you, Mark marcell Is is a gnarly He's a guy who doesn't belong to this century. He's he's he's hardy pioneer folk. He just tied himself to a tree and dangled his butt off the edge. Then like overhang overhang overhanging this small chasm right underneath the cabin site. Because the best information we
had was that that's where the mine entrance was. But apparently not, apparently not. Mark said that he was within seventy five feet of the mine entrance if we would have gone down to the left. And again I don't I saw the pictures that Mark published and he said to me those same pictures and maybe four. I don't know the context. I've been to the site. I know how gnarly it is. It is off the hook, dangerous,
scary, you know, just just precarious the whole area. So when I saw that mine interests they go, oh my gosh, how would you get down to that? And the second pic sure, where the dude is standing at the entrance of the mine, you can see ropes. The first picture you couldn't see ropes. But the second picture I saw ropes and it's like, man, that would be a gnarly climb, especially knowing what's probably right below it, you know, one hundred foot drop to the bottom of certain
death essentially, But then again, I don't know the context. Maybe it's easier to get down to than I'm imagining, but having been there, I can't imagine it being easy at all, just at all. And how cool is it that the great grandsons of the youngest miner who was at the incident in nineteen twenty four are the people who rediscovered the mine. That's that's incredible. That's that is that's amazing. Yeah, that is just fantastic. That
is so so cool and just almost serendipitous in a way. But just just how how cool is that those guys must just be on the moon over the moon, you know, Oh yeah, that's I mean, that's a that's an accomplishment they got. They're carrying on the family legacy, you know, like it's they're they're stoked. Yeah, And of course I asked, Mark, can you get in there? And from what I hear and the picture kind of verified this too. Is at the small rocks in the area,
of kind of filled it in for a large to a large degree. So I don't know. I don't know if one can how far one can get in there. I do know that somebody, one of the relatives, I think it was Beck's grandkid, what is his name, Rod, I think his name is. He was at the mine site, he said, in
the nineteen seventies, so before the eruption. The eruption happened on May eighteenth, nineteen eighty, so he was there to say, maybe three or four years or five years before the eruption, and he went into the mine and supposedly the mining equipment was still in there. The guys just bailed and left all their mining gear there, yeah, with the reporter, and they went
at the reporter and the cops. Yeah, and that's it. And apparently they just left all their stuff in there, which could have been a small loss monetarily speaking for them, which kind of I think kind of lends a lot of credence to their claim. Oh yeah, because they were poor. Yeah. So anyway, Yeah, that's I think that's the big news of the of the week, if not month, if not year. I think
that's just fantastic. I'm considering if Mark goes up there again, I'll even consider I'll maybe I'll give it a second shot, you know, But we'll see, we'll see what will happen. Because we're running out of time here because winter is it will be upon us shortly, because it's an early fall here in the Pacific Northwest. Last year this time it was like ninety five degrees and today we'll be lucky to hit sixty. This pretty exciting stuff,
man, this Ape Canyon deal. But I don't know if I'm fired up about the Ape Canyon thing or it's that stuff man, that stuff that that that were sent the Magic Mind. Have you tried that yet, Bobbo Magic minds? Yeah, I've been taken it for a couple of weeks now. Man, I'm I'm energized. Like this is you know, it's not it's not like drinking a much of espresso. It's more mellow. But yeah, I've noticed a difference, more focused. You don't even drink coffee, do
you? No? No, I don't. Yeah, I think I've seen I mean I spent a lot of years with you, man, I think I've only seen you drink coffee two or three times or something. And those and that was a panic sort of situation where this was twenty two twenty three hour days that we had to work. Sometimes I'm finding bigfoot. But see, because coffee coffee, you eventually crash on it, you know, but the magic mind kind of a smooth landing, if you want to call it
that. It's not a crash at all. It just kind of keeps going throughout the day. Well, you know me, dude, Like people say, like I get di jitters or shaky when I get you know, when I have coffee, it's like I get beyond that, Like it hits me so hard. This is not like that. It's it's a lot more smooth, mellow, and I don't feel like I don't feel like I'm at like popping under my skin. I'm just like I'm more focused and it just it's
a good clean energy but like booster. Yeah, and apparently it's all natural ingredients. I was reading some of the stuff about this thing, you know, all natural agrees, a lot of stuff I don't even know how I've pronounced. It's all Latin stuff like that. The stuff I did recognize, its like lions, main mushrooms. You've heard like about that stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's fantastic for your brain, supposedly. I mean, that's
what the studies are showing at this point. And you know, when I read this, there's this one ingredient in it, the Court of Steps mushrooms. I thought, wait, that's the one that kills those ants, right, it grows out of the ant's brain and stuff. But it's not that one. It's not the mushroom from Last of Us or anything. But it is very very powerful. Nonetheless, it's Stoff's inflammation. It strengthens your immune
system. It supports higher levels of energy and physical endurance by ramping up the production of something ATPs whatever the heck those are in your mitochondria. I guess we're all thinking about our mitochondria nowadays. We're very mitochondria focused society, I think nowadays, right, Bob's Yeah. I first sort of about from Kelo Rothman and Nate Florence team famous big wave service from North Shore, and like they were, they were hyping it up. And those guys are like in
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So go to magicmind dot com slash bigfoot. That's magicmind dot com slash bigfoot, and then you can get fifty six percent off your subscription for the next ten days with that code. Go to magicmind dot com slash bigfoot for fifty six percent off your subscription for the next ten days with the code bigfoot. He got first to Cliff. Yeah, so I've been doing a lot of jobs lately, and I've been seeing this guy around a bit and hearing his
name and that sort of thing. But I didn't know didn't know him, and wasn't trying to meet anybody because it's my life's two full of people already some days. So but then we had we had our paths cross, shall we say. At the last job I did out in Idaho, Idaho SQUATCHCN, which turn out to be a pretty great gig, thirty one hundred people came. According to the organizers. A lot of good people. Doctor Meldrum
was on the job, and then Michael Freem is on the job. And this gentleman who is our guest today, Brian king Sharp is his name. He does another pot In fact, apparently he does a lot of different podcasts, and I'd say, well, you know what, that would be kind of interesting, take kind of a meta podcast on our part if we had another podcast on and we can just talk about the business of podcasting. But also more than that, because Brian showing me some some really good photographs of
footprints he's been finding on and near his property. Now, I don't know. I mean, Brian and I went out a couple of times and had a couple of beers hung out at the events, and generally it turns out I really like him. Brian's a rad guy. I consider him a friend now, and so I thought, hey, this is a great opportunity to have him on the podcast. So Brian my new friend. Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Thanks guys, I really appreciate you having
me on the show. Man, I really appreciate it. Hey Broun, Hey you got a pretty distinctive voice. Hey, Bob what's up man? Yeah, what's your podcast? To Dame of yours? It is Sasquatch Odyssey. How long have you been doing it? I started the first episode of Sasquatch Odyssey back in February of two and twenty one, so a little over a couple of years. I've been doing it as a full time gig since
last March. But that's not the only podcast you do. Is that you have a handful of these things that you do in various topics that are of interest to you. I do the Sasquatch Odyssey was the first show. It was the main interest in Sasquatch. Obviously, some of the experiences I had as a kid sort of led me down that path. But it sort of
ballooned into this studio really with several podcasts. And one of the things that happened was kind of like, you guys, you do a Bigfoot and beyond because sometimes people have those stories that are beyond the Bigfoot thing, right, So that was kind of happening to me as I was interviewing folks, and I created an entirely new podcast called Paranormal Odyssey to talk about the dog man stuff, the UFO stuff, the weird, you know, high strangeness,
things that people were talking about because Bigfoot podcast consumers can be a little bit of a purist and some people don't want to hear about UFOs and other things. They just wanted to stick to Sasquatch. So I sort of created that show. I've since passed that on to another podcaster who works in our network and he hosts that show for me. But I was also a police officer for sixteen years and I was really into true crime stuff, so I went
on and started a true crime podcast. So those were the first three full time podcast and then Doug Hichek reached out to me when he started his Untold Radio network and wanted me to do a show over there, so I do a Weird Encounters show over there. So for full time podcasts, three of which that I host currently, and it's definitely there's never a dull moment for sure. So what would be the differentiators between the Paranormal Odyssey podcasts and the
Weird Encounters podcast. The Weird Encounters podcast is a little bit more about stories. The Paranormal Odyssey is based on real encounters. Basically, it's an interview show. The Weird encounter show that Doug and Ice brainstorm together was more about me sharing stories, just reading the stories for people who enjoy that kind of thing. So it's a way less heavy on the interviews and more about me just doing narration. So now where do you get the stories? They're submitted
by people who experienced them. Actually worked with a lady over in the UK who has a huge repository of some amazing stories that she has documented over the years, and she sort of put those into a database and I had her on the show a couple of years ago and she had had an encounter with what she believes to be a sasquatch over in the UK, strangely enough, and she just allowed me sort of carte blanche to use those stories and read
them on the show. And then of course we get others that are submitted by via email from people that experienced them. God, image would be a bit going out of your mind with being busy, because I know one podcast is kind of a lot on my plate with everything else I have going. But I guess you're doing this full time as well, so that probably helps a bit. I guess. Yeah, I was working fifty hours a week as a retail manager, managing fifty people and trying to do the podcast.
The first podcast, which was Sasquatch Odyssey in the beginning, and it was too tough. Man. I just I enjoyed the podcast so much. It was my favorite thing that I'd ever done. I'd always been sort of a performer. I sang when I was a kid, you know, I was always in a band, and I was always into that sort of performing thing and like to have some sort of creative outlet. And I started the show just because I wanted to talk about encounters, specifically in the southeastern United States.
I was born and raised in North Georgia, near where Matt grew up. I think Matt's from Northeast Georgia, but I was born and raised there, and I grew up with stories of Bigfoot and jensing hunters being ran off the mountain by a wooly men and wild men and Harryman. So I was
always very interested in that stuff. And you know, I was in law enforcement for sixteen years, like I said, and you don't talk about bigfoot at work, at least I didn't as a cop, right, People kind of already look at you like you got two heads when you're a cop anyway, and I certainly didn't go to work and talk about Bigfoot and UFOs and
some of the things I've experienced in my life. But after I left that in twenty sixteen, I was able to sort of really dive into that, and we bought forty acres of property here in North Carolina with the hopes of there may be something going on here. I wanted some rural property that I could get out into the woods and maybe do some research. But the show was born out of just wanting to talk to people, and that's what I
did, you know. I just started reaching out to people and got the first couple of people on from North Carolina and Georgia and Tennessee, and it just sort of snowballed into I've talked to people literally in Ireland and London and other parts of the UK that have claimed to have experiences with something they can't explain. So but yeah, it's a full time job and it definitely keeps me busy. You mentioned that all these podcasts, the seat of it was
some sort of a experience you had when you were young. What was that? We had a couple of weird experiences when I was a kid, we lived in what I believed to be a haunted house. There was some it was sort of the beyond thing, right. There was a couple of guys that had lived there before us that were into some sort of Satanic rituals and things like that. So we had some really weird things going on inside the house. But when I was twelve, I was always out in the woods.
We were really poor. We had nothing. Basically, we did have a television, and we did have the old antenna, you know, on that you had to go outside in the rain and turn the huge antenna, you know, to get the three channels that you could get. But I spent most of my time out in the woods. That was sort of my rest but from all the things that were going on in my house at the time, and I would always go out. I fancied myself a little bit of a hunter, so I would go out and dry to squirrel hunt,
bird hunt whatever. And at twelve, I went out in the woods one day during the summer. I think it was the summer before I turned thirteen. My birthdays in December, so I would have been twelve, and I went out into the woods that I'd been out in so many times. And we rented this small little house from the landlord and there was big fields and nothing but just pine, thickets and woods. Every I loved it. I was in heaven and I was out in these woods one day, and I've
been out there tons of times. I wasn't afraid of anything as a kid, and I was out doing my thing in the middle of the day, and I just got that feeling. You know, you've talked to enough people that shared their big foot encounters, and some of them mentioned that feeling, you know, the hair on the back of your neck stands up, the hair on your arms stands up. That's exactly what happened to me. And the first thing I remember thinking is I'm not supposed to be here. I've
got to get out of here. And the next thing that happened was I heard grub some growls, I heard some huffs, and something very large was moving just out of my vision, maybe ten to fifteen feet away in the woodline, and I just froze and it got louder. It sounded like it was getting pissed off, and what I'd recognize now was probably a bluff charge and stopped maybe ten feet away, just on the other side of the thicket, so I couldn't see in to see what it was, and I was
gone. I was out, you know, fight or flight kicked in. It was no longer time to stand there. I've said it before, I felt like it at the time it was going on. I felt like my legs were just sort of sunk into the ground and I couldn't move. And
once that thing got close enough and I really the fear kicked in. I just turned tail and I ran probably six or seven hundred yards back to the house, jumped over the fence and landed in my yard, and I was like, Okay, I'm safe, right, But I didn't go to I didn't go back in the woods for probably six or eight months after that. I still, even when I'm thinking about it now, I sort of get that feeling, you know, of being back there. But whatever it was
terrified me, and I still don't know what it was. I didn't see it, you know. I've always sort of equated it to a possible sasquatch encounter because of what I've heard from so many people I've interviewed on the show over the last couple of years. But again, I can't say you know. I've had people, you know, I even had one guy that had me as a guest on the show saying, maybe maybe it was something demonic that was happening in your house that followed you into the woods. Okay,
could be, I don't know. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. That experience really lit the fire that was already there. I was already interested in cryptids. I was interested in the Lockness Monster. I sort of that was my escape into, you know, out of the reality of being a poor kid that was having, you know, parental issues and divorce in the house and all kinds of things that was going on in my life at that time. Plus
I was twelve years old, you know. So I don't know what it is. I still don't to this day. I can't say definitively what it was. But now, knowing the things that I know and the research that I've done, I think it might have been an encounter with a sasquatch. It's funny how people how your whatever background you come from, like totally it gives you filters for how you view things, Like like, uh, someone
from like Montown. I think, oh, it's a grizzly bearer. You know that someone from Georgia would be like, you know, in a religious house. It was like, it's demonic. You know, it's close your perception of things quite a bit, how you interpret things out there. That's a very good point. I just interviewed a lady Bobo that I had on
the show last year. I actually met her at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot conference year before last, and she was having issues with sasquatch on her property to the point where her and her husband moved to last year and she just reached out to me again and they moved into another state and she claims to be having these issues again. And what she was describing to me sounded more like she may be living in a haunted house versus having sasquatch activity. So again,
I'm not a demonologist. I don't even play one on television, but that was sort of the thing that you know, through that lens I was telling her during the interview, it sounds like you may be experiencing something outside of Bigfoot. But you're right that in sort of you know, I grew up in the church and that was anytime that anything like that happened to people
in and around that area, because I would hear stories. My great grandmother and my great grandfather was telling me stories about these gen sing hunters that were being ran off the mountain and sometimes they called them devils or mountain devils or whatever. So it was this that sort of lens that in the southern Baptist area that I lived in is how people saw that. But you know, in retrospect, knowing what I know now, I believe it was possibly a
big foot. I don't know, Yeah, I mean this has been thought for a long time that you know, settlers and whatnot running across sasquatches or whether they saw them or not, they would be very frightened at whatever it is, just like you were as young as young boy there and of course they'd come back and say this thing I saw this saying red eyes or yelled at me or I felt crazy, it felt weird, and you know,
or it was an eight foot hairy thing. The local folks, you know, would say, oh, that's that's the devil, that's a demon, and the automatically go to the superstition, the superstitious explanations, rather than some sort of animal, which which these things are anyway, So that doesn't surprise me at all that it's kind of like what you were saying. It was like, well, that lady may not have sasquatches, maybe something else going on. It goes the other way too, that's a two way street.
That's what made me think of that. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree. So you mentioned that your house was haunted. This is Bigfoot and beyond, and despite what people think of me, I am interested in ghost stories. I don't don't I'm not going to research that stuff, and my life is full of Bigfoot. But what was going on in your house at the time, Well, it was really strange things. I've talked about this on the other shows before, and I'm almost leary to say it, but I
was hearing voices in the house. That's kind of how it started, the same voices. Could you recognize him? No, it was very I don't know how to describe it other than demonic sounding. You know. It was like that whisper. You know, you can hear the whisper, but you can't ever make out what it's saying to you. And I was hearing scratching on the walls and banging inside the walls, and we had very thin walls. Like where my bedroom was, the back window faced out to the woods,
and there was nothing out there on the other side. There wasn't, you know, like another room that this could be happening in, right, But I was starting to hear those things, and a couple of times I woke up to a dark figure standing over my bed. And I've done a lot of research on this. You know, I'm one of those Okham's razor kind of guys. I'm no nonsense, it's show me the evidence kind of you know. My cop brain kicks in and I say, could it have
been night terrors? Sure, it certainly could have been in retrospect, but it didn't feel like it. And I still have this moment where I'm pretty sure that what I was seeing was real because I was awake. Like I would wake up see this thing, it would move off, and then I would end up grabbing some covers and going into my parents' bedroom and sleeping on their floor. I mean this went on for months. They would wake up and find me at the foot of their bed, sleeping in the room because
I wouldn't sleep in my room. So and like I said, there was a lot of things going on that was sort of if you're into that sort of thing and you do any cursory research, you know, they say, you know, pre pubescent boys, which I was twelve thirteen. There was, you know, a lot of turmoil going on in the house. My parents were going through issues. My dad was dealing with drugs and alcohol abuse, and there was just this whole, like just tumultuous thing going on.
And you know, I don't know, they say that that kind of energy may thrive on that stuff. I don't know, but my dad also I figured out later. Again, now keep in mind, this guy liked alcohol and he was on downers most of the time, so I take this with a grain of salt. But he was also he confided in my mom later on that he would be there sometimes by himself when she would be gone, I'd be at school, whatever, and he was having interactions with something where
he would hear voices and things like that. So I wasn't the only one that was experiencing this kind of stuff. And we had the history of the people that lived in the house that was kind of well known. In a very small town like our town was like this literally a caution light. That was it. Caution light in a couple of stops signs, and that was it. So everybody knew everybody's business. And these guys were pretty well known
as as far as dabbling in that kind of stuff. And they lived in the house for a couple of years before we got there, So I don't know, but that was, you know, this weird, weird stuff going on. And then you know, once we moved out of the house after a couple of years, it stopped. It didn't follow me. So I don't know. Wold. Well, I guess we can all be thankful that most of us can be thankful that's not happening to us. Yeah, it's not a good thing, that's for sure. Boy, I gotta ask you
said you were having bands and stuff like that. What kind of music do you like? I know it's a side thing, but I gotta know, I love all kinds of music, but I love country music. I was born and raised on country music. I sang country music. Still do like the classic like the good stuff, the classic stuff or the new stuff. I just made a bunch of enemies by the way out there, but I did it on purpose. So well, I'm probably going to join you in
that because I don't get into a lot of the new country stuff. It's horrible. Yeah, I'm definitely like Johnny Cash old school. You know. I did listen to Garth Brooks, you know, at Garth Brooks. I was a huge fan of Garth when he came out. But you know, Alan Jackson, just the old school country is. Charlie Daniel's band was some of my favorite stuff growing up. Hank Williams Junior, Hank Williams Senior. But music, you know things, I was doing that at sixteen, and
you know, I almost signed a record deal when I was sixteen. But you know, life happens. Like I said, we were poor, so I had to go to work. It's always about work and helping my mom. What's my dad and my mom divorced. I was at work most of the time. So music sort of fell by the wayside, and I've only gotten back into it, you know, in my adult life. I got to go to Tennessee about six or eight years ago, and I did a small album, like a little EP album, and had had some really good
times up there. But I don't get to do music as much as I would love to because I'm constantly podcasting at this point. There we were on the air, and when we were on that radio and Nashville, when we were doing that talking to witnesses on the nash and I was talking tons of smack about new country, how lam it was, and I said, like, I think, like George, what was that Georgia state line or Florida state line or whatever. Georgia said those guys and like lady Anna Bella,
and I'm like, I can't stand that stuff. And yeah, they said they got a couple of calls on like screw that guy. I remember the operators, they got some calls like that. I remember one of your first comments about you meeting Derek Randalls, like I don't know about this guy with the big truck listening to modern country, but it turns out he's Okay, of course you drive a big truck. Anyway, Let's get back to the big foot things. So you bought this property with forty acres of property and
hopes that sasquatches maybe around there, and it turns out they are. You showed me some very impressive sasquatch footprints. As far as I can tell tell us about the activity that's been on or near your property that you're aware of. Yeah, the weirdest thing is when we came up here for we came up from a from Georgia for a one day land sale and we weren't even
expecting to buy anything. We've just seen the property online and had some you know, they did some drone shots that made it look all pretty and great and fabulous, and we came up and we fell in love with the property that we initially bought that day. We bought the first twenty acres on the first day, and we didn't get up here for a couple of years.
After that. We'd make trips back and forth, and we had an old Volkswagen van Volkswagen bus sorry Volkswagen bus that we would camp in and just enjoy the property. And then the property next to us came open and we bought another twenty acres and we finally got up here. I guess it was around twenty nineteen. Maybe we were fancying ourselves that we were going to build our
own house, or at least convert our own house. So we found a local place here that had a it's basically a shit It's like forty feet long and about fourteen feet wide with a big sleeping loft in it, and we were going to live off grid and convert this into our house. Well, we did live off grid here for about a year and a half with nothing but solar, no running water. It was one of the best years of my life. I loved it, but I'm not a carpenter. We didn't
have the skills to do that. So we eventually found a place here locally that would build us a tiny house. So we had a four hundred square foot tiny house built, and we eventually got up here full time just a couple of years ago. And during the trips that we would take, we would go out and do night hikes and we would spend a couple of days on the property, but were never here for an extended amount of time.
And even the year that we lived off grid, I heard some weird things in the woods, but it wasn't anything that really stood out to me as possible Bigfoot activity. That didn't start literally until about two years ago. And the first time that had happened, we had a hot tub right off of our deck and we were out. You know, it's like midnight and it's
like a cool fall evening you know, fifty degrees. We're in the hot tub having a glass of wine and I hear what sounds like the Ohio howel like on the ridge behind us. Now we're surrounded by nothing but land. There's no neighbors than a half a mile of us, and behind us is another two hundred and fifty to three hundred acres of just woods that is over the ridge behind where our property stops. And that's where the sound was coming from. And I'm like, that is really strange. Did you don't know
how it was at the time. I did. I'd heard it. I'd heard it because I'd started the show at this point and I'd done some research and I'd heard that on the internet whatever. I'd looked it up and heard some of the sounds I'd had run more hit on. We'd talked about the Sierra sounds, and I'd had some folks here from the Yure National Forest nearby who had recorded. Julie Ranch had recorded a bunch of things, and nothing
really sounded like that. But it did sound closer to the Ohio how than anything i'd heard, and it was really far off there, right, It was probably a mile mile and a half away, So that happened a couple of times, and I just kind of chalked it up to, you know, that's weird. You know, it could have been a maybe it was a coyote, maybe as a wolf. I don't know, but I had
done in episode of the show. I'd had an interview one night and it was pretty late and we're up in the loft getting ready winded down and writing down some show notes whatever. It's about fifty degrees outside, so we slept with the windows open, and I opened up all the windows around the bed and just chilling, and probably fifty yards into the woods next to the house, I hear what sounds like the Ohio, Ohio with a bark on the end, like this little or at the end. I'm not gonna lie,
like it really scared me and I felt it. I mean it was so loud we felt it. It had to be forty fifty yards away. And like, did you hear that? Yeah? I heard that. What do you think that was? I don't know, what do you think? You know? So we're going through this and again a man comes razor right, I'm like, you know, it's probably you know, I don't know. I didn't know what it was. So that was really the closest thing that happened. And then we didn't have any activity for a while. You know,
I was talking to Doug. I'd called Doug Hichecks some and I'd tell him about some of the things that were going on, and he's likely if you heard wood knocks, No, do you have property? Do you have water on your property? Yes, there's two creeks that runs the entire length of the property. We start going down, you know, and he's like, it sounds like you may have some activity and I'm like, yeah,
I don't know. I haven't seen anything, you know. So fast forward, just like literally a month ago, I had taken some time off from the show and we went on a hike and went to a different area of the property that we had never hiked before. And I wasn't even going to take my phone. I was literally just doing nothing big foot. It was just get out in the woods, clear my mind, and it was just
Danny and I getting out into the woods, getting away. Yeah, so I didn't want to bring my phone out, but I eventually grabbed it before we went out into the woods, and I'm glad I did because we really started finding some weird stuff. I was finding what looked like structures and just
weird things that were kind of sticking out to me. And I get to this certain point where this a little dry creek bed had a little bit of water in it, still standing, and I went to cross over it and I looked down and I see what looks like this footprint, And it immediately jumped out to me like, oh, it's paradolia, right, It's just it looks like a footprint the way the waters glistening or whatever. So I stopped, I'm gonna that'll be a cool picture. I'm gonna take my picture,
take my phone out and take a picture of it. And I did. And as I got down to take the picture, I got closer and I saw what looked like five toes. And then I looked closer and it looked like the toes had sunk in a little further in the front than what looked like the back of the foot. And so I snapped a couple of more pictures, and then he was like, let's move on, let's go.
So I just moved on from it, and then we went on and found I took a bunch of pictures that day of full crumb type structures and things that just stuck out to me in the wood. So and I really didn't think much about the footprint until I got back and I sent it to a couple of people I sent it. I texted it to Doug high Check and he looked at it and he said, dude, that looks like a footprint. I'm like, well, And then it started raining because we'd had
rained up before that, so it rained for like three more days. I couldn't get back to it to cast it. I knew it was gone, but at least I had the couple of pictures I had taken of it. And then just I don't know, maybe two days after that. I'd never heard a tree knock on the property or anything that you'd resembled a tree knock.
And I got up at like three in the morning to go out on the porch and do what guys do who live in the woods at three in the morning, and I hear what sounds like four power knocks back up on top of the ridge behind the house. Three in the morning. In Lenor, North Carolina, there's nobody up doing construction, and they roll up the sidewalks in downtown so I don't know what it could have been. It sounded to me like, like I said, what people describe as power knocks,
and then I don't know. We passed forward to about a week and a half after that. I'm walking the dogs around our regular trail around the property and a trail that we had walked just the night before after their evening feeding. There looked like smack dab in the middle of this muddy spot was a footprint, just one. There was only one, the proverbial one footprint, So you know, I casted it and the cast turned out pretty well.
I was actually going to try to bring it to Idaho for you to look at Cliff and Meldrum to take a look at when we were out there, but I put it out on my porch to dry, and I don't know, two days into the drying process, it's in a box sitting outside on the porch. One of our chickens flies up on the porch and knocks the box over and cracks it in three places. So it's been a comedy of ears. But I did put it back together because I'm going to try to
make up sort of a reproduction of it with a mother mold. But it's definitely got five toes and it's about fourteen inches long and about seven and a half inches wide at its widest point. So I don't know. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages. Literally on Monday, I had some neighbors that are about a half a mile away invited us over for a hike because they were in town
for the holiday. So we go over and we've never hiked their property before. They have. I think it's ten acres that goes up to the back of the ridge on the other side of our road, and I find some of the strangest structures and weird bent trees and a big teepee structure. I posted it on my Sasquatch Odo see Instagram for folks to take a look at if you want to look at that. I've never seen anything like it, and it's clearly not a natural occurrence. Something has put those things in that
it looks like a tepee around this big tree. Did you find a turtle shell or something? I did? Actually, yeah, I'm glad you said that. I kind of skipped over that, but that was one of the
first things that happened is along that path where we walk the dogs. That's the first thing that happened was this bleached white turtle shell is upside down and stuck into the side of this old rotting cedar log It's a cedar stump, and it it started the whole ball rolling with me trying to gift, which I've never really kind of given too much credit, honestly, I just I don't know about the whole gifting thing, but you know, I had some
things, take a couple of jars a sunbutter off the stump and never had anything left there, but things have been taken. But we have some really big raccoons here, so it was more than likely a raccoon. But yeah, that was sort of the first thing that happened. And then you know
the footprints that I was back up on the ridge casting yesterday. So the cast didn't turn out too great, It wasn't very The substrate here is really hard, it hasn't rained and probably a week and a half so just for there to be an imprint of what looks like a huge toe in one of the prints. And this was a series of two that I found going down the side of this ridge and casting on an incline was not easy to do yesterday, but I did get a couple of casts of those. And that's
like I said, it's about half a mile away from my property. So I don't know some interesting things. Man, I never say definitively, you know it is what it is, but I don't know it's weird stuff. Well, it seems like this is a good time to interject that idea that I've brought up a few times on the podcast, and it's just something to remind ourselves, as you know bigfoot aficionados, is that the casts very often
don't turn out. That's why I'm really emphasizing everybody not only documents their fines or possible footbard fines with casts, but also with photographs. Over the years, I find that sometimes they photograph far better than they turn out in the cast, and then vice versa. Sometimes you can't see what's going on in the photograph or even with your eyes at the time, but you know something's there. You pour plaster and it kind of comes to light in a way.
And like the data also, it's almost like the data is skewed by all these wonderful photographs and casts. That other people have obtained over the years, you know, the Patterson stuff or the tipmus stuff, or the Freeman's stuff for the Shay stuff. Like all these researchers who have been out and casting the best prints they could find, makes us think that our footprint casts
should also look like that, but they simply don't. If you're out there doing your diligent work as a researcher and casting examples of every track way you find and choosing the best ones out of that or the worst ones out of that, whicheverone might show the most information and insight into the way that these things walk around, you're going to have a lot of ugly casts in your collection, casts that, as I say, only a mother can love.
So for you, Brian, anybody else listening, is I don't beat yourself up about not having a good looking cast, because most casts aren't going to look good if they're real. You know, that's something we need to remember. The photographs in the books and what we see online and things like that, they skew our perception of what the footprint cast will eventually look like.
So good on you for collecting the ugly ones too well. I appreciate that because I've for the ugliest cast that I think I've ever seen in my life taken, but they're staying in my collection. They are I say it all the time on my show. Everything is data. So I want to create as much data as I possibly can, because you know, we may look back on it in a year or two or five and say, Wow, I'm glad I did that. So I'm going to continue to collect whatever I
find. Oh yeah, I mean the information from the nineteen sixties and Bluff Creek. Some of that information has been looked at very closely in the last twenty years, and things have been learned about those casts, for example, or the Freeman stuff. You know, a lot of those the stuff that Freeman was collecting, he didn't recognize that he was casting the same individuals, and neither did West Summerlin or Grover Crans for that matter. Grover actually had
suspicions about some of it. But they give they gave different names to different creatures, and some of those names, like Earl, for example, is a name that they gave to one of these creatures that they continually cast, that is rinklefoot, and they gave that an animal a different name. So wrinklefoot is earl at which who is the what do they call the buckskin individual?
That's what West Summerland called him. Yeah, so all these animals who they thought were different creatures were actually the same individual being seen again and again over time. So that's the great thing about data. It doesn't go away once you collect it. Once you have it, it's there forever and it could be analyzed with new eyes as new information comes to light. So you're absolutely right in that perspective. So a lot of stuf's been going on on
your property or near your property. I guess have you gotten to other parts of the country and done any research, and if so, what have you found interesting and or similar or different, you know, in the various parts of the country. I haven't gotten to go out in the woods. I did go out in the woods in Tennessee last year. I went up to speak at a gathering up there last year and we got out in the woods that night. Didn't really find anything. Heard some really cool coyote howls and
things like that. But I'm actually I have the opportunity. I'm going up in October. I'm going up to BC and the Radium area to do research with Todd standing in the beginning of October. So I'm excited about that trip.
I've been looking forward to that for a while, and I know he's a very controversial figure in the big Foot community, but I'm looking forward to that trip because i want to get up there's I've interviewed tons of people who have been on expeditions with Todd and some of the things that they're claiming to find is phenomenal, you know. And I've actually had Todd on the show
and talked about that as well. But I've always had issues. I've been very forthcoming about my issues with his videos, but the footprints and the other things that have been found up there, you know. And I even got to talk to doctor Meldron when we were in Idaho about his time up there, and some of the things that he saw convinced him that it's it's very possible there's some activity going on. So I'm definitely looking forward to that trip
in October. He's a great spot. There's definitely squatches there. Yeah. Ken Walker. I think told Bendernoggle about if it's the same spot ken Walker, who we've had on the show that taxit are the same, Yeah, heard about this spot from one of his trappers, and then he told Bendernoggle. Benner Nouggles told Standing when Standing, I guess approached him, I guess this is how I've heard it happened. I don't know if that's true or
not about the spot. So they're working a good spot. It's just you know, we had we had Todd Standing on the show on the Finding big Foot. I don't think his films are real. I mean just my opinion, of course, but but he was a very nice guy. I'll give him that. Like, I'd like the guy the individual. I just didn't think, like those those space shots are real or anything like that. But
who knows. You know, if he's working a spot and getting good results, you know, fine with me. I'd like to see some of the footprint cast, so those would be most convincing. Yeah, I'm definitely going
to try to take some casting material. I've got some audio stuff i'm gonna take for the trip, and I'm gonna try to get some videos and do some interviews while i'm there with I think it's just going to be me and Todd and maybe Kyle that go out, So there's only going to be a small number of us, so there's not gonna be a whole lot going on
other than what we're doing. So I'm definitely looking forward to it. So you've had him on the show a couple of times or once at least, right, Yes, yeah, yeah, generally nice guy, right or he certainly puts forth a good face. I'll say that, like he sings sings of good songs. He seems to know something about sasquatch behavior or in general. So what has he been doing lately? I've I haven't heard anything since like he put out you know that thing with Meldrum and bender Noggle is.
So he's running trips now, is that right? Yeah, he's been. He's been doing that for a while, and he's he's working on a second documentary. I know they've been filming for that for quite a while. I don't know when that's supposed to come out, but I know he's been putting that together at least that's what he told me for quite some time. And he is doing you know, during the summer, he's doing quite a few
expeditions pretty much a couple of months. I think that he has a ton of people going out with him, so you know, again, I'm with you. I had him on the show. Very nice guy, you know, I just don't believe the videos are real. And the only reason he came on my show, because I've called him out as a hoax or for years, was me having less Strout on the show once I had survived overman On and we actually talked about Todd because he had spent time with Todd in
his research area. Then Todd decided he would come on the show, and to his credit, he defended himself and he answered the questions that I had. I had some tough questions about it. I think the thing for me with his films has always been what happened before that, what happened after that, what happened leading up to that, And I'm certainly wanting to have that conversation with him face to face. You know, he may tell me to go pound Sam, but I'm definitely going to ask the questions when I get
up there, because I would love for them to be real. I'm just not sure that they are. But I've never doubted that he's had experiences and that he's in an area. I too, have had Ken Walker on the show, and Ken had talked about that area and all the sightings that have happened in that area. So I believe just like you and Bobbo said, I think he's in a great area. I think he's probably having and maybe even continues to have experiences. I'm just not sure. You know about the
videos that he purports to be Sasquatch. When I met him, I'm fighting Bigfoot. He invited me to go to a spot with him, but he also told me that in order to get there, I have to crawl through ice cold water wearing a gilly suit for three days in order to get there, which seemed like a really nice way to make sure I wouldn't do it. But yeah, that's just my take on it. Maybe he's right, Maybe that's what you have to do, and that's why I happened to.
You know, I have better results, I guess, but I don't know. If I hope you get some good stuff. It would be nice to see some good evidence come out of any of these areas. Certainly, and god knows, we get asked about Todd Standing all the time. So but you know, if you want to know what we think about Todd Standing, you can watch the Finding big Foot episode that he's on. Well, Brian, you have God, you have more podcasts than I would wish upon anybody.
You must have heard just some crazy stories. I mean, especially in the true the True Crime podcast and Weird Encounters. I mean that kind of says it all. That says everything you need to know about the podcast. You must have had some ridiculous stories. If you can, you stick around for a member section so we can hear some of these ridiculous Well, and when I say ridiculous, I mean like wild out there sort of story,
not only about Sasquatches, but anything else that you've been running across. But whether it's a paranormal strange activity or true crime stuff or whatever. If you don't wouldn't mind sticking around for a member section, It would really really appreciate it. And we'll record that next. But in the meantime, Brian, where can people find you? I mean, go up, This is your time to shout your podcast for the mountaintop. And websites are in you know,
social media or whatever you want. Yeah, you can get Sasquatch Odyssey anywhere you're listening to this podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, you name it, it's there. All you got to do is punch in Sasquatch Odyssey, it'll pop up. You can head over to our website Paranormal World Productions dot com. You can see all the shows there. Check out all the host of the various shows. I'm not the only one on the network. Like I said, we are at of a couple of other podcasts that people host
that are a part of our network. So Paranormal Productions dot com and all the socials, Sasquatch Odyssey at as Sasquatch Odyssey on Instagram, as Sasquatch Odyssey podcast on TikTok, and we have a Squatch Odyssey podcast YouTube channel as well that I post stuff over. So that's about it. That's where anywhere you get podcasts, you could listen to the show. We put out a show. I'm doing three shows a week now typically, so tons of things.
I think we're about three hundred and forty or so episodes into the show. Okay, and a lot of those links are going to be in our show notes below for those people listening, ben us click on that stuff. Matt Prut makes it easy for you, all right. Well, with that, Brian, thanks so much for coming on Big Pot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo and we'll stand the line. Of course, we're gonna go over to
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